rue-msg - 6/7/09 ਀ഊMedieval uses of the herb "rue". Cautions. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: herbs-msg, p-herbals-msg, seeds-msg, herb-uses-msg, mandrake-art, garlic-msg, capers-msg, angelica-msg, sumac-msg, herbs-cooking-msg, birth-control-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀  栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀  栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀  愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀  漀昀  攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀  眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀  眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀  眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀  渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀  愀猀  琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀  漀昀  琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  最椀瘀攀渀  戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀  爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀  愀渀搀  攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀  琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀  琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀  挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀  漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀  椀猀  甀渀挀氀攀愀爀  愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀  椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  椀猀  瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀  昀爀漀洀  琀栀攀猀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: lmanning at julian.uwo.ca (l.k. manning) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: re: Rue ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㘀 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㜀㨀㌀㌀㨀㌀㠀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Canada ਀ഊ According to "An Illustrated Guide to Herbs" by Anna Kruger, rue has ਀戀攀攀渀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 愀渀 愀渀琀椀搀漀琀攀 琀漀 瀀漀椀猀漀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀 猀瀀爀椀渀欀氀攀爀 昀漀爀 栀漀氀礀 眀愀琀攀爀 ഊduring Catholic High Mass, benificial to the eyes, and helpful for ਀爀栀攀甀洀愀琀椀挀 瀀愀椀渀猀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀渀✀琀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 愀猀 椀琀 栀愀猀 愀渀 ഊoverpowering taste. I hope that sheds some light... ਀ഊKahleen M'Glannagh ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 樀攀昀昀猀  愀琀 洀愀琀栀⸀戀甀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀䨀攀昀昀 匀甀稀甀欀椀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 爀甀攀ഊDate: 19 Jan 1995 14:53:48 -0500 ਀ഊIf memory serves correctly, rue is an abortifacient. ਀ഊJeffs ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀氀礀猀 漀昀 䘀漀砀搀愀氀攀 㰀昀漀砀搀愀氀攀  愀琀 眀漀氀昀猀琀愀爀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: Sat, 3 May 1997 10:07:06 -0400 (EDT) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀甀攀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 最愀爀搀攀渀椀渀最 愀渀搀 戀漀甀最栀琀 愀 氀漀瘀攀氀礀 瀀氀愀渀琀ഊ> called "rue". Was this known in period? What were its uses? Is there any ਀㸀 昀漀氀欀氀漀爀攀 猀甀爀爀漀甀渀搀椀渀最 椀琀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 䠀攀氀椀猀攀渀渀攀ഊ ਀䐀愀渀最℀  䤀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 最攀琀 洀漀爀攀 栀攀爀戀 戀漀漀欀猀㬀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 洀椀渀攀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀ഊhistorical or medicinal info at all, and the use of rue was primarily ਀洀攀搀椀挀椀渀愀氀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 欀渀漀眀 匀栀愀欀攀猀瀀攀愀爀攀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 爀甀攀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 漀渀挀攀⸀  䔀瘀攀爀 栀攀愀爀搀 琀栀攀 猀愀礀椀渀最 ഊ"rue the day you were born"? Rue was associated with melancholy and ਀爀攀最爀攀琀㬀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 椀琀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 琀爀攀愀琀 椀琀㬀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 漀爀 椀琀ഊwas used by the suicidal. It is a poison, and has been used as an ਀愀戀漀爀琀椀昀愀挀椀攀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 开吀栀攀 倀氀攀愀猀甀爀攀 漀昀 䠀攀爀戀猀开 戀礀 倀栀礀氀氀椀猀 匀栀愀甀搀礀猀Ⰰ ∀伀渀挀攀 愀ഊmedicinal herb, bunches of it [rue] were used to ward off the plague, ਀愀渀搀 䬀椀渀最 䴀椀琀栀爀椀搀愀琀攀猀 椀猀 猀愀椀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 琀愀欀攀渀 猀洀愀氀氀 搀漀猀攀猀 漀昀 爀甀攀 愀渀搀ഊother poisonous herbs to make himself immune to assassination ਀愀琀琀攀洀瀀琀猀⸀∀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀 开䠀攀爀戀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䠀漀洀攀开 戀礀 䨀攀欀欀愀 䴀挀嘀椀挀愀爀㨀ഊ ਀   ∀吀栀攀 刀漀洀愀渀猀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 椀琀 嬀爀甀攀崀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 一漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 琀漀 䈀爀椀琀愀椀渀Ⰰഊ where it did not gain favor until the Middle Ages, when it was one ਀   漀昀 琀栀攀 栀攀爀戀猀 挀愀爀爀椀攀搀 椀渀 渀漀猀攀最愀礀猀 戀礀 琀栀攀 爀椀挀栀 愀猀 瀀爀漀琀攀挀琀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀ഊ evil and the plague. Also, like rosemary, it was placed near the ਀   樀甀搀最攀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 瀀爀椀猀漀渀攀爀猀 眀攀爀攀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 漀甀琀Ⰰ 愀猀 瀀爀漀琀攀挀琀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀ഊ pestilence ridden jails and fever. ਀ഊ It was famous for preserving eyesight and was said to promote ਀   猀攀挀漀渀搀 猀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 愀挀琀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀栀椀爀搀 攀礀攀⸀  䈀漀琀栀 䰀攀漀渀愀爀搀漀 搀愀ഊ Vinci and Michaelangelo are supposed to have said that their inner ਀   瘀椀猀椀漀渀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 攀渀栀愀渀挀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀椀猀 栀攀爀戀⸀∀ഊ ਀䴀挀嘀椀挀愀爀 最漀攀猀 漀渀 琀漀 猀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 爀甀攀 眀愀猀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 琀爀攀愀琀 攀礀攀猀琀爀愀椀渀Ⰰ 攀礀攀猀琀爀愀椀渀 ഊheadaches, nervous headaches, heart palpitations, high blood pressure, ਀渀攀爀瘀漀甀猀 搀椀最攀猀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀氀椀挀⸀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀氀猀漀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀 栀愀爀搀攀渀 戀漀渀攀猀ഊand teeth, and to expel worms. ਀ഊBoth sources warn against handling rue; it is known to cause a rash ਀挀愀氀氀攀搀 瀀栀礀琀漀氀ⴀ搀攀爀洀愀琀椀琀椀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀氀猀漀 猀琀爀漀渀最 愀氀氀攀爀最椀挀 爀攀愀挀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ഊ ਀䤀琀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 攀渀氀椀最栀琀攀渀椀渀最 琀漀 挀栀攀挀欀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀 瀀愀最攀 愀渀搀 愀 栀愀氀昀 漀昀 攀渀琀爀椀攀猀 椀渀ഊthe Oxford English Dictionary if you have one handy. ਀ഊ Alys of Foxdale Shire of Stierbach, Kingdom of Atlantia ਀ 洀欀愀 匀愀氀氀椀攀 䴀漀渀琀甀漀爀椀               䌀栀愀渀琀椀氀氀礀Ⰰ 嘀椀爀最椀渀椀愀Ⰰ 唀匀䄀ഊfoxdale at wolfstar.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀氀礀猀 漀昀 䘀漀砀搀愀氀攀 㰀昀漀砀搀愀氀攀  愀琀 眀漀氀昀猀琀愀爀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: Sat, 3 May 1997 10:26:43 -0400 (EDT) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀甀攀ഊ ਀唀瀀漀渀 爀攀ⴀ爀攀愀搀椀渀最 洀礀 瀀漀猀琀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀 洀愀搀攀 琀栀椀猀 猀甀昀昀椀挀椀攀渀琀氀礀 挀氀攀愀爀㨀ഊ ਀刀唀䔀 䤀匀 倀伀䤀匀伀一⸀  䐀伀 一伀吀 唀匀䔀 䤀吀 夀伀唀刀匀䔀䰀䘀 䘀伀刀 䄀一夀 伀䘀 吀䠀䔀 吀刀䔀䄀吀䴀䔀一吀匀ഊLISTED. IF YOU ARE PREGNANT, DO NOT EVEN HANDLE THE HERB. ਀ഊYou are all intelligent adults, I'm sure, but I feel better having ਀猀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀 猀漀 洀愀渀礀 眀漀爀搀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀礀猀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Uduido at aol.com ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㌀ 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㠀㨀㌀㐀㨀㈀㜀 ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Rue ਀ഊ<< the use of rue was primarily medicinal. >> ਀ഊAlthough this may have been true for late period, MANY early period recipes ਀挀愀氀氀 昀漀爀 爀甀攀 愀猀 愀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀椀渀最 愀最攀渀琀⸀ 倀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 椀琀✀猀 猀琀爀漀渀最 猀洀攀氀氀 愀渀搀ഊbitter taste it was later deemed "poisonous". I have used it numerous times ਀椀渀 昀攀愀猀琀猀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀  栀愀搀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 最攀琀 椀氀氀 昀爀漀洀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀䰀漀爀搀 刀愀猀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Alys of Foxdale ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㌀ 