SCA-as-family-msg

SCA-as-family-msg – 7/10/05

Sometimes the SCA is like family.

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From: moore at mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Michael Moore/Peregrine the Illuminator)

Subject: Re: Death of Sir Angus Ulrych, Nordskogen

Organization: Baronial Colleges of Nordleigh, SCA

Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1993 13:38:08 GMT

In article <1993Jul04.160313.1040 at edsi.plexus.COM> grimmund at edsi.plexus.COM (Grimmund Blackwing) writes:

>Well Met, all.

> Ill news on the Rialto. I just got a call from one of the local

>Windhaveners who went to the Nordskogen Warlord Tourney.

> Sir Angus recently (Thursday?) suffered a brain annurism, and

>died Saturday. He will be greatly missed.

> I regret that I didn't know him well enogh to be able to tell

>the rest of you more about him. He was a fine man, always willing

>to help others.

> Grimmund Blackwing, Windhaven,

>Crown Principality of the Northshield, Middle Kingdom

>Usenet: grimmund at edsi.plexus.com

I was at Warlord. We found out over cellular telephone at Noon Saturday.

The torrential downpour fit our mood exactly.

I hear the wake was long and well-attended. Due to the tornado watches,

many of us chose to seek shelter.

The raffle/auction at the event raised $500 for Sue, (Ishebail is how

her name is pronounced in the SCA) his wife of three weeks. All those

wishing to be in the Northshield Encampment at Pennsic should contact Lady

Kira, Lord Saeric Scirham's wife (anyone have a mundane address), who is

also handling the donations for Sue.

Pardon my ramblings, but I think some people might want to know.

He was an example and a friend to us all. Sunday morning, Aramanthra held

a waffle breakfast in his honor (his tradition of many years), but no

syrup or other stuff was added: after all, no one can top Angus.

At the Northshield Fighting and Feasting Forum in Finis Terrae (and the

Principality formation), his home group asked "that Angus Ulrich be

elevated to the status of God... or at least a minor Deity...". Since

Church and State are separate in this land, King Finn was unable to comply,

and instead brought him into the order of the Dragons' tooth. His

willingness to help and his drive to serve are unmatched.

Requiescat in pacem, Angus.

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From: mwolfe at epas.utoronto.ca (Menya Wolfe)

Subject: Re: Death of Sir Angus Ulrych, Nordskogen

Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS

Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1993 16:32:09 GMT

In article <1993Jul04.160313.1040 at edsi.plexus.COM> grimmund at edsi.plexus.COM (Grimmund Blackwing) writes:

>Well Met, all.

> Ill news on the Rialto. I just got a call from one of the local

>Windhaveners who went to the Nordskogen Warlord Tourney.

> Sir Angus recently (Thursday?) suffered a brain annurism, and

>died Saturday. He will be greatly missed.

> I regret that I didn't know him well enogh to be abble to tell

>the rest of you more about him. He was a fine man, always willing

>to help others.

> Grimmund Blackwing, Windhaven,

>Crown Principality of the Northshield, Middle Kingdom

>Usenet: grimmund at edsi.plexus.com

I knew Angus slightly, and he was a good person and a worthy knight.

We met when Cariadoc asked me to be his dinner companion at a Grey

Gargoyles feast after he won the tournament, and we remained friends

through his knighthood, my laureling, and his engagement. I will

really miss seeing him at Pennsic, full of hugs and good cheer.

Rhiannon

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From: caa at c2s.mn.org (Charles Anderson)

Subject: Re: Death of Sir Angus Ulrych, Nordskogen

Organization: University of Minnesota

Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 15:25:56 GMT

In article <1993Jul5.133808.11369 at news.stolaf.edu> moore at mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Michael Moore/Peregrine the Illuminator) writes:

|In article <1993Jul04.160313.1040 at edsi.plexus.COM> grimmund at edsi.plexus.COM (Grimmund Blackwing) writes:

|>Well Met, all.

|> Ill news on the Rialto. I just got a call from one of the local

|>Windhaveners who went to the Nordskogen Warlord Tourney.

|> Sir Angus recently (Thursday?) suffered a brain annurism, and

|>died Saturday. He will be greatly missed.

The anuerism was a prexisting condition that was not known about, high

blood pressure, and the stress of closing on a house (which did not get

done, the well did not test out, it was to retested and closed on today.)

probably caused it to burst, causing a massive stroke, in the left frontal

lobe. He never regained consciousness.

|The raffle/auction at the event raised $500 for Sue, (Ishebail is how

|her name is pronounced in the SCA) his wife of three weeks.

I attended Angus and Iseabails wedding. He was a very happy man when he

died. The last count was over $800.

We built a very large bonfire in Angus's memory, he loved making BIG fires.

