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Sources for medieval songs. Book reviews.
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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 19:59:18 EDT
From: John A. Jordan Ii. <JJ9262A at auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Song Sources
Since there are two requests for this info I'll post my response. There
are several BBSes that carry song books. I'll recommend them in the order
that I think you should try them. Be advised that these boards may be
long-distance phone calls. However, it's possible to get several hundred
SCA-related songs for about ten dollars in phone bills. I think it's worth
it.
Herald's Point (214) 699-0057 Still the best. All the other boards
you will access will have one or two songs that this one doesn't. It
will take about three hours at 2400 Baud to download all the songfiles.
This board courtesy of Tadhg and Stephen. Thanks guys.
SCRIBE (214) 826-8141 A newer board. A good collection of Welsh songs
in the original Welsh. Probably the second best board for songs that
I've seen.
London (407) 895-1335 This board's been around forever. Good selection.
Operated by SCAdians. Sorry Matt, I don't know your persona tag.
TIDMADT (703) 370-7053 or Cathouse (703) 659-2845 (?) Good boards.
Good selections. Time limits. You'll have to drop the sysop a check
to pay for extended time sufficient to download all their song files.
None of the above boards require voice validation. They are very friendly,
well run, and frequented by intelligent users. For other sources, check
your phonebook and look for Traditional Music Shops or shops that cater to
the irish music and folk music crowd. These shops generally have songbooks
and sheetmusic as well as all the tapes and CD's you can afford.
The Digital Tradition is a database which contains over 3,500 songs. It's
available via FTP (if you know how to do that. I don't.) or snail mail.
I will post the address tomorrow. Sorry, don't have it on me.
Finally, there are the mail-order sources. I don't know of any. Can
any Rialtans help out? It took me several months to compile this list,
I hope it helps you.
Jester of Anglesea
From: Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+ at andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Song/Music sources
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 09:28:00 -0400
Organization: Sophomore, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
I suggest that people interested in SCA-appropriate music contact
Random Factors, who carry a large variety of filk/folk and at least a half
dozen SCA-appropriate tapes, and in particular, all of Leslie Fish's
[the person who wrote almost all of the commonly used Kipling tunes in the SCA]
tapes. They're also going to be Leslie's publishers as of this July,
and last time I checked, they're planning at least 1-2 specifically
SCA tapes for next year, as well as a Monster book of all of Leslie's
music. [And, *no*, I don't know the details! Ask them! ;-]
They can be reached at ---
Mary.Creasey at f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
(or)
Random Factors
3754 W. 170th St
Torrance CA 90504-1204
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Song/Music sources
From: John A. Jordan Ii. <JJ9262A at auvm.american.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 17:31:40 EDT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
The Digital Tradition is a database of 3550 folk songs. 1500 of these
songs have the accompanying music (so I'm told). The database can be
downloaded via FTP at the site: ftp.uwp.edu
in the directory: /pub/music/folk/digital.tradition
There are also other music files in the /pub/music directory, including
a list of other ftp sites. FTP remains a mystery to me. If someone can
give me clear directions on how to use FTP and how to use the files once I
get them (so that I can put them on an IBM) then I'll see about distributing
copies to interested parties.
The database is also available via snail mail. Mail 3 HD disks to:
The Digital Tradition
28 Powell Street
Greenwich, CT 06831
Dick Greenhaus will kindly mail you the database and the neccessary
utilities. Make sure to include a self-addressed, stamped mailer so that
your disks get back to you. If you have any questions about the database
Dick can be reached at: dick%admiral.uucp at yale.edu and his voice phone is
(203) 531-7314. Please don't deluge him with calls and remember the time
difference when calling. He's being very nice about providing this service
for *free* and it would be a shame to blow a good thing for everyone.
Jester of Anglesea
"I know at least thirty songs, some of which I wrote. So how come
I can never think of a good one to sing?"
From: kristina at uclink.BErkeley.EDU (Kristina Eloisa Pereyra)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Sheet music for SCA Dances
Date: 23 Apr 1993 22:46:18 -0400
Organization: The Internet
There are at least two people in the SCA currently compiling dance music,
myself and Miklos Sandorfia, with the help of many. Miklos is the music
coordinator for Pennsic this year, and hopes to have as large a collection
by then as possible. I came up with the same idea independently about
three years ago and have been busily collecting, arranging, and typing it
into the computer ever since.
If you can't wait until Pennsic, write to me (privately) and we can snail
mail what I've collected so far. This will make you a guinea pig for some
new arrangements, but will keep you from playing "Hole in the Wall" ad
infinitum.
SCA Dance Music - Incomplete Set as of April 1993
kristina at uclink.berkeley.edu
I will gladly mail stuff out but can't speak for Miklos. He seems plenty
busy already.
Yours in service, Phaedria d'Aurillac
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: nsmca at aurora.alaska.edu
Subject: Net info Music/Recipes (FTP/TELNET/Mail)
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 21:47:11 GMT
Greeting all good people, for those who have FTP/TELNET access here is some
information on songs and instruments and where to get more.
FTP FTP.NEVADA.EDU
directory /pub/guitar
Guitar Chords/TAB
telnet rusinfo.rus.uni-stuttgart.de
login: info
offers: recipes/online cookbook.
ftp ftp.uwp.edu
dir: /pub/music/...
dir: /pub/lyrics
offers: lyrics, chords/Tablature, and music pictures.
ftp gatekeeper.dec.com or ftp mthvax.cs.miami.edu
dir: /pub/recipes
annonymous FTP site offering MANY food recipes.
mail mwilkenf at silver.ucs.indiana.edu
SUBJECT: BOOTHELP
(don't need FTP/TELNET for this one)
offers list of rare live recordings/CDs for sale.
mail listserv at vm.marist.edu (internet)
mail listserv at marist (bitnet)
body of letter: subscribe upnews <your fullname>
offers: reviews/interviews (Warning the info might be long so beware of irrate
sysops and such).
mail used-music-server at cd.ucsb.edu
w/subject: help
offers: buy/sell/trade CDs/LPs/Tapes or subscribe to the list (Warnign list
might be long so bewared of pissed off sysops).
Info presented here is found in Yanoff Internet Resources List.
If anythig is in error or does not work, send request to:
Yanoff at csd4.csd.uwm.edu
and ask for a list of your own, my typing is getting worse of late..
Yanoff is Scott Yanoff..
Later and have a good summer.
May the wind be at your back, and a safe journey to your final destination.
==
Michael Adams, nsmca at acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
From: Joe.Bethancourt at f148.n114.z1.tvbbs.UUCP (Joe Bethancourt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Songs for FTP
Date: Mon, 03 May 1993 15:54:14 -0700
From the FILK sig: This is where you can get my SCA song files:
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Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA
Reply-To: eoin at xocolatl.com
Many filk files are available from the mail based file-server at
the system xocolatl.com.
