vegetarian-msg - 12/22/16

Medieval vegetarianism. Lenten foods. Also in the SCA.

NOTE: See also the files: vegetables-msg, turnips-msg, mushrooms-msg, salads-msg, root-veg-msg, eggs-msg, dairy-prod-msg, cheese-msg.

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From: DDF2 at cornell.edu (David Friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Feast Menus
Date: 16 Nov 1993 03:34:53 GMT
Organization: Cornell Law School

0005290822 at mcimail.COM (Robert A. Goff) wrote:

<snip>
> Also, does anyone know of a period dish that would approximate a non- 
> meat stew for the vegetarians among us? From the same cuisine as the 
> meat dish? Thanks.

A Muzawwara (Vegetarian Dish) Beneficial for Tertian Fevers and Acute
Fevers
Andalusian p. A-52 [13th c. Western Islamic]

Take boiled peeled lentils and wash in hot water several times; put in the
pot and add water without covering them; cook and then throw in pieces of
gourd, or the stems [ribs] of Swiss chard, or of lettuce and its tender
sprigs, or the flesh of cucumber or melon, and vinegar, coriander seed, a
little cumin, Chinese cinnamon, saffron and two ûqiyas of fresh oil;
balance with a little salt and cook. Taste, and if its flavor is pleasingly
balanced between sweet and sour, [good;] and if not, reinforce until it is
equalized, according to taste, and leave it to lose its heat until it is
cold and then serve.

2 c lentils 	1 1/2 t cinnamon	one of the following:	1 1/2 lb butternut
squash
5 c water	6 threads saffron		1 lb chard or beet leaves
1/4 c cider vinegar	1/4 c oil		1 lb lettuce
3/4 t ground coriander	1 t salt		2 8" cucumbers
3/4 t cumin			melon (?)

Boil lentils about 40 minutes until they start to get mushy. Add spices and
vinegar and oil. Add one of the vegetables; leafy vegetables should be torn
up, squash or cucumbers are cut into bite-sized pieces and cooked about
10-15 minutes before being added to lentils. Cook lettuce or chard version
for about 10 minutes, until leaves are soft. Cook squash or cucumber
version about 20 minutes. Be careful not to burn during the final cooking. 

Rapes in Potage [or Carrots or Parsnips]
Curye on Inglysch p. 99 (Forme of Cury no. 7)

Take rapus and make hem clene, and waissh hem clene; quarter hem; perboile
hem, take hem vp. Cast hem in a gode broth and see† hem; mynce oynouns and
cast †erto safroun and salt, and messe it forth with powdour douce. In the
self wise make of pastunakes and skyrwittes.

Note: rapes are turnips; pasternakes are either parsnips or carrots;
skirrets are, according to the OED, “a species of water parsnip, formerly
much cultivated in Europe for its esculent tubers.” We have never found
them available in the market.

1 lb turnips, carrots, or parsnips	6 threads saffron	powder douce:	2 t
sugar 
2 c chicken broth (canned, diluted)	 3/4 t salt		3/8 t cinnamon
1/2 lb onions			3/8 t ginger

Wash, peel, and quarter turnips (or cut into eighths if they are large),
cover with boiling water and parboil for 15 minutes. If you are using
carrots or parsnips, clean them and cut them up into large bite-sized
pieces and parboil 10 minutes. Mince onions. Drain turnips, carrots, or
parsnips, and put them with onions and chicken broth in a pot and bring to
a boil. Crush saffron into about 1 t of the broth and add seasonings to
potage. Cook another 15-20 minutes, until turnips or carrots are soft to a
fork and some of the liquid is boiled down.

> Brother Crimthann
> rgoff at mcimail.com

Hope these help.

David/Cariadoc
DDF2 at Cornell.Edu


From: jtn at nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Feast Menus
Date: 17 Nov 1993 16:46:58 GMT
Organization: The Rialto

Greetings, all, from Angharad ver' Rhuawn.

Brother Crimthann asks,
>     Also, does anyone know of a period dish that would approximate a non- 
>meat stew for the vegetarians among us? From the same cuisine as the meat 
>dish? Thanks.

There are various dishes for worts or joutes (greens).  There
are several vegetable pottages (I frequently make a somewhat
different version of the one Cariadoc posted), though they
tend to look rather more like soup than stew.  There are ground
bean dishes and many, many, many versions of pea soup.
None of these, really, are particularly marvelous for main
dishes, though, at least as I tend to make them.  A better
option might be Tart in Ember Day, a sort of medieval onion 
cheese quiche that tends to go over very well, and is reasonably 
good cold.  (At least, this is fine for ovo-lactos.) If you're 
interested, I have an article giving two medieval recipes for 
this and a variety of ways to make it up coming out in the next 
issue of the _Oak_ (Atlantia's A&S issue of the newsletter, at 
the chronicler's and waiting for printing several months now); 
I can send you a copy if you like.

