waterbearing-msg - 12/10/09 ਀ഊComments and suggestions for waterbearing and organizing waterbearing for fighters at SCA tournaments and melees. Water and beverage distribution at events. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: On-Rehydration-art, waterbearing-art, WB-Checklist-art, event-ideas-msg, evnt-stewards-msg, demos-msg, privvies-msg, evnt-stwd-cltn-art, tourn-ideas-msg, marshalling-msg, melee-tactics-art. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀  栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀  栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀  愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀  漀昀  攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀  眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀  眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀  眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀  渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀  愀猀  琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀  漀昀  琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  最椀瘀攀渀  戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀  爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀  愀渀搀  攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀  琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀  琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀  挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀  漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀  椀猀  甀渀挀氀攀愀爀  愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀  椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  椀猀  瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀  昀爀漀洀  琀栀攀猀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:11:14 MST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀䜀爀攀攀渀攀 愀琀 洀瀀愀渀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: ANST - Waterbearer supplies ਀吀漀㨀 㰀最椀漀瘀愀渀渀愀㔀㄀ 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀Ⰰ  愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䰀愀搀礀 䜀椀漀瘀愀渀渀愀 䰀攀渀愀 䌀愀爀漀渀渀愀 椀渀焀甀椀爀攀搀㨀ഊ Also, if anyone has access to the flexible line that goes into the gallon milk ਀樀甀最猀 昀漀爀 眀愀琀攀爀ⴀ戀攀愀爀椀渀最⸀  䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 最爀攀愀琀氀礀 愀瀀瀀爀攀挀椀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 搀漀渀愀琀椀漀渀⸀  㰀猀渀椀瀀㸀ഊ ਀䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 眀栀愀琀 䰀愀搀礀 䜀椀漀瘀愀渀渀愀 椀猀 爀攀昀攀爀爀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 ⨀昀漀漀搀ⴀ最爀愀搀攀⨀ 瀀漀氀礀瘀椀渀礀氀 栀漀猀攀⸀ഊWith summer is coming, this is a good time for Waterbearer reminders. Tubing can be foundrolled in boxes, in the plumbing section of most hardware stores and comes in various thickness's. It's used to connect hoses between refrigeration units and soda machines. ਀ഊWaterbearers have found the 3/8th in. thickness to work best for most fighter helmets. Some have used fish tank hoses in past, but they tend to collapse on use. Be sure to purchase the clear vinyl instead of the stiffer white vinyl. The hose can be reused several times if cleaned in hot water and soaked in Clorox bleach, and rinsed again thoroughly . ਀ഊYou can also buy tubing wholesale from distributors, but you have to purchase the whole box or more, and must have a sales tax id number. But, it can be done. ਀ഊFew years ago, kingdoms started switching to the bottle pop-tops for our 2-liter containers, for sanitation reasons. I save mine off the tops of water bottles purchases at store, clean them and pass them along to waterbearers. But, some fighter helmets are not designed with a large opening to squirt the water through, so those fighters wish to continue using the water hoses; anything to get water. ਀ഊDuring these summer months, populace, please be sure to save and clean your water & milk gallon and 2-liter soda bottles. Also, save your water pop-tops from water and sport drinks, clean them as well. Donate these items to your branch Waterbearers. It will ensure there are plenty of supplies for all our hot Ansteorran events. ਀ഊThanks, Mistress Hillary Greenslade ਀⠀昀漀爀洀攀爀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 圀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 最爀攀礀 栀愀椀爀猀 愀渀搀 戀愀搀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 瀀爀漀瘀攀 椀琀℀⤀ഊ ਀ഊTo: spca-wascaerfrig at egroups.com ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䄀瀀爀 ㈀　　　 ㄀㐀㨀　　㨀　㐀 䔀䐀吀ഊFrom: PBLoomis at aol.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀猀瀀挀愀ⴀ眀愀猀挀愀攀爀昀爀椀最崀 䌀愀渀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 栀攀氀瀀 洀攀㼀  ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 搀愀琀攀搀 㐀⼀㄀㜀⼀　　 　　㨀㄀㌀㨀㄀㔀 䔀匀吀Ⰰ 搀甀挀栀攀猀猀愀 愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> How are the water jugs configured/made for the fighters to drink on ਀㸀  琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀 眀栀椀氀攀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 椀渀昀攀挀琀椀漀渀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀㼀 䤀 瀀氀愀渀 漀渀 栀攀氀瀀椀渀最ഊ> waterbear at Baron"s War next month but I need the water jugs. ਀ഊ Proper ones are squirt bottles made by Nalgene, where you squeeze ਀琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 琀漀 攀樀攀挀琀 愀 琀栀椀渀 猀琀爀攀愀洀⸀  䤀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 最攀琀 琀栀攀洀 愀琀 愀 猀瀀漀爀琀猀 猀琀漀爀攀⸀  ഊThink you have to go to a chemistry lab supply house. ਀ഊ Scotti ਀ഊ ਀吀漀㨀 猀瀀挀愀ⴀ眀愀猀挀愀攀爀昀爀椀最 愀琀 攀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀挀漀洀ഊDate: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:20:29 EDT ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䔀氀礀猀愀渀琀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: [spca-wascaerfrig] Can anyone help me? ਀ഊ> > Hi, How are the water jugs configured/made for the fighters to drink on ਀㸀 㸀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀 眀栀椀氀攀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 椀渀昀攀挀琀椀漀渀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀㼀 䤀 瀀氀愀渀 漀渀 栀攀氀瀀椀渀最ഊ> > waterbare at Baron"s War next month but I need the water jugs. ਀ഊ(snip) ਀ ഊ> I recently got several messages detailing how they currently are ਀㸀 爀攀焀甀攀猀琀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀 戀攀愀爀攀爀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 戀攀 挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀攀搀 椀渀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀ ഊ ਀⠀猀渀椀瀀⤀ ഊ ਀䤀 愀洀 愀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀攀爀 昀漀爀 䌀漀渀䘀攀搀 愀渀搀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 愀猀 猀甀挀栀 氀愀猀琀 礀攀愀爀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀  ഊ ਀圀攀 瀀椀挀欀攀搀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀爀攀 瀀爀攀ⴀ昀椀氀氀攀搀 昀漀爀 甀猀⤀ 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 瀀椀挀欀ⴀ甀瀀 ഊpoint on the field. 2 liter waterbottles were used. I do not know if they ਀眀攀爀攀 爀椀渀猀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 瀀爀椀漀爀 琀漀 昀椀氀氀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀伀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀Ⰰ 眀攀 椀渀猀攀爀琀攀搀 愀 氀漀渀最 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 戀攀渀搀愀戀氀攀 琀甀戀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 ഊbottle, and in this way could insert the end of it through the front face ਀最甀愀爀搀 最爀椀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 猀漀 琀栀攀礀 挀漀甀氀搀 搀爀椀渀欀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀渀✀琀 愀猀 昀愀爀 愀猀 䤀✀瘀攀 ഊseen standard practice to change these "straws" between fighters. We also ਀愀搀搀攀搀 ∀䜀愀琀漀爀愀搀攀∀ 琀漀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 猀漀 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 栀愀搀 愀 挀栀漀椀挀攀 漀昀 ഊbeverage. ਀ഊSome of the bottles were only used for wetting rags for the fighters to cool ਀琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀 搀漀眀渀 眀椀琀栀⸀  匀甀挀栀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀椀愀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀椀琀栀 ഊwater to drink by a coloured tape on the handle Also, bottled water could ਀戀攀 甀猀攀搀 椀昀 礀漀甀✀爀攀 眀漀爀爀椀攀搀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 瀀甀琀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 愀 昀愀甀挀攀琀 洀椀最栀琀 ഊbe tainted or tastes nasty, or if you are unsure that the bottles have been ਀爀椀渀猀攀搀 漀甀琀 愀搀攀焀甀愀琀攀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀䔀氀礀猀愀渀琀 ഊ ਀ഊFrom: "Lord Oakrock©" ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Water Bearer Bottles ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㠀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㄀ ㈀㈀㨀㈀㐀㨀　㈀ 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䈀攀琀栀ഊThey use clear plastic tubing. About 1/4" interior dia. Then drill a hole ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀瀀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 猀椀稀攀 愀猀 琀栀攀 漀甀琀攀爀 搀椀愀⸀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 琀甀戀椀渀最ഊat an aquarium store and some large auto supply stores. It would be used in ਀刀嘀 眀愀琀攀爀 猀礀猀琀攀洀猀 漀爀 氀愀爀最攀 昀椀猀栀 琀愀渀欀猀⸀ഊJames ਀ഊ"Beth" wrote ਀㸀 䄀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀 ⠀氀漀漀欀椀渀最 愀琀 琀栀攀 挀愀氀攀渀搀愀爀 椀琀 猀栀漀眀猀 攀椀最栀琀ഊ> years...ugh), I lived in Atenveldt and attended Estrella X. At that war ਀㸀 䤀 猀愀眀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀攀愀爀攀爀猀 眀椀琀栀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 洀愀搀攀 昀爀漀洀 ㈀ⴀ氀椀琀攀爀ഊ> bottles and tubing of some kind. Now that mundane life has settled ਀㸀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 瀀攀爀洀椀琀 洀攀 琀漀 爀攀琀甀爀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 洀椀搀搀氀攀 愀最攀猀Ⰰ 䤀 昀椀渀搀 洀礀ഊ> house going through several 3-liter bottles (things bigger in texas I ਀㸀 最甀攀猀猀 㬀⤀  ⤀⸀ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 挀漀渀瘀攀爀琀 琀栀攀猀攀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊ> I saw at the war, but have as yet not been able to find info on doing ਀㸀 琀栀椀猀⸀ 䤀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 戀攀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀甀戀椀渀最  挀愀渀 戀攀 猀攀挀甀爀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 栀漀氀攀 琀栀愀琀ഊ> would be put in the center of the cover, but it must remain safe for the ਀㸀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 琀漀 搀爀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 昀爀漀洀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䄀渀礀 栀攀氀瀀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 最爀攀愀琀氀礀 愀瀀瀀爀攀挀椀愀琀攀搀⸀ഊ> Beth ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䰀漀爀搀 伀愀欀爀漀挀欀꤀∀ 㰀樀洀攀渀漀琀琀椀 愀琀 挀爀礀漀戀愀渀欀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 圀愀琀攀爀 䈀攀愀爀攀爀 䈀漀琀琀氀攀猀ഊDate: 28 Sep 2001 23:32:06 GMT ਀ഊSome put a couple of raps of duct tape above the cape to keep it from being ਀瀀甀猀栀攀搀 琀漀 昀愀爀 椀渀 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 挀愀瀀⸀  吀栀攀礀 愀氀氀 瀀甀氀氀 漀甀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 搀爀漀瀀 琀栀攀ഊbottle. As long as you make the hole close to or the same as the outer ਀搀椀愀洀攀琀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀甀戀椀渀最 椀琀 眀椀氀氀 猀琀愀礀 瀀甀琀⸀  匀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀愀戀爀椀挀 戀愀最猀 栀愀瘀攀ഊVelcro on the shoulder strap the holds the tubs up and lessen the chance ਀琀栀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 最攀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 搀椀爀琀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 嘀攀氀挀爀漀 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀甀戀攀 愀渀搀 椀琀 爀愀瀀攀搀ഊaround the tube and sewn on the strap. ਀ഊThese are all observations from inside a helm, in between battles. the ਀瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀 椀猀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀 戀甀琀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 愀瀀瀀爀攀挀椀愀琀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Judith M Phillips ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Water Bearer Bottles ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㈀㤀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㄀ 　　㨀㔀㄀㨀㐀㐀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀伀渀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㠀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㄀ ㈀㄀㨀㈀㠀㨀㈀㠀 䜀䴀吀Ⰰ 䈀攀琀栀 㰀猀琀攀攀氀猀瀀椀爀椀琀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> A number of years ago (looking at the calendar it shows eight ਀㸀 礀攀愀爀猀⸀⸀⸀甀最栀⤀Ⰰ 䤀 氀椀瘀攀搀 椀渀 䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀 愀渀搀 愀琀琀攀渀搀攀搀 䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀 堀⸀ 䄀琀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀爀ഊ> I saw the water bearers with bottles that had been made from 2-liter ਀㸀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀甀戀椀渀最 漀昀 猀漀洀攀 欀椀渀搀⸀ 一漀眀 琀栀愀琀 洀甀渀搀愀渀攀 氀椀昀攀 栀愀猀 猀攀琀琀氀攀搀ഊ> enough to permit me to return to the current middle ages, I find my ਀㸀 栀漀甀猀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 ㌀ⴀ氀椀琀攀爀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 ⠀琀栀椀渀最猀 戀椀最最攀爀 椀渀 琀攀砀愀猀 䤀ഊ> guess ;) ). I would like to convert these into the type of bottles that ਀㸀 䤀 猀愀眀 愀琀 琀栀攀 眀愀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀猀 礀攀琀 渀漀琀 戀攀攀渀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 椀渀昀漀 漀渀 搀漀椀渀最ഊ> this. I want to be sure that the tubing can be secured to the hole that ਀㸀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 瀀甀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 洀甀猀琀 爀攀洀愀椀渀 猀愀昀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊ> fighters to drink the water from. ਀ഊIt's not quite what you're asking about, but one gallon jugs work as well; the tubing can be threaded down into the handle. It stays pretty stable. ਀ഊAdelais ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀攀渀渀椀猀 伀✀䌀漀渀渀漀爀∀ 㰀搀洀漀挀 愀琀 瀀爀椀洀攀渀攀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 圀愀琀攀爀 䈀攀愀爀攀爀 䈀漀琀琀氀攀猀ഊDate: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:04:43 -0700 ਀ഊI've water-born with the 2 2-liter bottles (one water, one dilute Gatorade) ਀愀渀搀 䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀 ㌀ⴀ氀椀琀攀爀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 挀栀漀椀挀攀Ⰰ 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 琀漀漀ഊmuch bulk and/or weight. But you can try. ਀ഊA sling that goes over the neck and hangs down with a pocket ਀昀漀爀 愀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 漀渀 攀愀挀栀 猀椀搀攀 椀猀 愀 栀愀渀搀礀 琀栀椀渀最 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀 眀漀爀欀Ⰰ 䈀吀圀⸀ഊEasy to make too, just sew together 3 cloth rectangles. ਀ⴀⴀഊDennis O'Connor dmoc at primenet.com ਀圀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 愀 爀愀戀椀搀 搀漀最 琀漀 搀攀猀琀爀漀礀 愀 爀愀戀椀搀 搀漀最⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: "Sally Burnell" ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Water Bearer Bottles ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㌀　 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㄀ ㈀㈀㨀㌀㤀㨀㔀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊ ਀     吀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 猀漀洀攀 琀愀氀欀 琀栀椀猀 瀀愀猀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 漀昀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀椀渀最 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀ഊcalling "non-contact" water-bearing, so there are apparently some changes in ਀猀琀漀爀攀 昀漀爀 栀漀眀 眀攀 愀爀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 椀琀⸀ 䤀 最甀攀猀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 