flowers-msg - 2/13/08
Period flowers. Growing flowers.
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:41:30 EDT
From: <SNSpies at aol.com>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ku.edu
Subject: Re: help with roses
An excellent book for the history of roses is:
Rose, Graham and Peter King. "The Love of Roses: From Myth to Modern
Culture." London: Quiller Press, 1990.
Mistress Ingvild
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:17:09 -0400
From: Warren & Meredith Harmon <silveroak at juno.com>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ku.edu
Subject: Re: help with roses
An incredibly helpful book for me is _The Random House Book of Roses_,
Roger Phillips & Martyn Rix, 1988, ISBN 0-394-75867-6. I paid $27.50
down the street at the local botanical garden, along with a pamphlet on
the local Antique Rose Society (which is hiding in my house somewhere
right now...sorry, or I'd cite that one as well.
-Caro
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:31:38 -0400
From: Ron Charlotte <ronch2 at bellsouth.net>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ku.edu
Subject: Re: help with roses
>A friend of mine is doing research on roses from pre-Roman times thru
>the 1600s and is looking for any documentation material. Could anyone on
>the list assist me in locating books or journal articles? Thanks.
You can try _Antique Roses for the South_ by William C. Welch (isbn:
0-878333-732-7), which has a very good bibliography. _Roses for Dummies_
by Lance Walheim (isbn: 0-7645-5031-4) discusses the subject pretty
clearly, and has a lot of contact information for rose growers who favor
the antiques and old garden roses. _Growing Old-Fashioned Roses_ by Barbara
Lea Taylor is another good primer on the subject that has a good bibliography.
Ron Charlotte -- Gainesville, FL
ronch2 at bellsouth.net OR afn03234 at afn.org
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:10:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jenne Heise <jenne at mail.browser.net>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ku.edu
Subject: Re: help with roses
>A friend of mine is doing research on roses from pre-Roman times thru
>the 1600s and is looking for any documentation material. Could anyone on
>the list assist me in locating books or journal articles? Thanks.
Well, if you are looking for documentation about period roses (as opposed to handbooks on rose-growing) there is some material in _The Scented Garden_ by Eleanor Rohde.
Walafrid Strabo's Hortulus talks about Roses, so does Banckes' Herbal. I've never seen a copy of Crecenzi but if you go by the various books on medieval Gardens, he mentions Roses.
Two books to look at:
Landsberg, Sylvia. The Medieval Garden. (NY: Thames and Hudson, 1995)
Hobhouse, Penelope. Plants in Garden History: An Illustrated History of Plants and their Influence on Garden Styles from Ancient Egypt to the Present Day. (London: Pavilion, 1992).
--
Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, mka Jennifer Heise jenne at mail.browser.net
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: A&S Question -Rose hips
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:35:40 -0500
From: "Nathan Jones" <bigbeartx at msn.com>
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Joanna Montgomery wrote:
>I need to know how to harvest and prepare rose hips. I know somebody out
>nthere knows what to do with them. I have access to a bunch if I get them
>quick.
Harvesting rose hips is easy. When they are ripe in the Fall or Winter, you
pluck them from the bush. Try to pick the hips that are the deepest red or
orange that you can find. Preparing them is another story and I leave that
to Mari to go into if she desires.
However, there is no need to prepare rosehips to make them edible. They can
be eated fresh off of the bush for a tangy treat. They tend to be pretty
tart and tannic, much like a crabapple. (Not that suprising since apples
and roses are cousins.) They are very high in vitimin C, higher than oranges
proportionately. They can be dried and added to teas and such, or used
fresh.
If you want the hips for proprogation of roses, then that's also pretty easy
(sort of). Pick the hips when ripe, label and store in the crisper drawer
of your refridgerator. Keep them dark and cold for about six weeks. Then
take them out and let them warm up for a few weeks. You can remove the
seeds from the hips after you picked them, or after they have gone though
their first dormant period in the fridge. Place them in baggies, or plant
them in a sterile medium, keep them a bit moist, and put them back into the
fridge. [The purpose of this is that roses require a double dormancy in
order to sprout. Cold-Warm-Cold.] Take the seeds out of the fridge when
they begin to sprout and either plant them in a sterile medium, or, if
you've already done that, place in a protected area outside. When they have
grown enough to have a couple sets of true leaves, transplant into larger
containers.
If these are hips from last season, then they should be fine for harvesting
and will probably be dried and shriveled on the bush by now. If they are
green hips from this past Spring's flush, I agree with Mari and I doubt that
they are ready for harvest. Try to convince the owner not to prune them off
and leave them to ripen. They should be ready about October. (Oh, and if
you need a reason to convince the owner not to prune, let them know that
it's a bad time, the plant needs the reserves in that extra Spring growth to
help it get though the heat and dryness of the Summer.]
Giovanni di Cellini
From: "HICKS, MELISSA" <HICKS_M at casa.gov.au>
To: "'sca-cooks at ansteorra.org'" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] And now- for something completely different!- ros
e hips!
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:43:58 +1000
> What part of the rose it it's hip?
> Phillipa
The seed pod left over from when the petals have fallen off the flower. If
you don't "dead-head" your roses, the green base area swells and turns red
and contains seeds.
Mel.
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:46:50 +1000
From: "Craig Jones." <craig.jones at airservices.gov.au>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] And now- for something completely different!- ros e
hips!
To: "'sca-cooks at ansteorra.org'" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Organization: Airservices Australia
An extra note:
Watch the hairs contained within the hip, they can act as a powerful
irritant on the skin and mucus membranes of some people.
