framing-velum-msg - 4/4/01
਀ഊInstructions and precautions on framing pieces of vellum and parchment.
਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: parchment-msg, mailng-scrols-msg, calligraphy-msg, bookbinding-msg, inks-msg, paper-msg, seals-msg, writing-desks-msg.
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਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ
਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous
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਀ഊDate: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:41:18 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀愀爀椀愀渀 㰀洀愀爀椀愀渀爀 愀琀 眀愀猀栀挀漀氀氀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䘀爀愀洀椀渀最 嘀攀氀氀甀洀ഊ
਀圀椀琀栀漀甀琀 最漀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 最爀攀愀琀 搀攀琀愀椀氀 漀昀 栀漀眀 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀洀 ⠀愀渀搀 䤀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 搀漀ഊneed to ask my dad when he got them) I found two pieces of music written
਀漀渀 瘀攀氀氀甀洀Ⰰ 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀㐀⸀㔀∀ 戀礀 ㈀㈀∀ 搀漀甀戀氀攀 猀椀搀攀搀Ⰰ 渀漀渀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 洀甀猀椀挀愀氀 渀漀琀愀琀椀漀渀ഊ(not being a musician all I can say is not modern I can't date the type
਀漀昀 渀漀琀愀琀椀漀渀⤀ 愀渀搀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 琀眀漀 猀栀攀攀琀猀 昀漀甀爀 洀甀氀琀椀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀ഊcapitals stored under ridiculously poor conditions.
਀ഊI'm probably going to follow the recommendation of the framing store
਀攀洀瀀氀漀礀攀攀 愀渀搀 樀甀猀琀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀 猀琀漀爀愀最攀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀 昀漀爀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 猀愀昀攀ഊand sound since the proper way of framing sounds a bit out of my budget
਀⠀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 昀爀愀洀椀渀最 猀琀漀爀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 猀漀爀琀 眀栀漀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀攀琀 洀攀 瀀愀礀 漀渀 愀ഊweekly basis so it might not be totally out of my budget).
਀ഊThe suggested proper way is shaded conservator's glass, and matting on
਀戀漀琀栀 猀椀搀攀猀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 琀栀攀 瘀攀氀氀甀洀 昀爀漀洀 琀漀甀挀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀 昀爀愀洀攀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 挀漀洀椀渀最ഊin and having a long discussion with the head framer about what to do
਀愀戀漀甀琀 渀漀琀 戀攀椀渀最 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 甀猀攀 最氀甀攀⸀ഊ
਀匀漀Ⰰ 䤀✀洀 愀猀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀 愀爀琀椀猀愀渀猀 愀渀搀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀漀爀猀 漀渀 栀攀爀攀 眀栀漀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀ഊthis sort of thing before or who know someone who may have:
਀ഊ"If you encounted some ancient pieces of vellum with writing on both
਀猀椀搀攀猀Ⰰ 栀漀眀 眀漀甀氀搀 礀漀甀 最漀 愀戀漀甀琀 昀爀愀洀椀渀最 椀琀㼀∀ഊ
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਀ഊFrom: David Razler <david.razler at worldnet.att.net>
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Framing Vellum
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㐀 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㜀㨀㐀㜀㨀㈀㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊ
਀伀渀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㈀ 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㈀㨀㐀㄀㨀㄀㠀 ⴀ　㔀　　Ⰰ 䴀愀爀椀愀渀 㰀洀愀爀椀愀渀爀 愀琀 眀愀猀栀挀漀氀氀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊwrote:
਀㸀圀椀琀栀漀甀琀 最漀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 最爀攀愀琀 搀攀琀愀椀氀 漀昀 栀漀眀 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀洀 ⠀愀渀搀 䤀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 搀漀ഊ>need to ask my dad when he got them) I found two pieces of music written
਀㸀漀渀 瘀攀氀氀甀洀Ⰰ 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀㐀⸀㔀∀ 戀礀 ㈀㈀∀ 搀漀甀戀氀攀 猀椀搀攀搀Ⰰ 渀漀渀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 洀甀猀椀挀愀氀 渀漀琀愀琀椀漀渀ഊ>(not being a musician all I can say is not modern I can't date the type
਀㸀漀昀 渀漀琀愀琀椀漀渀⤀ 愀渀搀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 琀眀漀 猀栀攀攀琀猀 昀漀甀爀 洀甀氀琀椀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀ഊ>capitals stored under ridiculously poor conditions.
਀㸀ഊ>I'm probably going to follow the recommendation of the framing store
਀㸀攀洀瀀氀漀礀攀攀 愀渀搀 樀甀猀琀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀 猀琀漀爀愀最攀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀 昀漀爀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 猀愀昀攀ഊ>and sound since the proper way of framing sounds a bit out of my budget
਀㸀⠀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 昀爀愀洀椀渀最 猀琀漀爀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 猀漀爀琀 眀栀漀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀攀琀 洀攀 瀀愀礀 漀渀 愀ഊ>weekly basis so it might not be totally out of my budget).