猀漀洀攀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀猀ഊabout some illnesses which could be passed by several thousand people all ਀搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 ⠀攀瘀攀渀 琀栀漀甀最栀 眀攀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀猀攀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 琀甀戀攀猀ഊstuck down into the bottles), such as Hepatitis, Meningitis and other stuff. ਀ഊ At Pennsic, when we go to get refills for our bottles, we take those ਀瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 琀甀戀攀猀 漀甀琀 愀渀搀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 愀 搀椀猀椀渀昀攀挀琀椀渀最 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 最攀琀 昀爀攀猀栀ഊbottles with freshly disinfected tubes in them. Still, the Chirurgeonate did ਀攀砀瀀爀攀猀猀 猀漀洀攀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 椀氀氀渀攀猀猀攀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 挀漀甀氀搀 琀栀攀漀爀攀琀椀挀愀氀氀礀 戀攀ഊpassed, so I think there is something in the works to make water-bearing ਀氀攀猀猀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 漀爀椀攀渀琀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀     䄀琀 愀渀礀 爀愀琀攀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 眀攀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 搀漀椀渀最 昀漀爀 猀漀 氀漀渀最 渀漀眀 椀猀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀ഊgallon jugs and fill them with water or a 50-50 solution of water and ਀最愀琀漀爀愀搀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 猀琀椀挀欀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 琀甀戀椀渀最 搀漀眀渀 椀渀猀椀搀攀 琀栀攀 栀愀渀搀氀攀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 椀琀ഊeasier for fighters to be able to get a swig of fluid through their helms. ਀匀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀 樀甀猀琀 昀椀渀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀漀渀攀猀琀氀礀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 最攀琀 琀栀愀琀ഊplastic tubing stuff. ਀ഊTHLady Saradwen Ariandalen ਀䴀愀爀挀栀攀 漀昀 䜀眀礀渀琀愀爀椀愀渀ഊ(Akron/Kent, OH) ਀䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: db ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Water Bearer Bottles ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ 　㄀ 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㈀㨀㄀㌀㨀㈀　 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 猀椀氀椀挀漀渀攀 愀搀栀攀猀椀瘀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 愀焀甀愀爀椀甀洀 甀猀攀 洀愀搀攀 戀礀ഊGE and available at most larger hardware stores.. It seems that some expensive ਀攀砀漀琀椀挀 昀椀猀栀 愀爀攀 开瘀攀爀礀开  琀漀甀挀栀礀 眀栀攀渀 椀琀 挀漀洀攀猀 琀漀 猀甀挀栀 琀栀椀渀最猀 ⠀昀愀爀 洀漀爀攀 猀漀 琀栀愀渀ഊhumans). I would have no qualms about drinking from a hose glued into a bottle ਀眀椀琀栀 琀栀愀琀⸀ 伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 氀攀琀 椀琀 搀爀礀 昀漀爀 愀 昀攀眀 搀愀礀猀 昀椀爀猀琀 琀漀 最攀琀ഊall traces of the solvent out of it. ਀ഊdb ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀戀 㰀搀攀愀搀洀漀渀欀 愀琀 栀漀琀洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 圀愀琀攀爀 䈀攀愀爀攀爀 䈀漀琀琀氀攀猀ഊDate: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 12:21:38 -0700 ਀ഊMy suggestion from some time back for sanitary water tubes is to have a plastic ਀琀甀戀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 樀甀猀琀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 猀椀稀攀 昀漀爀 愀 爀攀最甀氀愀爀 搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 猀琀爀愀眀 琀漀 昀椀琀 琀椀最栀琀氀礀ഊinto. Each fighter gets a drink from a new straw, the old one gets tossed into a ਀戀愀最⸀ 䤀昀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 猀琀爀愀眀猀 愀爀攀 甀猀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 戀攀 搀椀猀椀渀昀攀挀琀攀搀 椀渀 戀氀攀愀挀栀 眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀ഊreused. If paper is used, it is biodegradable. For the particularly squeamish, a ਀猀椀洀瀀氀攀 漀渀攀 眀愀礀 瘀愀氀瘀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 椀渀挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 猀礀猀琀攀洀⸀ 䈀甀琀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀ഊpersonally see that as much of a problem. ਀䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 椀搀攀愀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 攀愀挀栀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 挀愀爀爀礀 愀 氀攀愀琀栀攀爀 眀愀琀攀爀 昀氀愀猀欀 愀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 栀椀猀 漀眀渀ഊgear (they can have rubber or plastic bladders in them). Water bearers would ਀琀栀攀渀 昀椀氀氀 甀瀀 昀氀愀猀欀猀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 愀渀 漀瀀攀渀 氀椀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 ∀甀渀猀愀渀椀琀愀爀礀∀ 瀀愀爀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀ഊthe tube on each fighters own flask. ਀ഊdb ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䔀爀椀渀ⴀ䨀漀椀 䌀漀氀氀椀渀猀 䴀挀一攀愀氀 㰀攀爀椀渀樀漀椀 愀琀 栀漀琀洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 圀愀琀攀爀 䈀攀愀爀攀爀 䈀漀琀琀氀攀猀ഊDate: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 16:29:22 -0400 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䔀洀漀爀礀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 眀愀琀挀栀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 琀栀爀攀愀搀 眀椀琀栀 瀀爀漀昀攀猀猀椀漀渀愀氀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀⸀ 䤀 洀甀猀琀ഊput my work out of my mind when I work a battle. (I am a chirurgeon, ਀戀甀琀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀攀愀爀椀渀最⤀ 䴀礀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 椀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊnon-contact version. Here are my reasons... ਀ഊI work with enteric pathogens. These are viruses and other pathogens ਀眀栀椀挀栀 挀愀甀猀攀 愀挀甀琀攀 最愀猀琀爀漀攀渀琀攀爀椀琀椀猀 ⠀爀攀愀搀㨀 搀椀愀爀爀栀攀愀 愀渀搀 瘀漀洀椀琀椀渀最⤀⸀ഊAlthough the primary mode of transmission is fecal-oral (poor hand ਀眀愀猀栀椀渀最⤀Ⰰ 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 瀀愀琀栀漀最攀渀猀 愀爀攀 挀愀爀爀椀攀搀 椀渀 漀琀栀攀爀 最愀猀琀爀椀挀ഊsecretions as well. Vomitus is highly infectious; saliva is ਀椀渀昀攀挀琀椀漀甀猀 琀栀漀甀最栀 渀漀琀 愀猀 栀椀最栀氀礀⸀ 匀漀 猀栀愀爀椀渀最 愀 猀琀爀愀眀⼀琀甀戀攀 攀琀挀⸀ 攀瘀攀渀ഊwith a one way valve is one good way to spread pathogens. Other ਀瀀愀琀栀漀最攀渀猀 猀瀀爀攀愀搀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 漀爀愀氀 猀攀挀爀攀琀椀漀渀猀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 琀栀攀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 挀漀氀搀⸀ ഊ ਀䤀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀 椀琀 眀椀氀氀 琀愀欀攀 愀 眀栀椀氀攀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 眀攀 昀椀渀搀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀ഊnon-contact bottles. The bottles bought for Pennsic which looked ਀眀漀渀搀攀爀昀甀氀 栀愀搀 愀 氀漀甀猀礀 昀氀漀眀 爀愀琀攀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 樀甀猀琀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 眀漀爀欀⸀ 䤀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀 琀栀攀ഊwater bottles with the sports tops. As long as the fighters don't ਀瀀甀琀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 椀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 洀漀甀琀栀猀 琀栀攀礀 猀琀愀礀 猀漀洀攀眀栀愀琀 猀愀渀椀琀愀爀礀⸀ഊAdditionally the waterbearers who refill the bottles must have clean ਀栀愀渀搀猀 琀漀 猀挀爀攀眀 琀栀攀 氀椀搀猀 漀渀 愀昀琀攀爀 爀攀昀椀氀氀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䤀 最甀攀猀猀 琀栀椀猀 攀砀瀀氀愀椀渀猀 眀栀礀 䤀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 猀琀愀礀 漀甀琀 漀昀 挀漀渀瘀攀爀猀愀琀椀漀渀猀 氀椀欀攀ഊthis... ਀ഊTabitha/Master Chirurgeon ਀䔀爀椀渀ⴀ䨀漀椀⼀刀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 匀瀀攀挀椀愀氀椀猀琀Ⰰ 䔀洀漀爀礀 匀挀栀漀漀氀 漀昀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䠀攀愀氀琀栀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Beth ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Water Bearer Bottles ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ 　㄀ 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㄀ ㈀㈀㨀㈀㈀㨀　㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀搀戀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ ਀㸀 䴀礀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 猀漀洀攀 琀椀洀攀 戀愀挀欀 昀漀爀 猀愀渀椀琀愀爀礀 眀愀琀攀爀 琀甀戀攀猀 椀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀ഊ> tube that is just the right size for a regular drinking straw to fit tightly ਀㸀 椀渀琀漀⸀ 䔀愀挀栀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 最攀琀猀 愀 搀爀椀渀欀 昀爀漀洀 愀 渀攀眀 猀琀爀愀眀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 漀氀搀 漀渀攀 最攀琀猀 琀漀猀猀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 ഊ> a bag. If plastic straws are used, they can be disinfected in bleach water and ਀㸀 爀攀甀猀攀搀⸀ 䤀昀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 椀猀 甀猀攀搀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 戀椀漀搀攀最爀愀搀愀戀氀攀⸀ 䘀漀爀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀氀礀 猀焀甀攀愀洀椀猀栀Ⰰഊ> a simple one way valve could be incorporated into the system. But I don't ਀㸀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀 猀攀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀猀 洀甀挀栀 漀昀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀⸀ഊ> Another idea is that each fighter carry a leather water flask as part of his own ਀㸀 最攀愀爀 ⠀琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 栀愀瘀攀 爀甀戀戀攀爀 漀爀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 戀氀愀搀搀攀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀洀⤀⸀ 圀愀琀攀爀 戀攀愀爀攀爀猀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊ> then fill up flasks through an open lid, and the only "unsanitary" part would ਀㸀 戀攀 琀栀攀 琀甀戀攀 漀渀 攀愀挀栀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 漀眀渀 昀氀愀猀欀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 搀戀ഊ ਀䤀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀爀愀眀猀 椀渀猀椀搀攀 琀栀攀 琀甀戀攀⸀ 吀栀攀 漀渀攀 眀愀礀 瘀愀氀瘀攀 猀漀甀渀搀猀 最爀攀愀琀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 䤀 氀漀漀欀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 琀栀愀琀㼀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀椀猀 瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀 琀漀 戀攀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 戀漀琀栀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 愀洀 漀昀昀攀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀猀攀 琀漀 挀愀渀 甀猀攀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀 漀爀 洀漀搀椀昀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 渀攀愀爀 昀甀琀甀爀攀⸀ 匀漀 椀昀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 猀礀猀琀攀洀 戀攀昀漀爀攀栀愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 栀攀氀瀀⸀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀 瀀甀爀挀栀愀猀攀搀 琀栀攀 猀甀瀀瀀氀椀攀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀 礀攀琀⸀ 䤀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 眀栀愀琀 琀漀 搀漀Ⰰ 戀攀昀漀爀攀 猀瀀攀渀搀椀渀最 洀漀渀攀礀 漀渀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 洀椀最栀琀 渀攀攀搀 挀栀愀渀最椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 瘀攀渀琀甀爀攀 琀漀 戀甀礀 琀栀攀 琀甀戀椀渀最Ⰰ 䤀✀氀氀 戀爀椀渀最 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 愀 猀琀爀愀眀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀 琀漀 戀攀 猀甀爀攀 椀琀 眀椀氀氀 昀椀琀 爀椀最栀琀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀爀 椀渀猀椀最栀琀猀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀椀猀⸀ഊBeth ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀戀 㰀搀攀愀搀洀漀渀欀 愀琀 栀漀琀洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 圀愀琀攀爀 䈀攀愀爀攀爀 䈀漀琀琀氀攀猀ഊDate: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:18:46 -0700 ਀ഊDid a bit of looking about. Seems the most likely source for one way valves is an aquarium supply store. There is a small one way valve made to keep water from backing up into the air pump. They cost a couple of bucks and are sized to fit into plastic tubing. ਀ഊShould work. ਀ഊdb ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀刀攀瘀⸀ 䴀椀欀攀 䴀愀爀琀椀渀∀ 㰀氀搀开栀爀漀琀栀最愀爀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 圀愀琀攀爀 䈀攀愀爀攀爀 䈀漀琀琀氀攀猀ഊDate: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:52:23 GMT ਀ഊStefan li Rous wrote: ਀㸀 吀栀攀爀攀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 猀漀洀攀 眀漀渀搀攀爀昀甀氀 戀椀琀猀 漀昀 椀渀昀漀 愀渀搀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 最椀瘀攀渀ഊ> here. Many of these talk about using plastic tubes. I believe that ਀㸀 洀愀渀礀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 愀爀攀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 愀眀愀礀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 愀渀搀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀眀愀爀搀 琀栀攀 挀愀瀀猀ഊ> with the little plugs that you pull out (they are captive to the caps) ਀㸀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 猀焀甀椀爀琀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 愀 昀愀挀攀 最爀椀氀氀⸀ 吀栀攀 愀搀瘀愀渀琀愀最攀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊ ਀ 匀漀爀爀礀Ⰰ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 礀漀甀 洀攀愀渀琀 琀漀 猀愀礀 ∀⸀⸀⸀ 攀愀猀椀氀礀 猀漀愀欀 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀ഊthey can't get the stream aimed at their mouth through a bar grill ਀眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 椀琀 猀瀀氀愀猀栀椀渀最 愀氀氀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀挀攀⸀⸀⸀∀ 愀渀搀 眀攀 眀漀渀✀琀 攀瘀攀渀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀ഊthe guys will full face helms. ਀ഊ> unlike the tube, there is no transfer of any diseases from one fighter ਀㸀 琀漀 琀栀攀 渀攀砀琀⸀ഊ ਀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 ⠀眀椀琀栀 猀琀爀愀眀⤀ഊand mark it with a sharpie "This belongs to FOO who is SICK, do NOT use ਀琀栀椀猀 甀渀氀攀猀猀 夀伀唀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 戀攀 匀䤀䌀䬀 琀漀漀℀∀ 愀渀搀 渀漀戀漀搀礀 琀漀甀挀栀攀搀 攀洀⸀⸀⸀ 琀栀攀礀ഊdidn't drink out of any other bottle... all was well. ਀ഊ Hrothgar ਀ⴀⴀഊRev. Mike Martin Lord Hrothgar the Smith ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀洀攀洀戀攀爀猀⸀栀漀洀攀⸀渀攀琀⼀洀洀愀爀琀椀渀㄀㌀㤀⼀ഊscribere jussit amor ਀ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 眀愀琀攀爀ⴀ猀礀洀戀漀氀猀ഊDate: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:31:08 -0600 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䌀栀愀爀氀攀渀攀 䌀栀愀爀攀琀琀攀 㰀挀栀愀爀氀攀渀攀 愀琀 昀氀愀猀栀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: ਀ഊCAC wrote: ਀㸀 䌀愀渀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 愀 氀椀渀欀 眀栀攀爀攀 䤀 挀愀渀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀ⴀ戀攀愀爀椀渀最 猀礀洀戀漀氀ഊ> for our group? Being computer illiterate, I can't seem to find it on ਀㸀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 猀椀琀攀⸀ 吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀⸀ഊ ਀䜀漀 琀漀㨀  栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀最漀氀搀攀渀猀琀愀最⸀渀攀琀⼀䴀椀猀挀匀䌀䄀⼀伀昀昀椀挀攀爀䈀愀搀最攀猀⸀栀琀洀ഊ ਀匀挀爀漀氀氀 搀漀眀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ∀眀愀琀攀爀 戀攀愀爀攀爀猀∀ 戀愀搀最攀 ⴀ 椀琀✀猀 眀栀椀琀攀 ☀ 戀氀甀攀 愀渀搀 氀漀漀欀猀ഊlike a drop of water. ਀ഊWarning: this page is graphics intensive and took awhile to load. ਀ഊ--Perronnelle ਀ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 眀愀琀攀爀ⴀ猀礀洀戀漀氀猀ഊDate: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:07:42 -0600 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䌀栀椀愀爀愀∀ 㰀挀栀椀愀爀愀 愀琀 椀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: ਀ഊThe new webminister of the society has his own personal site of these: ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀攀愀猀琀欀椀渀最搀漀洀⸀漀爀最⼀眀攀戀⼀最爀愀瀀栀椀挀猀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀匀椀渀挀攀爀攀氀礀ⰀഊFranchesca Havas ਀䴀挀䬀椀渀渀攀礀Ⰰ 吀攀砀愀猀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Lou Burgin [AMBERLEA at peoplepc.com] ਀匀攀渀琀㨀 吀甀攀猀搀愀礀Ⰰ 䨀甀氀礀 ㄀㘀Ⰰ ㈀　　㈀ 㔀㨀㐀㈀ 倀䴀ഊTo: ansteorra at ansteorra.org ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 圀䄀吀䔀刀 ☀ 䜀䄀吀伀刀䄀䐀䔀ഊ ਀䤀 愀洀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 愀搀搀 洀礀 ㈀ 挀攀渀琀猀 栀攀爀攀⸀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 愀渀搀 琀愀甀最栀琀ഊmany classes on the care and feeding of the fighter. In a normally healthy ਀栀甀洀愀渀Ⰰ 眀愀琀攀爀 椀猀 愀氀氀 礀漀甀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀⸀ 吀栀攀 琀爀漀甀戀氀攀 