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㤀㨀㄀㘀㨀㈀㈀ ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Rue ਀ഊOn Sat, 3 May 1997 Uduido at aol.com wrote: ਀ഊ> << RUE IS POISON. DO NOT USE IT YOURSELF FOR ANY OF THE TREATMENTS ਀㸀  䰀䤀匀吀䔀䐀 䈀䔀䰀伀圀⸀  䤀䘀 夀伀唀 䄀刀䔀 倀刀䔀䜀一䄀一吀Ⰰ 䐀伀 一伀吀 䔀嘀䔀一 䠀䄀一䐀䰀䔀 吀䠀䔀 䠀䔀刀䈀⸀ 㸀㸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䄀氀礀猀Ⰰഊ> ਀㸀 匀椀渀挀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀Ⰰ 瀀椀挀欀攀搀Ⰰ 栀愀渀搀氀攀搀 攀愀琀攀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 爀甀攀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀 椀氀氀 愀昀昀攀挀琀猀Ⰰഊ> would you be so kind as to e-mail details of modern sources detailing the ਀㸀 瀀漀椀猀漀渀漀甀猀 愀昀昀攀挀琀猀 漀昀 刀甀攀㼀 吀栀愀渀欀ⴀ礀漀甀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䰀漀爀搀 刀愀猀ഊ ਀开䠀攀爀戀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䠀漀洀攀开 戀礀 䨀攀欀欀愀 䴀挀嘀椀挀愀爀 ⠀㄀㤀㤀㐀⤀ഊ ਀∀嬀刀甀攀崀 䴀甀猀琀 漀渀氀礀 戀攀 甀猀攀搀 戀礀 洀攀搀椀挀愀氀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀渀攀氀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 愀琀 愀氀氀 戀礀ഊpregnant women, as it is abortive. Large doses are toxic, sometimes ਀瀀爀攀挀椀瀀椀琀愀琀椀渀最 洀攀渀琀愀氀 挀漀渀昀甀猀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 漀椀氀 椀猀 挀愀瀀愀戀氀攀 漀昀 挀愀甀猀椀渀最ഊdeath." ਀ഊThis is not the only source I've read warning of the danger of using ਀爀甀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀椀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 䤀 焀甀漀琀攀搀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀猀 䤀ഊcurrently possess which mention rue at all. I find it interesting ਀愀渀搀 琀攀氀氀椀渀最Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 攀瘀攀渀 开吀栀攀 䔀渀挀礀挀氀漀瀀攀搀椀愀 漀昀 䠀攀爀戀猀Ⰰ 匀瀀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊFlavorings_ (1992), a compendium sufficiently large that it has ਀氀椀猀琀椀渀最猀 攀瘀攀渀 昀漀爀 猀甀挀栀 栀愀爀搀ⴀ琀漀ⴀ昀椀渀搀 椀琀攀洀猀 愀猀 漀甀爀 漀氀搀 昀爀椀攀渀搀猀 挀甀戀攀戀猀Ⰰഊlong pepper, and grains of paradise, doesn't list rue. ਀ഊSo if you still want to use rue, fine, go ahead -- but I won't. ਀ഊ Alys of Foxdale Shire of Stierbach, Kingdom of Atlantia ਀ 洀欀愀 匀愀氀氀椀攀 䴀漀渀琀甀漀爀椀               䌀栀愀渀琀椀氀氀礀Ⰰ 嘀椀爀最椀渀椀愀Ⰰ 唀匀䄀ഊfoxdale at wolfstar.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀愀瘀椀搀 昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀 㰀搀搀昀爀  愀琀 戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: Sun, 4 May 1997 00:15:36 -0700 (PDT) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀甀攀ഊ ਀刀甀攀 猀栀漀眀猀 甀瀀 椀渀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䤀猀氀愀洀椀挀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊ_Miscellany_. We have grown it and used it with no ill effects. ("We" in ਀琀栀攀猀攀 瀀漀猀琀猀 洀攀愀渀猀 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀 愀渀搀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀⤀⸀ 䤀琀 栀愀猀 愀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 戀椀琀琀攀爀 琀愀猀琀攀Ⰰഊwhich may explain some of the literary references. ਀ഊDavid/Cariadoc ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀搀搀昀爀⼀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Alys of Foxdale ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ 㐀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 　㤀㨀㄀㜀㨀㈀㘀 ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊSubject: SC - Rue - How much is too much? ਀ഊ> Rue shows up in medieval Islamic recipes, including some in the ਀㸀 开䴀椀猀挀攀氀氀愀渀礀开⸀ 圀攀 栀愀瘀攀 最爀漀眀渀 椀琀 愀渀搀 甀猀攀搀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀 椀氀氀 攀昀昀攀挀琀猀⸀ ⠀∀圀攀∀ 椀渀ഊ> these posts means Cariadoc and Elizabeth). It has a rather bitter taste, ਀㸀 眀栀椀挀栀 洀愀礀 攀砀瀀氀愀椀渀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀椀琀攀爀愀爀礀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䐀愀瘀椀搀⼀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊ ਀䌀氀攀愀爀氀礀 䤀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 昀椀氀氀 椀渀 猀漀洀攀 栀漀氀攀猀 椀渀 洀礀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 栀攀爀戀愀氀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀Ⰰഊwhich has proven to have a glaring lack east and south of Europe. ਀ഊSince so many people have said they use it with no ill-effect, perhaps ਀椀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 洀漀爀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 琀漀 搀攀琀攀爀洀椀渀攀 栀漀眀 洀甀挀栀 椀猀 琀漀漀 洀甀挀栀Ⰰ 漀爀 愀琀ഊleast what a safe range is. ਀ഊSo how much rue is called for in the average recipe that uses it? ਀圀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 氀愀爀最攀猀琀 挀漀渀挀攀渀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 攀瘀攀爀 甀猀攀搀㼀  嬀吀栀椀猀 ∀礀漀甀∀ 椀猀ഊmeant to the list at large, not to point a finger at Duke Cariadoc.] ਀ഊ Alys of Foxdale Shire of Stierbach, Kingdom of Atlantia ਀ 洀欀愀 匀愀氀氀椀攀 䴀漀渀琀甀漀爀椀               䌀栀愀渀琀椀氀氀礀Ⰰ 嘀椀爀最椀渀椀愀Ⰰ 唀匀䄀ഊfoxdale at wolfstar.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 唀搀甀椀搀漀  愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊDate: Sun, 4 May 1997 20:01:05 -0400 (EDT) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀甀攀 ⴀ 䠀漀眀 洀甀挀栀 椀猀 琀漀漀 洀甀挀栀㼀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 搀愀琀攀搀 㤀㜀ⴀ　㔀ⴀ　㐀 　㤀㨀㄀㠀㨀㄀㌀ 䔀䐀吀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 眀爀椀琀攀㨀ഊ ਀㰀㰀 匀漀 栀漀眀 洀甀挀栀 爀甀攀 椀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 昀漀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀瘀攀爀愀最攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 琀栀愀琀 甀猀攀猀 椀琀㼀ഊ What is the largest concentration you have ever used? [This "you" is ਀ 洀攀愀渀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 氀椀猀琀 愀琀 氀愀爀最攀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 琀漀 瀀漀椀渀琀 愀 昀椀渀最攀爀 愀琀 䐀甀欀攀 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀⸀崀ഊ >> ਀ഊMy usage was never more than 1/2 tsp. to 1 tblsp dried rue in a recipe that ਀猀攀爀瘀攀猀 㐀ⴀ㠀⸀ 唀猀甀愀氀氀礀 䤀 樀甀猀琀 最漀 漀甀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 栀攀爀戀 戀攀搀 愀渀搀 猀渀椀瀀 漀昀昀 愀 猀瀀爀椀最 愀渀搀ഊdrop it into the pot. ਀ഊLord Ras ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 戀愀爀戀愀爀愀 猀栀甀眀愀爀最攀爀 㰀戀猀栀甀眀愀爀最  愀琀 氀愀甀猀搀⸀欀㄀㈀⸀挀愀⸀甀猀㸀ഊDate: Sun, 4 May 1997 18:14:46 -0700 (PDT) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀甀攀 ⴀ 䠀漀眀 洀甀挀栀 椀猀 琀漀漀 洀甀挀栀㼀ഊ ਀䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 椀洀愀最椀渀攀 琀栀愀琀 爀甀攀 椀猀 愀氀氀 琀栀愀琀 瀀漀椀猀漀渀漀甀猀 ⴀ 椀琀 椀猀 猀漀氀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 渀甀爀猀攀爀礀ഊright next to the thmye and lavendar. I personally would not describe the ਀琀愀猀琀攀 愀猀 戀椀琀琀攀爀 漀爀 甀渀瀀氀攀愀猀愀渀琀⸀ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀 椀琀 愀猀 洀漀爀攀 氀椀欀攀 瀀甀渀最攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀ഊlittle like cilantro. ਀ഊBoy is there a lot of folklore associated with this herb! I've recently ਀搀攀瘀漀氀漀瀀攀搀 愀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀 椀渀 最愀爀搀攀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 猀漀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀氀礀 䤀 栀愀搀 琀漀 戀甀礀 愀 稀椀氀氀椀漀渀ഊbooks on the subject, including more than a few on herbs. Rodale's ਀∀䤀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀攀搀 䔀渀挀礀挀氀漀瀀攀搀椀愀 漀昀 栀攀爀戀猀∀Ⰰ 䤀䴀䠀伀 椀猀 洀漀爀攀 甀猀攀昀甀氀 昀漀爀 昀漀氀欀氀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀ഊgardening advice. Fascinating stuff is included on the herb "rue". A few ਀琀椀搀戀椀琀猀 昀漀氀氀漀眀㨀ഊ ਀䄀爀椀猀琀漀琀氀攀 猀愀椀搀 椀琀 攀愀猀攀搀 渀攀爀瘀漀甀猀 椀渀搀椀最攀猀琀椀漀渀 眀栀攀渀 攀愀琀椀渀最 戀攀昀漀爀攀ഊforeigners. The Roman Pliny said it improved eyesight. Indeed Leonardo da ਀嘀椀渀挀椀 愀渀搀 䴀椀挀栀攀氀愀渀最漀 栀甀渀搀爀攀搀猀 漀昀 礀攀愀爀猀 氀愀琀攀爀 愀爀攀 猀愀椀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀 椀琀 琀漀ഊimprove their own second sight. (And they were hardly stupid!) ਀ഊBut most of the folklore seems to involve tales of rue's anti magical ਀挀栀愀爀愀挀琀攀爀椀猀琀椀挀猀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 愀 爀攀氀椀愀戀氀攀 搀攀昀攀渀猀攀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 眀椀琀挀栀攀猀 愀渀搀ഊthe plague. Did you guys know it was an early model for the suit of clubs ਀椀渀 瀀氀愀礀椀渀最 挀愀爀搀猀㼀ഊ ਀刀漀搀愀氀攀 愀氀猀漀 爀攀氀愀琀攀猀 琀栀椀猀 愀渀攀挀搀漀琀攀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀嘀椀渀攀最愀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀漀甀爀 吀栀椀攀瘀攀猀∀⸀ഊ ਀∀䐀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 䜀爀攀愀琀 倀氀愀最甀攀 漀昀 䰀漀渀搀漀渀 椀渀 ㄀㘀㘀㔀Ⰰ 愀猀 洀愀渀礀 愀猀 㜀Ⰰ　　　 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀攀爀攀ഊdying each week. In this plague, as in others that swept Europe, herbs ਀眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 甀渀攀渀搀椀渀最 挀漀洀戀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀猀 愀渀搀 愀瀀瀀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀 琀漀 