garlic-msg - 11/7/10 Medieval use of garlic. Storing garlic. Recipes. NOTE: See also the files: mustard-msg, spices-msg, capers-msg, herbs-msg, herbs-cooking-msg, seeds-msg, ovens-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ I would encourage all cooks to remember the wise words of Ruperto de Nola: "And there are also many who grease it with garlic and oil. But each one cooks it according to his appetite. Because there are many lords who do not eat garlic and oil, and others who do eat it." -- Brighid ni Chiarain From: g_duperault at venus.twu.edu Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: re:feast formats Date: 8 Nov 93 11:24:46 +600 Organization: Texas Woman's University Good gentles, Someone asked about baked garlic as an appetizer. The recipe is simple. Take the biggest head of garlic you can get and bake it at about 325 until it's done. (About an hour). Serve as is. The guests peel off a clove and squeeze out the soft paste onto bread or crackers, or whatever. (From Jeff Smith's _The Frugal Gourmet_) In my experience the garlic has been rather hot to handle straight out of the oven, rather sticky to squeeze onto bread, and does not reheat or keep for leftovers --it gets dry. But real yummy! FYI Jeff Smith's _The Frugal Gourmet Cooks Three Ancient Cuisines_ is not a bad source for modern Greek and Roman foods. I've made a few Greek students less homesick....I've also used it to compare medieval recipes against, for things like amounts and cooking times. AND, he recommends Apicus in his bibliography. (I believe there are some modern adaptations --not weird, just using modern measures, etc.--in the collection, too.) Avwye Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: tabron at binah.cc.brandeis.edu Subject: Re: Baked Garlic (re: Feast Formats) Organization: Brandeis University Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 20:01:08 GMT PBOYNTON%SESCVA at snybufva.CS.snybuf.EDU (ROWENA NI DHONNCHAIDH) writes: [snip] > Sigh... I'm a little paranoid about what the cooks want to do with >garlic now. (And about whether the cooks have done those recipes in school >issue aluminum pots!) Rowena > You needn't be afraid, as long as you DO NOT BREAK THE SKIN of the garlic cloves! Wonderfully ambrosial nectar that no one will ever be able to identify as garlic soup can be made in any sort of pot, but if you break the skin the garlic oils will escape and become hideous, rather than being gently cooked. I have a recipe for garlic soup (soupe d'ail) I got from a Michael Field cookbook and his claim is perfectly true: people who claim they hate garlic or cannot eat it will never be able to identify the resulting wonderful stuff as basically only chicken stock and garlic. Raedwynn aet thaem Grenan Wuda Dark Horde From: "Philip W. Troy" To: sca-cooks at eden.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:18:42 -0400 Subject: sca-cooks Re: Garlic Mark Harris wrote: > So, was garlic used in medieval cooking? How? As a seasoning > cooked into foods? Squeezed on top of foods? Today roasted > garlic seems to be a fad in some areas. Is there any evidence > of roasted garlic then? Was it grown all over or just around > the Mediterranean? Garlic was grown all over Europe. It doesn't seem to figure especially heavily in court cookery, but it may have been used extensively in lower-class households. Recipes survive for Aquapatys, a dish of semi-pureed, boiled garlic, served on toast sops, and for Sawse Madame, which is a stuffing of fruit (i.e.grapes) and garlic cloves, roasted inside poultry and made into a sauce with the drippings. This last is a favorite of mine. Plain roasted garlic sounds vaguely Provencale to me; I haven't heard of any evidence of its periodicity, but that means nothing. > Stefan li Rous Adamantius From: L Herr-Gelatt and J R Gelatt Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:22:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: SC - Re: sca-cooks V1 #102 >Lasairina at aol.com wrote: > >> Actually, preserving garlic cloves in oil is okay, and the oil is wonderful >> for cooking after the cloves are used up. Graham Kerr uses it frequently in >> recipes. I, too, would be a little leary if it fizzed, though. Can oil >> ferment? > >Not as such. Garlic can, though. One of the things you need to watch out >for is the fact that garlic can apparently harbor botulism, which is why >the commercial processed garlic in refrigerated jars is packed with >either citric or ascorbic acid. I was interested in the fact that a >comment was made about garlic reacting with vinegar: I know some >interesting colors are sometimes produced this way, but it hadn't >occurred to me this might be dangerous. > >I have had good results with cooking peeled garlic cloves VERY gently in >olive oil, without browning, until soft. While still hot I pour it into >a sterile canning jar and seal it up. This will keep for a reasonably >long time; I would guess six months or so, or longer if refrigerated. >The oil is good for just about anything that might use olive oil or >garlic, and the garlic is exceptional spread on home-made croutons (not >that silly bread kibble McDonald's put on Caesar salad). > >Adamantius >> >> Garlic in vinegar is the bad one, so I've heard. For some reason, the acid >> in the vinegar reacts badly with the garlic, which then reacts very badly >> with you.... >> >> Lassar Fhina Actually, I believe that garlic should be blanched in boiling water first, then used in these preparations. It then loses relatively little of the flavor or texture, doesn't change color, and still does it's wonderful job. The brief boil (and then plunge into very cold water) takes care of the worry of bitterness due to excessive cooking AND any nasty bugs lurking therein, which may cause it to ferment or expose you to unbeneficial organisms. Garlic is then perfectly safe to preserve and use as a flavoring agent just like raw herbs in vinegar or oil. That's the method I prefer. Another way to make garlic vinegar or oil safely is to heat the oil or vinegar with the garlic in it, then allow it to cool. This produces a harsher but faster flavor meld than when simply allowed to mellow together, but if heated high enough, the germs would die. I'm not claiming any period sources here, but of all the recipes I've read for herbed oils and vinegars, Garlic is singled out as the ingredient to take extra care of. I have successfully made both garlic oil and garlic vinegar without any problem by blanching first. Really, any process that heats the garlic enough to kill lurking organisms would be a safe treatment for longterm storage of garlic. However: in case anyone is inclined to get hysterical, raw garlic is perfectly safe when kept in the usual proscribed methed: loose or loosley covered, not airtight, and either chilled or room temperature so long as the buds are firm and creamy white or greenish white. It is the storage in a mostly airless environment (say, when covered with oil or vinegar or whole/chopped and cold packed raw without preservatives) that spells trouble. You'd get a bacteria cocktail. And now that I've done my job and selfishly murdered your appetites, I can now rest in the knowledge that we can all eat garlic safely. Well, except for those of us with extraordinarily long canines. Aoife From: "Philip W. Troy" Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 10:25:55 -0400 Subject: Re: SC - Two questions... Lasairina at aol.com wrote: > Actually, preserving garlic cloves in oil is okay, and the oil is wonderful > for cooking after the cloves are used up. Graham Kerr uses it frequently in > recipes. I, too, would be a little leary if it fizzed, though. Can oil > ferment? Not as such. Garlic can, though. One of the things you need to watch out for is the fact that garlic can apparently harbor botulism, which is why the commercial