椀猀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 琀漀 搀爀椀渀欀ഊplain water. Sports drinks are expensive, and should be served 1/2 strength ਀琀漀 爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 戀漀搀礀 渀攀攀搀猀⸀ 䤀 愀氀猀漀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 氀攀洀漀渀愀搀攀⸀ 䤀琀 栀愀猀ഊthe citrus to help the body maintain electrolyte balance, is mostly water, ਀猀甀最愀爀 昀漀爀 攀渀攀爀最礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 欀漀漀氀愀椀搀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀礀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 椀渀攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀⸀  ഊ ਀䠀⸀䔀⸀ 䄀洀戀攀爀䰀攀愀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Morgan Cain (Ansteorra) [morgancain at earthlink.net] ਀匀攀渀琀㨀 吀甀攀猀搀愀礀Ⰰ 䨀甀氀礀 ㄀㘀Ⰰ ㈀　　㈀ ㄀㄀㨀㌀㈀ 倀䴀ഊTo: ansteorra at ansteorra.org ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 圀䄀吀䔀刀 ☀ 䜀䄀吀伀刀䄀䐀䔀 ഊ ਀䄀氀椀渀愀 愀猀欀攀搀㨀ഊ> Stupid question but I'll ask anyway. ਀㸀ഊ> Why gatorade? ਀ഊAs a very experienced waterbearer and former fighter, I will echo what many ਀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀愀瘀攀 猀愀椀搀㨀  椀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 猀甀最愀爀Ⰰ 猀愀氀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀椀渀攀爀愀氀猀Ⰰഊparticularly potassium, in Gatorade, Powerade, and the other "sports drinks" ਀琀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 洀愀搀攀 琀栀攀洀 搀攀 爀椀最攀甀爀 昀漀爀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 礀漀甀 搀漀渀✀琀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 琀愀猀琀攀 漀昀 䜀愀琀漀爀愀搀攀Ⰰ 搀漀渀✀琀 搀爀椀渀欀 椀琀⸀  伀爀 琀爀礀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊflavours; I think lemon-lime and orange are the easiest to get in the large, ਀挀栀攀愀瀀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀椀攀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 眀栀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 琀攀渀搀 琀漀 甀猀攀 琀栀漀猀攀⸀  倀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀ഊonly one I can tolerate at all is Lemon Ice; all the rest are too nasty to ਀挀栀漀欀攀 搀漀眀渀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀渀 椀昀 䤀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 渀攀攀搀 椀琀⸀  䄀猀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀愀瘀攀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 猀琀甀昀昀ഊhalf-strength. When fighters are on the field and drinking a lot, they need ਀琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 洀漀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀甀氀氀ⴀ猀琀爀攀渀最琀栀 挀愀渀 最椀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀漀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀椀渀攀爀愀氀猀ഊetc. Yes, as some people pointed out, there are those who like to drink ਀瀀椀挀欀氀攀 樀甀椀挀攀Ⰰ 猀漀 搀漀渀✀琀 搀甀洀瀀 椀琀 漀甀琀 眀栀攀渀 瀀甀氀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀猀 昀漀爀 猀渀愀挀欀猀⸀ഊKeep it in the jar so it's easy to find when someone comes looking. ਀ഊSome people prefer sekanjabin, which is basically a syrup of vinegar and ਀猀甀最愀爀 愀渀搀 洀椀渀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 洀漀猀琀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 搀爀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 猀琀甀昀昀 眀椀琀栀 瀀漀琀愀猀猀椀甀洀 愀渀搀ഊother minerals. Of course, you should also have solid forms such as ਀瀀爀攀琀稀攀氀猀Ⰰ 漀爀愀渀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀椀挀欀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 昀甀渀搀猀Ⰰ 洀攀氀漀渀 愀渀搀 最爀愀瀀攀猀 欀攀瀀琀ഊon ice will be VERY popular if the sun and temperature are both up. ਀ഊBe sure to have plenty of water, too! I know that sounds obvious, but at ਀猀漀洀攀 猀椀琀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 瀀漀漀爀 瀀氀甀洀戀椀渀最Ⰰ 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 戀爀椀渀最 椀渀 攀渀漀甀最栀 昀爀攀猀栀 眀愀琀攀爀 琀漀ഊkeep everybody going. Not just the fighters, be sure the waterbearers water ਀琀栀攀 洀愀爀猀栀愀氀氀猀 ⴀ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀℀  䤀✀瘀攀 琀愀甀最栀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀Ⰰഊthat the rule is one-to-three (easy to remember!) - you take one drink for ਀攀瘀攀爀礀 琀栀爀攀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 最攀琀 愀 搀爀椀渀欀 昀爀漀洀 礀漀甀⸀  䄀渀搀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 搀爀椀渀欀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 礀漀甀ഊput up the jugs, for example if there is a "waterbearers in" during a melee, ਀眀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 挀漀洀攀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀Ⰰ 最攀琀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 猀眀椀渀最⸀  䤀琀✀猀 漀渀攀 琀栀椀渀最 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀ഊfighters go down from the heat - it's embarrassing when the waterbearers do ਀椀琀⸀  㰀䜀㸀ഊ ਀                                            ⴀⴀⴀ㴀 䴀漀爀最愀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: L T [ldeerslayer at yahoo.com] ਀匀攀渀琀㨀 圀攀搀渀攀猀搀愀礀Ⰰ 䨀甀氀礀 ㄀㜀Ⰰ ㈀　　㈀ ㄀㄀㨀㈀㐀 䄀䴀ഊTo: ansteorra at ansteorra.org ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 䐀攀栀礀搀爀愀琀椀漀渀ഊ ਀䰀漀漀欀椀渀最 戀爀椀攀昀氀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 眀攀戀⸀⸀⸀⠀琀栀漀甀最栀 渀漀琀 琀栀愀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 礀漀甀ഊread on the web is true...) on sports medicine sites ਀挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 琀栀攀漀爀礀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀㨀ഊ ਀椀渀 爀攀最愀爀搀猀 琀漀 搀攀栀礀搀爀愀琀椀漀渀㨀ഊ ਀圀愀琀攀爀 椀猀 昀椀渀攀 昀漀爀 ㄀ 栀漀甀爀 漀爀 甀渀搀攀爀 漀昀 攀砀攀爀挀椀猀攀ഊafter that you need to alternate an electolyte ਀猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 眀愀琀攀爀 漀爀 琀愀欀攀 椀渀 攀氀攀挀琀爀漀氀礀琀攀猀 眀椀琀栀ഊyour water (i.e. pickles, oranges, etc) ਀ഊapparently when the electolytes are out of balance ਀漀甀爀 戀漀搀椀攀猀 搀漀 渀漀琀 愀戀猀漀爀戀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 琀栀攀礀 猀栀漀甀氀搀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀礀 愀氀猀漀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀昀昀椀渀攀 愀渀搀 愀氀挀漀栀漀氀 ⠀漀爀 愀渀礀ഊdiaretic) intake should be stopped 24 hours before heavy exercise.... ਀⠀氀椀欀攀 䤀 猀攀攀 吀䠀䄀吀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀椀渀最⸀⸀⸀攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 愀琀 眀愀爀⸀⸀⸀ 㬀⤀ഊsince those promote dehydration... ਀ഊPotassium toxicity is rare even amongst the most active of atheletes. ਀䤀琀 搀漀攀猀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀 琀栀漀甀最栀⸀⸀⸀攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 椀渀 爀攀愀挀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 猀漀洀攀 洀攀搀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀ഊand risk increases if you have any impairment of the kidneys ਀⠀椀⸀攀⸀ 欀椀搀渀攀礀 搀椀猀攀愀猀攀Ⰰ 愀氀挀漀栀漀氀 挀漀渀猀甀洀瀀琀椀漀渀⸀⸀⸀攀琀挀⤀ഊ ਀椀琀✀猀 猀礀洀瀀琀漀洀猀 愀爀攀㨀ഊmuscle fatigue and cardiac arrythmia... ਀ഊLorraine ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 吀甀洀瀀 䰀愀椀爀搀 嬀琀氀愀椀爀搀 愀琀 猀愀琀砀⸀爀爀⸀挀漀洀崀ഊSent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:08 PM ਀吀漀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊSubject: [Ansteorra] dehydration-Gatorade-water ਀ഊIt is difficult to get a lot of fighters to do this, but hydration BEFORE ਀琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 猀琀愀爀琀猀 椀猀 洀漀猀琀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀⸀ 䤀 猀琀愀爀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㈀ 栀漀甀爀猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀ഊfirst battle and slowly drink 2-3 quarts, half Gatorade and half water, and ਀搀爀椀渀欀 攀瘀攀爀礀 琀椀洀攀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀攀愀爀攀爀猀 挀漀洀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀⸀ ⠀䤀 愀洀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀ഊdehydrated from the previous nights revel, as well as not being in the best ਀瀀栀礀猀椀挀愀氀 挀漀渀搀椀琀椀漀渀ⴀ爀攀愀搀 昀愀琀 愀渀搀 㐀㈀⤀ 䤀昀 䤀 洀愀椀渀琀愀椀渀 琀栀椀猀 爀椀琀甀愀氀Ⰰ 䤀 挀愀渀 昀椀最栀琀ഊin all the battles, all day long. If I don't, I fall out of the first, and ਀眀椀氀氀 戀攀 挀漀洀戀愀琀 椀渀攀昀昀攀挀琀椀瘀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀⸀  倀甀猀栀 琀栀攀 氀椀焀甀椀搀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀ഊearly. At Gulf War I got reminded, even ordered by one unit commander to ਀搀爀椀渀欀 瀀氀攀渀琀礀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 戀愀琀琀氀攀猀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀甀爀爀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀渀攀猀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀ഊfeel a little bloated, and need to privy at least once every hour, then you ਀洀椀最栀琀 樀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 攀渀漀甀最栀⸀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 氀攀愀爀渀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 氀攀猀猀漀渀 琀栀攀 栀愀爀搀 眀愀礀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀ഊonce when I was in the infantry. ਀ഊBotolf the Dane ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㤀 䄀甀最 ㈀　　㈀ ㈀　㨀㌀㘀㨀㈀㄀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: johnna holloway ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] food-grade water hose? ਀ഊCall your local health department and ask if they have a source. ਀ഊOr Google search under the following: ਀∀昀漀漀搀 最爀愀搀攀∀ 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 眀愀琀攀爀 栀漀猀攀ഊfound several... they aren't cheap-- ਀ഊActually I would call the RV shops in the area and talk to them. You ਀渀攀攀搀 琀栀攀猀攀 猀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 栀漀猀攀猀 昀漀爀 氀漀愀搀椀渀最 搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀ഊwhen refilling the tanks on trailers and RV units. ਀ഊJohnna Holloway Johnnae llyn Lewis ਀ഊjenne at fiedlerfamily.net wrote:> Help?> ਀㸀 圀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 戀甀渀挀栀 漀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀愀椀渀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 椀昀 眀攀 甀猀攀 愀 爀攀最甀氀愀爀 栀漀猀攀 琀漀ഊ> bring water to the field for our big events, it tastes 'off' and funny. ਀㸀 匀漀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 挀愀渀 眀攀 最攀琀 昀漀漀搀ⴀ最爀愀搀攀 栀漀猀攀猀 ⠀漀瘀攀爀 ㄀㔀　 昀攀攀琀 眀漀爀琀栀⤀㼀ഊ> -- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa ਀ഊ ਀吀漀㨀 匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊDate: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:06:55 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀漀爀最愀渀愀 䄀戀戀攀礀 㰀洀漀爀最愀渀愀⸀愀戀戀攀礀 愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] food-grade water hoses ਀ഊAlternative: rather than running about for such a hose, get an inline ਀眀愀琀攀爀 昀椀氀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 愀搀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀琀漀 礀漀甀爀 眀愀琀攀爀 猀甀瀀瀀氀礀 猀攀琀ⴀ甀瀀⸀  圀攀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀ഊusing this set-up at Pennsic and various outdoor events for several ਀礀攀愀爀猀⸀  䨀甀猀琀 戀攀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀 昀椀氀琀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 愀渀 漀瀀愀焀甀攀 栀漀甀猀椀渀最 漀爀 洀愀欀攀 愀ഊ"cozy" for it. ਀ഊMorgana ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀爀愀挀漀 匀漀洀渀甀猀∀ 㰀搀爀愀挀漀猀漀洀渀甀猀 愀琀 欀愀琀猀瀀椀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ 　㤀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㈀ 　㠀㨀㐀㜀㨀㐀㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] marriage proposals ਀ഊA million years ago, when I was a waterbearer, the joke was that we could ਀琀攀氀氀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 琀攀洀瀀 眀攀渀琀 漀瘀攀爀 琀爀椀瀀氀攀 搀椀最椀琀猀⸀ 伀甀爀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 瀀爀漀瀀漀猀愀氀猀ഊinclined sharply. ਀ഊLann ਀䐀爀愀挀漀匀漀洀渀甀猀 匀琀甀搀椀漀猀ഊWeaving Spinning and Costuming ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ 㤀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㈀ 　㤀㨀　㐀㨀㐀㌀ ⴀ　㔀　　 ⠀䌀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] marriage proposals ਀ഊ> According to my girls, this is still true. Nothing quite like a sweaty ਀㸀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 愀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 琀攀攀渀愀最攀搀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 栀甀最攀⸀⸀⸀ 眀愀琀攀爀戀漀琀琀氀攀猀⸀ 㬀ⴀ䐀⤀ഊ> ਀㸀 ✀䰀愀椀渀椀攀ഊ ਀䴀漀猀琀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀攀氀礀⸀ 䄀渀搀 礀漀甀 搀漀渀✀琀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀Ⰰ 琀攀攀渀愀最攀搀Ⰰ 漀爀 昀攀洀愀氀攀 琀漀ഊget a proposal when it's hot enough. I heard at least one fighter propose ਀琀漀 琀栀攀 最甀礀 挀愀爀爀礀椀渀最 琀栀攀 戀漀眀氀 漀昀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀猀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 礀攀愀爀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀爀最愀爀攀琀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:43:24 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀倀栀氀椀瀀∀ 㰀瀀栀氀椀瀀 愀琀 㤀㤀洀愀椀渀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] Sugar free sports drink alternative ਀吀漀㨀 㰀匀䌀䄀ⴀ䌀栀椀爀甀爀最攀漀渀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀挀漀洀㸀Ⰰ ∀匀䌀䄀ⴀ䌀漀漀欀猀∀ഊ , ਀䌀挀㨀 䔀䬀䌀漀漀欀猀䜀甀椀氀搀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀挀漀洀Ⰰ 吀爀椀洀愀爀椀猀挀漀漀欀猀氀椀猀琀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀挀漀洀Ⰰഊ mk-cooks at midrealm.org, SCAFoodandFeasts at yahoogroups.com ਀ഊTo bring all interested parties up to speed, the recipe following is one I ਀爀攀挀✀搀 昀爀漀洀 伀猀琀最愀爀搀爀 䰀椀猀琀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 搀愀礀猀 愀最漀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀搀 戀礀 匀椀爀 伀洀愀爀愀搀ഊof the Middle Kingdom, and I forwarded it on to Chirurgeon's List, to get ਀挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀猀 愀 栀攀愀搀猀 甀瀀 椀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 甀猀椀渀最 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 瀀漀椀渀琀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 猀漀洀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 愀氀氀攀爀最椀挀 漀爀 猀攀渀猀椀琀椀瘀攀 琀漀ഊalternative sweeteners, so I attempted to find out what the sweetener was in ਀匀甀最愀爀 䘀爀攀攀 䬀漀漀氀ⴀ䄀椀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 最漀琀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 爀攀瀀氀礀 昀爀漀洀 䬀爀愀昀琀 䘀漀漀搀猀㨀ഊ ਀∀䬀漀漀氀ⴀ䄀椀搀 洀椀砀攀搀 搀爀椀渀欀 椀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 椀渀 愀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀礀 漀昀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀猀 愀渀搀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 昀漀爀洀猀ഊincluding unsweetened, presweetened with sugar and presweetened with ਀一甀琀爀愀匀眀攀攀琀 ⸀ ∀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 漀渀攀 ⠀甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最Ⰰ 䤀✀氀氀 搀爀椀渀欀 眀愀琀攀爀ⴀഊdislike artificial flavors, no matter how they're sweetened), and I think ਀琀栀愀琀 椀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 焀甀椀琀攀 甀猀攀昀甀氀 琀漀 漀甀爀 搀椀愀戀攀琀椀挀猀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 漀琀栀攀爀猀Ⰰ 椀昀 琀栀攀礀ഊmodify it to use the unsweetened Kool-Aid and the sweetener of their choice. ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 洀愀欀攀 愀戀猀漀氀甀琀攀氀礀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 甀猀攀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀ഊrecipients are aware that you're using an artificial sweetener, and which ਀漀渀攀ⴀ 眀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 渀攀攀搀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 搀爀漀瀀瀀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀 椀渀 愀渀愀瀀栀愀氀愀挀琀椀挀 猀栀漀挀欀℀℀℀℀ഊ ਀䠀攀氀攀渀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 瀀愀猀猀 琀栀椀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 匀椀爀 伀洀愀爀愀搀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 椀猀ഊreminded to tell people that they're getting an artificial sweetener. ਀ഊAnd, please, always remember, that we dilute Gatorade to 50% strength, ਀戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 圀䄀吀䔀刀 椀猀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀ഊ> A recipe for home-made sugar-free Gatorade substitute came over another list ਀㸀 琀栀椀猀 洀漀爀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 挀爀攀搀椀琀攀搀 琀漀 匀椀爀 伀洀愀爀愀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀⸀ഊ> -Helen/Aidan ਀㸀ഊ>> "I had researched sugar free sports drinks before and had come up with a lot ਀㸀㸀 漀昀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀氀氀 栀愀搀 愀 氀漀琀 椀渀 挀漀洀洀漀渀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀 攀猀椀攀猀琀 䤀 挀愀渀 昀椀渀搀 愀渀搀ഊ>> very closely resembles commercial gatorade/powerade without the sugar. The ਀㸀㸀 倀漀琀愀猀猀椀甀洀 挀愀渀 愀氀猀漀 戀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 椀渀 猀愀氀琀 猀甀戀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀 最爀漀挀攀爀礀 猀琀漀爀攀 漀爀ഊ>> Potassium tablets can usually be found at any vitamin isle. Even Wal-mart ਀㸀㸀 挀愀爀爀椀攀猀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊ>> ਀㸀㸀 匀唀䜀䄀刀ⴀ䘀刀䔀䔀 ∀匀倀伀刀吀匀 䐀刀䤀一䬀∀ഊ>> 1 packet or container sugar-free drink mix like Kool-aid (enough to make 2 ਀㸀㸀 焀琀猀⤀ഊ>> 1/4 tsp table salt (sodium chloride) ਀㸀㸀 㐀 瀀漀琀愀猀猀椀甀洀 琀愀戀氀攀琀猀 ⠀㤀㤀 洀最 攀愀挀栀⤀ 漀爀 猀愀氀琀 猀甀戀⸀ 攀焀甀椀瘀愀氀攀渀琀ഊ>> 2 quarts water ਀㸀㸀ഊ>> Take about 1/4 cup of the water and put in a cup with the potassium tablets. ਀㸀㸀 䠀攀愀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀挀爀漀眀愀瘀攀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 最攀琀猀 挀氀漀猀攀 琀漀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最⸀ 匀琀椀爀 琀漀ഊ>> dissolve the tablets. Add the salt and stir. ਀㸀㸀 倀甀琀 琀栀攀 搀爀椀渀欀 洀椀砀 椀渀 愀 瀀椀琀挀栀攀爀Ⰰ 愀搀搀 眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀琀椀爀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 搀爀椀渀欀 洀椀砀 椀猀ഊ>> dissolved. Add the salt/potassium solution and mix thoroughly. Chill. ਀㸀㸀 倀攀爀 㠀ⴀ漀稀 猀攀爀瘀椀渀最㨀ഊ>> 5 cal, about 75 mg sodium, 50 mg potassium. ਀㸀㸀 吀漀 挀漀洀瀀愀爀攀 琀漀 漀琀栀攀爀 搀爀椀渀欀猀㨀ഊ>> -------------- Sodium ----- Potassium ਀㸀㸀 䜀愀琀漀爀愀搀攀㨀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ ㄀㄀　 洀最 ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ ㌀　 洀最ഊ>> All Sport:----- 55 mg ------- 50 mg ਀㸀㸀 倀漀眀攀爀䄀搀攀㨀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ 㔀㔀 洀最 ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ ㌀　 洀最∀ഊ ਀匀愀椀渀琀 倀栀氀椀瀀ⰀഊCoD ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㌀　 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㔀 　　㨀㌀㠀㨀㄀㌀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: "Phlip" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 刀䔀㨀 匀甀最愀爀 昀爀攀攀 猀瀀漀爀琀猀 搀爀椀渀欀 愀氀琀攀爀渀愀琀椀瘀攀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊ> Have you tasted halved Gatorade? It's nasty. ਀ഊIt's nasty, no matter what strength you have it. When it starts tasting ਀最漀漀搀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 䬀一伀圀 礀漀甀✀爀攀 搀攀栀礀搀爀愀琀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀漀漀搀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 搀漀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 栀愀氀瘀攀 琀栀攀 䜀愀琀漀爀愀搀攀⸀ 伀渀氀礀 ഊ> reason is if you are trying to save money. ਀ഊUnfortunately, that is NOT the case. Gatorade, as it stands, provides too ਀洀甀挀栀 猀甀最愀爀 愀渀搀 洀椀渀攀爀愀氀猀⸀ 圀栀愀琀 礀漀甀爀 戀漀搀礀 椀猀 挀爀愀瘀椀渀最 椀猀 眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 瀀甀爀攀 愀渀搀ഊsimple. Unfortunately, plain water is not something many people will drink ਀眀椀氀氀椀渀最氀礀ⴀ 琀栀攀礀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 甀瀀 琀漀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀 猀甀最愀爀礀 猀眀攀攀琀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀攀搀ഊstuff tastes good, so that's what they think they want when they're thirsty. ਀ഊAnd, contrary to the school of opinion that thinks that a shortage of ਀攀氀攀挀琀爀漀氀礀琀攀猀 挀愀渀 氀攀愀搀 琀漀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀椀爀挀甀洀猀琀愀渀挀攀猀 甀渀搀攀爀 眀栀椀挀栀ഊelectrolyte shortage have been reported are far more extreme than our ਀昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀ⴀ 氀椀欀攀Ⰰ 琀漀眀愀爀搀猀 琀栀攀 攀渀搀 漀昀 愀 栀漀琀 猀甀洀洀攀爀✀猀 洀愀爀愀琀栀漀渀ⴀ 愀渀搀ഊeven then, most of the runners need water, rather than the electrolytes. A ਀戀愀氀愀渀挀攀搀 搀椀攀琀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀渀琀礀 漀昀 眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 渀漀 栀愀渀最漀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀礀 搀攀挀攀渀琀ഊphysical condition are basically all our fighters need to battle to their ਀栀攀愀爀琀✀猀 挀漀渀琀攀渀琀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 眀攀爀攀 琀漀 挀漀洀攀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 倀漀椀渀琀 眀栀攀渀 眀攀✀爀攀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 爀甀渀ഊon heat stress victims, you'll discover, if you ask them, that every last ਀漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 漀爀 猀瀀攀挀琀愀琀漀爀Ⰰ 漀爀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀 瀀愀猀猀攀爀猀 戀礀 栀愀猀 猀栀漀爀琀攀搀ഊthemselves on at least one, and frequently more, of those things. You're ਀昀椀渀攀Ⰰ 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 搀漀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 搀漀渀✀琀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀 猀琀爀攀猀猀ഊyour body with high unaccustomed environmental heat and lots of unaccustomed ਀攀砀攀爀挀椀猀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 礀漀甀✀氀氀 戀攀 愀 瀀愀琀椀攀渀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀愀欀攀 挀愀爀攀 漀昀 礀漀甀爀猀攀氀昀ⴀ 愀渀搀ഊwater is frequently the key. ਀ഊ> And there is a reason for having the water available along with the ਀㸀 猀瀀漀爀琀猀 搀爀椀渀欀⸀ഊ ਀夀攀瀀⸀ 䐀椀愀戀攀琀椀挀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 氀椀欀攀 洀攀 眀栀漀 搀漀渀✀琀 氀椀欀攀 猀甀最愀爀攀搀 搀爀椀渀欀猀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 匀漀 䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 礀漀甀爀 猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀猀 爀攀愀猀漀渀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀匀琀甀搀礀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀Ⰰ 愀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 礀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀✀洀 挀栀攀挀欀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 愀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀 戀礀 琀栀攀 洀愀欀攀爀猀 漀昀 䔀洀攀爀✀最攀渀ⴀ䌀⸀ 䤀琀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀猀 渀漀ഊ> sugars but I'm looking into what is the substitute. ਀㸀ഊ> Lyse ਀㸀ഊ> -----Original Message----- ਀㸀 䄀渀搀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀Ⰰ 愀氀眀愀礀猀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 搀椀氀甀琀攀 䜀愀琀漀爀愀搀攀 琀漀 㔀　─ 猀琀爀攀渀最琀栀Ⰰഊ> because WATER is the most important ingredient. ਀ഊSaint Phlip, ਀䌀漀䐀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:01:28 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀漀栀渀 䬀攀洀欀攀爀 㰀樀漀栀渀 愀琀 欀攀洀欀攀爀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] RE: Sugar free sports drink alternative ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀漀琀猀椀猀琀漀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> I'm checking into a product by the makers of Emer'gen-C. It contains no ਀㸀 猀甀最愀爀猀 戀甀琀 䤀✀洀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 眀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 猀甀戀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䰀礀猀攀ഊ ਀䄀氀愀挀攀爀 ⠀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀氀愀挀攀爀挀漀爀瀀⸀挀漀洀⤀ 䔀氀攀挀琀爀漀ⴀ䴀䤀堀 栀愀猀 渀漀 猀甀最愀爀猀 漀爀ഊsubstitutes, unless you consider Chromium aspartate the substitute. It ਀栀愀猀 渀漀 眀愀爀渀椀渀最 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀椀渀最 ∀倀栀攀渀礀氀欀攀琀漀渀甀爀椀挀猀∀ 漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀栀攀渀礀氀愀氀愀渀椀渀攀ഊwarnings. ਀ഊI've used it. Have a box sitting right here on my desk. It's not sweet ਀愀琀 愀氀氀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 琀愀爀琀⸀  倀甀挀欀攀爀礀⸀  嘀攀爀礀 猀愀琀椀猀昀礀椀渀最 眀栀攀渀 䤀✀洀 攀砀琀爀攀洀攀氀礀ഊthirsty and need to rehydrate quickly. As a diabetic, it's been my ਀∀猀瀀漀爀琀猀 搀爀椀渀欀∀ 漀昀 挀栀漀椀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀椀爀 眀攀戀 猀椀琀攀 猀愀礀猀 琀栀攀 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀猀 愀爀攀 ∀䌀椀琀爀椀挀 䄀挀椀搀Ⰰ 倀漀琀愀猀猀椀甀洀ഊBicarbonate, Calcium, Magnesium and Potassium Carbonates, Malic Acid, ਀䴀愀最渀攀猀椀甀洀 栀礀搀爀漀砀椀搀攀Ⰰ 䴀愀渀最愀渀攀猀攀 䜀氀甀挀漀渀愀琀攀Ⰰ 䌀栀爀漀洀椀甀洀 䄀猀瀀愀爀琀愀琀攀Ⰰ 一愀琀甀爀愀氀ഊFlavors." ਀ഊ--Cian ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㌀　 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㔀 ㄀　㨀㌀㤀㨀㌀㔀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: lilinah at earthlink.net ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 匀甀最愀爀 昀爀攀攀 猀瀀漀爀琀猀 搀爀椀渀欀 愀氀琀攀爀渀愀琀椀瘀攀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀ഊI only drink Gatorade or its analogs when i actually *need* it. It ਀椀猀渀✀琀 洀攀愀渀琀 琀漀 戀攀 愀渀 漀爀搀椀渀愀爀礀 戀攀瘀攀爀愀最攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀漀 戀攀 搀爀甀渀欀 愀昀琀攀爀 最爀攀愀琀ഊphysical exertion or in a situation with extreme (and i mean extreme) ਀栀攀愀琀 漀爀 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 漀渀攀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 瀀攀爀猀瀀椀爀椀渀最 攀砀挀攀猀猀椀瘀攀氀礀 ⠀愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 渀漀琀ഊjust a question of personal comfort). ਀ഊFolks who think it tastes nasty have no need of it, not that it's ਀猀漀洀攀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 漀瀀琀椀漀渀⸀ 䤀昀 䜀愀琀漀爀愀搀攀 琀愀猀琀攀猀 戀愀搀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最ഊwater or juice, not Gatorade. ਀ഊWhen Gatorade tastes good or innocuous, that's when you may actually ਀渀攀攀搀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀䴀攀爀攀氀礀 戀攀椀渀最 椀渀 愀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 甀渀瀀氀攀愀猀愀渀琀氀礀 栀漀琀 漀爀 挀愀甀猀椀渀最 礀漀甀 琀漀ഊperspire may not actually be extreme enough to cause you to *need* ਀䜀愀琀漀爀愀搀攀⸀ 夀漀甀 洀愀礀 戀攀 甀渀挀漀洀昀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 礀漀甀 洀愀礀 戀攀 昀椀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 渀攀攀搀攀搀 䜀愀琀漀爀愀搀攀 漀爀 椀琀猀 愀渀愀氀漀最 愀 昀攀眀 琀椀洀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀唀渀琀椀氀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 椀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀渀 愀挀琀漀爀 愀琀 刀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀 昀愀椀爀猀 椀渀ഊCalifornia, both the big mother-of-all-fairs, and small fairs, and ਀猀洀愀氀氀 昀愀椀爀猀 椀渀 一攀瘀愀搀愀⸀ 圀攀 愀爀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 栀礀搀爀愀琀攀搀 ⴀ 眀攀ഊjust drink water or lemonade (ok, some others drink alcohol to ਀攀砀挀攀猀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 洀攀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䄀琀 ∀琀栀攀 戀椀最 昀愀椀爀∀ 椀渀 一漀䌀愀氀 ⠀渀漀眀 搀攀愀搀 愀渀搀 最漀渀攀⤀ 眀攀 栀愀搀 愀 昀攀眀 眀攀攀欀攀渀搀猀ഊover 100 F. That actually doesn't bother me terribly if i'm in a ਀氀漀漀猀攀 猀甀洀洀攀爀 搀爀攀猀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀渀 琀栀椀最栀 栀椀最栀 挀漀琀琀漀渀 猀漀挀欀猀Ⰰ 戀攀氀漀眀ⴀ欀渀攀攀 挀漀琀琀漀渀ഊbloomers (not period but to keep the dust out...), a farthingale, two ਀猀欀椀爀琀猀Ⰰ 氀椀渀攀渀 猀栀椀昀琀Ⰰ 挀漀爀猀攀琀Ⰰ 戀漀搀椀挀攀 ⠀氀椀渀攀搀Ⰰ 椀渀琀攀爀氀椀渀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀漀渀攀搀⤀ഊwith long sleeves, coif and hat, it can get a bit warm. We had a big ਀搀爀椀渀欀 搀椀猀瀀攀渀猀攀爀 ∀戀愀挀欀ⴀ猀琀愀最攀∀ 眀椀琀栀 愀 䜀愀琀漀爀愀搀攀 愀渀愀氀漀最⸀ 圀攀 眀攀爀攀ഊencouraged to taste it occasionally. If it tasted bad, we were ਀攀渀挀漀甀爀愀最攀搀 琀漀 搀爀椀渀欀 眀愀琀攀爀⸀ 䤀昀 椀琀 琀愀猀琀攀搀 最漀漀搀 漀爀 椀渀渀漀挀甀漀甀猀Ⰰ 眀攀 眀攀爀攀ഊencouraged to drink it until it tasted bad. ਀ഊOnce at the Las Vegas fair, i was sure i'd been hydrating properly. ਀䄀昀琀攀爀 昀愀椀爀Ⰰ 漀甀爀 ∀最甀椀氀搀∀ 最漀琀 椀渀琀漀 漀甀爀 洀甀渀搀愀渀攀猀 愀渀搀 眀攀渀琀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀ഊdinner. I mentioned to the guy who was giving me a ride that i was ਀琀栀椀爀猀琀礀⸀ 䠀攀 漀昀昀攀爀攀搀 䜀愀琀漀爀愀搀攀Ⰰ 椀 爀攀樀攀挀琀攀搀 椀琀Ⰰ 栀攀 猀愀椀搀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 愀 琀愀猀琀攀ഊ- it was orange. I said, gee, that's odd, i don't remember Gatorade ਀琀愀猀琀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 眀愀琀攀爀攀搀ⴀ搀漀眀渀 吀愀渀最⸀ 䠀攀 攀渀挀漀甀爀愀最攀搀 洀攀 琀漀 搀爀椀渀欀 洀漀爀攀Ⰰഊsince, in fact, it did NOT taste like watered-down Tang... ਀ഊThere's no reason for people to drink Gatorade or its analogs if they ਀搀漀渀✀琀 渀攀攀搀 椀琀 ⴀ 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 椀琀 琀愀猀琀攀猀 ∀渀愀猀琀礀∀ 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀 渀攀攀搀 漀昀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀琀✀猀 漀渀氀礀 眀栀攀渀 椀琀 琀愀猀琀攀猀 氀椀欀攀 眀愀琀攀爀攀搀 搀漀眀渀 䬀漀漀氀ⴀ䄀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 搀漀 渀攀攀搀 椀琀⸀ഊ-- ਀唀爀琀愀琀椀洀 ⠀琀栀愀琀✀猀 攀爀爀ⴀ琀愀栀ⴀ吀䔀䔀䴀⤀ഊthe persona formerly known as Anahita ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㔀 ㈀㌀㨀㌀㔀㨀㄀㐀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: "Phlip" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䘀眀㨀 嬀洀欀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䘀眀搀㨀 搀椀攀琀 最愀琀漀爀愀搀攀ഊTo: , , ਀ऀ∀匀䌀䄀ⴀ䌀漀漀欀猀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀Ⰰ 㰀漀猀琀最愀爀搀爀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀㸀Ⰰഊ , ਀ऀ㰀匀䌀䄀䘀漀漀搀愀渀搀䘀攀愀猀琀猀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊ ਀䴀漀爀攀 昀爀漀洀 匀椀爀 伀洀愀爀愀搀 漀渀 栀椀猀 䜀愀琀漀爀愀搀攀 猀甀戀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 伀洀愀爀愀搀 攀砀瀀愀渀搀攀搀 愀 戀椀琀 漀渀 栀椀猀 爀攀愀猀漀渀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 ∀搀椀攀琀 最愀琀漀爀愀搀攀∀⸀ 䄀猀 栀攀ഊstates, feel free to pass this along to anyone who may be interested. ਀㸀ഊ> Rachaol ਀ഊ> Subject: diet gatorade ਀㸀ഊ> Please forward as necessary. ਀㸀 䤀 挀爀攀愀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀琀 椀渀 洀椀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最 洀礀ഊ> OWN gatorade so that I could avoid sugar in public gatorades. ਀㸀 䠀愀氀昀 猀琀爀攀渀最琀栀 椀猀 昀椀渀攀 愀渀搀 猀漀 椀猀 昀甀氀氀 猀琀爀攀渀最琀栀 戀甀琀 䤀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀ഊ> watered down is better with the sugary stuff because I always felt ਀㸀 ∀猀琀椀挀欀礀∀ 眀栀攀渀 䤀 樀甀猀琀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 挀氀攀愀渀猀攀 洀礀 瀀愀氀愀琀琀攀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 戀愀琀琀氀攀猀⸀ 䘀甀氀氀ഊ> strength with the sugar free is much better in that regard. Your body ਀㸀 樀甀猀琀 最攀琀猀 爀椀搀 漀昀 愀渀礀 攀砀琀爀愀 瀀漀琀愀猀猀椀甀洀 漀爀 猀漀搀椀甀洀 椀琀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 渀攀攀搀⸀ 䴀漀猀琀ഊ> people really just need the water. The flavorings are just there to add ਀㸀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀 琀漀 眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 洀愀欀攀 礀漀甀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀漀 搀爀椀渀欀 椀琀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀搀搀攀搀ഊ> some citric acids, I added some vitamin C to my mix. ਀㸀 伀琀栀攀爀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 甀猀攀搀 昀爀甀椀琀 樀甀椀挀攀猀 㔀　─ 眀椀琀栀 眀愀琀攀爀 㔀　─ഊ> instead of sugar free kool aids. Some people prefer, or can handle, ਀㸀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀 猀甀最愀爀猀 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 爀攀昀椀渀攀搀 猀甀最愀爀猀⸀ഊ> There are TONS of brands of sugar free drinks with all kinds of ਀㸀 愀爀琀椀昀椀挀椀愀氀 猀眀攀攀琀攀渀攀爀猀 昀爀漀洀 渀甀琀爀愀猀眀攀攀琀Ⰰ 琀漀 猀瀀氀攀渀搀愀Ⰰ 琀漀 琀栀攀 渀攀眀 漀渀攀Ⰰഊ> sunnette. ( It's in Coke Zero. ) ਀㸀 䈀唀吀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 攀瘀攀渀 樀甀猀琀 洀愀欀攀 愀 ∀䘀漀爀琀椀昀椀攀搀 眀愀琀攀爀∀ 愀渀搀 愀搀搀 瀀漀琀愀猀猀椀甀洀 愀渀搀ഊ> sodium to your water if you don't handle sweeteners at all. A little ਀㸀 氀攀洀漀渀 樀甀椀挀攀 椀猀 渀椀挀攀 琀漀漀⸀ഊ> For that matter people can use regular Kool-aid with sugar and just ਀㸀 洀愀欀攀 挀栀攀愀瀀 戀甀氀欀 最愀琀漀爀愀搀攀 昀漀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀⸀ഊ> I have used the sugar free strawberry "kool-aid" generic from WalMart ਀㸀 愀渀搀 椀琀 眀愀猀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 搀愀爀渀攀搀 最漀漀搀⸀ 䤀 愀氀猀漀 甀猀攀搀 猀洀甀挀欀攀爀猀 猀甀最愀爀 昀爀攀攀 氀攀洀漀渀愀搀攀ഊ> and it was deeeelicious. I've cut down my soda intake as well and as ਀㸀 洀甀椀挀栀 愀猀 䤀 氀漀瘀攀 洀礀 搀椀攀琀 挀漀欀攀猀 䤀 眀愀猀 樀甀猀琀 搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 眀愀愀愀愀礀 琀漀漀 洀愀渀礀 昀漀爀 ഊ> my own good. ਀㸀 䤀 栀漀瀀攀 琀栀椀猀 栀攀氀瀀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 