gate-guards-msg - 10/10/08 ਀ഊSuggestions on handling gate-guard for SCA events. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: evnt-stewards-msg, event-pricing-msg, privvies-msg, SCAguests-msg, SCA-land-msg, SCA-meetings-msg, tokens-msg, evnt-stwd-cltn-art. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀  栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀  栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀  愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀  漀昀  攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀  眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀  眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀  眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀  渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀  愀猀  琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀  漀昀  琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  最椀瘀攀渀  戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀  爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀  愀渀搀  攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀  琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀  琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀  挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀  漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀  椀猀  甀渀挀氀攀愀爀  愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀  椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  椀猀  瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀  昀爀漀洀  琀栀攀猀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊSubject: RE: ANST - WAS Big Fish-Now Newcomers and Paperwork ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㈀ 伀挀琀 㤀㠀 ㄀㜀㨀㄀㘀㨀㈀㘀 䴀匀吀ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." ਀吀漀㨀 ∀✀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀✀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀㸀ഊ ਀㸀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 愀琀 琀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 挀氀愀猀猀 漀渀 栀漀眀 琀漀 搀漀 最愀琀攀 愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀ഊ> (some call it troll). ਀ഊUnfortunately, controlling the gate is serious business. Money changes ਀栀愀渀搀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䔀砀挀栀攀焀甀攀爀 栀愀猀 愀 栀椀猀猀礀 昀椀琀 椀昀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 搀漀渀✀琀 戀愀氀愀渀挀攀⸀  䄀 昀攀眀ഊof us got tired of signing in three different books and when we did an event ਀最漀琀 琀栀攀 瀀愀瀀攀爀眀漀爀欀 搀漀眀渀 琀漀 漀渀攀 瀀愀最攀 ⠀洀甀渀搀愀渀攀氀礀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 甀猀 眀攀爀攀 戀甀爀攀愀甀挀爀愀琀猀Ⰰഊso we applied paperwork reduction). The back of each page has the waiver ਀瀀爀椀渀琀攀搀 漀渀 椀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 昀爀漀渀琀 栀愀猀 愀 氀椀渀攀 昀漀爀 攀愀挀栀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 猀椀最渀椀渀最 椀渀 眀椀琀栀 猀瀀愀挀攀猀ഊfor all of the pertinent information. In the book, the waiver can be read as ਀礀漀甀 猀椀最渀 椀渀Ⰰ 猀漀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 攀昀昀攀挀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 栀愀渀搀氀椀渀最Ⰰ 眀愀椀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 猀椀琀攀 昀攀攀 愀渀搀 昀攀愀猀琀 昀攀攀ഊin one pop. ਀ഊ> first time I went to a populace meeting, it was a class on how to ਀㸀 挀漀渀搀甀挀琀 琀爀漀氀氀⸀ഊ> The need to conduct these classes may be real, but can't they risk ਀㸀 爀甀渀渀椀渀最 漀昀昀 渀攀眀 昀漀氀欀 眀栀漀 挀漀洀攀 琀漀 愀 洀攀攀琀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀 琀栀愀琀ഊ> individual's Middle Ages interest is, ਀ഊAnyone can handle the above paperwork with about 15 minutes training. Every ਀栀愀氀昀 栀漀甀爀 漀爀 栀漀甀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀栀椀攀昀 最愀琀攀 最甀愀爀搀 漀渀 搀甀琀礀 挀漀甀渀琀猀 搀漀眀渀 琀栀攀 洀漀渀攀礀 戀漀砀ഊand prepares a drop envelope. The count is double checked by one of the ਀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 