We danced and drank, and told stories of Agnus until the wee hours in the

morning. You had to love a man whose favorite penalty to dish out was

"Drink a beer".

-Dmitri (who writes this with a tear in his eye as he will greatly miss

a man he called a good friend.)

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From: tbarnes at silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes)

Subject: Re: handicapped

Organization: Indiana University

Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 23:58:02 GMT

In article <1993Aug30.225125.10239 at mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mchance at nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Chance) writes:

>Tibor wrote:

>>Dennis O'Connor wrote:

>> If you've been told "don't ever strain yourself", don't go to an SCA war.

>>I've been told that all the time, Dennis. Usually by friends, but

>>occasionally by my doctor. Had a great time at Pennsic anyway

>>(including water-bearing in the Woods: carried three gallons of water

>>there by foot, ran around for two hours, and walked home.)

>But Tibor, that can all be explained by the impromptu "Stations of the

>Cross" that you, me, and Lothar did after the St. Michael's Passage on

>Wednsday. Your miracle was no heart attack; mine was surviving the

>Field battle (fighting with Moonwulf's Rangers, who were supposed to

>occupy the entire left half of the Eastern army, wearing borrowed

>minimal Ansteorran armor and a big war heater shield) with only a

>banged up wrist.

>So, Lothar, what's your miracle?

Either A) I didn't get one because I made jokes about it, or B)

Coming home from Pennsic NOT sunburned, not burnt out, and with money in

my pockets. Or it could have been the fact that I didn't get lost once

on the way home (not even in Youngstown which usually confuses the Hell

out of me). This was offset by the fact that the alternator on my car

died outside of Dayton, in Godforsaken Nowhere Ohio on a Sunday night

with classes starting the next day. On the other hand, maybe the miracle

was that I had friends who were willing to drive 3 hours in the middle

of the night to rescue me, my lady, and our goods, then drive 3 hours

back to Bloomington Indiana.

I'm not sure.

Lothar \|/

From: corliss at hal.PHysics.wayne.EDU (David J. Corliss)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Royalty

Date: 2 Feb 1994 13:45:20 -0500

Organization: The Internet

Dennis writes:

]It's just a shame that our Kings and Queen will have to spend time on this

]issue (membership and ths BoD) instead of enjoying the War as they deserve to.

Certainly they deserve to enjoy the War, for by their dedication, unstinting

service, and extravagant expenditure, they make all possible for the rest of

us. Unfortunately, this is generally at the cost of enjoying the event

themselves, whatever the issues of the day. It simply goes with the job.

I have seen the Crown Prince of Meridies (I believe; this was at Pennsic years

ago) hurry with the rest of the guests from a party for the Royalty of the

Known World, because a storm was coming and he wanted to be sure that all his

people were well. I saw him later, in all his finery and having laid aside only

his Coronet, walking through the ensuing downpour. Soaked through, his clothes

ruined, he walked as if there were no rain, as only a man who long before had

been saturated may do. Still, he continued to check on the well being of his

people. It was the most noble thing I have ever seen in my time in this

Society.

At other times, I have seen Royalty hurrying through the night, while all else

were at parties, to find Ministers and try to avert a crisis. I literally seen

people drop from exhaustion in front of me. It is indeed a shame that they will

not be able to spend more time enjoying this event. It is simply my observation

that they rarely able to do so. We can only express our gratitude and, by such

service as we may give, lighten the burden somewhat.

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From: MCNUTT at gateway.ce.utk.edu (Bill McNutt)

Subject: Re: Orphans and the SCA!?

Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education

Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 20:34:56 GMT

Warning! The attached post contains and Original Thought. Exposure to an

Original Thought can lead to Critical Thinking. If you have not signed the

new new waiver or filed a consent form, please be aware that you read here at

your own risk.

In article <bubba.770840810 at skynet.ludd.luth.se> bubba at ludd.luth.se (U.J|rgen

hman) writes:>In <1994Jun1.041639.1 at aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca at aurora.alaska.edu

writes:

>>Question, strange that it may be, please forgive..

>>Is their any cases of SCA Orphans? Namely children of SCA members whose parents

>>have passed beyond to the Torney in the Sky (or other place of choice?) and

>>left their children behind as orphans, and how does the SCA handle it?

>But as everybody says, _we're_famous_but_not_a_cult_... so I guess the state

>has to deal with orphans and such things.

Actually, while we may not be a cult, we are a community.

(Hang on folks. Most of you have seen this before, but it's the only original

thought I've had in 20 years. Blame television. Anyway, I think it makes

sense, and I'm proud of it.)

