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Puritans-msg - 2/22/02


The Puritan movement of the 16th and 17th centuries. The founding of the Plimoth Plantation. Their clothing, lifestyle and beliefs.


NOTE: See also the files: religion-msg, heretics-msg, England-msg, p-bibles-msg, indulgences-msg, dyeing-msg.





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From: XvLoverCrimvX at aol.com

Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:27:47 EDT

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Canadian Friends

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org


lcm at efn.org writes:

> A challenge for you Misha- go to the library, and do some reading. See

>  if you can find 4 or 5 things about the Puritans that surprise you and

>  are different from what you'd expect. And see if you can draw a line of

>  thought that helps you understand their role in the formation of our

>  nation. Report back. I for one would be interested in seeing what you

>  think is important about the Puritans in 17th c. America.


>  'Lainie

>  frustrated history teacher strikes again...


Well, from what I know of my English and History class the Puritans were a

strict religious group in England that wanted to purify the Church of England

to a more simplier style of worship than the more elaborate church of

England. Their attempts to form and create a theocracy in Massachusetts was

called the Puritan Experiment. William Bradford was their first leader I

think both in England and the New World. To escape religious prosecution and

intolerance, they fled to Holland and then to the United States where the

caught the name:Pilgrim. The ship they fled on was no other than the

Mayflower. On the Mayflower they formed a document called the Mayflower

Compact which essentially outlined how they would be governed. This was the

grandfather to our American Constitution. Many ministers and members of the

"elect" had great influence in the government.


     The literature of the Puirtans was in a plain style which told about

diaries and journals of self examination and the Bible. They believed that

writing about anything else would lead to temptation and would lure them into

the hands of the Devil. A Puritan woman was the first poet in America:Anne

Bradstreet. In her poem "Here follow some verses upon the burning down of our

house, July 10, 1666", she gives many allusions to the Bible such as Job 1:21

"The lord hath given, and the lord hath took. Blessed be the name of the

lord". But her poetry did deal a lot about the Bible, love for her husband,

public events, and her children. Her major source of influence of her poems

was none other than William Shakespeare. The Scarlet letter  by Nathaniel

Hawthorne was about one of his ancesters that was convicted with adultry and

therefore was made to wear the Scarlet letter A forever, unless she told who

the father was.


     The religion of the Puritans was very strict and dealt heavily with

self-examination to see if you were one of the "elect". They were Calvanists

who believed in predestination. But to see God's work, you must repent of

your sin and keep your mind and hands busy so the Devil wouldn't tempt you.

They believed the Devil was all around you and always tempting you. They were

a very susperstitious group of people. The quote I sort of sarcasitcally used

was to represent a "hellfire and brimstone preacher" known as Jonathan

Edwards. His most famous sermon was called "Sinners in the hands of an angry

God" which compared a ship sinking in damned waters, a bow and arrow piercing

a heart, and a lead weight pushing down on you to God's wrath. His sermons

brought out fear of damnation to the people which took the religion out too

far.  The Salem Witch trials showed how the Puritan religion was pushed too

far because of the oppression of women. Let me talk about the Salem Withc

trials. The first convicted in the SWT was Sarah Osborne and Sarah Good, two

unpopular women who did not go to church so they had to be witches, right?

Well, both were hanged as well as 17 others. The Salem Witch trials slowly

diminished when a Puritan Minister recited the Lords Prayer perfectly before

being hanged.


      I'm not going to go but so in depth cause my hands are hurting. But you

could say the influence of the Puritans gave us the American Constitution and

many great literary works.





Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 15:02:03 -0700

From: "Laura C. Minnick" <lcm at efn.org>

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Puritans, was: Canadian Friends


Etain1263 at aol.com wrote:

> lcm at efn.org writes:

> << The idea of a Puritan persona could be kinda cool, though I can see two

>  drawbacks: do you really want to wear very simple unrelieved black and

>  white for your SCA career? >>


> Actually..the Puritans wore many colors.  All solids, and mostly

> "neutrals"..but they ran the gamut from tan to dark brown...with yellows and

> such.  The sorts of dyes that we would find "naturally".  (and the dyers know

> what THAT means!)   Simple styles in simple colors..but not "all black, all

> the time".


Ok, so I was overreaching for a point. But I don't think you'll find a

Puritan in an Elizabethan with pearls and lace and... you know.


