SCAguests-msg - 10/7/95 ਀ഊThoughts on handling visitors and visiting royalty from other medieval groups. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: households-msg, demos-msg, SCA-PR-msg, travel-funds-msg, courtesy-msg, crown-cost-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: vader at emil.csd.uu.se (ke Eldberg) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀ 一漀瘀 㤀㄀ ㈀㌀㨀　㜀㨀㄀㄀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: The Internet ਀ഊWilliam de Corbie greets the people of the Net! ਀ഊI remember seeing some non-SCA royalty (Acre? Markland?) at Pennsic, ਀愀渀搀 栀攀愀爀椀渀最 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 栀漀眀 琀栀攀礀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 琀爀攀愀琀攀搀⸀ 伀瀀椀渀椀漀渀猀ഊranged from "They're just a bunch of jerks who couldn't hack it in the ਀匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀攀礀 昀漀爀洀攀搀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 最爀漀甀瀀 ⴀⴀ 洀漀猀琀氀礀 猀漀 琀栀攀礀 挀漀甀氀搀 最椀瘀攀ഊthemselves all the titles they wanted", to "They are nice people, ਀瘀攀爀礀 愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀Ⰰ 瘀攀爀礀 挀漀甀爀琀攀漀甀猀Ⰰ 愀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 最爀漀甀瀀⸀⸀⸀∀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀猀 ∀琀栀攀 欀渀漀眀渀 眀漀爀氀搀∀⸀ 圀攀 搀漀 渀漀琀 挀氀愀椀洀 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 眀漀爀氀搀Ⰰഊand I have no problem with royalty from "unknown" parts of the world. ਀吀栀攀椀爀 琀椀琀氀攀猀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 栀漀渀漀爀攀搀 愀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 眀栀愀琀 眀攀 欀渀漀眀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀椀爀ഊmeaning. If we call someone "His majesty of the Kingdom of Acre", or ਀∀匀椀爀 䈀攀漀眀甀氀昀 䈀甀爀最攀爀 漀昀⼀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀挀爀攀∀Ⰰ 眀攀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 最椀瘀椀渀最ഊthem SCA rank, while maintaining diplomatic courtesies. They are ਀猀椀洀瀀氀礀 昀漀爀攀椀最渀攀爀猀 昀爀漀洀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀ⴀ欀渀漀眀渀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀氀搀⸀ഊ ਀匀漀洀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀攀ഊthe non-SCA titles at all, and that the foreign royalty should not ਀栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 爀攀挀攀椀瘀攀搀 椀渀 挀漀甀爀琀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 眀攀 愀爀攀 猀漀 戀椀最 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 挀愀渀 ഊafford to be generous to other groups with similar interests. ਀䤀琀✀猀 愀 琀攀猀琀 漀昀 漀甀爀 挀漀甀爀琀攀猀礀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 愀爀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 愀搀洀椀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 ⨀愀爀攀⨀ഊother medieval groups who have the same right to exist as we do, and ਀眀椀琀栀 眀栀漀洀 眀攀 洀椀最栀琀 攀渀樀漀礀 愀 昀爀甀椀琀昀甀氀 攀砀挀栀愀渀最攀 漀昀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀⸀ 䤀 猀攀攀 渀漀ഊpoint in being annoyed at them for not joining our particular version ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀 ⴀⴀ 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 爀攀愀氀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 䤀 挀愀渀 猀攀攀 昀漀爀ഊwanting to refuse and ignore them. ਀ഊWhether it's in good taste to march in at an SCA event and claim royal ਀爀愀渀欀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 戀攀攀渀 椀渀瘀椀琀攀搀 愀猀 猀甀挀栀 戀礀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 爀漀礀愀氀琀礀Ⰰ 椀猀 愀ഊdifferent matter. I think it's presumptous and bad manners. (I'm ਀渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 眀栀愀琀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀攀搀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀⤀ഊ ਀伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 爀攀挀漀最渀椀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀椀琀氀攀猀 漀渀氀礀 愀瀀瀀氀椀攀猀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀ഊwith us explicitly as foreign visitors, e.g. an