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event-maps-msg - 12/26/11


Ideas and suggestions for making maps to SCA events.


NOTE: See also the files: gate-guards-msg, maps-msg, hotel-events-msg, evnt-stewards-msg, reservations-msg, waterbearing-msg, demos-msg, tokens-msg.


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    Mark S. Harris                 AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

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Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] Bryn Gwlad Baronial Championship Oversight

Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:10:41 -0500

From: "ebrown" <caladin at io.com>

To: <bryn-gwlad at ansteorra.org>


> > Yes, hussah, it was an excellent event, and thanks are definitely due to

> > everyone who pitched in and made it so good! Once i got there all was

> > wonderful, and the feast was superb!

> >

> > (With the sole exception of map and directions, which were less than

> > excellent by a wide mark, IMHO)

> >

> > caladin

>

> I take it,then, that Calidin is in charge of maps and directions for the

> next event. ;-)

>

> Pendaran


As I remember I've made maps for you before, Pendaren :)


Actaully even good maps are really quite simple.. Just follow the Three

rules and the one Hi tech addemdum and you'll do fabulously.. but omitting even one of the three rules can bite you in the heiny....


The rules are:


1. Always have a compass rose displaying North.

2. Always Show the name of every road , and the name and number of any exit.

3. Always Show distances between each turn accurate to 10ths of a

mile....after you turn off the highway


and the "High tech addendum", which is not required but is awefully clever

and a general good idea...


After you have finished your map, goto Mapquest.com and check to see if

you've accurately described to roads turns and the approximate scale...


Two weeks ago at elfsea was a classic example... on the map the road was

straight... in mapquest.com it showed a 90 degree turn half way down to the

site...



Subject: [Bryn-gwlad] Map FU....

Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:10:15 -0500

From: "Eric Brown" <caladin at io.com>

To: <bryn-gwlad at ansteorra.org>


I whipped something together and put it up if anyone is interested in

takeing a look and giving be feedback, i'd appreacite it...


http://www.io.com/~caladin/maps.htm


C-


P.S. If some of the examples are taken from real life, please no one get

upset....it's just a good example.. :)



From: "Haraldr Bassi (Ansteorra lists)" <ansteorra at haraldr.drakkar.org>

Date: January 7, 2008 7:16:12 PM CST

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Locations


Greetings from another relative newcomer to Ansteorra,


Replying publicly so that future event staff will hear my request as  

well... May I also suggest encouraging

people to use street numbers and street names that resolve in the  

various mapping software and commonly used GPS navigation systems.


Most events I've attended in this kingdom I've had to guess and  

search to find something I could enter into

the GPS systems in my vehicles to guide me on my way around this new,  

to me, kingdom. I know that some

kingdoms have a requirement that to be 'official' the event needs to  

have a street address or state 'no street

address'. But even most of those events always had an actual street  

address when you drove out there with a GPS system :)


Haraldr



From: "Maria Buchanan" <scarlettmb at sbcglobal.net>

Date: January 7, 2008 8:04:56 PM CST

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Locations


The problem with some street addresses is that the entrance to a site  

is not always on the street that the address is listed on.


In Gate's Edge we have most of our events at a site called Camp Camwood.

You may have been there.  The problem is the address is listed on one street

but that's where the mailbox is. Not where the entrance to the site is.

The entrance is actually down the street and around a corner.  You can't map

that location though.  If you map the site you get the street address and

then it's just confusing.  Now we actually put SCA signs on the road so you

know where to turn.


I'd hope that groups that also have that problem would do the same  

thing.


Maria

----- Original Message -----

From: "Lisa A. May" <maaggie1 at gmail.com>

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 7:38 PM

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Locations


> I'm with Haraldr on this one.  Often enough to be annoying, for

> official events, there is no street address for the site.  Sometimes

> a PO box is given, sometimes an intersection, and sometimes just the

> site's name.  As someone who is directionally challenged <grin>, I've

> more than once had to spend considerable time on the internet finding

> an address I can type in to my GPS system in my car.  Occasionally,

> I've had to just wing it, which is certainly doable, but when you're

> driving alone, it's nice not to have to stop to consult your map,

> especially when you have a nice little electronic brain that could

> guide you if you only had an address!

