relics-msg - 7/16/09 ਀ഊUse of religious relics in period. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: religion-msg, icons-msg, Icons-art, Relics-fr-all-art, pilgrimages-msg, rosaries-msg, crusades-msg, brass-rub-msg, heretics-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: cozzlab at garnet.berkeley.edu () ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Relics ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㄀ 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㔀㨀㐀㤀㨀　㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of California, Berkeley ਀ഊCarol Pinchefsky wrote: ਀㸀䴀漀爀攀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀氀礀Ⰰ 䤀✀洀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀渀漀爀 眀愀爀猀Ⰰ ഊ>major squabbles, thievery, quests and pilgrimages caused by and ਀㸀瀀攀爀琀愀椀渀椀渀最 琀漀 匀愀椀搀 刀攀氀椀最椀漀甀猀 䈀椀琀猀⸀ ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀 昀椀渀攀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 漀甀琀Ⰰ 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀⸀  吀栀攀 琀椀琀氀攀 椀猀ഊ_Furta Sacra_ (=Stolen Holy Bits). Consult your library. ਀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin ਀䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䠀攀礀搀琀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: sclark at epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Clark) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Relics ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㄀ 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㐀㨀㐀㔀㨀　㈀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto ਀ഊ I have a nifty coffee-table book with lots of illustrations ਀漀昀 爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀㨀  开䠀椀最栀眀愀礀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䘀愀椀琀栀㨀  刀攀氀椀挀猀 愀渀搀 刀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀ഊfrom Jerusalem to Compostela_, by M.M. Gauthier. ਀夀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 昀椀渀搀 椀琀 甀猀攀昀甀氀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䈀甀琀 眀栀攀渀 猀琀甀搀礀椀渀最 爀攀氀椀挀猀Ⰰ 洀椀✀氀愀搀礀Ⰰ 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 挀漀爀猀攀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀攀猀琀ഊof a true relic is its ability to perform miracles, not whether it is ਀椀渀搀攀攀搀 ∀最攀渀甀椀渀攀∀⸀ ⠀戀礀 漀甀爀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀猀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 椀猀⤀  䔀愀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀栀甀爀挀栀攀猀ഊwhich claimed to have the head of John the Baptist ਀挀漀甀氀搀 愀氀猀漀 挀氀愀椀洀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 栀愀搀 栀攀愀氀攀搀 洀愀渀礀 昀漀氀欀 愀渀搀 漀昀昀攀爀攀搀 椀琀猀ഊchurch protection, etc. To the medieval person interested in ਀愀挀焀甀椀爀椀渀最 愀 爀攀氀椀挀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀ഊso much "is it real", but "what miracles has it performed"? ਀ഊNicolaa/Susan ਀猀挀氀愀爀欀 愀琀 攀瀀愀猀⸀甀琀漀爀漀渀琀漀⸀挀愀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: meg at tinhat.stonemarche.org (meg) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: relics ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ 　㔀 䴀愀爀 㤀㐀 ㄀㄀㨀㄀㘀㨀　㤀 䔀匀吀ഊOrganization: Stonemarche Network Co-op ਀ഊViking daggers evolved into reliquaries? Interesting. ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 ㌀ 欀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 爀攀氀椀挀猀⸀ഊRelics of the First Degree: an actual bodily remain of a cannonized saint ਀刀攀氀椀挀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀攀挀漀渀搀 䐀攀最爀攀攀㨀 愀渀 漀戀樀攀挀琀 漀眀渀攀搀 戀礀 漀爀 琀漀甀挀栀攀搀 戀礀 愀渀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 ഊ cannonized saint. ਀刀攀氀椀挀 漀昀 琀栀攀 吀栀椀爀搀 䐀攀最爀攀攀㨀 愀 昀愀戀爀椀挀愀琀攀搀 昀愀挀猀椀洀椀氀攀 漀昀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀Ⰰ ഊ ostensibly created for the purpose of ਀                           椀渀猀瀀椀爀椀渀最 搀攀瘀漀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀一攀攀搀氀攀猀猀 琀漀 猀愀礀Ⰰ 刀攀氀椀挀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 搀攀最爀攀攀 愀爀攀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 爀愀爀攀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 洀甀猀琀 戀攀 ഊflawlessly documented as to content and provenance,and must be ਀愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀愀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 嘀愀琀椀挀愀渀⸀ 匀琀⸀ 吀椀洀漀琀栀礀✀猀 戀椀最 琀漀攀 椀猀 愀渀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀 漀昀 愀 ഊrelic of the First Degree. (it resided in the altar of St. Charles ਀䌀栀甀爀挀栀Ⰰ 匀琀愀琀攀渀 䤀猀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 