洀愀礀 渀攀攀搀 愀 最愀琀漀爀愀搀攀 愀氀琀攀爀渀愀琀椀瘀攀 昀漀爀 ഊ> dietary reasons. ਀㸀 ⴀ伀洀愀爀愀搀ഊ> PS- I've lost 23 pounds as of today. (4 1/2 weeks) ਀ഊSaint Phlip, ਀䌀漀䐀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Hillary Greenslade ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䨀愀渀甀愀爀礀 㘀Ⰰ ㈀　　㘀 㤀㨀㔀㌀㨀㐀㐀 倀䴀 䌀匀吀ഊTo: ansteorra ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 䠀甀最 愀 圀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀ഊ ਀䄀氀椀渀愀 猀愀椀搀㨀 ഊ"On waterbearing, the great thing about doing it is everyone is always thankful as it gets really hot fighting especially when the battles go long. The only bad thing is the walking. After a while the water and gatorade bottles seem really heavy while walking back and forth and trying to quickly get to as many combatants as possible." ਀ഊWell, since his Majesty Mahadi is about to take the thrown, I'll share a tale that was told to me from a former kingdom Waterbearer about one day Mahadi did Waterbearing. I don't recall the reason he wasn't fighting, but Mahadi decided if he couldn't fight, he'd do Waterbearing to be near the action, but still participate. ਀ഊAt the end of the day, Mahadi complained to the Head-Waterbearer 'I'm so much more tired than if I'd just fought today! and I learned something about Waterbearing. While the fighters are resting, Waterbearers are on the field providing water. But, when the fighters are fighting again, Waterbearers are not resting - but they are refilling their bottles, cutting more oranges, getting ready for the next rest period - so they never stop working!' A good lesson learned. ਀ഊHave you hugged your Waterbearers today! ਀䌀栀攀攀爀猀Ⰰ 䠀椀氀氀愀爀礀 ഊ ਀⠀倀匀 ⴀ 搀漀渀✀琀 昀漀爀最攀琀 琀漀 猀琀愀爀琀 猀愀瘀椀渀最 ㈀ 氀椀琀攀爀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀猀 昀漀爀 䜀甀氀昀 圀愀爀猀 圀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀猀⸀⤀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: "Zubeydah Jamilla al-Badawiyya" ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: contact / non-contact waterbearing at wars ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀　㨀㄀㔀㨀㌀㠀 ⴀ　㘀　　ഊ ਀伀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀 漀昀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀圀栀攀渀 䤀 眀愀猀 愀琀 䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀 氀愀猀琀 眀攀攀欀攀渀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀 猀琀爀漀渀最 攀昀昀漀爀琀 戀礀 猀漀洀攀 ഊgroups to provide non-contact waterbearing. To get water out on the field in ਀戀甀氀欀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 攀愀猀椀攀猀琀 洀攀琀栀漀搀 椀猀 ㈀ 氀椀琀攀爀 猀漀搀愀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀 ✀猀焀甀椀爀琀 琀漀瀀✀ ⼀ ഊ'sport top' cap. This worked for some helm configurations, but not for ਀漀琀栀攀爀猀⸀ 䤀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 愀猀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 漀氀搀 ✀栀漀猀攀✀ ഊstyle, but I heard at the station that others did. ਀ഊI brought my personal gear, which is two 1000 ML chemical supply bottles ਀琀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀 愀昀昀椀砀攀搀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 渀漀稀稀氀攀 ⴀ 椀琀 愀氀氀漀眀猀 洀攀 琀漀 氀椀琀攀爀愀氀氀礀 猀焀甀椀爀琀 琀栀攀 ഊwater in a smooth stream, with pretty good aim, into almost any helm. ਀䐀攀猀瀀椀琀攀 猀愀礀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 瀀栀爀愀猀攀Ⰰ ∀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 ⴀ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 ഊlet it touch your lips" every time I handed it to a fighter, I still had ਀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀最渀漀爀攀 洀攀 愀渀搀 洀甀挀欀氀攀 漀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 渀漀稀稀氀攀 愀渀搀 猀甀挀欀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 ഊbottle. I had people pretend to tongue it, as well, simply to be 'cute.' ਀⠀吀栀愀琀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 最漀琀 爀攀琀椀爀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀Ⰰ 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 椀琀 眀愀猀 昀甀氀氀 漀爀 攀洀瀀琀礀 愀渀搀 ഊsix guys waiting to drink, until such time as it was run through a ਀猀愀渀椀琀椀稀椀渀最 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀⸀⤀ഊ ਀䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀✀猀 一漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 刀攀最椀漀渀愀氀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 氀愀猀琀 琀眀漀 礀攀愀爀猀Ⰰ ഊand have held over a dozen classes on our Kingdom's new standards on ਀眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最⸀ 䴀漀猀琀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 椀渀 洀礀 愀爀攀愀 渀漀眀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀攀 琀栀攀 猀琀礀氀攀 漀昀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 䤀✀瘀攀 ഊencouraged use of, and know what to expect. But what about the huge wars? ਀䠀漀眀 搀漀 眀攀 攀搀甀挀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 洀愀猀猀攀猀 漀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 猀栀漀眀 甀瀀 愀琀 愀 眀愀爀㼀ഊ ਀䤀昀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 眀愀渀琀 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀 愀琀 氀愀爀最攀 猀挀愀氀攀 眀愀爀猀 ⠀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 ഊthink Pennsic is going N/C just yet - I believe Gulf Wars is), and contact ਀琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 搀漀渀攀 昀爀漀洀 愀 圀䈀 猀琀愀渀搀瀀漀椀渀琀 愀渀搀 愀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 戀礀 ഊKingdom cultural standpoint, to increase training/awareness? ਀ഊI know that the folks at Gulf War have been advertising their need for ਀猀焀甀椀爀琀 琀漀瀀猀 愀渀搀 ㈀ 氀椀琀攀爀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 昀漀爀 洀漀渀琀栀猀Ⰰ 瀀漀猀琀攀搀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 琀椀洀攀猀 漀渀 洀礀 ഊKingdom and regional lists, but haven't gotten much response from anyone ਀漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀猀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀礀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀㼀 吀栀漀甀最栀琀猀㼀 ഊ ਀ഊFrom: mmorley at uark.edu ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: contact / non-contact waterbearing at wars ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㠀 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㘀 　㘀㨀㔀㈀㨀㐀㔀 ⴀ　㠀　　ഊ ਀娀甀戀攀礀搀愀栀 䨀愀洀椀氀氀愀 愀氀ⴀ䈀愀搀愀眀椀礀礀愀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> On the subject of waterbearing. ਀㸀⨀猀渀椀瀀⨀ഊ> If fighters want non-contact to be the standard at large scale wars (I don't ਀㸀 琀栀椀渀欀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 椀猀 最漀椀渀最 一⼀䌀 樀甀猀琀 礀攀琀 ⴀ 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 䜀甀氀昀 圀愀爀猀 椀猀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀ഊ> to be the exception, what can be done from a WB standpoint and a Kingdom by ਀㸀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 挀甀氀琀甀爀愀氀 猀琀愀渀搀瀀漀椀渀琀Ⰰ 琀漀 椀渀挀爀攀愀猀攀 琀爀愀椀渀椀渀最⼀愀眀愀爀攀渀攀猀猀㼀ഊ>*snip* ਀ഊThat's a pretty big if. It's just not an issue a few miles east and ਀渀漀爀琀栀 漀昀 礀漀甀⸀  䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀 栀愀猀 栀愀搀 猀琀爀愀眀⼀戀甀挀欀攀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 氀愀猀琀ഊ*cough* years and no large scale movement or consensus to change. We ਀瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 洀愀渀瀀漀眀攀爀 昀漀爀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最 愀琀 洀愀渀礀 眀愀爀猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊcontinent and are perfectly happy "doing it our way". We're happy ਀攀渀漀甀最栀 琀栀愀琀 猀琀爀愀眀猀 愀渀搀 樀甀最猀 最攀琀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 琀漀 䜀圀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀ഊmess with helmet removal and being sprayed in the face/neck/eye. I'm ਀瀀爀攀琀琀礀 栀愀瀀瀀礀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 猀眀愀瀀瀀椀渀最 猀瀀椀琀 愀渀搀 昀攀攀氀 渀漀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀ഊchange. I often wave off n/c waterbearers because it's just too much ਀栀愀猀猀氀攀 愀渀搀 愀琀琀椀琀甀搀攀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 䄀渀礀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀㼀 吀栀漀甀最栀琀猀㼀ഊ ਀䐀攀挀椀搀攀 眀栀愀琀✀猀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 琀漀 礀漀甀⸀  䐀漀 椀琀 礀漀甀爀 眀愀礀⸀  䐀漀渀✀琀 戀攀 甀瀀猀攀琀 眀栀攀渀ഊpeople don't agree with you. ਀ഊ]\/[arcus who prefers hydration over sterilization ਀ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 ⼀ 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最 愀琀 眀愀爀猀ഊFrom: "Richard Sutton" ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㌀ 䴀愀爀 ㈀　　㘀 　㤀㨀㌀㠀㨀㔀㘀 ⬀㄀㌀　　ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀ഊ> is. Was there a push for it among the fighters? It strikes me as ਀㸀 甀渀氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀栀愀琀 猀甀挀栀 昀愀猀琀椀搀椀漀甀猀渀攀猀猀 椀猀 眀椀搀攀猀瀀爀攀愀搀 愀洀漀渀最 琀栀攀洀⸀  䠀愀猀 琀栀攀爀攀ഊ> been any reasonably documented problem of communicable disease ਀㸀 猀瀀爀攀愀搀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 眀愀礀㼀  伀爀 搀漀攀猀 椀琀 樀甀猀琀 猀攀攀洀 氀椀欀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 椀搀攀愀㼀ഊ ਀䤀渀 一攀眀 娀攀愀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 䴀攀渀椀渀最椀琀椀猀 椀猀 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 愀渀搀 欀椀氀氀猀 愀 昀攀眀 漀琀栀攀爀眀椀猀攀 昀椀琀 愀渀搀ഊhealthy young people each year. It kills very quickly unless treatment is ਀猀漀甀最栀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 椀猀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀氀礀 搀椀愀最渀漀猀攀搀 ⠀椀渀猀琀攀愀搀 漀昀 樀甀猀琀 ∀椀琀 椀猀 漀渀氀礀ഊthe flu/cold, go home and have a rest", if this happens, the rest is usually ਀瀀攀爀洀愀渀攀渀琀⤀⸀ 伀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 漀昀 椀渀昀攀挀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 猀眀愀瀀瀀椀渀最 搀爀椀渀欀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 愀琀ഊsports events etc. There are major TV advertising campaigns to discourage ਀猀眀愀瀀瀀椀渀最 搀爀椀渀欀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀⸀ 匀漀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 最漀漀搀 爀攀愀猀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 渀漀渀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀ഊbottles. ਀ഊCheers ਀ഊGilbert de Montfort ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 刀漀猀攀 䨀漀渀攀猀 㰀栀攀愀琀栀攀爀⸀樀漀渀攀猀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 ⼀ 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最 愀琀 眀愀爀猀ഊDate: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 05:07:33 GMT ਀ഊDorothy J Heydt wrote: ਀㸀 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 匀甀琀琀漀渀 㰀搀攀氀琀愀瀀爀椀洀攀 愀琀 一伀匀倀䄀䴀瀀愀爀愀搀椀猀攀⸀渀攀琀⸀渀稀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀㸀㸀椀猀⸀  圀愀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀 瀀甀猀栀 昀漀爀 椀琀 愀洀漀渀最 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀㼀  䤀琀 猀琀爀椀欀攀猀 洀攀 愀猀ഊ>>>unlikely that such fastidiousness is widespread among them. Has there ਀㸀㸀㸀戀攀攀渀 愀渀礀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀礀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 漀昀 挀漀洀洀甀渀椀挀愀戀氀攀 搀椀猀攀愀猀攀ഊ>>>spreading this way? Or does it just seem like a good idea? ਀㸀㸀ഊ>>In New Zealand, Meningitis is a problem and kills a few otherwise fit and ਀㸀㸀栀攀愀氀琀栀礀 礀漀甀渀最 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 攀愀挀栀 礀攀愀爀⸀ 䤀琀 欀椀氀氀猀 瘀攀爀礀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀 甀渀氀攀猀猀 琀爀攀愀琀洀攀渀琀 椀猀ഊ>>sought and the problem is correctly diagnosed (instead of just "it is only ਀㸀㸀琀栀攀 昀氀甀⼀挀漀氀搀Ⰰ 最漀 栀漀洀攀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 爀攀猀琀∀Ⰰ 椀昀 琀栀椀猀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀 椀猀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀ഊ>>permanent). One of the sources of infection is swapping drink bottles at ਀㸀㸀猀瀀漀爀琀猀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 攀琀挀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 洀愀樀漀爀 吀嘀 愀搀瘀攀爀琀椀猀椀渀最 挀愀洀瀀愀椀最渀猀 琀漀 搀椀猀挀漀甀爀愀最攀ഊ>>swapping drink bottles. So there are good reasons for non contact water ਀㸀㸀戀漀琀琀氀攀猀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䤀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 栀攀愀爀搀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 唀匀⸀ഊ> Perhaps I just haven't been paying attention? Or is there some ਀㸀 猀琀爀愀椀渀 漀昀 洀攀渀椀渀最椀琀椀猀 瀀爀攀瘀愀氀攀渀琀 椀渀 一娀Ⰰ 攀愀猀椀氀礀 琀爀愀渀猀洀椀琀琀攀搀 戀礀ഊ> saliva, that hasn't reached North America yet? ਀ഊI think that would be "haven't been paying attention". ਀吀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀 洀攀渀椀渀最椀琀椀猀 漀甀琀戀爀攀愀欀 愀琀 愀 䈀愀礀 䄀爀攀愀 猀挀栀漀漀氀 ഊsometime in the last half dozen years (IIRC) that was traced ਀琀漀 猀栀愀爀攀搀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 愀琀 愀 猀瀀漀爀琀猀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀  ⠀䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 ഊany luck turning up a link, but I remember it being in the ਀渀攀眀猀⸀⤀ഊ ਀吀愀渀最眀礀猀琀礀氀ഊ-- ਀䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 刀漀猀攀 䨀漀渀攀猀ഊheather at heatherrosejones.com ਀㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀栀攀愀琀栀攀爀爀漀猀攀樀漀渀攀猀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 欀椀琀栀爀甀瀀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊSubject: Re: contact / non-contact waterbearing at wars ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䬀椀琀栀爀甀瀀 䔀渀琀攀爀瀀爀椀猀攀猀Ⰰ 䰀琀搀⸀ഊDate: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 01:14:31 GMT ਀ഊZebee Johnstone wrote: ਀㸀䤀渀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀 漀渀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀ 䴀愀爀 ㈀　　㘀 ㈀　㨀㔀㘀㨀㔀　 䜀䴀吀ഊ>Dorothy J Heydt wrote: ਀㸀㸀 匀漀 洀愀礀戀攀 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀椀渀最 椀猀 愀 最漀漀搀 椀搀攀愀Ⰰ 愀琀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀攀ഊ>> need to figure out ways of implementing it. Disposable straws, ਀㸀㸀 洀愀礀戀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 挀甀瀀猀 椀渀琀漀 眀栀椀挀栀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀 瀀漀甀爀猀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀㼀ഊ>> She'd need to wear a trash sack over her shoulder, but the trash ਀㸀㸀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 氀椀最栀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀 爀椀猀欀 椀昀 攀愀挀栀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 栀愀猀 漀眀渀 戀椀琀 漀昀 栀漀猀攀㼀  ഊUnfortunately, I have the feeling that the last sip in the straw, ਀琀栀愀琀 最漀琀 愀猀 昀愀爀 愀猀 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀✀猀 氀椀瀀猀 戀甀琀 栀攀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 猀眀愀氀氀漀眀 椀琀Ⰰഊcould drain back into the bottle before it was removed therefrom ਀愀渀搀 挀漀渀琀愀洀椀渀愀琀攀 椀琀 愀渀礀眀愀礀⸀  唀渀氀攀猀猀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀栀攀ഊhose from the bottle while the fighter was still sucking and let ਀栀椀洀 搀爀愀椀渀 椀琀 搀爀礀⸀  䤀 愀氀猀漀 眀漀渀搀攀爀 眀栀攀爀攀 栀攀✀搀 欀攀攀瀀 椀琀 ⴀⴀ 眀爀愀瀀瀀攀搀ഊaround his helm maybe? -- while he was fighting. ਀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt ਀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀圀攀猀琀                               䄀氀戀愀渀礀Ⰰ 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀ഊPRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at kithrup.