Send email to the address:
mail-server at xocolatl.com
With message body (subject is ignored):
help
index
This will automatically return to you the help & instruction file
and the index (listing) of available files on xocolatl.com.
Notes of interest:
The index was updated as of 4/26/93, if you have an older copy you may
want to request a new one.
I think this will work for a fidonet address. If you try it,
please email me directly on your success or how it failed.
I have all the filk related files from the Aerie, including the FFILEs
(1 through 21) and FFILE indexes, EXCEPT the archives of ALL the messages.
Many of Kathy Mar's lyric files are available.
Soon to be added are some of Joe Bethancourt's filk, celtic & SCA files.
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There is 350K per person per day limit.
Your first file request of your first message is allowed
to break that limit.
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From: Stephen.Whitis at f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: request for songs
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 23:31:14
>any period or periodish songs you may have in your repetoire will be
>greatly appreciated. if (time and) space allows, i will give credit to the
>good gentle forwards the song to the above address.
No email address posted which I could see, so Email isn't possible.
If you have a computer with a modem, calling 214-699-0057 will
connect you with Herald's Point BBS, where several bardic
collections are available for DL. (Even first time callers can
DL.) If you need permissions, then be sure to DL BARDBOOK.ZIP, a
collection I have gathered. Permission for any of my work is
granted, and I can probably hunt up permissions for quite a few of
the others, if needed.
And before anyone asks, no I don't know of any way to handle
Internet file transfers to or from our system. But if *you* do,
then email me. :^)
Stephen of the Grove
Steppes, Ansteorra FIDONET 1:124/4229
ocitor!Stephen.Whitis at rwsys.lonestar.org
From: Tony.Jordan at f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tony Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: WANTED: Tavern and filk songs.
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1993 17:33:38
The FTP sites don't have the songs *yet*. But there are several BBSes that do. Herald's Point in TX (214) 699-0057, London in FL (407) 895-1335, and TIDMADT in VA (703) 370-7054. There is also an FTP site that contains The Digital Tradition database. This is a compilation of roughly 4000 folk songs (lyrics only, tunes for about 1500 of 'em). I've forgotten the address of this database but you can get it by posting a message on rec.music.folk on the internet or sending e-mail to dick at admiral.uucp (Dick Greenhaus). You can also get this database by sending 3 HD disks (1.4 or 1.2 MB) and a stamped self-addressed mailer to the following address:
The Digital Tradition
28 Powell Street
Greenwich, CT 06831
Also, the FTP site that contains The Digital Tradition contains several other music archives that I have not had the time to explore.
Good Luck.
Jester of Anglesea
From: powers at cis.ohio-state.edu (william thomas powers)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Christmas Carols
Date: 22 Nov 1994 11:08:57 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
For folk seeking a more period existance; I just ran accross a book
_A Christmas Book_ "50 Carols and Poems from the 14th to the
17th Centuries" edited by Eleanor Sayre.
Note: many are in the original languages--including French, German, etc.
Would anyone like me to post a couple?
wilelm the smith
From: andrew at bransle.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Draskoy)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Christmas Carols
Date: 23 Nov 1994 20:19:05 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Having researched period carols somewhat, I've found the most authoritative
and complete secondary source available is the "New Oxford Book of Carols."
Here's a reference:
TITLE: The New Oxford book of carols / edited by Hugh Keyte and
Andrew Parrott ; associate editor, Clifford Bartlett
PUBLISHED: Oxford ; Toronto : Oxford University Press, c1992
DESCRIPTION: 1 close score (702 p.) ; 26 cm
ISBN: 0193533235
NOTES: Each carol followed by an English translation printed as
text, historical notes, and performance notes
NOTES: Includes bibliographical references (p. 684-693) and indexes
SUBJECT(S): Carols.
Christmas music.
OTHER ENTRIES: Keyte, Hugh
Miklos Sandorfia
andrew at bransle.ucs.mun.ca
From: hrjones at uclink.berkeley.edu (Heather Rose Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Christmas Carols
Date: 24 Nov 1994 03:44:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
A really wonderful source for those who want to go beyond the Christmas
theme in carols is:
Greene, Richard Leighton. "The Early English Carols" Oxford: The
Clarendon Press, 1977.
It claims to contain the lyrics to every known pre-17th century English
carol. The category headings are provacative: in addition to the usual
"Carols of the Advent", "Carols of the Nativity", "Carols to the Virgin"
etc., you find "Satirical Carols", "Carols of Women", "Carols of
Mariage", "Convivial Carols", "Political Carols", "Amorous Carols", etc.
The book's major disappointment is that it contains no music whatsoever.
Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: kjh at statsci.com (Kjrsten Henriksen)
Subject: Re: Christmas Carols
Organization: Statistical Sciences, Inc., Seattle, WA USA
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 22:12:58 GMT
malice here:
Allow me to second the reccomendation of the
New Oxford Book of Carols
It has a lot of very good stuff in it; the notes and appendices are
extensive, usefull, and well written.
Be aware, however, of the editors intentions---they are not SCA, they
aren't trying to win competitions. They are trying to give church
choirs and similar groups a broad variety of interesting, historical,
fun carols. So if they have several very close versions of a piece,
the version they give is likely to be a composite, and if they have
only a melody line of something that is clearly not plainsong, they
are likely to give a 4-part arrangement of it. If you carefully read
their notes you can generally tell what they've done.
If your library hasn't gotten a copy yet, you can still look at the
Oxford Book of Carols, now appearing in great numbers on remainderd
shelves. The NOBC is bigger, and has the advantage of several more
decades of musical scolarship, but the OBC was for its time what the
NOBC is now and if you want to know `is my favorite carol period' the
OBC will probably tell you.
regards,
malice
From: habura at rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie Habura)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Christmas Album
Date: 6 Dec 1994 21:15:42 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Hi, folks! Finally took a look at the Nifty Christmas Tape I bought last
January, and I thought you might like to hear about it.
It's by a group called Revels, Inc., which is based in Boston. The title
is _Sing we Now of Christmas_, and it has a very well-done selection of
songs, which aren't listed anywhere on the outside of the tape box. So,
if you're interested, here's the list:
A) Songs explicitly dated to Period
4) Nowel Syng We Bothe Al and Some (15th c. English)
6) Alleluya Psallat (13th c. English)
7) Orientis Partibus (strongly implied to be medieval French)
10) Make We Mery Bothe More and Lesse (13th c. English)
13) Amen (15th c. French)
14) Ave Rosa in Jericho (16th c. Czech)
16) Poslan Jest Od Boha Andel (16th c. Poland)
2b.) L'Homme Arme' (15th c. French)
3b.) Belle Qui Tiens ma Vie (1589, French) (yes, it's _that_ Belle Qui)
11b.) Pour Nous Remettre En Son Paradis (16th c. Provencal)
12b.) J'ai Vu le Loup, le Renard, le Lievre (14th c. French)
13b.) Ding-dong Merrily on High (Tune only, 16th c. French)
14b.) Vive le Roi (15th c. French)
16b.) Sing We Noel (16th c. French)
B) Songs explicitly dated to 17th and 18th c.