一夀⤀ 䄀 挀漀渀猀攀挀爀愀琀攀搀 愀氀琀愀爀 椀渀 愀 挀漀渀猀攀挀爀愀琀攀搀 挀栀甀爀挀栀 ഊmust contain a relic. ਀ഊRelics of the Second Degree are more common, and were bestowed upon ਀渀漀戀椀氀椀琀礀 愀猀 爀攀眀愀爀搀猀 昀漀爀 愀挀琀猀 漀昀 瀀椀攀琀礀⸀ ⠀猀甀挀栀 愀猀 最爀愀渀琀椀渀最 氀愀渀搀猀 昀漀爀 愀 ഊmonastary or hospital, etc). Ornate reliquaries were commissioned for ਀琀栀攀椀爀 猀愀昀攀欀攀攀瀀椀渀最⸀ 䰀椀欀攀 爀攀氀椀挀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 搀攀最爀攀攀Ⰰ 洀椀爀愀挀氀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 漀昀琀攀渀 ഊattributed to these items. They were occasionally displayed publically ਀搀甀爀椀渀最 䠀漀氀礀 䐀愀礀猀⸀ 䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 氀椀欀攀 爀攀氀椀挀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䘀椀爀猀琀 䐀攀最爀攀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 瀀椀漀甀猀 洀愀搀攀 ഊpilgrimages to view them. Such a pilgimage was sometimes ordered as ਀瀀攀渀愀渀挀攀⸀ ഊ ਀䈀礀 昀愀爀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 刀攀氀椀挀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 吀栀椀爀搀 䐀攀最爀攀攀Ⰰ 倀愀爀搀漀渀攀爀猀 ഊfrequently offered these for sale along with absolutions and prayers for ਀椀渀搀甀氀最攀渀挀攀猀⸀ 䤀渀 琀栀椀猀 挀愀琀攀最漀爀礀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 洀甀氀琀椀琀甀搀椀渀漀甀猀 ∀倀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 吀爀甀攀 ഊCross", vials of "Mary's Milk" and Christ's umbilical cord, nails from ਀琀栀攀 挀爀甀挀椀昀椀砀椀漀渀Ⰰ 嘀攀爀漀渀椀挀愀✀猀 嘀攀椀氀猀Ⰰ 猀栀爀攀搀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀栀爀漀甀搀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀  吀栀攀 ഊmedieval purchaser of such objects had no illusions as to their ਀漀爀椀最椀渀猀⸀⸀⸀琀栀攀礀 欀渀攀眀 昀甀氀氀 眀攀氀氀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀 ⨀爀攀愀氀 琀栀椀渀最⨀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 ഊthey hoped that some of the benificence attached to the real objects ਀眀漀甀氀搀 猀漀洀攀栀漀眀 爀甀戀 漀昀昀 漀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀⸀ 䴀椀爀愀挀甀氀漀甀猀 漀挀挀甀爀愀渀挀攀猀 挀漀甀氀搀 攀氀攀瘀愀琀攀 ഊthe status of a relic. (as well as the status of the owner!) ਀ഊThe market for relics being what it was, it was always possible to find a ਀最攀渀甀椀渀攀 爀攀氀椀挀 愀洀漀甀渀最 琀栀攀 挀漀瀀椀攀猀Ⰰ 猀漀 椀琀 洀愀搀攀 椀琀 愀 眀漀爀琀栀眀椀氀攀 爀椀猀欀 琀漀 椀渀瘀攀猀琀 ഊin one, especially from a promising source. Returning crusaders turned a ਀栀攀昀琀礀 瀀爀漀昀椀琀 椀渀 爀攀氀椀挀猀 ∀戀爀漀甀最栀琀 戀愀挀欀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䠀漀氀礀 䰀愀渀搀∀⸀ 唀渀猀挀爀甀瀀甀氀漀甀猀 ഊpeople were not above faking miracles to substantiate a relic's effacacy. ਀ഊWhile it is possible that the desire for relics as talismans could have ਀攀瘀漀氀瘀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 嘀椀欀椀渀最 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀猀 椀渀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀⸀ 椀琀 搀椀搀 瀀爀攀搀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 ഊViking incursions in the Mediterranean. I think this practice was (is) ਀猀椀洀瀀氀礀 愀 甀渀椀瘀攀爀猀愀氀 栀甀洀愀渀 琀爀愀椀琀⸀⸀⸀漀眀渀椀渀最 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 愀 挀攀氀攀戀爀椀琀礀 眀椀氀氀 ഊenable some of their greatness to rub off on the possessor. Autographs ਀愀渀搀 䠀漀氀氀礀眀漀漀搀 洀攀洀漀爀愀戀椀氀椀愀 挀漀洀攀 琀漀 洀椀渀搀 愀猀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 挀漀甀渀琀攀爀瀀愀爀琀猀 琀漀 琀栀椀猀 ഊpractice. And those who cannot afford the real thing have photographs or ਀洀漀搀攀氀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀愀氀 琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 猀栀漀眀 琀栀攀椀爀 氀漀礀愀氀琀礀⸀ ⠀䴀漀搀攀氀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀渀琀攀爀瀀爀椀猀攀 ഊand trading cards, for example) ਀ഊThis is a fascinating subject, is it not? ਀ഊHere's a question...what saint or holy person does your persona venerate, ਀椀昀 愀渀礀㼀  䐀漀 礀漀甀 瀀漀猀猀攀猀猀 愀 爀攀氀椀挀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀㼀 ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 椀渀挀甀爀猀椀漀渀 椀渀琀漀 洀愀琀琀攀爀猀 攀挀挀氀攀猀椀愀猀琀椀挀愀氀 眀愀猀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 琀漀 礀漀甀 戀礀㨀ഊ ਀䴀攀最愀渀ഊ== ਀䤀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀㨀 䰀椀渀搀愀 䄀渀昀甀猀漀ഊIn the Current Middle Ages: Megan ni Laine de Belle Rive ਀䤀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀㨀 猀甀猀琀愀椀渀椀渀最 洀攀洀戀攀爀 ⌀ ㌀㌀㘀㐀㐀ഊ ਀                                夀夀夀     夀夀夀ഊmeg at tinhat.stonemarche.org | YYYYY | ਀                                簀开开开开渀开开开开簀 ഊ ਀ഊFrom: DDF2 at cornell.edu (David Friedman) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: relics ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㄀ 䴀愀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 　㐀㨀　　㨀㈀㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Cornell Law