chairs-msg - 6/22/09 ਀ഊMedieval and SCA chairs. ਀ഊNOTE: See also these files: furniture-msg, beds-msg, brooms-msg, wood-msg, woodworking-msg, tools-msg, tools-bib, candles-msg, candlesticks-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀樀挀⬀ 愀琀 挀猀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䴀漀渀椀挀愀 䌀攀氀氀椀漀⤀ഊSubject: Re: "Viking" chairs ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 匀挀栀漀漀氀 漀昀 䌀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 匀挀椀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 䌀愀爀渀攀最椀攀 䴀攀氀氀漀渀ഊDate: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 14:56:28 GMT ਀ഊodlin at reed.edu (Iain Odlin) writes: ਀㸀  䌀漀甀氀搀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 戀攀 猀漀 欀椀渀搀 愀猀 琀漀 瀀漀猀琀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀㼀  䤀✀搀 樀甀猀琀 最漀 愀栀攀愀搀 愀渀搀 甀猀攀ഊ> "By-guess-and-by-God," but I don't know what these chairs look like... ;) ਀ഊThe chair consists of two pieces. One is a board with a rectangular hole ਀愀戀漀甀琀 愀 昀漀漀琀 昀爀漀洀 漀渀攀 攀渀搀㬀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀猀 愀 戀漀愀爀搀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 昀甀氀氀 眀椀搀琀栀 愀琀 漀渀攀 攀渀搀ഊand after about a foot or so narrows to a paddle that fits through the hole. ਀夀漀甀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀 瀀愀搀搀氀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 栀漀氀攀 愀渀搀 猀琀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀搀搀氀攀 攀渀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 ഊbottom edge of the other board. From sideways-on it looks sort of like an ਀∀堀∀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 挀爀漀猀猀 戀攀氀漀眀 挀攀渀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 攀砀愀挀琀 洀攀愀猀甀爀攀洀攀渀琀猀 眀椀氀氀 搀攀瀀攀渀搀 漀渀 眀栀愀琀✀猀 挀漀洀昀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀爀 戀漀搀礀⸀  䤀ഊstarted with an 8' 2x10 and cut it into pieces roughly 4.5' and 3'5'. The ਀氀漀渀最攀爀 戀攀挀愀洀攀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 ⠀愀渀搀 眀愀猀 瀀氀愀渀渀攀搀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 氀攀愀渀 洀礀 栀攀愀搀 戀愀挀欀 漀渀ഊit; I'm short). The hole is about a foot from the bottom and is about ਀㄀⸀㜀㔀 ⠀琀栀椀挀欀渀攀猀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 戀漀愀爀搀 瀀氀甀猀 愀 戀椀琀⤀ 砀 㐀∀Ⰰ 愀猀 䤀 爀攀挀愀氀氀⸀  ⠀吀栀攀 ഊchairs are put away at the moment.) You want the hole to be wide enough ਀琀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 瀀愀搀搀氀攀 猀琀愀戀氀攀 戀甀琀 渀愀爀爀漀眀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 渀漀琀 眀攀愀欀攀渀 琀栀攀 眀漀漀搀 琀漀 攀椀琀栀攀爀ഊside in the back piece. The other piece has something like a 12" or 13" ਀氀漀渀最 猀攀愀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 瀀愀搀搀氀攀Ⰰ 挀甀琀 樀甀猀琀 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀 猀洀愀氀氀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 ഊhole. ਀ഊHints: The easiest way to cut the hole is to draw the rectangle on the ਀戀漀愀爀搀Ⰰ 愀瀀瀀氀礀 愀 搀爀椀氀氀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀漀爀渀攀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀 猀愀眀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 猀欀椀渀渀礀ഊlittle blade (jig saw?) to cut the sides of the rectangle. I had the owner ਀漀昀 琀栀猀 琀漀漀氀猀 挀甀琀 琀栀攀 瀀愀搀搀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 挀椀爀挀甀氀愀爀 猀愀眀 眀栀椀氀攀 䤀 猀琀漀漀搀 愀 最漀漀搀 搀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀ഊaway. :-) I cut across the diagonals on the front of the seat and the top ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀Ⰰ 愀戀漀甀琀 愀渀 椀渀挀栀 漀爀 琀眀漀 椀渀Ⰰ 琀漀 愀瘀漀椀搀 猀栀愀爀瀀 挀漀爀渀攀爀猀⸀  䤀 琀栀攀渀 猀愀渀搀攀搀ഊall the edges by hand and worked the aforementioned corners until they were ਀愀氀洀漀猀琀 猀洀漀漀琀栀 挀甀爀瘀攀猀 甀猀椀渀最 愀 栀愀渀搀ⴀ栀攀氀搀 琀漀漀氀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 漀昀 愀 挀爀漀猀猀 ഊbetween a plane and a cheese grater. (I can't remember what it's called.) ਀一漀琀攀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 搀漀渀✀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 搀漀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 洀椀渀椀洀愀氀 猀愀渀搀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀 栀漀氀攀㬀 椀昀 礀漀甀ഊremove too much wood from the hole and the paddle, the chair will be wobbly. ਀夀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 愀 琀椀最栀琀 昀椀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 琀栀攀渀 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀 愀渀搀 愀瀀瀀氀椀攀搀 愀 挀漀愀琀 漀昀 渀漀渀ⴀ最氀漀猀猀礀 昀椀渀椀猀栀⸀  吀栀椀猀 椀猀ഊprobably not strictly necessary (they don't do it on picnic tables, for ਀椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀⤀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 洀愀搀攀 琀栀攀 琀栀椀渀最 氀漀漀欀 渀椀挀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀匀愀昀攀琀礀 栀椀渀琀㨀 椀昀 礀漀甀 眀漀爀欀 眀椀琀栀 最爀攀攀渀 眀漀漀搀 ⠀琀栀攀 挀栀攀洀椀挀愀氀ⴀ氀愀搀攀渀 猀琀甀昀昀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀ഊis what's commonly available), be sure to work outdoors and wear a mask to ਀瀀爀攀瘀攀渀琀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 猀愀眀搀甀猀琀 昀爀漀洀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 礀漀甀爀 氀甀渀最猀⸀  䄀渀搀 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀ഊshould always wear safety goggles when doing the cutting. ਀ഊBy the way, this "pattern" is fairly easy to tinker with. I made two ਀挀栀愀椀爀猀㬀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀⸀  吀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 䤀 挀甀琀 琀栀攀 栀漀氀攀ഊa little higher than I thought I'd need and the seat a little longer than ਀䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 䤀✀搀 渀攀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 䤀 瀀甀琀 椀琀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 愀渀搀 愀搀樀甀猀琀攀搀 戀礀 挀甀琀琀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀ഊthe bottom of the back and the front of the seat until I was happy. Then ਀䤀 洀愀搀攀 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 漀渀攀 琀漀 琀栀漀猀攀 猀瀀攀挀猀⸀  䄀渀搀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 漀渀攀 椀猀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀氀礀 甀猀愀戀氀攀㬀ഊit's just a little shorter. ਀ഊEllisif ਀洀樀挀 愀琀 挀猀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀ഊ ਀ഊTo: Mark Harris ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀漀渀椀挀愀 䌀攀氀氀椀漀ഊDate: 6/8/93 ਀刀䔀㸀∀嘀椀欀椀渀最∀ 挀栀愀椀爀猀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀℀  䤀✀洀 最氀愀搀 洀礀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 瀀漀猀琀 栀攀氀瀀攀搀 礀漀甀⸀  䨀甀猀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 挀氀愀爀椀昀礀 漀渀攀ഊthing: I have seen no evidence that these chairs are earlier than the 1980s. ਀吀栀攀礀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀渀瘀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 愀氀氀 䤀 欀渀漀眀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 ⨀渀漀⨀ 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀 ഊfor them. But random wooden furniture beats director's chairs any day, in ਀洀礀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀⸀ 㨀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀䜀漀漀搀 氀甀挀欀℀ഊ Ellisif ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: whheydt at pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 ∀嘀椀欀椀渀最∀ 挀栀愀椀爀猀ഊOrganization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ 㜀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㤀㨀㐀㜀㨀㐀　 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀洀樀挀⸀㜀㌀㤀㐀㘀㐀㤀㠀㠀 愀琀 一䰀⸀䌀匀⸀䌀䴀唀⸀䔀䐀唀㸀 洀樀挀⬀ 愀琀 挀猀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䴀漀渀椀挀愀 䌀攀氀氀椀漀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>of the back, about an inch or two in, to avoid sharp corners. I then sanded ਀㸀愀氀氀 琀栀攀 攀搀最攀猀 戀礀 栀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 琀栀攀 愀昀漀爀攀洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 挀漀爀渀攀爀猀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀ഊ>almost smooth curves using a hand-held tool that's something of a cross ਀㸀戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 愀 瀀氀愀渀攀 愀渀搀 愀 挀栀攀攀猀攀 最爀愀琀攀爀⸀  ⠀䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 眀栀愀琀 椀琀✀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀⸀⤀ഊ ਀匀漀甀渀搀猀 氀椀欀攀 愀 匀琀愀渀攀氀礀 匀甀爀昀漀爀洀 琀漀漀氀⸀  夀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 愀氀猀漀 甀猀攀 愀 瀀氀愀渀攀Ⰰ 愀ഊspokeshave or (for the brave) a drawknife. ਀ഊ>Note that you don't want to do more than minimal sanding on the hole; if you ਀㸀爀攀洀漀瘀攀 琀漀漀 洀甀挀栀 眀漀漀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 栀漀氀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀愀搀搀氀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 眀漀戀戀氀礀⸀ഊ>You want a tight fit. ਀ഊTry using a chisel with the flat side to the wood. ਀ഊIn general, do not take a cutting tool ( plane, surform, spokeshave, ਀挀栀椀猀攀氀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀⤀ 琀漀 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 猀愀渀搀攀搀⸀  䐀漀 愀氀氀 挀甀琀琀椀渀最 ⨀昀椀爀猀琀⨀⸀ഊSanding leaves bits of abrasive grit imbedded in the wood that are ਀瘀攀爀礀 搀攀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀瘀攀 琀漀 挀甀琀琀椀渀最 攀搀最攀猀⸀ഊ ਀ऀⴀⴀ䠀愀氀ഊ ਀        䠀愀氀 刀愀瘀渀Ⰰ 圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊ Wilson H. Heydt, Jr., Albany, CA 94706, 510/524-8321 (home) ਀ⴀⴀ ഊHal Heydt | ਀䄀渀愀氀礀猀琀Ⰰ 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀⨀䈀攀氀氀        簀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 猀礀猀琀攀洀 椀猀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最Ⰰഊ510-823-5447 | Ask someone who's waiting for a prompt. ਀眀栀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 瀀戀栀礀愀⸀倀愀挀䈀攀氀氀⸀䌀伀䴀    簀    ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 最漀漀戀攀爀猀 愀琀 椀愀猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀吀漀洀 刀 䐀攀渀渀椀猀⤀ഊSubject: Viking chairs ala Sot ਀匀甀洀洀愀爀礀㨀 戀愀猀椀挀 挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀ഊKeywords: pillage ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䤀漀眀愀 匀琀愀琀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀Ⰰ 䄀洀攀猀 䤀䄀ഊDate: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 00:37:56 GMT ਀ഊ I have been hearing a people describing a 'viking' chair and it's ਀挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 瘀椀欀椀渀最 漀爀 渀漀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 昀椀爀猀琀 猀愀眀 椀琀 愀琀 愀ഊBuckskinner encampment and being any good Viking I borrowed the idea and made ਀漀渀攀 渀椀挀攀 琀漀 猀椀琀 椀渀 愀渀搀 攀愀猀礀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀搀漀眀渀 愀渀搀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ匀漀洀攀 戀愀猀椀挀 琀漀漀氀猀 渀攀攀搀攀搀 愀爀攀 愀 搀爀椀氀氀Ⰰ 猀愀戀攀爀 猀愀眀 ⠀樀椀最 猀愀眀⤀Ⰰ 猀愀渀搀攀爀 ⠀渀椀挀攀ഊbut not absolutely necessary), and hand saw. ਀ഊ Materials needed are 1" x 12" x ... and 1" x 4" x ... oak or other ਀栀愀爀搀眀漀漀搀⸀  一漀琀攀㨀 搀漀渀✀琀 甀猀攀 瀀椀渀攀 甀渀氀攀猀猀 椀琀✀猀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 ㈀∀ 琀栀椀挀欀 愀猀 渀愀爀爀漀眀攀爀ഊwidths bust like twigs. ਀ഊ Layout: ਀ഊ ਀        簀             㐀㌀∀                   簀ഊ ਀         ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ     ⴀⴀഊ | _ | ਀        簀ऀ䈀愀挀欀ऀ     ऀ簀开簀ऀ              簀    ㄀㈀∀      ഊ | | ਀ऀ   ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ     ⴀⴀഊ ਀                                簀    ㄀　∀    簀ഊ ਀        吀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀⸀  䄀 猀氀漀琀 椀猀 挀甀琀漀甀琀 ㄀　∀ 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀ഊbottom of the back to allow for the cross piece to go through Thus a 1"x 3 ਀㄀⼀㈀∀ 猀氀漀琀 椀猀 挀甀琀 ⠀愀 㐀∀ 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 眀漀漀搀 椀猀 渀漀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 㐀∀ 戀甀琀 ㌀ ㄀⼀㈀∀ 愀渀搀 愀 ㄀㈀∀ഊpiece is really 11 1/2"). Additonally, a 1" x 12" piece should be added ਀愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀氀漀琀 愀爀攀愀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 琀栀攀 猀氀漀琀 攀砀琀爀愀 猀琀爀攀渀最琀栀 愀猀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 栀椀最栀ഊstress area