This really only applies to the American SCA, but by and large, we are a

mobile society. One of the reasons why and SCA generation is reputed to be so

short is that so many of us move away. Man, by nature, is a pack/tribal

animal, who only thrives within a community. Now, a intelligent people, we

can make do and get by surrounded by strangers, but most of us are not happy

alone. And a small family group isn't enough to provide that. With the

increase in geographic mobility, the old-fashioned neighborhood and small down

break up, and people begin to look elsewhere for a community to be a part of.

For many people, the SCA is that community. There they find friendship,

companionship, and a sense of belonging. In my 10+ years as a Scadian, I have

seen marriages, divorces, "barn-raisings," and house-warmings. I have sat

with household members through childbirth, and I have set an empty place at

feast in remembrance as well.

Last boarder raids I bought a raffle ticket to help a shire raise a college

fund for two member's children who had been orphaned in a traffic accident.

I've seen children fostered and criminals cast out.

To answer the original question, the SCA, Inc does not address the social

needs of the membership at large, and should not. (If it did, we'd need

another waiver, eh?) But the membership, more and more, is acting as a social

support web for each other. Whether orphans are addressed depends entirely on

the local group. Most groups have yet to need to address tragedy at that

level of magnitude.

This is also why, IMHO, people get so bent about precedence, banners, and

circlets. This issue isn't really who gets to wear what circlet, or carry

what banner, but what are the rules and mores of our society, and who gets to

define them.

I am not a sociologist, and I don't play one on TV. Not available in some

stores. Don't try this at home. Your miliage may vary.

From: locksley at indirect.com (Joe Bethancourt)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Hall Of Memories of the Fallen?

Date: 18 Aug 1994 06:31:13 GMT

Organization: Internet Direct, Inc.

nsmca at aurora.alaska.edu wrote:

: Does the SCA/Society have a hall of memories, a place for the names, and

: devices of the fallen (true death, not SCA death) can be displayed, stored,

: and recorded?

: Kenit McGregor, Haus Leibenstern Prester/Archivist.

Actually, I dare say that most Kingdoms' Orders of Precedence have a little

listing (ours does) after the name ..... something like

Dale the Small, KSCA (dscd)

Though nothing can match the story of the Queen of Atenveldt who died in

a car wreck......and -all- the roses available in her home state of Utah

were at the funeral. Roses had to be shipped in from neighboring states.

You literally could not see the chapel for the roses.

"There were no Roses in Artemesia."

locksley at indirect.com PO Box 35190 Locksley Plot Systems

White Tree Productions Phoenix, AZ 85069 USA CyberMongol Ltd

From: locksley at indirect.com (Joe Bethancourt)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Legends can get out of hand

Date: 22 Aug 1994 15:44:37 GMT

Organization: Internet Direct, Inc.

Dorothy J Heydt (djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu) wrote:

: (Hal posting from Dorothy's account...)

: In article <940820074935.b975 at alpha.nsula.edu>,

: <NSRIZ9923 at alpha.nsula.EDU> wrote:

: >sombody better than you out there. That most of the SCA urban legends may

: >have a shreed of truth in them, the real incident probably is a lot smaller

: >than how it is told. our fighting abilities give us several advantages in

: >the real world but often they fail to help us get out of true tight situations.

: >Especially those situations where it is not worth our lives to defend.

: As Kingdom Constable, I have always advised those in my Office

: that if they think they need weapons to handle a Situation, call

: a cop.

There has been much discussion about it....and the general opinion seems

to be that the SCA folks tend to "be heroes." It has happened before, and

it will happen again, as witness many of our Urban Legends.

Unfortunately, Conn ran into the kind of Mad Dog that you discuss leter

in your post. I'll be posting another news article on the killing in a

couple of days that sheds a gret deal of light on the incident.

: Second, there is what I call the "Mad Dog" reason. If the guilty

: party is just too dangerous (or too crazy) to ever risk letting

: loose it can be seen a a mercy killing--for both the person

: executed and for society as a whole.

All indications are that the person who actually wielded the knife is

the Mad Dog type. I am told that the County Attny. is seeking murder one

on all four, tho this is second-hand info.

Gentles.....please....let us all take this as a lesson.

The funeral was held yesterday, in Tucson, and his mother and family were

astounded at the number of SCA people that attended. We filled, and

overflowed, the chapel....and his family was amazed at the different

kinds of people there, from wealthy to poverty-stricken students, from

rocknrollies to ministers.

Perhaps the most emotional moment of the service was when Duchess Larissa

announced that she and her husband, Count Elric ap Moray, are naming their

unborn child after their friend, Conn.

locksley at indirect.com PO Box 35190 Locksley Plot Systems

White Tree Productions Phoenix, AZ 85069 USA CyberMongol Ltd

From: spydrec at aol.com (SpydreC)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: YKYITSCAW

Date: 10 Apr 1995 14:23:16 -0400

Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)

Off subject just a little but...

