maps-msg - 4/11/19

Sources for old maps and reproductions.

NOTE: See also the files: info-sources-msg, calligraphy-msg, paper-msg,
parchment-msg, nav-inst-msg, ships-bib, med-ships-art, travel-msg.

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From: meg at tinhat.stonemarche.org (meg)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Maps of the Ancient World
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 01:37:56 EST
Organization: Stonemarche Network Co-op

If there ever was a place which would carry such an item, the Map Shop on 
High Street in Upton-on-Severn, Worcs. WR8 0PB.  I don't have the phone 
number, unfortunately, but you can probably get it from the directory.
They have the largest stock of usual and unusual maps I have ever seen. 
And if they don't have one, they will probably know who does.  
Good Luck!
Megan, who also is fascinated with old maps, especially of medieval 
cities and towns.

== 
In 1994: Linda Anfuso
In the Current Middle Ages: Megan ni Laine de Belle Rive  
In the SCA, Inc: sustaining member # 33644

                                YYY     YYY
meg at tinhat.stonemarche.org      |  YYYYY  |
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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: alr at nauvax.ucc.nau.edu (LADY ANNA)
Subject: RE: Maps of the Ancient World
Organization: Northern Arizona University
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 22:20:09 GMT

Greetings--
	Anyone interested in said maps might also try the National Geographic
Museum in Washington D.C.  I bought a really nice map of Medieval England
there when I went with Close-Up.  I don't know the address or phone number,
sorry.

Anna
alr at nauvax.ucc.nau.edu


From: salley at niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Historical Maps
Date: 4 Mar 94 14:22:23 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

To the gentle that was asking about historical maps;

For your map catalog:
Hammond, Inc.
515 Valley Street
Maplewood, New Jersey, USA 07040
1 (800) 526-4953
Warning: Following from 1989 catalog, YMMV

Under Antique Map Reproductions:
-------------------------------
WORLD AND AFRICA SET contains: double-hemisphere world map by John Speed,
[1651]; map of Africa from Blaeu's Grooten Atlas [1648-65].  0-8437-0207-9
Size: 24 3/4" x 16 1/4"  Each set: $9.95 

EUROPE AND WESTERN HEMISPHERE SET contains: map of Europe from Blaeu's Grooten 
Atlas [1648-65]; map of North and South America by Johannes Baptisa Homann,
[1732]. 0-8437-0202-8  Size: 24 3/4" x 16 1/4"  Each set: $9.95 

EUROPE NAVIGATION AND GREAT BRITAIN SET contains: Navigation Chart of Europe
by Peter Goos, [1668]; Great Britain and Ireland by John Speed, [1676].
Size: 24 3/4" x 16 1/4"  Each set: $9.95  0-8437-0203-6   

COLONIAL AMERICA AND NEW FRANCE SET contains: map of Colonial America by 
Louis Denis [1725-1794]; New France with Quebec city view, [1719]. 
Size: 24 3/4" x 16 1/4"  Each set: $9.95  0-8437-0206-0

Additionally, they list other interesting items such as; Historical Scotland,,
The Clans of Scotland wallchart, Clan Map of Scotland, Historical London,
Historical Wales, The Royal Map (Geneology of GB royal family), Cathedrals
and Abbeys, etc.  All in all, an interesting catalog.

                                                       - Dagonell

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat	    : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Internet    : salley at niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029


From: cjcannon at ucdavis.edu (7/18/94)
To: Mark Harris
CC: Gary Spechko, jag at cyberdex.cuc.ab.ca
Mail*Link® SMTP               RE>Medieval Maps Book

Dear Mark, and Greetings, m'Lord de Bethume,

   The information regarding the book on maps lies below:

LCCN: 94-20551   ISBN: 0876540809  LC's Call#: GA201.W48 1994

Whitfield, Peter.

  The image of the world : 20 centuries of world maps.

San Francisco : Pomegranate Artbooks in assoc. w. the British Library, 1994.

viii, 144 p. : ill. (chiefly col.), maps ; 29 cm.

1.  Cartography--History.   I.  British Library.

Price:  ca. 20 # U.K. or $31.00 US

My pleasure.

Yours,
Grannia Rua
[Carol J. Bell Cannon, cjcannon at ucdavis.edu]


From: "Martha A. Compton" <macpob1 at airmail.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Medieval Maps: Where to find them?
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:31:11 -0500

Jeff Foehringer wrote:
>      I am looking for reproductions of maps made before 1500.
> Yes, they exist.  I saw several decorating the walls of the Nitany Lion Inn
> at Penn State.  No one working there was able to tell me where they were
> purchased.  Anyone know the address of any stores where they can be
> purchased?

