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Roman Catholic Popes in period.


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    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

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From: hag at moose.uvm.EDU (Hope A. Greenberg)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Popes

Date: 5 Aug 1993 16:17:09 -0400

Organization: The Internet


In answer to the Pope John XXIII question and for anyone who cares to have

it as a reference, I'm sending along a list of Popes. They start with

Boniface VIII, he who ticked off Philip IV of France with the bull unam

sanctam stating, among other things, that church heads had power over

secular heads, for which trouble he got himself hauled off to France.

By the way, the general impression that most people have is that the

French kings held the popes captive in Avignon for the next 70 years.

Actually, Clement V, albeit a frenchman, was on his way to Rome when,

due to the disastrous state of Roman politics, rioting, etc. stopped

at Avignon until things cooled down. The rest, as the cliche goes, is



As you can see if you look at the dates, from 1378 on there were two popes

and from 1409-1417 there were three. The current church does not recognize

the last two Avignon popes (Clement VII, Benedict XIII) or the schism

popes (Alexander V, John XXIII), thus, when the next pope who took the

name John was elected, he was known as John XXIII.



Rome (Italian):              Avignon:                     Schism:

Boniface VIII   1294-1303

Benedict XI     1303-1304

                             Clement V      1305-1314

                             John XXII      1316-1334

                             Benedict XII   1334-1342

                             Clement VI     1342-1352

                             Innocent VI    1352-1362

                             Urban V        1362-1370

                             Gregory XI     1370-1378

Urban VI        1378-1389    Clement VII    1378-1394

Boniface IX     1389-1401    Benedict XIII  1394-1417    

Innocent VII    1404-1406                                

Gregory XII     1406-1415                             Alexander V 1409-1410

                                                       John XXIII  1410-1415

Martin V        1417-1431

Eugenius IV     1431-1447

Nicholas V      1447-1455

Calixtus III    1455-1458

Pius II         1458-1464

Paul II         1464-1471

Sixtus IV       1471-1484

Innocent VIII   1484-1492

Alexander VI    1492-1503

Pius III        1503

Julius II       1503-1513

Leo X           1513-1521


Hope A. Greenberg       hag at moose.uvm.edu

Academic Computing      "There is not a cup of tea too large, an armchair

University of Vermont    too comfortable, or a book too long."  - C.S. Lewis



Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:22:54 -0500 (EST)

From: Jenne Heise <jenne at tulgey.browser.net>

To: Shire of Eisental <eisental at tulgey.browser.net>,

        SCA Arts list <sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu>

Subject: reference: web site list of popes


Sometimes it's useful to know who was pope when. Though this site doesn't

give a full listing (it kinda skimps on the double and triple popes!),

it's a handy quick reference. Note that it is written by a Catholic

priest, though.


(Review from LIIWEEK):

Popes Through the Ages: The Complete List of Popes -



Biographical information on all 265 Popes of the Roman Catholic Church,

from 32 AD to the present. The entry for Pope John Paul II has a list of

links to his online speeches and writings.


Jadwiga Zajaczkowa (Shire of Eisental; HERMS Cyclonus), mka Jennifer Heise

jenne at tulgey.browser.net



Subject: ANST - Papal infallibility

Date: Mon, 17 May 99 08:09:04 MST

From: "Paul Mitchell" <pmitchel at flash.net>

To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG


Galen of Bristol here...

>Actually, the doctrine of papal infallability was not added to Roman Catholic

>dogma until 1870. So, infallability on the part of anyone is not period.




Sorry, no.  The doctrine of papal infallibility was formally defined,

not originated, at the 1st Vatican Council in 1870.  The doctrine itself

was espoused by many Christian authors dating from the 2nd century,

notably including St. Augustine in the 4th century, who wrote of an

extant controversy, "Rome has spoken, the matter is settled."


Much more information about the history of Catholic and Christian

faith is available on links from <http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ24.HTM>;.


- Galen

practicing Catholic (sooner or later I hope to get it right)



From: Lucia Digioia <vs_bryngwlad at ansteorra.org>

Date: August 31, 2007 7:43:10 AM CDT

To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] New topic: Want to pick the brain of Bryn Gwlad


The shady side? Kings, Dukes and Earls? Forget those pikers... Let's go straight to the top--allow me to recommend "The Bad Popes," by E. R. Chamberlin.

The pope who slept with his sister, the pope who dragged the corpse of his predecessor to trial, the pope who was killed in bed with his mistress (by the husband, natch), the pope who watched criminals being hunted for sport, you name it!  Unusual in that it covers time periods from the Donation of Constantine to the Renaissance.

Similar in style, though slightly more limited in period, is the section on Renaissance Popes in "The March of Folly," by famed historian Barbara Tuchman (the section titled The British Lose America, while OOP by 170 years, is also fascinating).

----- Original Message -----

Ok ok so now I just want to gather information from you guys. Not relevant to much of anything except satisfying my own curiosity!!!!!

I know there is a book out there titled "Elizabethan Underworld"  I'm gonna get it.

What I'm wanting to know is what do you guys know about the shadier side of sunny 16th century Europe! All countries :)

Tell me tell me!!! My brain is needing something to feed on!!!


Lady Damiana Gutierrez de Castilla

Baronial Hospitaler

Kingdom of Ansteorra, Barony of Bryn Gwlad

MKA Lauren Tapia



From: nweders at mail.utexas.edu

Date: August 31, 2007 8:19:59 AM CDT

To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] New topic: Want to pick the brain of Bryn  Gwlad


I can't remember the author but a really good entertaining book is one

called "The Bad Popes"  It's all about the Popes you can't believe they

picked.  From evil to reluctant. (they have one who was living in a cave

and they had to drag him out to be Pope.  So in revenge he died on them.




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