caskets-boxes-msg - 1/17/01 Medieval caskets and boxes. Decoration and construction. NOTE: See also the files: furniture-msg, keys-locks-msg, beds-msg, ivory-msg, tools-msg, wood-finishes-msg, wood-msg, glues-msg, chip-carving-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ From: Tanya Guptill Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Voxtorp Church Chest--plans now online Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 01:08:20 -0800 Stephen Wyley has posted the plans and details of construction for a replica of the Voxtorp Church chest. These can be viewed at http://www.geocities.com/svenskildbiter/Craft/voxtorp.html Mira Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:02:00 -0500 From: rmhowe Organization: Windmaster's Hill, Atlantia, and the GDH Subject: Re: Leather Boxes and Caskets > I'm looking for any information dealing with the construction of boxes made from leather or wooden boxes covered with leather. - thanks, Rolf the Blunt < Okay, this is an item of mild interest to me so I'll give you a start... Try: : Deutsches Ledermuseum: Kunsthandwerk, Volkskunde, Všlkerkunde, Fachtechnik; Deutsches Schuhmuseum; 2.Aufl. Offenbach am Main, 1961. 154 pp. 58 ills. Berger, Ewald: Prunk-Kassetten, Europaische Meisterwerke aus Acht Jahrhunderten, Ornamental Caskets, Eight Centuries ; 1998: Arnoldsche, Stuttgart, cloth, dj, Text in English and German. The Hans Schell Collection, Graz., profuse color & b/w illus., 318 pages, 12 x 10, ornamental caskets / decorative art / metal work /gold boxes. ISBN 3-925369-83-X $110. Bestand katloge der Hanns Schell collection; Bd 1. (to be followed by others on cast iron objects, locks and keys, forged steel objects, and guild emblems.) Pp. 336, approximately 500 illustrations. Berger, Ewald: Ornamental Coffers; Eight Centuries of European Craftsmanship ISBN: 392536983X Arnoldsche Verlaganstalt GmbH, Jan.1999, US 110.00 Blair, John, and Nigel Ramsey: English Medieval Industries; 1992. An overview of the current level of knowledge in a number of disciplines, including wood, leather, fabric, and pewter casting. Has some small discussion on the matter. Buckley, J.J.: Some Early Ornamented Leatherwork. Journal of the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland vol. XLV, part IV, 1915. pp.300-309 (Cumdachs and Polaires: Medieval Irish Book Shrines and Book Satchels) Camille, Michael: The Medieval Art of Love, Objects and Subjects of Desire, Harry N. Abrams Pubs., 1998, New York, ISBN 0810915448 Contains a range of objets d'amour including caskets. Cherry, John: "The Talbot Casket and Related Late Medieval Caskets" Archaeologica 107 (1982): 131-40. D'Allemagne, Henry Rene': Decorative Antique Ironwork, A Pictorial Treasury, Over 4500 Objects Illustrated on 415 plates. Dover, ISBN 0486220826. My copy is 1968 but it's in reprint. Contains a number of pictures of caskets and fittings. Some of them are leather covered. GALL, G†NTHER.: Leder im europŠischen ; Kunsthandwerk. Braunschweig, 1965. 4to., orcl., xii, 406 pp., w. 16 pl. in color 304 ills. in text. (Bibl. fźr Kunst u. AntiquitŠtenfreunde, Bd. XLIV). Klinkhardt & Biermann - Braunschweig. - It is flat out stunning in the variety of items. There are fantastic things in it like crown cases, reliquary cases, leather caskets and trunks, cases for all sorts of things, many of them repouseed in very high relief. There are a number of leather covered shields in it. A few early ones, many from around 1600. On the subject of shoes, it has only a shoe foot reliquary, and I don't recall any saddles. The entries are from many different museums and countries. - There are a number of differently styled leather bottels than we are used to seeing although there is a short section on English style jacks, bombards, and costrels. - There are cases for silver and crystal cups, one particularly fine piece is a leather cover for a fully rigged silver ship centerpiece, masts, flags, rigging and all. - There are some knife scabbards but no sword scabbards except for a case for a sword of state. - A few of the pieces are religious. Most are secular. The majority of the book is simply masterpiece quality work. - A number of the pieces such as the shields and caskets are illustrated from more than one view, in the case of the caskets usually front and back or front and top, but not ends. I was very impressed with the number of leather caskets in it. The majority of this book is later Middle Ages and Renaissance