School ਀ഊ> A joke oft told by Duke Cariadoc: ਀㸀 儀㨀 圀栀愀琀 戀攀挀愀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䌀攀搀愀爀猀 漀昀 䰀攀戀愀渀漀渀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 䄀㨀 䔀瘀攀爀礀 䌀爀甀猀愀搀攀爀 挀愀洀攀 栀漀洀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 吀爀甀攀 䌀爀漀猀猀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䴀椀欀樀愀氀 䄀渀渀愀爀戀樀漀爀渀ഊ ਀䌀氀漀猀攀㨀ഊ ਀儀㨀 圀栀礀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 栀椀氀氀猀 漀昀 䰀攀戀愀渀漀渀 戀愀爀攀㼀ഊA: Because every Frank in Frangistan has a splinter of the true cross. ਀ഊNote that it is both a Frank joke and a Lebanese joke. ਀ⴀⴀ ഊDavid/Cariadoc ਀䐀䐀䘀㈀ 愀琀 䌀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀䔀搀甀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:48:15 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 刀漀戀攀爀琀愀 刀 䌀漀洀猀琀漀挀欀 㰀昀爀漀最最攀猀琀漀眀 愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 瀀愀瘀椀氀椀漀渀 攀砀栀椀戀椀琀猀 ⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀伀栀Ⰰ 礀攀猀℀  伀爀椀愀渀渀愀 愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀搀 愀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 眀栀攀渀 眀攀 猀愀眀 琀栀攀ഊ"Treasures of San Marco" (or as we called it, the "Loot from ਀䌀漀渀猀琀愀渀琀椀渀漀瀀氀攀∀⤀ 攀砀栀椀戀椀琀 愀琀 琀栀攀 䴀攀琀 椀渀 一夀䌀⸀  圀攀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀愀爀欀椀渀最 漀渀 栀漀眀ഊsome of the objects had evolved over centuries, such as beginning with a ਀刀漀洀愀渀 挀愀爀瘀攀搀 猀琀漀渀攀 戀漀眀氀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 爀椀洀洀攀搀 椀渀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀 戀礀 愀 氀愀琀攀爀 漀眀渀攀爀Ⰰഊthen put on a silver pedestal a century later, with bands of enameled ਀洀攀搀愀氀氀椀漀渀猀 愀渀搀 猀攀洀椀ⴀ瀀爀攀挀椀漀甀猀 猀琀漀渀攀猀 愀搀搀攀搀 愀琀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀 氀愀琀攀爀 搀愀琀攀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ഊMany of the reliquaries showed similar succession in the addition of ਀昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 漀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀 漀瘀攀爀 氀漀渀最 瀀攀爀椀漀搀猀 漀昀 琀椀洀攀⸀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀 眀愀琀挀栀 琀栀攀ഊstylistic developments and become adept at dating the separate elements ਀椀渀 挀栀爀漀渀漀氀漀最椀挀愀氀 漀爀搀攀爀 椀昀 礀漀甀 瀀愀礀 挀氀漀猀攀 愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀䠀攀爀琀栀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:04:46 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䜀爀愀礀Ⰰ 䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀∀ 㰀䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 愀琀 儀甀漀搀愀琀愀⸀䌀漀洀㸀ഊTo: "'sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu'" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀 愀渀搀 匀甀挀栀 ⴀ 氀漀渀最椀猀栀ഊ ਀䌀愀爀漀 猀愀椀搀㨀ഊOh, yeah...while I think of it, I noticed that there are *many* ਀爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀  圀栀愀琀 攀氀猀攀 眀愀猀 欀攀瀀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 戀攀猀椀搀攀猀ഊanything they could get from a saint? Were there other uses I'm missing? ਀ഊI'm looking at duplicating a reliquary, but I don't know what medium yet ਀ ⴀ 愀渀礀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀漀渀猀㼀  倀漀琀琀攀爀礀Ⰰ 眀漀漀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 最氀愀猀猀 愀爀攀 洀礀 琀漀瀀 琀栀爀攀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀昀ഊcourse I'll smother it in gems! Any suggestions on shape, or should I go ਀眀椀琀栀 愀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀 戀漀砀 昀漀爀 愀 昀椀爀猀琀 愀琀琀攀洀瀀琀㼀ഊ-------------- ਀ഊI'm not an expert, but my understanding of reliquaries was that they were ਀漀渀氀礀 昀漀爀 猀愀椀渀琀✀猀 猀琀甀昀昀⸀  圀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 琀栀攀 甀猀甀愀氀 栀愀椀爀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 戀漀搀礀 戀椀琀猀Ⰰഊin St. Francis of Assisi's case there was cloth from his habit (Francis was ਀戀甀爀椀攀搀 椀渀琀愀挀琀⤀⸀ 吀栀攀 猀栀愀瀀攀 愀渀搀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 爀攀氀椀焀甀攀爀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀 戀攀ഊdetermined by time/place of creation, what it's holding, and who it's for. ਀䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 爀攀氀椀焀甀攀爀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 猀洀愀氀氀 椀昀 椀琀✀猀 昀漀爀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 甀猀攀ഊof someone who's traveling or who got it on pilgrimage. The Cloisters in ਀一夀 栀愀猀 愀 昀攀眀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀氀猀漀 琀栀攀 攀砀栀椀戀椀琀 漀昀 匀琀⸀ 䘀爀愀渀挀椀猀 漀昀ഊAssisi at the Metropolitan Museum of Art (which ended in June, but you can ਀瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 猀琀椀氀氀 最攀琀 愀 戀漀漀欀 漀渀 