processed garlic in refrigerated jars is packed with either citric or ascorbic acid. I was interested in the fact that a comment was made about garlic reacting with vinegar: I know some interesting colors are sometimes produced this way, but it hadn't occurred to me this might be dangerous. I have had good results with cooking peeled garlic cloves VERY gently in olive oil, without browning, until soft. While still hot I pour it into a sterile canning jar and seal it up. This will keep for a reasonably long time; I would guess six months or so, or longer if refrigerated. The oil is good for just about anything that might use olive oil or garlic, and the garlic is exceptional spread on home-made croutons (not that silly bread kibble McDonald's put on Caesar salad). Adamantius Date: 7 Nov 1997 12:06:28 -0800 From: "Marisa Herzog" Subject: Re: SC - for bread-smearing Oh goody, the doctor just told my wife she is to eat at least a clove of garlic each day, appropriately mixed into some other food. Since she likes garlic anyway, this will be great. the roasted garlic is also yummy all by itself- and you don't have to have one of those fancy roaster thingies, I just use a covered corningware dish. take most of the husk off the head of garlic, trim the top a bit, drip a nice bit of olive oil over it, sprinkle a bit of salt and pepper, vinegar or other herbs optional(rosemary is nice). Bake in a covered dish at 250 for an hour or so- when the cloves start bursting out the top of the husks it is done. you can try to be neat and pull the cloves out with a little fork, or you can just pull off the husked cloves and squeeze them onto the bread like little condiment packages. this is definitely happy food. - -brid Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:28:41 -0600 From: "Decker, Terry D." Subject: RE: SC - for bread-smearing >the roasted garlic is also yummy all by itself- and you don't have to have >one of those fancy roaster thingies, I just use a covered corningware dish. >-brid Try standing them in some chicken broth while you roast them. It is a technique I got from the now defunct Portobello Road Restaurant. Bear Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 10:28:49 -0800From: "Crystal A. Isaac" Subject: SC - Roasted garlicRoasted garlic is a wonderful thing. I though there was a adpated recipefor it inL. Sass's _To the King's Taste_. Is that recipe wrong? I know the bookis not perfect, but it certialnly seems like roasted garlic should bewithin medieval cookery.I'll look it up later if nobody beats me to it.Crystal of the Westermark Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 18:41:19 -0400 From: Philip & Susan Troy Subject: SC - Aquapatys = roasted garlic? > Roasted garlic is a wonderful thing. I though there was a adapted recipe > for it in > L. Sass's _To the King's Taste_. Is that recipe wrong? I know the book > is not perfect, but it certialnly seems like roasted garlic should be > within medieval cookery. > > Crystal of the Westermark I agree, roasted garlic is a terrific thing. I am fairly certain, though, that the recipe in TTKT is for aquapatys, from the Forme of Cury [#77]. It is boiled garlic, which, while tender and yummy, is a bit different from roasted garlic, lacking the characteristic caramel brown and the garlicky/nutty flavor. Adamantius From: James and/or Nancy Gilly Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:45:05 -0600 From: "Decker, Terry D." Subject: SC - Aquapatys Some one was asking for the boiled garlic recipe from To The King's Taste. Aquapatys [from: Forme of Cury, #77] Pill garlec and cast it in a pot with water and oile and seeth it. Do thereto safron, salt, and powdor-fort and dress it forth hool. Boiled Garlic. Peel garlic. Cast it into a pot with water and oil, and boil it. Add saffron, salt and strong powder. Serve it forth whole. Sass's version. 1 cup water cloves of 6 bulbs of garlic, peeled 3 tablespoons of butter or oil 1/8 teaspoon saffron 1/8 teaspoon salt 1/4 teaspoon cinnamon pinch mace garnish: 1 tablespoon minced fresh parsley 1. Bring water to a boil. 2. Add garlic cloves, butter or oil, saffron, salt, cinnamon, and mace. 3. Cover and cook over medium flame about 7 minutes or until garlic is easily pierced with a fork. 4. Drain and serve with a garnish of parsley. Serves 4-6 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:21:09 -0700 (PDT)From: Russell Gilman-Hunt Subject: SC - garlic in British IslesThe esteemed and lovely margali wrote:>The only thing that really pops into my mind- when did garlic get into>common use in the British Isles? I seem to think that onions were used more>often, being local and traditional with game birds...and the use of garlic>wasn't prevalent in W.W.II[my dad is here and he spent several months there>before the war, and again afterwards-the wonders of a military career. I>just asked him and he really doesn't remember garlic, but lots of onions,>parsley, marjoram, thyme, horseradish and pepper.]My notes for "Early Medieval Ireland 400-1200" by Da/ibhi/ O/ Cro/ini/n,says that both wild garlic and celery must be supplied to all sickpeople, as much as they want. (p 98) I think he said it was in theBrehon Laws.Conchobar Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:52:27 -0700 From: david friedman Subject: SC - Garlic in British Isles (was: rasher/game birds) At 4:01 PM -0400 5/1/98, marilyn traber wrote: >The only thing that really pops into my mind- when did garlic get into >common use in the British Isles? I seem to think that onions were used more >often, being local and traditional with game birds...and the use of garlic >wasn't prevalent in W.W.II... You certainly get garlic referred to repeatedly in 14th-century English recipes, as flavoring in various dishes and even as a vegetable on its own: aquapatys (from Forme of Cury) is boiled garlic with seasonings, served forth hot. The word garlic is Anglo-Saxon, meaning (if I remember correctly) spear-onion. Elizabeth/Betty Cook Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:17:51 EDT From: LrdRas Subject: SC - Garlic-Varieties Went searching through my gardening/plant books. Here is what I came up with: There are four types of garlic: 1. Italian: lg. white heads that contain about 15 cloves; mild flavor. 2. Tahitian: lg. heads; spongy texture; mold flavor. 3. Spanish: not as lg. as Italian garlic; sharp flavor; purplish color. 4. Elephant: giant cloves (single clove may be larger than a regular head of garlic); Very mild flavor; Ras Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:05:27 -0700 From: david friedman Subject: Re: SC - Garlic in British Isles I mentioned aquapatys; Stefan li Rous wrote: >Can you send me a copy of this aquapatys? The source is: _Curye on Inglysch: English Culinary Manuscripts of the Fourteenth Century (Including the Forme of Cury)_, edited by Constance B. Hieatt and Sharon Butler, published for the Early English Text Society by the Oxford University Press, 1985. Aquapatys. Pill garlec and cast it in a pot with water and oile and see(th) it. Do (th)erto safroun, salt, and powdour fort and dresse it forth hoot. [end of original; thorns replaced with (th)] I don't have a worked-out version; the only term I can see that needs explaining is powder fort, strong spice powder. You occasionally see recipes saying something like "Add powder fort or ginger and pepper", which gives some idea of what it is like. We keep a jar of our own guess at powder fort on the shelf; it is mostly cinnamon, ginger, and pepper, with a little cloves, mace, and cubebs. Elizabeth/Betty Cook Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:35:00 -0500 From: "Decker, Terry D." Subject: RE: SC - garlic, chicken Stefan says, >>And I would be interested in additional good period recipes using garlic. It does look like baked garlic is a modern invention