SCA-coro-oths-msg - 9/27/01 Coronation oaths sworn in various SCA kingoms. How the oaths are administered. NOTE: See also the files: crown-cost-msg, Baronial-Lead-art, largess-ideas-msg, SCA-royalty-msg, travel-funds-msg, coronets-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ From: "JE Anderson" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: IK Anthropology (new) Oaths at Coronations Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:15:48 GMT "Sigen 3" wrote: > I have been following several very interesting threads that have me wondering > about Oaths. > > How are oaths given at Coronations in different kingdoms? Are there blanket > (formula) or individual oaths? Is it different for Peerage/Landed > Nobles/Populace? Do you swear on a relic? Principality of Avacal (An Tir) we swear upon the weapon of state (our sword was stolen about 4 years ago and now we have a "mace-of-state" ) or upon the physical Coronets themselves. Hope this helps Eirika > Sigen Northkeep From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: IK Anthropology (new) Oaths at Coronations Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:17:12 GMT Organization: Road Runner Columbus In the Middle and in Ealdormere, there are specific oaths for each group of people (Landed B&Bs and Territorial P&Ps/Laurels/Pelicans/Chiv/Great Officers of State/populace (Ealdormere has a special one for Court B's as well). They are normally sworn as a group on the sword of state, and if there are too many folks for everyone to get up there and touch it, chains of people form. In Ealdormere there has normally been an option to swear fealty privately if the standard oath isn't your bag. I think this occasionally happens in the Middle but it seems to be less common. Nicolaa From: fvigil at aol.comNoSpam (Fernando Vigil) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Date: 11 May 2001 17:46:28 GMT Subject: Re: IK Anthropology (new) Oaths at Coronations >How are oaths given at Coronations in different kingdoms? Are there blanket >(formula) or individual oaths? Is it different for Peerage/Landed >Nobles/Populace? Here are the Oaths we used at our Coronation in Calontir: Royal Peers: Here do I swear Fealty to the Crown and Kingdom of Calontir. I swear to support the laws, ideals, and traditions of the Society, to give wise council and sound advise, and to loyally defend the Crown and Kingdom to the utmost of my ability. Thus swear I, _______. Chivalry: Here do I swear Fealty to the Crown and Kingdom of Calontir. I swear to support the laws, ideals, and traditions of the Society, to loyally defend the Kingdom and uphold the Crown. To faithfully fulfill my military obligations to The Crown. To be the shield of innocence and the sword of justice, and to ever and always be a good knight and true. Thus swear I, _______. Laurels: Here do I swear Fealty to the Crown and Kingdom of Calontir. I swear to support the laws, ideals, and traditions of the Society, to loyally defend the Kingdom and uphold the Crown. To Champion teaching, foster learning, support the Arts and Sciences of Calontir, and ever and always be worthy of the laurel wreath. Thus swear I, _______. Pelicans: Here do I swear Fealty to the Crown and Kingdom of Calontir. I swear to support the laws, ideals, and traditions of the Society, to loyally defend the Kingdom and uphold the Crown. To champion teaching, and foster service, and ever and always be worthy of the Pelican. Thus swear I, _______. Great Officers: Here do I swear fealty to the Crown of Calontir, and pledge my service as <>. To well and loyally administer my office, and to give wise counsel to the Crown, according to my knowledge and ability. I swear to support the laws, ideals, and traditions of our Society, to loyally defend and uphold d Crown and Kingdom, and to ever and always strive to be worthy of my Office. Thus swear I, _______. Teritoria Baronages: Here do I swear fealty and offer my service to the Crown of Calontir., to loyally administer the lands entrusted to me to the best of my abilities, to defend these lands from all enemies, from within or without, to protect all persons, both Noble and common, resident within this, your barony. To uphold and enforce the laws of the Kingdom and the Society, and to ever remember that the lands I manage are not mine to rule, but only to administer as the Crown wishes. Thus swear I, _______. Champions: Here do I swear Fealty and pledge my service to the Crown and Kingdom of Calontir. To well and loyally defend Crown and Kingdom against all foes, striving always to uphold the Laws, ideals, and traditions of the Society. Thus swear I ______. The populace was allowed to swear fealty in evening court (Coronation was in the morning) to allow sufficient time for thought by the people after our comments on Fealty. Unfortuantely I do not have a copy of that oath here at the moment. Fernando * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Conde Fernando Rodriguez de Falcon, KSCA, Baron, OP Kingdom of Calontir, Barony of Three Rivers * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From: fvigil at aol.comNoSpam (Fernando Vigil) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Date: 11 May 2001 17:59:09 GMT Subject: Re: IK Anthropology (new) Oaths at Coronations >By the way, no one seems to have mentioned the most important oath >given at a Midrealm coronation: the one sworn by the incoming royalty. Good point. At our Coronation as is traditional here in Calontir, Lyriel and I were each given speeches on what it is to be the Crown before we swore our oaths. These speeches were fairly different from the typical ones - though they covered the usual issues, they added a few. Also a number of the lines in the King's were taken or paraphrased from songs which I like. Here are the speaches and the oaths: Kings: Jarl Asgeirr: This crown, a circlet, the sign of our land The sign of the king, the sacrificed man He thinks first of his men, their beasts, their land And last of the pride that flows from sword hand. A child may play in a castle tower The king who does soon sees the hour The land he rules has lost all power The glory once sweet is spoiled and sour. Count Dongal: By law and by custum is the king bound No one beyond these limits may be found We turn for justice to those who are crowned. The King respects what the people hold dear Though he like it not, to their hopes gives ear He champions their cause and stands against fear If the people prosper, that is his cheer. Duke Eringlin: The greatest of burdens falls to the king In times of woe, he must cheerfully sing In times of crisis, a level head bring The first to battle but last retreating By each of their subjects, kingdoms are known Before us that mirror of honor is shown A circlet of metal, polished and honed On the brow of a man, one of our own. Jarl Asgeirr: All this is but the smallest part of what it means to be a King. More a King must learn Himself through word and action. My Oath: Here do I swear to serve the Kingdom of Calontir; To rule according to the ideals, laws and traditions of these lands; To uphold chivalry and honor; To support the Arts and Sciences; To deal justly with all matters great and small to the benefit of the Kingdom; To set an example of justice and compassion for all; In good times and an bad, in war and in peace; Till death take me, the world end, or my rightful heir is prepared to take up this Crown. This I swear! Kingdom Seneschal: Will you swear it to the Great Lords of State? Fernando: This I swear to the Great Lords of State! Earl Marshal: Will you swear it to the Peers of the Realm? Fernando: This I swear to the Peers of the Realm! Gold Falcon Herald: Will you swear it to the people of Calontir? Fernando: And this I swear to the people of Calontir! Queens: Countess Fionna: The Queen must be cheerful in the coldest hall She must be mirthful though her spirits fall She is ever patient, though her interest palls She answers promptly when the kingdom calls. She is the sharpness in swords of the knights She is the fire that makes axes bite. She is the keenness in the cast of the spear She is inspiration, making chivalry dear. Duchess Alethea: For artisans, servants and warriors bold Queens give inspiration and their courses mold, But Justice for the weak does your crown enfold, Mercy for the innocent you must uphold. Friends may come for judgement, their causes just and bold. You must choose between them by the laws of old. This may be the price of your crown of gold You may lose a friendship you would rather hold. Countess Aislinn: In your people's interest you must always act With both law and people, you have made a pact The people know your worth as undoubted fact They will cherish crowns more than an artifact They will do more service than you would exact As on their willing shoulders like a giant you ride You will see the dangers from which you cannot hide. All this is but the smallest part of what it means to be a Queen. More a Queen must learn Herself through word and action. Oath: Here do I swear to serve the Kingdom of Calontir; To rule according to the ideals, laws and traditions of these lands; To uphold chivalry and honor; To support the Arts and Sciences; To deal justly with all matters great and small to the benefit of the Kingdom; To set an example of justice and compassion for all; In good times and an bad, in war and in peace; Till death take me, the world end, or my rightful heir is prepared to take up this Crown. This I swear! Kingdom Seneschal: Will you swear it to the Great Lords of State? Lyriel: This I swear to the Great Lords of State! Earl Marshal: Will you swear it to the Peers of the Realm? Lyriel: This I swear to the Peers of the Realm! Gold Falcon Herald: Will you swear it to the people of Calontir? Lyriel: And this I swear to the people of Calontir! Fernando * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Conde Fernando Rodriguez de Falcon, KSCA, Baron, OP Kingdom of Calontir, Barony of Three Rivers * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Edited by Mark S. Harris SCA-coro-oths-msg Page 5 of 5