琀栀攀 攀砀栀椀戀椀琀⤀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 ㈀ 氀漀渀最 爀攀挀琀愀渀最甀氀愀爀ഊboxes that were supposed to hold St. Francis' sandles. I think the boxes ਀眀攀爀攀 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 眀漀漀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀瘀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 瀀愀椀渀琀攀搀 愀 戀椀琀Ⰰഊincluding some coats of arms (patrons who donated the boxes?). Many of the ਀爀攀氀椀焀甀攀爀椀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 最漀氀搀Ⰰ 愀 昀攀眀 眀攀爀攀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 眀椀琀栀 最氀愀猀猀 愀猀 愀ഊcomponent. The personal ones that I saw were done as diptychs or triptychs, ਀眀椀琀栀 猀漀洀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 昀氀愀琀 最氀愀猀猀 ⠀挀氀攀愀爀 最氀愀猀猀⤀ 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 猀攀攀ഊthe relics. Some were cylindrical (say 3 - 5 inches in diameter, and 6-8 ਀椀渀挀栀攀猀 椀渀 栀攀椀最栀琀 ⴀⴀ 瘀攀爀礀 愀瀀瀀爀漀砀椀洀愀琀攀⤀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀礀氀椀渀搀攀爀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 椀渀ഊthem (also clear glass), which the relic was in. A number of these had ਀瀀攀搀攀猀琀愀氀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 洀攀琀愀氀 愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 爀攀愀搀 琀栀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 瀀氀愀焀甀攀猀ഊthat went with them, some of these were added at a later date (so like the ਀甀瀀瀀攀爀 瀀愀爀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 ㄀㐀琀栀 挀⸀ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 氀漀眀攀爀 瀀愀爀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 ㄀㔀琀栀 挀⸀⤀⸀  䄀琀 琀栀攀ഊCloisters in NY there was one that I think was enameled metal (it's been a ਀昀攀眀 礀攀愀爀猀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 猀栀愀瀀攀搀 氀椀欀攀 愀 昀漀漀琀⸀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀✀琀 猀攀攀 椀渀猀椀搀攀 琀栀椀猀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀ഊthe shape tells you what's inside. If you can't make it to a museum that ਀栀愀猀 琀栀攀猀攀 愀渀搀 眀愀渀琀 洀漀爀攀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 䤀✀洀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀甀琀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀ഊstuff. Try looking for Metropolitan Museum of Art Exhibition books, among ਀漀琀栀攀爀猀⸀ 䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 挀栀攀挀欀 漀甀琀 愀 眀椀氀搀 爀攀愀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 戀椀漀 漀渀ഊMargery Kempe, _The Memoirs of a Medieval Woman: The Life and Times of ਀䴀愀爀最攀爀礀 䬀攀洀瀀攀开⸀   䤀昀 礀漀甀 最漀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 眀栀攀爀攀 猀栀攀✀猀 椀渀 䤀琀愀氀礀Ⰰഊthe book takes a little detour to talk about the times and the area, ਀椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 猀琀甀昀昀 昀爀漀洀 愀 戀漀漀欀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 戀礀 愀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀 昀攀氀氀漀眀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀椀洀攀⸀ഊUnfortunately I've forgotten his name, but this man wrote a book of where ਀愀氀氀 琀栀攀猀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 爀攀氀椀焀甀攀爀椀攀猀 眀攀爀攀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀漀眀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀ഊdisplayed (sort of a pilgrimage tour book), and you should be able to get ਀琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 漀昀 栀椀猀 戀漀漀欀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀  䤀 漀渀氀礀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀ഊtop of my head, one of which may be too gruesome for this list, so I ਀爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 氀椀戀爀愀爀礀⸀ഊ ਀伀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀漀爀攀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 椀琀攀洀猀 昀漀爀 愀 琀爀愀瘀攀氀攀爀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 戀漀琀琀氀攀ഊ(I forget if it would more likely be glass or ceramic, but I would think ਀最氀愀猀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 戀攀琀琀攀爀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 猀攀攀椀渀最 眀栀愀琀✀猀 椀渀猀椀搀攀⸀⸀⸀⤀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 栀漀氀礀ഊwater from Rome or Jerusalem, or from a cave that's mentioned in one of the ਀栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 戀漀漀欀猀 䤀 爀攀愀搀 愀最攀猀 愀最漀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 挀愀瘀攀 ✀眀攀瀀琀✀ 愀 眀栀椀琀椀猀栀 昀氀甀椀搀 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀ഊclaimed to be a symbol of Mary's milk, and was put in little bottles for ਀瀀椀氀最爀椀洀猀⸀  䤀昀 䤀 