especially if you are large like me (run the grain 90 degrees to ਀琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 猀漀 愀猀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 洀愀砀椀洀甀洀 猀琀爀攀渀最琀栀⤀⸀ഊ ਀ഊ | 32" | ਀ऀ                                          ഊ --------- -- ਀                                     簀         簀ഊ - -------------------------------------- | ਀ 㐀∀    簀                             簀         簀    ㄀㘀∀ഊ - -------------------------------------- | ਀                                     簀         簀ഊ --------- -- ਀ഊ For the cross piece, cut a 1" x 12" 16" long and a 1" x 4" 32" long. ਀䘀愀猀琀攀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀∀ 砀 ㄀㈀∀ 砀 ㄀㘀∀ 瀀椀攀挀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ㄀∀ 砀 㐀∀ 眀椀琀栀 最氀甀攀 愀渀搀 猀琀攀攀氀 眀漀漀搀ഊscrews. ਀ഊ Once the beast has been cut out, sand it and put what ever kind of ਀眀漀漀搀 猀攀愀氀愀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 氀椀欀攀 漀渀攀 琀栀攀 眀漀漀搀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䄀猀猀攀洀戀氀礀㨀ഊ ਀  ऀ䤀渀猀攀爀琀 琀栀攀 挀爀漀猀猀 瀀椀攀挀攀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 猀氀漀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 瀀椀攀挀攀⸀  䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀ഊminor adjustments might be necessary to make sure that the cross piece fits ਀椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 猀氀漀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 瀀椀攀挀攀⸀  䐀漀渀✀琀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 昀椀琀 琀椀最栀琀 愀猀 椀琀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 愀ഊroyal bitch to take appart after the wood expands a bit from being out in the ਀最爀攀愀琀 漀甀琀 搀漀漀爀猀⸀  䌀漀渀瘀攀爀猀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 猀氀漀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 戀攀 琀漀 氀漀漀猀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀ഊwobble doesn't hurt it any, especially after adding the reinforcement piece on ਀琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 瀀椀攀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀ഊ \ The assembly looks a bit like this exept that ਀           尀              琀栀攀 挀爀漀猀猀 瀀椀攀挀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 瀀椀攀挀攀 昀漀爀洀 洀漀爀攀 漀昀 ഊ \ a 90 degree angle than is shown (what do you ਀             尀            攀砀瀀攀挀琀 昀爀漀洀 挀爀愀瀀瀀礀 攀搀椀琀漀爀猀 愀渀礀 眀愀礀⤀ഊ \ ਀               尀ഊ \ / The chair is real comfortable, i've passed er ਀                 尀⼀       䤀 洀攀愀渀 昀攀氀氀 愀猀氀攀攀瀀 洀愀渀礀 愀 琀椀洀攀 椀渀 椀琀 愀琀 爀攀瘀攀氀猀⸀ഊ /\ ਀                ⼀  尀ഊ ਀ऀ䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀爀 甀渀猀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 搀攀猀椀最渀Ⰰ 洀愀欀攀 漀渀攀 甀猀椀渀最 ㈀∀ 砀 ㄀㈀∀ 愀渀搀 ㈀∀ 砀ഊ4" pine and try it out. Changes can be made in the seat height and sitting ਀愀渀最氀攀 戀礀 挀栀愀渀最椀渀最 琀栀攀 氀漀挀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀氀漀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 瀀椀攀挀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 氀攀渀最琀栀 漀昀ഊthe cross piece. ਀ഊ Hope that this is of some help and if anyone has any questions please ਀搀漀渀✀琀 栀攀猀椀琀愀琀攀 琀漀 愀猀欀 瘀椀愀 攀洀愀椀氀⸀ഊ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਀笀  吀漀洀 刀⸀ 䐀攀渀渀椀猀  ⠀㔀㄀㔀⤀ ㈀㤀㈀ ⴀ 　㜀㐀㜀   ⼀  䴀漀渀攀礀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 愀 最愀猀⸀  䜀爀愀戀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀猀栀  紀  ഊ{ aka Alric the Sot / with both hands and make a dash. } ਀笀         最漀漀戀攀爀猀 愀琀 椀愀猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀        ⼀                       倀⸀ 䘀氀漀礀搀       紀ഊ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: rsmiley at netcom.com (Richard Smiley) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 吀漀甀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀猀 䤀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀攀搀 ⌀㄀㄀㌀ ⴀⴀ 爀攀瘀椀攀眀 愀渀搀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀愀爀礀ഊOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ 㤀 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㔀㨀㌀㄀㨀　㠀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㌀洀㌀樀爀㐀␀戀椀㌀ 愀琀 渀攀眀猀戀昀　㈀⸀渀攀眀猀⸀愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀Ⰰ 䌀伀一一䔀䌀吀 㰀挀漀渀渀攀挀琀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>Dani of the Seven Wells (dani at telerama.lm.com) says: ਀㸀ഊ>>>>The (newly arrived) Winter, 1995 issue of TI was of mediocre quality -- ਀㸀甀渀椀渀猀瀀椀爀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 戀愀搀⸀  䤀琀 最愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 椀洀瀀爀攀猀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 栀愀瘀椀渀最ഊ>been put together in a hurry.<<< ਀㸀ഊ>>>>"Constructing a 15th Century Monastery Chair" is another how-to ਀㸀愀爀琀椀挀氀攀⸀ഊ>It's written for readers with above-average access to tools. I was not ਀㸀愀戀氀攀 琀漀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀 樀甀搀最攀 琀栀攀 焀甀愀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀⸀㰀㰀㰀ഊ> ਀㸀圀栀愀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 瘀攀爀礀 栀攀氀瀀昀甀氀 眀愀猀 愀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀搀 瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀⸀ഊ>As it is, the impression I had was of a beach/lounge chair, and that's ਀㸀挀攀爀琀愀椀渀琀氀礀 渀漀琀 栀漀漀瀀猀欀椀爀琀ⴀ瀀爀漀漀昀⸀ 㨀⠀ 吀栀攀爀攀 洀甀猀琀 戀攀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 昀氀愀琀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 琀漀ഊ>sit on, but there is no picture describing it so. So, I don't know if I ਀㸀猀栀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 洀礀 昀愀琀栀攀爀ⴀ椀渀ⴀ氀愀眀 挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀 漀渀攀 漀爀 渀漀琀⸀ഊ> ਀吀栀攀 挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 挀栀愀椀爀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 瀀漀漀爀⸀  吀栀攀 眀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀 ഊdescribes it, the back will shear because of the angle crossing the ਀最爀愀椀渀⸀  䤀昀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀 眀攀爀攀 挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀攀搀 甀猀椀渀最 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 洀攀琀栀漀搀猀 琀栀椀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 ഊbe as big a problem and it would be much easier to put together. You ਀洀椀最栀琀 氀漀漀欀 甀瀀 愀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 ∀吀栀攀 圀漀漀搀眀爀椀最栀琀猀 䔀挀氀攀挀琀椀挀 圀漀爀欀猀栀漀瀀∀ 戀礀 刀漀礀 ഊUnderhill. He discusses a similar chair that give some insight into how ਀琀栀椀猀 挀栀愀椀爀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 戀攀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀氀挀漀洀 䴀愀挀倀栀攀爀猀漀渀Ⰰ 伀䰀ഊWest Kingdom ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 甀挀挀砀搀攀洀 愀琀 漀欀眀愀礀⸀漀欀猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䴀愀渀渀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 吀漀甀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀猀 䤀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀攀搀 ⌀㄀㄀㌀ ⴀⴀ 爀攀瘀椀攀眀 愀渀搀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀愀爀礀ഊDate: 12 Apr 1995 19:50:21 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 伀匀唀 䌀䤀匀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀爀猀洀椀氀攀礀䐀㘀爀砀爀眀⸀㘀㐀㤀 愀琀 渀攀琀挀漀洀⸀挀漀洀㸀Ⰰ 爀猀洀椀氀攀礀 愀琀 渀攀琀挀漀洀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 匀洀椀氀攀礀⤀ 猀愀礀猀㨀ഊGreetings to all from Marke ਀㸀㸀匀琀甀昀昀 昀爀漀洀 䐀愀渀椀 搀攀氀攀琀攀搀ഊ>The construction of this chair is very poor. The way that the author ਀㸀搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀猀 椀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 眀椀氀氀 猀栀攀愀爀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀渀最氀攀 挀爀漀猀猀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ഊ>grain. If the chair were constructed using period methods this would not ਀㸀戀攀 愀猀 戀椀最 愀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 愀渀搀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 洀甀挀栀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀⸀  夀漀甀 ഊ>might look up a copy of "The Woodwrights Eclectic Workshop" by Roy ਀㸀唀渀搀攀爀栀椀氀氀⸀  䠀攀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀攀猀 愀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 挀栀愀椀爀 琀栀愀琀 最椀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 椀渀猀椀最栀琀 椀渀琀漀 栀漀眀 ഊ>this chair could be made better. ਀㸀ഊ>Malcom MacPherson, OL ਀㸀圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊ ਀䴀愀猀琀攀爀 䴀愀氀挀漀洀ⰀഊI beg to differ on this chair on several points. The shear tendency for ਀琀栀攀 眀漀漀搀猀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀攀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀 愀爀攀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 栀椀最栀⸀ 吀栀攀 漀氀搀攀猀琀 挀栀愀椀爀Ⰰ 縀㈀ഊyears old, shows no signs of cracking, even after having almost 300 lbs ਀漀昀 欀渀椀最栀琀 愀渀搀 愀爀洀漀爀 瀀氀漀瀀瀀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 椀琀 洀甀氀琀椀瀀氀攀 琀椀洀攀猀⸀ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀ഊyour reference to 'constructed using period methods'. The first chair was ਀戀甀椀氀琀 眀椀琀栀 栀愀渀搀 猀愀眀猀Ⰰ 挀栀椀猀攀氀猀Ⰰ 栀愀渀搀 瀀氀愀渀攀猀⸀ 䄀 搀爀椀氀氀 眀愀猀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 ഊsteel rod holes instead of a hot iron. If you are refering to bent wood ਀愀渀最氀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 最愀瘀攀 渀漀 椀渀搀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀漀漀搀 戀攀椀渀最 戀攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊthe pictures of the chairs were not fine enough to distinguish a grain ਀瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 漀爀 琀漀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 琀攀氀氀 猀琀攀攀氀 爀漀搀猀 漀爀 眀漀漀搀 搀漀眀攀氀猀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀⸀ 吀栀攀 ഊarticle in the TI was to be looked at by someone with woodworking knowledge ਀戀攀昀漀爀攀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ 一攀砀琀 琀椀洀攀 䤀✀氀氀 樀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 洀礀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀 氀漀漀欀 漀瘀攀爀 洀礀ഊwritings before sending them off. The particular reason I used steel rod ਀眀愀猀㨀 ㄀⤀ 洀礀 挀栀愀椀爀猀 愀爀攀 漀昀琀攀渀 戀愀爀爀漀眀攀搀 戀礀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 琀漀 甀猀攀⸀ ㈀⤀ 椀昀 猀琀漀漀搀 甀瀀漀渀ഊI didn't the chair to fail and myself ending up with a broken neck. 3) A ਀搀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀猀 挀栀愀椀爀 栀愀猀渀✀琀 戀攀攀渀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 愀戀甀猀攀⸀ 䈀椀氀氀 䴀挀一甀琀琀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀ഊkind enough to offer to put the finished chair pictures on a web server. ਀䤀✀氀氀 戀攀 攀洀愀椀氀椀渀最 栀椀洀 琀栀攀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀 琀漀洀漀爀爀漀眀⸀ഊ ਀ऀऀऀऀऀऀ䴀愀爀欀攀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: ansteorra at eden.com (7/13/95) ਀吀漀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 攀搀攀渀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubj: chairs ਀ഊ>Btw, me and my Lady are already talking about how to improve our ਀㸀攀渀樀漀礀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 愀渀搀 眀栀愀琀 琀漀 最攀琀 渀攀砀琀 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀 琀栀椀猀 漀甀琀⸀ 䰀漀漀欀猀 氀椀欀攀ഊ>period chairs/table (any hints?) and feast gear. ਀ഊI have always wondered why more people didn;t keep 3-legged stools around ਀琀栀攀椀爀 挀愀洀瀀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 愀渀搀 爀愀椀氀礀 攀愀猀礀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀⼀挀栀攀愀瀀 琀漀 戀甀礀⸀ 一漀 戀愀挀欀ഊsupport and too easy to fall off of when your drunk but everything has a ਀搀爀愀眀戀愀挀欀⸀ഊ ਀㸀倀栀攀氀椀洀 唀栀琀爀攀搀 䜀攀爀瘀愀猀  ഊ ਀ⴀ洀椀挀栀愀攀氀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: ansteorra at eden.com (7/13/95) ਀吀漀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 攀搀攀渀⸀挀漀洀ഊRE>Furniture ਀ഊedited... ਀㸀䈀琀眀Ⰰ 洀攀 愀渀搀 洀礀 䰀愀搀礀 愀爀攀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 栀漀眀 琀漀 椀洀瀀爀漀瘀攀 漀甀爀ഊ>enjoyment of the SCA and what to get next to help this out. Looks like ਀㸀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀栀愀椀爀猀⼀琀愀戀氀攀 ⠀愀渀礀 栀椀渀琀猀㼀⤀ 愀渀搀 昀攀愀猀琀 最攀愀爀⸀ഊ> ਀圀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 瘀攀爀礀 渀椀挀攀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最 挀栀愀椀爀猀 ⠀眀漀漀搀攀渀 ☀ 猀琀愀椀渀攀搀⤀ 愀琀 䠀漀戀戀礀 䰀漀戀戀礀 昀漀爀ഊaround $25.00 They are actually quite comfortable and portable. They ਀栀愀瘀攀 愀氀猀漀 愀搀搀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀琀洀漀猀瀀栀攀爀攀 漀昀 漀甀爀 攀渀挀愀洀瀀洀攀渀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀䜀愀氀愀 䌀甀渀渀椀渀最栀愀洀 ⠀愀⸀欀⸀愀⸀ 氀甀爀欀攀爀 攀砀琀爀愀漀搀椀渀愀椀爀攀⤀ഊ___ ਀䐀漀渀渀愀 䌀甀渀渀椀渀最栀愀洀ഊUniversity Duplicating Service ਀唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 吀攀砀愀猀 愀琀 䄀甀猀琀椀渀ഊ512/475-6731 ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 攀搀攀渀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀㜀⼀㄀㌀⼀㤀㔀⤀ഊTo: ansteorra at eden.com ਀刀䔀㸀䔀瘀攀渀琀 䤀搀攀愀氀猀 ⠀昀椀最栀琀椀渀最⤀ഊ ਀倀甀最 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 渀攀砀琀 琀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀礀 眀椀氀氀 愀焀甀椀爀攀 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀 琀栀攀洀 瀀氀愀礀 洀漀爀攀 愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀氀氀礀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 挀栀愀椀爀猀 愀渀搀 愀 琀愀戀氀攀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 氀愀琀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 愀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最 搀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀✀猀 挀栀愀椀爀 眀椀琀栀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀 愀爀洀猀 椀猀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最⸀ 䤀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 瀀甀琀 愀 猀攀愀琀 漀渀  椀琀 漀甀琀 漀昀 愀 琀愀瀀攀猀琀爀礀 ഊreinforced with canvas (so that it won't stretch out) If you keep the ਀愀爀洀猀 愀渀搀 栀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀Ⰰ 搀漀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 洀漀爀攀 挀漀洀昀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀礀 ഊbut not period looking. Throwing a cover over a chair does nothing to ਀洀愀欀攀 椀琀 氀漀漀欀 洀漀爀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 甀渀氀攀猀猀 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 椀琀 椀猀 愀 氀愀爀最攀Ⰰ 昀甀爀 挀氀漀愀欀⸀ 吀栀攀渀 ഊit just looks like a cloak thrown into a chair. Just my two cents. ਀ഊClare ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 栀爀樀漀渀攀猀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 刀漀猀攀 䨀漀渀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 一漀琀 堀 䌀栀愀椀爀猀ഊDate: 14 Jul 1996 03:45:16 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ ਀䈀爀礀愀渀 䨀⸀ 䴀愀氀漀渀攀礀 ⠀戀樀洀㄀　 愀琀 挀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀攀搀甀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ ਀㨀 䄀渀礀戀漀搀礀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 昀愀爀 戀愀挀欀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最 挀氀漀琀栀 愀渀搀 眀漀漀搀 ∀搀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀∀ⴀ猀琀礀氀攀 挀栀愀椀爀猀ഊ: go? I think they go at least as far back as the 18th century, but any ਀㨀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀㼀ഊ ਀䤀 漀渀挀攀 栀愀搀 洀礀 栀愀渀搀猀 漀渀 愀 ⠀昀愀椀爀氀礀 琀栀椀挀欀⤀ 戀漀漀欀 搀攀琀愀椀氀 琀栀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 挀栀愀椀爀猀ഊthat showed a photograph of a "director's chair" that had belonged to ਀一愀瀀漀氀攀漀渀⸀ 䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 愀 瘀愀最甀攀Ⰰ 猀琀礀氀椀猀琀椀挀 爀攀猀攀洀戀氀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀ഊconstruction was identical to modern director's chairs. (Fancier ਀洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀⸀⤀ 䘀漀爀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 戀愀挀欀Ⰰ 礀漀甀✀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 搀攀昀椀渀攀 眀栀愀琀ഊyou mean by "director" _style_ chair. Similar enough that if you saw a ਀爀攀愀氀 漀渀攀 礀漀甀✀搀 猀愀礀Ⰰ ∀䠀攀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 愀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 搀椀爀攀琀漀爀✀猀 挀栀愀椀爀℀∀㼀 䤀渀 琀栀愀琀ഊcase, the Napoleonic one is the earliest I've seen. However the basic ਀堀ⴀ昀漀氀搀椀渀最 猀栀愀瀀攀 椀猀 愀 猀氀漀眀 戀甀琀 猀琀攀愀搀礀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀洀攀渀琀 昀爀漀洀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 䌀氀愀猀猀椀挀愀氀ഊRome. There are some very early medieval chairs that take the basic ਀堀ⴀ猀琀漀漀氀 猀栀愀瀀攀 愀渀搀 攀砀琀攀渀搀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 氀攀最猀 甀瀀眀愀爀搀 琀漀 昀漀爀洀 愀 戀愀挀欀 ⠀椀⸀攀⸀Ⰰ 琀栀攀ഊseat cross-bars anchoring the fabric go across under your knees and behind ਀礀漀甀爀 猀攀愀琀Ⰰ 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 瀀愀爀愀氀氀攀氀 琀漀 礀漀甀爀 氀攀最猀⤀ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 椀渀ഊ_concept_ to some beach-chair designs (except the beach chairs are always ਀洀愀搀攀 漀昀 愀氀甀洀椀渀甀洀 愀渀搀 渀礀氀漀渀 眀攀戀戀椀渀最⤀⸀ 䤀琀✀猀 愀 眀漀渀搀攀爀昀甀氀 戀漀漀欀 ⴀⴀ 漀渀攀 䤀✀搀 戀甀礀ഊif I ever ran into in a store. ਀ഊTangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 刀漀猀攀 䨀漀渀攀猀 㰀栀爀樀漀渀攀猀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊTo: Mark S. Harris ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㔀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㈀　㨀㌀㈀㨀㐀㔀 ⴀ　㜀　　 ⠀倀䐀吀⤀ഊSubject: Re: Not X Chairs ਀ഊ> I've been looking for any books that show chairs back in the medieval ਀㸀 琀椀洀攀猀⸀ 䐀漀攀猀 琀栀椀猀 漀渀攀 挀漀瘀攀爀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 挀栀愀椀爀猀㼀 䐀漀 礀漀甀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 漀昀ഊ> this book? ਀ഊMy recollection was slightly off -- the book wasn't about chairs in ਀最攀渀攀爀愀氀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 眀愀猀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最 挀栀愀椀爀猀⸀ഊThe info is: ਀ഊWanscher, Ole. "Sella Curulis - The Folding Stool, an Ancient Symbol of ਀䐀椀最渀椀琀礀⸀∀ 䌀漀瀀攀渀栀愀最攀渀㨀 刀漀猀攀渀欀椀氀搀攀 愀渀搀 䈀愀最最攀爀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㠀　⸀ 䤀匀䈀一 㠀㜀ⴀ㐀㈀㌀ⴀ　㌀㌀㜀ⴀ　ഊ ਀䐀攀猀瀀椀琀攀 琀栀攀 䐀愀渀椀猀栀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 椀猀 攀渀琀椀爀攀氀礀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀⸀ 䤀琀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀猀ഊlots of plates, both of depictions of chairs and of actual surviving ਀挀栀愀椀爀猀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 琀爀漀甀戀氀攀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 椀琀Ⰰ 琀爀礀 椀渀琀攀爀氀椀戀爀愀爀礀 氀漀愀渀ഊfrom the UC Berkeley library. The call number there is GT 450 W36 -- which ਀洀愀礀 漀爀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 戀攀 栀攀氀瀀昀甀氀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀愀渀最眀礀猀琀氀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: bjm10 at cornell.edu (Bryan J. Maloney) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Not X Chairs ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㔀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㄀㨀㐀㄀㨀㌀㠀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: Cornell University ਀ഊIn article <4s90r8$mit at thrush.sover.net>, celtic at sover.net (Stuart Joseph) ਀眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ ਀㸀 ⠀䈀爀礀愀渀 䨀⸀ഊ> >Maloney) writes: ਀㸀 㸀㸀倀匀㨀  吀栀漀猀攀 琀眀漀ⴀ瀀椀攀挀攀爀 氀漀眀 ∀挀愀洀瀀 挀栀愀椀爀猀∀ 琀栀愀琀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 昀漀氀欀猀 猀攀氀氀 搀愀琀攀ഊ> >back ਀㸀 㸀㸀琀漀 愀 ㄀㤀㌀　猀 䈀漀礀 匀挀漀甀琀 䨀愀洀戀漀爀攀攀⸀⸀⸀ഊ> They may date back to the 30's but they have been accepted by a lot of ਀㸀 爀攀ⴀ攀渀愀挀琀漀爀 最爀漀甀瀀猀 眀椀琀栀 瘀攀爀礀 栀椀最栀 愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀椀琀礀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀猀Ⰰ 猀漀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊ ਀吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 戀攀椀渀最 瀀栀愀猀攀搀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 最爀漀甀瀀猀 攀瘀攀渀 愀猀 眀攀 猀瀀攀愀欀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: dickeney at access1.digex.net (Dick Eney) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Not X Chairs ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㔀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㈀㨀㐀㘀㨀㌀㔀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA ਀ഊIn article , ਀䈀爀礀愀渀 䨀⸀ 䴀愀氀漀渀攀礀 㰀戀樀洀㄀　 愀琀 挀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀攀搀甀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>In article <4s6m2o$14o4 at uni.library.ucla.edu>, ਀㸀氀椀瘀攀爀猀攀渀 愀琀 瀀栀礀猀椀漀氀漀最礀⸀洀攀搀猀挀栀⸀甀挀氀愀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䰀漀爀椀 䤀瘀攀爀猀攀渀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀㸀 䤀 挀愀渀 戀甀礀 愀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最 挀愀渀瘀愀猀ⴀ猀攀愀琀攀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀✀猀 挀栀愀椀爀 漀渀 猀愀氀攀 愀琀 吀愀爀最攀琀 昀漀爀ഊ>> less than $20. Can you do me better? ਀㸀ഊ>Right! Now, how far do they go back? I was stating that they went AT ਀㸀䰀䔀䄀匀吀 愀猀 昀愀爀 戀愀挀欀 愀猀 琀栀攀 ㄀㠀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 愀猀 昀愀爀 愀猀 䤀 欀渀攀眀⸀  䤀 眀愀猀 䄀匀䬀䤀一䜀 椀昀ഊ>anybody could document them FARTHER back, which I would consider to be a ਀㸀刀攀愀氀氀礀 一攀愀琀 吀栀椀渀最 ⠀吀䴀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䘀漀氀搀椀渀最 堀 挀栀愀椀爀猀 最漀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 刀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀 䤀琀愀氀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 ㄀㈀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀礀ഊIIRC. However, they are not canvas seated and they do not have backs. ਀吀攀挀栀渀椀挀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 猀琀漀漀氀猀Ⰰ 戀礀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀猀⸀  吀栀攀 猀攀愀琀猀 愀爀攀 眀漀漀搀攀渀ഊslats that pivot on metal rods. Similar-looking stools have been found as ਀昀愀爀 戀愀挀欀 愀猀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 䔀最礀瀀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 搀漀 渀漀琀 昀漀氀搀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀渀 琀栀漀甀最栀ഊthey are made with all the bumps where they would be if they did fold. ਀匀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀最礀瀀琀椀愀渀 漀渀攀猀 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 搀漀 栀愀瘀攀 氀攀愀琀栀攀爀 漀爀 挀氀漀琀栀 猀攀愀琀猀⸀ഊ(maybe an ancient folding original copied by a culture that didn't want to ਀昀漀氀搀 琀栀攀洀㼀⤀  ⠀䈀吀圀 䤀 愀洀 开渀漀琀开 猀瀀攀愀欀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 琀栀爀攀攀ⴀ氀攀最最攀搀 猀琀漀漀氀猀℀⤀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀ 吀愀洀愀爀 琀栀攀 䜀礀瀀猀礀 ⠀猀栀愀爀椀渀最 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀 搀椀挀欀攀渀攀礀 愀琀 愀挀挀攀猀猀⸀搀椀最攀砀⸀渀攀琀⤀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: rlindber at kendaco.telebyte.com (R Lindberg / E Winnie) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Not X Chairs ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㔀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㈀㄀㨀㐀㜀㨀㔀㤀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Telebyte NW ਀ഊIn article , bjm10 at cornell.edu (Bryan J. Maloney) says: ਀㸀ഊ>In article <4s6m2o$14o4 at uni.library.ucla.edu>, ਀㸀氀椀瘀攀爀猀攀渀 愀琀 瀀栀礀猀椀漀氀漀最礀⸀洀攀搀猀挀栀⸀甀挀氀愀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䰀漀爀椀 䤀瘀攀爀猀攀渀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀㸀 䤀 挀愀渀 戀甀礀 愀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最 挀愀渀瘀愀猀ⴀ猀攀愀琀攀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀✀猀 挀栀愀椀爀 漀渀 猀愀氀攀 愀琀 吀愀爀最攀琀 昀漀爀ഊ>> less than $20. Can you do me better? ਀㸀ഊ>Right! Now, how far do they go back? I was stating that they went AT ਀㸀䰀䔀䄀匀吀 愀猀 昀愀爀 戀愀挀欀 愀猀 琀栀攀 ㄀㠀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 愀猀 昀愀爀 愀猀 䤀 欀渀攀眀⸀  䤀 眀愀猀 䄀匀䬀䤀一䜀 椀昀ഊ>anybody could document them FARTHER back, which I would consider to be a ਀㸀刀攀愀氀氀礀 一攀愀琀 吀栀椀渀最 ⠀吀䴀⤀⸀ഊ ਀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀 挀氀漀琀栀 猀攀愀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ㄀㔀　　✀猀 愀渀搀 眀漀漀搀 猀攀愀琀 琀漀 ㈀　　　 琀漀 ഊ3000 BC. I'm certain cloth goes back further, but haven't seen any. ਀  吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀渀 堀 挀栀愀椀爀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 愀 戀愀挀欀 愀渀搀 愀爀洀猀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 ⠀䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 漀愀欀 ഊFurnichure (sp???)) states as being a folding/break down chair. I have ਀礀攀琀 琀漀 昀椀最甀爀攀 漀甀爀 ⴀ栀漀眀ⴀ 椀琀 眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 䤀 眀椀氀氀 最攀琀 椀渀琀漀甀挀栀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 䄀渀 吀椀爀 䄀㜀匀 ഊChampion, who owns this book, and see if I can get recalled, the correct ਀戀漀漀欀 琀椀琀氀攀Ⰰ 挀栀愀椀爀 渀愀洀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀⸀ഊ ਀匀愀爀最攀渀琀 䠀爀漀甀氀愀最 一椀氀猀攀渀ഊ-- ਀刀愀氀瀀栀 䰀椀渀搀戀攀爀最 一㜀䈀匀一         䔀氀氀攀渀 圀椀渀渀椀攀 一㜀倀夀䬀  攀ⴀ洀愀椀氀 㰀搀爀愀最漀渀猀氀 愀琀 猀挀渀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: dpeters at panix.com (D. Peters) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Not X Chairs ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㔀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㠀㨀㔀　㨀㌀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: Panix ਀ഊIn article <4s6m2o$14o4 at uni.library.ucla.edu>, ਀䰀漀爀椀 䤀瘀攀爀猀攀渀 㰀氀椀瘀攀爀猀攀渀 愀琀 瀀栀礀猀椀漀氀漀最礀⸀洀攀搀猀挀栀⸀甀挀氀愀⸀攀搀甀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>bjm10 at cornell.edu (Bryan J. Maloney) says: ਀㸀㸀ഊ>>Anybody know how far back folding cloth and wood "director"-style chairs ਀㸀㸀最漀㼀  䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀礀 最漀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 愀猀 昀愀爀 戀愀挀欀 愀猀 琀栀攀 ㄀㠀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀渀礀ഊ>>further? ਀㸀㸀ഊ>>PS: Those two-piecer low "camp chairs" that a lot of folks sell date back ਀㸀㸀琀漀 愀 ㄀㤀㌀　猀 䈀漀礀 匀挀漀甀琀 䨀愀洀戀漀爀攀攀⸀⸀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀䴀礀 搀攀愀爀 䴀爀⸀ 䴀愀氀漀渀攀礀Ⰰഊ> ਀㸀䤀昀 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 猀甀瀀瀀氀礀 甀猀 愀氀氀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 愀渀搀 愀搀搀爀攀猀猀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀ഊ>-- anyone -- who could supply us all.... ਀ഊ[snip!] ਀ഊSince you asked.... ਀ഊThe company that manufactured the "Italian Folding Chairs" with the ਀氀椀漀渀猀✀ 栀攀愀搀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀 攀渀搀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀爀洀猀 ⠀愀氀猀漀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀猀 ∀匀愀瘀漀渀愀爀漀氀愀 䌀栀愀椀爀猀∀⤀ ഊhas just ceased producing them. Similar versions of the ਀昀椀昀琀攀攀渀琀栀ⴀ挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最 ⠀漀爀 渀漀渀ⴀ⤀ 挀栀愀椀爀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 ഊDesign Toscano catalogue, but are hand-carved and cost a kilobuck :-( ਀ഊI *can*, however, cite some print sources with plans and directions for ਀戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 猀攀愀琀椀渀最㨀ഊ ਀∀䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀 匀愀瘀漀渀愀爀漀氀愀 伀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀愀氀 䌀栀愀椀爀 䌀漀瀀椀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 ㄀㔀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 倀椀攀挀攀⸀∀ഊ_Workbench_ magazine, September-October 1985. p. 118-119. The 12-curved ਀氀攀最最攀搀 挀栀愀椀爀 琀栀愀琀 漀氀搀攀爀 匀挀愀搀椀愀渀猀 最漀琀 愀琀 倀椀攀爀 䤀 琀眀攀氀瘀攀 漀爀 猀漀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀∀䄀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 䌀栀愀椀爀∀Ⰰ 戀礀 圀椀氀氀椀愀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀栀椀爀攀 ⠀猀椀挀⤀⸀  伀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 椀渀 吀䤀 ⌀㐀　Ⰰ ഊFall A.S. X, reprinted in TI #78, Spring 1986. p. 21. Less complicated than ਀琀栀攀 ഊabove, but appears to produce a chair more closely resembling earlier ਀洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 挀栀愀椀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀∀䄀 匀椀洀瀀氀攀 䜀漀琀栀椀挀 䈀攀渀挀栀Ⰰ∀ 戀礀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 䐀愀昀礀搀搀 愀瀀 䜀眀礀猀琀礀氀 ⠀猀椀挀⤀Ⰰ 椀渀 开吀栀攀 伀愀欀开 ഊ(the annual A & S newsletter of the Kingdom of Atlantia), #6 (1993) p. 3-9 ਀⠀眀椀琀栀 攀爀爀愀琀愀 椀渀 ⌀㜀Ⰰ 瀀⸀ ㈀㠀⤀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 琀爀椀攀搀 愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 礀攀琀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 䤀 氀愀挀欀 眀漀漀搀眀漀爀欀椀渀最 猀欀椀氀氀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 ഊwoodworkers who have looked at them say that they look do-able. ਀ഊ>I can buy a folding canvas-seated director's chair on sale at Target for ਀㸀氀攀猀猀 琀栀愀渀 ␀㈀　⸀  䌀愀渀 礀漀甀 搀漀 洀攀 戀攀琀琀攀爀㼀ഊ ਀䄀氀愀猀Ⰰ 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 栀攀氀瀀 戀甀琀 眀漀渀搀攀爀㨀  琀栀攀 刀攀瘀⸀ 圀愀爀 愀渀搀 䌀椀瘀 圀愀爀 ഊgroups buy their tents, etc. rather than make them because there are ਀猀甀瀀瀀氀椀攀爀猀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀猀猀ⴀ瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀 琀栀攀 椀琀攀洀猀 愀琀 愀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀 瀀爀椀挀攀⸀  圀栀愀琀 椀昀 ഊsomeone approached a cabinetmaker and said, "If you can find a way to ਀瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀 琀栀椀猀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 挀栀愀椀爀 昀漀爀 甀渀搀攀爀 㰀最爀愀戀戀椀渀最 愀 昀椀最甀爀攀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀 愀椀爀㸀 ഊ$100.00, I know a couple hundred people who would buy one (or two). ਀圀栀愀搀搀愀礀愀 猀愀礀㼀∀ഊ ਀䴀椀最栀琀 戀攀 眀漀爀琀栀 琀爀礀椀渀最⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䌀栀攀攀爀猀Ⰰ ഊD.Peters ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 最爀愀礀 愀琀 椀戀椀猀⸀挀猀⸀甀洀愀猀猀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䰀礀氀攀 䜀爀愀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 一漀琀 堀 䌀栀愀椀爀猀ഊDate: 16 Jul 1996 00:28:11 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䌀䴀倀匀䌀䤀 䐀攀瀀愀爀琀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 唀䴀愀猀猀 䄀洀栀攀爀猀琀ഊ ਀䐀椀挀欀 䔀渀攀礀 ⠀搀椀挀欀攀渀攀礀 愀琀 愀挀挀攀猀猀㄀⸀搀椀最攀砀⸀渀攀琀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ: Folding X chairs go back to Renaissance Italy, and 12th Century Germany ਀㨀 䤀䤀刀䌀⸀  䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 挀愀渀瘀愀猀 猀攀愀琀攀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 搀漀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀愀挀欀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 漀渀攀 愀琀 琀栀攀 䴀攀琀爀漀瀀漀氀椀琀愀渀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 漀昀 䄀爀琀 眀椀琀栀 愀 戀愀挀欀⸀⸀⸀ഊ------------------------------------------------------ NON ANIMAM CONTINE ਀䰀礀氀攀 䠀⸀ 䜀爀愀礀                       䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 ⠀瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀⤀㨀 最爀愀礀 愀琀 挀猀⸀甀洀愀猀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊ Phone: (860) 728-6777, FAX: (860) 247-0249 ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊ ਀ഊFrom: Kel Rekuta ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Not X Chairs ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㘀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 　㄀㨀㌀㐀㨀㄀㐀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: HookUp Communication Corporation, Oakville, Ontario, CANADA ਀ ഊ> Anybody know how far back folding cloth and wood "director"-style chairs ਀㸀 最漀㼀  䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀礀 最漀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 愀猀 昀愀爀 戀愀挀欀 愀猀 琀栀攀 ㄀㠀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀渀礀ഊ> further? ਀㸀 ഊ> PS: Those two-piecer low "camp chairs" that a lot of folks sell date back ਀㸀 琀漀 愀 ㄀㤀㌀　猀 䈀漀礀 匀挀漀甀琀 䨀愀洀戀漀爀攀攀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 一愀瀀漀氀攀漀渀椀挀 挀愀洀瀀 挀栀愀椀爀猀 瘀攀爀礀 氀椀欀攀 漀甀爀ഊ"directors" chairs: see Ole Wanscher, Sela Curulis: The Folding Stool. ਀ഊIf you email, I'll dig out my photocopies for reference #'s. ਀ഊThe "x" chair really was the thing for a *loonng* time. There were all ਀欀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀愀渀琀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀洀⸀ 吀栀攀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最 猀琀漀漀氀 眀愀猀 最漀漀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀 昀漀爀 欀椀渀最猀 ഊand princes of the church. I believe your problem with them is one of two ਀琀栀椀渀最猀⸀ 䴀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 搀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 戀愀挀欀 爀攀猀琀 猀甀戀猀琀愀渀琀椀愀氀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 ഊrecline against like we are accustomed to in modern chairs. ਀ഊThe other thing that may be the problem is you have made one *opulent* ਀攀渀漀甀最栀℀ 嘀攀氀瘀攀琀 猀琀甀昀昀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 搀漀眀渀Ⰰ 昀椀渀攀 猀漀昀琀 氀攀愀琀栀攀爀 漀渀 琀栀攀 愀爀洀猀Ⰰഊgilt and carving on the legs and feet.... oooh! ਀ഊYou will be the envy of the gang if you laze about at events on such ਀洀漀瘀愀戀氀攀猀℀ഊ ਀䌀攀愀氀氀愀挀栀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: pat at lalaw.lib.CA.US (Pat Lammerts) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: x-chairs ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㔀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㈀㌀㨀㐀㤀㨀㔀㜀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: The Internet ਀ഊMany years ago, at one of the Estrella Wars, I purchased ਀愀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ⴀ氀漀漀欀椀渀最 砀 挀栀愀椀爀 昀爀漀洀 愀 洀攀爀挀栀愀渀琀 昀爀漀洀ഊTennessee. He said that he was using a design from ਀愀 氀漀挀愀氀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀 洀愀猀琀攀爀⸀  䤀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 椀猀 愀 眀漀渀搀攀爀昀甀氀 搀攀猀椀最渀⸀ഊIt is all wood, with wooden slats for the seat that pivot ਀漀渀 洀攀琀愀氀 爀漀搀猀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀愀猀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 椀渀 愀渀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 瀀漀猀琀 戀礀ഊTamar the Gypsy. It is very comfortable and it folds ਀爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 昀氀愀琀⸀  唀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀攀 ഊmerchant or the Laurel who designed the chair. The ਀戀甀猀椀渀攀猀猀 挀愀爀搀 搀椀猀愀瀀瀀攀愀爀攀搀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 搀爀椀瘀攀 戀愀挀欀 昀爀漀洀ഊEstrella. I have been trying for years to find out ਀琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀攀爀挀栀愀渀琀 愀渀搀⼀漀爀 琀栀攀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 䤀ഊhave wanted to purchase more of these wonderful chairs. ਀吀栀攀 漀渀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 戀漀甀最栀琀 挀漀猀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 ␀㔀　⸀　　⸀  一漀琀 挀栀攀愀瀀Ⰰഊbut worth the price. ਀ഊThe chair looks something likes this: ਀      开开开开开ഊO____/ \____O ਀ 尀开开开开开开开开开开开开开⼀  㰀ⴀ 挀栀愀椀爀 戀愀挀欀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀愀戀氀攀 ഊ \ / ਀   尀         ⼀ഊ \=======/<- seat, slats on pivoting metal rods ਀     尀     ⼀ഊ \ / ਀       尀 ⼀ഊ O ਀       ⼀ 尀ഊ / \ ਀     ⼀     尀ഊ / \ ਀   ⼀         尀ഊ O O <- octagonal dowels ਀ഊIf anyone knows the merchant or the Laurel who designed the ਀挀栀愀椀爀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀爀攀 䤀 挀愀渀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 攀椀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 䤀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 攀琀攀爀渀愀氀氀礀ഊgrateful for the information. ਀ഊYours, ਀ഊHuette ਀ഊP.s. Yaakov, this chair has back support and can easily fit into ਀礀漀甀爀 匀愀琀甀爀渀⸀ഊ+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ਀⬀ 䴀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀 䠀甀攀琀琀攀 䄀氀椀稀愀 瘀漀渀 甀渀搀 稀甀 䄀栀爀攀渀猀 甀渀搀 䴀攀挀栀琀栀椀氀搀戀攀爀最 ⬀ഊ+ Ars non gratia artis, sed gratia pecuniae + ਀⬀                     䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䌀愀椀搀                       ⬀ഊ+ Barony of the Angels, Canton of the Canyons + ਀⬀                   ⠀瀀愀琀 愀琀 氀愀氀愀眀⸀氀椀戀⸀挀愀⸀甀猀⤀                   ⬀ഊ+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 栀爀樀漀渀攀猀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 刀漀猀攀 䨀漀渀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 砀ⴀ挀栀愀椀爀猀ഊDate: 17 Jul 1996 18:51:02 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ ਀倀愀琀 䰀愀洀洀攀爀琀猀 ⠀瀀愀琀 愀琀 氀愀氀愀眀⸀氀椀戀⸀䌀䄀⸀唀匀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ: Many years ago, at one of the Estrella Wars, I purchased ਀㨀 愀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ⴀ氀漀漀欀椀渀最 砀 挀栀愀椀爀 昀爀漀洀 愀 洀攀爀挀栀愀渀琀 昀爀漀洀ഊ... ਀㨀 吀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀 氀漀漀欀猀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀猀 琀栀椀猀㨀ഊ: _____ ਀㨀 伀开开开开⼀     尀开开开开伀ഊ: \_____________/ <- chair back that is removable ਀㨀   尀           ⼀ഊ: \ / ਀㨀     尀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀⼀㰀ⴀ 猀攀愀琀Ⰰ 猀氀愀琀猀 漀渀 瀀椀瘀漀琀椀渀最 洀攀琀愀氀 爀漀搀猀ഊ: \ / ਀㨀       尀   ⼀ഊ: \ / ਀㨀         伀ഊ: / \ ਀㨀       ⼀   尀ഊ: / \ ਀㨀     ⼀       尀ഊ: / \ ਀㨀   伀           伀 㰀ⴀ 漀挀琀愀最漀渀愀氀 搀漀眀攀氀猀 ഊ ਀䔀砀挀攀瀀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 搀攀猀椀最渀 氀漀漀欀猀 琀漀 戀攀 琀愀欀攀渀 昀爀漀洀 愀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀ഊSwiss chair (currently in the Zurich Landesmuseum). It would be quite a ਀猀椀洀瀀氀攀 搀攀猀椀最渀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀漀爀攀 猀瀀愀爀椀渀最 漀昀 眀漀漀搀 ⠀愀渀搀 氀愀戀漀爀⤀ 琀栀愀渀 琀栀漀猀攀ഊwith curved legs. (Backs of this general appearance can be found on other ਀攀砀琀愀渀琀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最 挀栀愀椀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀⤀ഊ ਀吀愀渀最眀礀猀琀礀氀 瘀攀爀挀栀 䴀漀爀最愀渀琀 䜀氀愀猀瘀爀礀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: powers at skink.cis.ohio-state.edu (william thomas powers) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: x-chairs ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㜀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㜀㨀㐀㘀㨀　㘀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science ਀ഊthere is another catagory of possible "lawn" chairs (would not a good hempen ਀挀愀渀瘀愀猀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀 洀甀挀栀 洀漀爀攀 眀攀椀最栀琀 琀栀愀渀 ∀氀愀眀渀∀㼀⤀ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 挀愀氀氀 琀栀椀猀ഊnot an X chair but a "double U" chair. The examples I have are made from ਀眀爀漀甀最栀琀 椀爀漀渀 愀渀搀 愀爀攀 戀愀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀 猀栀愀瀀瀀攀搀 氀椀欀攀ഊ ਀  伀                     伀ഊ | | ਀  簀                     簀ഊ | | ਀  簀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀簀  㰀㴀 猀攀愀琀ഊ | | ਀   尀                   ⼀ഊ \________X________/ ਀     开开开开开开开开堀开开开开开开开开ഊ / \ ਀   ⼀                   尀ഊ | | ਀  簀                     簀  ഊ | | ਀  簀                     簀  ഊ__| |__ ਀   ഊ The seat is a piece of canvas or leather and is slung from two rods that ਀最漀 昀爀漀洀 昀爀漀渀琀 琀漀 戀愀挀欀 瀀愀爀琀椀愀氀氀礀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀攀愀挀栀 琀漀瀀 瘀攀爀琀椀挀愀氀 瀀椀攀挀攀 洀愀欀攀猀 愀 猀栀愀爀瀀 挀甀爀瘀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 爀甀渀猀 瀀愀爀愀氀氀攀氀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀ഊother one crossing over at the __X__ to form the opposite lower piece. ਀   ഊ There is a good example in one of Oppi Untrachts books "Metalworking ਀琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀猀 昀漀爀 䌀爀愀昀琀猀洀攀渀∀ ⠀㼀⤀ 愀渀搀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀漀琀栀攀戀礀✀猀 䌀愀琀愀氀漀最甀攀ഊ"European Works of Art, Arms and Armour, Furniture and Tapestries", ਀一攀眀 夀漀爀欀Ⰰ 䨀愀渀 ㄀㌀ ☀ ㄀㔀 ㄀㤀㤀㈀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 昀漀氀搀 甀瀀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀猀 昀氀愀琀 愀猀 愀渀 堀 挀栀愀椀爀㬀 戀甀琀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀ഊtask to put a back on it like a director's chair. ਀ഊI started to forge one once but used too thin a stock. I think I may ਀搀椀最 漀甀琀 琀栀攀 昀甀氀氀 猀挀愀氀攀 搀爀愀眀椀渀最 䤀 搀椀搀 愀渀搀 最漀 戀甀礀 猀漀洀攀 椀爀漀渀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀愀渀搀 琀爀礀ഊit again. ਀ഊwilelm the smith ਀   ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 栀爀樀漀渀攀猀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 刀漀猀攀 䨀漀渀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 一漀琀 堀 䌀栀愀椀爀猀ഊDate: 16 Jul 1996 05:39:17 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ ਀䤀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 琀栀爀攀愀搀Ⰰ 䤀 洀愀搀攀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 愀 戀漀漀欀 䤀 栀愀搀 漀渀挀攀 猀攀攀渀ഊon the history of chairs (my source for the Napoleonic camp chair ਀爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀⤀⸀ 䤀 眀愀猀 椀渀 攀爀爀漀爀 ⴀⴀ 椀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 挀栀愀椀爀猀 戀甀琀ഊspecifically a history of folding chairs. Given the high volume on this ਀琀栀爀攀愀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 搀攀琀愀椀氀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 戀攀 椀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀 栀攀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀圀愀渀猀挀栀攀爀Ⰰ 伀氀攀⸀ ∀匀攀氀氀愀 䌀甀爀甀氀椀猀㨀 琀栀攀 䘀漀氀搀椀渀最 匀琀漀漀氀Ⰰ 愀渀 䄀渀挀椀攀渀琀 匀礀洀戀漀氀 漀昀ഊDignity." Copenhagen: Rosenkilde and Bagger, 1980. ISBN 87-423-0337-0 ਀ഊThe book is in English, runs 350 pages, and contains probably close to 200 ਀瀀氀愀琀攀猀 戀漀琀栀 漀昀 愀爀琀椀猀琀椀挀 搀攀瀀椀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最 挀栀愀椀爀猀 愀渀搀 漀昀 愀挀琀甀愀氀ഊsurviving chairs -- many of them pre-1600. There are also extensive scale ਀搀爀愀眀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 猀挀栀攀洀愀琀椀挀猀Ⰰ 戀礀 眀栀椀挀栀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀爀琀椀昀愀挀琀猀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀ഊreconstructed by those with intermediate-level skills. There is material ਀栀攀爀攀 昀漀爀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 昀甀渀 瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀猀℀ഊ ਀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 椀猀 椀渀 氀椀戀爀愀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 唀䌀ഊBerkeley library definitely has a copy. ਀ഊTangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 瀀漀眀攀爀猀 愀琀 猀欀椀渀欀⸀挀椀猀⸀漀栀椀漀ⴀ猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀眀椀氀氀椀愀洀 琀栀漀洀愀猀 瀀漀眀攀爀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 一漀琀 堀 䌀栀愀椀爀猀ഊDate: 18 Jul 1996 15:05:06 -0400 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 吀栀攀 伀栀椀漀 匀琀愀琀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀Ⰰ 䐀攀瀀愀爀琀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 䌀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 䤀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 匀挀椀攀渀挀攀ഊ ਀眀椀氀攀氀洀 栀攀爀攀㨀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 戀攀攀渀 愀猀欀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 猀漀爀挀攀猀 䤀 眀愀猀 甀猀椀渀最 昀漀爀 洀礀 瀀漀猀琀ഊon chairs---always a compliment!!!-- I was unfortunate in that my ਀洀攀猀猀愀最攀 椀渀 爀攀琀甀爀渀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 洀椀猀ⴀ氀愀椀搀⸀  䈀攀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 最攀爀洀愀渀攀ഊI have taken the liberty of posting the contents here: ਀ഊRe: my sources for the metal double U chairs ਀ഊ> Is this medieval? It is not clear from your sources if they deal ਀㸀 漀渀氀礀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 椀琀攀洀猀⸀ഊ ਀䴀椀氀漀爀搀㬀 䤀 愀洀 椀渀 栀愀猀琀攀 戀甀琀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 洀漀爀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 礀漀甀㨀ഊ_Metal Techniques for Craftsmen_, Oppi Untracht, isbn 0-385-03027-4 ਀ ഊpage 274: "X-Chair, wrought iron with leather seat sling and crystal ਀栀愀渀搀 最爀椀瀀猀Ⰰ 䘀爀攀渀挀栀Ⰰ 挀⸀ ㄀㐀　　Ⰰ 倀栀椀氀愀搀攀氀瀀栀椀愀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 漀昀 䄀爀琀∀ഊ ਀䄀甀挀琀椀漀渀 䌀愀琀愀氀漀最甀攀Ⰰ 匀漀琀栀攀戀礀✀猀Ⰰ ∀䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀 圀漀爀欀猀 漀昀 䄀爀琀Ⰰ 䄀爀洀猀 愀渀搀 䄀爀洀漀甀爀ⰀഊTapestries and Furniture", New York January 13 & 15 1992 ਀ ഊLot 455: "A Pair of Italian Brass and Wrought-Iron Curule Form Stools, ਀㄀㜀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 琀眀椀猀琀攀搀 眀爀漀甀最栀琀 椀爀漀渀 昀爀愀洀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀琀氀礀 挀栀愀猀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 猀挀愀氀攀ഊpatterns the four corners set with turned brass finials, with later ਀氀攀愀琀栀攀爀 猀攀愀琀猀Ⰰ ␀㈀　　　 ⴀ ㌀　　　⸀∀ഊ ਀一漀琀攀 琀栀攀 ㄀㜀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 ⨀洀甀挀栀⨀ 瀀氀愀椀渀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㐀　　 漀渀攀Ⰰഊwhich is of such well developed design as to indicate that it is ਀渀漀琀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 漀渀攀 攀瘀攀爀 洀愀搀攀㬀 戀甀琀 攀砀椀猀琀猀 猀漀洀攀眀栀攀爀攀 愀氀漀渀最 愀 搀攀猀椀最渀ഊtimeline. ਀ ഊSo I would loosely allocate this form as Pre 1400 through at least the ਀㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ഊ ਀䤀渀 䄀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀㨀 开䔀渀挀礀挀氀漀瀀攀搀椀愀 漀昀 匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 䘀甀爀渀椀琀甀爀攀 䐀攀猀椀最渀猀开Ⰰ 䨀漀猀攀✀ ഊClaret Rubira, isbn 0-8069-7902-X , has 14 designs for chairs from the ਀㄀㐀琀栀 琀漀 琀栀攀 攀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀眀漀 搀攀猀椀最渀猀 昀漀爀 戀攀渀挀栀攀猀 眀椀琀栀ഊbacks!, as well. These are all in wood. (fairly good line drawings ਀眀椀琀栀 ∀挀氀漀猀攀 甀瀀猀∀ 漀昀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀漀爀攀 漀爀渀愀琀攀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀⸀  䤀琀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀猀ഊchests, tables, etc and covers the 14th through the 19th centuries.) ਀ഊwilelm the smith "Better living through Medievalism" TM ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䴀挀䬀愀礀 㰀洀挀欀愀礀开洀椀挀栀愀攀氀 愀琀 琀愀渀搀攀洀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 一漀琀 堀 䌀栀愀椀爀猀ഊDate: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:15:22 +0000 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䄀琀愀氀氀愀Ⰰ 䄀 吀愀渀搀攀洀 䌀漀洀瀀愀渀礀ഊ ਀吀漀漀欀 愀 挀氀愀猀猀 愀琀 ㌀夀䌀 漀渀 挀栀愀椀爀猀 ⠀戀甀琀 䤀 昀漀爀最攀琀 琀栀攀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀漀爀✀猀ഊname). He had numerous examples of X chairs throughout SCA ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀  堀 挀栀愀椀爀猀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 戀礀 刀漀洀愀渀 伀昀昀椀挀攀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀愀搀 戀攀挀漀洀攀ഊsomething of a symbol of authority long after Rome lost it's ਀最氀漀爀礀⸀  䄀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 刀漀洀愀渀 洀漀搀攀氀猀 搀椀搀 昀漀氀搀Ⰰ 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊversions do not fold. The Roman connection helps explain why X ਀挀栀愀椀爀猀 愀爀攀 猀漀 攀砀琀攀渀猀椀瘀氀礀 猀攀攀渀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀漀甀琀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊ ਀匀攀愀愀渀 䴀挀䄀礀   䌀愀攀爀 䐀愀爀琀栀㬀 䐀愀爀欀眀漀漀搀㬀 䴀椀猀琀猀㬀 圀攀猀琀  ⠀匀愀渀琀愀 䌀爀甀稀Ⰰ 䌀䄀⤀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: bwc at proaxis.com (Doug Brunner) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Medieval Chairs and other problems ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㜀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 　㐀㨀　㌀㨀㐀㈀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Your Organization ਀ഊ I saw this and had to step in, sorry. I'm a woodworker, in An Tir. I ਀洀愀欀攀 愀 栀攀愀瘀礀 搀甀琀礀 挀栀愀椀爀 琀栀愀琀 眀椀氀氀 昀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 洀漀猀琀 琀爀甀渀欀猀⸀ 䤀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 戀甀椀氀琀 ഊthem for the heavies, out here. Some of them are pretty heavy. :) Anyway, the ਀挀栀愀椀爀猀 䤀 洀愀欀攀 眀椀氀氀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀 ㌀㔀　 氀戀猀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 攀砀挀攀氀氀攀渀琀 戀愀挀欀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀⸀ ഊThey're quite easy to make, if you have the tools. As far as the authenticity ਀瀀愀爀琀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 搀攀猀椀最渀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 昀漀爀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㈀㜀　　 礀攀愀爀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 猀琀礀氀攀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 ഊseen on ancient urns, from the meditteranian(sp??!! sorry). Basic design is ਀琀眀漀 戀漀愀爀搀猀⸀ 䈀漀琀栀 愀爀攀 㐀昀琀 氀漀渀最 ㈀堀㄀㈀✀猀⸀ 伀渀攀 椀猀 昀氀愀琀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀氀漀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀猀 ഊcut down to something that looks like an oar. The second one fits through the ਀昀椀爀猀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 ∀䈀氀愀搀攀∀ 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀愀爀Ⰰ 椀猀 琀栀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 猀攀愀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 瀀氀愀渀欀 椀猀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀⸀ 䤀 ഊreinforce the boards with 1/4X1 oak strips, inlaid into the boards. This ਀爀攀琀愀爀搀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀 挀栀攀挀欀椀渀最 戀礀 琀栀攀 戀漀愀爀搀猀⸀ 倀䰀䔀䄀匀䔀℀℀℀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀猀攀Ⰰ ഊuse Kiln Dried Fir, or something better. Industrial 2X12 boards are often ਀䠀攀洀氀漀挀欀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 猀瀀氀椀琀 瘀攀爀礀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 愀渀搀 愀爀攀 渀漀爀洀愀氀氀礀 猀漀氀搀 最爀攀攀渀⸀ 䄀猀 琀栀攀礀 搀爀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 ഊlove to split. If you want the chair to last, and not end up on your butt, be ਀愀 戀椀琀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀⸀ ഊ ਀        䤀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀愀渀琀猀 洀漀爀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 戀甀礀椀渀最 漀爀 戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最 礀漀甀爀 ഊown, contact me at: bwc at proaxis.com We're out of Lebanon, Or. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀漀甀最 䈀爀甀渀渀攀爀 㰀戀眀挀 愀琀 瀀爀漀愀砀椀猀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: Mark S. Harris ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㈀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㤀㨀㄀㔀㨀㌀㘀 ⴀ　㜀　　 ⠀倀䐀吀⤀ഊSubject: Re: Medieval Chairs and other problems ਀ഊFirst of all, my deepest apologies for not getting back to you, sooner. ਀圀攀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 搀漀椀渀最 戀愀挀欀ⴀ琀漀ⴀ戀愀挀欀ⴀ琀漀ⴀ戀愀挀欀 猀栀漀眀猀 愀渀搀 琀椀洀攀 椀猀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 瀀爀攀挀椀漀甀猀ഊcommodity. And, Shrewsbury Ren Faire is coming up. I'm not only a Merchant, ਀䤀✀洀 琀栀攀 匀椀琀攀 䌀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀 䴀愀渀愀最攀爀⸀ 匀漀Ⰰ 愀最愀椀渀Ⰰ 琀椀洀攀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 氀椀洀椀琀琀攀搀⸀ഊHowever, the references I saw were in the "ARTS/Furniture/History" section ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 伀爀攀最漀渀 匀琀愀琀攀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀⸀ 䤀琀✀猀 椀渀 䌀漀爀瘀愀氀氀椀猀Ⰰ 伀爀攀最漀渀⸀ 䤀琀✀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀 ㌀㔀ഊminute drive, from here. I also ran across the chairs on a pre-christian ਀䜀爀攀攀欀 唀爀渀⸀ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀攀 搀愀琀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀椀攀挀攀Ⰰ 漀爀 琀栀攀 琀椀琀氀攀⸀ 䤀琀 搀攀瀀椀挀琀攀搀ഊsome great battle and one of the heroes was sitting on a chair like I make. ਀䄀猀 䤀 最攀琀 琀椀洀攀Ⰰ ⠀䠀愀䠀愀⨀猀椀最栀⤀ 䤀 眀椀氀氀 氀漀漀欀 椀琀 甀瀀⸀ 䤀✀氀氀 欀攀攀瀀 礀漀甀爀 䔀ⴀ䴀愀椀氀 愀搀搀爀攀猀猀ഊin my files. If you don't hear from me by the first of October, I'm either ਀搀攀愀搀 昀爀漀洀 攀砀栀愀甀猀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 漀爀 䤀✀瘀攀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 昀漀爀最漀琀琀攀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀琀⸀ 䔀椀琀栀攀爀 眀愀礀Ⰰഊring my bells out here and remind me. ਀ഊDoug(Bruno)Brunner ਀吀栀攀 吀攀爀洀椀琀攀 漀昀 匀栀爀攀眀猀戀甀爀礀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: pat at lalaw.lib.CA.US (Pat Lammerts) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: X Chairs, 4 books on the subject ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㠀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㈀㈀㨀㄀㜀㨀㐀㈀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: The Internet ਀ഊHere are the particulars of the book that Tangwystyl has mentioned: ਀ഊWanscher, Ole. ਀  匀攀氀氀愀 挀甀爀甀氀椀猀 㨀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最 猀琀漀漀氀 㨀 愀渀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 猀礀洀戀漀氀 漀昀 搀椀最渀椀琀礀 ഊ/ by Ole Wanscher. -- Copenhagen : Rosenkilde and Bagger, c1980. ਀  ㌀㔀　 瀀⸀ 㨀 椀氀氀⸀ 㬀 ㈀㐀 挀洀⸀ഊ ਀  䤀匀䈀一 㠀㜀㐀㈀㌀　㌀㌀㜀　 ഊ ਀䤀琀 椀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 愀琀 琀栀攀猀攀 氀椀戀爀愀爀椀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 匀愀渀琀愀 䈀愀爀戀愀爀愀ഊYale Univ. ਀一愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 䜀愀氀氀攀爀礀 漀昀 䄀爀琀Ⰰ 圀愀猀栀椀渀最琀漀渀Ⰰ 䐀䌀ഊWinterthur Museum, Delaware ਀唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 䘀氀漀爀椀搀愀ഊEmory Univ., Georgia ਀唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 䤀漀眀愀ഊArt Museum of Chicago ਀䠀愀爀瘀愀爀搀 唀渀椀瘀⸀ഊUniv. of Michigan ਀唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 䴀椀渀渀攀猀漀琀愀ഊInstitute for Advanced Study/Historical Studies, New Jersey ਀倀爀椀渀挀攀琀漀渀 唀渀椀瘀⸀ഊState Univ. of New York, Binghamton ਀䌀漀氀甀洀戀椀愀 唀渀椀瘀⸀ഊCornell Univ. ਀䴀攀琀爀漀瀀漀氀椀琀愀渀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 漀昀 䄀爀琀Ⰰ 一攀眀 夀漀爀欀ഊNew York Public Library ਀倀椀攀爀瀀漀渀琀 䴀漀爀最愀渀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀Ⰰ 一攀眀 夀漀爀欀ഊNew York Univ. ਀䌀氀攀瘀攀氀愀渀搀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 漀昀 䄀爀琀ഊBrown Univ., Rhode Island ਀ഊThis same author also wrote this book: ਀ഊWanscher, Ole. ਀  吀栀攀 愀爀琀 漀昀 昀甀爀渀椀琀甀爀攀㬀 㔀　　　 礀攀愀爀猀 漀昀 昀甀爀渀椀琀甀爀攀 愀渀搀 椀渀琀攀爀椀漀爀猀⸀ ഊTranslated from the Danish by David Hohnen. New York, Reinhold ਀倀甀戀⸀ 䌀漀爀瀀⸀ 嬀㄀㤀㘀㜀Ⰰ 挀㄀㤀㘀㘀崀ഊ 419 p. illus. (part col.) 27 cm. ਀ഊAlso published in England by Allen and Unwin. ਀ഊThis is available in these libraries: ਀ഊUniv. of Iowa ਀唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 匀愀渀琀愀 䈀愀爀戀愀爀愀ഊUniv. of California, Berkeley ਀唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䐀愀瘀椀猀ഊContra Costa Community College, California ਀䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀 匀琀愀琀攀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀ഊGetty Center, Los Angeles, California ਀匀愀渀琀愀 䌀氀愀爀愀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀Ⰰ 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀ഊStanford Univ. California ਀一愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 䜀愀氀氀攀爀礀 漀昀 䄀爀琀Ⰰ 圀愀猀栀椀渀最琀漀渀Ⰰ 䐀䌀ഊFlorida State Univ. ਀唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 䘀氀漀爀椀搀愀ഊArt Inst. of Chicago ਀䔀瘀愀渀猀琀漀渀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀Ⰰ 䤀氀氀椀渀漀椀猀ഊBoston Museum of Fine Arts ਀唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 䴀椀挀栀椀最愀渀ഊUniv. of Minnesota ਀匀琀⸀ 䰀漀甀椀猀 䄀爀琀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀ഊBrooklyn Museum, NY ਀匀琀愀琀攀 唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 一夀Ⰰ 䈀甀昀昀愀氀漀ഊSUNY, Stony Brook ਀䌀漀氀甀洀戀椀愀 唀渀椀瘀⸀ഊCornell Univ. ਀䘀愀猀栀椀漀渀 䤀渀猀琀⸀ 漀昀 吀攀挀栀渀漀氀漀最礀Ⰰ 一夀ഊMetropolitan Museum of Art, NY ਀一攀眀 夀漀爀欀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀ഊSyracuse Univ., NY ਀一愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀 漀昀 䌀愀渀愀搀愀ഊPennsylvania State Univ. ਀吀攀洀瀀氀攀 唀渀椀瘀⸀ 倀攀渀渀猀礀氀瘀愀渀椀愀ഊUniv. of Pennsylvania ਀唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 吀攀渀渀攀猀猀攀攀ഊBrigham Young Univ., Utah ਀ഊHere is another book of interest: ਀ഊSchwartz, Marvin D. ਀  倀氀攀愀猀攀 戀攀 猀攀愀琀攀搀㬀 琀栀攀 攀瘀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀椀爀Ⰰ ㈀　　　 䈀䌀ⴀ㈀　　　䄀䐀 ഊ[by] Marvin D. Schwartz. [New York] American Federation of Arts ਀嬀㄀㤀㘀㠀崀ഊ 61 p. illus. 26 cm. ਀ഊThis is available at these libraries: ਀ഊUniv. of Minnesota ਀䜀攀琀琀礀 䌀攀渀琀攀爀Ⰰ 䰀漀猀 䄀渀最攀氀攀猀Ⰰ 䌀䄀ഊNational Gallery of Art, Washington, DC ਀唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 䘀氀漀爀椀搀愀ഊUniv. of Iowa ਀䄀爀琀 䤀渀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀 漀昀 䌀栀椀挀愀最漀ഊSUNY,Buffalo ਀匀唀一夀Ⰰ 匀琀漀渀礀 䈀爀漀漀欀ഊColumbia Univ. ਀䌀漀爀渀攀氀氀 唀渀椀瘀⸀ഊBrooklyn Museum ਀䘀愀猀栀椀漀渀 䤀渀猀琀⸀ 漀昀 吀攀挀栀渀漀氀漀最礀Ⰰ 一夀ഊMetropolitan Museum of Art, NY ਀唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 刀漀挀栀攀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 一夀ഊSyracuse Univ. NY ਀一攀眀 夀漀爀欀 唀渀椀瘀⸀ഊPennsylvania State Univ. ਀䈀爀椀最栀愀洀 夀漀甀渀最 唀渀椀瘀⸀ 唀琀愀栀ഊ ਀䄀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 琀栀攀猀椀猀㨀ഊ ਀䴀挀䌀愀爀琀栀礀Ⰰ 䨀愀渀攀 䄀⸀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㈀㈀ⴀഊ A history of the folding chair (2600 B.C. - 1900 A.D.) related ਀琀漀 甀猀攀爀 氀椀昀攀猀琀礀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 渀攀攀搀猀 ⼀ 戀礀 䨀愀渀攀 䄀⸀ 䴀挀䌀愀爀琀栀礀⸀ ⴀⴀ 嬀䤀琀栀愀挀愀Ⰰ 一⸀ 夀⸀崀 ഊ: McCarthy, 1975. ਀  砀Ⰰ ㄀㈀㠀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 㨀 椀氀氀⸀ 㬀 ㈀㠀 挀洀⸀ഊ ਀䄀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀氀礀 愀琀㨀ഊ ਀䌀漀爀渀攀氀氀 唀渀椀瘀⸀ഊ ਀䠀甀攀琀琀攀ഊ+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ਀⬀ 䴀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀 䠀甀攀琀琀攀 䄀氀椀稀愀 瘀漀渀 甀渀搀 稀甀 䄀栀爀攀渀猀 甀渀搀 䴀攀挀栀琀栀椀氀搀戀攀爀最 ⬀ഊ+ Ars non gratia artis, sed gratia pecuniae + ਀⬀                     䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䌀愀椀搀                       ⬀ഊ+ Barony of the Angels, Canton of the Canyons + ਀⬀                   ⠀瀀愀琀 愀琀 氀愀氀愀眀⸀氀椀戀⸀挀愀⸀甀猀⤀                   ⬀ഊ+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀椀愀渀愀 䐀椀氀氀猀 㰀搀搀椀氀氀猀 愀琀 甀⸀眀愀猀栀椀渀最琀漀渀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 堀 䌀栀愀椀爀猀 䄀刀䔀 倀攀爀椀漀搀ഊDate: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:41:10 -0700 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 圀愀猀栀椀渀最琀漀渀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 愀 眀漀漀搀挀甀琀Ⰰ 漀爀 攀琀挀栀椀渀最⸀⸀⸀渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀Ⰰഊmaybe it was a line drawing--dating from the 13th c of a night putting on ਀栀椀猀 愀爀洀漀爀Ⰰ 猀攀愀琀攀搀 漀渀 愀渀 堀 挀愀洀瀀猀琀漀漀氀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 昀漀爀 愀氀氀 椀渀琀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀猀ഊidentical to the 1930's vintage Boy Scout camp stool. I was able to find ਀㐀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 愀琀 圀愀氀 䴀愀爀琀 昀漀爀 ␀㔀⸀㤀㤀 攀愀挀栀⸀  伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 䤀 猀琀椀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 洀礀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀ഊchests for seating, too... ਀ഊ DIANA DILLS ਀       ⨀唀圀倀䐀⨀ഊddills at u.washington.edu ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 栀愀戀甀爀愀 愀琀 洀愀琀椀猀猀攀⸀椀琀猀⸀爀瀀椀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䄀渀搀爀攀愀 䴀愀爀椀攀 䠀愀戀甀爀愀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 一漀琀 堀 䌀栀愀椀爀猀ഊDate: 17 Jul 1996 00:57:12 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 刀攀渀猀猀攀氀愀攀爀 倀漀氀礀琀攀挀栀渀椀挀 䤀渀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀ഊ ਀伀渀 搀攀愀氀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 戀攀渀挀栀攀猀㨀 吀栀攀 䴀攀爀漀搀攀 䄀氀琀愀爀瀀椀攀挀攀 ⠀挀⸀ ㄀㐀㈀㔀⤀ 猀栀漀眀猀 愀 ഊwoman seated on the floor beside a bench, using it as a support ਀眀栀椀氀攀 猀栀攀 爀攀愀搀猀⸀ ⠀䤀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 嘀椀爀最椀渀 䴀愀爀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀✀猀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀搀 琀漀 ഊrepresent the Annunciation; you can tell by the vase of lilies on ਀琀栀攀 琀愀戀氀攀 戀攀猀椀搀攀 栀攀爀⸀ 䈀甀琀 琀栀攀 戀攀渀挀栀 椀猀 开眀愀礀开 䜀漀琀栀椀挀⸀⤀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 戀攀渀挀栀 氀漀漀欀猀 洀甀挀栀 氀椀欀攀 愀 猀琀爀愀椀最栀琀ⴀ戀愀挀欀攀搀 挀栀甀爀挀栀 瀀攀眀⸀ 䨀甀搀最椀渀最 昀爀漀洀ഊthe scale of the woman leaning against it, and accounding for the ਀氀攀猀猀ⴀ琀栀愀渀ⴀ瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀 瀀攀爀猀瀀攀挀琀椀瘀攀 搀爀愀眀椀渀最Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 㔀✀ 氀漀渀最Ⰰ 栀愀猀 愀 ഊlow latticework back about 1' high, side armrests the same height, ਀愀 猀攀愀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀㠀∀ 搀攀攀瀀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 昀漀漀琀爀攀猀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀㠀∀ 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 攀搀最攀 漀昀ഊthe seat. Here's an ASCII sketch, side view: ਀ഊ ============ ਀             簀          簀ഊ | | ਀             簀          簀ഊ ++++++++++++ <--seat level ਀             簀          簀ഊ | | ਀             簀          簀ഊ | | ਀          㴀㴀㴀簀          簀 ഊ ਀䄀猀 䤀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 眀漀洀愀渀 椀猀 渀漀琀 