3) Alleluia (18th c. English)
11) Strike Up your Instruments of Joy (18th c. English)
15) Kol Slaven (18th c. Russian)
5b.) Il Est Ne' le Divin Enfant (17th c. French)
8b.) Les Anges Dans Nos Campagnes (17th c. French)
10b.) Guillaume, Prends Ton Tambourin (17th c. French)
C) Songs dated later than 18th c.
1) The Somerset Wassail (prob. 19th c. English)
8) Alleluia (19th c. French)
7b.) Hosanna (19th c. French)
D) Undated songs
2) Sans Day Holly Carol
5) St. Patrick's Breastplate
9) The Friendly Beasts (although the tune is that of Orientis Partibus)
12) Aro Que Nostre Seign'Es Nat
1b.) Mazoz Tzur
4b.) J'ay Ouy La Voix
6b.) Voici le Noel
9b.) Jesus Christ s'Habille en Pauvre
My personal favorites are the Sans Day Carol (although I have another version
I like better), Orientis Partibus, Strike Up your Instruments of Joy, and
Sing We Noel (which is _really_ dynamite.)
If you can't find the tape anywhere, the address of the company is:
Revels, Inc.
1 Kendall Square
Building 600
Cambridge, MA 02139
Enjoy!
Alison MacDermot
From: asamplas at indiana.edu (Vlad the Purple)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: singing period songs
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:40:15
Organization: Indiana University
Esmeralda responding to Erik of Grenloch:
>Also, there are many, many, (Thousands) of songs in English from our
>chosen period. Some are madrigals, others earlier.
Ah, er, um... I wouldn't go quite that far, or perhaps I'm not clear on what
you're calling period. Dobson + Harrison in their book _MEDIEVAL ENGLISH
SONGS_ list only about two dozen songs from before 1400 that survive with
music. The numbers increase for 15th c. and early-mid 16th c. songs, but
the vast majority of those, unless I'm very mistaken, are things like the
body of polyphonic carols, which have to be classified as art-music rather
than popular entertainment. The huge proliferation of English madrigals and
solo lute-songs only occurs after 1588, and trails off to about 1630. One
can argue whether most of those should be classified as Baroque rather than
Renaissance music, but I do not believe there are more than about a thousand
such in toto. Still a goodly-sized repertoire that should get more air-time
in the SCA than what usually gets sung around fires, but not "thousands".
(Perhaps it is just that coming from Cornell, aka the Land of Sagan, I saw
that line and automatically interpreted it as "billions and billions"... :)
Could you clarify what you consider the cutoff date?
-purple
Artie Samplaski Vlad the Purple
Indiana U. School of Music Myrkfaelinn Midrealm Accounts Rep.
asamplas at indiana.edu
From: asamplas at indiana.edu (Vlad the Purple)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: singing period songs
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:40:32
Organization: Indiana University
Esmeralda responding to my response to...:
>It looks like there's a couple of differences that I see here. I don't
>have a narrow definition of the word 'song'. For me a song is lyrics and
>music. So I call 'Weep, O mine eyes' a song even though both renderings
>that I've seen are for four voices.
Okay, that's a big source of difference. The borderline between "madrigal"
as polyphonic piece with textual repetition and parts coming in at different
points vs. "multi-part homophonic song" gets fuzzy. I was thinking more
along the lines of solo-song, altho as Dani pointed out, I'd still consider
the 15th c. polyphonic English carols more as "songs" because the text moves
in all parts at more or less the same time, even tho the melody lines are
pretty elaborate.
As for the pre-15th c. stuff, some of it is monophonic, some not. (There
are both solo & multi-voice versions of Angelus Ad Virginem, aka Gabriel
fram Heven King, e.g.) If Dani or someone in BMDL has a copy of Dobson +
Harrison, take a gander at it.
>I generally think of 'period' as stopping at 1600 even though that date
>doesn't have good application to different art forms. When art forms
>move from the renaissance to the baroque (or any other 'period' change)
>is a topic of much debate. Since our charter state 'pre-17th century' I
>tend to follow that guideline since I see no other as more useful to
>myself.
Good for you! Music does undergo a sea-change around 1600 rather than later,
altho there is still conservative, Ren.-style stuff being composed for a few
decades by some, so the 1600 cutoff date is better for music. (Yes, I know
this opens up a different barrel of worms - let's do that one in a different
thread, ok, guys?)
"Master Vlad"?? Ah, er, um - you know something I don't? Last I looked, the
only leaves I had were things that had fallen on me as I walked home from
class.
-purple
Artie Samplaski Vlad the Purple
Indiana U. School of Music Myrkfaelinn Midrealm Accounts Rep.
asamplas at indiana.edu
From: dmontuor at telenet.com (Dave Montuori)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: singing period songs
Date: 8 Dec 94 04:58:38 GMT
Organization: Alcatel Data Networks
Esmeralda, mka Andrea B Gansley-ortiz <abgst5+ at pitt.edu> wrote:
>I generally think of 'period' as stopping at 1600 even though that date
>doesn't have good application to different art forms. When art forms
>move from the renaissance to the baroque (or any other 'period' change)
>is a topic of much debate.
The start date usually given for Baroque music is 1600, the reason being
the Florentine Camerata and (by their commission?) Peri & Caccini's opera
"Euridice." It didn't take long for the new trend to sweep the art-music
world. Madrigals and other more "pop" forms of music, though no less
respectable, changed more slowly. To determine appropriateness of a song
written in the early 17th c., I'd have to listen to it and determine if
it's in a more Elizabethan or a more Baroque style; I'll not complain
about the former.
Evan da Collaureo, amateur musician. Go Sable Sackbuts.
Support the Great Atlantian Breeding Program (tm) - Drink Stierbach Water
dmontuor%telenet.UUCP at uunet.uu.net
From: ranauro at fas.harvard.edu (Michael Ranauro)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Elizabethan songbook
Date: 17 Mar 1995 13:03:01 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts
Dear All: For anyone who is in search of user-friendly collections of
period (in this case 1597-1622) music, I have edited and had published a
selection of Elizabethan lute-songs. The songs have all been transcribed
directly from the original printed songbooks, and are presented in modern
musical notation, with melody, complete lyrics, and accompaniment (the
accompaniment is presented in both standard notation and guitar
tablature, for all you guitarists out there). The book ("The First Part
of Songs or Ayres", Lordly Nightshade, 1992) is available for $10
(incl. shipping) from me at:
Michael Ranauro
4 Beckwith Circle (#2)
Somerville, MA 02143
Please feel free to email me if you have any questions concerning this book.