਀ഊDON'T (sorry for the shout)
਀ഊFor the best info on framing old vellum, or any other material call:
਀ഊConservation Resources International (conservators to Colonial
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਀吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 䈀䔀匀吀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 漀昀 戀漀琀栀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 猀甀瀀瀀氀椀攀猀ഊFramers don't always know what they think they do.
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 倀栀礀氀氀椀猀 䜀椀氀洀漀爀攀 㰀最椀氀洀漀爀攀 愀琀 爀愀渀搀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䘀爀愀洀椀渀最 嘀攀氀氀甀洀ഊDate: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:44:15 -0800
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 刀䄀一䐀ഊ
਀䈀爀甀挀椀愀渀渀愀 搀椀 刀漀猀攀渀欀愀瘀愀氀椀攀爀愀 㰀戀爀甀挀椀愀渀渀愀 愀琀 洀椀渀搀猀瀀爀椀渀最⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> I have now talked with the head framer who, this being a somewhat
਀㸀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 琀漀眀渀 眀椀琀栀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 爀椀挀栀 漀氀搀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 ⠀眀栀漀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 爀攀琀椀爀攀 栀攀爀攀⤀ഊ> actually has some experience working with such stuff and for $120 apiece
਀㸀 䤀✀洀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 昀爀愀洀攀搀⸀  䤀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 椀洀瀀爀攀猀猀攀搀 戀礀 栀漀眀 洀甀挀栀 琀栀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀ഊ> there (versus, say the people at the place near my parents) know about
਀㸀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 搀漀椀渀最⸀ഊ
਀䤀 琀漀漀欀 洀礀 漀眀渀 瘀攀氀氀甀洀 瀀愀最攀 ⠀氀椀戀攀爀愀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 愀 戀漀漀欀猀琀愀氀氀 戀攀猀椀搀攀 琀栀攀 匀攀椀渀攀 ഊin Paris) to a local framer who was *reputed* to be well versed in 
਀欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 琀栀攀 匀洀椀琀栀猀漀渀椀愀渀 䤀渀猀琀椀琀甀椀漀渀 栀愀瀀瀀礀 ⠀夀䴀䴀嘀⤀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 挀栀漀猀攀 愀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 攀氀愀戀漀爀愀琀攀 昀爀愀洀攀 ⨀愀渀搀⨀ 栀愀搀 最氀愀猀猀 瀀甀琀 漀渀 ⨀戀漀琀栀⨀ 猀椀搀攀猀 ഊ(the best side goes "out," but you can still see the back).  The framing 
਀椀猀 搀漀渀攀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 瘀攀氀氀甀洀 挀愀渀 ∀戀爀攀愀琀栀Ⰰ∀ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 最氀愀猀猀 椀猀 渀漀渀爀攀昀氀攀挀琀椀瘀攀⸀  ഊThe bill ran over $800.  The result is also very heavy, making for 
਀椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 栀愀渀最椀渀最 氀漀最椀猀琀椀挀猀⸀ഊ
਀一漀琀 戀愀搀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀 瀀愀椀搀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 ␀㘀　 昀漀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 ഊplace . . . 
਀ഊPhilippa
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀愀瘀椀搀 刀愀稀氀攀爀 㰀搀愀瘀椀搀⸀爀愀稀氀攀爀 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀渀攀琀⸀愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䘀爀愀洀椀渀最 嘀攀氀氀甀洀ഊDate: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:16:31 GMT
਀ഊOn Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:44:15 -0800, Phyllis Gilmore <gilmore at rand.org>
਀眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>in Paris) to a local framer who was *reputed* to be well versed in 
਀㸀欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 琀栀攀 匀洀椀琀栀猀漀渀椀愀渀 䤀渀猀琀椀琀甀椀漀渀 栀愀瀀瀀礀 ⠀夀䴀䴀嘀⤀⸀ഊ>
਀㸀䤀 挀栀漀猀攀 愀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 攀氀愀戀漀爀愀琀攀 昀爀愀洀攀 ⨀愀渀搀⨀ 栀愀搀 最氀愀猀猀 瀀甀琀 漀渀 ⨀戀漀琀栀⨀ 猀椀搀攀猀 ഊ>(the best side goes "out," but you can still see the back).  The framing 
਀㸀椀猀 搀漀渀攀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 瘀攀氀氀甀洀 挀愀渀 ∀戀爀攀愀琀栀Ⰰ∀ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 最氀愀猀猀 椀猀 渀漀渀爀攀昀氀攀挀琀椀瘀攀⸀  ഊ>The bill ran over $800.  The result is also very heavy, making for 
਀㸀椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 栀愀渀最椀渀最 氀漀最椀猀琀椀挀猀⸀ഊ>
਀㸀一漀琀 戀愀搀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀 瀀愀椀搀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 ␀㘀　 昀漀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 ഊ>place . . . 
਀㸀ഊ>Philippa
਀ഊRather expensive, though I can see why you did it.
਀ഊI am *not* sure about letting vellum breathe - at that price,
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਀ഊBut my worry is what happens when vellum gradually ages (nowhere near
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਀ഊIf it produces a byproduct that is destructive, similar to lignan to
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਀ഊThe best matting and/or backing that would allow it to breathe and
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਀ഊ                                dmr
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