>

> Maggie



From: "Ceallach mac Donal" <ceallach at dwarfworks.com>

Date: January 7, 2008 8:37:38 PM CST

To: "Maria Buchanan" <scarlettmb at sbcglobal.net>, "Kingdom of  

Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Locations


On Jan 7, 2008 8:04 PM, Maria Buchanan <scarlettmb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The problem with some street addresses is that the entrance to a  

> site is not always on the street that the address is listed on.

>

> In Gate's Edge we have most of our events at a site called Camp  

> Camwood.


A bit of playing around with Google Maps, Google Earth, or whatever

Microsoft's web map is will let you find out the coordinates for a

place, i.e.


Camp Camwood  at 30.117178,-95.807261


http://maps.google.com/maps?

f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Camp+Camwood+%

4030.117178,-95.807261&ie=UTF8&ll=30.117364,-95.807261&spn=0.010877,0.01

3669&t=h&z=16&om=1


*chuckle* I've actually gotten a Google "My Maps" with most of the SCA

event sites within a four hour drive of Austin in it now.


Ceallach



Subject: Re: How to post an event properly?

Posted by: "Eowyn Cenek" eowyn.cenek at gmail.com e_cenek

Date: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:16 am ((PDT))


Please, please, please don't just look over the directions.  Have someone who

has never been to the site follow them, exactly as written.  Both mapquest

and google maps are quite capable of sending you up small nonexistent dirt

roads, and when you've been on the road for 8+ hours, getting lost at the

last minute because the directions >looked< good (but were bad) is really

frustrating.


Also please don't assume everyone has GPS.  We don't.  The vehicles are paid

for and that's an upgrade we haven't budgeted yet.


Eowyn


On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Stefan li Rous

<stefanlirous at austin.rr.com>wrote:

<<< Phrases like "the same place as last year", do NOT cut it. Even people

who were there last year may not remember how to get there. And new

folks or folks from out of the area or kingdom are really in a fix

then. It is best before you publish directions to actually use them

to get to the site, or have someone else do this or at least look over

the directions. And with the increased availablity of smart cell

phones, put the directions to a site on the site's website. Sometimes

people forget to pack the Kingdom or local newsletter. >>>



Subject: Re: How to post an event properly?

Posted by: "Eowyn Cenek" eowyn.cenek at gmail.com e_cenek

Date: Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:22 am ((PDT))


If that was 2009, it's exactly the one I'm thinking of.  Following the

directions as posted led to arriving at the home of some very disgruntled

rednecks after traipsing down a dirt road.  And they weren't happy for the

company.  :)


Eowyn


On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Barbara Easley <barbara.easley at fedex.com>wrote:

<<< AMEN!! Google nearly sent folks to the next world with one of their

hair-brained directions in Arkansas one year (since been fixed by Google).

Scared several of us out of 10 years of our lives!


Ilissa the ditch-dodger >>>


----- Original Message -----

From: Eowyn Cenek <eowyn.cenek at gmail.com>

<<< Please please please don't just look over the directions. Have someone who has never been to the site follow them, exactly as written. Both mapquest and google maps are quite capable of sending you up small nonexistent dirt roads, and when you've been on the road for 8+ hours, getting lost at the last minute because the directions >looked< good (but were bad) is really frustrating.


Also please don't assume everyone has GPS. We don't. The vehicles are paid for and that's an upgrade we haven't budgeted yet.


Eowyn >>>



Subject: Re: How to post an event properly?

Posted by: "Leonard Hollar" lhollar at comcast.net ibriham2000

Date: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:47 am ((PDT))


This is very, _very_ good advice.  Did I say it was Really, really good

advice?


I once wrote a set of directions that left off one turn.  The Princess, and

her entourage, of Drachenwald was lost for hours and never forgave me.


It _is_ a REALLY good idea.


Ebrahim/Leonard


<<< Please please please don't just look over the directions. Have someone who

has never been to the site follow them, exactly as written. Both mapquest

and google maps are quite capable of sending you up small nonexistent dirt

roads, and when you've been on the road for 8+ hours, getting lost at the

last minute because the directions >looked< good (but were bad) is really

frustrating. >>>


<the end>




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