挀甀爀攀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀攀挀琀攀搀ഊas well as to ward off disease. ....A red cross was painted on the doors ਀漀昀 栀漀洀攀猀 眀栀攀爀攀 愀 瀀氀愀最甀攀 搀攀愀琀栀 栀愀搀 漀挀挀甀爀爀攀搀Ⰰ 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀椀渀最 愀 眀愀爀渀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀ഊwary and a signal to the unscrupulous. Among the latter was a band of ਀琀栀椀攀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 眀栀漀Ⰰ 昀漀爀琀椀昀椀攀搀 戀礀 搀爀愀昀琀猀 漀昀 愀渀 栀攀爀戀愀氀 瘀椀渀攀最愀爀Ⰰ 猀琀漀氀攀 昀爀漀洀ഊcorpses..Rue was a primary ingredient. Mixed into a gallon of red wine ਀瘀椀渀攀最愀爀 眀攀爀攀 ㄀ⴀ㄀⼀㈀ 漀甀渀挀攀猀 攀愀挀栀 漀昀 爀甀攀Ⰰ 猀愀最攀Ⰰ 洀椀渀琀Ⰰ 眀漀爀洀眀漀漀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀漀猀攀洀愀爀礀㬀ഊ2 ounces of lavendar flowers; 1/2 oz. of camphor; and 1/4 oz. each of ਀挀椀渀愀洀洀漀渀Ⰰ 挀氀漀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 最愀爀氀椀挀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䌀愀氀愀洀甀猀 愀爀漀洀愀琀椀挀甀猀⸀∀ഊ ਀匀漀甀渀搀猀 氀椀欀攀 最漀漀搀 猀愀氀愀搀 搀爀攀猀猀椀渀最 琀漀 洀攀⸀⸀⸀ഊI wonder if they drank it straight up. ਀ഊOK< regarding its toxicity, Rodale says, " Large doses can cause violent ਀最愀猀琀爀漀椀渀琀攀猀琀椀渀愀氀 瀀愀椀渀猀 愀渀搀 瘀漀洀椀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 洀攀渀琀愀氀 挀漀渀昀甀猀椀漀渀Ⰰ 瀀爀漀猀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊconvulsive twitching. It should never be taken by preganat women as it ਀挀愀渀 琀爀椀最最攀爀 愀戀漀爀琀椀漀渀⸀⸀⸀伀瘀攀爀攀砀瀀漀猀甀爀攀 琀漀 猀甀渀氀椀最栀琀 愀昀琀攀爀 椀渀最攀猀琀椀渀最 爀甀攀 挀愀渀ഊresult in severe sunburn..." ਀ഊ"Brother Cadfael's Herb Garden" gives more rue-ology. "Rue, a strong ਀愀爀漀洀愀琀椀挀 栀攀爀戀Ⰰ 眀愀猀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 愀 戀椀琀琀攀爀 昀氀愀瘀漀甀爀 琀漀 昀漀漀搀猀 愀渀搀 愀氀挀漀栀漀氀椀挀ഊdrinks, especially grappa. It was also added to salads The rue was also worn for luck and as protection ਀愀最愀椀渀猀琀 眀椀琀挀栀挀爀愀昀琀⸀⸀⸀⸀䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀氀猀漀 栀甀渀最 椀渀猀椀搀攀 栀漀甀猀攀猀 琀漀 爀攀瀀攀氀 椀渀猀攀挀琀猀⸀⸀ഊListed by Aelfric, the plant was used in perfumes anc cosmetics." ਀ഊAdditonally, David Hoffman's "The Complete Illustrated Holistic Herbal" ਀猀愀礀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀猀 洀愀椀渀 甀猀攀 椀猀 琀栀攀 爀攀最甀氀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 洀攀渀猀琀爀甀愀氀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀猀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 椀琀ഊis used to bring on suppressed menses...the easing of spasm gives it a ਀爀漀氀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀瀀瀀椀渀最 漀昀 猀瀀愀猀洀漀搀椀挀 挀漀甀最栀猀⸀⸀⸀ 䤀昀 昀爀攀猀栀 氀攀愀昀 椀猀 挀栀攀眀攀搀Ⰰ 椀琀ഊwill relieve tension headaches, ease palpitations and other anxiety ਀瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀⸀∀  ഊ ਀伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 甀渀氀攀猀猀 礀漀甀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 椀渀 栀漀氀椀猀琀椀挀 洀攀搀椀挀椀渀攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 搀椀猀爀攀最愀爀搀 琀栀攀ഊabove. ਀ഊIn summary, all the works I consulted seem to agree that it can definitely ਀挀愀甀猀攀 愀戀漀爀琀椀漀渀 搀甀爀椀渀最 瀀爀攀最渀愀渀挀礀 愀渀搀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 猀欀椀渀 椀爀爀椀琀愀琀椀漀渀猀 愀洀漀渀最ഊallergic persons. However, IMHO, since there is such a large body of ਀昀漀氀欀氀漀爀攀 愀猀猀漀挀椀愀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 栀攀爀戀 洀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 眀椀搀攀氀礀 甀猀攀搀ഊand just can't be all that toxic. Check out the recipe I cited above for ਀猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀椀攀猀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 漀渀攀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 瀀漀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊAnd please don't blame me if you get sick from etaing it, cause I'm ਀挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 渀漀 攀砀瀀攀爀琀 栀攀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀䄀猀 昀愀爀 愀猀 琀栀攀 愀氀氀攀爀最椀挀 爀攀愀挀琀椀漀渀猀 最漀Ⰰ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀爀攀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀 昀攀眀 栀攀爀戀猀 愀渀搀ഊother plants that fall into this category. I have even known people who ਀愀爀攀 猀攀渀猀椀琀瘀攀 琀漀 最愀爀氀椀挀Ⰰ 瀀漀漀爀 猀漀甀氀猀⸀ 䄀渀搀 猀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 䄀渀搀 愀瘀漀挀愀搀漀猀⸀ 䄀搀ഊinfinitum. ਀ഊ So rue is definitely a period herb, perhaps more used in ਀洀攀搀椀挀椀渀愀氀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀愀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀愀渀 挀甀氀椀渀愀爀礀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀 渀漀琀 攀砀挀氀甀猀椀瘀攀氀礀 猀漀⸀ 䤀 愀琀攀 愀渀ഊentire sprig in my ignorance and it didn't do a thing to me. But then I'm ਀渀漀琀 瀀爀攀最渀愀渀琀 ⠀琀栀愀渀欀 最漀搀⤀⸀ ഊ ਀䈀礀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀Ⰰ 䤀 愀洀 渀攀眀 琀漀 琀栀椀猀 氀椀猀琀 愀渀搀 䤀 欀攀攀瀀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 椀昀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 椀猀ഊgoing to flame me for writing of an herb that has largely medicinal uses. ਀䤀猀 椀琀 伀䬀㼀 圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 眀爀椀琀攀 漀昀 瀀椀稀稀愀 琀漀瀀瀀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 瀀椀渀攀愀瀀瀀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊCaid list.... ਀ഊHelisenne ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 愀氀氀椀氀礀渀  愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䰀夀一 䴀 倀䄀刀䬀䤀一匀伀一⤀ഊDate: Sun, 04 May 1997 23:39:23 EDT ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀甀攀ഊ ਀㸀䤀 愀洀 甀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 眀栀漀 猀甀昀昀攀爀猀 昀爀漀洀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 愀氀氀攀爀最椀攀猀⸀ 一漀眀 䤀✀洀ഊ>wondering if I should just give the damned thing away. But then, I could ਀㸀甀猀攀 瀀爀漀琀攀挀琀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀最甀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀䄀爀攀 礀漀甀 猀愀礀椀渀最 琀栀攀渀 䤀 猀栀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 攀瘀攀爀 攀愀琀 琀栀攀 猀琀甀昀昀㼀ഊ>Am I going to rue the day I bought this plant? ;-) ਀ഊHelisenne, ਀ഊKeep the plant. Don't eat it. If you need to touch it, use rubber ਀最氀漀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 瀀爀漀琀攀挀琀 礀漀甀爀 栀愀渀搀猀 戀礀 甀猀椀渀最 愀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 琀漀眀攀氀 琀漀 瀀甀氀氀 漀昀昀 搀攀愀搀ഊleaves. Run and stand next to it at the next plague alert. ;-) ਀ഊ ਀䤀✀瘀攀 氀漀漀欀攀搀 椀琀 甀瀀 椀渀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 漀昀 洀礀 栀攀爀戀愀氀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 椀猀 攀愀琀攀渀 爀愀眀 椀渀 猀愀氀愀搀猀ഊ[in small amounts] in Italy, drunk as a tea, and used in other ways, many ਀洀攀搀椀挀椀渀愀氀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 渀漀琀 甀猀攀搀 愀猀 漀昀琀攀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 唀匀䄀 愀猀 昀漀爀洀攀爀氀礀⸀  䌀愀甀琀椀漀渀ഊagainst using when pregnant is in every book. There are several ਀瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 猀琀爀漀渀最攀爀 琀栀愀渀 漀琀栀攀爀猀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 戀攀猀琀 栀愀渀搀氀攀搀 愀渀搀ഊused, if at all, sparingly and with great caution. Recommended as an ਀愀琀琀爀愀挀琀椀瘀攀 最愀爀搀攀渀 瀀氀愀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀ഊKeville, Kathi. _Herbs, An Illustrated Encyclopedia_ [A complete ਀挀甀氀椀渀愀爀礀Ⰰ 挀漀猀洀攀琀椀挀Ⰰ 洀攀搀椀挀椀渀愀氀 愀渀搀 漀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀愀氀 最甀椀搀攀崀⸀  䈀愀爀渀攀猀 ☀ 一漀戀氀攀ⰀഊInc. 1997. ISBN 0 7606 0486 4. ਀ഊOdy, Penelope. _The Complete Medicianl Herbal_ [a practicle guide to the ਀栀攀愀氀椀渀最 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀琀椀攀猀 漀昀 栀攀爀戀猀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 ㈀㔀　 爀攀洀攀搀椀攀猀 昀漀爀 挀漀洀洀漀渀ഊailments]. Dorling Kindersly, NY, 1993. ਀䤀匀䈀一 ㄀ 㔀㘀㐀㔀㠀 ㄀㠀㜀 堀⸀ഊ ਀䜀爀椀攀瘀攀Ⰰ 䴀爀猀⸀ 䴀⸀  开䄀 䴀漀搀攀爀渀 䠀攀爀戀愀氀开 ⠀瘀漀氀 䤀䤀Ⰰ 䤀ⴀ娀 愀渀搀 椀渀搀攀砀攀猀⤀ 䐀漀瘀攀爀ഊReprint, NY 1971. Harcourt, Brace & Co., NY, 1931. ਀ഊAllison ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀愀瘀椀搀 昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀 㰀搀搀昀爀  愀琀 戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: Mon, 5 May 1997 00:12:12 -0700 (PDT) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀甀攀 ⴀ 䠀漀眀 洀甀挀栀 椀猀 琀漀漀 洀甀挀栀㼀ഊ ਀㸀匀漀 栀漀眀 洀甀挀栀 爀甀攀 椀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 昀漀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀瘀攀爀愀最攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 琀栀愀琀 甀猀攀猀 椀琀㼀ഊ>What is the largest concentration you have ever used? [This "you" is ਀㸀洀攀愀渀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 氀椀猀琀 愀琀 氀愀爀最攀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 琀漀 瀀漀椀渀琀 愀 昀椀渀最攀爀 愀琀 䐀甀欀攀 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀⸀崀ഊ> ਀㸀   䄀氀礀猀 漀昀 䘀漀砀搀愀氀攀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 洀攀愀琀戀愀氀氀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 