gate-guards-msg - 10/10/08 Suggestions on handling gate-guard for SCA events. NOTE: See also the files: evnt-stewards-msg, event-pricing-msg, privvies-msg, SCAguests-msg, SCA-land-msg, SCA-meetings-msg, tokens-msg, evnt-stwd-cltn-art. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ Subject: RE: ANST - WAS Big Fish-Now Newcomers and Paperwork Date: Thu, 22 Oct 98 17:16:26 MST From: "Decker, Terry D." To: "'ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG'" > already at the point where there is a class on how to do gate at events > (some call it troll). Unfortunately, controlling the gate is serious business. Money changes hands and the Exchequer has a hissy fit if the books don't balance. A few of us got tired of signing in three different books and when we did an event got the paperwork down to one page (mundanely most of us were bureaucrats, so we applied paperwork reduction). The back of each page has the waiver printed on it. The front has a line for each person signing in with spaces for all of the pertinent information. In the book, the waiver can be read as you sign in, so you are effectively handling, waiver, site fee and feast fee in one pop. > first time I went to a populace meeting, it was a class on how to > conduct troll. > The need to conduct these classes may be real, but can't they risk > running off new folk who come to a meeting with whatever that > individual's Middle Ages interest is, Anyone can handle the above paperwork with about 15 minutes training. Every half hour or hour, the chief gate guard on duty counts down the money box and prepares a drop envelope. The count is double checked by one of the other people on the gate. When both agree, the money is sealed in the envelope, the amount is written on it and the counters sign it. The money is then placed in a locked vehicle. When the gate closes, the Exchequer, Seneschal, Autocrat and Head Gate Guard usually count down the draw verifying envelope contents against amount on the envelope and matching the money against totals in the sign in books. In general, if there is a problem at the gate, you call the Head Gate Guard, the Autocrat, or the Seneschal. The Head Gate Guard and the people serving as the chief gate guard on duty may need to know more about how to handle things, but it is not rocket science. You should be able to run interested parties through the drill in less than an hour. > Volstarr Bear Subject: ANST - Paperwork and Signin books Date: Fri, 23 Oct 98 10:43:52 MST From: Burke McCrory To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG >> already at the point where there is a class on how to do gate at events >> (some call it troll). >> >Unfortunately, controlling the gate is serious business. Money changes >hands and the Exchequer has a hissy fit if the books don't balance. A few >of us got tired of signing in three different books and when we did an event >got the paperwork down to one page (mundanely most of us were bureaucrats, >so we applied paperwork reduction). The back of each page has the waiver >printed on it. The front has a line for each person signing in with spaces >for all of the pertinent information. In the book, the waiver can be read as >you sign in, so you are effectively handling, waiver, site fee and feast fee >in one pop. The site roster waivers are not allowed to be on the back of the sign-in sheets. They must be kept separate. The main reason for this is the waivers are legal documents that may have to be sent in to corporate, that would also require the sign-in books go with them. Please Do Not put the waiver on the back of the sign-in book pages. I have no problem with putting any or all of the rest of the gate information on one page. Sir Burke Kyriell MacDonald, OP Kingdom Seneschal for Ansteorra Subject: RE: ANST - Paperwork and Signin books Date: Sat, 24 Oct 98 03:25:27 MST From: "Decker, Terry D." To: "'ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG'" > The site roster waivers are not allowed to be on the back of the sign-in > sheets. They must be kept separate. The main reason for this is the > waivers are legal documents that may have to be sent in to corporate, that > would also require the sign-in books go with them. Please Do Not put the > waiver on the back of the sign-in book pages. I have no problem with > putting any or all of the rest of the gate information on one page. > > Sir Burke Kyriell MacDonald, OP > Kingdom Seneschal for Ansteorra Your call, but copying the filled in pages for the financial record of the event and sending the sign-in books to corporate meets the current legal requirements and record needs. Bear Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:28:39 -0500 From: "Terry Decker" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] remove vs course To: "Cooks within the SCA" > Years ago I found that "porter" was a close historical description of the > person in charge of the gate. This title derives from portcullis. > > Lyse Actually, the title derives from the Late Latin "portarius" (gatekeeper or doorkeeper), who was the guardian of the "porta" (gate or door). The use of porter in English predates the use of porticullis according to the OED. Porticullis derives from the Old French (about 1200 CE) "porte coleice," literally "sliding gate." Bear Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:15:14 -0400 From: Gretchen Beck Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title To: Cooks within the SCA --On Monday, April 30, 2007 4:12 PM -0400 Elaine Koogler wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions for an alternate title for the person who > checks people in to an SCA event. Our person uses the term "troll" which > is beginning to grate on my nerves...almost as badly as > "feastocrat"...though at least troll is a real word, and one that was > probably used in period, though not for this purpose. Why not Porter? According to the OED, the usage dates back to at least 1300 with the definition " 1. a. A gatekeeper, esp. at the entrance of a fortified town or castle; a doorkeeper; (now) esp. an employee in charge of the entrance of a hotel, block of flats, college, or other large building." toodles, margaret Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:17:44 -0500 From: Ysabeau Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title To: "Cooks within the SCA" I just typed an email and found myself wondering the same thing...so I just called that person "gatekeeper". We call it the gate in Ansteorra (having managed to do away with troll), so they would be gatekeeper, right? Ysabeau Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:34:54 -0400 From: Johnna Holloway Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title To: Cooks within the SCA Account keepers at colleges were bursars. it goes along with butlers and stewards. Johnnae Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 08:48:18 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title To: Cooks within the SCA > Why not Porter? I like that. It fits in well with "cook" and "steward". Another possibility might be Gate Warden. -- Adele de Maisieres Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:54:35 EDT From: Bronwynmgn at aol.com Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org I believe that the period term for the person in charge of access to the gate of a keep or monastery was "porter". Unfortunately, at least in the East, that term has been designated for the Kingdom level officer in charge of helping with access for those with disabilities, so it's not really available. How about gatekeeper for the person and gate for the place? It's better than troll, and what I am trying to teach myself to use. Brangwayna Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:25:30 -0500 From: "Terry Decker" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title To: "Cooks within the SCA" Gatekeeper works fine. You might try the Latin term "portarius," although for our purposes "warder" is probably a better choice with the person in charge being the "Warden of the Gate." Just for fun, a porter at a religious institution might also be referred to as "ostiary." Bear Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 15:18:28 -0400 From: Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title To: Cooks within the SCA > I know we discussed this in the past, but I didn't keep the message. Does > anyone have any suggestions for an alternate title for the person > who checks people in to an SCA event. Registrar. -- -- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne at fiedlerfamily.net Edited by Mark S. Harris gate-guards-msg Page 5 of 5