and the material seems to end about 1920, but there is very little modern work in it. This is one of the ultimate books on the subject. Hoving, Thomas: Secular Spirit: Life and Art at the End of the Middle Ages; Published by E.P. Dutton and Co. in association with Metropolitan Museum of Art, First Edition, Reproductions, photos, Cloth, 1975 ISBN (cloth) 052549507x (paper) 0870990969 Many leather items, some have some raised leather with glue / dust inserts under it. Kup, Karl. "Notes on a Fifteenth-Century Cofferet" Connoisseur 140 (1957): 62-66. Leland, Charles G.: Leather Tooling; Sterling Publishing Co. New York, 1975. Oak Tree Press, London and Sydney. Various dates. First published as Leather Work: A Practical Manual for Learners in England, 1892. Not much on caskets or trunks but really excellent on tooling and full of medievally inspired designs. Excellent on the subject. Nenno, Rosita: "Gerbeverfahren, Lederverarbeitung, und Zeirtechniken" in: Europa"ische Technik in Mittelalter, 800 bis 1400, Tradition and Innovation, Ein Handbuch, by Uta Lindgren, Gebr. Mann Verlag, Berlin, 1996. ISBN 3786117489. Leather article covers pages 487-92, includes closeups of several highly molded caskets. Newman, Thelma: Leather as Art and Craft: ISBN 0 517 505754, there is a photo of a leather covered box from 15th C. Italy from the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Scurlock, William, ed.: Muzzleloader Magazine's Book of Buckskinning VII Scurlock Publishing Co., Texarkana, TX, 1995, ISBN 188065505-5. Contains an excellent post period article on the "Goods of the Trunkmaker and His Trade" by Steven M. Lalioff, pp 198-221. Descriptions and photographs of original trunks, deed boxes, and chests. Also see plates VII-XII. By someone who has a large collection and remakes them. Singer, Charles, et al: A History of Technology, Volume II, 1956, Oxford. Covers the Mediterranean Civilization and the Middle Ages. Has a whole chapter on leather by Waterer. Includes cofferers. Snyder, W.E.: The Leathercraftsman. A Textbook on Leatherwork ; Worchester: American Handicrafts, (1936). cloth, gilt lettering, 176pp., Includes; A Brief History of Leather, Leathercraft Through the Ages, Construction and Decorating, Tools, Lacing, Steps in making a leathercraft article etc., etc., Illustrations, index. Society of Antiquaries of London : Archaeologia; or, Miscellaneous Tracts Relating to Antiquity; published by the Society of Antiquaries of London; Volume CVII, London, 1982, pp.222, text-illustrations, plates. Includes: Swords and sequence in the British Bronze Age; Anglo-Saxon Glass claw-beakers; Anglo-Saxon button brooches; The sanctuary ring of Durham Cathedral; The Talbot Casket and Related Late Medieval Leather Caskets by John Cherry; The stained glass of the chapel of the Vyne and the Chapel of the Holy Ghost, Basingstoke; Ightham Mote: politics and architecture in Early Tudor England. Stohlman, Al and Ann: The Art of Making Leather Cases Volumes I, II, and III. Tandy Leather, various dates. Modern techniques. Modern finish. Underhill, Roy: [Video] The Williamsburg Trunkmaker. Woodwright's Shop Series. WUNC-TV, Chapel Hill, NC. Mostly on other techniques of hand leatherwork but includes some discussion of chests and coffers, notably including that the wood was not nailed together but glued until the tacks holding the leather were driven in. Waterer, John William. "Irish Book-Satchels or Budgets"; Medieval Archaeology, Vol. XII, 1968, pp. 70-82., 13pp, 4figs, 4 b/w plates IV-VII. Waterer, John W.: "Leather" in Connoiseur Period Guides - Tudor 1500-1603. Edited by Ralph Edwards, Reynal and Company, New York, No Date, 60's-70's? Leather Chapter is pp.149-59 plus plates. Includes forcers, chests, saddle, gloves, buff tunic, Paten box, prayer book casket, leather lantern, flasks, bottells, bookcover, leather bedcover, on plates 81-4. Waterer, John William: Leather and Craftsmanship; Faber & Faber LTD., London, 66pp, 32 pls, 1950. Waterer, John William: Leather Craftsmanship; Frederick A. Praeger, Publishers, New York and Washington, 1968. Published in England by G. Bell and Sons, Ltd., London. Better than below for this purpose. Waterer, John W: Leather in Life, Art and Industry; London. Faber & Faber Ltd.; 1946. 