琀栀愀琀 甀猀攀猀 愀 瀀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 洀攀愀琀 愀渀搀 愀 琀攀愀猀瀀漀漀渀 漀昀 爀甀攀⸀ഊ ਀䄀 吀愀戀愀栀愀樀愀栀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 眀椀琀栀 ㄀ 氀戀 漀昀 洀攀愀琀 愀渀搀 愀 琀愀戀氀攀猀瀀漀漀渀 漀昀 爀甀攀⸀ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀⼀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊhttp://www.best.com/~ddfr/ ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀匀甀攀 圀攀渀猀攀氀∀ 㰀猀眀攀渀猀攀氀  愀琀 戀爀愀渀搀攀最攀攀⸀氀洀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: 5 May 1997 10:01:44 -0500 ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀⠀㈀⤀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀甀攀ഊ ਀䔀瘀攀爀礀 栀攀爀戀愀氀 栀愀猀 瘀愀爀礀椀渀最 氀攀瘀攀氀猀 漀昀 挀漀洀昀漀爀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 琀漀砀椀挀椀琀礀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀ഊplants. I have one herbal that is sufficiently paranoid as to list Rosemary ਀愀猀 琀漀砀椀挀 椀渀 氀愀爀最攀 攀渀漀甀最栀 搀漀猀攀猀℀  䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 漀渀氀礀 甀渀搀攀爀猀挀漀爀攀猀 琀栀攀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀ഊhave several herbals for reference, not just one or two. Also, remember that ਀琀栀攀 搀漀猀攀猀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 愀爀攀 猀椀最渀椀昀椀挀愀渀琀氀礀 氀漀眀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀漀猀攀 甀猀攀搀ഊ"medicinally" which is what most herbals are bought for. ਀ഊIn addition, I will repeat here what I say to all newbies who want to practice ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 栀攀爀戀愀氀椀猀洀㨀ഊ ਀䤀䘀 夀伀唀 圀䄀一吀 吀伀 倀刀䄀䌀吀䤀䌀䔀 倀䔀刀䤀伀䐀 䠀䔀刀䈀䄀䰀䤀匀䴀Ⰰ 倀䰀䔀䄀匀䔀Ⰰ ⨀倀䰀䔀䄀匀䔀⨀ 䜀䔀吀 䄀 䌀伀唀倀䰀䔀 伀䘀ഊMODERN HERBALS SO YOU CAN PRACTICE SAFELY!!!! ਀ഊI am sorry, but I feel I can not stress this enough. ਀ഊI then almost always will get they "But they did it in period..." arguement. ਀匀甀爀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀 眀漀洀攀渀 瀀甀琀 戀攀氀氀愀搀漀渀渀愀 椀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 攀礀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 愀渀ഊexperiment I am not willing to try, are you? ਀ഊOther plants to be handled with care (as we seem to be discussing this) are ਀琀愀渀猀礀 愀渀搀 瀀攀渀渀礀爀漀礀愀氀⸀  䈀漀琀栀 琀栀攀猀攀 瀀氀愀渀琀猀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 搀甀爀椀渀最 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊ(there is even a dish called Tansy), but we need to be careful. I would ਀瘀攀渀琀甀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀漀砀椀挀椀琀礀 椀猀猀甀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 渀漀眀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀ഊtolerance for the alkaloids present in these plants than our predecessors did. ਀ഊLord Ras has been fortunate with the lack of side effects for him. I hope it ਀挀漀渀琀椀渀甀攀猀 猀漀 昀漀爀 栀椀洀⸀ഊ ਀䐀攀爀搀爀椀甀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: nweders at mail.utexas.edu (ND Wederstrandt) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ 㔀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㘀㨀㄀㈀㨀　㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　 ⠀䌀䐀吀⤀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Essential Oils & Rue ਀ഊConcerning Rue: According to Madeline Hill and Gwen Barclay who have ਀眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 ∀匀漀甀琀栀攀爀渀 䠀攀爀戀 䜀爀漀眀椀渀最∀ 愀渀搀 栀愀猀 洀愀渀愀最攀搀 愀渀搀 栀甀最攀 䠀攀爀戀 戀甀猀椀渀攀猀猀⸀ഊRue contains a volitile oil that can cause severe sking rashing and ਀戀氀椀猀琀攀爀椀渀最 眀栀攀渀 挀漀洀椀渀最 椀渀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀椀琀栀 猀欀椀渀⸀  吀栀攀礀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 眀攀愀爀ഊgloves when gardening around it. It is used in Roman cookery and I usually ਀猀甀戀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀 栀礀猀猀漀瀀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 愀 戀椀琀琀攀爀 栀攀爀戀 漀爀 䤀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀 愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊbitter herbs. While normally culinary herbs are safe, if you are ਀瀀爀攀最渀愀渀琀Ⰰ 愀氀眀愀礀猀 挀栀攀挀欀⸀  圀栀攀渀 䤀 眀愀猀 猀攀氀氀椀渀最 栀攀爀戀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀ഊtaught me told me that chamomile can cause negative reactions for pregnant ਀眀漀洀攀渀⸀  倀攀漀瀀氀攀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 昀漀爀最攀琀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 漀甀爀 洀攀搀椀挀椀渀攀猀 眀攀 甀猀攀 渀漀眀 愀爀攀ഊderived from herbs or have chemical compounds that are similar. Like ਀攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀 栀愀猀 猀愀椀搀 樀甀猀琀 挀栀攀挀欀 愀 戀漀漀欀 漀爀 挀愀氀氀 愀 栀攀愀氀琀栀 猀琀漀爀攀⸀ 吀愀渀猀礀 愀渀搀ഊcomfrey are another herbs that our forebears ate while we no longer expound ਀琀栀攀椀爀 甀猀攀猀 愀猀 洀甀挀栀⸀ഊ ਀䌀氀愀爀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:09:06 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀愀瘀椀搀 昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀 㰀搀搀昀爀  愀琀 戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Re: sca-flavor substitutes ਀ഊAt 11:47 PM -0700 5/9/98, Anne-Marie Rousseau wrote: ਀㸀䤀✀洀 琀漀氀搀 琀栀愀琀 爀甀攀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀 挀愀渀 戀攀 爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 渀漀渀ⴀ愀戀漀爀琀椀昀愀挀攀渀琀ഊ>mint. Never having tasted rue (I get twitchy at the potential of messing ਀㸀眀椀琀栀 栀漀爀洀漀渀愀氀 戀愀氀愀渀挀攀猀Ⰰ 最漀 昀椀最甀爀攀⤀Ⰰ 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 瘀漀甀挀栀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀⸀ 䄀渀礀漀渀攀 最漀琀 愀ഊ>patch of the stuff, is not planning on breeding anytime soon and be willing ਀㸀琀漀 最椀瘀攀 甀猀 愀 琀愀猀琀攀 琀攀猀琀㼀ഊ ਀圀攀 栀愀瘀攀 最爀漀眀渀 漀甀爀 漀眀渀 爀甀攀 愀渀搀 甀猀攀搀 椀琀 椀渀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 椀渀 猀洀愀氀氀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀椀攀猀⸀  䤀ഊhave never noticed any effect on hormone balance or anything else. It has ਀愀 戀椀琀琀攀爀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀氀礀 洀椀渀琀礀 琀愀猀琀攀⸀  䤀 猀甀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 渀攀攀搀 眀漀爀爀礀ഊabout abortifacent effects only in much larger quantities than anyone would ਀眀愀渀琀 琀漀 攀愀琀 椀琀ⴀⴀ䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 椀洀愀最椀渀攀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 氀椀欀椀渀最 戀椀琀琀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 洀甀挀栀⸀ഊ ਀䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀⼀䈀攀琀琀礀 䌀漀漀欀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:06:43 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䌀攀爀椀搀眀攀渀 㰀挀攀爀椀搀眀攀渀  愀琀 挀漀洀洀渀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: SC - Re: rue and its properties. ਀ഊsca-cooks at Ansteorra.ORG wrote: ਀ഊ> Hi all from Anne-Marie ਀㸀 爀攀㨀 爀甀攀 愀渀搀 椀琀猀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀琀椀攀猀⸀⸀⸀ഊ> does anyone out there know HOW it works? Until I know, I'm assuming that ਀㸀 愀渀礀 愀戀漀爀琀椀昀椀挀愀渀琀 栀愀猀 琀栀攀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 洀攀猀猀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 栀漀爀洀漀渀愀氀 戀愀氀愀渀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊ> as someone who relies on chemically derived estrogen levels (ie birth ਀㸀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀 瀀椀氀氀猀⤀ 䤀 愀洀 栀攀猀椀琀愀渀琀 琀漀 椀渀最攀猀琀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 洀椀最栀琀 愀昀昀攀挀琀 琀栀攀椀爀ഊ> effectivness. ਀㸀 匀愀洀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 䤀 愀瘀漀椀搀 最椀渀猀椀渀最 ⠀氀漀漀欀猀 氀椀欀攀 攀猀琀爀漀最攀渀 琀漀 猀漀洀攀 戀漀搀椀攀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀儀甀漀琀攀 昀爀漀洀 ∀琀栀攀 一攀眀 䄀最攀 䠀攀爀戀愀氀椀猀琀∀Ⰰ 愀 爀攀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 爀攀愀氀氀礀 最漀漀搀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 栀攀爀戀愀氀Ⰰഊdon't let the title scare you off. ਀∀爀甀琀愀 最爀愀瘀攀漀氀攀渀猀Ⰰ 刀甀攀Ⰰ 䠀攀爀戀 漀昀 䜀爀愀挀攀ⰀഊParts used ; aerial parts ਀䌀漀渀猀琀椀琀甀攀渀琀猀 㬀 瘀漀氀愀琀椀氀攀 漀椀氀 ⠀挀漀渀琀愀椀渀椀渀最 甀瀀 琀漀 㤀　─ 洀攀琀栀礀氀渀漀渀礀氀欀攀琀漀渀攀Ⰰഊalso limonene, cineole, etc.) several alkaloids including fagarine and ਀愀爀戀漀爀椀渀椀渀攀Ⰰ 挀漀甀洀愀爀椀渀猀 ⠀戀愀爀最愀瀀琀攀渀Ⰰ砀愀渀琀栀漀琀漀砀椀渀Ⰰ 瀀猀漀爀愀氀攀渀⤀ഊMain uses : *medical* strains and sprains. Absent periods (professional ਀甀猀攀 漀渀氀礀⤀ഊRue is a powerful remedy and low doses are the rule. It has a special ਀瀀氀愀挀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 琀爀攀愀琀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 猀琀爀愀椀渀攀搀 攀礀攀猀 愀渀搀 栀攀愀搀愀挀栀攀猀 挀愀甀猀攀搀 戀礀ഊeyestrain. It is also useful for nervous headaches and heart ਀瀀愀氀瀀椀琀愀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 愀渀椀猀瀀愀猀洀漀搀椀挀 愀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 椀琀猀 漀椀氀 愀渀搀 愀氀欀愀氀漀椀搀猀 攀砀瀀氀愀椀渀ഊits use in treating nervous indigestion and colic. The tea also expels ਀眀漀爀洀猀⸀ 䤀琀猀 愀氀欀愀氀漀椀搀猀Ⰰ 愀爀戀漀爀椀渀椀渀攀 愀渀搀 昀愀最愀爀椀渀攀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 