Hope this helps!

-- Angharad/Terry


Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: v081lu33 at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Ken Mondschein)
Subject: Vegetarians Unite! (plus free recipe!)
Organization: University at Buffalo
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 19:22:00 GMT

  Look, everybody! I've done something *useful*!!!

	Over Thanksgiving break, I tried a recipe for a meat-less grete
pie (which is basically a mincemeat pie). The recipe was adapted from
Baroness Angharad of the Sleeping Lion's own, so thank her, not me.
	The recipe is good, plus has the advantage of being very low in fat
and cheaper than making the stuff out of Real Dead Cow (tm). It's authentically
medieval, as well (or at least the Real Dead Cow (tm) version is), being
(according to Baroness Angharad) from a 15th century English cookbook, with
variations "served throughout the middle ages."
	The "Nature's Burger" stuff can be found in any decent supermarket,
food co-op, or health food store.

				***

			VIRTUAL MINCEMEAT PIE

Double pastry crust
1 box Nature's Burger
1/3 cup red wine (I used Manachevitz left over from Passover)
1/4 tsp mace (I used nutmeg, since I couldn't get mace)
1/2 tsp salt
1/8 tsp each cloves and pepper
1/2 cup raisins (optional: use mixture of dates, prunes, and currants)

***Optional: 1 box Tofu Crumbles (for texture, they're sort of like chopped
meat made from tofu. I found it at Top's, but you can use whatever you like).

***Optional: 3-5 tablespoons olive or vegetable oil (for frying in/moistening
the filling).

1.) Make the Nature's Burger mix according to the instructions on the box.
2.) Fry the mix (about a third at a time) in a pan (I used a teflon pan and
no oil, but you can use oil if you wish). Stir and chop as you fry, until
it's browned and in small pieces.
3.) Once the Nature's Burger is all fried up, put into a large mixing bowl,
add the tofu crumbles (if you've got 'em), the wine, spices, and raisins.
Mix well.
4.) Line pan with pastry, pour in the "beef" mixture in. (The original 
recipie calls for ham and chicken pieces to be arranged on this. If you
can think of some way to simulate this, let me know!).
5.) Add a little olive or vegetable oil to the filling if desired (mine was a
little dry).
6.) Cover with top crust, crimp, and prick. Bake at 325 degrees for about
45 minutes, or until crust is browned. (Hint: If you can only get those
frozen quiche crusts with no top, cover the first one with a second one).

				***

	Anyways, I hope you all enjoy the recipe. If you try it, let me 
know how it turned out.

		In service to my gastrointestinal tract,
			Tristan Clair de Lune


From: "g. koster" <g.koster at chem.leidenuniv.nl>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Vegetarian Cooking - help
Date: 22 Jan 1997 13:47:56 GMT
Organization: Gorlaeus lab. Leiden University Holland

wmarquand at aol.com (WMarquand) wrote:
>On the same note,  what do the vegetarians in the society eat at Wars,
>tourneys, etc.  I'm going to my first next month and am trying to decide
>whether or not to act in persona and eat meat for a day or two...
>
>Wesley MacDonald de Isla

To Monks it was forbidden to eat the meat of four feeted anamals, unless they were sick or weak.

Though this means that they did eat chicken and fish e.d.

Douwe Johannus
-- 
Dr. G. Koster
Leiden University, Leiden Institute of Chemistry, Gorlaeus Laboratories.
Address:      Einsteinweg 55  
              P.O. Box 9502 
              2300 RA Leiden 
              The Netherlands.
TeleFax:      +31 71 5274537
Phone:        +31 71 5274513
Email:        koster_g at chem.leidenuniv.nl
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home phone:   +31 71 5418563


From: lindahl at rt.com (Greg Lindahl)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Vegetarian Cooking - help
Date: 22 Jan 1997 09:06:11 -0500

In article <19970122102300.FAA27332 at ladder01.news.aol.com>,
WMarquand <wmarquand at aol.com> wrote:

>On the same note,  what do the vegetarians in the society eat at Wars,
>tourneys, etc.  I'm going to my first next month and am trying to decide
>whether or not to act in persona and eat meat for a day or two...

Cariadoc's Miscellany has several suggestions for tourney food which
are vegetarian. I'd get really sick if I ate meat "for a day or two",
so my personna thinks of creative excuses to not eat it.  Plus, you
can tease your neighbors about food poisoning risks. Well, that's not
exactly a laughing matter, but it is nice to camp, not use any ice,
and not have to worry much about spoilage.