最愀琀攀⸀  圀栀攀渀 戀漀琀栀 愀最爀攀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀漀渀攀礀 椀猀 猀攀愀氀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊenvelope, the amount is written on it and the counters sign it. The money ਀椀猀 琀栀攀渀 瀀氀愀挀攀搀 椀渀 愀 氀漀挀欀攀搀 瘀攀栀椀挀氀攀⸀  圀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 最愀琀攀 挀氀漀猀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䔀砀挀栀攀焀甀攀爀ⰀഊSeneschal, Autocrat and Head Gate Guard usually count down the draw ਀瘀攀爀椀昀礀椀渀最 攀渀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀 挀漀渀琀攀渀琀猀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 攀渀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀 愀渀搀 洀愀琀挀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊmoney against totals in the sign in books. ਀ഊIn general, if there is a problem at the gate, you call the Head Gate Guard, ਀琀栀攀 䄀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀Ⰰ 漀爀 琀栀攀 匀攀渀攀猀挀栀愀氀⸀  吀栀攀 䠀攀愀搀 䜀愀琀攀 䜀甀愀爀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 猀攀爀瘀椀渀最ഊas the chief gate guard on duty may need to know more about how to handle ਀琀栀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 爀漀挀欀攀琀 猀挀椀攀渀挀攀⸀  夀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 爀甀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀ഊparties through the drill in less than an hour. ਀ഊ> Volstarr ਀ഊBear ਀ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䄀一匀吀 ⴀ 倀愀瀀攀爀眀漀爀欀 愀渀搀 匀椀最渀椀渀 戀漀漀欀猀ഊDate: Fri, 23 Oct 98 10:43:52 MST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䈀甀爀欀攀 䴀挀䌀爀漀爀礀 㰀戀洀挀挀爀漀爀礀 愀琀 漀欀琀愀砀⸀猀琀愀琀攀⸀漀欀⸀甀猀㸀ഊTo: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG ਀ഊ>> already at the point where there is a class on how to do gate at events ਀㸀㸀 ⠀猀漀洀攀 挀愀氀氀 椀琀 琀爀漀氀氀⤀⸀ഊ>> ਀㸀唀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀Ⰰ 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 最愀琀攀 椀猀 猀攀爀椀漀甀猀 戀甀猀椀渀攀猀猀⸀  䴀漀渀攀礀 挀栀愀渀最攀猀ഊ>hands and the Exchequer has a hissy fit if the books don't balance. A few ਀㸀漀昀 甀猀 最漀琀 琀椀爀攀搀 漀昀 猀椀最渀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀爀攀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 戀漀漀欀猀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 眀攀 搀椀搀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀ഊ>got the paperwork down to one page (mundanely most of us were bureaucrats, ਀㸀猀漀 眀攀 愀瀀瀀氀椀攀搀 瀀愀瀀攀爀眀漀爀欀 爀攀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀⤀⸀  吀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 漀昀 攀愀挀栀 瀀愀最攀 栀愀猀 琀栀攀 眀愀椀瘀攀爀ഊ>printed on it. The front has a line for each person signing in with spaces ਀㸀昀漀爀 愀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀琀椀渀攀渀琀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ 䤀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 眀愀椀瘀攀爀 挀愀渀 戀攀 爀攀愀搀 愀猀ഊ>you sign in, so you are effectively handling, waiver, site fee and feast fee ਀㸀椀渀 漀渀攀 瀀漀瀀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 猀椀琀攀 爀漀猀琀攀爀 眀愀椀瘀攀爀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 愀氀氀漀眀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀椀最渀ⴀ椀渀ഊsheets. They must be kept separate. The main reason for this is the ਀眀愀椀瘀攀爀猀 愀爀攀 氀攀最愀氀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 戀攀 猀攀渀琀 椀渀 琀漀 挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀攀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀ഊwould also require the sign-in books go with them. Please Do Not put the ਀眀愀椀瘀攀爀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀椀最渀ⴀ椀渀 戀漀漀欀 瀀愀最攀猀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 眀椀琀栀ഊputting any or all of the rest of the gate information on one page. ਀ഊSir Burke Kyriell MacDonald, OP ਀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 匀攀渀攀猀挀栀愀氀 昀漀爀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀ഊ ਀ഊSubject: RE: ANST - Paperwork and Signin books ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㈀㐀 伀挀琀 㤀㠀 　㌀㨀㈀㔀㨀㈀㜀 䴀匀吀ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." ਀吀漀㨀 ∀✀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀✀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀㸀ഊ ਀㸀 吀栀攀 猀椀琀攀 爀漀猀琀攀爀 眀愀椀瘀攀爀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 愀氀氀漀眀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀椀最渀ⴀ椀渀ഊ> sheets. They must be kept separate. The main reason for this is the ਀㸀 眀愀椀瘀攀爀猀 愀爀攀 氀攀最愀氀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 戀攀 猀攀渀琀 椀渀 琀漀 挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀攀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀ഊ> would also require the sign-in books go with them. Please Do Not put the ਀㸀 眀愀椀瘀攀爀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀椀最渀ⴀ椀渀 戀漀漀欀 瀀愀最攀猀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 眀椀琀栀ഊ> putting any or all of the rest of the gate information on one page. ਀㸀ഊ> Sir Burke Kyriell MacDonald, OP ਀㸀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 匀攀渀攀猀挀栀愀氀 昀漀爀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀ഊ ਀夀漀甀爀 挀愀氀氀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 挀漀瀀礀椀渀最 琀栀攀 昀椀氀氀攀搀 椀渀 瀀愀最攀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 昀椀渀愀渀挀椀愀氀 爀攀挀漀爀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊevent and sending the sign-in books to corporate meets the current legal ਀爀攀焀甀椀爀攀洀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 爀攀挀漀爀搀 渀攀攀搀猀⸀ഊ ਀䈀攀愀爀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:28:39 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀吀攀爀爀礀 䐀攀挀欀攀爀∀ 㰀琀⸀搀⸀搀攀挀欀攀爀 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀渀攀琀⸀愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] remove vs course ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀㸀 夀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 ∀瀀漀爀琀攀爀∀ 眀愀猀 愀 挀氀漀猀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊ> person in charge of the gate. This title derives from portcullis. ਀㸀ഊ> Lyse ਀ഊActually, the title derives from the Late Latin "portarius" (gatekeeper or ਀搀漀漀爀欀攀攀瀀攀爀⤀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 最甀愀爀搀椀愀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ∀瀀漀爀琀愀∀ ⠀最愀琀攀 漀爀 搀漀漀爀⤀⸀  吀栀攀 甀猀攀 漀昀ഊporter in English predates the use of porticullis according to the OED. ਀ഊPorticullis derives from the Old French (about 1200 CE) "porte coleice," ਀氀椀琀攀爀愀氀氀礀 ∀猀氀椀搀椀渀最 最愀琀攀⸀∀ഊ ਀䈀攀愀爀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:15:14 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䜀爀攀琀挀栀攀渀 䈀攀挀欀 㰀最爀洀 愀琀 愀渀搀爀攀眀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀ伀渀 䴀漀渀搀愀礀Ⰰ 䄀瀀爀椀氀 ㌀　Ⰰ ㈀　　㜀 㐀㨀㄀㈀ 倀䴀 ⴀ　㐀　　 䔀氀愀椀渀攀 䬀漀漀最氀攀爀ഊ wrote: ਀㸀 䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 愀渀 愀氀琀攀爀渀愀琀攀 琀椀琀氀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 眀栀漀ഊ> checks people in to an SCA event. Our person uses the term "troll" which ਀㸀 椀猀 戀攀最椀渀渀椀渀最 琀漀 最爀愀琀攀 漀渀 洀礀 渀攀爀瘀攀猀⸀⸀⸀愀氀洀漀猀琀 愀猀 戀愀搀氀礀 愀猀ഊ> "feastocrat"...though at least troll is a real word, and one that was ਀㸀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀 渀漀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀 瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀礀 渀漀琀 倀漀爀琀攀爀㼀 䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 伀䔀䐀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 甀猀愀最攀 搀愀琀攀猀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 ㄀㌀　　ഊwith the definition " 1. a. A gatekeeper, esp. at the entrance of a ਀昀漀爀琀椀昀椀攀搀 琀漀眀渀 漀爀 挀愀猀琀氀攀㬀 愀 搀漀漀爀欀攀攀瀀攀爀㬀 ⠀渀漀眀⤀ 攀猀瀀⸀ 愀渀 攀洀瀀氀漀礀攀攀 椀渀 挀栀愀爀最攀 漀昀ഊthe entrance of a hotel, block of flats, college, or other large ਀戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最⸀∀ഊ ਀琀漀漀搀氀攀猀Ⰰ 