琀栀攀 漀椀氀 愀渀搀ഊcoumarins all stimulate the uterus and because of this rue strongly ਀瀀爀漀洀漀琀攀猀 洀攀渀猀琀爀甀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ 吀栀攀 爀甀琀椀渀 猀琀爀攀渀最琀栀攀渀猀 昀爀愀最椀氀攀 戀氀漀漀搀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀猀 愀渀搀ഊvaricose veins. An ointment containing rue is good for gouty, rheumatic ਀瀀愀椀渀猀 愀渀搀 昀漀爀 猀瀀爀愀椀渀攀搀 漀爀 戀爀甀椀猀攀搀 琀攀渀搀漀渀猀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 挀栀椀氀氀戀氀愀椀渀猀⸀ 䤀渀ഊChinese medicine rue is specific for snake and insect bites. ਀䌀愀甀琀椀漀渀 㨀 一漀琀 琀漀 戀攀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 瀀爀攀最渀愀渀挀礀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀甀洀愀爀椀渀猀 洀愀礀 挀愀甀猀攀ഊphotosensitivity and skin contact can cause a rash. Large doses may be ਀瀀漀椀猀漀渀漀甀猀⸀∀ഊ ਀䠀漀瀀攀 琀栀椀猀 栀攀氀瀀猀⸀⸀⸀ 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 洀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 渀漀 栀漀爀洀漀渀愀氀 攀昀昀攀挀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀ഊmuscular. I will not use this herb internally unless prescribed by a ਀氀椀挀攀渀猀攀搀 栀漀洀攀漀瀀愀琀栀椀挀 瀀栀礀猀椀挀椀愀渀⸀ 䔀砀琀攀爀渀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 最爀攀愀琀 昀漀爀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀ഊbruises and strains (infused in an oil base) ਀䌀攀爀椀搀眀攀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:05:47 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀攀爀洀愀礀搀攀  愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀渀攀 䄀 匀攀攀氀礀攀ⴀ䬀椀渀最⤀ഊSubject: SC - Rue ਀ഊWell, I was out in the garden today, and I went over and tasted the Rue. ਀䘀椀爀猀琀Ⰰ 䤀 戀爀漀欀攀 漀昀昀 猀漀洀攀 渀攀眀 最爀漀眀琀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 椀琀⸀ 䈀椀琀琀攀爀⸀  吀漀漀 戀椀琀琀攀爀ഊto keep chewing on, but if I just sucked on it a little, it was ok. It ਀搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 琀愀猀琀攀 洀甀挀栀 氀椀欀攀 洀椀渀琀 愀琀 愀氀氀Ⰰ 渀漀 洀攀渀琀栀漀氀 昀攀攀氀椀渀最⸀  䤀琀 栀愀猀 洀漀爀攀 漀昀ഊa licorice taste to it, or maybe horehound (I kept remembering some kind ਀漀昀 漀氀搀ⴀ昀愀猀栀椀漀渀攀搀 挀愀渀搀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 挀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 瀀甀琀 洀礀 昀椀渀最攀爀 漀渀 椀琀⤀⸀  䄀昀琀攀爀 愀戀漀甀琀ഊ3 minutes of standing there trying to picture the flavor in my mind, my ਀琀漀甀渀最攀Ⰰ 氀椀瀀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀漀漀昀 漀昀 洀礀 洀漀甀琀栀 眀攀渀琀 渀甀洀戀⸀  䤀 焀甀椀琀 琀栀攀渀⸀  匀攀瘀攀爀愀氀ഊhours later, I can still feel that a little bit (not numbness really, ਀樀甀猀琀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 愀渀 愀昀琀攀爀ⴀ攀昀昀攀挀琀⤀ഊ Interesting. I would imagine a little would go a long way in a recipie, ਀愀渀搀 挀愀渀 猀攀攀 眀栀攀爀攀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 愀搀搀 愀渀搀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 昀氀愀瘀漀爀 椀渀 愀 搀椀氀甀琀攀搀 昀漀爀洀⸀ഊ ਀䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀愀渀渀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:04:24 +1000 (EST) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䌀栀愀爀氀攀猀 䴀挀䌀愀琀栀椀攀一攀瘀椀氀攀 㰀挀栀愀爀氀攀猀渀  愀琀 猀甀渀爀椀猀攀⸀猀爀氀⸀爀洀椀琀⸀攀搀甀⸀愀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Rue ਀ഊI have had a mead flavoured with rue to make it bitter - fantastic! ਀⠀䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 昀攀愀琀栀攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀瀀 漀昀 匀琀攀瀀栀攀渀 一椀挀漀氀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 栀愀猀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀ഊcover a peacock already ;) ਀ഊCharles Ragnar ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㈀㔀 䴀愀礀 ㈀　　㌀ ㄀㜀㨀㈀㐀㨀㐀㤀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 氀椀氀椀渀愀栀  愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Lovage and Rue ਀ഊSoffya Appollonia Tudja sent a bunch of links and a warning that rue ਀椀猀 瀀漀椀猀漀渀漀甀猀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 琀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀爀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 氀椀渀欀猀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀 匀礀爀椀愀渀⼀䄀昀爀椀挀愀渀 刀甀攀⸀ഊIt does sound hazardous. ਀㸀  栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀挀愀挀椀愀氀愀渀搀⸀挀漀洀⼀猀礀爀椀愀渀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ> http://www.oda.state.or.us/plant/weed_control/alerts/AfricanRue.html ਀㸀  栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀搀攀漀砀礀⸀漀爀最⼀最稀开椀渀搀漀⸀栀琀洀ഊ ਀䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀 椀琀 椀猀 倀攀最愀渀甀洀 栀愀爀洀愀氀愀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀猀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀搀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 挀甀椀猀椀渀攀Ⰰഊwhich is Ruta graveolens. ਀ഊ> http://www.ontariowildflower.com/lakeedge.htm ਀吀栀椀猀 瀀愀最攀 礀漀甀 猀攀渀琀 栀愀猀 氀椀渀欀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 䴀攀愀搀漀眀 爀甀攀Ⰰ 琀愀氀氀 ⠀吀栀愀氀椀挀琀爀甀洀ഊpolygamum) again the kind not used in cuisine. ਀ഊI am looking for Ruta graveolens, which as far as i can tell, while ਀戀椀琀琀攀爀Ⰰ 眀椀氀氀 渀漀琀 挀愀甀猀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 琀漀 栀愀氀氀甀挀椀渀愀琀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 愀瀀瀀爀攀挀椀愀琀攀 礀漀甀爀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀⸀ 䤀✀瘀攀 渀漀 眀椀猀栀 琀漀 栀愀爀洀 洀礀 搀椀渀攀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀 欀渀漀眀ഊthat many people think, for some reason, that if it's "natural", some ਀栀漀眀 椀琀✀猀 ∀猀愀昀攀∀⸀ 䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 椀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀 眀漀爀氀搀 栀愀爀戀漀爀猀ഊhidden and often well-known dangers. ਀ഊRuta graveolens can also pose some problems, so i'm researching it. ਀ഊAnahita ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䴀愀礀 ㈀　　㌀ ㈀㈀㨀㔀㤀㨀㐀㄀ ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀  愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Lovage and Rue ਀ഊ ਀ഊ> Rue ਀㸀ഊ> Many of the Roman recipe i'm looking at call for rue as a green herb. ਀㸀 䤀 搀漀甀戀琀 椀 挀愀渀 昀椀渀搀 愀渀礀⸀ 䈀甀琀 椀昀 椀 搀漀Ⰰ 椀 愀洀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀ഊ> possibilities of contact dermatitis, which rue can cause. ਀㸀 䠀愀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 甀猀攀搀 昀爀攀猀栀 爀甀攀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀㼀 䌀愀渀 礀漀甀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀 琀栀攀ഊ> taste? Suggest a substitute? ਀ഊRue tastes green and bitter... the big part of the sensation is the ਀猀洀攀氀氀ഊof fresh rue, though that fades over time. There may well be asian herbs ਀琀栀愀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀猀琀攀愀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 昀愀洀椀氀椀愀爀 攀渀漀甀最栀 眀椀琀栀 愀猀椀愀渀 栀攀爀戀猀ഊto help. ਀ഊContact dermititis with Rue is one of those things that a small portion ਀漀昀ഊthe population have. If you will be serving the rue in a cooked dish, ਀琀栀攀渀ഊI would find someone who has a bush of rue (anyone who has such a bush ਀眀椀氀氀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 栀愀瘀攀 瀀氀攀渀琀礀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 愀眀愀礀ⴀⴀ 愀渀搀 愀 栀攀氀瀀攀爀 琀漀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀攀 琀栀攀  ഊdish ਀眀栀漀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 搀攀爀洀愀琀椀琀椀猀 爀攀愀挀琀椀漀渀⸀ 吀栀攀渀 氀愀戀攀氀 椀琀  ഊ'Contains ਀爀甀攀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀攀搀 昀漀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 瀀爀攀最最攀爀猀 漀爀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 最攀琀 瀀爀攀最渀愀渀琀✀ 愀渀搀ഊleave it at that. ਀ഊ-- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa jenne at fiedlerfamily.net ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㠀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㘀 　㄀㨀㈀㈀㨀㔀㜀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Robin Carroll-Mann ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 洀漀爀攀琀甀洀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊCarole Smith wrote: ਀吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 渀漀 眀愀礀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 甀猀攀 爀甀攀 昀漀爀 愀渀礀 瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀⸀  䤀琀 戀氀椀猀琀攀爀猀 洀礀 昀椀渀最攀爀猀Ⰰ 猀漀 椀琀✀猀 渀攀瘀攀爀 最漀琀琀攀渀 挀氀漀猀攀 琀漀 洀礀 洀漀甀琀栀⸀ഊ ਀ 䌀漀爀搀攀氀椀愀 吀猀漀攀爀ഊ ਀䤀 最爀漀眀 椀琀 昀漀爀 椀琀猀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 昀漀氀椀愀最攀 愀渀搀 昀氀漀眀攀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 挀爀椀琀琀攀爀猀 眀漀渀✀琀 攀愀琀 椀琀⸀  䤀 琀愀猀琀攀搀 椀琀 漀渀挀攀Ⰰ 漀甀琀 漀昀 挀甀爀椀漀猀椀琀礀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 戀椀琀琀攀爀⸀  䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 椀洀愀最椀渀攀 琀爀礀椀渀最 椀琀 椀渀 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 搀椀猀栀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 