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banishment-msg - 2/23/95

Types of banishment. tales of banishment.

NOTE: See also the files: corpora-early, SCA-meetings-msg, Confrontation-art,
SCA-The-Dream-msg, SCA-as-family-msg, SCA-stories1-msg, SCA-hist1-msg.


This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that
I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some
messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.

This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium.
These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org

I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with
seperate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes
extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were
removed to save space and remove clutter.

The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I
make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the
individual authors.

Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these
messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this
time. If information is published from these messages, please give
credit to the orignator(s).

Thank you,
Mark S. Harris AKA: Lord Stefan li Rous
mark.s.harris@motorola.com stefan@florilegium.org

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Subject: Re: banishment---what is it?
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 19:45:59 GMT

>Could someone kindly direct me to where i can learn the offical
>definition of `banishment' and `level n banishment'?

Bylaws or corpora. Tibor? :-)

There are 3 levels of banishment:

1. The crown banishes you from the presence; you can come to events, but
can't do anything where the crown would have to see you (like attend
court). This expires at the end of the reign, and is not reviewed by
the board (unless an appeal gets that far).

2. The crown banishes you from events (in that kingdom only?). This has
to be reviewed by the board and the crown must show cause. I believe
this can extend beyond the end of the reign.

3. Absolute banishment: your membership is revoked and you aren't allowed
to attend any events anywhere. (This can be for a set duration or it
can be permanent.) This can happen in one of two ways -- either after
a court of chivalry in your home kingdom or by direct board action. If
it's the former, the board reviews it. But note that the board can
choose to act even against the wishes of your crown -- they are prosecutor
and judge in that case. (They have to show cause, but they're the arbiters
of that.)

>Also, where can i learn the history of it's application---how many
>times, when, and why? It must be a matter of public record, but has
>someone been keeping track, or does it just get published in the

Level 2 and level 3 banishments would have been noted in the board minutes,
back when we had board minutes. Level 1 banishments are generally published
in the kingdom newsletter (can't recall if that's a requirement everywhere),
but wouldn't be in board minutes.


Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: banishment---what is it?
From: schuldy@zariski.harvard.edu (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Date: 5 May 94 21:45:26 EDT
Organization: My own little corner.

Malice wrote:
Could someone kindly direct me to where i can learn the offical
definition of `banishment' and `level n banishment'?

mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio) writes:
Bylaws or corpora. Tibor? :-)

Well, banishment is a function of the crowns, so Corpora. But some of them
involve removal of membership, and so, Bylaws. Here you go....

Banishment. Royalty may banish subjects of the realm and visitors
thereto, for just and stated cause. Banishment runs from the moment of
proclamation, but a notice must be published in the next available issue
of the kingdom newsletter if the banishment is to remain in effect. The
cause of the banishment must be explained to the banished person, but
must not be published in the kingdom newsletter. Only royalty are
empowered to impose banishment. For restrictions on banishment by
principality royalty, see VI.A.3.e. The Kingdom Seneschal, Steward,
and Board ombudsman must be informed as soon as possible about the
cause and occasion of the banishment.

There are three levels of banishment, of increasing stringency, each of
which includes the sanctions and reporting provisions of the preceding ones.

(1) Banishment from the royal presence requires the banished person
to make every effort to stay away from the issuing royalty, and
precludes attendance at court or the exercise of any privileges of
rank or duties of office which would require interaction with the
royalty for the duration of the banishment or the reign, whichever
is lesser. The sentence of banishment from the royal presence may be
applied for any reason the royalty deems fit, as long as the
maintenance of the realm is not impaired.

(2) Banishment from the realm withholds recognition of the banished
person's honors and titles, and bars active participation in Society
events in that realm for the duration of the banishment or the reign,
whichever is lesser. Banishment from the realm specifically does not
preclude attendance at events, as long as the banished person makes no
effort to engage in activities subject to the jurisdiction of any
officer, or otherwise disrupt the peace of the event. The Steward and
the Board will automatically review banishments from the realm. Such
a banishment must be imposed only in response to serious transgressions
against Society rules or standards of behavior at a Society event or
in the course of performing official duties on behalf of the Society.
If the Board determines that such a banishment is without merit or has
been unfairly imposed, the banishment will be lifted and the royalty
that imposed it may be subject to sanctions.

(3) Absolute banishment may only be imposed when the person has
endangered public health or safety, or disturbed the peace of an
event in a manner which would make it reasonable for the civil
authorities to be called in for assistance. Absolute banishment bars
the banished person from attending events entirely. The report to the
Steward and the Board must be accompanied for a request for revocation
or denial of membership for that person.

Also, where can i learn the history of it's application---how many
times, when, and why? It must be a matter of public record, but has
someone been keeping track, or does it just get published in the

Minutes or Kingdom Newsletters. You can't find out why there, but you can
find out who and how often.

Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@math.harvard.edu)

From: SandraDodd@aol.com (10/19/94)
To: markharris
Mail*LinkĘ SMTP banishment

It's a *really* long story, but we asked them in writing, with a copy to the
other peers of the realm, asking them all to keep it confidential among
peers. Some peers didn't like what we were doing (a minority) and it all got
put before the board, Hilary tried to negotiate a settlement, Greyraven got
involved and mucked things up worse, they were made to step down at the end
of the tournament to choose their successors, and we were banished from the
opening court of that day to the end of their reign (later that day),
banishment from the presence, because we had offended them, and so we hung
out on the sidelines without regalia (which we had ceremoniously divested
ourselves of in court when we were banished, having known what was up and so
dressed up like we were going to play strip poker). For the first time in a
couple of months, we were able to tell people what was going on. Since we
had asked the peers to keep it among peers, we had been refusing to give gory
gossipy details to non-peers, but with our titles withheld and all (however
banishment was set up in those times), we were non-peers for the time being,
and we spilled the whole story with great glee and gusto to anyone who asked.
One of the things which had happened was there had been a formal hearing
(Hilary came to Denver) at which a couple of true instances had been examined
without using the true names of the principals. Johan von Balduinsek had
been referred to in those procedings as "Joe Bob" and so for our banishment
time he was Joe-Bob, Artan was Jeff-Bob, Gunwaldt was Keith-Bob...

Someday if we're in the same place at the same time, I can tell you stories.
(Or ask Gunwaldt someday. He's more likely to be hanging out down there
with time to shoot the breeze.)


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