May the long time sun shine upon you,
Michael
ranauro at fas.harvard.edu
From: sherman at trln.lib.unc.edu (dennis r. sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Songs in Spanish
Date: 10 Nov 1995 14:43:18 GMT
Organization: Triangle Research Libraries Network
Greetings to the Rialto from Robyyan.
(who has been very buried in work, but pops up briefly on seeing a
subject header that I'm currently very interested)
In article <47t096$iij at panix2.panix.com>, dpeters at panix.com (D. Peters) writes:
>Oh, boy--there's *lots* of period Spanish music, and it's great stuff!
>[...lots of good suggestions deleted...]
>N.B. LOTS of recording of these things right now (because of Columbus
>quincentenary in '92. Go to your nearest Tower Records; they should have
>plenty for you to choose from....
A few specific recordings worth looking for (all CDs, some older, some
very recent, some vocal, some instrumental, most mixed):
Ensemble Alctraz, Visions and Miracles.
Elektra/Nonesuch 9 79180-2
Circa 1500, Music from the Spanish Kingdoms.
Musical Heritage Society 513259H
The Waverly Consort, 1492: Music from the Age of Discovery
EMI Classics D115591
La Nef, Music for Joan the Mad
Dorian Discovery DIS-80128
Sequentia, Vox Iberica I: Donnersohne/Sons of Thunder
Harmonia Mundi 05472-77199-2
And for something almost the same but a little different, music of the
Sephardim (Spanish Jews) usually in Ladino (Ladino is to Spanish as
Yiddish is to German, more or less):
La Rondinella, Songs of the Sephardim
Dorian Discovery DIS-80105
La Rondinella, A Song of David
Dorian Discovery DIS-80130
I bought most of these through BMG Music Service, a CD club that I think
is on the WWW somewhere, although I deal with them using the Postal
Service. They should generally be available through any record store.
And in addition to the excellent suggestions for sources for sheet music,
here are a few composers names to look for: Juan del Encina, Antonio de
Cabezo'n, Diego Ortiz, Francisco de la Torre.
Good luck. I'm greatly enjoying my explorations into listening to and
playing Spanish music. Hope you do to.
--
Robyyan Torr d'Elandris Kapellenberg, Windmaster's Hill Atlantia
Dennis R. Sherman Triangle Research Libraries Network
dennis_sherman at unc.edu Univ. of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
http://www.unc.edu/~sherman/robyyan.html
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: bq676 at torfree.net (Kristine E. Maitland)
Subject: Re: Period Songs in Spanish
Organization: Toronto Free-Net
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:55:39 GMT
Vale!
and here are two more cds:
_O Lusitano: Portuguese vilancetes, cantigas and romances_ Circa 1550
with Gerard Lesne (Virgin Classics
_Senhora del mundo: Spanish and Portuguese vihuela songs_
Sara Stowe (soprano -- a woman who looks too much like Madonna) and
Matthew Spring (vihuela)
Don't let the Portuguese fool you. Most of it was written in Spanish by
the 16th century (if the "s" at the end of a word sounds like "gshg" --
canto
Ines Carmen Maria de Freitas
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: dbullard at ivory.trentu.ca
Subject: Re: Period Songs in Spanish
Organization: Trent University, Peterborough
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:27:00 GMT
In article <4830vg$qri at newsbf02.news.aol.com>, gileshill at aol.com (Gileshill) writes:
>In article <47qitk$js8 at news1.inlink.com>, kolsoft <kolsoft at inlink.com>
>wrote:
>>>Does anyone have or know about any tapes/sheet music of Spanish
>>>folk/period songs? While my persona is Spanish, my knowledge of
>>>Spanish vocal music is limited to Mexican corridas and boleros
>>>(woefully out of period!!). I'd like to have some more authentic stuff
>>>to sing at bardic nights and post-revels
>
There is a Boston Group called Live Oak. In 1989, they recorded A CD called
the Lost Spindle, where they have taken period Cancionero - Castillian,
Catalan, Portugeuse French and Italian - songs and put them together to make
musical theatre. According to my jacket information, "LiveOak and Company is
a leader in the performance of early Spanish music. This is the ensemble's
fourth recording." I got my copy from the Musical Heritage Society, which has
a lot of recorded medieval music. Their 1800 number is 1(800)526-5008. (at
lesat in Canada. They are based in New Jersey, ande their fax is
(908)517-0438. If you contact them, they may know how you can contact LiveOak.
Good Luck.
Mikhailo Zavadovsky
Oy comamos y bebamos y cantemos y holguemos.
(Today let us eat and drink and sing and amuse ourselves)
From: dpeters at panix.com (D. Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Christmas Carols?
Date: 15 Jan 1996 17:25:07 -0500
Organization: Panix
Snorri Karlsson <snorri at gargamel.ptw.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know of a source for period Christmas carols? I know I'm
>getting started rather early, but I'd like to have my research completed
>before the next Christmas season.
You're in luck--there's lots of it, especially if you include related
material (written about St. Nicholas, the BVM, etc.). If you enjoy
spending great chunks of time in music libraries, you could search by
composer, or search through modern editions of period mss. (such as the
_Old Hall Manuscript_, etc.), but I would recommend starting with the
_Oxford Book of Carols_. Make sure it's the new, revised edition; it's
arranged chronologically, and is pretty good about attributing sources,
and is broader in scope than the earlier ed. (which seemed to be either
mostly "traditional" or standards from the Episcopal/Anglican hymnal).
I have a feeling that this was addressed in a thread sometime in the last
month or so; apologies to anyone who may have written or read words to
this effect before.
Pro musica (et mulsum!),
D.Peters
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: gl8f at fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Period Christmas Carols?
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
In article <snorri-1401961726580001 at loki30.ptw.com>,
Snorri Karlsson <snorri at gargamel.ptw.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know of a source for period Christmas carols? I know I'm
>getting started rather early, but I'd like to have my research completed
>before the next Christmas season.
The annotated music bibliography that I'm accumulating has a few
entries for carols, which I've reproduced here. If anyone has any
additions, please email me. The entire document is available on the
Web if you start at the main SCA server, and go to A&S and then
Music&Dance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Greene, Richard Leighton, ed. The Early English Carols.
Oxford: The Clarendon Press, 1977. ISBN 0-19-812715-4.
HRJ: [...] a collection of all known English carol lyrics from the
16th century and earlier, arranged generally by topic, and with an
excellant introduction on the nature and uses of the carol. Its only
major fault is in having no musical notation whatsoever, but in many
cases none is known for particular lyrics.
[ SH mentions that the music for 30 early carols is found in Robbins ]
Keyte, Hugh and Parrott, Andrew. The New Oxford Book of
Carols. Oxford University Press, 1992. ISBN 0-19-353323-5
$125. The Shorter New Oxford Book of Carols. Oxford
University Press, 1993. ISBN 0-19-353324-3. $16.95.
From an ad: The full book contains 201 carols, many in more than one
setting, both composed carols and folk carols. Concise notes on
background; bibliography. The shorter book contains 120 carols in 173
different settings, and is much cheaper.
