St-Hildegard-msg - 5/12/09 St. Hildegard, Hildegard von Bingen, saint, writer. References. Recipes and music she wrote. NOTE: See also the files: saints-msg, p-herbals-msg, nuns-msg, religion-msg, pilgrimages-msg, relics-msg, song-sources-msg, music-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:01:08 -0600 From: "Decker, Terry D." Subject: SC - Hildegard von Bingen (Long) About 1150, Hildegard von Bingen wrote the first of two books on medicine and natural philosophy, Physica. This was later followed by Causae et Curae. The two books together are referred to as the Liber Subtilatum. Any recipes of interest to the list will probably be found in these two books. Translations of Hildegard's works are more common in German than English and her theological texts are more translated than her medical texts. For those with an interest in pursuing her work, a partial Library of Congress catalog list of available translations is appended. Bear Author: Hildegard, Saint, 1098-1179. Uniform Title: Physica. German Title: Naturkunde; das Buch von dem inneren Wesen der verschiedenen Naturen in der Schhopfung [von] Hildegard von Bingen. Nach den Quellen hubers. und erlhautert von Peter Riethe. Published: Salzburg, O. Mhuller [c1959] Description: 176 p. 24 cm. LC Call No.: QH41 .H5415 1959 Dewey No.: 500.9 Subjects: Natural history -- Pre-Linnean works. Control No.: 72219916 //r914 Author: Hildegard, Saint, 1098-1179. Uniform Title: De lapidus. German Title: Das Buch von den Steinen / Hildegard von Bingen ; nach den Quellen hubers. u. erl. v. Peter Riethe ; [24 Farbbilder nach Fotos v. Manfred Grohe]. Published: Salzburg : O. Mhuller, 1979. Description: 102, [1] p. : col. ill. ; 24 cm. LC Call No.: QE362 .H58 Notes: Translation of Physica, book 4, De lapidibus. Bibliography: p. 99-[103] Subjects: Mineralogy -- Early works to 1800. Petrology -- Early works to 1800. Other authors: Riethe, Peter, 1921- Control No.: 80479258 //r962 Author: Strehlow, Wighard, 1937- Title: Hildegard of Bingen's medicine / Wighard Strehlow & Gottfried Hertzka ; translated from the German by Karin Strehlow. Published: Santa Fe, N.M. : Bear & Co., c1988. Description: xxviii, 161 p. : ill. ; 22 cm. Series: Folk wisdom series LC Call No.: R144.H54 S77 1988 Dewey No.: 615.8/82 19 ISBN: 0939680440 (pbk.) : $9.95 Notes: Includes indexes. Subjects: Hildegard, Saint, 1098-1179. Medicine, Medieval. Homeopathy. Healers -- Germany -- Biography. Women mystics -- Germany -- Biography. Other authors: Hertzka, Gottfried, 1913- Control No.: 87027306 Author: Hildegard, Saint, 1098-1179. Uniform Title: Physica. German Title: Heilmittel : erste vollsthandige und wortgetreue Uebersetzung, bei der alle Handschriften berhucksichtigt sind / Hildegard von Bingen ; hubersetzt durch Marie-Louise Portmann. Published: Basel : Basler Hildegard-Gesellschaft, 1982- Description: v. ; 30 cm. LC Call No.: RS153 .H5515x 1982 Notes: Translation of: Physica. Includes bibliographies and indexes. 1. Lfg. Buch 3: Von den Bhaumen -- 2. Lfg. Buch 1: Von den Pflanzen (1-112) -- 3. Lfg. Buch 1: Von den Pflanzen (113-Ende) -- 4. Lfg. Buch 2, 4, 5: Elemente, Edelsteine, Fische. Subjects: Materia medica -- Early works to 1800. Botany, Medical -- Early works to 1800. Medicine, Medieval. Other authors: Portmann, Marie-Louise. Other authors: Basler Hildegard-Gesellschaft. Control No.: 88672371 Author: Hildegard, Saint, 1098-1179. Uniform Title: Causae et curae. English Title: Holistic healing / Hildegard of Bingen ; Manfred Pawlik, translator of Latin text ; Patrick Madigan, translator of German text ; John Kulas, translator of foreword ; Mary Palmquist and John Kulas, editors of English text. Published: Collegeville, Minn. : Liturgical Press, c1994. Description: xxii, 223 p. : ill. ; 23 cm. LC Call No.: R128 .H513 1994 Dewey No.: 610 20 ISBN: 0814622240 : $17.95 Notes: "This translation of Hildegard of Bingen's Causae et curae is based on a Latin text published in Leipzig by P. Kaiser in 1903 and translated into German [as Heilwissen] by Manfred Pawlik in 1989 (Pattloch Verlag). This German text is the basis for this English translation"--T.p. verso. Includes index. Subjects: Medicine, Medieval. Holistic medicine -- Early works to 1800. Other authors: Palmquist, Mary, 1914- Kulas, John S. (John Stanley), 