挀愀渀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀攀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 䤀 眀椀氀氀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀漀ഊlook at this point (this is a recollection from about 10 years ago, and far ਀昀爀漀洀 洀礀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀猀Ⰰ 䤀✀洀 愀昀爀愀椀搀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䔀氀眀礀渀渀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:45:47 -0500 (CDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀倀椀砀攀氀Ⰰ 儀甀攀攀渀 漀昀 䌀愀琀猀∀ 㰀瀀椀砀攀氀 愀琀 栀甀渀搀爀攀搀ⴀ愀挀爀攀ⴀ眀漀漀搀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀 ⠀眀愀猀 刀攀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀 愀渀搀 匀甀挀栀⤀ഊ ਀圀栀椀氀攀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀椀渀最 昀漀爀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 漀瘀攀爀氀礀 氀愀爀最攀 戀甀琀 猀瀀椀昀昀礀 瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀Ⰰ 䤀ഊdiscovered a mention of books being considered relics--the bible that St. ਀匀漀ⴀ愀渀搀ⴀ猀漀 漀眀渀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䜀漀猀瀀攀氀猀 琀爀愀渀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 戀礀 匀琀⸀ 吀栀甀猀ⴀ愀渀搀ⴀ猀漀Ⰰഊetc.. I'll look for the reference when I get home if you're interested. ਀ഊOn a slightly related note, I remember reading that tiny vials sealed with ਀氀攀愀搀Ⰰ 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀椀渀最 䈀攀挀欀攀琀✀猀 戀氀漀漀搀Ⰰ 眀攀爀攀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀 愀猀 爀攀氀椀挀猀⸀ഊ ਀䜀漀漀搀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀 昀漀爀 爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀㨀 眀漀漀搀Ⰰ 最氀愀猀猀Ⰰ 洀攀琀愀氀猀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 瘀愀氀甀愀戀氀攀ഊmetals, ivory and bone. I've never seen a pottery one. ਀ഊBad materials for reliquaries: gold-painted macaroni and cardboard. ਀ഊMargaret FitzWilliam ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀　㨀㈀㄀㨀㄀㔀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: "Gray, Heather" ਀吀漀㨀 ∀✀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀✀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: RE: Reliquaries (was Re: Glass and Such) ਀ഊMargaret FitzWilliam said: ਀㰀㰀㰀 圀栀椀氀攀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀椀渀最 昀漀爀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 漀瘀攀爀氀礀 氀愀爀最攀 戀甀琀 猀瀀椀昀昀礀 瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀Ⰰ 䤀ഊdiscovered a mention of books being considered relics--the bible that St. ਀匀漀ⴀ愀渀搀ⴀ猀漀 漀眀渀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䜀漀猀瀀攀氀猀 琀爀愀渀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 戀礀 匀琀⸀ 吀栀甀猀ⴀ愀渀搀ⴀ猀漀Ⰰഊetc.. I'll look for the reference when I get home if you're interested. >>> ਀ഊ Oh, right, books! St. Cuthbert's book is one (copy of the Gospel of ਀匀琀⸀ 䨀漀栀渀⤀⸀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 昀漀甀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀礀 栀漀氀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 爀攀洀愀椀渀猀 漀昀ഊSt. Cuthbert, on a shelf that covered the body, along with other items that ਀洀愀礀 漀爀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀氀漀渀最攀搀 琀漀 匀琀⸀ 䌀甀琀栀戀攀爀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀愀琀攀猀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ⠀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀⤀ഊthe 7th c. ਀ഊA casing was made for the book when it was found. I've asked someone who's ਀搀漀渀攀 愀 戀椀琀 漀昀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 漀渀 椀琀 琀漀 挀栀攀挀欀 栀椀猀 渀漀琀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀Ⰰ 猀漀ഊcan't check it right now. All he can recollect at the moment is that the ਀挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀 栀愀搀 愀 猀琀爀愀瀀 漀渀 椀琀 氀漀渀最 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 眀攀愀爀 椀琀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 礀漀甀爀ഊneck while opening up the container to show the book to other people. ਀ഊElwynne ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㐀㨀㌀㈀㨀㄀㘀 ⬀　　　　ഊFrom: ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: RE: Glass and Such - longish ਀ഊ> Some were cylindrical (say 3 - 5 inches in diameter, and 6-8 ਀㸀 椀渀挀栀攀猀 椀渀 栀攀椀最栀琀 ⴀⴀ 瘀攀爀礀 愀瀀瀀爀漀砀椀洀愀琀攀⤀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀礀氀椀渀搀攀爀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 椀渀ഊ> them (also clear glass), which the relic was in. ਀ഊThere are a couple of this type in the Walters collection in Baltimore, but I ਀戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 最氀愀猀猀㬀 