Drakey.
>The seed pod left over from when the petals have fallen off the flower. If
>you don't "dead-head" your roses, the green base area swells and turns red
>and contains seeds.
>
>Mel.
From: Liz / Cozit <cozit at home.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Help with Rose hips
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 05:33:42 GMT
Some roses produce better rose hips than others... both in size/appearance and
in taste.
They're ripe when they're quite red as a rule.... the redder the better in
general, but I've had them a bit underripe and not thought them too bad... then
again, I do the same with blueberries and blackberries, sometimes the less ripe
in the berries is better :-)
Storage, I can't help you with. I always had them off the plant only. I
remember my Grandfather cutting and eating them well into the fall at least...
if not later. He never harvested them, just picked as he wanted.
-Elisabeth
Stephen Vaught wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've read several sources that mention the use of rose hips. While my roses
> have produced nothing my neighbor's have exploded with the little buggers.
> I would like to harvest them but am unsure as to when they are "ripe", and
> how to store them. Could someone shed some light?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Steve
From: Maggie Forest <maggie at forest.gen.nz>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Help with Rose hips
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:22:12 +1300
Organization: ihug ( New Zealand )
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:31:14 GMT, "Stephen Vaught"
<bsrvaught at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I've read several sources that mention the use of rose hips. While my roses
>have produced nothing my neighbor's have exploded with the little buggers.
>I would like to harvest them but am unsure as to when they are "ripe", and
>how to store them. Could someone shed some light?
they should be bright red and fairly soft (how much depends on the
variety of rose). They're still ok if they start wrinkling a little,
but when they get really wrinkly and head into brown, they're past it.
Generally speaking, the more primitive the rose, the better the hip,
not just in size but in flavour. rosa rugosa is my favourite (but not
for picking!)
you can dry them in a food dehydrator, or even between kitchen paper
in the microwave. If you just leave them, they will go mouldy. I can't
see why you couldn't freeze them, although you may want to blanche
them off a little first. I've never done that - I've only ever used
fresh, or dried, or the powdered form you can buy in scandinavia for
drinks/soups.
/maggie
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:33:05 -0400
From: Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenn Heise <jenne at fiedlerfamily.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] rose color(s) in period?
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
> This made me wonder.Today we have roses in various shades and colors.
> Were all roses red in period or were there different colors? If so,
> which colors are recent and which were period?
Pink 'red' roses, damask (white) roses are the most mentioned. though I
believe there are yellow roses and striped roses by the time of Culpeper. I'll check Parkinson.
--
-- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne at fiedlerfamily.net
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:40:39 GMT
From: "rtanhil at fast.net" <rtanhil at fast.net>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Re: rose color(s) in perios
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
'Apothecary's Rose' is supposed to date from the 15th
century, and it's a single rose (5 petals), only blooms once
(deadheading might produce a second bloom, or it might
not--never had that species to try), and is red with a
yellow throat.
Keep in mind that most species with medieval
names--Damascus, Eglantyne, etc.--are actually 19th century
hybrids named after medieval types.
Berelinde
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:49:00 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Rose petal syrup
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
How about the Dover book on Rose Recipes?
Let's see--- Rose Recipes from Olden Times (Paperback)
by Eleanour Sinclair Rohde
</exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author-
exact=Eleanour%20Sinclair%20Rohde&rank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%
2C-daterank/002-4925771-1277620>
Johnnae
Sharon Gordon wrote:
> Does anyone make rose petal syrup? I'd appreciate any recipes or
> advice and also info on canning it.
>
> Sharon
> gordonse at one.net
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:30:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marcus Loidolt <mjloidolt at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Fwd: re night flowering herbs/flowers
To: sca-laurels at anesteorra.org, sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Benedicte,
Some one on one of these lists asked about night blooming flowers
in period...
Below is a list of such plants as mentioned in various period
herbals...thanks to Mistress Leanore deVertabors, OP, and Dame Megan
de Grinstead, OL. Neither of them are on these two lists..."too busy
digging in the dirt to sit inside and type!!" from Dame Megan, dirt
laurel....
Abot Johann von Metten, poultry laurel....
Elliepeli at aol.com wrote:
From: Elliepeli at aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:51:36 EDT
Subject: re night flowering herbs/flowers
To: mjloidolt at yahoo.com
Night flowering plants are pollinated primarily by a moth,Most
of the night flowers are scented
Evening Primrose (Oenothera bicennis)
Goat Leaf Honeysuckle (Lonicera caprifo;ium )
White Dittany(Dictammus albus)
Woodruff(Galium ordoratum)
Silverleaf Artimesia(Atimesia argentum)
Eryngos(Eryngium maritimum)
Santolina(also called Cotton Lavender---Santolinia chaecyparissus
Tobacco(Nictotinea )This is period only for 16th century)
Clary Sage (Salvia Sclarea)
Garland .Sarah,The Herb Garden,New York Botanical Garden
Institute, New York,1984
ISBN 014046.690 8 see pgs 74-75
Wells, Diana 100 Flowers and how they got their names,Past
Times,Workman.New York,1997,ISBN 1-56512-138-4 pgs 93,209-210
Grieve,Margaret-A Modern Herbal (Dover Books,reprint1971 TSBN
0-486-22798-7
good info on cultivation-use only as jumping off point-uses very
modern discriptions Linnean classifications-Where she quotes
Pliny,Gerad or Culpepper-go to them not the Grieve summary
Ellie
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