I an not aware of the reproductions you spoke of but, I would like to make you
aware of the following web sites   http://www.antiquemaps.co.uk/  &
http://www.buccaneer.net/mapsforsale.htm.  They have affordable period maps.
Yes!  I have seen some as little as $25.00!  Good luck.


Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:41:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: H B <nn3_shay at yahoo.com>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Maps of Medieval Paris

Who was it that wanted maps of Medival Paris??  It was a while ago, and
I cleared out the message after searching a few web sites I have
bookmarked on map collections and not finding it.  So, now I found some
-- in the Paris Pages, tourist info!  I don't recall the specific years
requested -- maps here from 1552, 1572, 1575, 1615, 1779, 1960 -- but
this is fun to look at anyway, so here's the URL:

http://paris.org/Maps/

-- Harriet


Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:23:01 -0500
From: "j'lynn yeates" <jyeates at realtime.net>
To: <sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu>
Subject: cartography: book recommendation

picked up a good work on ancient and medieval maps to research a
peripheral area that might be of interest to the readers of this
elist:

Charles H. Hapgood
_Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings_
1966 origional, 1996 current edition
ISBN 0-932813-42-9

initially i picked up this title to expand my library section on the
little know ancient "sea kings" who have always interested me.

the initial focus of this work is a intense examination and analysis
of the well-known Piri Reis map (redoscovered in 1929, dated to 1513,
created from many earlier maps assumed to have come from the great
libraries of the ancient world into Constantinople until it was
looted by the christians during the Fourth Crusade (1204 AD) ). 
this map and many other similar maps carry data that shows details
unknown until much later in the historical record, the 18th century
and some cases only in the last few decades.  this map is examined as
a whole and as it applies to specific detailed regions around the
globe. 

the book goes into detailed exploration of some of the more
tantalizing mysteries inherent in these maps .... accurate coastlines
of *all* continents and internal geographic features ... a ice free
antarctic coastline with accurate detailing of internal mountain
ranges and ocean/lake basins that are now ice covered (and have been
throughout our entire "current" historic record) and which have only
been recently mapped through the ice.. accurate cartography based on
magnetic alignments before mariner compasses were supposedly in use
... cartography based on spherical trignometry long before it was
assumed to exist ... map scales not based on any commonly used in the
meditterranean world ... "beringia", the now drowned land that
bridged the north america and asia continents is clearly shown   
.. and the details go on

in addition, the author heavily explores and contrasts *many* famous
maps from the worlds of the ancient & medieval periods as well as the
later "age of exploration".  in the process, he explores, contrasts
and explains many cartographic systems and their development.  the
text is liberally suplimented with wonderful maps of all periods and
all cultures.  the work is heavily supported and documented in a
massive appendix with a in depth section explaining spherical
trignometry as it relates to cartography, and as you would expect a
good index.

an interesting point that the author brings up, is that these maps
were readily available to the great navigators historically credited
with discovering portions of the globe, when they were only following
the tracks left by a unknown people who left their presence in all
corners of the globe. 

a highly recommended read for anyone interested in cartography,
historical maps, the age of exploration, catastrophy theory (the
author briefly discusses the controversial "crustal displacement"
theory that he devotes another book to exploring in detail) or the
great mysteries of our past.

'wolf


Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:37:15 -0700
From: Herr Malachias <capt_malachias at juno.com>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Cc: jyeates at realtime.net
Subject: Re: seeking: additional cartography resources

On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:12:50 -0500 "Kate Norris" <anezka at crosswinds.net>
writes:
> SCA-Cartography?  Where does one go to get on such a list?