琀漀 猀攀攀 栀漀眀 椀琀 愀昀昀攀挀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 挀漀漀欀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀 椀昀 䤀 眀攀爀攀 昀攀攀搀椀渀最 漀琀栀攀爀猀⸀ഊ-- ਀䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 渀椀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀椀渀ഊBarony of Settmour Swamp, East Kingdom ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㠀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀㘀㨀㐀㐀㨀㈀㌀ ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: lilinah at earthlink.net ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 洀漀爀攀琀甀洀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀ഊWhile contact dermatitis from rue, as Cordelia gets, is not typical ਀漀昀 愀氀氀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀攀氀礀 愀 欀渀漀眀渀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀渀琀⸀ 椀昀 ഊthe rue is cooked, however, it usually no longer causes this problem. ਀ഊOn the other hand, if i had that kind of reaction, i'd be hesitant to ਀攀愀琀 爀甀攀⸀ 䤀琀 爀攀挀愀氀氀猀 琀漀 洀礀 洀椀渀搀 愀渀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀 昀爀椀攀渀搀猀 漀昀 洀椀渀攀Ⰰ ഊback in the late 60s or early 70s: ਀ഊThey'd heard that if one drank a tea made of poison ivy, it could ਀洀愀欀攀 漀渀攀 爀攀猀椀猀琀愀渀琀 琀漀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 搀攀爀洀愀琀椀琀椀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 爀愀猀栀Ⰰ ഊfrom it for the season. So the couple made tea of the leaves and ਀搀爀愀渀欀 椀琀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 琀爀甀攀 琀栀愀琀 一愀琀椀瘀攀 䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀渀猀 搀椀搀 琀栀椀猀 ⴀ 甀猀椀渀最 琀栀攀 瘀攀爀礀 ഊyoung shoots. My friends, however, used mature leaves. Nothing like ਀挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 搀攀爀洀愀琀椀琀椀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 椀渀猀椀搀攀 愀渀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 攀瘀攀爀礀 漀爀椀昀椀挀攀⸀⸀⸀ഊ-- ਀唀爀琀愀琀椀洀 ⠀琀栀愀琀✀猀 攀爀爀ⴀ琀愀栀ⴀ吀䔀䔀䴀⤀ഊthe persona formerly known as Anahita ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㐀 一漀瘀 ㈀　　㠀 　㤀㨀㐀㌀㨀㌀　 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Gaylin Walli" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 儀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 爀甀攀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊOn Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Elaine Koogler wrote: ਀㰀㰀㰀 伀䬀⸀⸀⸀䤀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 爀甀攀 椀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 渀漀琀 愀 最漀漀搀 琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 甀猀攀 椀渀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最Ⰰഊthat it can have some unfortunate side effects. Am I correct in this? If ਀猀漀Ⰰ 搀漀攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 椀搀攀愀 眀栀愀琀 琀漀 搀漀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀氀氀 琀栀漀猀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀ഊAnonymous Andalusian Cookbook that call for the herb? I'm contemplating ਀甀猀椀渀最 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 䄀渀搀愀氀甀猀椀愀渀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀漀爀 洀礀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀 昀攀愀猀琀 椀渀ഊFebruary, but worry about all of that rue! I don't want to "rue" my ਀挀栀漀椀挀攀猀⸀⸀⸀渀漀爀 昀漀爀 洀礀 搀椀渀攀爀猀 琀漀 搀漀 猀漀℀  㬀ⴀ⤀ ഊ ਀䬀椀爀椀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䤀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 瀀漀猀琀攀搀 愀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䄀瀀椀挀椀甀猀 氀椀猀琀 愀渀搀 䤀✀氀氀 爀攀瀀漀猀琀 椀琀ഊhere for you. I wrote: ਀ഊRe:logical substitutions?? ਀ഊOthers have spoken on the celery and pumpkin substitutions, but no one ਀礀攀琀 栀愀猀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 爀甀攀 椀猀猀甀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊsubstitutions. Growing rue is ridiculously easy if you have the garden ਀猀瀀愀挀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀 焀甀椀挀欀 最漀漀最氀攀 猀攀愀爀挀栀 眀椀氀氀 渀攀琀 礀漀甀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊpossibility of contact dermatitis when the plant is handled (luckily I ਀搀漀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀椀猀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 愀琀 愀氀氀⤀⸀ 吀栀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 洀漀猀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀ഊit in recreation recipes is not the dermatitis issue, but the ਀瀀漀猀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 刀甀攀 愀挀琀椀渀最 愀猀 愀渀 愀戀漀爀琀椀昀椀挀愀渀琀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 琀漀ഊsuggest that pregnant women or women trying to get pregnant should ਀愀瘀漀椀搀 琀栀椀猀 瀀氀愀渀琀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 戀攀攀渀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀 甀猀攀 椀琀 椀渀 洀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀ഊtesting, so I can get a decent idea of the taste. My personal opinion ਀椀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 漀昀 爀愀搀椀猀栀攀猀 眀漀爀欀猀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 最椀瘀攀 琀栀攀 栀攀爀戀愀氀氀礀ഊgreen taste and the bitterness you're seeking. Rosemary or even celery ਀⠀眀栀椀挀栀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀愀瘀攀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀猀琀⤀ 搀漀渀✀琀 攀瘀攀渀 挀漀洀攀 挀氀漀猀攀 琀漀ഊmatching the taste of rue like radish greens do. Just remember to wash ਀琀栀攀洀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀氀礀⸀ 䤀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀 琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 椀琀 愀猀 愀 戀漀渀甀猀⸀ 䴀漀猀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 琀漀猀猀ഊtheir radish greens without using them. This is the perfect way to use ਀攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最℀ഊ ਀䤀愀猀洀椀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:42:32 -0800 (GMT-08:00) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 氀椀氀椀渀愀栀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Question about rue.... ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䬀椀爀椀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<<< OK...I understand that rue is probably not a good thing to use in cooking, ਀琀栀愀琀 椀琀 挀愀渀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 甀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀 猀椀搀攀 攀昀昀攀挀琀猀⸀  䄀洀 䤀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀㼀  䤀昀ഊso, does anyone have any idea what to do about all those recipes from the ਀䄀渀漀渀礀洀漀甀猀 䄀渀搀愀氀甀猀椀愀渀 䌀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀氀氀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 栀攀爀戀㼀  䤀✀洀 挀漀渀琀攀洀瀀氀愀琀椀渀最ഊusing a number of Andalusian recipes for my Middle Eastern feast in ਀䘀攀戀爀甀愀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀漀爀爀礀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 爀甀攀℀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 ∀爀甀攀∀ ഊmy choices...nor for my diners to do so! ;-) >>> ਀ഊMy understanding is that the amount one would use to season a dish is unlikely to cause a miscarriage. A pregnant woman would need to ingest either an awful lot of rue herb, or rue herb brewed into a tea, or an extract or oil, for rue to function as an abortifacient. ਀ഊFor example, the suggested dose to make an abortifacient tea is 1 to 3 tsp. rue herb per cup, and to drink one cup 3 to 4 times daily. "Boil the water first then pour the boiled water over the dried herb. Do not boil the herb in water, as this destroys the herb's properties." The source did not mention how many days one would have to continue this for the desired effect. But is sounds like one day may or may not be enough. ਀ഊAs long as your diners do not each consume 3 to 12 tsp. per person, i suspect that using rue in one dish will not be problematic. Additionally, you could suggest that pregnant women who want to keep their babies do not eat that particular dish. ਀ഊIn my search i found that *sage*, which we do not fear to eat, is also considered a known herbal abortifacient. And according to a paper from Sloan-Kettering, "Small quantities of safrole, which has been shown to be both a hepatotoxin and hepatocarcinogen [hepato- refers to the liver] in laboratory animals, have been found in nutmeg, anise, mace and cinnamon." So these spices, which i suspect most of us accept as safe as a flavoring, can also be potentially hazardous... if used in large quantities. ਀ഊI'm surprised that there is so much concern about using rue and