>Now I know I'm in SCA-- the other day, while traveling home from

>work on the freeway, I observed someone in process of removing the

>spare tire from their GM four door sedan trunk. The floor piece>

was removed and leaning against the car- its shape roughly two sides

>perpendicular to one edge, the lower edge a semi-circle. And my

>first thought was "Why would anyone put a 6 inch diameter hole in the

>middle of their shield?"

>Shlomo Korobeinik

> Russian Caravan Trad

After Estrella this year, a number of Westies had problems when coming

home. I know that at least two folks, upon having car trouble, immediately

put out their sheilds behind the car. Within 30 minutes both had been

assisted by fellow Scadians. Others I know of who also had car trouble,

but did not put out a sheild, device etc. were in for much longer delays.

SOOOOOOOO......

"You know you've been in the SCA to long when"

You always put out your shield, helm, device etc whenever you break down.

Even when driving to work.

Of course its a bad sign when you have your armor in the car in the first

place (anyone wanna go a few rounds at lunch? :>).

Joel Connors | Teirnion Shadowmist

joel_connors at attpls.net | Principality of the Mists

San Francisco, CA | Kingdom of the West

From: UDSD007 at DSIBM.OKLADOT.STATE.OK.US (Mike.Andrews)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Ansteorra suffers major loss

Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:28

Organization: The University of Oklahoma (USA)

To all Nobles, Peers, and Gentles to whom these presents may come,

Greeting.

I have the honor to acquaint you that, following a funeral Mass

at St. Philip Neri Church, Midwest City, Oklahoma, the body of

H. E. Caitlin Anna ni Seanain (mka Kathleen Anna Young Lister)

was laid to rest in St. Joseph's Catholic Cemetery, Norman,

Oklahoma, which is on the grounds of the Odd Fellows' Cemetery.

A vigil and prayer service had been held the previous night at

the same church.

The church was full: all seats were occupied, and some attendees

were obliged to stand through the service. To my personal

knowledge, folk came from all over Ansteorra to do honor to

Baroness Caitlin and to Baron Pepin; in addition some folk came

from as far away as central Tennessee and Kansas City, Missouri.

All was done with due and proper ceremony. Baron Pepin, as a

parting salute to his lady, summoned forth his herald, who led

the populace assembled in three rousing cheers of "Vivat!".

Then we all filed by the grave to place flowers on the casket,

which had been lowered to its final position.

The officiating priest and Baroness Caitlin's parents were

completely astonished at the number of people attending, and at

the distances which many of them had travelled. We who knew her

and loved her were in no way astonished.

Baron Pepin will need a great deal of support and love in the

next several months.

Pray, I beseech you all, for the repose of the soul of

Baroness Caitlin Anna ni Seanain

(m.k.a. Katherine Anna Young Lister),

and for peace and healing for her husband,

Baron Pepin de Moroni

(m.k.a. Danny Lister)

udsd007 at dsibm.okladot.state.ok.us

Michael Fenwick of Fotheringhay, O.L. (Mike Andrews) Namron, Ansteorra

Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996

From: horton at dhostwo.convex.com (Patricia Horton)

To: ansteorra at eden.com

Subject: Baron Subodai's Funeral

I have received many phone calls asking about arrangements for Baron Subodai's

funeral. Thanks to Sir Barn's lady Kat, I have the following information:

Funeral will be 1pm on Saturday

Smith-Kernke Funeral Home

1401 NW 23rd St

OKC, OK 73106

This is also the address you should send flowers to. Visitation is this

evening and tomorrow. Arafel has requested that those coming please wear

garb. Most of their friends were SCA and she wants the service to befit

a Baron.

There will be a charity for donations. Nothing definite has been decided yet.

As soon as I know I will post the information here.

My respects and prayers go to Baroness Arafel and the Northern Region who

have experienced yet another tragic loss.

Maire

From: Bonny Franklin <bfrankli at adobe.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Condolance gifts for Sir Sebastian

Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:08:09 -0700

Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

Greetings My Lords and Ladies-

I have been receiving many calls regarding where flowers can be sent,

Sebastian's parents have requested that in lieu of flowers, doantions

be sent to the Land Fund or to the Barony of Darkwood, givers choice.

If you have any questions regarding this, please feel free to email me

at BonnyJ at juno.com

In Service to the Dream and the Memeory of Sir Sebastian

Aletheia de la Mer Argentee

From: Father Gregory <apospirit at sprintmail.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Really Cool YKYITSCAW that happened in Meridies

Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:01:30 -0400

My mother's car was in the shop so she drove mine. The tire went flat.

As she was stuck on the interstate a group of young men in Fraternity

shirts stop. One of them says, "Milady, can we be of service" My

mother was uneasy. Then one of the young gentlemen explained that they

were in the SCA and had seen the sticker on my car. They changed the