popes-msg - 6/29/08
Roman Catholic Popes in period.
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From: hag at moose.uvm.EDU (Hope A. Greenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Popes
Date: 5 Aug 1993 16:17:09 -0400
Organization: The Internet
In answer to the Pope John XXIII question and for anyone who cares to have
it as a reference, I'm sending along a list of Popes. They start with
Boniface VIII, he who ticked off Philip IV of France with the bull unam
sanctam stating, among other things, that church heads had power over
secular heads, for which trouble he got himself hauled off to France.
By the way, the general impression that most people have is that the
French kings held the popes captive in Avignon for the next 70 years.
Actually, Clement V, albeit a frenchman, was on his way to Rome when,
due to the disastrous state of Roman politics, rioting, etc. stopped
at Avignon until things cooled down. The rest, as the cliche goes, is
history.
As you can see if you look at the dates, from 1378 on there were two popes
and from 1409-1417 there were three. The current church does not recognize
the last two Avignon popes (Clement VII, Benedict XIII) or the schism
popes (Alexander V, John XXIII), thus, when the next pope who took the
name John was elected, he was known as John XXIII.
Rome (Italian): Avignon: Schism:
Boniface VIII 1294-1303
Benedict XI 1303-1304
Clement V 1305-1314
John XXII 1316-1334
Benedict XII 1334-1342
Clement VI 1342-1352
Innocent VI 1352-1362
Urban V 1362-1370
Gregory XI 1370-1378
Urban VI 1378-1389 Clement VII 1378-1394
Boniface IX 1389-1401 Benedict XIII 1394-1417
Innocent VII 1404-1406
Gregory XII 1406-1415 Alexander V 1409-1410
John XXIII 1410-1415
Martin V 1417-1431
Eugenius IV 1431-1447
Nicholas V 1447-1455
Calixtus III 1455-1458
Pius II 1458-1464
Paul II 1464-1471
Sixtus IV 1471-1484
Innocent VIII 1484-1492
Alexander VI 1492-1503
Pius III 1503
Julius II 1503-1513
Leo X 1513-1521
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Hope A. Greenberg hag at moose.uvm.edu
Academic Computing "There is not a cup of tea too large, an armchair
University of Vermont too comfortable, or a book too long." - C.S. Lewis
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:22:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Jenne Heise <jenne at tulgey.browser.net>
To: Shire of Eisental <eisental at tulgey.browser.net>,
SCA Arts list <sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu>
Subject: reference: web site list of popes
Sometimes it's useful to know who was pope when. Though this site doesn't
give a full listing (it kinda skimps on the double and triple popes!),
it's a handy quick reference. Note that it is written by a Catholic
priest, though.
(Review from LIIWEEK):
Popes Through the Ages: The Complete List of Popes -
http://www.knight.org/advent/ppindx.htm
Biographical information on all 265 Popes of the Roman Catholic Church,
from 32 AD to the present. The entry for Pope John Paul II has a list of
links to his online speeches and writings.
Jadwiga Zajaczkowa (Shire of Eisental; HERMS Cyclonus), mka Jennifer Heise
jenne at tulgey.browser.net
Subject: ANST - Papal infallibility
Date: Mon, 17 May 99 08:09:04 MST
From: "Paul Mitchell" <pmitchel at flash.net>
To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG
Galen of Bristol here...
>Actually, the doctrine of papal infallability was not added to Roman Catholic
>dogma until 1870. So, infallability on the part of anyone is not period.
>
>Pippa
Sorry, no. The doctrine of papal infallibility was formally defined,
not originated, at the 1st Vatican Council in 1870. The doctrine itself
was espoused by many Christian authors dating from the 2nd century,
notably including St. Augustine in the 4th century, who wrote of an
extant controversy, "Rome has spoken, the matter is settled."
Much more information about the history of Catholic and Christian
faith is available on links from <http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ24.HTM>.
- Galen
practicing Catholic (sooner or later I hope to get it right)
From: Lucia Digioia <vs_bryngwlad at ansteorra.org>
Date: August 31, 2007 7:43:10 AM CDT
To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] New topic: Want to pick the brain of Bryn Gwlad
The shady side? Kings, Dukes and Earls? Forget those pikers... Let's go straight to the top--allow me to recommend "The Bad Popes," by E. R. Chamberlin.
The pope who slept with his sister, the pope who dragged the corpse of his predecessor to trial, the pope who was killed in bed with his mistress (by the husband, natch), the pope who watched criminals being hunted for sport, you name it! Unusual in that it covers time periods from the Donation of Constantine to the Renaissance.
Similar in style, though slightly more limited in period, is the section on Renaissance Popes in "The March of Folly," by famed historian Barbara Tuchman (the section titled The British Lose America, while OOP by 170 years, is also fascinating).
----- Original Message -----
Ok ok so now I just want to gather information from you guys. Not relevant to much of anything except satisfying my own curiosity!!!!!
I know there is a book out there titled "Elizabethan Underworld" I'm gonna get it.
What I'm wanting to know is what do you guys know about the shadier side of sunny 16th century Europe! All countries :)
Tell me tell me!!! My brain is needing something to feed on!!!
--
Lady Damiana Gutierrez de Castilla
Baronial Hospitaler
Kingdom of Ansteorra, Barony of Bryn Gwlad
MKA Lauren Tapia
From: nweders at mail.utexas.edu
Date: August 31, 2007 8:19:59 AM CDT
To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] New topic: Want to pick the brain of Bryn Gwlad
I can't remember the author but a really good entertaining book is one
called "The Bad Popes" It's all about the Popes you can't believe they
picked. From evil to reluctant. (they have one who was living in a cave
and they had to drag him out to be Pope. So in revenge he died on them.
Clare
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