320 pp., Frontis, 110 plates, & a further 20 illustrations in the text. With forewords by Sir Charles Tennyson and George W. Odey. "An outline of its preparation and uses in Britain yesterday and today together with some reflections on its place in the world of synthetics tomorrow." Brief mentions of caskets/trunks. Waterer, John William. "A Historical Forcer."; Connoisseur 134 (1954): 189-191. A Forcer is a casket. Waterer has another on Spanish Leather that is supposed to include it's use on caskets but it is primarily concerned with embossed late period leather used on walls, furniture, etc. Will that do for a start? I'm afraid I don't have any more time to search through diverse tomes today... :) (c) Master Magnus Malleus, OL, GDH Windmasters' Hill, Atlantia May be forwarded to sca or re-enactor email lists, but NOT to the Rialto (rec.org.sca) or ANY other newsgroup. Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:00:34 -0400 From: STIS Data Analyst To: sca-arts Subject: battle of the sexes, with roses There is an ivory carved box in the Walters with scenes on all sides, one of which is described as the battle of the sexes. It is a battle scene, with men standing outside a castle, loading up a trebuchet with roses to fling over the walls. Ladies are atop the walls hurling roses down at the men, while cupid stands besides them shooting his arrows. I think I've also seen an illuminated scene similar to this, but I can't remember where. Can anyone tell me where I could find a painting or manuscript with this scene? I would really appreciate any references. Bronach Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 16:40:35 -0400 From: rmhowe Organization: Windmaster's Hill, Atlantia, and the GDH To: matt kaye CC: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org Subject: Re: Bamberg Casket Rolf the Blunt (Matt Kaye) wrote: > I'm interested in reproducing the bamberg casket in leather and > wood. does anyone know of a book detailing its size and history? Okay, Rolf, I've thought about this for a while and come up with some sources of some information. I want to _see_ this thing if you make it, and I want to know if you find complete depictions of the sides and top, as _I_ might be interested in doing a more accurate to materials piece one day. You can buy alternative ivory, or even make ivory simulations of polymer clay. Mistress Gunnora Hallakarva (The Viking Answer Lady, on web) wrote an excellent piece on making polymer ivory a while back, and I wrote a source list for alternative and real ivory. :) I think they are both in the www.Florilegium.org I also wrote a bibliography on caskets a while back so this was of some interest to me. The Florilegium may have that too. Details are given in text in Viking Art by David M. Wilson, 1966/80, U of Minnesota Press, Minneapolis, Minn.. The Bamberg Casket is now in the Bavarian National Museum in Munich. It is also known as the jewel casket of Queen Kunigunde, the daughter of Canute the Great. Of Scandinavian workmanship. (It was the Cammin casket and not the Bamberg Casket which was destroyed during WWII - but the workmanship and style are very similar.) "The casket is square in plan and has a slightly pitched roof: 10.4" (25 cm.) long and 5.1 in. (13 cm.) high, it consists of an oak box covered with thin, carved sheets of walrus ivory. These sheets are clasped by gilt-bronze bands, which are nailed to the wooden base. The lid is reinforced and decorated with ridge poles set saltirewise with a spherical crystal separating four animal heads in the centre. The animal and birds heads are in high relief and are floridly formalized. The other strips of gilt bronze are decorated with a formal tendril pattern, or an irregular Scandinavianized interlaced version of it, modern replacements (the original key hole is a T-shaped slot in the lid), while a number of pieces of cast bronze are missing from the space between the arms of the saltire on the lid." (The nails look like brass escutcheon pins to me.) "The ivory panels are skilfully decorated in a lively version of the Mammen style. In one of the fields of the lid, for example, is a human mask triangular form, the moustache, hair and beard of which are produced into fantastically elaborate scrolls and tendrils, the broader band containing the familiar pelleting so typical of the style. Other panels contain birds and animals (in pairs or singly), all caught up in the great convolutions of the tendrils and leaf-like interlace. The right-hand panel on the lid of the box, for example, bears the representation of of a fierce creature with lip-lappet, spiral hips, large feet, interlacing terminals