popes-msg - 6/29/08 Roman Catholic Popes in period. NOTE: See also the files: burials-msg, saints-msg, relics-msg, religion-msg, pilgrimages-msg, rosaries-msg, monks-msg, crusades-msg, icons-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ From: hag at moose.uvm.EDU (Hope A. Greenberg) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Popes Date: 5 Aug 1993 16:17:09 -0400 Organization: The Internet In answer to the Pope John XXIII question and for anyone who cares to have it as a reference, I'm sending along a list of Popes. They start with Boniface VIII, he who ticked off Philip IV of France with the bull unam sanctam stating, among other things, that church heads had power over secular heads, for which trouble he got himself hauled off to France. By the way, the general impression that most people have is that the French kings held the popes captive in Avignon for the next 70 years. Actually, Clement V, albeit a frenchman, was on his way to Rome when, due to the disastrous state of Roman politics, rioting, etc. stopped at Avignon until things cooled down. The rest, as the cliche goes, is history. As you can see if you look at the dates, from 1378 on there were two popes and from 1409-1417 there were three. The current church does not recognize the last two Avignon popes (Clement VII, Benedict XIII) or the schism popes (Alexander V, John XXIII), thus, when the next pope who took the name John was elected, he was known as John XXIII. Rome (Italian): Avignon: Schism: Boniface VIII 1294-1303 Benedict XI 1303-1304 Clement V 1305-1314 John XXII 1316-1334 Benedict XII 1334-1342 Clement VI 1342-1352 Innocent VI 1352-1362 Urban V 1362-1370 Gregory XI 1370-1378 Urban VI 1378-1389 Clement VII 1378-1394 Boniface IX 1389-1401 Benedict XIII 1394-1417 Innocent VII 1404-1406 Gregory XII 1406-1415 Alexander V 1409-1410 John XXIII 1410-1415 Martin V 1417-1431 Eugenius IV 1431-1447 Nicholas V 1447-1455 Calixtus III 1455-1458 Pius II 1458-1464 Paul II 1464-1471 Sixtus IV 1471-1484 Innocent VIII 1484-1492 Alexander VI 1492-1503 Pius III 1503 Julius II 1503-1513 Leo X 1513-1521 ========================================== Hope A. Greenberg hag at moose.uvm.edu Academic Computing "There is not a cup of tea too large, an armchair University of Vermont too comfortable, or a book too long." - C.S. Lewis Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:22:54 -0500 (EST) From: Jenne Heise To: Shire of Eisental , SCA Arts list Subject: reference: web site list of popes Sometimes it's useful to know who was pope when. Though this site doesn't give a full listing (it kinda skimps on the double and triple popes!), it's a handy quick reference. Note that it is written by a Catholic priest, though. (Review from LIIWEEK): Popes Through the Ages: The Complete List of Popes - http://www.knight.org/advent/ppindx.htm Biographical information on all 265 Popes of the Roman Catholic Church, from 32 AD to the present. The entry for Pope John Paul II has a list of links to his online speeches and writings. Jadwiga Zajaczkowa (Shire of Eisental; HERMS Cyclonus), mka Jennifer Heise jenne at tulgey.browser.net Subject: ANST - Papal infallibility Date: Mon, 17 May 99 08:09:04 MST From: "Paul Mitchell" To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG Galen of Bristol here... >Actually, the doctrine of papal infallability was not added to Roman Catholic >dogma until 1870. So, infallability on the part of anyone is not period. > >Pippa Sorry, no. The doctrine of papal infallibility was formally defined, not originated, at the 1st Vatican Council in 1870. The doctrine itself was espoused by many Christian authors dating from the 2nd century, notably including St. Augustine in the 4th century, who wrote of an extant controversy, "Rome has spoken, the matter is settled." Much more information about the history of Catholic and Christian faith is available on links from . - Galen practicing Catholic (sooner or later I hope to get it right) From: Lucia Digioia Date: August 31, 2007 7:43:10 AM CDT To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] New topic: Want to pick the brain of Bryn Gwlad The shady side? Kings, Dukes and Earls? Forget those pikers... Let's go straight to the top--allow me to recommend "The Bad Popes," by E. R. Chamberlin. The pope who slept with his sister, the pope who dragged the corpse of his predecessor to trial, the pope who was killed in bed with his mistress (by the husband, natch), the pope who watched criminals being hunted for sport, you name it! Unusual in that it covers time periods from the Donation of Constantine to the Renaissance. Similar in style, though slightly more limited in period, is the section on Renaissance Popes in "The March of Folly," by famed historian Barbara Tuchman (the section titled The British Lose America, while OOP by 170 years, is also fascinating). ----- Original Message ----- Ok ok so now I just want to gather information from you guys. Not relevant to much of anything except satisfying my own curiosity!!!!! I know there is a book out there titled "Elizabethan Underworld" I'm gonna get it. What I'm wanting to know is what do you guys know about the shadier side of sunny 16th century Europe! All countries :) Tell me tell me!!! My brain is needing something to feed on!!! -- Lady Damiana Gutierrez de Castilla Baronial Hospitaler Kingdom of Ansteorra, Barony of Bryn Gwlad MKA Lauren Tapia From: nweders at mail.utexas.edu Date: August 31, 2007 8:19:59 AM CDT To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] New topic: Want to pick the brain of Bryn Gwlad I can't remember the author but a really good entertaining book is one called "The Bad Popes" It's all about the Popes you can't believe they picked. From evil to reluctant. (they have one who was living in a cave and they had to drag him out to be Pope. So in revenge he died on them. Clare Edited by Mark S. Harris popes-msg Page 4 of 4