Send a blank email to:

SCA-Cartography-subscribe at egroups.com

You may also be interested in SCA-Nautical, a nautical discussion list:

SCA-Nautical-subscribe at egroups.com

Herr Malachias von Morgenstern, Kapit‰n der Galatea
Syndic of the Loyal Guild of Saint Erasmus - We put the "Sea" in SCA!
Royal Artificer of the Kingdom of the West

capt_malachias <AT> juno.com


From: Susan <catmafia at hughes.net>
Date: September 3, 2006 12:25:20 PM CDT
To: Calon <CALONTIR at LISTSERV.UNL.EDU>, The Barony of Northkeep <northkeep at lists.ansteorra.org>, "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: [Ansteorra] A couple of maps that might be of interest

The 'Christian Knight' World Map, c1596
http://www.bl.uk/learning/artimages/maphist/war/christianknight/christianknight.html

Elizabeth I's Map of the British Isles and Western Europe, 1558
http://www.bl.uk/learning/artimages/maphist/war/british1558extract/britishisles.html

These are at the British Library, when you click on enlarge it will open 
the full map.
Susan the Curious


Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:33:25 +1200
From: Lila Richards <lilar at ihug.co.nz>
Subject: [Lochac] [Fwd: [LON] MAPCO Update : The City Of London As In
	Queen Elizabeth's Time]
To: "The Shambles, the SCA Lochac mailing list" <lochac at sca.org.au>

I thought some of you here might be interested in this. It can be 
enlarged in segments to show different areas in detail.

John Strype's map entitled 'The City Of London As In Queen
Elizabeth's Time' is now on display:

http://archivemaps.com/mapco/londonstrype/strype.htm

This pretty little map (printed in 1720) affords a fascinating
glimpse of Elizabethan London. The hand colouring on this map is
exquisite, so it is well worth seeing this map just for its intrinsic 
beauty.


From: katherine watson <katherin.watson at att.net>
Date: January 3, 2010 12:59:14 PM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] need picture of spanish land grant, republic of Texas land grant

Lady Stephanie,

Try this site - Perry-Castañeda Library Map Collection, University of Texas  at  Austin - http://lib.utexas.edu/maps/
 
This site has one of the premier map collections with a large majority of the maps digitized.

 
Caitilin inghean Ronan ui Chellaigh


From: Stephanie Smith <lambdakennels1 at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 12:22:04 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] need picture of spanish land grant, republic of Texas land grant

Pray forgive the intrusion, but I need a picture of a Spanish land grant and
a picture of a Republic of Texas land grant.  Can someone kindly direct me
to a source?

Lady Stephanie Lilburn
-- 
Stephanie S Smith, Ph.D.
Hunt County, Texas, USA
www.lambdafarm.mysite.com
Owned by a Standard Poodle and an Australian Cattle Dog


From: Coblaith Muimnech <Coblaith at sbcglobal.net>
Date: December 27, 2010 4:52:24 PM CST
To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: [Bryn-gwlad] 16th-century map of Mexico

I seem to remember that Candlemas is set in 16th-century Mexico.  (I tried to double-check, but though the event is only a month away there doesn't appear to be any information about it online.  At least, the baronial site doesn't link to any.)  If that's correct, I thought the 16th-century map of Mexico at <http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/braun1582bd1/0127> might be of some interest.  It's from Georg Bran's _Beschreibung vnd Contrafactur der vornembster Stät der Welt_, published in 1582.  There are even some Mexicans pictured at the bottom of the page, though I don't know how accurate the clothing is.

Coblaith Muimnech
<http://coblaith.net>


Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:03:22 +1000
From: "Neil ." <neil.perrie at gmail.com>
Subject: [Lochac] bit of cartography, anyone?
To: lochac at lochac.sca.org

http://www.medievalists.net/2011/08/02/earliest-medieval-map-of-britain-put-online/


From the fb "SCA Library of Alexandria" group:

Ian TheGreen
April 11 at 11:18pm
For those interested in late period maps here is an English Manuscript for you.
http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx…
c 1535-1542, The manuscript contains the Boke of Idrography (also known as the Rotz Atlas) by Jean Rotz, hydrographer and navigtor of Dieppe, who probably took part in the expedition from Dieppe to Sumatra under the command of Jean Parmentier in 1529–30, and in 1539 travelled to Guinea and Brazil.

The atlas is composed of 12 maps in colours and gold with partial borders, and prefatory texts accompanied by diagrams in colours and gold.

