rugs-msg - 5/26/10 Period rugs and carpets. NOTE: See also the files: tapestries-msg, decor-sources-msg, piled-fabrics-msg, looms-msg, textiles-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:23:18 -0700 From: "Jennifer Hill" To: Subject: Re: Rug construction Dear Lady Deirdre: The one book that is the standard is: An Illustrated Guide to Making Oriental Rugs by Gordon W. Scott, Pacific Search Press, copyright 1984. It explains how to make & set up a proper rug loom & what tools are necessary & how to use them. For patterns one may wish to look at a needlepoint book Oriental Carpets in Miniature by Frank M. Cooper, c 1994, Interweave Press. These are actual Oriental Carpet patterns reduced for use in needlepoint. Someday, I hope to make a Rug - yes, that is a rug w/ a capital R!! When one is lucky to make an inch or two a day, I think it qualifies. Additionally, one of the issues of Weaver's has an article on a very accomplished lady who makes Oriental Rugs. I don't recall which issue it is in & I sold my library when I sold the loom - bad move! However, the Complex Weavers association/group has an extensive library. It would be worth joining just to have access to the library. Gwen Good luck. Gwen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lady Deirdre" > I am the Minister of Arts and Sciences for my canton, and a while back I > someone asked me if I knew of any sources for Middle Eastern rug > construction. If anyone has any information about this subject and could > point me to any useful links, books, etc. that I could forward on to him I > would appreciate it. Thank you very much! > > Lady Deirdre ingen Muiredach > mka Abby Carr > Minister of Arts & Sciences > Canton of Elvegast Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:48:46 -0700 From: "Jennifer Hill" To: Subject: on line oriental rug course http://www.a2zcarpet.com/course/index.htm There is a free demo for the course, but to take the whole course, one must pay the fee. It looks thorough & well thought out. Gwen Gwen verch Rhys of Gwynedd, the fumble-fingered From: "Rowanwald Central" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Arraiolos Rugs Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:30:19 -0400 I'm trying to find examples of Arraiolos rugs from the 16th or 17th century and am coming up against a wall. I think I may be too far "out of the loop" to know _where_ to look. According to "Portuguese Needlework Rugs" by Patricia Stone, these rugs date to our period of study and are quick and easy to create. I'd like to find sufficient documentation to justify encouraging artisans to begin crafting them - they're beautiful and transportable and have the advantage of being easy enough to craft that a person can make one for their pavilion in record time - but I can't find anything beyond Ms. Stone's book on the subject, except for kits and later pieces offered by antique dealers. I don't want to introduce another craft that is "documentably marginal". I have ILL requests out for the books she cites in her bibliography, but can't believe that there's nothing archived on the Internet about the subject. Rosine From: Charlene Charette Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Arraiolos Rugs Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 07:04:14 GMT Rowanwald Central wrote: > I'm trying to find examples of Arraiolos rugs from the 16th or 17th > century and am coming up against a wall. I think I may be too far "out of > the loop" to know _where_ to look. New Stitches magazine had an article on them awhile ago (within the last 2 years?). You might contact them to see what information they can provide. They're very helpful. --Perronnelle From: ekscholar at aol.com (EKScholar) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Date: 10 Apr 2001 20:43:10 GMT Subject: Re: Arraiolos Rugs Oh. You found that book too? 1) the stitch (long armed cross stitch) is documentable. Someone correct me, but I believe it's in "Traditional Icelandic Embroidery" by Else Gudjonsson (sp?) as pre-Reformation in Iceland, which makes it 16th century or earlier. It was used in altar frontals (sometimes re-made from bed valances). I can't give any further specifics because my copy of the book is currently being digested by the House. You might not be able to find anything in the books in her bibliography, but I can suggest the following: "Designs for Needlepoint and Latch Hook Rugs" by Dorothy Kaestner. One of the designs is for a rug copied from "Oriental Rugs in the Metropolitan Musem of Art" by M. S. Dimand & Jean Mailey. The original dates to the first quarter of the 17th century. I don't know if the original was tufted, woven or embroidered, but the motifs should be near period. I would recommend against making the full rug listed. "Color Treasury of Rugs & Tapestries from East and West" (Crescent books, no author) does not have any patterns, but there are numerous color plates, with sufficent detail to chart from. Best of luck. richild la gauchere (not a laurel) From: "ruadh" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Foltaki Rug...was: Arraiolos Rugs Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:50:29 GMT "Faireday" wrote > If you have any sucess finding the info, please share it. I would love to > learn to make period rugs. > > Mariot Not hard to make, my flotaki is now ~29 yrs old. I made it while living in Rhodos, Greece. In period time, it would have been part of the "measure of a person's worth". This one is 1.5m x 2m in size and about 5 Kg and green; its been camping for most of those years [ floor of tent, bed pad, cover over . . etc] . Spinning the yarns needs to be very fuzzy to create the felted back side that protects the tabby weave [~10 tpi] of the rug base. Tying on the "Shag" is with the knot still so common with oriental rug [ or fake it with latch hook style]. The shag spacing should be about one index finger, and length = the height of a fist. Period processing after assembly, is to raise the nap [ use wire brush] and hand rub a solid felting on the back side [use the fuzz of the weave]. Then put into moving water and let that action "full" the shag material. A short water fall is what I used. It looks likes a sheep skin fleece when freshly cleaned. Could this have been the real "Golden Fleece" of Greek early history ? Its strong enough ! O'Gaul-lee Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:13:22 -0500 From: Johnna Holloway To: Cooks within the SCA Subject: [Sca-cooks] Threads on canvas The latest issue of the Saudi Aramco World magazine arrived today. It contains an interesting article titled Threads on Canvas which examines the use of Oriental carpets in 16th century artworks by artists such as Holbein. The article contains information and images of table carpets which people might find interesting. The article is online at: http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/201001/threads.on.canvas.htm Johnnae Edited by Mark S. Harris rugs-msg Page 4 of 4