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ambergris-msg - 10/17/13

 

The use of ambergris in period. amber of grece. Ambergris is the excretion of whales that is composed of the undigested remains of cuttlefish.

 

NOTE: See also the files: gums-resins-msg, spices-msg, merch-spices-msg, p-herbals-msg, seeds-msg, incense-msg, Perfumes-bib, perfumes-msg.

 

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From: "HICKS, MELISSA" <HICKS_M at casa.gov.au>

To: "'sca-cooks at ansteorra.org'" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Subject: RE: Re: [Sca-cooks] online glossary

Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:58:10 +1000

 

It is also used in some very late period jam and confectionary recipes.  I

think there's one in Fettiplace. I'll dig it out tonight if no-one posts a

recipe in the meantime.

 

Mel.

 

> > >amber of grece, ambergris

> > I think my memory's not working right, because something tells

> > me this is a whale by-product, and that doesn't seem right somehow.

> Nothing wrong with your memory.  It's from whales, and is

> used primarily as an ingredient in perfumes.

> Thorvald

 

 

From: "Elise Fleming" <alysk at ix.netcom.com>

To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:59:40 -0500

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Re: On Line Glossary

 

Query and one response:

 

> >amber of grece, ambergris

>> I think my memory's not working right, because something tells

>> me this is a whale by-product, and that doesn't seem right

somehow.

 

>Nothing wrong with your memory.  It's from whales, and is used primarily

>as an ingredient in perfumes.

 

It was also used in confections in late period - Tudor (IIRC),

Stuart, Jacobean, along with musk.  I've seen it as an ingredient in

sugar/gum paste.

 

Alys Katharine

 

 

Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:49:48 -0400

From: Elaine Koogler <ekoogler at chesapeake.net>

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] online glossary

 

I know that it appears in some of the recipes from Elizabethan times.  When I

did a feast last year from that period, I found the following in the Folger

Library's catalogue which included a reprint of recipes from Sarah Longe's

Receipt Booke:

 

p.  19, Mrs Sarah Longe her Receipt Booke [c. 1610] from Fooles and

Fricassees:  Food in Shakespeare=92s England (Published by the Folger

Shakespeare Library, Washington, DC, 1999)

 

Take a pound of Almons, blanch them, then beate them in a morter [;] then put

in a little rosewater to them, that they may not turn to an Oyle in their

beating; when they are beaten very small take them up and put them into a Dish

[;] then take half a pound of sugar beaten very small and put to them the

whites of 4 Eggs, with a little Quantity of musk, and Ambergrease [;] then

beat it altogether a quarter of an hour, then put it upon papers in what

fashion you will.  You must be carefull in the making of it, that it be not

coloured to[o] much.

 

I omitted both the musk and Ambergris as the only place I could find either

one was a perfume supply house.  I knew that the ambergris was synthetic and

worried about using it in food.

 

Kiri

 

 

From: Devra at aol.com

Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:27:56 EDT

To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Re: Sca-cooks digest, Ambergris

 

Actually, both ambergris and musk show up in several of the original recipes in DINING WITH WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE.  I never did figure out what to substitute for that...I don't know whether the artificial musk is edible.

 

Devra the Baker

 

 

From: Christina Nevin <cnevin at caci.co.uk>

To: "'SCA Cookslist'" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] online glossary

Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:57:55 +0100

 

        "Cindy M. Renfrow" wrote:

        Here are a few more terms to kick around.  If you have sources and

        alternate spellings please send them along.

 

        amber of grece, ambergris

 

No references to it yet, but I do have a photo of some here:

http://www.geocities.com/~thorngrove/ambergris.jpg

 

Lucrezia

 

 

Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:47:21 -0700 (PDT)

From: Chris Stanifer <jugglethis at yahoo.com>

Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] strange recipe

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

--- dale elliott <el2iot2 at mail.com> wrote:

> Question:  Where do you buy Whale Barf<ambergrise>?

> Radei

 

http://www.profumo.it/perfume/prodotto.asp?pid=2955&;lang=en

 

or, you can find it floating on the waves for free...

 

WdG

 

 

Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:37:24 -0700

From: lilinah at earthlink.net

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] strange recipe

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

 

"dale elliott" <el2iot2 at mail.com> wrote:

> Question:  Where do you buy Whale Barf<ambergrise>?

> Radei

 

Ambergris is not really whale barf. I realize you were being

humorous, but i don't want lurkers to be led astray.