no concern about using other herbs and spices. I can only guess that because we do not generally use rue any more, we look it up, but we don't look up the possible medicinal uses and side effects of herbs and spcies we commonly use. ਀ⴀⴀഊUrtatim (that's urr-tah-TEEM) ਀琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀 昀漀爀洀攀爀氀礀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀猀 䄀渀愀栀椀琀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:21:34 -0600 (CST) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 樀攀渀渀攀 愀琀 昀椀攀搀氀攀爀昀愀洀椀氀礀⸀渀攀琀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Question about rue.... ਀吀漀㨀 氀椀氀椀渀愀栀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀Ⰰऀ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ഊ ਀ഊ<<< In my search i found that *sage*, which we do not fear to eat, is also ਀挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 愀 欀渀漀眀渀 栀攀爀戀愀氀 愀戀漀爀琀椀昀愀挀椀攀渀琀⸀ 䄀渀搀 愀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 愀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 昀爀漀洀ഊSloan-Kettering, "Small quantities of safrole, which has been shown to be ਀戀漀琀栀 愀 栀攀瀀愀琀漀琀漀砀椀渀 愀渀搀 栀攀瀀愀琀漀挀愀爀挀椀渀漀最攀渀 嬀栀攀瀀愀琀漀ⴀ 爀攀昀攀爀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 氀椀瘀攀爀崀 椀渀ഊlaboratory animals, have been found in nutmeg, anise, mace and cinnamon." ਀匀漀 琀栀攀猀攀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀 猀甀猀瀀攀挀琀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 甀猀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀 愀猀 猀愀昀攀 愀猀 愀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀椀渀最Ⰰഊcan also be potentially hazardous... if used in large quantities. ਀ഊI'm surprised that there is so much concern about using rue and no concern ਀愀戀漀甀琀 甀猀椀渀最 漀琀栀攀爀 栀攀爀戀猀 愀渀搀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀⸀ 䤀 挀愀渀 漀渀氀礀 最甀攀猀猀 琀栀愀琀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 眀攀 搀漀ഊnot generally use rue any more, we look it up, but we don't look up the ਀瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 洀攀搀椀挀椀渀愀氀 甀猀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀椀搀攀 攀昀昀攀挀琀猀 漀昀 栀攀爀戀猀 愀渀搀 猀瀀挀椀攀猀 眀攀 挀漀洀洀漀渀氀礀ഊuse. >>> ਀ഊActually, one major issue is that oil of rue is in fact a known and ਀搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀 ㄀㤀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 愀戀漀爀琀椀昀愀挀攀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀漀爀欀攀搀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀ഊoil of sage, though considered dangerous due to high levels of thujone, ਀搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 愀猀 愀渀 愀戀漀爀琀椀昀愀挀攀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀⠀䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 搀漀挀琀漀爀猀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 猀愀最攀 琀漀 戀攀 戀攀渀攀昀椀挀椀愀氀 琀漀 洀愀椀渀琀愀椀渀椀渀最ഊa pregnancy.) ਀ⴀⴀ ഊ-- Jenne Heise / Jadwiga Zajaczkowa ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㐀 一漀瘀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㌀㨀㐀㐀㨀　㠀 ⴀ　㠀　　 ⠀䜀䴀吀ⴀ　㠀㨀　　⤀ഊFrom: lilinah at earthlink.net ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 儀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 爀甀攀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊTo: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org ਀ഊJadwiga wrote: ਀䄀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 洀愀樀漀爀 椀猀猀甀攀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 漀椀氀 漀昀 爀甀攀 椀猀 椀渀 昀愀挀琀 愀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀渀搀ഊdocumented 19th century abortifacent that appears to have worked, where ਀漀椀氀 漀昀 猀愀最攀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 搀愀渀最攀爀漀甀猀 搀甀攀 琀漀 栀椀最栀 氀攀瘀攀氀猀 漀昀 琀栀甀樀漀渀攀Ⰰഊdoesn't have the documented history as an abortifacent. ਀ഊ(Also, some period doctors considered sage to be beneficial to maintaining ਀愀 瀀爀攀最渀愀渀挀礀⸀⤀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䤀 挀愀渀 漀渀氀礀 爀攀瀀漀爀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 猀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 猀愀最攀 眀愀猀 愀 ∀欀渀漀眀渀 愀戀漀爀琀椀昀愀挀椀攀渀琀∀⸀ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀攀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀 搀漀猀攀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 椀 琀栀椀渀欀 椀琀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀栀愀琀 匀䌀䄀 挀漀漀欀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 瀀氀愀渀渀椀渀最 琀漀 甀猀攀 漀椀氀 漀昀 爀甀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 搀椀猀栀攀猀Ⰰ 漀渀氀礀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 爀甀攀 栀攀爀戀⸀ 䄀猀 昀愀爀 愀猀 椀 挀愀渀 琀攀氀氀Ⰰ 愀 瀀爀攀最渀愀渀琀 眀漀洀愀渀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 椀渀最攀猀琀 漀椀氀 漀昀 爀甀攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 栀椀最栀氀礀 挀漀渀挀攀渀琀爀愀琀攀搀Ⰰ 漀爀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 氀愀爀最攀 搀漀猀攀 漀昀 爀甀攀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 漀爀 琀攀愀 戀爀攀眀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 愀 昀愀爀 最爀攀愀琀攀爀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀礀 琀栀愀渀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 漀渀攀 漀爀 琀眀漀 搀椀猀栀攀猀⸀ 䤀 欀渀漀眀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀搀 椀渀 刀漀洀愀渀 爀攀ⴀ挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 甀猀攀 爀甀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 䄀瀀椀挀椀愀渀 搀椀猀栀攀猀⸀ 䤀渀 昀愀挀琀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 猀攀渀琀 洀攀 猀漀洀攀 搀爀椀攀搀 爀甀攀 猀漀 椀 挀漀甀氀搀 琀愀猀琀攀 椀琀 ⠀椀 氀椀瘀攀 椀渀 愀渀 甀爀戀愀渀 愀瀀愀爀琀洀攀渀琀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀 搀攀挀欀 漀爀 戀愀氀挀漀渀礀 琀漀 最爀漀眀 戀甀猀栀礀 瀀氀愀渀琀猀⤀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 爀攀瀀漀爀琀 渀漀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 ⨀猀漀 昀愀爀⨀⸀ഊ ਀伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 椀 愀洀 渀漀琀 愀 搀漀挀琀漀爀Ⰰ 渀漀爀 搀漀 椀 瀀氀愀礀 漀渀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀⸀ 䈀甀琀 椀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 猀琀爀漀渀最 昀攀攀氀椀渀最 戀愀猀攀搀 漀渀 洀礀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 愀渀搀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 漀瘀攀爀爀攀愀挀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀愀氀 甀猀攀 漀昀 爀甀攀⸀ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 渀攀瘀攀爀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 甀猀椀渀最 椀琀 椀渀 攀瘀攀爀礀 搀椀猀栀 椀渀 愀 昀攀愀猀琀⸀ 䤀渀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀猀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 琀栀攀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 爀攀愀挀栀椀渀最 愀 瀀漀琀攀渀琀椀愀氀氀礀 搀愀渀最攀爀漀甀猀 搀漀猀攀 昀漀爀 瀀爀攀最渀愀渀琀 眀漀洀攀渀⸀ 䈀甀琀 最椀瘀攀渀 爀甀攀✀猀 猀琀爀漀渀最 戀椀琀琀攀爀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 漀甀琀猀椀搀攀 漀昀 刀漀洀愀渀 挀甀椀猀椀渀攀 椀琀 椀猀 漀渀氀礀 椀渀昀爀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀 甀猀攀搀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 椀渀 愀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 䄀爀愀戀椀挀ⴀ氀愀渀最甀愀最攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 椀 眀漀甀氀搀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀猀 爀愀爀攀 甀猀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 瀀漀猀攀 愀 最攀渀甀椀渀攀 栀攀愀氀琀栀 栀愀稀愀爀搀Ⰰ 甀渀氀攀猀猀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 猀攀渀猀椀琀椀瘀攀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 愀猀 猀漀洀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 猀攀渀猀椀琀椀瘀攀 琀漀 挀氀漀瘀攀猀 漀爀 挀甀洀椀渀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 挀愀渀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 眀愀渀琀椀渀最 琀漀 甀猀攀 挀愀甀琀椀漀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀⸀ 䈀甀琀 愀猀 昀愀爀 愀猀 椀 挀愀渀 琀攀氀氀Ⰰ 眀攀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀氀礀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀椀渀最 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀猀 眀攀 甀猀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 愀氀猀漀 愀爀攀 瀀漀琀攀渀琀椀愀氀 栀攀愀氀琀栀 爀椀猀欀猀 眀栀攀渀 甀猀攀搀 ⨀椀渀 氀愀爀最攀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀椀攀猀⨀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 甀猀椀渀最Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 愀猀 眀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 甀猀攀 氀愀爀最攀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀椀攀猀 漀昀 爀甀攀⸀ഊ ਀䄀猀 愀 猀椀搀攀 渀漀琀攀Ⰰ 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 搀攀爀洀愀琀椀琀椀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀 甀渀椀瘀攀爀猀愀氀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 椀✀洀 渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀 眀栀愀琀 瀀攀爀挀攀渀琀愀最攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀琀椀漀渀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀搀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀礀 ⠀洀漀爀攀 搀漀 渀漀琀 琀栀愀渀 搀漀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀洀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 栀愀渀搀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 昀爀攀猀栀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀⸀ 伀渀挀攀 挀漀漀欀攀搀Ⰰ 爀甀攀 渀漀 氀漀渀最攀爀 栀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 攀昀昀攀挀琀⸀ഊ-- ਀唀爀琀愀琀椀洀 ⠀琀栀愀琀✀猀 甀爀爀ⴀ琀愀栀ⴀ吀䔀䔀䴀⤀ഊthe persona formerly known as Anahita ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㤀 ㄀㘀㨀　㠀㨀　㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: Gretchen Beck ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 䐀椀最攀猀琀Ⰰ 嘀漀氀 ㌀㌀Ⰰ 䤀猀猀甀攀 㔀㔀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊ--On Friday, January 23, 2009 3:27 PM -0500 Gaylin Walli ਀㰀最愀礀氀椀渀眀愀氀氀椀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<<< Rosemary or even celery ਀⠀眀栀椀挀栀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀愀瘀攀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀猀琀⤀ 搀漀渀✀琀 攀瘀攀渀 挀漀洀攀 挀氀漀猀攀 琀漀ഊmatching the taste of rue like radish greens do. Just remember to wash ਀琀栀攀洀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀氀礀⸀ 䤀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀 琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 椀琀 愀猀 愀 戀漀渀甀猀⸀ 䴀漀猀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 琀漀猀猀ഊtheir radish greens without using them. This is the perfect way to use ਀攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最℀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀刀愀搀椀猀栀 最爀攀攀渀猀 ⴀⴀ 猀瀀椀挀礀 愀渀搀 礀甀洀洀礀⸀ 䄀猀 愀 琀攀攀渀Ⰰ 洀礀 洀漀洀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 挀漀漀欀 琀栀攀猀攀 樀甀猀琀ഊlike mustard greens (right out of the garden). Make sure to chop very fine, ਀琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 愀猀 琀栀攀猀攀 猀甀挀欀攀爀猀 愀爀攀 琀漀甀最栀⸀ഊ ਀琀漀漀搀氀攀猀Ⰰ 洀愀爀最愀爀攀琀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:48:48 -0800 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䰀愀甀爀攀攀渀 䠀愀爀琀∀ 㰀氀栀愀爀琀 愀琀 最爀愀礀挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] Rue ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 爀甀攀 椀猀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀 渀愀猀琀礀 愀渀搀 戀椀琀琀攀爀 ⠀愀渀搀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 爀攀搀攀攀洀椀渀最ഊculinary value, yuk). ਀ഊI don't think the amount you put in a recipe poses a health hazard to ਀愀渀礀漀渀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 猀愀昀攀 琀栀愀渀 猀漀爀爀礀 挀愀渀✀琀 栀甀爀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 愀最爀攀攀 琀栀愀琀 挀攀氀攀爀礀 漀爀 爀漀猀攀洀愀爀礀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 戀椀琀琀攀爀 攀渀漀甀最栀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀攀氀攀爀礀 昀愀洀椀氀礀 挀愀渀ഊbe bitter but they add that particularly celery note. I don't think Radish leaves are either. I think of them as being more peppery, not bitter. Feverfew is closer to the bitter nature of rue, but not quite as nasty. ਀ഊRandell Raye ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㤀 ㄀㄀㨀㄀㈀㨀㈀㤀 ⴀ　㠀　　ഊFrom: David Walddon ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 刀甀攀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊI think the radish leaf idea is interesting. ਀䤀 搀漀 昀椀渀搀 爀甀攀 琀漀 戀攀 戀椀琀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀眀栀愀琀 猀漀甀爀 戀甀琀 一伀吀 渀愀猀琀礀⸀ഊThen of course my two favorite flavor components are bitter and sour! ਀圀栀攀渀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 瀀氀愀礀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 䄀瀀椀挀椀甀猀 琀栀攀 爀甀攀 椀猀猀甀攀 眀愀猀 栀甀最攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀栀愀琀  ഊother cuisines call for it in any quantity? ਀ഊEduardo ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㤀 ㄀㔀㨀㌀㤀㨀㈀㠀 ⴀ　㔀　　 ⠀䔀匀吀⤀ഊFrom: lilinah at earthlink.net ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 刀甀攀ഊTo: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org ਀ഊEduardo wrote: ਀㰀㰀㰀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 爀愀搀椀猀栀 氀攀愀昀 椀搀攀愀 椀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最⸀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 攀愀琀椀渀最 椀琀 猀愀甀琀攀攀搀 椀渀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 猀椀渀挀攀 椀 氀椀瘀攀搀 椀渀 匀漀甀琀栀攀爀渀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀 椀渀 ㄀㤀㜀㌀⸀ 䤀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 琀愀猀琀攀⸀ 䈀甀琀 椀 愀氀猀漀 氀椀欀攀 礀漀甀渀最 搀愀渀搀攀氀椀漀渀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 ⠀琀愀氀欀 愀戀漀甀琀 戀椀琀琀攀爀 㨀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀㰀㰀㰀 䤀 搀漀 昀椀渀搀 爀甀攀 琀漀 戀攀 戀椀琀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀眀栀愀琀 猀漀甀爀 戀甀琀 一伀吀 渀愀猀琀礀⸀ഊThen of course my two favorite flavor components are bitter and sour! ਀圀栀攀渀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 瀀氀愀礀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 䄀瀀椀挀椀甀猀 琀栀攀 爀甀攀 椀猀猀甀攀 眀愀猀 栀甀最攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀栀愀琀  ഊother cuisines call for it in any quantity? >>> ਀ഊRue appears in 21 per cent of savory recipes in the 13th century so-called Anonymous Andalusian cookbook: ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀栀漀洀攀⸀攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀⼀縀愀氀ⴀ琀愀戀戀愀欀栀愀栀⼀䴀椀猀挀开䴀䔀开䘀漀漀搀⼀匀瀀椀挀攀戀漀砀䄀渀搀愀氀甀猀椀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 漀昀琀攀渀 爀甀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 椀渀 ∀䘀愀搀愀氀愀琀 愀氀ⴀ䨀椀眀愀渀 昀椀 吀愀礀礀椀戀愀琀 愀氀ⴀ琀✀愀洀 眀愀✀氀ⴀ愀氀眀愀渀∀ ⠀䠀椀最栀氀椀最栀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀愀戀氀攀Ⰰ 漀渀 搀椀猀栀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀琀攀眀猀⤀Ⰰ 戀礀 䄀戀甀✀氀ⴀ䠀愀猀愀渀 䄀氀椀 椀戀渀 䴀甀栀愀洀洀愀搀 椀戀渀 䄀戀椀✀氀ⴀ儀愀猀椀洀 椀戀渀 䴀甀栀愀洀洀愀搀 椀戀渀 䄀戀椀 䈀愀欀爀 椀戀渀 愀氀ⴀ䄀渀搀愀氀甀猀椀 刀愀稀椀渀 愀氀ⴀ吀甀樀椀戀椀ഊfrom Murcia between 1228 and 1243. His is sometimes shortened "al-Razin" or "al-Tujibi" (written in Spanish as al-Tugibi, but pronounced the same as in English). His book has not yet been translated in its entirety into English, although we've translated a few from Spanish of Fernando de la Granja Santamaria to English on this list - always problematic to translate without referring to the original. There is a somewhat larger number of recipes from that work in "Medieval Cuisine of the Islamic World" by Lilia Zaouali. She includes some of the recipes that were translated by Granja Santamaria and there are some distinct differences from Suey's translations. ਀ഊRue does not appear in al-Baghdadi's 13th century cookbook, however: ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀栀漀洀攀⸀攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀⼀縀愀氀ⴀ琀愀戀戀愀欀栀愀栀⼀䴀椀猀挀开䴀䔀开䘀漀漀搀⼀匀瀀椀挀攀戀漀砀䈀愀最栀搀愀搀椀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀䤀琀 洀愀礀 戀攀 琀栀愀琀 爀甀攀 椀猀 愀 洀漀爀攀 ∀䴀攀搀椀琀攀爀爀愀渀攀愀渀∀ 栀攀爀戀Ⰰ 漀爀 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 椀琀猀 甀猀攀 椀猀 愀 刀漀洀愀渀 栀漀氀搀漀瘀攀爀⸀ 䤀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 愀氀猀漀 氀漀漀欀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 洀礀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䴀甀猀氀椀洀 瀀栀愀爀洀愀挀漀瀀漀攀椀愀 ⠀愀氀ⴀ䬀椀渀搀椀Ⰰ 愀氀ⴀ匀愀洀愀爀焀愀渀搀椀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀⤀ 愀渀搀 猀攀攀 椀昀 爀甀攀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀搀 椀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀 礀攀琀 搀漀渀攀 愀 猀攀愀猀漀渀椀渀最 挀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀愀猀猀椀瘀攀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 㤀琀栀 愀渀搀 ㄀　琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 椀渀 䤀戀渀 匀愀礀礀甀爀 愀氀ⴀ圀愀爀爀愀焀✀猀 挀漀洀瀀攀渀搀椀甀洀⸀ 䤀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 猀琀愀爀琀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 琀漀漀⸀ഊ-- ਀唀爀琀愀琀椀洀 ⠀琀栀愀琀✀猀 甀爀爀ⴀ琀愀栀ⴀ吀䔀䔀䴀⤀ഊthe persona formerly known as Anahita ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㤀 ㄀㈀㨀㐀㠀㨀㐀　 ⴀ　㠀　　ഊFrom: David Walddon ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 刀甀攀ഊTo: lilinah at earthlink.net, Cooks within the SCA ਀ऀ㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䤀琀 琀漀琀愀氀氀礀 搀椀猀愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 椀渀 䴀愀爀琀椀渀漀⸀ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 伀挀琀愀瘀漀 搀椀猀欀  ഊhandy or would do a search. ਀ഊA while back there was some discussion on translation issues of RUE ਀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䰀愀琀椀渀⸀ഊDoes anyone remember this thread? ਀ഊ21% is a fairly significant ingredient. ਀ഊEduardo ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ爀甀攀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 ㄀㜀 漀昀 ㄀㜀ഊ ਊ