I understand that they did have colored dyes, but that they were 'sad'

colors- 'sad' dyes are a little muddier and deeper toned, IIRC from the

addition of iron to the dyebath. I'm sure one of the dying folks on the

list can elaborate. However, this is why their clothes were referred to

as 'sad'- not because they were depressed.


I wouldn't be able to take it- give me orange! and red! and bright

yellow! None of these muted colors for me! Woo-hoo!





Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:47:44 -0400

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

From: Barbara Nostrand <nostrand at acm.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Canadian Friends


Greetings from Solveig! I was once told that one of things that got

the puritans kicked out of England was parading down the streets of

London in the nude. You see, they were pure in mind and body and did

not need the clothes of the impure or some such thing.


Compacts governing colonies were actually pretty common. If I recall

correctly, the Mayflower people were not the first to operate under

a compact.


                                      Solveig Throndardottir

                                      Amateur Scholar


| Barbara Nostrand, Ph.D.         | Solveig Throndardottir, CoM       |

| deMoivre Institute              | Carolingia Statis Mentis Est      |

| mailto:nostrand at acm.org         | mailto:bnostran at lynx.neu.edu      |




Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 17:46:10 -0700

From: Morses3 at aol.com

Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:01:37 EDT

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org


As a researcher for my family genealogy society with a very long New England

history, this is a topic I've read a lot on before. The web site above from

the living history museum at Plimoth Plantation, widely regarded as one of

the most accurate in the world at portraying the details of a certain

historical time and place, details clothing worn by ordinary people of

Plimoth Plantation, most of whom were not Puritans, but wore the same

clothing that the Puritans wore as well.


Most of the "black and white" Puritan stuff came from the 19th century

writers and artists romanticizing their ancestors of "olden tymes", but

remember that many European Puritans before emigrating wore black and white

as a symbol of their wealth and fiscal soundness to prove they were the

chosen ones in the eyes of God. It was more difficult to retain a deep black

dye in an era without chemicals and thus more costly to be seen wearing black

clothing highlighted with hard to care for-clean- white linens......even in

that case though, it would have been for their "best" clothing, reserved for

church and special occasions, not commonly for everyday wear.


Since this is a food list and I don't want to be guilty of non-food content,

there are also good links on the Plimoth Plantation web site for 17th century

New World food, including some recipes, and of course these are only a few

years out of our period.





To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:51:18 -0400

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Canadian Friends

From: Elizabeth A Heckert <spynnere at juno.com>


On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:36:21 EDT XvLoverCrimvX at aol.com writes:

> Therefore, could you have a Puritan persona

>because it is in the limits of the SCA?




  Misha, my late persona happens to be a Covenanter who floats about

between London and Edinburgh, 'cause I can't decide which city I like

better--and Covenenters are Scots.


    Jean Calvin (also John) was born in 1509 and died 1564.  He preached

in France and Switzerland.  John Knox was a prominent Scottish minister.

His dates are 1507-72.  It's an entirely reasonable choice for a persona,

as in being within the SCA period, altho' some folks might think it odd.





To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:05:02 -0400

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Puritans, was: Canadian Friends

From: Elizabeth A Heckert <spynnere at juno.com>


On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 10:24:59 -0700 "Laura C. Minnick" <lcm at efn.org>


>The idea of a Puritan persona could be kinda cool, though I can see

>two drawbacks: do you really want to wear very simple unrelieved black

>and white for your SCA career?




      I have a lovely colour photocopy of a painting of a Huguenot (ie.

French Calvinists) church service.  Lots of people are wearing black, but

the latter half of the sixteenth century had a fashion vogue for dark

colours.  And almost as popular in that print are red and pink.  I have

it for precisely these moments (grin!).  Sober dress does not necessarily

refer to colour.


    Reference your paragraph about the rest of their lives--it does apply

to the dress as well.  The Protestants of the late sixteenth-early

seventeenth century have a bad rep, I realize, but we tend to hear the

extreme arguements, not the vast middle.





To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:31:02 -0400

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] The Puritans

From: Elizabeth A Heckert <spynnere at juno.com>


On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 20:32:07 -0500 Stefan li Rous <stefan at texas.net>


>However, it could be limiting if you do it in an accurate way. I doubt

>the Puritans would be partying or dancing as many wish to do at SCA

>events. Did they make alcohol or drink it?