Selections from this book are featured on EMI Classic's "The Carol
Album", "The Christmas Album", and "Carol Album 2".
Musica Britiannica.
vol 4 Medieval Carols
vol 36 Early Tudor Songs and Carols,
half-dozen solos, mostly 2-3 voices
Robbins, Rossell Hope, ed. Early English Christmas
Carols. Columbia University Press, 1961.
According to SH, contains music for 30 carols. Also refers to Stevens
as "the comparable [standard] work for the music of the carols". This
book is actually an 87-page score, with 3 pages of bibliography.
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:52:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Ben Tucker <btuck at minstrel.com>
To: Mark Harris <mark_harris at quickmail>
Subject: Re: FWD>RE>Ideas for an aspirin
Greetings Unto Stefan from Owen:
> I saw this message on the Rialto recently. So, what is the Northshield
> SongBook and how can I get a copy? If the idea behind it is for knowledge
> dispersement and not money making, would you be interested in letting me
> make it available with my other files in the SCA Rialto Files? I will
> of course, keep any credits in it and any copyright or copying restrictions
> notices intact.
The Singbook is a semi-commercial project ($10) The objective is to get
the material out there, but I need to cover my production costs. It is
a book of songs for singing in Northshield, not mostly about or by
the Northshieldings (though I wrote a few of them).
The content is mostly public domain (except for the few I wrote, which are
copyrighted -- but free to perform non-commercially).
However, the layout (typography) took some time and effort, and I don't
want people just making copies of it -- the book contains notation for all
but one of the songs in it.
In all it's 70 songs, 69 with music. Not Filk, mostly period or
pass-for-pgriod stuff.
Copies are $10 each. Checks payable to Ben Tucker.
Discount available on purchases of 5 or more copies.
There is also a "Well Versed Issue" of the Principality Newsletter, the
Northwatch, available for $5.50 available from Kenric Malmberg
<malmberg at badlands.nodak.efu>, the P. Chronicler. This issue contains
20+ songs *by* Northshieldings. There is little overlap between the two
volumes (only one song), and includes music for most of the songs (all the
non-filk ones).
______*______
) ) Ben Tucker
Owen Alun at )_____________) & (612) 872-2201
Wandering Minstrel \----------|-----------/ 2111 11th Ave. S
Northshield, Midrealm \_btuck at minstrel.com_/ Minneapolis, MN 55404
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:24:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Greg Lindahl" <lindahl at pbm.com>
To: minstrel at pbm.com, sca-arts at listproc.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: CA 91 (Early Child Ballads) on the web
Thanks to the author, Dani Zweig, the contents of Compleat
Anachronist # 91, Early Child Ballads, is now available on
the web.
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/ballads/
-- gb
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:10:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Greg Lindahl" <lindahl at pbm.com>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Musical reference material
> All three of the above are available in modern editions, edited by John
> Stevens (London, Musica Britannica Series, Vols XVIII, 1969, and XXXVI,
> 1975). Both of these volumes are available and currently in print.
In this series, there are also other volumes of interest. Here's
a list out of my early music bibliography:
vol 4 Medieval Carols
vol 6 Ayres for 4 voices (John Dowland),
many suitable for one voice, or one voice and one instrument
vol 15 Music of Scotland 1500-1700,
only 2 solos, which are post-period
vol 18 Music at the Court of Henry VIII,
all 2, 3, 4, 5+ part pieces
vol 36 Early Tudor Songs and Carols,
half-dozen solos, mostly 2-3 voices
vol 53-54 Collected English Lutenist Partsongs
vol 55 Elizabethan Keyboard Music
vol 62 Four-part Fantasias (Alfonso Ferrabosco [the Younger])
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/articles/music_bibliography.html
I believe that these volumes are pretty expensive, but most good
libraries should have them.
-- gb
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 08:44:46 -0600
From: "Deborah Sweet"<dssweet at okway.okstate.edu>
To: <ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG>
Subject: ANST - Troubadours was Bill de Provence
<I hope this helps. If anyone is interested in research on the
<Troubadours, I've tracked down some pretty good sources, and would be
<glad to help.
<Robert Fitzmorgan
<Barony of Northkeep
Here's a new book on troubadours:
Songs of the Troubadours and Trouveres: An Anthology of Poems and
Melodies. Edited by Samuel Rosenberg, Margaret Switten & Gerard Le
Vot. ISBN: 0-8153-1341-1. Garland Publishing. 1997.
- Translation of all texts
- 144 newly edited songs - most include musical text
- Includes audio CD of 12 pieces
$85.00
I found it in the Garland Music catalog that just came out this month.
Estrill
Subject: Re: ANST - Bard books
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 13:52:12 MST
From: HARMOSK at mapcoinc.com
To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG
As long as were talking about songs and such,
http://www.chivalry.com/cantaria/ is a great site! They have recordings
of most of the songs listed there, so you're not left thinking " well,
that's a great looking song, wonder how it sounds."
Sarah
Subject: Re: ANST - Bard books
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 23:30:56 MST
From: sjohns at mail.utexas.edu (Elaine Rien)
To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG
Try digging around Ioseph of Locksley's site. I got my copy of Stephen's
book off of his FTP site, which I no longer seem to have an address to. His
web page is at http://www.primenet.com/~ioseph
I tried to go digging around for it myself, but my connection is being a bit
flaky tonight for some reason.
Subject: Re: ANST - Looking for notes
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 99 13:53:20 MST
From: Brent Hanner <behanner at mindspring.com>
To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG
Pelfrey wrote:
> Does anyone know of web sites that have sca and or period music with notes.
> I can find lyrics all over the place but not the music.
I can't help you with websites but I know of a book that has some.
"The Songs of the Minnesinger, Prince Wizlaw of Rugen" Has not only
songs but also music. Wizlaw was a north German Prince around 1300.
And I happen to have the book in front of me and will for atleast a
few weeks longer because the library is closed until further notice.
Brent
Peder
From: Ester Mendes <celyn at drizzle.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Songs
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:47:41 -0700
Lord Richard Godfrey wrote:
> I am looking for Period Fighting songs. Or just Songs in general
I'll suggest the Agincourt Carol (Deo Gracias). I believe it appears
in:
Greenberg, Noah, music ed. and W.H. Auden and Chester Kallman, text
eds. An Elizabethan Songbook: Lute Songs, Madrigals and
Rounds. London: Faber & Faber, 1968.
It's a fairly standard work, so most libraries have it.
Spanish Romances of the Sixteenth Century by Thomas Binkley and Margit
Frenk has several pieces involving battles and dead knights. It's
published by Indiana University Press, 1995
(ISBN: 0-253-20964-1). The book has both Spanish lyrics and English
translations.