1930- Madigan, Patrick, 1945- Control No.: 94001902 //r96 Author: Ritzmann Schilt, Lys Dorin. Title: Hildegard von Bingen : pflanzliche Heilmittel mit gynhakologisch-geburtshilflicher Indikation / von Lys Dorin Ritzmann Schilt. Published: Zhurich : Juris Druck + Verlag Dietikon, 1994. Description: 245 p. : ill. ; 23 cm. Series: Zhurcher medizingeschichtlicher Abhandlungen ; Nr. 259 LC Call No.: RG131 .R55 1994 Dewey No.: 618/.09 20 ISBN: 3260053743 Notes: Includes bibliography and indexes. English summary: p. 231. Subjects: Hildegard, Saint, 1098-1179. Materia medica, Vegetable -- History. Medicine, Medieval. Gynecology -- History. Obstetrics -- History. Control No.: 95127199 Author: Hildegard, Saint, 1098-1179. Uniform Title: De herbis. Middle High German Title: Das Speyerer Krhauterbuch mit den Heilpflanzen Hildegards von Bingen : eine Studie zur mittelhochdeutschen Physica-Rezeption mit kritischer Ausgabe des Textes / Barbara Fehringer. Published: Whurzburg : Khonigshausen & Neumann, c1994. Description: 231 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. Series: Whurzburger medizinhistorische Forschungen. Beiheft ; 2 LC Call No.: QK41 .H58 1994 Dewey No.: 615/.321 21 ISBN: 3884797719 Notes: Text in Middle High German; commentary in German. Thesis (Ph.D.)--Universithat Wurzburg, 1993. Includes bibliographical references (p. 214-231). Subjects: Herbals -- Early works to 1800. Medical plants -- Early works to 1800. Medicine, Medieval. Hildegard, Saint, 1098-1179. De herbis. Other authors: Fehringer, Barbara. Control No.: 95183640 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:36:14 -0800 From: Maryann Olson Subject: Re: SC - Nerve Bisquits??? On 8/9/98, I was forwarded an e-mail with the noted recipe with this notation: "Sound & Spirit Recipe for the Program "The Spirit of Hildegard." Some information about Hildegard followed, then this: "In a treatise on medicine, she provides a recipe for spice cookies: 'Eat them often,' she says, 'and they will calm every bitterness of heart and mind -- and your hearing and senses will open. Your mind will be joyous, and your senses purified, and harmful humours will diminish . . ." The recipe follows; however, it is titled "St. Hildegard's Cookies of Joy," with the note: "(Recipe reconstructed and adapted from Hildegard's circa 1157 treatise Physica: Liber Simplicis Medicinae." The note following the recipe states, "Recipe researched for Sound & Spirit by Jeffrey Nelson with the help of a gracious doctoral student who wished to remain anonymous." The recipe given follows: 3/4 cup butter or margarine (1 1/2 sticks) 1 cup brown sugar 1 egg 1 tsp baking powder 1/4 tsp salt 1 1/2 cups flour 1 tsp ground cinnamon 1 tsp ground nutmeg 1/2 tsp ground cloves "Let butter soften and then cream it with the brown sugar. Beat in the egg. Sift the dry ingredients. Add half the dry ingredients and mix. Add the other half and mix thoroughly. Dough may be chilled to make it workable. Heat oven to 350 (degrees). Form walnut sized balls of dough, place on greased and floured cookie sheet and press flat. Bake 12-15 minutes (till edges of are golden brown.) Cool for 5 minutes, remove from cookie sheet and finish cooling on racks." Gertraud Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:48:46 EST From: LrdRas at aol.com Subject: Re: SC - Hildegard von Bingen (Long) TerryD at Health.State.OK.US writes: << About 1150, Hildegard von Bingen wrote the first of two books on medicine and natural philosophy, Physica. This was later followed by Causae et Curae. >> She also wrote some wonderful music which as recently been put out on CD. Does anyone have any info on this or where the CD might be purchased? Ras Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:58:50 -0600 From: "Decker, Terry D." Subject: RE: SC - Hildegard von Bingen (Long) > She also wrote some wonderful music which as recently been put out on CD. > Does anyone have any info on this or where the CD might be purchased? > > Ras There are apparently several CDs available. Here's a pointer to a discography of Hildegard von Bingen: http://music.acu.edu./www/iawm/pages/MedDiscographyHild.html Amazon.com was not particularly helpful on the music, having only one title with one piece of her music. If I were seriously looking for the