and a tail terminating in an acanthus leaf. Like all the carving on this box, this creature has a movement and freshness which has been missing from Viking art for more than a hundred years." There are two plates in the book showing the top and one (hinge) side view. ----------- In The Art of Scandinavia, Vol. One, by Peter Anker, Paul Hamlyn Publ., 1970, there is some rather erroneous information as to the construction, which it variously refers to as horn. There is a rather loose and confusing discussion of the Mammen Style, which this is a rather good illustration of, and there are line drawings of the Cammin (which was of antler plates) and Bamberg Caskets. In the case of the Bamberg Casket there is a detail of the front mounts (after Shetelig, who I believe wrote a book on the Cammin Casket in German more than 60 years ago) and a view looking from slightly above one corner across the top showing two sides somewhat indistintly. The association and dating of the casket are indistinct except for legend as no actual reference exists for it before 1736. "It's traditional name, 'Queen Kunigunde's jewel casket', may well have been derived from the fact that, according to an old tradition, Emperor Henry III's Queen, (the daughter of King Cnute the Great of Denmark) had special connections with Bamberg. No stylistic arguments can be pleaded -against- a story leading back to Danish court art of the earliest decades of the 11th century - only it would, so to speak, be too good to be true." These depictions and discussions can be found on pages 164-8. ---------- In The Northern World, by David M. Wilson, 1980, Harry N. Abrams Inc., New York, is a b/w frontal photograph of the casket on page 166 which is fairly clear. ---------- In The Viking World by James Graham-Campbell, Ticknor and Fields, 1980, is an excellent picture in color from an above the front view showing the front and top. Mentions of this and the Cammin caskets similarity to Viking house styles is on page 206. On 207 is a color picture of the Cammmin casket replica from askance one end. The inference here is to the Trelleborg fort barracks-style constructions and the hog-backed grave covers from Northern England, the ones with the biting bears on the ends. ----------- In The Cultural Atlas of the Viking World (ed. James Graham-Campbell), 1994 Andromeda Oxford Ltd., is another color picture looking above the left front corner to the other side, showing left side, front and top, but rather small, on page 99. Magnus Malleus, OL, Atlantia, GDH From: Kirk Poore Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Chest handles Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:47:55 GMT > Felimid mentioned a particular period chest, which raises a question I > have been wondering about. What sorts of handles did period chests have? > The reason I'm wondering about it is that I have been building oak > tourney chests for myself and my lady, and am wondering whether and how > they should be equipped with handles. > -- > David/Cariadoc > http://www.best.com/~ddfr/Medieval/Medieval.html The short answer is that a lot of period chests didn't have handles. In Charles Tracy's "English Medieval Furniture and Woodwork", which is the Victoria and Albert's book on their medieval wood collection, 10 chests are pictured and only one has handles. Unfortunately, the sole visible handle is on the shaded side of the chest and I can't make out details. It is attached near the top of the chest end. Daniel Diehl has only one chest with handles (out of four) in his medieval furniture books. The second book, "Medival Furniture", shows a hewn-timber chest with two iron rings on each end. A rope could certainly be tied between the two for a handle. I've seen the two-ring arrangement on at least one other chest. I'm pretty sure I have seen a picture of handles on period chests which form an "L" shape (looking from the side). Alas, I can't find any pictures or references at home--you might try books showing period ironwork. Handles like this hang down like an inverted L. When you pick them up, the long part of the L rotates 90 degrees to point straight out, forming the hand grip. The short part stops on the side of the chest, keeping the handle from rotating up anymore and smashing your knuckles on the chest. Kirk FitzDavid From: "asylum" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Chest Handles Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:13:16 -0400 