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 匀甀琀琀漀渀∀ 㰀搀攀氀琀愀瀀爀椀洀攀 愀琀 一伀匀倀䄀䴀瀀愀爀愀搀椀猀攀⸀渀攀琀⸀渀稀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 ⼀ 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最 愀琀 眀愀爀猀ഊDate: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:50:46 +1300 ਀ഊ> traveled by railroad, drunk from the water cooler, and later ਀㸀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀搀 愀 猀漀爀攀 漀渀 栀攀爀 洀漀甀琀栀⸀  ∀吀栀攀 椀渀昀攀挀琀椀漀渀 氀愀琀攀爀 瀀爀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀ഊ> of an unmentionable nature." In other words, syphilis, which ਀㸀 甀渀氀椀欀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 匀吀䐀猀 椀猀 琀爀愀渀猀洀椀琀琀愀戀氀攀 戀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 洀攀愀渀猀 琀栀愀渀 猀攀砀甀愀氀ഊ> contact. ਀ഊCold sores or herpes would be another good reason not to share water ਀戀漀琀琀氀攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 瀀愀椀渀昀甀氀 愀渀搀 愀渀渀漀礀椀渀最 愀渀搀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 琀爀愀渀猀洀椀琀琀攀搀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀ഊcontact (plus the virus is for life too). ਀ഊCheers ਀ഊGilbert de Montfort ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 匀甀琀琀漀渀∀ 㰀搀攀氀琀愀瀀爀椀洀攀 愀琀 一伀匀倀䄀䴀瀀愀爀愀搀椀猀攀⸀渀攀琀⸀渀稀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 ⼀ 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最 愀琀 眀愀爀猀ഊDate: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:11:13 +1300 ਀ഊ> In New Zealand, Meningitis is a problem and kills a few otherwise fit and ਀㸀 栀攀愀氀琀栀礀 礀漀甀渀最 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 攀愀挀栀 礀攀愀爀⸀ 䤀琀 欀椀氀氀猀 瘀攀爀礀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀 甀渀氀攀猀猀 琀爀攀愀琀洀攀渀琀 椀猀ഊ> sought and the problem is correctly diagnosed (instead of just "it is only ਀㸀 琀栀攀 昀氀甀⼀挀漀氀搀Ⰰ 最漀 栀漀洀攀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 爀攀猀琀∀Ⰰ 椀昀 琀栀椀猀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀 椀猀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀ഊ> permanent). One of the sources of infection is swapping drink bottles at ਀㸀 猀瀀漀爀琀猀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 攀琀挀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 洀愀樀漀爀 吀嘀 愀搀瘀攀爀琀椀猀椀渀最 挀愀洀瀀愀椀最渀猀 琀漀 搀椀猀挀漀甀爀愀最攀ഊ> swapping drink bottles. So there are good reasons for non contact water ਀㸀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䠀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀漀洀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 氀椀渀欀猀 爀攀最愀爀搀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 洀愀欀攀猀 礀漀甀 琀栀椀渀欀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 礀漀甀ഊdrink..... ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀猀琀甀昀昀⸀挀漀⸀渀稀⼀猀琀甀昀昀⼀　Ⰰ㈀㄀　㘀Ⰰ㌀㔀㤀　㠀㤀㔀愀㄀　Ⰰ　　⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.moh.govt.nz/meningococcal ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀洀漀栀⸀最漀瘀琀⸀渀稀⼀洀漀栀⸀渀猀昀⼀眀瀀最开椀渀搀攀砀⼀䄀戀漀甀琀ⴀ䴀攀渀椀渀最漀挀漀挀挀愀氀⬀䐀椀猀攀愀猀攀⬀䘀䄀儀猀⌀㐀ഊ ਀䌀栀攀攀爀猀ഊ ਀䜀椀氀戀攀爀琀 搀攀 䴀漀渀琀昀漀爀琀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: contact / non-contact waterbearing at wars ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㘀 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀㐀㨀㌀㔀㨀　㐀 ⴀ　㘀　　ഊ ਀娀甀戀攀礀搀愀栀 䨀愀洀椀氀氀愀 愀氀ⴀ䈀愀搀愀眀椀礀礀愀 㰀稀甀戀攀礀搀愀栀 愀琀 渀漀爀琀栀欀攀攀瀀⸀漀爀最㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>I brought my personal gear, which is two 1000 ML chemical supply ਀㸀戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀 愀昀昀椀砀攀搀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 渀漀稀稀氀攀 ⴀ 椀琀 愀氀氀漀眀猀 洀攀 琀漀ഊ>literally squirt the water in a smooth stream, with pretty good aim, ਀㸀椀渀琀漀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 愀渀礀 栀攀氀洀⸀  䐀攀猀瀀椀琀攀 猀愀礀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 瀀栀爀愀猀攀Ⰰ ∀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀ഊ>non-contact bottle - please don't let it touch your lips" every time ਀㸀䤀 栀愀渀搀攀搀 椀琀 琀漀 愀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀Ⰰ 䤀 猀琀椀氀氀 栀愀搀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀最渀漀爀攀 洀攀 愀渀搀 洀甀挀欀氀攀 漀渀ഊ>to the nozzle and suck straight from the bottle. ਀ഊI have no experience with waterbearing, especially not with those ਀∀瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 渀漀稀稀氀攀猀∀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 椀琀 戀攀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 琀漀 栀漀氀搀 礀漀甀爀 栀愀渀搀 甀瀀ഊnear / beside / in front of the nozzle, so that if they lunge for it, ਀礀漀甀 挀愀渀 瀀甀猀栀 琀栀攀洀 戀愀挀欀㼀  䤀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀 礀漀甀爀 栀愀渀搀 洀椀最栀琀 最攀琀 琀椀爀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀⸀ഊ ਀㸀⠀吀栀愀琀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 最漀琀 爀攀琀椀爀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀Ⰰ 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 椀琀 眀愀猀 昀甀氀氀 漀爀 攀洀瀀琀礀ഊ>and six guys waiting to drink, until such time as it was run through ਀㸀愀 猀愀渀椀琀椀稀椀渀最 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀⸀⤀ഊ ਀䤀渀 琀栀愀琀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 椀昀 䤀 栀愀搀 琀栀攀 攀渀攀爀最礀Ⰰ 䤀 洀椀最栀琀 氀漀甀搀氀礀 瀀漀椀渀琀 漀甀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀ഊothers the person who was responsible for them not getting your water. ਀ഊDannet de Lincoln ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䜀爀攀琀挀栀攀渀 䈀攀挀欀 㰀最爀洀 愀琀 愀渀搀爀攀眀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 ⼀ 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最 愀琀 眀愀爀猀ഊDate: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:48:34 -0500 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䌀愀爀渀攀最椀攀 䴀攀氀氀漀渀Ⰰ 倀椀琀琀猀戀甀爀最栀Ⰰ 倀䄀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀ伀渀 匀甀渀搀愀礀Ⰰ 䘀攀戀爀甀愀爀礀 ㈀㘀Ⰰ ㈀　　㘀 ㄀　㨀㄀㔀 䄀䴀 ⴀ　㘀　　 娀甀戀攀礀搀愀栀 䨀愀洀椀氀氀愀 愀氀ⴀ䈀愀搀愀眀椀礀礀愀 ഊ wrote: ਀ഊ> How do we educate the masses of people who show up at a war? ਀ഊWork with the marshalate. Talk them into making "this is the kind of water ਀戀漀琀琀氀攀 礀漀甀✀氀氀 戀攀 猀攀攀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀Ⰰ 栀攀爀攀✀猀 栀漀眀 椀琀 眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 䐀漀渀✀琀 瀀甀琀 礀漀甀爀 ഊmouth on it" a part of armor inspection at the war. Adds a few seconds to ਀椀渀猀瀀攀挀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀渀猀甀爀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 攀愀挀栀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀氀礀 最攀琀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀攀搀 渀漀琀 琀漀 ഊtouch the water bottle. Add a reminder about the water to the ਀挀爀礀猀⼀愀渀渀漀甀渀挀攀洀攀渀琀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 栀攀爀愀氀搀猀⸀ഊ ਀䜀漀漀搀 氀甀挀欀℀  䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 愀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀攀愀爀攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 愀洀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 眀愀礀猀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 ഊcommunicate information. When you decide how to communicate this at large ਀眀愀爀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 氀攀琀 洀攀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀✀爀攀 搀漀椀渀最 愀渀搀 栀漀眀 椀琀 眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 䤀琀✀氀氀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 ഊturn out to be something of general use in other fields as well. ਀ഊtoodles, margaret ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䌀栀爀椀猀 娀愀欀攀猀 㰀洀漀漀渀搀爀最渀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 ⼀ 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最 愀琀 眀愀爀猀ഊDate: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:01:45 GMT ਀ഊOn Mon, 06 Mar 2006 01:39:22 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser ਀挀愀甀猀攀搀 吀攀爀爀椀 㰀渀漀琀栀椀渀最戀甀琀愀搀愀洀攀 愀琀 椀渀琀栀攀⸀猀挀愀⸀漀爀最㸀 琀漀 眀爀椀琀攀㨀ഊ ਀㸀圀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 琀栀椀猀 愀氀氀 樀甀猀琀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 䴀漀漀琀 椀昀 昀漀氀欀猀 琀漀漀欀 挀愀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀ഊ>and brought their own water? Are we not setting ourselves and others ਀㸀甀瀀 昀漀爀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 戀礀 攀渀挀漀甀爀愀最椀渀最 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 眀愀琀挀栀攀爀猀 琀漀 昀攀攀氀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀ഊ>have the right to expect others to cater to their needs? ਀㸀   䤀 最爀愀渀琀 礀漀甀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀✀猀 攀愀猀礀 琀漀 搀爀漀瀀 昀爀漀洀 栀攀愀琀 攀砀栀愀甀猀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 愀ഊ>battlefield in the sun - but I doubt that the water, pickles, oranges, ਀㸀愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀琀攀洀猀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀氀礀 戀攀椀渀最 瘀椀攀眀攀搀 愀猀 ∀爀攀焀甀椀爀攀搀∀ 椀琀攀洀猀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀搀 戀礀ഊ>'staff' are doing more than saving a few and teaching the many that ਀㸀琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 戀攀 椀爀爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀氀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀䠀爀漀琀栀渀礀ഊ ਀㰀猀栀爀甀最㸀 䤀 ⨀愀氀眀愀礀猀⨀ 戀爀椀渀最 洀礀 漀眀渀 昀氀甀椀搀猀 琀漀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 愀氀眀愀礀猀ഊhave some waiting at the side of the field. But... ਀ഊIf I'm in the middle of fighting or marshalling a melee and a long ਀∀栀漀氀搀∀ 椀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 愀 氀漀琀 洀漀爀攀 挀漀渀瘀攀渀椀攀渀琀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀ഊoffer me something to drink than to have to walk off the field and get ਀椀琀 洀礀猀攀氀昀⸀ ഊImagine a large "hold" on the field at Pennsic or Gulf War or ਀䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀㨀 攀瘀攀爀礀戀漀搀礀 栀攀愀搀猀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀椀爀 挀漀漀氀攀爀猀 琀漀 最爀愀戀 愀ഊdrink. Now a) how do you make sure everybody gets back to the spot ਀琀栀攀礀 氀攀昀琀Ⰰ ⨀眀椀琀栀漀甀琀⨀ 琀愀欀椀渀最 琀愀挀琀椀挀愀氀 愀搀瘀愀渀琀愀最攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀昀甀猀椀漀渀 琀漀ഊreform lines and suchlike? and b) how do you make sure *everybody* ਀洀愀欀攀猀 椀琀 戀愀挀欀 漀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀 椀渀 愀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀 琀椀洀攀㼀 ⠀䄀 昀椀瘀攀ⴀ洀椀渀甀琀攀ഊwater break evolves into a twenty-minute bathroom break, which evolves ਀椀渀琀漀 愀 昀漀爀琀礀 昀椀瘀攀ⴀ洀椀渀甀琀攀 猀渀愀挀欀 戀爀攀愀欀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 攀瘀漀氀瘀攀猀 椀渀琀漀 愀 琀眀漀ⴀ栀漀甀爀ഊlunch break, which evolves into a four-hour shopping trip, and you may ਀愀猀 眀攀氀氀 挀愀氀氀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 洀攀氀攀攀 愀琀 琀栀愀琀 瀀漀椀渀琀⸀⤀ഊ ਀䄀氀琀攀爀渀愀琀椀瘀攀氀礀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 樀甀猀琀 渀漀琀 愀氀氀漀眀 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 琀漀 氀攀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀ഊfield for water, which gets us right back to the problem of ਀漀瘀攀爀栀攀愀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀 栀攀愀琀 攀砀栀愀甀猀琀椀漀渀ⴀⴀ戀攀攀渀 琀栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 搀漀渀攀 琀栀愀琀⸀ 䄀渀礀戀漀搀礀ഊremember the woods battle at Gulf War 1? ਀ഊI don't see this as encouraging folks to be irresponsible, any more ਀琀栀愀渀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 挀栀椀爀甀爀最攀漀渀猀 漀渀ⴀ猀椀琀攀 椀猀 椀爀爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀氀攀⸀ 䤀 猀攀攀 椀琀 愀猀 愀ഊfurther resource *in addition* to what I bring on my own. ਀ഊ -Tivar Moondragon ਀ऀऀ䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Galen of Ockham ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: contact / non-contact waterbearing at wars ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ 　㜀 䴀愀爀 ㈀　　㘀 ㈀㌀㨀㔀㤀㨀㈀㤀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀㸀䤀琀✀猀 戀攀攀渀 洀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀 猀椀渀挀攀 䤀 昀漀甀最栀琀Ⰰ 洀甀挀栀 氀攀猀猀 愀琀 眀愀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 渀漀眀愀搀愀礀猀 䤀ഊ>rarely even watch the battles. This is the first I've heard of ਀㸀渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 眀漀渀搀攀爀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 洀漀琀椀瘀愀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 椀琀ഊ>is. Was there a push for it among the fighters? It strikes me as ਀㸀甀渀氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀栀愀琀 猀甀挀栀 昀愀猀琀椀搀椀漀甀猀渀攀猀猀 椀猀 眀椀搀攀猀瀀爀攀愀搀 愀洀漀渀最 琀栀攀洀⸀  䠀愀猀 琀栀攀爀攀ഊ>been any reasonably documented problem of communicable disease ਀㸀猀瀀爀攀愀搀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 眀愀礀㼀  伀爀 搀漀攀猀 椀琀 樀甀猀琀 猀攀攀洀 氀椀欀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 椀搀攀愀㼀ഊ ਀䤀 挀愀渀 猀栀攀搀 猀漀洀攀 氀椀最栀琀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀⸀ഊ ਀一漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 愀 最爀愀猀猀ⴀ爀漀漀琀猀 攀昀昀漀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊwaterbearers and a few Chirurgeons in several Kingdoms. It has ਀攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 戀攀攀渀 椀洀瀀氀攀洀攀渀琀攀搀 愀琀 䜀甀氀昀 圀愀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀椀渀最 戀攀栀椀渀搀 椀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 椀渀挀爀攀愀猀攀搀 愀眀愀爀攀渀攀猀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀爀愀渀猀洀椀猀猀椀漀渀 ഊof disease by body fluids. Now in your standard body fluid protection ਀挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 猀琀愀琀攀 琀栀愀琀 猀愀氀椀瘀愀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀 眀漀爀爀礀⸀ 吀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀爀甀攀 椀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 ഊtalking about skin contact. When you are drinking after someone, you are ਀栀愀瘀椀渀最 搀椀爀攀挀琀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 洀甀挀漀甀猀 洀攀洀戀爀愀渀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀漀甀琀栀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀✀爀攀 ഊthe nth person to drink from a communal bottle, then you have ਀攀猀猀攀渀琀椀愀氀氀礀 樀甀猀琀 欀椀猀猀攀搀 渀ⴀ㄀ 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 ⴀ 愀渀搀 樀甀猀琀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 琀栀愀琀 甀最氀礀 戀甀最最攀爀 ഊwho drank just before you!!! ਀ഊWe are not worried about AIDS spreading this way, but there have been ਀搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀 漀甀琀戀爀攀愀欀猀 漀昀 戀愀挀琀攀爀椀愀氀 洀攀渀椀渀最椀琀椀猀 昀爀漀洀 猀瀀漀爀琀猀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀⸀ 䰀攀猀猀 ഊwell documented, but entirely probably are hepatitis A, herpes, ਀琀甀戀攀爀挀甀氀漀猀椀猀Ⰰ 挀漀氀搀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀渀昀氀甀攀渀稀愀 琀漀 渀愀洀攀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀漀爀攀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 ഊailments. It is hard to document many of theses because they are not ਀甀渀甀猀甀愀氀 搀椀猀攀愀猀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 椀渀挀甀戀愀琀椀漀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 洀攀愀渀猀 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 挀漀洀攀 搀漀眀渀 眀椀琀栀 ഊthem sometime after the event and the exposed populace have spread to ਀琀栀攀 昀漀甀爀 眀椀渀搀猀⸀ഊ ਀圀椀琀栀 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最Ⰰ 眀攀 愀爀攀 瀀甀猀栀椀渀最 愀 猀礀猀琀攀洀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀氀瀀猀 琀漀 ഊprotect the health of the populace. The more common things we're ਀瀀爀攀瘀攀渀琀椀渀最 愀爀攀渀✀琀 猀攀爀椀漀甀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀爀攀 愀渀 愀渀渀漀礀愀渀挀攀 愀渀搀 挀愀渀 挀愀甀猀攀 洀椀猀猀攀搀 ഊwork. Some, like meningitis and hepatitis can be fatal or chronic ਀搀椀猀攀愀猀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 戀攀 挀甀爀攀搀⸀ 圀攀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 挀愀瀀愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀 ഊto our fighters without risking the transmission of disease. Doesn't it ਀洀愀欀攀 猀攀渀猀攀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 琀愀欀攀 愀搀瘀愀渀琀愀最攀 漀昀 椀琀㼀ഊ ਀䜀愀氀攀渀 漀昀 伀挀欀栀愀洀Ⰰ 䴀䌀Ⰰ 伀倀ഊ(MKA Keith E. Brandt, MD, MPH) ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䜀愀氀攀渀 漀昀 伀挀欀栀愀洀 㰀最愀氀攀渀 愀琀 挀栀椀爀甀爀最攀漀渀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 ⼀ 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最 愀琀 眀愀爀猀ഊDate: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:53:44 GMT ਀ഊRobert Uhl wrote: ਀㸀 䄀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀渀礀 昀椀最甀爀攀猀 琀漀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 琀栀愀琀 搀椀猀攀愀猀攀 琀爀愀渀猀洀椀猀猀椀漀渀 瘀椀愀ഊ> shared water has been at all common at SCA events? ਀ഊAs I stated, it is next to impossible to get hard data on the subject ਀猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀挀攀 搀椀猀瀀攀爀猀攀猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 挀漀洀攀 搀漀眀渀 眀椀琀栀 洀漀猀琀 戀甀最猀⸀ ഊThere are anecdotal reports of increased colds following events, and ਀琀栀攀爀攀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 昀甀氀氀 漀甀琀戀爀攀愀欀猀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最猀 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 ∀倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 倀氀愀最甀攀∀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀猀琀猀 愀爀攀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 渀攀甀琀爀愀氀⸀ 䤀渀猀琀攀愀搀 漀昀 戀甀礀椀渀最 琀甀戀椀渀最Ⰰ 礀漀甀✀爀攀 戀甀礀椀渀最 ഊbottles or just squirt tops (which are reusable assuming they are ਀瀀爀漀瀀攀爀氀礀 挀氀攀愀渀猀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 戀氀攀愀挀栀 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀猀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 琀栀攀 琀甀戀攀猀 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 ഊcontact waterbearing). Of the groups implementing the non-contact ਀猀礀猀琀攀洀Ⰰ 挀漀猀琀 栀愀猀 渀攀瘀攀爀 戀攀攀渀 爀愀椀猀攀搀 愀猀 愀 戀愀爀爀椀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䜀愀氀攀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 02:29:10 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀漀琀猀椀猀琀漀∀ 㰀漀琀猀椀猀琀漀 愀琀 猀漀挀欀攀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Pennsic weather ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ伀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊJadwiga replied to me with: ਀㰀㰀㰀ഊ> Or even one a few years ਀㸀 愀最漀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀猀 眀攀爀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最 瀀攀爀椀漀搀椀挀 爀漀甀渀搀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀氀愀猀猀  ഊ> tents as well as the field. ਀ഊ>> ਀ഊWhy Chirurgeon's point? Would it not be WB point? ਀ഊLyse ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㌀ 䄀甀最 ㈀　　㘀 　㐀㨀㄀㌀㨀㄀㜀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: ranvaig at columbus.rr.