 

The sperm whale is the largest toothed whale and does not have a

baleen, which is a sort of filter. Instead, it eats various things

that have hard  and sharp parts that are not digested, like squid

beaks. Ambergris is a waxy substance produced to coat these hard

sharp bits so they don't injure the whale's digestive system. Yes, it

is regurgitated. But barf as i think of it is food you eat and

started to digest in your stomach, but for various reasons have

vomited up. Ambergris is rather different than partially digested

food mixed with stomach acids.

--  

Urtatim, formerly Anahita

 

 

Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:53:49 -0400

From: Kerri Martinsen <kerrimart at cablespeed.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] ambergris

To: SCA Cooks <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

If you are looking at it for perfume, you can purchase faux ambergris from

perfume supply sellers.   I wouldn't eat it though...

 

http://www.alchemy-works.com/incense_ambergris.html

 

Vitha

 

 

Subject: [SCACreativeFrugality] Digest Number 656

Date: February 18, 2009 3:28:44 AM CST

To:   SCACreativeFrugality at yahoogroups.com

Re: ambergris

From: "Dr. Carus" darlingg at activematerials.ca newalchemist2001

 

Well, I did find a source for beach-harvested ambergris, in New Zealand

(http://www.ambergris.co.nz/), but their minimum order far exceeds my

needs. Possibly some interested Merchant might stock from there, to then

accept small orders from myself and others...?

 

Dr. Carus of Burn Abbey

Past Baroness' Champion of Science (Lions Gate), 2008-05 to 2008-11

mka...

Mr. Graham D. Darling, Ph.D.

 

 

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 00:08:02 -0400

From: ranvaig at columbus.rr.com

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] ambergris

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

<<< There is an individual on the SCA Creative Frugality list looking for a source. I seem to remember he was looking for rather small quantities of various items for a spice class. >>>

 

I've seen this site mentioned.  The price is $20 per gram, with a minimum purchase of 4 grams, including postage and packing.

http://www.ambergris.co.nz/

 

Ranvaig

 

 

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:01:27 -0400

From: "Daniel & Elizabeth Phelps" <dephelps at embarqmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] ambergris

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

Regards ambergis this bit of infornation gleaned from the web.  Perhaps it

will help:

Ambergris occurs as a biliary secretion of the intestines of the sperm

whale, and can be found floating upon the sea, or in the sand near the

coast. It is also sometimes found in the abdomens of whales. Because giant

squids' beaks have been found embedded within lumps of ambergris, scientists

have theorized that the whale's intestine produces the substance as a means

of easing the passage of hard, sharp objects that the whale might have

inadvertently eaten.

 

Ambergris can be found in the Atlantic Ocean; on the coasts of Brazil and

Madagascar; and on the coast of Africa, of the East Indies, The Maldives,

mainland China, Japan, India, Australia, New Zealand and the Molucca

islands. Most commercially collected ambergris comes from the Bahama Islands

and Providence Island in the Caribbean.

 

Bernard PERRIN Courtage

Z.I. des Bois de Grasse

B.P. 91006 - Arthes

06131 GRASSE Cedex

FRANCE

 

Expert in selling and buying WHALE AMBERGRIS

Telephone: +33 611745109

Fax: +33 493 709061

Mail: expert at ambergris.fr

 

SELL YOUR AMBERGRIS TO WWW.PROFUMO.IT

 

for expertise on quality and selling your find of please contact us

Tel:  00 39 0541 86 30 13

Skype username: profumo.it

profumo at profumo.it

 

In Italian: Ambra grigia

 

In French: Ambregris

 

See also: www.buyandsellambergris.com

 

Daniel

 

 

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:37:25 -0400

From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] ambergris

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

I hadn't paid any attention to this thread but yes I think you are right.

It says here:

"Ambergris falls under the Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972 and is

illegal to import in the U.S.A."

http://www.netstrider.com/documents/ambergris/subject_encyclopedias/index.html

It's the same law that makes importing whalebone examples illegal too.

 

Johnnae

 

Beth Ann Bretter wrote:

<<< I haven't been a merchant for almost two years so my information is a little out of date, but isn't ambergris illegal for sale inside the US?

 

Peyton >>>

 

 

From: Arianwen ferch Arthur <caer_mab at yahoo.com>

Date: March 23, 2009 1:30:38 AM CDT

To: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com

 

I believe Pan's Pantry has ambergris  (UK though)

 

the Wise Woman might also...