though. :-(<< Garlic sauce for all meats: take the garlic and cook it in the embers, then pound it thoroughly and add raw garlic and crumb of bread, and sweet spices, and broth; and mix everything together and boil it a little; and serve it hot. Frati, Ludovico, Libro de cucina del secolo XVI, as presented in Redon, The Medieval Kitchen So, garlic was ember baked. We know that boiled garlic (aquapatys) was served as a dish. It may be inferred, but not proven that ember baked garlic could have been served as a dish. A modern method for preparing garlic combines the two. Put chicken broth in a dish to provide about 1 inch depth. Cut the tops from an appropriate number of bulbs of garlic and stand then top down in the broth. Bake at 300 degrees F for about an hour or until soft. Bear Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:21:04 -0400 From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" Subject: Re: SC - My latest feast (and a few comments) And it came to pass on 13 Apr 99,, that Stefan li Rous wrote: > We did have a discussion on this > list a year or two ago about whether roasted garlic was period or > not. I don't think anyone gave any evidence that it was, then. I don't remember if I was on the list then. Possibly not. Was the question whether roasting heads of garlic is a documentable technique or if the resulting puree was used alone as a condiment? The answer to the first question is "yes". I know of a couple of recipes (sauces and pottages, I think) which use roasted garlic as an ingredient. Lady Brighid ni Chiarain Settmour Swamp, East (NJ) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:47:52 -0400 From: Philip & Susan Troy Subject: Re: SC - My latest feast (and a few comments) Stefan li Rous wrote: > I haven't looked in "The Medieval Kitchen" yet. Feel free to tell me > to go look there, but this roasted garlic spread sounds interesting > and I'd love to hear more details. We did have a discussion on this > list a year or two ago about whether roasted garlic was period or > not. I don't think anyone gave any evidence that it was, then. I remember that conversation, and all I could think of at the time was the 14th-century English aquapatys dish of boiled garlic on sops. If the roasted garlic spread is the stuff I'm thinking of, this is agliata (roasted garlic sauce 2) from Ludovico Frati's [modern] edition called Libro di cucina del secolo XIV. It calls for roasted garlic to be pounded in a mortar with raw garlic, breadcrumbs, sweet spices, and broth, then boiled and served hot. Now while this stuff appears to have been more a sauce than a spread, there are modern precedents for such gloriously garlicky sauces as rouille (classic garnish for bouillabaise) to be spread on a piece of toasted crouton and floated in the soup. On the other hand, I could be completely off as to the original source recipe... Adamantius Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:44:34 -0400 From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" Subject: Re: SC - Roasted garlic was my latest feast Lady Brighid ni Chiarain wrote: >> I know of a couple of recipes >> (sauces and pottages, I think) which use roasted garlic as an ingredient. > > Recipes please! > > Lucretzia Recipes are from the 1529 edition of Ruperto de Nola's _Libro de Guisados_. Translations are mine. ALMODROTE QUE ES CAPIROTADA Hodgepodge which is "Capirotada" [Note: I can't translate "Capirotada". I have various recipes for this dish, all of which involve layers of birds, bread, and sometimes cheese (except for a Lenten version using truffles). It is mentioned in the 1423 carving manual _Arte Cisoria_ as one of the standard recipes for preparing fowl.] You shall take partridges and after they have been well plucked put them between the embers and when they have been there for the space of a paternoster, take them out and clean everything off them and roast them and baste them sufficiently with your lard and when they are roasted, cut them as if to make portions of them, and then grate good cheese of Aragon that is fine, and take two whole heads of garlic roasted between the embers and then peel them very well and cleanly and pound them in a mortar, and then put the cheese in the mortar, and resume pounding it all together, and while you are pounding them cast a good spoonful of lard into the mortar, with some egg yolks, and pound it all together, and when it is all well pounded, dissolve it with good mutton broth that is half cooled, because if it were very hot it would consume the cheese, and then make slices of bread and toast them and scrape off the burnt parts and then scald or soak these toasted slices of bread with good mutton broth in an earthenware bowl or a deep plate, and then take them out and put them on a large plate, all around; in this manner: a layer of bread slice and another of partridges, and in this manner fill up the plate with a platform of bread slices and another of partridges, and when the plate is full cast the almodrote on top of it all and then take melted lard and scatter it over the plate. SALSA BIZA PARA DIEZ ESCUDILLAS "Biza" Sauce for Ten Dishes You must take three pounds of peeled almonds and pound them well in a mortar; and then dissolve them with good chicken broth; and and make it pass through a hair sieve, in such a manner that the milk comes out well; then set it aside and then take the livers of ducks or hens, and pound them in a mortar; then take three or four heads of garlic roasted in the embers and pound them with the livers, and after chopping everything well dissolve it all with the broth and pass it through a woolen cloth; and then put it in a pot with the milk, together, and cast into the pot ginger and cinnamon, and pepper, all ground; and of each item one dinero, and one egg yolk, well beaten, for each dish, and two ounces of sugar; cast it into the pot. [The following recipe uses boiled garlic, not roasted, but I included it anyway] SALSA QUE SE DICE PI=D1ONADA DE AJOS Sauce Which is Called Pine-Nut Sauce of Garlic You will take a pound of pine nuts and another of peeled almonds and pound them very well, each by itself; and then both together, and cook two heads of garlic in a little pot with broth of chicken or mutton; and then when the garlic is well cooked, pound it with the pine nuts and with the well-peeled almonds. First the garlic, and when it is all well pounded, pound also with it a little grated cheese, which is very good, with eight or nine hard-boiled egg yolks; and when everything is well pounded, dissolve it with the broth of chicken or mutton, and set it to cook in a very clean pot; and cast into it one or two ounces of sugar; and a little bit of rose vinegar tempered with rosewater in which crushed cloves and ginger and cinnamon and pepper have been steeping overnight; and cook it until it is cooked and quite thick and prepare dishes and cast sugar and cinnamon over it. AJETE PARA ANSARONES Garlic Sauce for Geese Roast three or four heads of garlic between the embers or hot ashes; and after roasting them, peel off the husks and skins and taste one grain; and if it seems strong to you, cook them in a pot with only water and give them a boil, and then take a pound of pine nuts and half of peeled almonds and pound them in a mortar; and when they are more than half pounded, pound those pine nuts and garlic with them very forcefully; and then dissolve them with good broth with is fatty; and pass it through a woolen cloth; and then set it in the pot to cook: and cast in four ounces of sugar and whole cinnamon tied with a thread and soaked in rosewater, and put it all together in the pot, and leave it to cook until it is well thickened; and it is necessary to cook it a good hour. I know there are some others, but I don't have them translated. Lady Brighid ni Chiarain Settmour Swamp, East (NJ) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:25:29 -0400 From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" Subject: Re: SC - roasted garlic And it came to pass on 16 May 99,, that Stefan li Rous wrote: [quoting me]: > > I know of a couple of recipes (sauces and > > pottages, I think) which use roasted garlic as an ingredient. > It was simply the roasting of heads of garlic I had in mind. Although I > was I think, thinking mainly of the roasted garlic being spread on bread. I have no evidence for plain roasted garlic on bread. Only as an ingredient in cooked dishes. > I would love to have referances to these recipes that used roasted garlic > and even better any that describe how to roast them. How to roast them is described only by the phrase "roasted in the embers". I would assume that for even cooking, you'd want to bury the heads of garlic in the embers. Then it would be a matter of experimentation to figure out timing. Timing may be variable and difficult to judge, as witness the fact that at least one of the recipes below tells you what to do if you remove the garlic from the embers and it is insufficiently roasted. Here, to the best of my recollection, are the recipes I posted before. I almost found myself in the strange position of telling you to check the Floriligeum, but evidently they didn't get in. Source: Libro de Guisados by Ruperto de Nola (Spanish, 1529 ed.) Translation: mine SALSA BIZA PARA DIEZ ESCUDILLAS -- Biza Sauce for Ten Dishes You must take three pounds of peeled almonds and pound them well in a mortar; and then dissolve them with good chicken broth; and and make it pass through a hair sieve, in such a manner that the milk comes out well; then set it aside and then take the livers of ducks or hens, and pound them in a mortar; then take three or four heads of garlic roasted in the embers and pound them with the livers, and after chopping everything well dissolve it all with the broth and pass it through a woolen cloth; and then put it in a pot with the milk, together, and cast into the pot ginger and cinnamon, and pepper, all ground; and of each item one dinero, and one egg yolk, well beaten, for each dish, and two ounces of sugar; cast it into the pot. AJETE PARA ANSARONES -- Garlic Sauce for Geese Roast three or four heads of garlic between the embers or hot ashes; and after roasting them, peel off the husks and skins and taste one grain; and if it seems strong to you, cook them in a pot with only water and give them a boil, and then take a pound of pine nuts and half of peeled almonds and pound them in a mortar; and when they are more than half pounded, pound those pine nuts and garlic with them very forcefully; and then dissolve them with good broth with is fatty; and pass it through a woolen cloth; and then set it in the pot to cook: and cast in four ounces of sugar and whole cinnamon tied with a thread and soaked in rosewater, and put it all together in the pot, and leave it to cook until it is well thickened; and it is necessary to cook it a good hour. And I posted this one as well, (though the garlic is boiled, not roasted) because someone was very eager for garlic sauces: SALSA QUE SE DICE PIÑONADA DE AJOS -- Sauce Which is Called Pine Nut Conserve of Garlic You will take a pound of pine nuts and another of peeled almonds and pound them very well, each by itself; and then both together, and cook two heads of garlic in a little pot with broth of chicken or mutton; and then when the garlic is well cooked, pound it with the pine nuts and with the well-peeled almonds. First the garlic, and when it is all well pounded, pound also with it a little grated cheese, which is very good, with eight or nine hard-boiled egg yolks; and when everything is well pounded, dissolve it with the broth of chicken or mutton, and set it to cook in a very clean pot; and cast into it one or two ounces of sugar; and a little bit of rose vinegar tempered with rosewater in which crushed cloves and ginger and cinnamon and pepper have been steeping overnight; and cook it until it is cooked and quite thick and prepare dishes and cast sugar and cinnamon over it. Lady Brighid ni Chiarain Settmour Swamp, East (NJ) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:01:33 -0500 From: Elaine Koogler Subject: Re: SC - Bagna Calda. >A similar kind of thing is an Italian dish called Bagna Calda. The recipe is from a restaurant in San Francisco (branch in LA) called The Stinking Rose...if you're ever in that area and like/love garlic, don't miss this one!!! 1 1/2 cups peeled garlic cloves 1 1/2 cups extra virgin oliveoil 2 oz. butter 1 can (2 oz) anchovies 1. Place all ingredients inoven caserole, cover and place in 275 degree oven for 1 1/2 hours. 2. Serve with bread and cut up veggies. The only down side to this is that if you pig out, as I usually do, then you smell of garlic for several days...but then who cares? It's well worth the sacrifice. Kiri Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:37:45 -0500 From: Philip & Susan Troy Subject: Re: SC - Bagna Calda. Elaine Koogler wrote: > 1 1/2 cups peeled garlic cloves > 1 1/2 cups extra virgin oliveoil > 2 oz. butter > 1 can (2 oz) anchovies > > 1. Place all ingredients inoven caserole, cover and place in 275 degree oven > for 1 1/2 hours. > 2. Serve with bread and cut up veggies. > > The only down side to this is that if you pig out, as I usually do, then you > smell of garlic for several days...but then who cares? It's well worth the > sacrifice. Just invite everyone you know or are likely to spend any time with, and then you'll all be in the same boat and won't complain. BTW, other versions I've seen call for cooking this on top of the stove, and specify all oil and no butter, so at least cholesterol is not an issue. Fat, on the other hand, even if mono-unsaturated... ; ) Adamantius Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:20:29 -0500 From: "Jeff Gedney" Subject: SC - Garlic methods - OOP(?) > BTW, other versions I've seen call for cooking this on top of the stove, > and specify all oil and no butter, so at least cholesterol is not an > issue. Fat, on the other hand, even if mono-unsaturated... ; ) YesssssssMMMMMMmmmmmmmmm I _love_ doing this. The trick is to cook the garlic through without burning the oil if you do it right, the garlic is crunchy/chewy and sweet as candy, and the oil is fragrant and pungeant without being obnoxious. Adding butter to the oil is an interesting variation... Not burning the oil would become much harder, unless the butter is clarified, but I would think that the oil would overwhelm the butter without the butter solids. I have found that it cooks a little quicker if the garlic cloves are cut up a _little bit_ , not chopped, but _very_ coarsely chunked. the smaller pieces of garlic will last longer, I have found, as the whole garlic cloves get scarfed up in the first couple of minutes (usually while I am getting the rest of the meal to table!!). (BTW, I thought that both Olive Oil and Garlic were GOOD for your cholesterol... This would be "Cardio Manna form heaven", as opposed to Steamed Loose Meat and Cheese Sammiches, the "Cardiac Feast of Death") Does any of this have period antecedants? the only PERIOD "Eat the Garlic for its own sake" recipe I have seen is Aquapatys ... are there any others? Brandu Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:38:22 -0500 From: Philip & Susan Troy Subject: Re: SC - Garlic methods - OOP(?) Jeff Gedney wrote: > Does any of this have period antecedants? > the only PERIOD "Eat the Garlic for its own sake" recipe I have seen is > Aquapatys ... are there any others? I don't know if you'd count a garlic sauce, but it figures quite heavily in cormarye, the marinated pork loin dish, and features in English 14th-15th century recipes involving stuffing a chicken with parsley, whole garlic, and grapes, some of which involve pureeing the stuffing as a sauce for da boids, and some of which don't say, so presumably dabbing that garlic on bread, say, would not be out of order. Adamantius Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:52:10 -0500 From: margali Subject: Re: SC - Garlic methods - OOP(?) Mark Grant's new book _Roman Cookery. Ancient Recipes for Modern Kitchens_ (Serif, quid9.99) has the following recipe for moretum, which he renders as 'garlic and herb pate': 4 bulbs garlic 200g/7oz feta 3 celery stalks large bunch fresh coriander leaves small bunch fresh rue leaves 2 tbsp olive oil 4 tbsp white wine vinegar sea salt Break the bulbs of garlic up into cloves, spread out on a baking tray and cook under a hot grill for 5 mins, turning over 2-3 times to avoid burning. Leave to cool for a couple of mins, squeeze out flesh from skins. Roughly chop celery, cheese & herbs, whizz up with garlic in food processor. Add wine vinegar, olive oil, mix in. Serve as spread. "The effect is not unlike 'salade mechouia', a Tunisian dish...I have suggested grilling the garlic to lessen the tears". He also includes a translation of the ps.