洀愀爀最愀爀攀琀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:17:44 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 夀猀愀戀攀愀甀 㰀氀愀搀礀⸀礀猀愀戀攀愀甀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䤀 樀甀猀琀 琀礀瀀攀搀 愀渀 攀洀愀椀氀 愀渀搀 昀漀甀渀搀 洀礀猀攀氀昀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最⸀⸀⸀猀漀 䤀ഊjust called that person "gatekeeper". We call it the gate in Ansteorra ਀⠀栀愀瘀椀渀最 洀愀渀愀最攀搀 琀漀 搀漀 愀眀愀礀 眀椀琀栀 琀爀漀氀氀⤀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 最愀琀攀欀攀攀瀀攀爀Ⰰഊright? ਀ഊYsabeau ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㌀　 䄀瀀爀 ㈀　　㜀 ㄀㘀㨀㌀㐀㨀㔀㐀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Johnna Holloway ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䄀氀琀攀爀渀愀琀攀 琀椀琀氀攀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊAccount keepers at colleges were bursars. it goes along with butlers and ਀猀琀攀眀愀爀搀猀⸀ഊ ਀䨀漀栀渀渀愀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 01 May 2007 08:48:18 +1200 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀搀攀氀攀 搀攀 䴀愀椀猀椀攀爀攀猀 㰀氀愀搀礀愀搀攀氀攀 愀琀 瀀愀爀愀搀椀猀攀⸀渀攀琀⸀渀稀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀㸀 圀栀礀 渀漀琀 倀漀爀琀攀爀㼀ഊ ਀䤀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀愀琀⸀  䤀琀 昀椀琀猀 椀渀 眀攀氀氀 眀椀琀栀 ∀挀漀漀欀∀ 愀渀搀 ∀猀琀攀眀愀爀搀∀⸀  䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀ഊpossibility might be Gate Warden. ਀ⴀⴀ ഊAdele de Maisieres ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㌀　 䄀瀀爀 ㈀　　㜀 ㈀　㨀㔀㐀㨀㌀㔀 䔀䐀吀ഊFrom: Bronwynmgn at aol.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䄀氀琀攀爀渀愀琀攀 琀椀琀氀攀ഊTo: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org ਀ഊI believe that the period term for the person in charge of access to the ਀最愀琀攀 漀昀 愀 欀攀攀瀀 漀爀 洀漀渀愀猀琀攀爀礀 眀愀猀 ∀瀀漀爀琀攀爀∀⸀  唀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀Ⰰ 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀Ⰰഊthat term has been designated for the Kingdom level officer in charge of ਀栀攀氀瀀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 愀挀挀攀猀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀椀琀栀 搀椀猀愀戀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀Ⰰ 猀漀 椀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀⸀ഊHow about gatekeeper for the person and gate for the place? It's better than ਀琀爀漀氀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 愀洀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 琀攀愀挀栀 洀礀猀攀氀昀 琀漀 甀猀攀⸀ഊ ਀䈀爀愀渀最眀愀礀渀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:25:30 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀吀攀爀爀礀 䐀攀挀欀攀爀∀ 㰀琀⸀搀⸀搀攀挀欀攀爀 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀渀攀琀⸀愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䜀愀琀攀欀攀攀瀀攀爀 眀漀爀欀猀 昀椀渀攀⸀  夀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 琀爀礀 琀栀攀 䰀愀琀椀渀 琀攀爀洀 ∀瀀漀爀琀愀爀椀甀猀Ⰰ∀ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀ഊfor our purposes "warder" is probably a better choice with the person in ਀挀栀愀爀最攀 戀攀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ∀圀愀爀搀攀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䜀愀琀攀⸀∀  䨀甀猀琀 昀漀爀 昀甀渀Ⰰ 愀 瀀漀爀琀攀爀 愀琀 愀ഊreligious institution might also be referred to as "ostiary." ਀ഊBear ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀ 䴀愀礀 ㈀　　㜀 ㄀㔀㨀㄀㠀㨀㈀㠀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䄀氀琀攀爀渀愀琀攀 琀椀琀氀攀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊ> I know we discussed this in the past, but I didn't keep the message. Does ਀㸀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 愀渀 愀氀琀攀爀渀愀琀攀 琀椀琀氀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀  ഊ> who checks people in to an SCA event. ਀ഊRegistrar. ਀ⴀⴀ ഊ-- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne at fiedlerfamily.net ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ最愀琀攀ⴀ最甀愀爀搀猀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 㔀 漀昀 㔀ഊ ਊ