You might want to take a look at my Singer's Guide to Early Music,
kindly hosted by Greg Lindahl at
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/articles/singbib.html
Ester Mendes
(Kirsti Thomas)
celyn at drizzle.com
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:56:32 -0700
From: Elizabeth Young <lizyoung at fenris.net>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Period music
> Danielle Durham wrote:
> I am a new minister of A&S in the Barony of the Bridge in the East
> Kingdom. One of my main goals is to compile a collection of period
> music, mostly with lyrics. I have been having trouble finding sheet
> music. Could anyone recomend a source, i.e. a catalog, website, or
> good store in the area?
> Thanks,
> Baroness Aikaterine Lukanina of Haus Von Drachenklaue
www.bems.com (Boulder Early Music) Start with collections under vocal
music. Much of this is not period, but they do have period stuff in
there.
www.areditions.com (Early music publisher in Madison Wi). These may not
be what you are looking for, but I really like these editions. But
they're not cheap.
London Pro Musica editions. Call around to your local music store
(preferably one near a university/college w/ an early music program) to
see if they carry these editions. Also available from boulder.
'A'isha
--
'A'isha bint Khalil al-Herati
From: "j'lynn yeates" <jyeates at realtime.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: RE: ANST - Paging Her Excellency Xene!
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:07:13 -0500
> [mailto:owner-ansteorra at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Heather Ault
> ... I am looking for some period (Elizabethan) sheet music for
> flute and I am 0-5 so far. I've tried Mr. E's, Brooks-Mays and I've
> started looking on the internet.
maybe these links will be of use ....
Frank Music Company Classical Music of All Publishers
http://www.frankmusiccompany.com/
The Internet center for free sheet music downloads
The Free Sheet Music Ring
http://www.musicaviva.com/ring/index.html
Sheet Music Online
Tudor and Elizabethan Church Music Information Exchange
http://www.cul.co.uk/music/info.htm
VIRTUAL SHEET MUSIC
http://www.virtualsheetmusic.com/
'wolf
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Looking for some period songs for my son who is interested in Bardic
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:11:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain" <padraig_ruad2 at yahoo.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
--- Brown Chass <dwarvenhome at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Could someone please post an url for some period
> songs. My 9 year old son is very interested in Bardic
> and loves to sing and well i was told by a bard to
> encourage this in him (like i wouldn't anyway lol) so i
> am asking is there a page with period songs for d/l so
> he can know some?
>
> Charinthalis Del Sans Armorer Extrodinare
The SCA Minstrel Homepage has some good links at
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/minstrel.html
Also try the Mudcat Cafe at http://www.mudcat.org/ and
click on the Digital Tradition Folksong Database,
which has many period songs, and also try clicking on
The Mudcat Cafe for Kids.
In Service,
Padraig
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Looking for some period songs for my son who is interested in Bardic
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:43:12 -0400
From: "Lady Simone Ui'Dunlainghe" <lady_simone at code-works.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Here are a few of the On-line sources I have found hope they help.
Child Ballads (Child in this case is a reference source, not a young
person.)
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/ballads/child.html
Legends Ballads and Broadsides
http://legends.dm.net/ballads/index.html
The Ballad Index
http://www.csufresno.edu/folklore/BalladIndexTOC.html
Traditional Song Lyrics
http://www.bad-seed.org/caveinn/caveinn.shtml?/~cave/lyrics/traditional.lyrics.html
Sixteenth Century Ballads: A work in progress...
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/ballads/
If you want more sources PLease let me know I have many of them for
Song story and poem.
Lady Simone
From: Abby Sale <AntiSpam-asale at ft.newyorklife.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Digital Child Ballads CD
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:24:13 -0500
I happily pass on this message (ad) from Dick Greenhaus of Digital
Tradition fame. It's a goody worth invading the Group about. If
interested, reply directly to him. I have no interest in Camsco except as
a customer. If complaining, reply directly to me (de-spam my address).
Abby Sale
--
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:18:45 -0500
CAMSCO Music has just received an OK to sell the digital edition of
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performances from Jean Ritchie, Martin Carthy, Joan Baez, Louis Killen,
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As has been the case in the past, I'm trying to find out how many folk
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(3655) or E-mail me at dick at camsco.com
I wish I could just place a large order and hope for sales, but frankly
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dick greenhaus
CAMSCO Music
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida
To: Authentic_SCA at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Music
Posted by: "Greg Lindahl" lindahl at pbm.com wumpus02
Date: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:11 pm (PDT)
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:26:40PM -0000, Madeleine Delacroix wrote:
> My son is interested at playing at our upcoming Yule feast but
> trying to find music is killer, does anyone know of a good source of
> Medieval and Renaissance sheet music for a violin (I know, post period,
> but that is what he plays.)
Hello! The violin is pretty close to period: it achieved its current
shape in the late 1500s. The internals and bow and chin rest were
changed a bit after, but, it's reasonably close.
You can find lots of sheet music at:
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Music/
-- Gregory
To: Authentic_SCA at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Music
Posted by: "wodeford" wodeford at yahoo.com wodeford
Date: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:38 pm (PDT)
--- In Authentic_SCA at yahoogroups.com, "Madeleine Delacroix"
<madeleinedelacroix at ...> wrote:
> My son is interested at playing at our upcoming Yule feast but
> trying to find music is killer, does anyone know of a good source of
> Medieval and Renaissance sheet music for a violin (I know, post period,
> but that is what he plays.)
If you are looking specifically for Christmas themed music, may I
recommend the New Oxford Book of Christmas Carols. Runs about $30 new
in paperback, but SO worth it - a significant chunk of the songs in it
date to SCA period and there are copious notes with each piece as well.
Jehanne de Wodeford
West Kingdom
To: Authentic_SCA at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: 1Book of Music: 15th century French/German music
Posted by: "wodeford" wodeford at yahoo.com wodeford
Date: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:38 pm (PDT)
--- In Authentic_SCA at yahoogroups.com, "Jewel" <avani_pari2 at ...> wrote:
> Firstly, I am not sure if there are any period music books for me to
> start looking at to get ideas of what exactly I want to do. Does
> anyone know of any examples on-line?
http://www.diamm.ac.uk/index.html is an online library of medieval
music manuscripts. Get a log-in, it's worth it.
http://www.artlevine.com/15_16th_century.aspx has some midi files and
PDF notation available for download that fit your specified time period.
Must dash - I have a class this evening. Will post more as I think of
them.
Jehanne de Wodeford
West Kingdom
To: Authentic_SCA at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: 1Book of Music: 15th century French/German music
Posted by: "Ruth" blaze2242 at gmail.com blaze2242
Date: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:58 pm (PDT)
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Message order reversed:
--- In Authentic_SCA at yahoogroups.com, "Jewel" <avani_pari2 at ...> wrote:
> Firstly, I am not sure if there are any period music books for me to
> start looking at to get ideas of what exactly I want to do. Does
> anyone know of any examples on-line?
First of all, this sounds like an amazing project! And an ambitious
one. I wish you the best of luck.