embassy that comes to ਀愀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀ 䤀昀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀 漀渀 愀 爀攀最甀氀愀爀 戀愀猀椀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊSCA, then I don't think that their ranks & titles should have any ਀眀攀椀最栀琀 栀攀爀攀⸀ 䤀昀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀攀渀琀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 愀琀 愀渀 匀䌀䄀 攀瘀攀渀琀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀椀渀最 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀ഊas "Prince so-and-so" of this or that other group, I would probably ask ਀栀椀洀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 栀攀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 椀渀瘀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 爀甀氀椀渀最 匀䌀䄀 洀漀渀愀爀挀栀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 椀昀 栀攀 眀愀猀ഊan official ambassador from his group -- and if not, I would ask him to ਀猀琀漀瀀 甀猀椀渀最 栀椀猀 昀漀爀攀椀最渀 琀椀琀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀圀椀氀氀椀愀洀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: whheydt at pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀ 一漀瘀 㤀㄀ ㈀㈀㨀㔀㘀㨀㐀㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA ਀ഊWith respect to the recent thread on how to treat visitors wh have ਀琀椀琀氀攀猀 洀愀琀挀栀椀渀最 匀䌀䄀 琀椀琀氀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 昀爀漀洀 漀琀栀攀爀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀猀 ⠀椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最ഊcountries . . .) . . . ਀ഊI suggest that proper treatment is to treat such people as if their ਀琀椀琀氀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 愀眀愀爀搀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀ⴀⴀ猀漀 氀漀渀最 愀猀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 瘀椀猀椀琀漀爀猀 琀漀 漀甀爀ഊevents. If they wish to become part of the SCA, then they would leave ਀戀攀栀椀渀搀 猀甀挀栀 琀椀琀氀攀猀 愀猀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 昀爀漀洀 攀氀猀攀眀栀攀爀攀 愀渀搀 攀愀爀渀 琀椀琀氀攀猀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀ഊway that every member of the SCA does. ਀ഊThat is to say--if Elizabeth, Queen of England visits the Kingdom of ਀琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀Ⰰ 猀栀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀挀挀漀爀搀攀搀 匀漀瘀爀攀椀最渀 䠀漀渀漀爀猀 愀渀搀 戀攀 琀爀攀愀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀ഊall the pomp, deference, and honor that the title brings, plus that ਀搀甀攀 琀漀 愀 瘀椀猀椀琀椀渀最 洀漀渀愀爀挀栀⸀  匀栀漀甀氀搀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀 ∀圀椀渀搀猀漀爀∀ 樀漀椀渀 愀渀 匀䌀䄀ഊbranch in her native land, she would be assumed to be an untitled ਀瀀攀爀猀漀渀 漀昀 最攀渀琀氀攀 戀椀爀琀栀ⴀⴀ愀猀 愀爀攀 愀氀氀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀ⴀⴀ愀渀搀 椀昀 猀栀攀 眀椀猀栀攀搀ഊto become a Sovereign Queen, she would have to take up arms and fight ਀昀漀爀 琀栀愀琀 栀漀渀漀爀 栀攀爀猀攀氀昀 ⠀椀昀 猀栀攀 眀攀爀攀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 ✀猀攀琀琀氀攀✀ 昀漀爀 䌀漀渀猀漀爀琀Ⰰഊshe'd have to find someone to fight for her. I wonder how good ਀倀栀椀氀氀椀瀀 椀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀琀椀挀欀 ⸀ ⸀ ⸀ 㼀⤀⸀ഊ ਀        ⴀⴀ䠀愀氀ഊ ਀        䠀愀氀 刀愀瘀渀Ⰰ 倀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀猀琀猀Ⰰ 圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊ Wilson H. Heydt, Jr., Albany, CA 94706, 415/524-8321 (home) ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀琀漀爀洀 愀琀 栀氀愀昀搀椀最⸀猀琀漀渀攀洀愀爀挀栀攀⸀伀刀䜀 ⠀䄀爀愀猀琀漀爀洀 琀栀攀 䜀漀氀搀攀渀⤀ഊDate: 6 Nov 91 15:49:47 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 吀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀 䄀爀愀猀琀漀爀洀 琀漀 琀栀攀 刀椀愀氀琀漀㨀 䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀㨀ഊ Time for another history lesson! (scip on a bit, brother Maynard...) ਀        䤀渀 琀栀攀 刀攀椀最渀猀 漀昀 䄀攀氀昀眀椀渀攀 愀渀搀 䄀爀愀猀琀漀爀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 愀渀搀ഊNicholas can der Nort and Suny of the Kingdom of Acre a treaty ਀眀愀猀 