CDs, I would try stores which deal in religious music or music stores who will do catalog orders. Bear Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 07:15:09 EST From: WOLFMOMSCA at aol.com Subject: Re: SC - Hildegard von Bingen (Long) In a message dated 99-01-29 10:04:38 EST, Bear wrote: << Translations of Hildegard's works are more common in German than English and her theological texts are more translated than her medical texts. >> I know I wrote this up once a week or so ago, but I guess it never took to the list. The Physica has been translated into English for the first time by Priscilla Throop and is available through Healing Arts Press, One Park St, Rochester, VT 05767. The price is $25.00. Wolfmom Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:59:34 -0800 From: david friedman Subject: Re: SC - Nerve Bisquits??? I can't find them in the _Physica_ My copy of the Physica of Hildegard von Bingen arrived form Amazon.com. It is an interesting book, but I cannot find anything so far that looks at all like the "Nerve Bisquits" recipe that was posted. None of the index entries under sugar, and none of the pages that have entries for both nutmeg and cinnamon, is even close. There is, under the entry for cumin, an interesting recipe, however: One who suffers nausea should pulverise cumin with a third as much pepper and a quarter as much pimpernel. He should mix this powder with pure wheat flour, and make cookies, with egg yolk and a little water, either in a hot oven or under hot ashes. He should eat these cookies, as well as the cumin powder on bread, and it will suppress the hot and cold humors in his intestines, which cause his nausea. (pp. 19-20). David Friedman Professor of Law Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:49:54 -0800 (PST) From: Terri Spencer Subject: Re: SC - medicinal cooking For Hildegard von Bingen's medicinal writings, try: Hildegard Von Bingen's Physica : The Complete English Translation of Her Classic Work on Health and Healing Priscilla Throop (Translator) Paperback - 240 pages (October 1998) ISBN: 0892816619 It's not really recipes, more a listing of health problems/conditions with some humoral theory as to causes and her recommended treatments, including herbal remedies. Amazon.com has it, but their search engine doesn't want to admit it. My search also brought up this book: From Saint Hildegard's Kitchen : Foods of Health, Foods of Joy by Jany Fournier-Rosset List Price: $24.95 Hardcover - 224 pages (November 1999) Liguori Publications; ISBN: 0764804863 Has anyone seen/heard anything about it? Tara Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:53:29 +0100 From: [Removed upon request- Stefan] Subject: SC - Hildegard von Bingen / cookbook of Master Eberhard / new e-text Ana, you are quite right, there are a lot of German translations of Hildegard von Bingen, the major texts in the field of medicine and natural science being translated by Peter Riethe and Heinrich Schipperges, Scivias by Maura Böckeler. I did not study her medical texts very seriously up to now (I only read the stone book recently). Looking for what might be interesting for the cook, there are two types of text: - -- dietetic descriptions (of plants, fishes, birds, ...) - -- some recipes Now, it is interesting to see, that these texts were used by at least one 15th century German cook: Meister Eberhard of Landshut. He was the cook of the duke Eberhard of Landshut (thus he had a position somewhat similar to those of Chiquart, Martino or Maister Hanns; perhaps a bit more provincial). According to Melitta Weiss-Amer, Eberhard compiled his 'Kochbuch' from earlier cookbooks and from earlier medical texts, among them the text of Hildegard von Bingen (see Melitta Weiss-Amer: Die 'Physica' Hildegards von Bingen als Quelle für das 'Kochbuch Meister Eberhards', In: Sudhoffs Archiv 76, 1992, 87-96). Here are some texts: - -- first, a Latin example from Hildegard, quoted from the Patrologia-Latina-database (the original texts of Hildegard were published 1855 and 1882 in Migne's Patrologia latina, now available on CD-ROM). The text marked with [1] is a description of the dietetic nature of the goose, [2] is a recipe, [3] is a description of the dietetic nature of goose eggs. - -- then, a 15th century German recipe