-Virgil _Moretum_. margali Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:03:30 EST From: ChannonM at aol.com Subject: SC - Re: Garlic methods - OOP(?) << This may be a translator's issue, but I'm not aware of a single usage of garlic in Apicius De Re Coquinaria. At least not that I can think of offhand before my tea is ready... >> Actually, Apicius' Sala cattabia is full of garlic, and is believed to be related to the Moretaria recipes including those of Virgil and I believe Cato. Moretaria of Apicius F&R, pg 61 Mint, rue, coriander, fennel, all fresh, lovage, pepper, honey, liquamen. If needed add vinegar Here are the Sala cattabia recipes from Flower and Rosenbaum Sala cattabia Hollow out an Alexandrine loaf , soak in water mixed with vinegar. Put in the mortar pepper, honey, mint, garlic, fresh coriander, salted cowís milk cheese, water and oil, cool in snow and serve. Moretaria Modern version 1 250 gm package cream cheese 1 large clove garlic minced 1 tsp thyme 1 tsp fresh ground black pepper Combine the ingredients and let cool 1 hour. Let soften before serving A Redacted Recipe Sala cattabia Original Recipe This recipe is found in Book IV -Many Ingredients, of our main work. It is included with recipes for patinas ( mostly egg dishes) , fish dishes, fried dishes of various sorts, stews to be served with the first course(Gustum versatile) The original recipe I am redacting from uses the same method outlined in the Sala cattabia recipe from Apicius noted below. In it, it directs you to Have Ready some pieces of bread soaked in water mixed with vinegar. Squeeze out the moisture, and arrange in a mould, followed by layers of cowís milk cheese, cucumbers, alternating with pine-kernels. Add finely chopped capers alternating with chicken liverî The second sala cattabia recipe uses layers of various meats including chicken and goatís sweatbread. The meat can be omitted where a vegetarian version is desired. This version omits any meat, however, a boiled chicken breast meat is an excellent choice. (I; have tried it with and without, and enjoy both) Sala cattabia 1 round loaf of sour dough bread hollowed out. Cut the center in cubes and soak in 1cup water with 1 Tblsp good red wine vinegar of your choice and 1tsp ground cumin. Flower & Rosenbaum point out that Alexandrine bread is thought to contain cumin. I was advised to taste the vinegar alone to determine if it tastes fine, if so use it. I chose Tosca brand, which can be easily found in Canada. Mix the soaking bread well and let sit for 5-10 minutes. Squeeze out the excess moisture by pressing it in a seive and set aside. Mash in a mortar or put in food processor and blend; 1tsp white pepper ground 1 Tblsp honey 1 tsp fre sh mint chopped or ? tsp dried 1 Tblsp fresh coriander or 1 tsp dried 1 med clove of garlic, chopped .5 lbs ricotta (you may wish to increase this ingredient to fill out your mold) ? thinly sliced cucumber (if done in a food processor and very finely, do not peel) 1- 125 ml jar of capers 2-3 ounces chopped pine nuts Dressing: 1 Tblsp olive oil, 1 Tbsp red wine vinegar, ? tsp salt. The next step will vary depending on how large your mold is. Divide the soaked bread into 3 portions, the cheese and capers, into 2 .* Using a mold(you may want to rub a small amount of olive oil into the mold if you are concerned about the food sticking to the sides, I used less than a tsp) place a layer of cucumbers on the bottom (top when righted) in a pattern if possible, then place a layer of bread pressing down firmly. Next place a layer of overlapping cucumber slices. Spoon in ? of the cheese mixture and spread over the cucumbers. Sprinkle on ? of the chopped pine nuts and 2-3 tsp chopped capers. Repeat. Finish with a final layer of bread. . Place a plate on top of the mold. Put the two in the refridgerator for at least 2-3 hours to ensure that the mold sets. Turn the molded dish onto a serving platter and surround with sliced pieces of the outer part of the loaf of bread. Pour over the dish the prepared dressing. Garnish with some fresh mint or parsley in the center and serve chilled. Serves 6-8 as main dish or 10- 12 as an appetizer in a large feast. *Note; in practice, I used 2 - 1 ? lb molds. Each allowed 2 layers of bread and cucumber and 1 layer of cheese, pine nuts and capers. Had I used a 2-3 lb mold my resulting dish would have simply been larger, and appeared more varied. I have also used a fish mold and placed the cucumbers to appear as scales and capers for eyes, it was a hit. The decision at this point is up to the cook. Enjoy the labours!! Hauviette Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:00:56 -0500 From: Elaine Koogler Subject: Re: SC - Re: Garlic methods - OOP(?) I did something VERY similar from a Roman source for a feast a couple of years ago, though I redacted it a little differently. It was from the Appendix Vergiliana, Moretum. I found it in "A Taste of Ancient Rome by Illaria Giacosa. However, it was very garlicky and very good. It was particularly tasty when eated on flatbread/focacia with the Epitrium or Olive paste I described in an earlier post. Kiri Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:19:05 -0500 From: Elaine Koogler Subject: Re: SC - Re: Garlic methods - OOP(?) Cheese Round with Herbs (Appendix Vergiliana, Moretum) Quattuor alia, apius, ruta, coriandrum, salis micas, caseus. 4 or 5 garlic cloves (depending on how "garlicky" you like things) 1 tsp. celery leaves (or parsley) 1 tsp. rue 2 tsp. coriander 1 1/3 tsp salt 8 oz soft cheese (ricotta) 2 tsp. olive oil 1 tbsp. balsmic vinegar In a food processor/mortar/whatever grind the garlic. Then add the cheese, followed by the herbs, and work the mixture until it is thoroughly blended. Moisten the mixture with the olive oil and vinegar. Form it into a round and chill. This came from "A Taste of Ancient Rome" by Illaria Gozzini Giacosa. It is particularly good eated on a flat bread such as a plain type of foccacia, and the olive paste is excellent with it! Kiri Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:26:09 EST From: ChannonM at aol.com Subject: SC - Re: garlic methods << Or did you mean "full of" as in, "the stuffing contains..."