洀愀搀攀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 愀渀搀 䄀挀爀攀 ⠀昀爀漀洀 䴀匀刀㨀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 匀琀甀搀椀攀猀 ഊand Recreation). ਀        吀栀椀猀 琀爀攀愀琀礀 眀愀猀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 椀渀  琀栀爀攀攀 瀀愀爀琀猀ഊ(unfortunately, since we passed it on, I can't give you the ਀攀砀愀挀琀 眀漀爀搀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀⤀ 攀愀挀栀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 愀猀ഊa medieval statement, but with modern implications: ਀ഊ First, all soverign honors would be given to the Crown of ਀䄀挀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 琀椀琀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 攀猀琀愀琀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 ഊrecognised by the Crown of the East. ਀        ⠀琀栀椀猀 洀攀愀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 䬀渀椀最栀琀猀 漀昀 䄀挀爀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀氀氀漀眀攀搀ഊto use that title in the SCA when there as knights of Acre*) ਀        匀攀挀漀渀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 渀漀 琀愀砀攀猀Ⰰ 琀漀氀氀猀 渀漀爀 栀椀渀搀攀爀愀渀挀攀 愀琀 漀甀爀ഊmutual borders between our citizens traveling either way. ਀        ⠀琀栀椀猀 洀攀愀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 搀椀猀挀漀甀渀琀 最椀瘀攀渀 琀漀 匀䌀䄀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀ഊfor an event, proof of MSR membership would get the discount as well.) ਀        吀栀椀爀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀椀琀椀稀攀渀猀 漀昀 攀愀挀栀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 戀漀甀渀搀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀ഊlaws in the kingdom where they were visiting. ਀        ⠀琀栀椀猀 洀攀愀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 攀愀挀栀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 琀栀攀 爀甀氀攀猀 漀昀ഊthe group who sponsored the event- from armor standards, & rules of the ਀氀椀猀琀Ⰰ 琀漀 昀氀愀猀栀戀甀氀戀 愀渀搀 挀漀欀攀 挀愀渀 爀甀氀攀猀⸀⤀ഊ ਀        吀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 愀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 甀瀀 琀漀 琀栀攀渀Ⰰ 漀琀栀攀爀ഊmedieval groups had been looked on as "evil twins" of the SCA- both the ਀匀䌀䄀 ∀猀瀀椀渀ⴀ漀昀昀猀∀ 昀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀 䴀匀刀Ⰰ 䘀愀爀 䤀猀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 一漀爀猀攀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀漀猀攀ഊwhich separatly, like Markland. Many of these groups did (and do) indeed ਀瀀氀愀礀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 ⠀眀栀漀 栀愀猀 渀漀琀 栀攀愀爀搀 漀昀ഊthe Tuchuks?), but, as has been noted in this discussion on the Rialto, ਀洀愀渀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 栀愀搀 渀攀最愀琀椀瘀攀 昀攀攀氀椀渀最猀 愀戀漀甀琀 氀攀琀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 挀漀洀攀 ⴀഊeven if they did follow SCA rules while at SCA events (and which some ਀眀攀爀攀 渀漀琀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 挀漀漀瀀攀爀愀琀椀瘀攀 愀戀漀甀琀⤀⸀ഊ ਀        吀䴀猀 一椀挀栀漀氀愀猀 愀渀搀 匀甀渀礀 愀最爀攀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 甀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 搀椀瘀椀猀椀瘀攀渀攀猀猀ഊwas great foolishness. (Of course, the was not a universal opinion.) What ਀眀攀 愀爀攀 搀漀椀渀最 椀猀 渀漀琀 猀漀 瘀攀爀礀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 昀攀攀氀椀渀最猀 眀栀椀挀栀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀ഊthe various spin offs (and we will admit that there were very bad feelings ਀眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 琀栀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 挀爀攀愀琀攀搀 䴀匀刀 氀攀昀琀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 琀漀 搀漀 猀漀⤀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀ഊvast majority of the people who had joined since then knew nothing of ਀琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 ⠀漀爀Ⰰ 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀洀⤀Ⰰ 椀琀ഊwould be silly to promolgate old bad feelings, and not get on with it. ਀ഊ For example, in the MSR