 

Arianwen ferch Arthur

 

 

Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:34:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00)

From: lilinah at earthlink.net

To: SCA-Cooks <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Book on Ambergris

 

Daniel wrote:

<<< This links to a short article on ambergris. It is my understanding that sperm whale sputum

was occasionally used in period as a culinary ingredient.

 

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2012/05/why-you-really-should-have-heard-of-ambergris.html >>>

 

US$20/gram? Cool, i can afford that! (as if i could find it anywhere) According to the memoirs of a very wealthy 20th c. Ottoman woman i was reading, one only needs to dip the end of a toothpick in it to flavor a dish for 4-6.

 

It isn't really sputum, since it is created in the gut. And it isn't vomit, as i've heard some people call it, even though it is often expelled through the mouth. It's waxy, and protects the whales' innards from undigestible sharp squid beaks.

 

BTW, the musk lifesavers worked out quite well in the cookies - i should have added more to the meat. So i recommend them to anyone who finds a recipe that includes musk and sugar.

 

Johnna found a place that wholesales musk flavor by the *liter* - which i could never use up, so i didn't inquire about the price. But it was in Australia, so shipping would take a long time and likely be crazy expensive, and i don't know about getting it through customs, and i don't have a wholesale license.

 

Urtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM)

the persona formerly known as Anahita

 

 

Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:22:15 -0700 (PDT)

From: Donna Green <donnaegreen at yahoo.com>

To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Book on Ambergris

 

I have not yet purchased any, but I know someone who has gotten ambergris from this company http://www.ambergris.co.nz/buy.htm?and was satisfied with what they bought.

 

I do plan on getting some ambergris to play with sometime ... perhaps for the sweets course of PPF3.

 

Juana Isabella

 

 

Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:27:26 -0400

From: Suey <lordhunt at gmail.com>

To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Book on Ambergris

 

My blog "Ambar gris with Lord Conway's recipe for ambergris pudding" was

published on September 20, 2011 and can be found at:

http://www.medievalspanishchef.com/2011/09/ambar-gris-with-lord-conways-recipe-for.html

 

Not only does it give the recipe but it also explains usage of it as an

ingredient in food preparations.

 

Suey

 

 

Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:34:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00)

From: lilinah at earthlink.net

To: SCA-Cooks <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Book on Ambergris

 

Daniel wrote:

<<< This links to a short article on ambergris. It is my understanding that sperm whale sputum

was occasionally used in period as a culinary ingredient.

 

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/culturelab/2012/05/why-you-really-should-have-heard-of-ambergris.html >>>

 

US$20/gram? Cool, i can afford that! (as if i could find it anywhere) According to the memoirs of a very wealthy 20th c. Ottoman woman i was reading, one only needs to dip the end of a toothpick in it to flavor a dish for 4-6.

 

It isn't really sputum, since it is created in the gut. And it isn't vomit, as i've heard some people call it, even though it is often expelled through the mouth. It's waxy, and protects the whales' innards from undigestible sharp squid beaks.

 

BTW, the musk lifesavers worked out quite well in the cookies - i should have added more to the meat. So i recommend them to anyone who finds a recipe that includes musk and sugar.

 

Johnna found a place that wholesales musk flavor by the *liter* - which i could never use up, so i didn't inquire about the price. But it was in Australia, so shipping would take a long time and likely be crazy expensive, and i don't know about getting it through customs, and i don't have a wholesale license.

 

Urtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM)

the persona formerly known as Anahita

 

 

Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:22:15 -0700 (PDT)

From: Donna Green <donnaegreen at yahoo.com>

To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Book on Ambergris

 

I have not yet purchased any, but I know someone who has gotten ambergris from this company http://www.ambergris.co.nz/buy.htm?and was satisfied with what they bought.

 

I do plan on getting some ambergris to play with sometime ... perhaps for the sweets course of PPF3.

 

Juana Isabella

 

 

Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:27:26 -0400

From: Suey <lordhunt at gmail.com>

To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Book on Ambergris

 

My blog "Ambar gris with Lord Conway's recipe for ambergris pudding" was

published on September 20, 2011 and can be found at:

http://www.medievalspanishchef.com/2011/09/ambar-gris-with-lord-conways-recipe-for.html

 

Not only does it give the recipe but it also explains usage of it as an

ingredient in food preparations.

 

Suey

 

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