爀愀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 爀漀挀欀 挀爀礀猀琀愀氀 ⠀焀甀愀爀琀稀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䘀椀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:13:26 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 刀漀戀攀爀琀愀 刀 䌀漀洀猀琀漀挀欀 㰀昀爀漀最最攀猀琀漀眀 愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 刀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀 ⠀眀愀猀 刀攀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀 愀渀搀 匀甀挀栀⤀ഊ ਀伀渀攀 漀昀 洀礀 昀愀瘀漀爀椀琀攀 爀攀氀椀焀甀愀琀椀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䌀氀漀椀猀琀攀爀猀 椀猀 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 氀攀愀琀栀攀爀⸀ഊThe relic is the bones of the saint's foot and the reliquary is shaped ਀氀椀欀攀 愀 栀椀最栀 琀漀瀀瀀攀搀 猀栀漀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 栀椀渀最攀搀 漀瀀攀渀椀渀最 愀琀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀⸀  吀栀攀 氀攀愀琀栀攀爀ഊis decorated with much tooling and a series of repousse' scenes from the ਀猀愀椀渀琀✀猀 氀椀昀攀⸀  䤀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 栀愀爀搀攀渀攀搀 愀猀 挀漀甀椀爀 戀漀甀氀氀椀 ⠀猀瀀㼀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䠀攀爀琀栀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:53:13 EDT ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 㰀䰀爀搀刀愀猀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 刀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀 ⠀眀愀猀 刀攀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀 愀渀搀 匀甀挀栀⤀ഊ ਀昀爀漀最最攀猀琀漀眀 愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ<< Reminds me of a mock reliquary I saw at an event that was made from a ਀ 昀漀愀洀 眀椀最 栀攀愀搀Ⰰ 挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 最漀氀搀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 昀漀椀氀⸀ 㸀㸀ഊ ਀䤀 洀愀搀攀 愀渀搀 攀渀琀攀爀攀搀 愀 ✀昀愀欀攀✀ 爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀礀 愀琀 愀渀 䄀 ☀ 匀 攀瘀攀渀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀　 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀ഊwith 32 pages of documentation regarding the making of false ਀爀攀氀椀挀猀⼀爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 愀搀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 ✀昀愀氀猀攀✀ 猀愀椀渀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 瀀椀攀挀攀 眀漀渀 昀椀爀猀琀 瀀氀愀挀攀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 洀愀搀攀 昀爀漀洀 栀愀爀搀眀漀漀搀 ⠀眀愀氀渀甀琀⤀Ⰰ 爀攀愀氀 瀀攀愀爀氀猀Ⰰഊbronze and carved horn. The subject....The toenail of St. Tankerus. Patron ਀猀愀椀渀琀 漀昀 䈀爀攀眀攀爀✀猀 愀渀搀 瀀愀琀爀漀渀 猀愀椀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 伀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 匀琀⸀ 吀愀渀欀攀爀甀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 琀漀攀渀愀椀氀ഊwas reputed to be from the same toe by which St. Tankerus was lowered to his ਀戀氀椀猀猀昀甀氀 搀爀漀眀渀椀渀最 搀攀愀琀栀 椀渀 愀 瘀愀琀 漀昀 愀氀攀⸀ 㨀开⤀ഊ ਀刀愀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:39:20 EDT ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 㰀䰀爀搀刀愀猀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 刀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀 ⠀眀愀猀 刀攀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀 愀渀搀 匀甀挀栀⤀ഊ ਀昀爀漀最最攀猀琀漀眀 愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ<< What shape was the reliquary? And did you ਀ 栀愀瘀攀 愀 爀攀愀氀 琀漀攀渀愀椀氀 椀渀 椀琀㼀 㸀㸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀礀 眀愀猀 愀 猀琀攀瀀瀀攀搀 爀漀甀渀搀 戀愀猀攀 倀椀氀氀愀爀猀 眀攀爀攀 洀漀甀渀琀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀ഊtopped by a dome. The artifact was mounted on a bejeweled brass base inside. ਀䄀挀挀攀猀猀 眀愀猀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 挀甀爀琀愀椀渀猀 愀渀搀 愀 搀漀漀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀爀漀渀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 甀渀椀琀 眀愀猀 搀攀挀漀爀愀琀攀搀ഊwith pearls. The toenail itself was carved from a piece of horn and looked ਀瘀攀爀礀 爀攀愀氀⸀ഊ ਀刀愀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:38:08 -0400 (EDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䜀爀愀挀攀 䴀漀爀爀椀猀 㰀最洀漀爀爀椀猀 愀琀 挀猀㄀㐀⸀瀀搀猀⸀挀栀愀爀氀漀琀琀攀⸀渀挀⸀甀猀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 刀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀 ⠀眀愀猀 刀攀㨀 䜀氀愀猀猀 愀渀搀 匀甀挀栀⤀ഊ ਀䤀渀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 瘀攀椀渀Ⰰ 椀渀 䐀愀渀椀猀栀 渀愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 洀甀猀攀甀洀 椀渀 䌀漀瀀攀渀栀愀最攀渀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀ഊ"dome" of solid crystal. It has been hollowed out enough to insert a piece ਀漀昀 椀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀攀搀 瀀愀爀挀栀洀攀渀琀 ⠀瀀愀椀渀琀椀渀最 漀渀氀礀Ⰰ 渀漀 眀漀爀搀猀⤀ 