the requirements for knighthood are ਀猀漀洀攀眀栀愀琀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 琀漀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀ⴀ 戀甀琀 琀栀椀猀 瀀甀琀猀ഊtheir knights in a more realistic social position. Each has it's advantages, ਀愀渀搀 漀戀瘀椀漀甀猀氀礀 眀攀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀 漀甀爀猀 漀琀栀攀爀眀椀稀攀 眀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 挀栀愀渀最攀 椀琀⸀ 伀琀栀攀爀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀ഊare similar. My observation is that most differences between the SCA ਀愀渀搀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 爀攀挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀 最爀漀甀瀀猀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 洀甀挀栀 猀洀愀氀氀攀爀ഊtime frames, and therefore the possibility of greater internal accuracy. ਀䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 漀甀爀 猀椀稀攀 愀渀搀 氀漀漀猀攀 昀爀愀洀攀眀漀爀欀 洀愀欀攀 漀甀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 愀瀀瀀攀愀氀椀渀最 琀漀 ഊtheir members- not always, but occationally. (Pennsic is a unique experience ਀眀栀椀挀栀 愀渀礀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 挀漀洀戀愀琀琀愀渀琀 眀愀渀琀猀 琀漀 猀栀愀爀攀 椀渀ⴀ 眀攀 愀爀攀 氀甀挀欀礀 眀攀 搀漀渀✀琀ഊget Rev War reinactors crashing it.) ਀ഊ *In fact, there are (in my observation) many people who have ਀洀攀洀戀攀爀猀栀椀瀀猀 椀渀 戀漀琀栀 䴀匀刀 愀渀搀 匀䌀䄀 愀渀搀 眀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀礀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 渀愀洀攀猀 愀渀搀ഊdevices (good heraldry is good heraldry, and it's hard to get your ਀昀爀椀攀渀搀猀 琀漀 挀愀氀氀 礀漀甀 䬀椀爀猀琀椀渀 愀渀搀 䴀愀最搀愀氀椀渀攀 琀栀攀 渀攀砀琀⤀ 琀栀攀礀 搀漀渀✀琀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀ഊask to use their MSR ranks at SCA events. Problems can arise when, for ਀攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 椀渀 䴀匀刀 最攀琀猀 琀栀攀椀爀 愀爀洀猀 瀀愀猀猀攀搀 愀渀搀 洀愀欀攀猀 愀 氀漀瘀攀氀礀 ഊheraldic banner, robe, etc. (as a Crusader era group, they have a lot of ਀氀漀瘀攀氀礀 栀攀爀愀氀搀椀挀 搀椀猀瀀氀愀礀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀洀攀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 眀栀攀爀攀 漀甀爀 栀攀爀愀氀搀猀 渀漀琀椀挀攀 ഊthat the arms they are displaying were recently given to some other SCA ਀瀀攀爀猀漀渀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 漀甀爀 椀渀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 攀渀挀漀甀爀愀最攀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀瀀猀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀ഊtogether to avoid such problems- after all, the college of heralds of ਀琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀猀 愀渀 椀渀挀爀攀搀椀戀氀攀 爀攀猀漀甀爀挀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 漀渀攀 挀愀渀 猀攀攀 栀漀眀 琀栀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 眀愀渀琀ഊto invest time in checking on the arms of people who might not come to ਀匀䌀䄀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 漀渀挀攀 漀爀 琀眀椀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀        刀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 ⠀䤀 眀愀猀 琀漀氀搀 戀礀 猀漀洀攀 䴀匀刀 昀漀氀欀ⴀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀椀爀 儀甀攀攀渀⤀ 琀栀攀ഊSCA BoD made a ruling that the SCA won't acknowledge any other groups ਀漀昀 爀攀挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀椀猀琀猀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀漀 愀瘀漀椀搀 琀栀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀 䤀 眀愀猀ഊtalking about (can you imagine the amount of work involved in trying ਀琀漀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 栀攀爀愀氀搀爀礀 昀漀爀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 最爀漀甀瀀猀 攀瘀攀爀礀眀栀攀爀攀㼀ഊWo!) On the other hand, this means that even when the East is running the ਀圀愀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀✀琀 栀漀渀漀爀 琀栀攀 琀爀攀愀琀礀 戀礀 氀攀琀琀椀渀最 椀渀 䴀匀刀 昀漀氀欀 愀琀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀ഊrate as SCA folk, and the East and Acre have been ratifying that same ਀琀爀攀愀琀礀 漀昀昀 愀渀搀 漀渀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 