Once again we are faced with making decisions based on a small group of second hand examples. Chests were used as both household furnishings and for transport of equipment. Because of wear and tear, the majority of existing examples would tend to be of the household furniture types. As most of you have observed, the chests we use for transport are cruelly abused in the process. After several generations of abuse, a more lightly built travel chest could very well end up as kindling, where a substantial (heavy) household chest would just sit in castle or cathedral and change contents or be dragged to a new room every generation or so. To sum up: handles were probably common on traveling chests, but traveling chests commonly didn't survive long enough to be recorded. Do paper grocery bags have handles? In a hundred years, who will be able to tell? A good source for further research would be any manuscript illustrations showing armies/families/traders in transit. I'll look about for additional information. Atli Vathason, (Bruce Blackistone) full time civil servant, part time blacksmith, seasonal Viking ship captain and First Warlord of Markland. Kirk Poore wrote in message <39664FC5.A2A0513 at home.com>... >The short answer is that a lot of period chests didn't have handles. In >Charles Tracy's "English Medieval Furniture and Woodwork", which is the >Victoria and Albert's book on their medieval wood collection, 10 chests are >pictured and only one has handles. Unfortunately, the sole visible handle >is on the shaded side of the chest and I can't make out details. It is >attached near the top of the chest end. Daniel Diehl has only one chest >with handles (out of four) in his medieval furniture books. The second >book, "Medival Furniture", shows a hewn-timber chest with two iron rings on >each end. A rope could certainly be tied between the two for a handle. >I've seen the two-ring arrangement on at least one other chest. > >I'm pretty sure I have seen a picture of handles on period chests which form >an "L" shape (looking from the side). Alas, I can't find any pictures or >references at home--you might try books showing period ironwork. Handles >like this hang down like an inverted L. When you pick them up, the long >part of the L rotates 90 degrees to point straight out, forming the hand >grip. The short part stops on the side of the chest, keeping the handle >from rotating up anymore and smashing your knuckles on the chest. > >Kirk FitzDavid From: "Jay Jackson" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Chest Handles Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:16:03 -0500 While studying a group of seaworthy chest that were very late period I noted most had handles. The better constructed ones were of wood the thrifty ones were of rope or leather. These were all English Chest. the sides angles out to fit against the ships hull the lids were domed for seating comfort. most had short stubby legs to raise them off the deck. All that had handles were made so that the handles would flop down out of the way. One chest in particular had a very modern looking recessed drawer pull type handle. Felimid the Tinker Jay Jackson Lufkin TX Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 15:49:25 -0400 From: Tom Rettie Newsgroups: rec.org.sca To: David Friedman Subject: Re: Chest Handles David Friedman wrote: > In article <8k9nf6$b2m at atlas.lcc.net>, "Jay Jackson" > wrote: > > While studying a group of seaworthy chest that were very late period I > > noted > > most had handles. The better constructed ones were of wood the thrifty > > ones > > were of rope or leather. > > Did you notice how the rope and leather handles worked? Was the leather > simply nailed to the wood? Your Grace, In "Artefacts from Wrecks" (Mark Redknap, ed.), Maggie Richards has an excellent essay on chests from the Mary Rose (1545). Those with handles appear in three types: holes bored through the sides and the ropes knotted inside; a wooden bracket nailed to the side and the rope braided in a loop through the bracket; and what appears to be an iron plate with an iron ring (unfortunately, not discussed). She provides excellent exploded views of each type. Also, Spanish Vargueno, a sort of 16th century portable office, usually had iron lifts (sometimes two per side). A very similar lift is available from Horton Brasses (in iron). Fin (Tom R.) http://www.his.com/~tom/index.html Edited by Mark S. Harris caskets-boxes-msg 10