猀攀愀琀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀攀渀挀栀 瀀攀爀 猀攀⸀ 匀栀攀 猀攀攀洀猀 ഊto be seated on the footrest, based on the location and angle of her ਀氀攀昀琀 欀渀攀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀栀攀✀猀 氀攀愀渀椀渀最 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 琀栀攀 猀攀愀琀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 栀攀爀 氀攀昀琀 昀漀爀攀愀爀洀ഊresting on the seat at a right angle to the back. Her left elbow ਀爀攀猀琀猀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 ⠀愀瀀瀀爀漀砀 ㈀✀ 漀渀 愀 猀椀搀攀⤀ 猀焀甀愀爀攀 瀀椀氀氀漀眀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 瀀爀漀瀀瀀攀搀ഊagainst the back of the bench. ਀ഊNow, me, I have scoliosis. If I tried to sit this way for more ਀琀栀愀渀 琀眀攀渀琀礀 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 吀礀氀攀渀漀氀 吀椀洀攀⸀ 䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 椀昀 䤀 ഊwere to settle that nice big pillow into the small of my back and actually ਀猀椀琀 漀渀 琀栀愀琀 戀攀渀挀栀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀爀礀 琀漀 氀漀漀欀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀焀甀攀Ⰰ 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 ഊhold out for a while; footrests are a Good Thing, and sadly underprovided ਀椀渀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 猀攀愀琀椀渀最⸀ ഊ ਀吀栀攀 戀攀渀挀栀 椀猀 瀀攀最最攀搀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 氀漀漀欀猀 琀漀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 漀甀琀 漀昀 眀栀愀琀 挀漀甀氀搀ഊbe broken down into five flat pieces (two armrests/legs, seat, back, ਀愀渀搀 昀漀漀琀爀攀猀琀⤀⸀ 䄀 猀栀漀爀琀攀爀 戀攀渀挀栀ⴀⴀ昀漀甀爀 昀攀攀琀㼀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 昀椀琀琀愀戀氀攀 椀渀琀漀 ഊany car you could camp from. ਀ഊAn aside, I believe to Allesaundre: I don't think it's "cruel" ਀琀漀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 漀渀攀 眀愀礀 漀昀 甀猀椀渀最 愀 戀攀渀挀栀 愀猀 愀 戀愀挀欀爀攀猀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀✀洀 漀渀攀 漀昀 ഊthe people you were defending. As I've mentioned, my back problem ਀眀漀甀氀搀 欀攀攀瀀 洀攀 昀爀漀洀 甀猀椀渀最 愀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀 戀攀渀挀栀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀渀 愀猀 愀 戀愀挀欀爀攀猀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 ഊthat just means that I'd have to scout out another Period solution, ਀椀昀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀⸀ 䄀渀搀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 樀甀猀琀 琀栀愀琀⸀ ഊ ਀䤀 最甀攀猀猀 䤀 瀀攀爀挀攀椀瘀攀 琀栀椀猀 愀猀 戀攀椀渀最 渀漀 洀漀爀攀 ∀挀爀甀攀氀∀ 琀栀愀渀 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀渀最 ഊsekanjabin syrup as a summer drink to an audience that may include ਀搀椀愀戀攀琀椀挀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 椀猀 ∀䤀✀洀 猀漀爀爀礀Ⰰ 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 甀猀攀 琀栀愀琀 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀ഊbecause of health reasons. Do you have any other suggestions?" ਀ഊAlison MacDermot ਀⨀䔀砀 唀渀最甀攀 䰀攀漀渀攀洀⨀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: powers at skink.cis.ohio-state.edu (william thomas powers) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Not X Chairs ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㜀㨀㈀　㨀㔀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science ਀ഊThis looks like a good thread to mention another "style" of bench, those with ਀戀愀挀欀猀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 昀氀椀瀀瀀攀搀 琀漀 挀栀愀渀最攀 琀栀攀 ∀昀爀漀渀琀∀ 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀攀渀挀栀 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀 ∀戀愀挀欀∀ഊand vice versa. ਀ഊThese are often shown near a fireplace so that when you have toasted one side ਀漀昀 礀漀甀爀猀攀氀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 昀氀椀瀀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 愀渀搀 搀漀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀℀ഊ ਀䄀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀Ⰰ ⠀琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 椀猀 樀甀猀琀 愀渀 漀挀琀愀最漀渀愀氀 戀愀爀 洀漀甀渀琀攀搀 漀渀 猀栀漀爀琀 椀爀漀渀ഊstraps that pivot around a peg(?)) is shown in "St. Barbara Reading", by the ਀䴀愀猀琀攀爀 漀昀 䘀氀攀✀洀愀氀氀攀Ⰰ 搀愀琀攀搀 ㄀㐀㌀㠀 愀渀搀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 倀爀愀搀漀   吀栀椀猀 瀀愀椀渀琀椀渀最 ഊalso shows a small multiple X stool being used as an end table. ਀ഊwilelm the smith ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀愀瘀椀搀 䘀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀 㰀搀搀昀爀 愀琀 搀愀瘀椀搀搀昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 倀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀栀愀椀爀ഊDate: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:58:54 GMT ਀ഊI've just webbed an article written for the next edition of the ਀䴀椀猀挀攀氀氀愀渀礀㬀 椀琀✀猀 愀琀㨀ഊhttp://www.daviddfriedman.com/Medieval/Articles/chair_article/A%20Period% ਀㈀　䌀栀愀椀爀⸀栀琀洀ഊ ਀䤀琀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀猀 愀 搀攀猀椀最渀 昀漀爀 愀 挀栀愀椀爀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 ⠀氀愀琀攀⤀ 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 琀漀漀 栀愀爀搀 琀漀 ഊmake, and can be very portable. It is essentially a three legged stool ਀眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 氀攀最 攀砀琀攀渀搀攀搀 甀瀀 琀漀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 愀 戀愀挀欀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀⸀ ഊ ਀䌀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 眀攀氀挀漀洀攀⸀ഊ-- ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀⼀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊwww.daviddfriedman.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀愀瘀椀搀 䘀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀 㰀搀搀昀爀 愀琀 搀愀瘀椀搀搀昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 倀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀栀愀椀爀ഊDate: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 06:32:35 GMT ਀ഊTed Eisenstein wrote: ਀㸀 㸀 䤀琀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀猀 愀 搀攀猀椀最渀 昀漀爀 愀 挀栀愀椀爀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 ⠀氀愀琀攀⤀ 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 琀漀漀 栀愀爀搀 琀漀ഊ> > make, and can be very portable. It is essentially a three legged stool ਀㸀 㸀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 氀攀最 攀砀琀攀渀搀攀搀 甀瀀 琀漀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 愀 戀愀挀欀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀⸀ഊ> . . . speaking of chairs with back support. . . are there any that are ਀㸀 愀⤀ 挀漀氀氀愀瀀猀椀戀氀攀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀眀椀猀攀 猀甀椀琀愀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 猀挀栀氀攀瀀瀀椀渀最 愀爀漀甀渀搀 椀渀 愀 琀爀甀挀欀Ⰰഊ> and b) suitable for Pennsic (i.e., reasonably period-looking), and, ਀㸀 洀漀猀琀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀氀礀 挀⤀ 猀甀椀琀愀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 戀愀搀 戀愀挀欀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀ഊ> of arthritis? (support would be nice. comfort would be nice.) ਀㸀 ഊ> Alban ਀ഊThe one I describe comes apart into small pieces, so is very ਀琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀⸀ 䤀琀✀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最ⴀⴀ椀渀搀攀攀搀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 ഊguarantee all the details. ਀ഊAs for the third requirement, I haven't used it enough to judge. The ਀戀愀挀欀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀 椀猀 愀 挀甀爀瘀攀搀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 眀漀漀搀 愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 攀砀琀攀渀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊthird leg. ਀ഊFor other alternatives, I have a "conjecturally authentic" design for a ਀洀甀挀栀 洀漀爀攀 猀甀戀猀琀愀渀琀椀愀氀 挀栀愀椀爀ⴀⴀ椀⸀攀⸀ 漀渀攀 琀栀愀琀 甀猀攀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀攀挀栀渀漀氀漀最礀 愀渀搀 ഊmaterials but isn't based on any period original. It also takes apart, ਀戀甀琀 眀攀椀最栀猀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀 愀猀 洀甀挀栀⸀ 䤀昀 戀甀椀氀琀 琀漀 礀漀甀爀 搀椀洀攀渀猀椀漀渀猀 椀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 ഊbe pretty comfortable. It will be in the next Miscellany, as an addition ਀琀漀 琀栀攀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 漀渀 挀漀渀樀攀挀琀甀爀愀氀氀礀 愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀 昀甀爀渀椀琀甀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 椀渀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 礀攀愀爀猀 椀猀 愀 挀栀愀椀爀 洀愀搀攀 戀礀 愀 ഊwoodworker named Hal, whose location is near the food court. I believe ਀琀栀攀 昀椀爀洀 渀愀洀攀 椀猀 ∀䨀愀挀琀愀渀挀攀⸀∀ 䤀琀✀猀 挀漀洀昀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 愀渀搀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 漀渀氀礀 ഊsemi-portable--it folds, but not flat. ਀ⴀⴀ ഊDavid/Cariadoc ਀眀眀眀⸀搀愀瘀椀搀搀昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: tom at his.com (Tom Rettie) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Portable period chair ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㠀 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㌀ ㄀㌀㨀㈀㜀㨀㄀㤀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䘀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀 㰀搀搀昀爀 愀琀 搀愀瘀椀搀搀昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀 ഊ> The one I describe comes apart into small pieces, so is very ਀㸀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀⸀ 䤀琀✀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最ⴀⴀ椀渀搀攀攀搀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 ഊ> guarantee all the details. ਀㸀 ഊ> As for the third requirement, I haven't used it enough to judge. The ਀㸀 戀愀挀欀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀 椀猀 愀 挀甀爀瘀攀搀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 眀漀漀搀 愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 攀砀琀攀渀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊ> third leg. ਀ഊYour Grace, ਀ഊI've made three of these backstools now, and I'm very happy with them ਀椀渀 琀攀爀洀猀 漀昀 戀愀挀欀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 瀀愀爀琀 椀猀 琀漀 昀椀琀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 礀漀甀爀ഊparticular needs. I've found three variations in period: the most ਀挀漀洀洀漀渀 栀愀猀 愀 戀漀眀攀搀 戀愀挀欀爀攀猀琀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀眀漀 猀琀甀琀猀Ⰰ 氀攀猀猀 挀漀洀洀漀渀氀礀 琀栀攀ഊbackrest is turned, and in one example the backpost ends in a ball ਀昀椀渀攀愀氀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀 挀爀漀猀猀瀀椀攀挀攀 愀琀 愀氀氀⸀ 䤀✀瘀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 愀猀 攀愀爀氀礀 愀猀 琀栀攀ഊ15th century, well into the 17th, predominantly Dutch/Flemish. ਀ഊSome background, notes, and examples: ਀ഊhttp://www.his.com/~tom/sca/turnedstools.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀栀椀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀琀漀洀⼀猀挀愀⼀瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀猀⼀挀甀爀爀攀渀琀⸀栀琀洀氀 ഊ(this last one needs to be updated; there is a picture of the ਀挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀搀 瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀 栀攀爀攀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀栀椀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀琀漀洀⼀䤀洀愀最攀猀⼀猀琀爀椀瀀㄀⸀樀瀀最ഊhttp://www.his.com/~tom/sca/projects/backstool1.