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 眀攀愀琀栀攀爀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊ> <<< if you see one, and it's running ਀㸀 氀漀眀Ⰰ 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 琀愀欀椀渀最 椀琀 甀瀀 琀漀 䌀栀椀爀甀最攀漀渀猀✀ 愀渀搀 爀攀昀椀氀氀椀渀最 椀琀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀  ഊ> Cow. >>> ਀㸀ഊ> Why Chirurgeon's point? Would it not be WB point? ਀ഊBecause that is where the Water Bearers get their water, and it is ਀挀氀漀猀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䌀氀愀猀猀 琀攀渀琀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀眀 椀猀 愀 猀攀爀椀攀猀 漀昀 眀愀琀攀爀 昀椀氀琀攀爀猀Ⰰഊmaking the well water more acceptable for drinking. ਀ഊRanvaig ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䔀氀愀椀渀攀 䴀愀渀礀漀欀椀 㰀攀洀愀渀礀漀欀椀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: May 30, 2008 1:43:20 PM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 琀爀椀洀愀爀椀猀ⴀ琀攀洀瀀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: [tri-temp] Re: was..Weather for TMT..but now about gatorade ਀ഊRed Gatorade is frowned upon because it is sometimes difficult to see the difference between it and blood in some folks, (although blood usually looks like coffee grounds)...red is one of the worst color additives for food/drink allergies..it will also send someone who is adhd flying, which is why I never gave it to any of my kids.. ਀ഊIt is always a good idea to tell someone you are carrying gatorade AND water, since there are some, like me, who are allergic to gatorade.
 ਀ഊKatya

 ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㠀㨀㔀　㨀㌀㠀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Johnna Holloway ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 圀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊHere's the official announcement from sca.org ਀ഊJohnnae ਀ഊ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 倀愀琀爀椀挀欀 䄀渀搀攀爀猀漀渀 㰀瀀爀攀猀椀搀攀渀琀 愀琀 猀挀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊDate: Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:57 AM ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀䄀渀渀漀甀渀挀攀洀攀渀琀猀崀 圀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最 瀀爀漀瀀漀猀愀氀 爀攀焀甀攀猀琀 昀漀爀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀ഊTo: announcements at sca.org ਀ഊ/>From the President, Patrick Anderson: / ਀ഊEarlier this year, I was asked by several people in the waterbearing ਀挀漀洀洀甀渀椀琀礀 琀漀 攀砀愀洀椀渀攀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 氀愀眀猀 漀昀 猀琀愀琀攀猀 愀渀搀 挀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀 爀攀氀愀琀攀搀 琀漀ഊwaterbearing as an organized and official activity of the SCA, Inc. ਀嘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 猀琀愀琀攀猀 栀愀瘀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀攀搀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀ 琀栀愀琀 眀栀椀氀攀 漀甀爀ഊactivity does not directly violate the food codes or health regulations ਀漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀琀愀琀攀猀Ⰰ 椀昀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 琀漀 戀攀 愀渀 漀甀琀戀爀攀愀欀 漀昀 椀氀氀渀攀猀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀ⰀഊInc. could be held liable for that outbreak. Several health care ਀瀀爀漀昀攀猀猀椀漀渀愀氀猀 愀渀搀 愀琀琀漀爀渀攀礀猀 栀愀瘀攀 爀攀瘀椀攀眀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 琀漀瀀椀挀 愀渀搀 愀最爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀椀猀ഊassessment. ਀ഊI was asked to examine the best way to both ensure a safe fighting ਀攀渀瘀椀爀漀渀洀攀渀琀 昀漀爀 漀甀爀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀漀 挀漀洀瀀氀礀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 猀琀愀琀攀 愀渀搀ഊcountry laws. The relevant laws vary from state by state, county by ਀挀漀甀渀琀礀 愀渀搀 挀漀甀渀琀爀礀 戀礀 挀漀甀渀琀爀礀⸀ 䤀 搀攀琀攀爀洀椀渀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 眀愀礀 琀漀 搀漀 琀栀椀猀ഊwould be to make "waterbearing" unofficial and unsanctioned by the SCA, ਀䤀渀挀⸀ 愀渀搀 瀀爀漀瀀漀猀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 挀栀愀渀最攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䈀漀愀爀搀⸀ 吀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 漀瀀琀椀漀渀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊbe to regulate waterbearing, and to regulate it such that it follows the ਀瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 昀漀漀搀 猀愀昀攀琀礀 挀漀搀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 猀琀愀琀攀猀 愀渀搀 挀漀甀渀琀爀椀攀猀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀ഊparticipates in. This would be unwieldy, impractical and expensive for ਀琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 琀漀 搀漀⸀ 䘀甀爀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀ഊto continue to serve our fighters using any of the current methods of ਀眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 瀀爀漀瀀漀猀愀氀 瀀甀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀栀椀瀀 昀漀爀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 猀琀漀瀀ഊwaterbearing by any SCA branch or other official group. The SCA would ਀渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀 漀昀昀椀挀攀 漀昀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀 愀琀 愀渀礀 氀攀瘀攀氀⸀ 䴀愀爀猀栀愀氀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 猀琀椀氀氀 戀攀ഊpermitted to allow waterbearers on the field, but any waterbearing must ਀渀漀琀 戀攀 搀漀渀攀 戀礀 愀渀礀 漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀氀礀 猀愀渀挀琀椀漀渀攀搀 漀爀 爀攀最甀氀愀琀攀搀 最爀漀甀瀀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀⸀ഊHouseholds are welcome to provide water to fighters, as are unofficial ਀愀渀搀 甀渀爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀攀搀 ∀最甀椀氀搀猀∀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 戀愀爀 最爀漀甀瀀猀 昀爀漀洀 瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 漀甀琀 琀栀攀ഊ"serve yourself water coolers" at events. (In my Kingdom they are ਀甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀 戀椀最 漀爀愀渀最攀 挀礀氀椀渀搀攀爀猀⸀⤀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 䈀漀愀爀搀 愀渀搀 䌀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀攀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀猀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀渀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀愀瘀攀 猀瀀攀渀琀ഊtime waterbearing within the official framework, and now hope that you ਀挀漀渀琀椀渀甀攀 琀漀 瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀 甀渀漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀氀礀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 瀀爀漀瀀漀猀愀氀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 琀漀ഊenable fighters to continue to have a waterbearing service provided to ਀琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 攀砀琀爀攀洀攀氀礀 猀琀爀椀挀琀 最漀瘀攀爀渀愀渀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最ഊwill require. ਀ഊThe actual text of the proposed rule is below. This rule has not yet ਀戀攀攀渀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瘀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䈀漀愀爀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀猀 戀攀椀渀最 猀攀渀琀 漀甀琀 昀漀爀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀 栀攀爀攀⸀ 吀栀攀ഊDirectors request comments from the membership regarding this proposed ਀爀攀瘀椀猀椀漀渀 渀漀 氀愀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 伀挀琀漀戀攀爀 ㄀猀琀Ⰰ ㈀　　㠀⸀ 倀氀攀愀猀攀 猀攀渀搀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀㨀ഊCorpora Revision ਀匀䌀䄀 䤀渀挀⸀ഊBox 360789 ਀䴀椀氀瀀椀琀愀猀 䌀䄀Ⰰ 㤀㔀　㌀㘀ഊemail: comments at sca.org ਀ഊThank you for commenting. ਀ഊPatrick Anderson ਀倀爀攀猀椀搀攀渀琀Ⰰ 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 昀漀爀 䌀爀攀愀琀椀瘀攀 䄀渀愀挀栀爀漀渀椀猀洀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀ഊ ਀倀爀漀瀀漀猀攀搀 氀愀渀最甀愀最攀 琀漀 戀攀 愀搀搀攀搀 琀漀 䌀漀爀瀀漀爀愀㨀ഊThe activity of providing beverages to combatants and spectators at SCA ਀䌀漀洀戀愀琀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀椀攀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀 爀攀最甀氀愀琀攀搀Ⰰ 眀愀爀爀愀渀琀攀搀Ⰰ 漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀搀Ⰰ 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀氀攀搀Ⰰ 漀爀ഊsanctioned by the SCA, Inc. or any affiliate or subsidiary entity. All ਀眀愀爀爀愀渀琀猀Ⰰ 愀甀琀栀漀爀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀 昀漀爀洀愀氀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀礀ഊare by publication of this change revoked. This document does not either ਀愀搀搀爀攀猀猀 漀爀 爀攀猀琀爀椀挀琀 猀甀挀栀 瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀礀 漀爀 琀栀攀 洀攀琀栀漀搀猀 戀礀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀琀ഊoccurs. ਀ഊ-- ਀倀愀琀爀椀挀欀 䄀渀搀攀爀猀漀渀ഊPresident ਀匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 昀漀爀 䌀爀攀愀琀椀瘀攀 䄀渀愀挀栀爀漀渀椀猀洀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀ഊpresident at sca.org ਀㤀㔀㈀ⴀ㐀㄀㈀ⴀ㐀㄀㄀㈀ഊComments are strongly encouraged and can be sent to: ਀匀䌀䄀 䤀渀挀⸀ഊBox 360789 ਀䴀椀氀瀀椀琀愀猀Ⰰ  䌀䄀 㤀㔀　㌀㘀ഊYou may also email comments at lists.sca.org. ਀吀栀椀猀 愀渀渀漀甀渀挀攀洀攀渀琀 椀猀 愀渀 漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 爀攀氀攀愀猀攀 戀礀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀ഊfor Creative Anachronism , Inc. Permission is granted to reproduce ਀琀栀椀猀 愀渀渀漀甀渀挀攀洀攀渀琀 椀渀 椀琀猀 攀渀琀椀爀攀琀礀 椀渀 渀攀眀猀氀攀琀琀攀爀猀Ⰰ 眀攀戀猀椀琀攀猀 愀渀搀ഊelectronic mailing lists. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䠀椀氀氀愀爀礀 䜀爀攀攀渀猀氀愀搀攀 㰀栀椀氀氀愀爀礀爀最 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: June 25, 2008 4:13:22 PM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊSubject: Re: [Ansteorra] Calontir waterbearing ਀ഊ<<< Though I was quite taken aback by the contact water-bearing, I surmise that ਀䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀✀猀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 挀愀洀愀爀愀搀攀爀椀攀 愀渀搀 攀猀瀀爀椀琀 搀攀 挀漀爀瀀猀 氀攀渀搀猀 椀琀猀攀氀昀 琀漀 猀甀挀栀 愀ഊpractice. I will definitely be going back, though I will take steps to insure my own water. :-) ਀䈀愀爀漀渀 䄀爀洀愀渀搀 䐀爀愀最漀渀攀琀琀椀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䴀礀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀 椀猀 搀攀琀攀爀洀椀渀攀搀 渀漀琀 琀漀 漀昀昀攀爀 伀一䰀夀 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最Ⰰ 椀渀 搀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 挀氀漀猀攀搀 昀愀挀攀 栀攀氀洀猀 愀渀搀 挀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 猀焀甀椀爀琀ⴀ琀漀瀀猀 椀渀 琀漀 愀 洀漀甀琀栀 漀瀀攀渀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 攀砀椀猀琀 漀爀 眀愀猀 琀漀漀 猀洀愀氀氀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 漀昀昀攀爀 戀漀琀栀 挀栀漀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 挀愀渀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀⸀  ഊ ਀吀栀攀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 挀栀漀椀挀攀 琀漀 甀猀攀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 漀爀 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 欀渀漀眀猀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀猀攀焀甀攀渀挀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 挀栀漀椀挀攀⸀  䈀甀琀Ⰰ 愀猀 愀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀Ⰰ 䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀椀 愀爀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀攀瘀攀爀 挀栀漀椀挀攀 眀愀猀 洀愀搀攀⸀  匀漀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 猀琀椀氀氀 漀昀昀攀爀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最 ⠀眀椀琀栀 愀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 猀琀爀愀眀 琀漀 猀氀甀爀瀀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀攀 瀀氀愀琀攀⤀ 䄀一䐀 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀⸀   ഊ ਀䤀昀 愀琀 䰀椀氀氀椀攀猀 琀栀椀猀 礀攀愀爀 琀栀攀礀 漀渀氀礀 漀昀昀攀爀攀搀 琀栀攀 漀渀攀 ⠀渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀渀琀愀挀琀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 眀爀漀渀最⸀   ഊ ਀䠀椀氀氀愀爀礀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Hugh & Belinda Niewoehner ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䨀甀渀攀 ㈀㔀Ⰰ ㈀　　㠀 㘀㨀㄀㐀㨀㔀㌀ 倀䴀 䌀䐀吀ഊTo: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最ഊ ਀䜀甀琀攀渀 吀愀最Ⰰഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 最漀攀猀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 愀 瀀攀爀攀渀渀椀愀氀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 攀瘀攀爀礀眀栀攀爀攀⸀⸀⸀瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀猀 ⠀漀爀 氀愀挀欀 琀栀攀爀攀漀昀⤀⸀ ഊI heard the head waterbearer on Monday say he just didn't have enough people to carry regular jugs and non-contact. Therefore they had the non-contact bottles filled and ready, 2 per shoulder bag, but they did not actually carry them out onto the field. For those who have not been to Lilies the farthest you'd have to walk (worst case) is about 75-100 yards. For the ressurection battles a lady who required a scooter for mobility utilized the cargo basket on the back to make water runs to and from the main water point to the res. points. ਀ഊNote, they sterilized the jugs and tubes between each refill. A few years ago there was a discussion on the Calonet about the contact/non-contact thing and it was postulated by someone (IIRC a doctor) that the odds of passing something was statistically insignificant. If the choices are hydration vs. passing a potentially communicable disease, dehydration was the greater threat to the health of the participant. Those with compromised immune systems know that fact and generally plan for it by having their own supply. ਀ഊIn my case, I just don't feel that I get enough water through a little squirt nozzle. I have a fairly large water jug with a large pouring spout that I keep with my gear. Fortunately the Lilies battlefield is close to the shade flys provided for an armoring area. In a pinch, yeah I'll used the bottles with the straws. If you pay attention, you can grab a bearer who is just arriving with a freshly filled jug. As Hillary said. Like it or not they're going to make sure they get water to you. The choice is yours. ਀ഊArmand, glad you had a good time. Some