氀愀猀琀 ㄀　 礀攀愀爀猀⸀ ⠀挀甀爀爀攀渀琀氀礀 ∀漀渀∀⤀ 吀栀椀猀 椀猀ഊanother case of the BoD claiming that they butt out of the medieval ਀愀猀瀀攀挀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 最愀洀攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 椀渀琀爀甀搀椀渀最⸀ 䤀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀 琀栀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 猀愀礀ഊthat petty little kings and queens have no right to make decisions ਀眀栀椀挀栀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀 昀椀渀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀栀愀琀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀愀猀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀Ⰰഊand I think it went a long way to healing the breach between the East ਀愀渀搀 䄀挀爀攀⸀ ⠀圀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 䈀漀䐀 搀椀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䘀愀爀 䤀猀氀攀猀 椀猀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 猀琀漀爀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊwe couldn't heal that- let's just say that it ended with Baroness ਀䠀攀氀漀椀猀愀 搀爀漀瀀瀀椀渀最 愀 琀攀愀 戀愀最 椀渀 䈀漀猀琀漀渀 䠀愀爀戀漀爀 ⠀䔀渀最氀愀渀搀⤀ 愀渀搀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 愀ഊgood 50 people who were recruited for the SCA by Baron Patri from ਀戀攀挀漀洀椀渀最 愀渀 匀䌀䄀 戀愀爀漀渀礀⸀⤀ഊ ਀        吀漀 爀攀琀甀爀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀Ⰰ 䤀 眀椀氀氀 爀攀挀漀甀渀琀 愀渀 椀渀挀椀搀攀渀琀ഊfrom our reign. In our understanding a Vice-Roy was the person who ਀猀琀漀漀搀 椀渀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最 眀愀猀渀✀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䌀愀瀀椀琀漀氀⸀ 䠀攀 眀愀猀 欀椀渀搀ഊof a replacement Baron who did everything a Baron did for a barony, ਀戀甀琀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最 眀愀猀 琀栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 栀攀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀栀椀渀最⸀ 䘀漀爀 洀愀渀礀 爀攀椀最渀猀⠀䄀渀最甀猀ⰀഊAkbar, Murad, etc.) the King of the East had been from the Crown Province, ਀猀漀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 昀椀渀攀⸀ ⠀吀漀 瀀甀琀 琀栀椀猀 愀氀氀 椀渀琀漀 瀀攀爀猀瀀攀挀琀椀瘀攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 洀甀猀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀ഊthat during this period, the East consisted of Murkwode, Bhakail, Coill ਀伀栀爀搀愀 ⠀愀 猀栀椀爀攀 椀渀 一䨀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 一愀洀攀氀攀猀猀 倀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀Ⰰ 䈀愀爀漀渀礀 䈀攀礀漀渀搀 琀栀攀 䴀漀甀渀琀愀椀渀Ⰰഊand Carolingia. Events did not overlap. Indeed, if Carolingia had a ਀昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 漀爀 搀愀渀挀攀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最 洀椀最栀琀 眀攀氀氀 猀栀漀眀 甀瀀⸀ 吀栀椀渀最猀ഊwere different then. Kingdom events might pull in as many as 60 to 80 ਀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⸀⤀ 䈀甀琀 戀礀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 眀攀 最漀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀栀爀漀渀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䌀爀漀眀渀 倀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀 栀愀搀ഊbeen functioning fairly independantly for some time, and even when ਀琀栀攀 䌀爀漀眀渀 搀椀搀 氀椀瘀攀 椀渀 　猀琀最愀爀搀 ⠀䄀椀搀愀渀 愀渀搀 匀攀琀愀渀琀愀 漀爀 匀椀最昀爀椀攀搀 愀渀搀 圀愀渀搀愀⤀ഊIan of Clan Mitchel and Katherine fulfilled all the duties that one would ਀攀砀瀀攀挀琀 漀昀 愀 戀愀爀漀渀Ⰰ 猀漀 眀攀 搀攀挀椀搀攀搀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀洀 䌀漀甀爀琀 䈀愀爀漀渀 愀渀搀 䈀愀爀漀渀攀猀猀ഊso that they would have rank of their own. Now at this same time we had ਀戀攀攀渀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 琀漀 一椀挀栀漀氀愀猀 愀渀搀 匀甀渀礀 愀戀漀甀琀 栀攀愀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 戀爀攀愀挀栀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 䴀匀刀ഊand the SCA, and so when they showed up at the Ostgardr event we were ਀琀栀爀椀氀氀攀搀 愀渀搀 椀渀瘀椀琀攀搀 琀栀攀洀 甀瀀 琀漀 猀椀琀 眀椀琀栀 甀猀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀ഊfirst instance of an SCA Crown (at least an eastern one)