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀栀愀瀀攀 漀昀 愀 挀爀漀猀猀⸀⸀⸀ഊThe hollowing out is also in the shape of the cross. I can't tell from ਀洀礀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 氀漀漀欀猀 ㄀㈀琀栀Ⰰ ㄀㌀琀栀挀⸀ 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀䨀攀猀猀愀洀礀渀 搀椀 倀椀攀洀漀渀琀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:02:55 -0500 (CDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀倀椀砀攀氀Ⰰ 儀甀攀攀渀 漀昀 䌀愀琀猀∀ 㰀瀀椀砀攀氀 愀琀 栀甀渀搀爀攀搀ⴀ愀挀爀攀ⴀ眀漀漀搀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀ⴀⴀ愀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 漀爀 琀眀漀ഊ ਀倀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀 愀渀搀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 戀漀漀欀猀 愀猀 爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 䄀渀最氀漀ⴀ匀愀砀漀渀 䌀栀爀漀渀椀挀氀攀猀Ⰰ 䄀渀渀攀 匀愀瘀愀最攀 攀搀⸀ 倀栀漀攀戀攀 倀栀椀氀氀椀瀀猀⼀圀椀氀氀椀愀洀ഊHeinemann Ltd, 1982. 0-333-37041-4 ਀倀⸀ 㘀㤀Ⰰ 愀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀琀漀渀礀栀甀爀猀琀 䜀漀猀瀀攀氀猀 ⠀琀栀攀 漀渀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 漀渀 匀琀⸀ഊCuthbert's coffin, I believe) in a lovely leather binding, and a picture ਀漀昀 愀 眀栀愀氀攀戀漀渀攀 戀漀砀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀 爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀礀⸀ഊ ਀䤀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀攀搀 䈀漀漀欀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀Ⰰ 䌀愀氀欀椀渀猀Ⰰ 刀漀戀攀爀琀 䜀⸀ 䌀漀爀渀攀氀氀ഊUniversity Press, 1986 (paperback ed.) ਀㄀猀琀 挀漀氀漀爀 瀀氀愀琀攀Ⰰ 挀漀瘀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䌀漀搀攀砀 䄀甀爀攀甀猀 漀昀 匀琀⸀ 䔀洀洀攀爀愀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀⼀眀 瀀氀愀琀攀猀ഊ84 and 94, the front and back covers of the Drogo Sacramentary. ਀ഊBook Illumination in the Middle Ages, Otto Pacht. Oxford University Press, ਀㄀㤀㠀㘀 ⠀䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀⤀⸀ഊpp10-12 discussion of books as relics, Soiscel Molaise reliquary photo on ਀瀀⸀ ㄀㈀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀爀最愀爀攀琀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:40:35 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 圀愀爀爀攀渀 ☀ 䴀攀爀攀搀椀琀栀 䠀愀爀洀漀渀 㰀爀愀瘀攀渀氀攀愀昀 愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀ഊ ਀伀栀Ⰰ 搀甀栀⸀⸀⸀礀漀甀✀搀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀✀搀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 儀唀䄀刀吀娀 嘀䤀䄀䰀匀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 䤀✀洀 愀 戀氀漀漀搀礀 最攀洀ഊdealer!!!! ਀ഊI remember the leather shoe at the Cloisters, too...that, and the marble ਀栀攀愀搀 爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 椀猀 眀栀愀琀 最漀琀 洀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀⸀  伀渀 愀 爀攀氀愀琀攀搀ഊnote (again), does anybody know of *intact* reliquaries? I was very sad ਀愀琀 琀栀攀 䌀氀漀椀猀琀攀爀猀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 䤀 爀攀愀搀 琀栀攀 挀愀爀搀猀 猀愀礀椀渀最 琀栀攀 爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀 眀攀爀攀ഊempty. I know the Turin Shroud is intact (mostly), and there's a vial of ਀猀漀洀攀戀漀搀礀✀猀 戀氀漀漀搀 琀栀愀琀 爀攀ⴀ氀椀焀甀攀昀椀攀猀 漀渀 愀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 搀愀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 愀氀氀 䤀ഊknow of. Is the St Cuthbert still intact? ਀ഊI didn't think of blood, or books, as reliquaries....possibilities! ਀䈀氀漀漀搀 挀愀渀 戀攀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 昀愀欀攀搀Ⰰ 戀礀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 ☀ 栀攀爀戀攀搀 漀椀氀 漀爀 愀渀 愀氀挀漀栀漀氀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀⸀ഊ Ooooh, I am a naughty girl! Ever hear of the Skunk Society? They're a ਀戀甀渀挀栀 漀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 愀爀攀 最攀渀攀琀椀挀愀氀氀礀 瀀爀攀搀椀猀瀀漀猀攀搀 琀漀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 猀挀攀渀琀 漀昀ഊskunk oil, and most carry small vials of the pure stuff. I was ਀挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀椀渀最 樀漀椀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 椀琀 戀攀 愀 栀漀漀琀 椀昀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 琀爀椀攀搀 琀漀 猀琀攀愀氀ഊit & open it!?!? I'd find the thief in a *big* hurry! ;-) ਀ഊOkay, here's what I'm thinking: I'll definitely do one of the crystal ਀瘀椀愀氀猀 ⠀攀瘀攀渀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 焀甀愀爀琀稀 挀爀礀猀琀愀氀猀 漀渀 栀愀渀搀 琀漀 搀漀 椀琀℀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀漀挀欀 甀瀀 愀ഊblood-like substance for them. For the bigger reliquary, I'm thinking of ਀愀 戀漀砀 ⠀琀椀洀攀 琀漀 最漀 愀渀琀椀焀甀椀渀最℀⤀Ⰰ 栀攀愀瘀椀氀礀 攀渀挀爀甀猀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 最攀洀猀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀ഊa small prayer book inside. If I can find a carver, I just may take some ਀漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 愀最愀琀攀 猀氀愀戀猀 䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 猀愀瘀椀渀最 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀攀 椀渀琀愀最氀椀漀猀 搀漀渀攀 漀昀 匀琀ഊFrancis of Assisi or St Joan of Arc. Any thoughts?? ਀ഊ-Caro ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 　㤀㨀㈀㠀㨀　㘀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: "Gray, Heather" ਀吀漀㨀 ∀✀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀✀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: RE: Reliquaries ਀ഊFor intact reliquaries, you probably need to go to a church or find someone ਀眀栀漀 栀愀猀 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 漀渀攀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀渀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䄀猀猀椀猀椀 攀砀栀椀戀椀琀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀琀愀挀琀ഊ-- it probably would have been too difficult to remove the small items from ਀琀栀攀 瘀椀愀氀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 攀砀栀椀戀椀琀⸀  匀漀 䤀 猀愀眀 漀渀攀 猀愀椀渀琀✀猀 栀愀椀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 猀愀椀渀琀✀猀ഊtooth there, and of course the fragment of St. Francis robe. St. ਀䌀甀琀栀戀攀爀琀✀猀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䜀漀猀瀀攀氀 漀昀 匀琀⸀ 䨀漀栀渀Ⰰ 椀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 椀渀琀愀挀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀渀 昀愀挀琀 椀猀 椀渀ഊvery good condition. ਀ഊThanks everyone for recollecting what the shoe was made of -- I'd forgotten ਀愀渀搀 洀椀砀攀搀 椀琀 甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 攀氀猀攀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 焀甀椀琀攀 漀爀渀愀琀攀氀礀 琀漀漀氀攀搀Ⰰ 眀愀猀渀✀琀ഊit? ਀ഊElwynne ਀ഊI remember the leather shoe at the Cloisters, too...that, and the marble ਀栀攀愀搀 爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 椀猀 眀栀愀琀 最漀琀 洀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀⸀  伀渀 愀 爀攀氀愀琀攀搀ഊnote (again), does anybody know of *intact* reliquaries? I was very sad ਀愀琀 琀栀攀 䌀氀漀椀猀琀攀爀猀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 䤀 爀攀愀搀 琀栀攀 挀愀爀搀猀 猀愀礀椀渀最 琀栀攀 爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀椀攀猀 眀攀爀攀ഊempty. I know the Turin Shroud is intact (mostly), and there's a vial of ਀猀漀洀攀戀漀搀礀✀猀 戀氀漀漀搀 琀栀愀琀 爀攀ⴀ氀椀焀甀攀昀椀攀猀 漀渀 愀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 搀愀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 愀氀氀 䤀ഊknow of. Is the St Cuthbert still intact? ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 　㤀㨀㐀㈀㨀㌀㘀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: "Gryphon's Moon" ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Reliquaries ਀ഊSpeaking of reliquaries, has anyone ever made a reliquary-type ਀挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 攀渀琀椀爀攀氀礀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀㼀 圀攀ഊhave some gentles in our Kingdom who once threatened to paint their ਀∀戀漀砀ⴀ漀ⴀ眀椀渀攀∀ 最漀氀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀瘀攀爀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 昀愀欀攀 樀攀眀攀氀猀⸀ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀礀ഊever got around to actually doing it, though. ਀ഊOne of the projects on my endless to-do list is a sewing box made to ਀氀漀漀欀 氀椀欀攀 愀 戀漀漀欀 爀攀氀椀焀甀愀爀礀⸀ 䤀 瀀氀愀渀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 愀 眀漀漀搀攀渀 戀愀猀攀 挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 眀椀琀栀ഊpierced metal sheets (probably something inexpensive like brass and ਀渀椀挀欀攀氀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀⤀⸀ 䤀 挀愀渀 最攀琀 挀愀戀漀挀栀漀渀 最攀洀猀琀漀渀攀猀 爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 挀栀攀愀瀀氀礀 琀漀ഊdecorate the top. Inside, I'll have just enough room to tuck a couple ਀漀昀 猀欀攀椀渀猀 漀昀 攀洀戀爀漀椀搀攀爀礀 昀氀漀猀猀Ⰰ 愀 渀攀攀搀氀攀 漀爀 琀眀漀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 瀀愀椀爀 漀昀ഊscissors. ਀ഊOne of my favorite sources of inspiration is "Treasuries of Early ਀䤀爀椀猀栀 䄀爀琀㨀 ㄀㔀　　 䈀䌀 琀漀 ㄀㔀　　 䄀䐀∀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀 攀砀栀椀戀椀琀椀漀渀 挀愀琀愀氀漀最 昀漀爀ഊthe collections of the National Museum of Ireland, the Royal Irish ਀䄀挀愀搀攀洀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 吀爀椀渀椀琀礀 䌀漀氀氀攀最攀Ⰰ 䐀甀戀氀椀渀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 渀漀 愀甀琀栀漀爀 挀爀攀搀椀琀攀搀⸀ഊAmazing pictures and descriptions. ਀ഊ-Margritte ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ爀攀氀椀挀猀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 㤀 漀昀 㤀ഊ ਊ