of the scenarios sounded a little weird but all in all it was a lot of fun. The shepherds vs. villagers was a blast. And to get a ride on Yrsa was the cream on the cake. ਀刀攀最愀爀搀猀Ⰰഊ ਀   䐀愀洀漀渀 䠀爀漀愀爀猀猀漀渀Ⰰ 䠀䔀 䈀漀爀爀攀渀搀栀氀ഊ ਀䐀爀愀最漀渀攀琀琀椀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<<< They offered both. But I only saw the straws in gallon jugs being carried to ਀琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 戀礀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀ⴀ戀攀愀爀攀爀猀⸀ 䘀漀爀 猀焀甀椀爀琀ⴀ琀漀瀀 眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 眀攀爀攀ഊinvited to trek over to the water bearers station (not terribly far), where ਀琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀ㴀䄀爀洀愀渀搀㴀ⴀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀  ഊFrom: Tim McDaniel ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䄀甀最甀猀琀 ㈀㘀Ⰰ ㈀　　㠀 㐀㨀㈀㈀㨀㔀㐀 倀䴀 䌀䐀吀ഊTo: Barony of Bryn Gwlad ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀䈀爀礀渀ⴀ最眀氀愀搀崀 䠀礀搀爀愀琀椀漀渀ഊ ਀㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀挀渀渀⸀挀漀洀⼀㈀　　㠀⼀䠀䔀䄀䰀吀䠀⼀搀椀攀琀⸀昀椀琀渀攀猀猀⼀　㠀⼀㈀㘀⼀挀氀⸀最攀琀⸀昀氀甀椀搀猀⼀椀渀搀攀砀⸀栀琀洀氀㸀ഊis an interesting article on getting enough water. It mentions, in ਀瀀愀爀琀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 昀漀漀搀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 洀漀爀攀 漀爀 氀攀猀猀 眀愀琀攀爀 ⠀搀攀瀀攀渀搀椀渀最 漀渀 琀礀瀀攀 愀渀搀ഊcooking). I was also struck by these paragraphs: ਀ഊ Caffeine considerations ਀ഊ You may have heard about the dehydrating effects of caffeine. But ਀    氀攀愀搀椀渀最 栀攀愀氀琀栀 愀甀琀栀漀爀椀琀椀攀猀 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 䤀渀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀 漀昀 䴀攀搀椀挀椀渀攀 愀渀搀ഊ the American College of Sports Medicine say that's a myth. While ਀    挀愀昀昀攀椀渀攀 搀漀攀猀 猀椀最渀愀氀 漀甀爀 欀椀搀渀攀礀猀 琀漀 爀椀搀 漀甀爀 戀漀搀椀攀猀 漀昀 攀砀挀攀猀猀ഊ water, it does so for only a short time, so we still retain more ਀    昀氀甀椀搀 琀栀愀渀 眀攀 氀漀猀攀 愀昀琀攀爀 猀椀瀀瀀椀渀最 愀 挀愀昀昀攀椀渀愀琀攀搀 戀攀瘀攀爀愀最攀⸀ഊ ਀    吀栀攀 䤀渀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀 漀昀 䴀攀搀椀挀椀渀攀 爀攀瀀漀爀琀猀 挀愀昀昀攀椀渀愀琀攀搀 戀攀瘀攀爀愀最攀猀 挀漀渀琀爀椀戀甀琀攀ഊ to our daily water needs as much as noncaffeinated drinks. In a ਀    猀琀甀搀礀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀 ㈀　　㜀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 䨀漀甀爀渀愀氀 漀昀 匀瀀漀爀琀ഊ Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism, when researchers asked cyclists ਀    琀漀 戀椀欀攀 昀漀爀 琀眀漀ⴀ瀀氀甀猀 栀漀甀爀猀 甀渀搀攀爀 栀漀琀Ⰰ 栀甀洀椀搀 挀漀渀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 昀漀甀渀搀ഊ a caffeine-infused sports drink was as hydrating as a traditional ਀    猀瀀漀爀琀猀 搀爀椀渀欀⸀ഊ ਀䐀愀渀椀攀氀 搀攀 䰀椀渀搀漀渀椀漀 眀椀氀氀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀 眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀礀眀愀礀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 栀攀ഊthinks it tastes more refreshing ਀ⴀⴀ ഊTim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 吀栀爀攀氀欀攀氀搀 㰀爀樀琀 愀琀 猀漀昀琀眀愀爀攀椀渀渀漀瘀愀琀椀漀渀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: February 15, 2009 2:04:17 PM CST ਀吀漀㨀 㰀瘀洀愀爀猀栀 愀琀 琀眀洀愀爀猀栀⸀渀攀琀㸀Ⰰ ∀✀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 ⴀ 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ  䤀渀挀⸀✀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Ansteorra] Sad Kingdom Law Change ਀ഊActually, this was debated and discussed greatly through most of 2008 on the ਀䌀栀椀爀甀爀最攀漀渀 愀渀搀 圀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀攀爀 氀椀猀琀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 漀渀 漀琀栀攀爀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀ 䤀 眀愀猀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 椀琀Ⰰഊbut I have to admit there was a lot of transparency. Most people discussing ਀椀琀 洀椀猀猀攀搀 琀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀Ⰰ 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 氀椀愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 瀀攀爀 猀攀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀ഊactions of the modern bureaucracies (particularly in Texas). ਀ഊIn Texas, they were tasked by the legislature to investigate and regulate ਀琀栀攀 昀甀爀渀椀猀栀椀渀最 漀昀 昀漀漀搀 ⠀愀渀搀 眀愀琀攀爀 眀愀猀 搀攀昀椀渀攀搀 愀猀 愀 昀漀漀搀 戀礀 䘀䐀䄀 爀攀最甀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀⤀ഊto others whether for profit or not. They were not given any money to do ਀琀栀椀猀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 琀漀氀搀 琀栀攀礀 挀漀甀氀搀 椀渀瘀攀猀琀椀最愀琀攀 椀昀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 漀渀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀愀椀渀琀 愀渀搀ഊmust investigate if there were more than one. They tried to charge the costs ਀琀漀 琀栀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀愀椀渀攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀搀 琀栀攀 甀渀搀攀猀椀爀愀戀氀攀 猀椀搀攀 攀昀昀攀挀琀 漀昀 搀愀洀瀀攀渀椀渀最ഊ(ignore the pun) complaints. So the only one left is the one being ਀椀渀瘀攀猀琀椀最愀琀攀搀⸀ 匀漀 琀栀攀 挀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀瘀攀猀琀椀最愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀瀀 漀爀ഊindividual being investigated whether or not they turn out to have done ਀愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 眀爀漀渀最⸀ 吀栀愀琀 挀漀猀琀 椀猀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 漀瘀攀爀 ␀㄀　Ⰰ　　　 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 椀渀瘀攀猀琀椀最愀琀漀爀✀猀ഊtime, lab work, site visits, interviews, etc. ਀ഊThey don't go after individuals (so far), but they do go after organized ਀最爀漀甀瀀猀 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 挀栀甀爀挀栀 最爀漀甀瀀猀Ⰰ 猀挀漀甀琀 最爀漀甀瀀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 渀漀渀ⴀ瀀爀漀昀椀琀猀 ⠀氀椀欀攀ഊus). That is a lot of cost when you have done nothing wrong. ਀ഊOther states and countries had similar issues. Since feasts were done ਀椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀氀礀 戀礀 琀栀攀 栀攀愀搀 挀漀漀欀猀 眀栀漀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀琀 搀漀椀渀最 愀 眀愀爀爀愀渀琀攀搀 昀甀渀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀ഊthe group at the time, the food was furnished and prepared by individuals ਀⠀攀瘀攀渀 琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 洀漀渀攀礀 眀愀猀 愀搀瘀愀渀挀攀搀 愀渀搀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀瀀⤀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 爀甀氀椀渀最ഊputs water bearers in approximately the same position. Of course, any good ਀氀愀眀礀攀爀 眀椀氀氀 琀爀礀 琀漀 猀甀攀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 猀甀攀 琀栀攀 挀漀漀欀猀⼀眀愀琀攀爀 戀攀愀爀攀爀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀ഊsuing is not the question here. The regulatory structure did not follow that ਀氀漀最椀挀 ⠀漀爀 椀氀氀漀最椀挀⤀⸀ഊ ਀一漀琀攀 琀栀攀 匀攀渀攀猀挀栀愀氀 椀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 攀渀昀漀爀挀椀渀最 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀 氀愀眀猀 愀爀攀ഊapplicable at the site of any SCA event. So they must enforce food (and ਀眀愀琀攀爀⤀ 猀愀渀椀琀愀琀椀漀渀 爀攀最甀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 栀攀愀氀琀栀 爀攀最甀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 圀栀攀琀栀攀爀 琀栀攀礀ഊknow the applicable laws is another matter. They may choose to ask people ਀眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 琀爀愀椀渀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀 眀椀琀栀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀攀愀爀椀渀最 愀渀搀 愀氀氀漀眀ഊthem to use local group supplies to ensure their event is not breaking laws ਀ⴀ 漀爀 渀漀琀⸀ 䈀甀琀 愀 眀愀爀爀愀渀琀攀搀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀 椀猀 渀漀琀 椀渀 挀栀愀爀最攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀椀渀最ഊof water as part of their job as an officer of the SCA. ਀ഊIn service, ਀䌀愀攀氀椀渀 漀渀 䄀渀搀爀攀搀攀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: "Jay Rudin" ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀攀戀爀甀愀爀礀 ㄀㜀Ⰰ ㈀　　㤀 㤀㨀㔀㠀㨀㈀㤀 䄀䴀 䌀匀吀ഊTo: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 圀愀琀攀爀ⴀ戀攀愀爀椀渀最 愀渀搀 氀攀最愀氀 爀椀猀欀猀ഊ ਀倀漀漀欀礀 愀猀欀攀搀㨀ഊ<<< Sure we can say let them fight and hydrate (or not) at their own risk ਀琀栀愀琀 眀愀礀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 戀攀 氀攀猀猀 挀甀氀瀀愀戀氀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀攀爀攀 椀猀 眀栀攀爀攀 洀礀 氀愀挀欀 漀昀ഊmodern understanding comes to query, is Society even more at legal ਀爀椀猀欀 昀漀爀 瀀攀爀洀椀琀琀椀渀最 愀渀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀礀 愀渀搀 瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀氀礀 渀漀琀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀椀渀最 愀 挀爀甀挀椀愀氀ഊsafety feature like hydration when the cause and effect is so clear ਀挀甀琀㼀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 椀猀 愀 氀漀琀 氀漀渀最攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀猀 琀栀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 氀攀最愀氀 挀愀猀攀猀 愀渀搀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 戀甀爀攀愀甀挀爀愀挀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 猀栀漀爀琀Ⰰ 攀愀猀礀Ⰰ 猀漀爀琀愀ⴀ瘀愀最甀攀氀礀 琀爀甀攀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀昀 瀀爀椀瘀愀琀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀猀 栀攀氀瀀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 愀 瀀爀椀瘀愀琀攀 愀挀琀 ⴀⴀ 渀漀戀漀搀礀✀猀 戀甀猀椀渀攀猀猀 戀甀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀⸀  䈀甀琀 椀昀 愀 挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 猀愀礀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 栀攀欀氀瀀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 椀琀✀猀 愀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀 挀漀洀洀椀琀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 挀愀渀 搀攀瀀攀渀搀 漀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀琀攀 挀愀渀 爀攀最甀氀愀琀攀⸀  䤀昀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 㤀㤀 琀椀洀攀猀 漀甀琀 漀昀 ㄀　　Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 眀栀攀渀 猀漀洀攀戀漀搀礀 最攀琀猀 搀攀栀礀搀爀愀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 ㄀　　琀栀 琀椀洀攀 愀琀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀Ⰰ 渀攀眀 猀栀椀爀攀✀猀 昀椀爀猀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 戀爀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 栀攀 欀渀攀眀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 眀漀甀氀搀 搀漀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀䈀礀 最椀瘀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀 漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 眀攀 栀愀瘀攀 猀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 挀愀渀 搀攀瀀攀渀搀 漀渀 甀猀⸀ 吀栀攀渀Ⰰ 椀昀 眀攀✀爀攀 渀漀琀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀Ⰰ 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 栀甀爀琀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 漀甀爀 昀愀椀氀甀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀䄀搀搀 琀漀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 猀攀爀瘀椀渀最 昀漀漀搀 愀渀搀 眀愀琀攀爀 椀猀 爀攀最甀氀愀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀琀攀⸀ 䤀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀琀攀 爀攀最甀氀愀琀漀爀礀 戀漀愀爀搀 栀攀愀爀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 愀爀攀 搀漀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 甀渀猀愀昀攀 ⴀⴀ  猀愀礀Ⰰ 氀攀琀琀椀渀最 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 漀渀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 搀爀椀渀欀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 ⴀⴀ 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 猀琀愀爀琀 愀渀 椀渀瘀攀猀琀椀最愀琀椀漀渀 䄀一䐀 䴀䄀䬀䔀 唀匀 倀䄀夀 吀䠀䔀䤀刀 䌀伀匀吀匀⸀  䔀瘀攀渀 椀昀 眀攀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀栀椀渀最 眀爀漀渀最⸀  䔀瘀攀渀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 瀀爀漀瘀攀 眀攀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀栀椀渀最 眀爀漀渀最⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 愀渀渀漀礀椀渀最 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀瘀漀椀搀椀渀最 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 愀挀琀椀漀渀猀 栀攀爀攀 椀猀渀✀琀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 ⴀⴀ 椀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀琀攀 漀昀 吀攀砀愀猀⸀ഊ ਀刀漀戀椀渀 漀昀 䜀椀氀眀攀氀氀 ⼀ 䨀愀礀 刀甀搀椀渀ഊ ਀倀⸀匀⸀  䤀 爀攀瀀攀愀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 爀攀愀氀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 椀猀 洀甀挀栀 洀漀爀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀砀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀氀愀椀洀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 椀琀 愀氀氀⸀  吀栀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀 椀猀 椀渀挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀 愀挀挀甀爀愀琀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 甀渀琀爀甀猀琀眀漀爀琀栀礀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 挀氀漀猀攀 琀漀 猀漀爀琀愀 欀椀渀搀愀 瘀愀最甀攀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 戀愀氀氀瀀愀爀欀 愀猀 琀栀攀 琀爀甀琀栀⸀ ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Ysabeau ਀吀漀㨀 䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 䈀爀礀渀 䜀眀氀愀搀 㰀戀爀礀渀ⴀ最眀氀愀搀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 11:48:50 AM ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䈀爀礀渀ⴀ最眀氀愀搀崀 匀焀甀椀爀琀礀 渀漀稀稀氀攀猀㼀ഊ ਀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 戀甀礀 琀栀攀 猀焀甀椀爀琀礀 渀漀稀稀氀攀猀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀氀礀⸀ 䤀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 戀甀礀 愀 挀愀猀攀 漀昀 戀漀琀琀氀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀洀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 爀攀甀猀攀 琀栀攀洀⸀ 䤀✀洀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 䌀漀猀琀挀漀 琀栀椀猀 愀昀琀攀爀渀漀漀渀 琀漀 戀甀礀 愀 挀愀猀攀 猀漀 䤀✀氀氀 洀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀 䤀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 漀渀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 猀焀甀椀爀琀 琀漀瀀猀⸀ഊ ਀夀猀愀戀攀愀甀ഊ ਀伀渀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 伀挀琀 ㄀Ⰰ ㈀　　㤀 愀琀 ㄀㄀㨀㐀㈀ 䄀䴀Ⰰ 娀愀挀栀 䴀漀猀琀 㰀挀氀攀爀洀漀渀琀㄀㌀㐀㠀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<<< I'm thinking my daughter might enjoy helping out the war company at 3 Queens by keeping folks hydrated, but she has no gear to do it. Where can you buy the squirty nozzles that the water bearers use on their bottles? ਀ 䜀愀猀琀漀渀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: "Ld. Alfred" ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 伀挀琀漀戀攀爀 ㈀Ⰰ ㈀　　㤀 ㄀㈀㨀　㤀㨀㐀㔀 倀䴀 䌀䐀吀ഊTo: Barony of Bryn Gwlad ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䈀爀礀渀ⴀ最眀氀愀搀崀 匀焀甀椀爀琀礀 渀漀稀稀氀攀猀㼀ഊ ਀䄀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 戀甀礀 琀栀攀 猀焀甀椀爀琀 琀漀瀀猀 ⴀ 椀昀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 戀甀礀 椀渀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 㔀　 ⠀琀栀愀琀 椀猀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 洀愀渀甀昀愀挀琀甀爀攀爀 䤀 戀漀甀最栀琀 琀栀攀洀 昀爀漀洀 猀攀氀氀猀 琀栀攀洀 戀礀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 猀攀琀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 眀愀琀攀爀戀攀愀爀椀渀最 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀⤀⸀  吀栀攀 洀愀椀渀 琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 椀渀 爀攀ⴀ甀猀椀渀最 猀焀甀椀爀琀 挀愀瀀猀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 渀漀琀 愀氀氀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 猀攀氀氀攀爀猀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 挀愀瀀猀 ⴀ 琀栀攀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀 愀爀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀⸀  䘀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 ∀猀瀀漀爀琀猀 挀愀瀀∀ 漀渀 愀渀 伀稀愀爀欀愀 戀漀搀礀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 昀椀琀 愀 䐀攀猀愀渀椀 戀漀琀琀氀攀Ⰰ 攀琀挀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀  䤀昀 琀栀攀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀 愀爀攀 洀椀猀ⴀ洀愀琀挀栀攀搀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 椀渀 昀漀爀 愀 猀漀最最礀 猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀攀 眀栀攀渀 琀漀漀 洀甀挀栀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 椀猀 愀瀀瀀氀椀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀昀爀攀搀ഊ ਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris waterbearing-msg Page 30 of 30 ਀ഊ