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀栀椀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀琀漀洀⼀猀挀愀⼀瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀猀⼀戀愀挀欀猀琀漀漀氀㈀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀夀漀甀爀 猀攀爀瘀愀渀琀Ⰰഊ ਀䘀椀渀搀氀愀攀挀栀 洀愀挀 䄀氀愀猀搀愀椀爀Ⰰ 伀䰀ഊAtlantia ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 琀漀洀 愀琀 栀椀猀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀吀漀洀 刀攀琀琀椀攀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 倀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀栀愀椀爀ഊDate: 19 Jul 2003 16:01:32 -0700 ਀ഊDavid Friedman wrote ਀㸀 䴀愀渀礀 琀栀愀渀欀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ ഊ> ਀㸀 吀栀攀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 䤀 眀愀猀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 栀愀搀 琀栀攀 琀眀漀 猀琀爀甀琀猀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 瀀甀琀 ഊ> them in mine, since it seemed solid enough without them. ਀㸀 ഊ> How wide is the variation in how high the backrest is? I made mine ਀㸀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 氀漀眀 琀漀 愀氀氀漀眀 洀攀 琀漀 氀攀愀渀 戀愀挀欀 洀漀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀䴀漀猀琀 挀漀洀洀漀渀氀礀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 椀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀爀攀猀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 栀攀椀最栀琀ഊof the shoulder blades. However, there is at least one 17th century ਀椀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 猀栀漀眀猀 愀 戀愀挀欀爀攀猀琀 洀甀挀栀 猀栀漀爀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀洀愀氀氀 漀昀ഊthe back. ਀ഊMy first effort had a backrest with no struts, and it was glued in ਀瀀氀愀挀攀⸀ 圀栀愀琀 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 眀椀琀栀 氀愀琀攀爀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 眀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 猀琀爀甀琀猀ഊclose-fitting, everything stayed firmly in place without glue. That's ਀漀渀攀 漀昀  琀栀攀 最爀攀愀琀 琀栀椀渀最猀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀爀椀瀀漀搀 昀甀爀渀椀琀甀爀攀㨀 戀攀椀渀最 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 漀昀昀 椀渀ഊthe angles creates enough internal tension that glue isn't really ਀渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀⸀ഊ ਀䘀椀渀ഊwww.his.com/~tom/index.html ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㄀ 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㔀 ㄀㤀㨀㈀㐀㨀　㄀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: rmhowe ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀䌀䄀ⴀ䄀匀崀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀猀ഊTo: Arts and Sciences in the SCA ਀ഊHaraldr Bassi (arts) wrote: ਀㸀 伀渀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ 䨀愀渀甀愀爀礀 ㄀　Ⰰ ㈀　　㔀 ㄀㘀㨀㌀　Ⰰ 䌀漀爀眀礀渀 刀愀瘀攀渀眀椀渀最 ☀ 䌀愀爀漀眀礀渀 匀椀氀瘀攀爀漀愀欀 ഊ> said: ਀㸀㸀 匀漀 洀礀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀✀猀 琀攀 搀攀琀愀椀氀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 洀漀猀琀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀⸀  吀栀攀ഊ>> hat, the pitcher, the table, the chair - the little bits. I may not like ਀㸀㸀 琀栀攀 嘀椀欀椀渀最 猀氀愀戀 挀栀愀椀爀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 渀礀氀漀渀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最ഊ>> chairs, even though those things are just so darned convenient...it's ਀㸀㸀 栀愀爀搀℀℀℀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀 愀最爀攀攀 琀栀愀琀 眀漀漀搀 椀猀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀爀攀搀 漀瘀攀爀 渀礀氀漀渀 ⠀漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀 最氀愀爀椀渀最 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀ഊ> alternatives) but if by 'viking slab chairs' you are referring to the seat ਀㸀 洀愀搀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀眀漀 ㌀ⴀ㐀✀ 氀漀渀最 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 ㈀砀㄀　Ⰰ 挀愀渀 眀攀 攀砀挀椀猀攀 琀栀攀 琀攀爀洀 ✀瘀椀欀椀渀最ഊ> slab chairs' and instead refer to it as a boyscout jamboree chair or some ਀㸀 漀琀栀攀爀 渀愀洀攀 愀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 渀漀 瘀椀欀椀渀最 爀攀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀栀椀瀀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 栀愀瘀攀 攀瘀攀爀 戀攀攀渀 愀戀氀攀ഊ> to find. The earliest we have found so far is circa 1970s at Boy Scout ਀㸀 挀愀洀瀀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 瀀爀椀洀愀爀礀 愀搀瘀愀渀琀愀最攀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀猀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 椀猀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 最爀攀愀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊskill impaired novice woodworkers and if you tear one up sitting upon ਀椀琀 椀渀 愀爀洀漀爀 ⴀ 眀攀氀氀 猀漀 眀栀愀琀㼀 㨀⤀ 䘀椀最栀攀爀猀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 氀椀欀攀 爀攀猀琀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊIf you are drunk and fall over sideways in one you will end up ਀椀渀 愀 挀漀渀瘀攀渀椀攀渀琀 昀攀琀愀氀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀 洀漀猀琀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 愀渀搀 戀攀 甀渀栀愀爀洀攀搀⸀ഊPennsic nights are right cold however. They would make great ਀攀洀攀爀最攀渀挀礀 昀椀爀攀眀漀漀搀⸀ 㨀⤀ഊ ਀䤀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 栀椀氀愀爀椀漀甀猀 琀漀 眀愀琀挀栀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 琀爀礀 琀漀 猀椀琀 琀栀攀洀 愀琀ഊHigh Table and eat. One certainly wouldn't want them anywhere ਀攀氀猀攀 椀渀 愀 挀爀漀眀搀攀搀 昀攀愀猀琀 栀愀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀䈀甀琀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀 椀渀 礀漀甀爀 猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊThere is no documentation for anything like this I have ever ਀猀攀攀渀 愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 琀爀攀洀攀渀搀漀甀猀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 昀甀爀渀椀琀甀爀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 戀漀漀欀猀ഊand magazines devoted to such. I've done carpentry and woodwork ਀昀漀爀 瀀愀礀 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀 ㄀㤀㘀　猀 愀渀搀 搀椀搀 戀甀椀氀搀 漀瘀攀爀 愀 琀栀漀甀猀愀渀搀ഊpieces of much more complex furniture. Easily over 10,000 ਀洀漀爀琀椀猀攀猀 挀甀琀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 挀愀渀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀猀琀 漀昀ഊtools. Ordinary handsaws, a hammer and a chisel. ਀ഊNow the kubbesthuls that are known from Scandinavian countries ਀眀栀椀挀栀 愀爀攀 洀愀搀攀 戀礀 椀渀瘀攀爀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀 栀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 漀甀琀 琀栀攀 戀愀猀攀 漀昀 愀ഊlarge tree trunk actually were made in ancient Italy and the ਀爀攀洀愀椀渀猀 漀昀 愀 栀椀最栀氀礀 椀渀氀愀椀搀 漀渀攀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 愀戀漀甀琀ഊ20,000 pieces found in an Etruscan tomb. In other words very ਀洀甀挀栀 瀀爀攀ⴀ刀漀洀愀渀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 刀漀洀愀渀猀 氀攀昀琀 洀愀渀礀 昀甀爀渀椀琀甀爀攀 椀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀猀 椀渀 挀愀爀瘀椀渀最猀ഊincluding wicker work chairs. I could be wrong but I think ਀瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 琀栀椀猀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 搀椀攀搀 漀甀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 攀爀愀Ⰰ 漀爀 琀栀攀礀ഊwere of such low esteem that they were never preserved or ਀爀攀挀漀爀搀攀搀⸀ 吀栀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀愀爀攀 昀漀爀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 椀猀ഊthe creaking and smell of the wicker - which I suppose is ਀琀栀攀 猀挀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀攀搀椀渀最 搀攀琀攀爀椀漀爀愀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀礀 洀漀琀栀攀爀 栀愀搀 愀ഊbunch of these things early on. ਀ഊMagnus ਀ഊ> The vikings had lots of benches, boxes that also served as seating, ਀㸀 猀琀漀漀氀猀 愀渀搀 挀栀愀椀爀猀⸀ 夀攀愀栀Ⰰ 爀攀愀氀 挀栀愀椀爀猀 愀渀搀 猀攀愀琀椀渀最⸀⸀⸀ 最漀 昀椀最甀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 䠀愀爀愀氀搀爀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Coblaith Mhuimhneach ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀攀瀀琀攀洀戀攀爀 ㌀Ⰰ ㈀　　㘀 ㌀㨀　㈀㨀　㔀 倀䴀 䌀䐀吀ഊTo: Barony of Bryn Gwlad ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䈀爀礀渀ⴀ最眀氀愀搀崀 䌀愀洀瀀 䜀攀愀爀ഊ ਀䈀愀爀渀攀琀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> . . .I am not a huge fan of director chairs (well nylon chairs in ਀㸀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀⤀ 挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 漀爀 甀渀挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 愀氀琀攀爀愀渀琀椀瘀攀猀⸀ഊ> Some that is not too exspensive, looks well not like a nylon chair, ਀㸀 戀甀琀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 瀀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 愀猀 䤀 漀渀氀礀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀 洀甀挀栀 爀漀漀洀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀爀⸀ഊ ਀匀琀攀瀀栀攀渀 䘀爀愀渀挀椀猀 圀椀氀攀礀 栀愀猀 眀攀戀戀攀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 爀攀瀀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 ∀吀栀攀ഊLund Viking Stool" ਀㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀渀最攀氀昀椀爀攀⸀挀漀洀⼀眀礀⼀猀瘀攀渀猀欀椀氀搀戀椀琀攀爀⼀嘀椀欀椀渀最⼀瘀椀欀猀琀漀漀氀⸀栀琀洀氀㸀⸀ഊ ਀伀渀攀 漀昀 䐀爀愀最漀渀眀椀渀最✀猀 洀漀渀琀栀氀礀 挀漀氀甀洀渀猀 椀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀 ㄀㘀琀栀ⴀ挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 戀爀攀愀欀ⴀ搀漀眀渀ഊstool . ਀ഊMaster Charles Oakley's site ਀椀渀挀氀甀搀攀猀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 愀 挀漀昀昀攀爀 挀栀愀椀爀 ⠀攀⸀最⸀Ⰰ ∀愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀✀猀ഊchair"), a 16th-century German fauldstool, a 16th-century folding ਀挀栀愀椀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 ∀琀栀攀 倀攀愀挀漀挀欀 挀栀愀椀爀∀⸀ഊ ਀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀 漀昀昀攀爀猀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 ∀䄀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 䘀漀氀搀椀渀最 䌀栀愀椀爀∀ഊ ਀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 ㄀㔀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀ⴀ挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最 挀栀愀椀爀 愀戀漀瘀攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀爀琀攀攀渀琀栀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀挀漀洀 栀愀猀 瀀栀漀琀漀猀 漀昀 愀渀搀 愀 琀攀砀琀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊbuilding of a fauldstool ਀㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀琀栀椀爀琀攀攀渀琀栀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀挀漀洀⼀瀀愀最攀猀⼀昀愀甀氀搀猀琀漀漀氀　㄀⸀栀琀洀氀㸀 戀愀猀攀搀 漀渀ഊ13th-century illustrations and similar to the German fauldstool above. ਀ഊ"A 15th Century Chair You Can Build" ਀㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀挀甀爀爀攀渀琀洀椀搀搀氀攀愀最攀猀⸀漀爀最⼀琀攀渀琀猀⼀挀栀愀椀爀㄀㄀㔀挀琀⸀瀀搀昀㸀 最椀瘀攀猀ഊinstructions based on a Savonarola chair, similar in profile to the ਀∀瀀攀愀挀漀挀欀 挀栀愀椀爀∀ 愀戀漀瘀攀⸀ഊ ਀∀䄀 嘀椀欀椀渀最 䈀漀砀 䌀栀愀椀爀∀ഊ describes a ਀挀栀愀椀爀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 伀猀攀戀攀爀最 猀栀椀瀀 戀甀爀椀愀氀 愀渀搀 最椀瘀攀猀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 愀ഊreconstruction, with some ideas on how it might be adapted to fold up. ਀ഊHouse Greydragon's library includes "A Gothic Break-Down Chair" ਀㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀最爀攀礀搀爀愀最漀渀⸀漀爀最⼀昀甀爀渀椀琀甀爀攀⼀挀栀愀椀爀猀⼀椀渀搀攀砀⸀栀琀洀氀㸀Ⰰ 洀愀搀攀 琀漀ഊresemble a medieval box chair when assembled. ਀ഊHouse Barra offers a simpler break-down chair with a similar profile ਀㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀栀漀甀猀攀戀愀爀爀愀⸀挀漀洀⼀瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀猀⼀琀愀氀猀挀栀愀椀爀⼀㸀⸀ഊ ਀唀椀氀氀椀愀洀 洀愀挀 䄀椀氀渀攀 洀栀椀挀 匀攀愀洀甀椀猀 栀愀猀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 愀 昀漀氀搀椀渀最 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀ഊof the box chair . ਀ഊThe Blood and Sawdust Homepage includes instructions for a knock-down ਀瀀愀渀攀氀 挀栀攀猀琀 㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀栀椀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀琀漀洀⼀猀挀愀⼀瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀猀⼀栀甀琀挀栀⸀栀琀洀氀㸀 琀栀愀琀ഊcould easily be adapted to make a period-looking box chair without ਀眀攀搀最攀猀Ⰰ ∀琀愀戀猀∀Ⰰ 漀爀 栀椀渀最攀猀 猀栀漀眀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀 漀甀琀猀椀搀攀⸀ഊ ਀䘀夀䤀Ⰰ 椀渀 挀愀猀攀 礀漀甀 樀甀猀琀 眀愀渀琀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 戀甀礀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 爀愀挀欀㨀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀ഊsometimes find wooden folding chairs similar to those mentioned on the ਀昀椀爀猀琀 琀眀漀 猀椀琀攀猀 昀漀爀 猀愀氀攀 愀琀 吀愀爀最攀琀Ⰰ 䈀攀搀 䈀愀琀栀 愀渀搀 䈀攀礀漀渀搀Ⰰ 漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊplaces that carry patio furniture or "party" furniture. ਀ഊCoblaith Mhuimhneach ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ挀栀愀椀爀猀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 ㈀㔀 漀昀 ㈀㔀ഊ ਊ