? >> Yes, I meant the stuffing has garlic in it. <> Thas right. I apologize if it was misleading, cause I started with the moretaria recipe. <> That's it, it is Columella. Thank you. I wasn't checking for it at the time. Sorry you had an exasperating time reading something that didn't have the reference in it. I'll try to be more careful next time. :) Hauviette Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:07:23 EDT From: LrdRas at aol.com Subject: Re: SC - Peeling garlic and chopping onions stefan at texas.net writes: << do you all have any recommendations on peeling garlic? >> Place clove under flat side of knife. Smash blade with side of hand. Pull off skin. Voila! Peeled garlic. Ras Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:56:05 -0400 From: Philip & Susan Troy Subject: Re: SC - Peeling garlic and chopping onions > A good solution to the garlic issue is to purchase it pre processed. A good food > purveyor should be able to provide you with garlic, processed in many forms and > sizes. Often chopped garlic comes in oil or water and you can then portion it > out as you see fit. The cost is more that buying the cloves yourself and > processing them, but you make up for the cost with the time that you save. Ordinarily I'm a big fan of time-saving conveniences "all other things being equal"... However, in the case of the bottled garlic, for my purposes it would depend on the usage. To me, it does taste of the citric acid and/or other preservatives added, and also tastes slightly cooked, presumably because, well, it is. There might be some uses for such a product, say, a red-wine marinade for beef, or the Colored Garlic Sauce in Platina, both of which are somewhat acidic and cooked, but I wouldn't use it for everything I'd use fresh garlic for. On the other hand, I can wholeheartedly recommend the nifty jars of peeled garlic cloves, usually about a gallon size, that I sometimes see in restaurant supply and wholesale stores. They're raw, or maybe pasteurized, but definitely not as cooked and soft as the chopped stuff in the little jars. Then, of course, you still have to chop it, so it has its disadvantages, too. But I always buy a jar for making garlic confit for Christmas, a wonderful and childishly simple preparation that never fails to please garlic lovers. Adamantius Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:58:54 +1000 From: "Craig Jones." Subject: Re: SC - Garlic > Aquapatys!!! Bulbs of garlic boiled in broth. Great on bread and >probably hell on vampires (I haven't tested that). > > Bear I did the this recipe for the last feast I ran although I did dress the garlic with a few shavings of parmagiano reggiano which improves the flavour immeasurably. Many commented on the fantastic garlic flavour, were "blown away' with how the bulbs maintain their integrity yet melted away to nothing in the mouth, and were shocked with the lack of "Garlic Burn". I won many fans that night, and the emnity of one lady, who's lord, Sir Torg consumed over 70 cloves of garlic, and had it oozing from his pores for weeks..... I should post the feast recipes, it was a italo-polish theme... > From personal experience, it is hell on your love life as well I love garlic, my wife hates more than 1/2 clove in any dish. Maybe I should cook garlic dishes when my wife goes out.... Drakey. Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:43:30 From: "Vincent Cuenca" Subject: Re: SC - Asparagus smell On the subject of garlic, I read that Alfonso XI of Castile passed an edict in 1330 prohibiting knights who had eaten onions or garlic from entering his court or addressing his courtiers for no less than four weeks. Vicente Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 18:36:09 -0700 From: "Laura C. Minnick" To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Garlic Question Katy Ice wrote: > I have a question about Garlic. I recently bought a large container of peeled garlic cloves. I am keeping them in the fridge, but I noticed that a few of the cloves aren't looking too great anymore! Is there a way to keep the garlic good while I use this large amount? Since it is already peeled, I don't really know how to keep it from going bad over a period of time, which is how long it will take me to go through it all! < Regina is sick this evening, but this is what she would say- Put a couple of tablespoods of white vinegar in the container and shake it to coat your garlic. Just enough to coat, not enough to affect the flavor. The vinegar kills off most of the beasties that will grow on garlic. (You might have to pick out the ones that are already looking icky though). 'Lainie (there's a huge container of garlic in the frig here- you can smell it whenever you open the door...) From: LrdRas at aol.com Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:58:08 EDT Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Garlic Question To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org katya at wolfenet.com writes: << Since it is already peeled, I don't really know how to keep it from going bad over a period of time, which is how long it will take me to go through it all! Can anyone offer some suggestions? >> Cover it with olive or other vegetable oil. It should keep fine for quite a while. Ras From: "Decker, Terry D." To: "'sca-cooks at ansteorra.org'" Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] Garlic Question Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 05:59:50 -0500 I assume you mean store it in the refrigerator. Garlic in olive oil produces anaerobic conditions suitable for the cultivation of Clostridium botulinum and the resulting neurotoxins. Bear > You can also throw it in the food processor or blender > with a bit of olive oil, and store it in jars until > you need it. Works great. > > Balthazar of Blackmoor Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:06:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Stanifer Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] Garlic Question To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org --- "Decker, Terry D." wrote: > I assume you mean store it in the refrigerator. Garlic in olive oil > produces anaerobic conditions suitable for the cultivation of Clostridium > botulinum and the resulting neurotoxins. Absolutely. My mistake. Store it under refrigeration, just to be safe. C. botulinum is *not* something you want to play with. For what it's worth, though, I haven't heard of any botulism 'outbreaks' related to garlic packed in olive oil in quite a few years... but, why take the chance? Store it in the 'fridge. Balthazar of Blackmoor Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:49:34 -0500 From: Stefan li Rous To: SCA-Cooks maillist Subject: [Sca-cooks] bagna cauda Maire answered my question about what bagna cauda was with: > IIRC, "bagna cauda" is a hot bath of olive oil, garlic, and chopped > anchovy (?) (and other stuff?), kept in a pot like a hotpot. One dips > fresh vegetables into the hot oil--not to cook, I think, but for > flavor. Apparently absolutely divine....especially if you like garlic. > It's used at parties, and for appetizers. Thanks! This sounds pretty good. The information you gave me was enough to tell me to go look in a new book of mine that I just got last week as a remainder, "Fantastic Fondues" by Hilaire Walden. Lo, on page 79: Bagna Cauda Bagna cauda is an oil-based garlicky-anchovy fondue from the Piedmonte region of Italy. There are quite a number of variations on the recipe: some use just oil and no butter, and the amounts and proportions of anchovies and garlic can vary, so feel free to make your own adjustments. Bagna cauda is traditionally eaten in spring, accompanied by cardoons and perhaps young artichoke hearts, but it can also be served with celery sticks, carrot sticks, fennel, chicory, courgettes, red peppers and plenty of bread. Serves 4 50g (2 oz) unsalted butter, chopped 200ml (7 fl. oz) olive oil 4 cloves garlic, crushed and very finely chopped freshly ground black pepper 10 anchovy fillets 1. Put the butter into a heavy fondue pot and heat until melted. Add the garlic and cook gently for a few minutes, do not allow to brown. 2. Add the anchovy fillets and mash them so that they disintegrate. 3. Very slowly stir in the oil, then cook gently, stirring most of the time, for about 10 minutes or until the mixture is smooth. 