Contents:
1. The royal coat of arms of Henry VIII supported by the red dragon and white greyhound, with an inscription reading: 'This boke of Idrography is made be me Johne Rotz, sarvant to the Kingis mooste excellent Majeste. Gode save his Majeste' (f. 1v).
2. Dedication to Henry VIII, in French, in which he mentions his original intention to dedicate it to the King of France, who was then his 'Sovereign and Natural Lord' (f. 2r).
3. Introduction: 'The Introduction of the thingis, the quhitche are conteint in this booke. For to know the thingis conteint in this booke, it is to be wnderstand, that in the first thair is one figure for to know the maner of the poinctes or routtis of all the wyndes of the Sey compas; and efter thair is one uther figur, that doys teche the maner for to tak the eslevation of the poll in every region, and this be the Norht Starr. Item more efter is declarit in one other leff the maner for to take the latitude in every region be the moyens of the sonne, and of one tabil of his declination from the equinoctial. Than cummis nixt efter in the leffes following the landes and sey costes of the Worlde, in so furr as be marinares and other saillarres it is knowin; the quhitche descripsion of landis is set be ordorr, so that every leffe doys begynne thair quhair the precedent of it did leif, and so dois proceid quhil all the knowin partes of the sey costes be shawin in partiallitez. Quhair than thair doys cum in one leff the hoole description of the sey carte, made in rondnes efter the maner of cosmography, for in it al the costes ar ordaint wnder the meridiens and degrez of latitud, that be experiens ar fonde corresponding to thame. Item in the bordorres of the leffes of the booke or set the tabilles, quhar the leigges or merkit and writin with cyfres be thair nombres, efter the proportion of xvij legges and one halfe for every degre of latitud, as be al saillars it is acoustumit. Item longes the bordorres of the said lef fes ar markit the degrez of latitud efter thair proportiouns and distances, be soche maner, that those that be benorth the equinoctial ar writtin in thair nombres with blak lectrez of cyfre, and those that be be the southe partes of the said equinoctial ar writtin with reid lectrez of cyfre. So that be this lytil introduction may be al thinges clerly wnderstond.' (f. 2r).
4. 'The maner for to knowe the wyndis of all the pointes of the sey compas', with a diagram of the rose of the winds (f. 3v).
5. 'The maner for to knowe the elevacyon of the polle be the Northe Starr', with a diagram (f. 4r).
6. A calendar (f. 5v).
7. 'Tabil of the nombir of the degrez of the equinox, that every paralele of latitud doth contene of thame' (f. 6r).
8. 'The extration of radices' (f. 6r).
9. Eleven charts drawn on a plane scale (ff. 7v-30r): Chart of the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific Ocean, from 34ł north to 11ł south (ff. 7v-8r). Chart of the Indian Ocean, from Cape Comorin on the west to Aimoey Bay in China on the east, and from 25ł north to 19ł south, including 'Lytil Java.' [See the extract from Malte-Brun] (ff. 9v-10r). Chart of the coasts of Asia and Africa from Cape Comorin to Cape Delgado, including the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea (ff. 11v-12r). Chart of the eastern coast of Africa, from the Line to the Cape, with Madagascar and the Ethiopian Archipelago (ff. 13v-14r). Chart of South Africa from 15ł south on the east coast to 6ł north on the west coast (ff. 15v-16r). Chart of the western coast of Africa from the Gulf of Guinea to the Straits, with the adjacent isles, and a small part of the coast of South America (ff. 17v-18r). General chart of the Black Sea, the Mediterranean, and the coasts of Europe, with the North Sea and the Baltic (ff. 19v-20r). Chart of the western coast of Europe, with the opposite coast of North America, from 74ł to 29ł north (ff. 21v-22r). Chart of the eastern coast of America from 51ł to 6ł north, the West Indies and Gulf of Mexico (ff. 23v-24r). Chart of the Atlantic Ocean, with the western coast of Africa from 27ł to 9ł north, and the opposite coast of South America from 9ł north to 10ł south (ff. 25v-26r). Chart of the eastern coast of South America from 6ł south to the Straits of Magellan (ff. 27v-28r). The Eastern and Western Hemispheres (ff. 29v-30r).
10. The motto and Henry VIII's badge of the Tudor Rose surmounted by a crown (f. 31v).
11. Inscription: 'Heir endeth this booke of Idrography, made be me Johne Rotz, sarvant to the Kingis mooste exellent Majeste, in the yer of owr Lord Gode jm. vc. xlij. and of his mooste triumphant regne the xxxiiij. yere. Excludit. Gode save his majeste' (f. 32r).

From the fb "SCA Library of Alexandria - A&S discussions with the Laurels of our Realms" group:

Emma Cardiganshire 
4/11/19
I'm not sure if this will have what you want, but here is a website with TONS of maps of different time periods & places: http://www.emersonkent.com/maps.htm


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Edited by Mark S. Harris	maps-msg