    There is a *lovely* book called *The Anatomy of Abuses*  by a man

whose last name is Stubbs, and I believe his first name is Phillip.  In

it he deplores everything that makes life fun, from cosmetics to clothes,

and (I think) food.


    Stubbs was a conservative English Protestant, and the only way I've

been able to find any of this work is in excerpt in other works, as the

only available ILL editions are on microfilm, and the library I use

doesn't have a reader.

<http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/general/html.>; has some of his

clothing comments.


    But the thing is, if he had to complain about everyone doing this,

that and the other, that means *of course* Puritans were doing those

things also.  If all your brethern are good, holy and meek, then you

don't need to chastise them.


    If the Puritans refused alcohol, what would they have drunk???  Water

wasn't drunk much, and milk was still more important as cheese and



    There were bad Puritans, and evil Puritans, but there were good

Puritans as well.  If we succumb to historical stereotypes, we're doing

no good service to the truth of history.





Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 15:21:06 -0400

From: johnna holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Puritans and Pilgrims


There are a number of differences between

Puritans and Pilgrims.


To summarize as given by 1620 Society website

at http://www.sail1620.org/m2k/history/pnotp.htm

(This is given as a comparison chart on the website

so I've had to retype it. )



Arrived 1620 under Governors Carver and Bradford.

Founded Plymouth Colony. Friendly with Indians for

40 years. Paid Indians for land. Communal living

for the first 7 years. Seized Indian lands.

Democratic, consensus of the governed. Separated

from the Church of England. Not a single prosecution

of witchcraft. Representation and equal inheritance.

Forerunner of US Constitution & Declaration of Independence.

More tolerant than the Church of  England.




Arrived 1630 under Governor Winthrop, founding the

Massachusetts Bay Colony. Indian problems from the outset.

Seized Indian lands. Individual profit from the outset.

Authoritarian. "Purified" the Church from within.

Prosecuted and executed for witchcraft. Intolerant.


If you will note on that website, the 1620 group went so

far as to even draft a proclamation saying that the Pilgrims

weren't Puritans back in 1960.

See also: http://www.gospelcom.net/ligonier/tt/tt-11-96/logan.html

for another discussion or run a google search

on (pilgrams, puritans, differences) for a number

of discussions.


Johnna Holloway Johnnae llyn Lewis



Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 16:01:51 -0400

From: johnna holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org, Elizabeth A Heckert <spynnere at juno.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] The Puritans


I am sorry that the libraries in your area

have failed you, Elizabeth. As a librarian

with an undergrad degree in history (my

senior honors course was on Tudor/Stuart

Women), I can see where you might like to

read more from Stubbes than excerpts.

Stubbes and his

anatomie/anatomy should be available to you

in a printed format. There have been a number

of reprints in hardback, including one in-print

110.00 dollar one that is currently available

by special order. Here are two editions.


Philip Stubbes. THE ANATOMIE OF ABUSES. printed

in London by R. Jones in 1583.

New York : Walter J. Johnson Incorporated,

in 1972 as part of the series titled

English Experience Ser.; No. 489;

ISBN: 9022104893 Trade Cloth;

At least 100 libraries report owning this volume.


Another edition is titled: The anatomy of abuses,

by New York, Johnson Reprint Corp., 1972.

at least 51 libraries report owning this edition.


If you want to read it in full, I'd suggest the

Walter Johnson edition.


Johnna Holloway  Johnnae llyn Lewis



Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 16:50:11 -0400

From: Tara Sersen Boroson <tsersen at nni.com>

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] The Puritans


Elizabeth, University of Delaware's library has the Stubbes book, so you

should be able to ILL it.  If you can't, let me know and I can try to

get ahold of it for you since you're fairly local.  Are you going to

Kingdom Crusades?  It's listing is below.





AUTHOR:  Stubbes, Phillip.


TITLE:  The anatomie of abuses: contayning a discoverie, or briefe

           summarie of such notable vices and imperfections, as now

           raigne in many Christian countreyes of the worlde: but

           (especiallie) in a verie famous ilande called Ailgna:

           together, with most fearefull examples of Gods iudgementes,

           executed vpon the wicked for the same, aswell in Ailgna of

           late, as in other places, elsewhere... London, Printed by R.

           Iones, 1583.


PUBLISHED:  <Amsterdam, Theatrum Orbis Terrarum; New York, Da Capo



SUBJECTS:  Theater--Moral and ethical aspects.

            England--Social life and customs--16th century.


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