4. Season with plenty of pepper. The bagna cauda is now ready to be dipped into. -------- Sounds wonderful. I love both garlic and anchovies. I do wonder at the call for "unsalted" butter since you are adding anchovies that are already quite salty. I can't see that the amount of additional salt in the regular butter is going to make much of a differance. -- THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas stefan at texas.net Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:47:05 -0700 From: Susan Fox-Davis To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] bagna cauda Stefan li Rous wrote: > I do wonder at the call for "unsalted" butter since you are adding > achovies that are already quite salty. I can't see that the amount > of additional salt in the regular butter is going to make much of a > differance. It's to avoid the salty foam you get on top when you melt salted butter, as well as condiment control. Selene From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:32:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Sieggy's feast On 16 Oct 2001, at 1:12, Stefan li Rous wrote: > Have you found any evidence for roasted garlic in period? We've > discussed this previously, but I don't think anyone came up with > any evidence of garlic being roasted in period. I like roasted > garlic. I'd love to have evidence of its use in period. Roasted garlic is an ingredient in several Catalan/Spanish recipes. I have not seen any mention of it used by itself as a condiment or vegetable. Brighid ni Chiarain *** mka Robin Carroll-Mann Barony of Settmour Swamp, East Kingdom From: "Kirsten Houseknecht" To: Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Garlic feast Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:33:05 -0500 > Kirsten commented: > > at no meal will i have every dish contaminated by any one ingredient... > > unless the feast is EXPRESSLY revolving around that ingredient (like. > > garlic. or something) > > While certainly not period, this does sound intriguing. Just what dishes > would you do if you were doing a "Feast of Garlic"? > -- > THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra well, i would definately use the roasted garlic and onion dish (or even omit the onion) that i posted a few months back... as i can document it to a fair thee well. also people like it, and it is VEGAN so it feeds everyone that can eat garlic. and i would cook with garlic butter when butter was called for. and i would make garlic and garlicky suaces (there are tons of recipes for that) oooh. and garlic roasted chicken! take a whole (small) chicken and stuff it with a whole entire garlic bulb... rub it well with garlic cloves and othere herbs.... serve it with a side sish of stuffings/bread, nuts, and chopped vegetables how about garlic beef? i know there is a period recipe for it. but basically you take a cheap cut of beef, and marinade it well in a garlic based marinade of wine and garlic and herbs...... then pound it... then pound it some more..... then take pounded garlic and herbs and spread them on the flattened meat and roll it..... roast it and cut "pinwheels" to serve. garlic lamb is period. but might be too expensive, i dunno. and garlic,tossed with slivered almonds and beans... and if you can get BIG garlic bulbs... you treat them almost like a "bloomin onion" . roast them, open them up. and stuff them with a creamy stuffing (a friend of mine like seafood stuffings) Kirsten Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:09:02 -0500 To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Garlic feast > While certainly not period, this does sound intriguing. Just what dishes > would you do if you were doing a "Feast of Garlic"? Marinated garlic, poached in some spiced wine with "aromatic elements" such as carrots etc. Cream of garlic soup (lots of garlic, poached in poultry or vegetable stock, with heavy cream added, pureed) Roast lamb in garlic, where you colour the meat, then put it in a roast pan in the oven, *covered* in loose garlic bulbs that roast and cook and impart flavour and and and... YUMMMM. Gorgeous Muiredach the Odd Clan of Odds Shire of Forthcastle, Meridies mka Nicolas Steenhout Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:38:56 -0700 From: lilinah at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Garlic Challenge To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org Since you asked, Stefan, Here's my Moretum recipe that we made for the Greco-Roman Feast at the beginning of this September: 120 cloves Garlic (to equal 10 heads) (for ease I bought them already peeled in a jar that needed to be kept refrigerated) 1 Tb. Salt 5 large handfuls Cilantro 1/4 cup chopped fresh Celery Leaf or Lovage (i got something sold as "Chinese Celery" - mostly leaf, little stalk, tasted a lot like the fresh lovage i tasted) 1/4 cup plus 1 Tb White Wine Vinegar 1/4 cup plus 1 Tb. good quality Olive Oil (don't use that pale yellow oil - it has no character - flavorful dark green oil is better) 2-1/2 lb. grated Pecorina Romano (*real* Parmesan cheese is ok, but do not, i repeat, do NOT use Kraft brand or any other cheap stuff - it tastes like cardboard and has the texture of finely granulated cat litter) 1. Grind garlic with salt in food processor. 2. When pureed, add greens and olive oil and grind. 3. When pureed add remaining ingredients. 4. Taste and add more salt only if needed. 5. Form into 10 balls and chill overnight. Serve at room temperature with bread. Note: The woman who cooked this parboiled the garlic so it would be milder. I thought it was too mild, but there was none left at the end of the feast... --------------------- And since you seem to like garlic, here's the Thumiyya recipe with which i won the Iron Chef Cook-off in the Spring of 2001: Thumiyya from An Anonymous Andalusian Cookbook - 13th century Translation by Charles Perry Take a plump hen and take out what is inside it, clean that and leave aside. Then take four uqiyas of peeled garlic and pound them until they are like brains, and mix with what comes out of the interior of the chicken. Fry it in enough oil to cover, until the smell of the garlic comes out. Mix this with the chicken in a clean pot with salt, pepper, cinnamon, lavender, ginger, cloves, saffron, peeled almonds, both pounded and whole, and a little murri naqi. Seal the pot with dough, place it in the oven and leave it until it is done. Then take it out and open the pot, pour its contents in a clean dish and an aromatic scent will come forth from it and perfume the area. This chicken was made for the Sayyid Abu al-Hasan and much appreciated. Redaction by Anahita al-Qurtubiyya bint 'abd al-Karim al-Fassi 4 lb. chicken breasts and thighs 4 ounces of garlic, peeled 3 Tb. olive oil 1-1/2 tsp. salt 1/2 tsp. pepper 1 Tb. cinnamon 2 tsp. lavender 1 tsp. ginger 1/2 tsp. cloves hearty pinch of real saffron 1/2 c. ground blanched almonds 3/4 c. peeled whole almonds 1-1/2 Tb. murri naqi In honor of the noble gentles to whom i am serving this dish, and especially the Princess's delicate sensibilities, i used skinless, boneless chicken breasts and thighs and did not use any of the chicken's innards. 1. Puree peeled garlic. 2. Fry it in oil until the smell of the garlic comes out. 3. Put chicken in pot, spoon garlic and remaining ingredients and spoon over it. 4. Cover the pot well, place it on a medium-low fire, and cook until done, stirring occasionally, and adjusting the heat, as necessary. 