One thing to keep in mind is that for much of the SCA period there was
not a standardized way of writing down music. From your post it is
unclear what level of knowledge you have about music and reading
music, so I apologize if this is information you already have. The
shape of notes and location of notes, as well as size and coloring
effected them, and it wasn't always the same from place to place.
Music was originally written down by religious men and women as a way
to document their liturgical music and teach it to others, so they
weren't necessarily making it so just anyone could sit down and read
it. Ballads, chansons, and more popular songs were often not written
down at all, and the bards of the time would not necessarily have know
how to write down music if they had wanted to. For ease of the modern
performing, I might recommend sacrificing some of the authenticity by
writing the music in a modern standard form, with medieval stylings.
Look at Gregorian chants etc. for how the music looked, and try and
utilize the aesthetics into the more standardized musical language.
This page has some later period links to scans.
http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/vatican.exhibit/exhibit/e-music/Music.html
http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/ssrg/medieval/mss/gallery.html has
some earlier manuscripts.
And this is an image that I particularly liked.
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper599/stills/o1u726b1.jpg
To: Authentic_SCA at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: 1Book of Music: 15th century French/German music
Posted by: "Cynthia J Ley" cley at juno.com
Date: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:41 pm (PDT)
try googling:
medieval Renaissance chansonniers online
I can't recall the URLs right at the moment, but I know there are some in
library and museum collections and are online.
Arlys
lower An Tir
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:12:17 +1100
From: "Zebee Johnstone" <zebeej at gmail.com>
Subject: [Lochac] 13thC songs
To: "The Shambles, the SCA Lochac mailing list" <lochac at sca.org.au>
http://magnatune.com/artists/briddes_roune
plays via flash or various stream formats including ogg for you FOSS types.
The lyrics to the first track are here
http://www.soton.ac.uk/~wpwt/harl2253/lenten/lenttext.htm
Makes me realise that in the 13thC I'd not speak the language...
I wonder though if the tempo should be upped, the song as interpreted
here is very gentle and almost victorian drawing-room, should it be a
roclicking "hurray, it's warm and the birds and the bees are doing
it"?
Silfren
From: Thomas von Holthausen <tvh.b3r.calontir at GMAIL.COM>
Date: December 29, 2009 5:32:02 PM CST
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: [CALONTIR] Ballads microencyclopedia
Those knowledgeable about our period's music may already be familiar with this site, but I was just looking for words to the Garry Owen [of Seventh Calvary fame] and stumbled on to it and find it worth sharing.
Dancers might also find it useful as it seems to have all the Child Ballads with tune and lyrics.
http://www.contemplator.com/history/epedia.html
--
Herr Thomas von Holthausen
Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
From: "Andrew O'Brien" <andrewob at GMAIL.COM>
Date: January 7, 2010 12:16:03 PM CST
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] Change to CD discussion
<<< 2010/1/7 Thomas von Holthausen <tvh.b3r.calontir at gmail.com>:
It seems to me to be a good idea to begin with those published in the
Compleat Anachronist.
What I have in mind is to learn five or six ballad melodies with the texts
from which they take their names when used elsewhere, then, for performance
purposes, learn a variety of texts to those melodies and try my hand at
writing new texts/lyrics.
Which half dozen ballad melodies, by common title, would you consider to be
the most widely known or used?
Herr Thomas von Holthausen
Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir >>>
That's a tough question. Like all things, it's going to come down to
personal preference, but I'm going to try and be broad-minded, here...
First off, Child # 200. Commonly called, "The Gypsy Laddy"
It's been recorded innumerable times, in innumerable variants,
including even making it into Laws' Broadside index as a separate
ballad. Steeleye Span recorded it as "BlackJack Davie," which isn't
bad, but for my money, I prefer, "Raggle Taggle Gypsy." If you can
find a version by Shannygannock, all the better.
Next, I'd go with Child #4, "Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight"
Another commonly told story. It's highly reminicient of the Perrault
story, "Bluebeard." If you can get hands on it, Danu does a great
version called, "The Outlandish Knight."
For number three, Child #10, "The Twa Sisters."
There are a pile of versions of this, one of the most widely
circulated being Loreena McKennit's "The Bonny Swans," which is a
highly truncated version of the song sung in a soaring soprano, which
has the issue of makind some of the words indistinct, as Sopranos are
oft wont to do, unfortunately. The original version I heard was off a
collection tape one of my Folklore profs had from interviews done in
Cape Breton in the late 70s, so I can't recommend you a definitive
version, only that Loreena's tune and the one from Dr. Lovelace's tape
were very similar, but the gent on the tape had more words to the
song.
At number four on this Classic Brittish Ballads countdown, we have,
Child #26, "The Three Ravens"
Nothing like a good, rousting tale of murder, abandonment, and
scavengers to make a man feel alive. The, I would posit, most
commonly-known version of this tune is, "The Twa Corbies." Another one
you can find done by Steeleye Span (A damned good version, too) or in
other sounces. In my opinion, it's not done often enough, but then, I
love a good tragedy. The original Child text and the more common,
"Twa Corbies" have some radical differences, with the Child bearing
elements found in versions of "Teh Rearguard's Lament," and even,
"Witch of the Westmoreland." IT's ultimately up to yourself whether or
not you want to go with an unfortunate dead guy, or a petrayed and
abandoned dead guy.
Coming in at #5, we have one everyone should know, thanks to S&G,
Child #2, "The Elfin Knight"
More commonly called, Scarborough Faire, it's a child ballad with a
lot of interesting twists and variances. In one version (I think it
might be the original Child), The Elvin Knight makes a load of
impossible demands of the Maiden (make me a Holland Shirt without
thread, etc), who in turn sets him his own tasks (Plowing the land,
etc) before she'll consent to attempt the shirt.Thousands of people
have recorded this, but the most common tune would be the S&G version,
"Parsley, Sage, Rosemary, and Thyme."
And rounding things out at #6, there's Child # 81, "The Little
Musgrave and Lady Barnard."
Most commonly called, "Matty Groves," or "Matthew Groves," this song
is something fo a folk staple. It even found its way into the movie
about Appelachian Folk Music, "The Songcatcher." It's a tale of
betrayal, comeuppance, sex, and murder. It's also a personal favourite
of my Pelican. If I had to recommend a version, I'd try and hunt up
one done by Billy Diamond, or, if you're extremely lucky, Anita Best.
Anita does the best I've heard, but I've only heard her do it live, so
that's a bit hard. She adds a kind of chorus line to the end of it.
Well... There you go. If I had to pick six, those would be my six.
Hope this helped.