from Meister Eberhard - -- then, a rough English translation of the 15th century German recipe (remember that English is not my mother tongue) Here is, what Hildegard von Bingen wrote about goose: DE ANSERE. [1] Anser, scilicet gans, calidus est, et etiam de aere illo, de quo bestiae vivunt, et etiam de aquoso aere, qui ei pennas educit; sed alte volare non potest, quia de aere bestiarum habet, sed de aquoso aere in aqua libenter versatur, et mundis et immundis pascuis vescitur. Et propter hanc duplicem naturam caro ejus infirmis ad comedendum non valet, quia in homine multociens livorem et ulcera parat, velut scabiem et velut ulcera leprae similia quia inmundis interdum vescitur, sed homines qui sani sunt, carnes ejus comestas aliquo modo superare possunt. [2] Si quis autem anserem comedere vult, eam aut per tres aut per duas dies valde esurire permittat, ut mali humores qui in ea sunt evanescant, et tunc frumento nutriatur; et deinde occisa ad ignem assa, et cum assatur, selba et bonae aliae herbulae ei imponantur, et succus earum ipsam pertranseat, et etiam vino et aceto cum flabello semper aspergatur, ut sanguis de ea effluat, quia sagimen ejus comedi non debet, quoniam hominem infirmari facit, quia de malis humoribus inpinguatur. Et qui sanus est, eam hoc modo assatam modice ex ea comedat. Cocta autem in aqua ad esum hominis mala est, quia mali humores qui in ea sunt per aquam ita ipsi non auferuntur sicut ad ignem assata. [3] Ova autem ejus, quocunque modo parantur, ad esum hominis mala sunt, [quia scrophulas et alias multas infirmitates in homine parant add. ed.] Meister Eberhard 'adopted' parts of Hildegard's text for his cookbook and dietetics. Here is his recipe for preparing a goose in 15th century German (= Hildegard [2]): [24] Item hienach volgt, wie man ein ganß pratenn soll. So laß sie vor zwenn oder drej tag wol hungernn, das die bösen predenn, die in ir sein, her auß genn, vnd soll sie dann nernn mit kornn, vnd darnach tötte sie vnd prate sie pej dem fewerr. Vnd du solt dar ein stossen saluia vnd ander gut wu:ercz, das der safft dar durch gee, vnd man soll sie besprengenn mit wein oder mit essigk, das das schmalcz do vonn trieff. Wann das genß schmalcz soll man nit essenn, wann es macht den menschen krannck, wann die feistenn kumbt von böser feuchtigkeit. Vnd wer gesund ist, der soll die gans also gebratenn essenn, so schadt sie dester mynderr. Wer aber krannck ist, der soll wenig do von essenn. Wenn man sie kocht vnd seudt in wasser, so ist sie vngesund, wann dann so mügenn die bösen preden nit herauß genn von verhinderung wegen des wassers. Here is a rough English translation: 'Hereafter follows, how to roast a goose. You must not give the goose anything to eat for two or three days, so that the harmful vapors it contains go out, then feed it with cereals, kill, and roast it by the fire. And you must pound sage and other good spices into it, so that the gravy goes through it (?), and pour wine or vinegar over the goose, so that the fat/grease drips off. The reason: you must not eat the fat of geese, because it makes people sick, because the fat is built form harmful fluids. Healthy people may eat the goose roasted this way, so it will be less harmful. But he who is sick should eat only a small quantity of the goose. -- If you cook the goose in water it is still more harmful, because the harmful vapors are restrained by the water and thus cannot go out. The Feyl-edition of Meister Eberhards text is now online at: http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/feyl.htm or via: http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning (choose 'Alte Kochbücher') Again: I am not very familiar with Hildegard von Bingen nor is English my mother tongue, so be careful with what I said. Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:06:57 -0400 From: "Elaine Koogler" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Hildegard's dips? To: "Cooks within the SCA" I checked out the same book on Amazon. Turns out that they don't mention coffee or dips...maybe that was just Jessica's Biscuit's writer. According to a reviewer: Saint Hildegard lived in the 12th century. She was an abbess, a mystic, and eventually, a saint. Among the considerable writings she left are her thoughts and opinions on the spiritual as well as physical values of various foodstuffs. This rather unusual cookbook derives its recipes from these theological and visionary musings, although a few are directly from the saint herself. This is not a meat and potatoes diet at all, but surprisingly well-balanced, considering the limitations of medieval fare. There is an emphasis on greens and grains, especially that health food junkie's delight, spelt, a decidedly acquired taste. Dishes vary from the simple, using only a few ingredients to the much more complicated, requiring a very well stocked pantry. A few ingredients will be unfamiliar to most 21st century cooks in the Midwest. I doubt that many folks regularly cook with nettles, something we generally consider a weed these days, but St. Hildegard makes a omelet of them,praising their purgative, restorative, and stimulative virtues. While this slim volume may prove more for reading, than cooking, Chicken Cooked in Wine for the Heart and the Tunisian Ratatouille are quite delicious. So it would appear that the recipes aren't really her recipes, except in a few select cases...but are "derived" from her writings. While you still can't actually look inside the book and see some of the recipes, the reviewer, who is a librarian/historian/etc. and has reviewed a number of other books, does indicate that the recipes at least appear to use period ingredients. I don't think we could use this as documentation, is what I'm trying to say! Kiri On 9/13/07, Johnna Holloway wrote: > > I came across this description this am while browsing in > Jessica's Biscuit. The book was: From Saint Hildegard's Kitchen: Foods > Of Health, Foods Of Joy > Description reads: > Hildegard of Bingen (1098-1179) was a remarkable woman-a scholar, nun, > mystic, theologian, physician, and composer. She also possessed, by > means of heavenly visions, precious knowledge about human nutrition. > Here are hundreds of *her recipes* for meat, vegetables, salads, soups, > cereals, pastas, sauces, dips, beverages, jams, coffees, wines and > desserts. > Her recipes? > An twelfth century convent serving a selection of dips and coffees? > > Johnnae Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:09:35 -0400 From: "Mairi Ceilidh" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Hildegard's dips? To: "'Cooks within the SCA'" I own that one (yeah, I'll buy anything that has a recipe in it, and might contain a smattering of history). At the beginning there are notes on ingredients, some of which purport to actually quote Hildegard's writings on these things. At Pennsic I obtained Hildegard's Physice, The Complete English Translation of Her Classic Work on Health and Healing, translated by Priscilla Throop (thankyouverymuch, Devra). I haven't had time to look into it yet. Some year I'm going to finish settling into the new house and get back to the books. Anyway, I think my point is that the modern book isn't a total loss, but there's no real need to own it unless you are just trying to win the she-who-owns-the-most-cookbooks contest. Get with Devra and buy the Physica, if that is where your studies lead you. Oh, and Johnnae? Thanks for the memory jogger. Some day when I have some leisure I may look at these two books together and see if the modern author had actually ever looked at the original work. Mairi Ceilidh Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:19:59 +0200 From: " Ana Vald?s " Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Age in the Middle Ages (was Re: Hildegard's dips?) To: "Cooks within the SCA" Sorry I was a bit sloppy in my redaction! 40 years was possible not old, but Hildegarde was definitely old for her time's life expectations! She outlived four popes and three emperors, 81 years was definitely old in the 1100! See the ages of some of her contemporaneans, William the Conqueror, 1028-1087, Pope Urban the II, 1040-1099. Ana >> On Sep 13, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Ana Vald?s wrote: >>> She lived 81 years, an enormous lifespan at that >>> time when people were old at 40! >> >> Um ... no. >> >> [rant = on] >> >> The idea that people in the medieval period were "old" when they were >> in their forties is a gross misconception. Edited by Mark S. Harris St-Hildegard-msg Page 10 of 10