5. When done, pour contents onto serving dish. NOTE: This is the only recipe i've ever tested. Anahita Date: Wed, 11 Fb 2004 11:16:54 -0500 From: "Ruth Tannahill" Subject: [Sca-cooks] garlic allergy To: > well, i am trying to igure out how to manage a period feast, with no garlic > (or very little) As a sister in suffering, I can identify with that. You can always just leave garlic out. If you think people will miss the earthy contribution garlic makes, you could try adding little cumin instead, but I'd do a test run first. When planning a feast, I make a spreadsheet with the names of the dishes, in which course they appear, the ingredients, and the quantities. I then sort by ingredient. If something shows up too much, epecially in the main dishes, I rethink the menu. IMHO, feasts in general are loaded with garlic for several reasons: 1 The craving for "something different" is taking a lot of cooks away from north-west European cuisine. Garlic doesn't show up much in he cuisine of period England, France, etc. but it does show up elsewhere. 2 A lot of cooks round out their menus with dishes made from period ingredients without documentation. I am not saying there is anything wrong with this. I do it myself, when I wnt something specific but can't find a recipe. But a lot of the time, people turn to garlic because they want to have something savory and earthy to balance sweet or spiced dishes. 3 Garlic is not a common trigger. People just don't think of it. Shellish, nuts, wheat, dairy products, fruit, even spices--we've all been trained to avoid repetition of these ingredients, even though a lot of period recipes call for almonds and cinnamon. I did this myself with onions early in my career. I had some poor soul come up to the kitchen asking if there was anything in the first course that didn't have onions in it. I was rather embarrassed. 4 A lot of people believe that everything is better with garlic. They're right, of course, but some of us can't handle it Berelinde Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:03:05 -0500 From: "Daniel & Elizabeth Phelps" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Tacuinum Sanitatis Text edition To: , "Cooks within the SCA" Check with the "Oesterreichische Nationalbibliothek" in Vienna http://www.onb.ac.at/ http://www.onb.ac.at/about/ariadne.htm Last I heard they possess the original manuscript of Tacuinum Sanitatis in Medicina. "The Four Seasons of the House of Cerruti" ISBN 0-8160-0138-3 claims to be a complete translation complete with illustrations. Their translation of the text on Garlic is as follows: "When picking garlic from the garden, select the modice acuitatis, moderately pungent. It generates thick, strong humours and is suited to those with cold temperments, the elderly and very old, mountainous areas, and the north. It has many advantages. It is effective against cold poisons, scorpion and adder bites; it kills worms, clears the voice, and soothes chronic coughs. It can damage the eyes and the brain and to prevent or remedy this, vinegar and oil are necessary. Pounded in a mortar with black olives, as the Greeks do, garlic is useful for dropsy sufferers." Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Volker Bach" <<< does anyone know if there is an original text of the Latin Tacuinum available online anywhere, or failing that, which edition best to hunt down or buy? I want to check on the olive-garlic paste mentioned in the chapter on garlic in the Cerutti Tacuinum. Giano >>> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:35:31 -0400 From: Robin Carroll-Mann To: Cooks within the SCA Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Onion-riffic On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Stefan li Rous wrote: <<< On the other hand, it is difficult to have too much garlic...:-) >>> De Nola said [in a recipe for grilled eel], "And there are also many who grease it with garlic and oil. But each one cooks it according to his appetite. Because there are many lords who do not eat garlic and oil, and others who do eat it." Brighid ni Chiarain, lover of garlic Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:57:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Raphaella DiContini To: Cooks within the SCA Subject: [Sca-cooks] next recipe from Anon. Venetian, III. Agliata I'm still slowly cooking and eating my way through Libro di cucina/ Libro per cuoco. This recipe and the next almost feel like cheating because I've made them so many times I could almost do it in my sleep. I love this sauce, it's like getting bare knuckle punched in the face with garlic, but at least the roasting mellows it, a bit. It's good with all kinds of meats, as a dip, on bread, just about anywhere garlicky goodness would be welcome. If you chose a veggie broth it would also be totally appropriate for lent as well. :) III. Agliata Agliata a ogni carne, toy l?aglio e coxilo sotto la braxa, poi pestalo bene e mitili aglio crudo, e una molena de pan, e specie dol?e, e brodo; e maxena ogni cossa insema e fala un pocho bolire e dala chalda. III. Agliata, garlic sauce Agliata for every meat, take the garlic and cook it under the coals then grind to a paste well and mix it with raw garlic and crumb of bread, sweet spices and broth, and mix each thing together and let it boil a little and serve it warm. My interpretation: Take two large heads (not clove, whole head) of fresh garlic. Cut off just the tops and wrap in tinfoil with a little water. Roast on a cookie sheet for about 45- 60 minutes at 350. Once they?ve cooled, squeeze out the garlic and throw out skins. It should yield approx. 1/2 cup of roasted garlic mush. Add 1/4 cup fresh raw garlic chopped or crushed; blend in either food processor or blender until perfectly smooth. Add broth* and bread crumbs** until desired consistency is achieved. Add Venetian sweet spice mix to taste*** *The original manuscript calls for broth, I've used either chicken or beef, and have also made a tasty vegetarian alternative with either veggie broth, or vinegar which adds a slight back-kick to the in your face garlic flavor. I'd start with adding 1/8 cup of both the liquid of your choice and the bread crumbs and keep going with one or the other until its the thickness you'd like. You can either make this quite pasty or fairly liquid. If it needs to travel you can also make up the garlic paste and add the liquid on-site. **I make my own bread crumbs by running white bread through the food processor. It's both cheaper and less gritty than the cans of "bread crumbs". ***I use this spice mix from the same source:LXXIV. Specie dolce per assay cosse bone e fine / LXXIV Sweet spices, enough for many good and fine things- my interpretation: 1/4 oz. cloves,1 oz. "good" ginger, 1 oz. "soft or sweet"cinnamon, 1 oz. Indian bay leaves Serves 4 garlic lovers or up to 8 flavor weenies. :) Also great made in big batches, as it's not delicate and won't break on you. If you want to make it easier you can used pre-peeled garlic in the same ratio and roast it in tin foil with a little water or in a covered dish with just a little water so it doesn?t dry out. For a 100 person wedding feast I've used about 10 heads of roasted garlic and went heavier on the raw crushed garlic and only had about 1/4 cup left over. For my brother's smaller wedding I used about 4 heads, and one of the attendees decided it was a great chip-dip, and BBQ glaze. :) You won't have the most romantic breath after eating it, but you probably won't get sick for at least a week either. Raffaella Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:11:47 -0400 From: "Daniel & Elizabeth Phelps" To: "Cooks within the SCA" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] substitutes for: garlic, cinnamon > So, IS there any substitute for garlic, or do you just plain leave it out? I've not been in on the previous discussions but regards garlic substitutes a quick search brought up the following suggestions and information. Shallots asafetida I've read that the use of Garlic is forbidden to Brahmins and Jains in India on religious and cultural grounds; they use Asafetida as a substitute. Garlic chives chopped green onion tops Daniel Edited by Mark S. Harris garlic-msg Page 28 of 28