-- Diarmaid O Briain
From: Mathurin Kerbusso <mathurin at CALONSOUND.INFO>
Date: January 7, 2010 5:03:53 PM CST
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] Change to CD discussion
Lorraine Gehring wrote:
<<< Mathurin has done some research about Child's collection. He is up to his
dupa in alligators at work today, but I'm sure he'd be happy to discuss
Child's ballads later. Drop him a line. >>>
I am not going to be able to go into any detail until probably long after
this thread dies, but the best (i.e., most likely closest to Period while
still being readily available) recordings of Child ballads are likely to
come from recordings by A.L. Lloyd, the Watersons, Waterson-Carthy, Martin
Carthy, or Eliza Carthy and their peers/contemporaries. Google those names
and follow the links to find other names that are escaping me at the
moment.
That branch of British Isles folk is based on an earlier folk revival that
was intent on preserving the originals intact, as collected. The later
movements that include Steeleye Span, Fairport Convention, etc. were
intent on bringing the music to more modern sensibilities. Both are great,
but they produce very different results.
--
Mathurin
From: Mathurin Kerbusso <mathurin at CALONSOUND.INFO>
Date: January 9, 2010 1:22:01 PM CST
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] Change to CD discussion
On 1/8/2010 10:58 AM, Thomas von Holthausen wrote:
<<< Thanks, this is just the sort of info I need to work with on Amazon. >>>
Just a few more things that might help, having a bit of time this morning to dig through my mp3 collection and bookmarks.
Some other artist's names to look for:
John Fleagle
Ewan MacColl
A catalogue of Child ballads, no tunes, but many of the lyric variants:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/eng/child/index.htm
A collection of links on the subject of Period ballads that I would be a fool to try and re-create:
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/ballads/
Some things to be aware of when dealing with the ballads in an SCA context (what follows is HIGHLY simplified):
Child collected all his ballads from extent texts. He did not collect tunes. He probably never heard any of them sung by a "native" singer. So all the tunes you will hear are from other sources, and may have been attached to the lyrics quite recently.
Child collected his ballads and songs in the 1880s and 1890s. But the ballads went through a couple of periods of -- anachronistic? -- influence Post Period.
The first was broadside printing (call the height of it the mid-1600s but well into the 1800s), when the printers snapped up anything they could set to type and sold it on the street. A lot of the ballads got rewritten many different ways and "prettied up" with language that the broadside writers and printers thought made them seem more antique, cultured, or whatever they thought would sell better. A lot of classical references got attached to folk ballads during this period.
The second was the Inclosure Acts (call it mid-1700s to early 1800s) which sent many of the peasantry into the cities. The music halls took the the old ballads that their new clientele expected and morphed them to fit the venue, instruments, and musical styles that had developed in the urban environment.
Both of these waves of change filtered back to the villages and got incorporated into the folk songs there.
Baring-Gould didn't see these inclusions as much of a problem . Sharp hated what he considered corruptions and tried to only collect versions that were "clean" -- in his opinion. Lloyd considered them important to the folk process and reveled in them.
Ravenscroft published some of them just post-Period so you can get a feel for the kind of changes that occurred in between. There are other similar sources for many of them. But just be aware there are varying levels of "authenticity" when it comes to the ballads, in case you start thinking about a more formal A&S entry.
--
Mathurin
"Non nobis solum"
From: Raymond Wickham <insidious565 at hotmail.com>
Date: September 10, 2010 11:11:37 PM CDT
To: <lochac at lochac.sca.org>, silfren <zebeej at gmail.com>, stefan <stefanlirous at austin.rr.com>, oonagh <oonaghme at bigpond.net.au>, melissa <melissa080888 at hotmail.com>, miguel heatwole <mheatwole at bigpond.com>, jodie <wakumallama at gmail.com>, crispin sexi <crispin at homemail.com.au>
Subject: roxburghe and pepys ballads made easy
this website has a search engine which brings up ballads by tune or names
there is a link on each entry with a performance of the work
Damocles
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 19:47:58 +1000
From: Zebee Johnstone <zebeej at gmail.com>
Subject: [Lochac] troubador song
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"
<lochac at lochac.sca.org>
performance, lyrics, and translation.
http://unlocked-wordhoard.blogspot.com/2011/05/farai-chansoneta-nueva.html
The translation could probably be sung to the tune....
Silfren
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:48:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Douglas Grant <epiphianos at yahoo.com>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] Songs for Bardic Circles
I recall having cassette tapes (it was that long ago...) for the 'standard songs all bards should know' when I was out in Caid...but most of those that I recall are now out of fashion (when was the last time someone played "Burden of the Crown" or "April Witch") - now I tend to just collect songbooks, of which Master Ioseph's "Black Book of Locksley" is, so far, the most exhaustive I have found, provided you know or can find the tune - while it is mostly filks, there are many original and period songs in there...and goodly bit of his poetry...
Additionally, check out www.imslp.org there is a lot of good, period songbooks there (I found all of Dowland's works...)...sorry I can't tell you more about the taps, but if anybody does find them, I want a copy!
Dughall-Eoghann LeGrannd
Shire of Spiaggia Levantina
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 19:06:43 +1000
From: Paul Sleigh <bat at flurf.net>
Subject: [Lochac] The Known Words
To: "Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list" <lochac at lochac.sca.org>
The Known Words is a songbook I've been producing, using, sharing and
occasionally selling for long enough that it's old enough now to drink, vote
and be shot at by uniformed foreigners. For some years now it's been
available for download at http://flurf.net/tkw, but for those who don't have
the time, paper or expensive ring-binding machine, I've made a print run of
the latest revision.
TKW: Second Ethereal Edition is just the same as the First Ethereal Edition
from 2008 or so, but with an extra song or two and a hell of a lot of fixed
typos. It's available for $20 plus postage (from Geeveston, Tasmania 7116)
which is pretty much cost price. You can see exactly what you're getting at
the above link; the printed version has a robust cover and ring-binding.
Let me know if you want some, at <bat at flurf.net>.
: Bat :
To: gleannabhann at yahoogroups.com
Subject: For people wishing to research dutch music .... or dutch culture ...
Posted by: "Eowyn Cenek" eowyn.cenek at gmail.com e_cenek
Date: Fri Sep 2, 2011 8:31 am ((PDT))
While avoiding work and procrastinating, I found I found the Dutch
Song Database (http://www.liederenbank.nl/resultaatlijst.php?zoek=1006826&;actie=lieduitbron&lan=en)
which includes all the known dutch medieval songs, including
information about the original source.
"The Meertens Institute
(http://www.meertens.knaw.nl/cms/index.php?option=com_content&;task=view&id=139558&Itemid=160&lang=en),
established in 1926, has been a research institute of the Royal
Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences (KNAW) since 1952. We study
the diversity in language and culture in the Netherlands. Our focus is
on contemporary research into factors that play a role in determining
social identities in the Dutch society."
Having just found the site, I am enjoying myself to the hilt. Please
note that babelfish and the other online translators typically dislike
old english. :)
Eowyn
From: Doug & Deb Kuehne <kuehned at OSAGE.NET>
Date: December 4, 2011 10:48:48 AM CST
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: [CALONTIR] 15th century communal songs
(watch the link wrap)
Brigida
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