Greogry Blount
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/food.html


From: djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Vegetarian Cooking - help
Date: 22 Jan 1997 16:32:46 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley

Chris Petersen <xris at forevermore.net> wrote:
>Are there any cookbooks out there for us medieval Vegies?

Look in any medieval cookbook, and keep your eye peeled for the
phrase "or if it is Lent," which will give you recipe variants
that exclude not only meat but also eggs and dairy products.
Some medieval cookbooks will actually have a separate section of Lenten
recipes, but more often the Lenten variant will be tacked onto
the end of the carnivorous one.

If you are an ovo-lacto, then you can also look for the phrase
"in Ember day," denoting a series of days on which you couldn't
eat meat but could eat eggs and dairy products, and your basic
Tarte in Embre Day is a quiche with stuff in it other than meat.

Remember that the peasantry seldom got to eat meat anyway, except
on major feast days--it was expensive--and that a large
percentage of the clergy abstained from meat year-round.  Look at
any of several surviving menus for great feasts, and note how
many dishes in each course are meatless (usually, fishy), because
there would be lots of Princes of the Church attending who were
*supposed* to be abstaining.

If you don't eat fish either, you can try substituting tofu for
the fish.  Reconstituted salted or dried fish was pretty bland
anyway.

So look for the words "in Lent," "in Ember Day," "for fast days,"
"for fish days," "in Quadragesima," "in jejunio," "incipit
servicium de piscibus."

And by the way.  In order to keep to a vegetarian diet at events,
you do *not* have to invent a Ancient Greek Pythagorean or Hindu
persona.  You just say, "I eat no flesh food, it's my penance,"
and you can then invent some amusing sins that you're supposed to
be doing penance for, or leave them guessing.

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                          Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                Albany, California
PRO DEO ET REGE                                     djheydt at uclink


From: DDFr at Best.com (David Friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Vegetarian Cooking - help
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:16:21 -0800
Organization: School of Law, Santa Clara University

Not eating meat is a perfectly plausible period policy. Christians were
forbidden from eating meat on Fridays, on weekdays in lent, and I believe
on a variety of other days. In addition, medieval medicine put a lot of
importance on diet (via the theory of the humours), so you might be off
meat for medical reasons. Medieval people were given penances for their
sins, which might include avoiding meat. And medieval people sometimes
voluntarily swore to do without something. So there is nothing out of
period about being a vegetarian.

Further, there are lots of meatless period dishes. In many cases there will
be a special version for a recipe specified as "lenten," with non-meat
ingredients substituting for meat. I even have a period Islamic "fake meat"
recipe using chickpea flour, although I haven't been able to make it taste
very good yet. So if you look through the period cookbooks, especially with
an eye to lenten or fastday recipes, you can find lots.

There is a sixteenth century German cookbook that starts with a bunch of
menus, classified as "in meatday" or "in fastday."

David/Cariadoc


From: L Herr-Gelatt and J R Gelatt <liontamr at postoffice.ptd.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Vegetarian Cooking - help
Date: 23 Jan 1997 12:56:35 GMT
Organization: ProLog - PenTeleData, Inc.

xris at forevermore.net (Chris Petersen) wrote, regarding the necessity of 
finding "vegetarian" recipes:

>I am looking for period recipes that are actually vegetarian, or period
>recipes that can be made in a vegetarian fashion.
>
>Are there any cookbooks out there for us medieval Vegies?  If not, what is the proper method of going about compiling one if I can =
get enough recipes from people?  
>Cyrillis Desidarius

Cyrillus,

  A great many "period" sources carry a section or selection of recipes on "Lenten" cooking (dishes that were made meatless, for use during the 
period of Lent). You should be able to find a great many "Friday" dishes, as well. These dishes may have included other rich ingredients (such as nuts, mushrooms, butter or rich sauces)to compensate for the "lack" of meat, or may have a cleverly disquised apearance so that one forgot the meat altogether (marbled, striped, highly colored or decorated). I suggest that you start with *any* cookbook you can get your hands on. There will always be at least a few dishes that do not require the use of meat or meat products. Most SCA cooks will have a stock of recipes they have included in their Feasts to account for the vegetarians that may come to an event. It is certainly my practice to make a feast as widely appealing as possible. It would simply be discourteous to send a guest away from my table hungry.

   I would like to point out, however, that simply because a dish does 
not contain meat, it is not necessarily comprised solely of vegetable 
matter (this addressed to the folk who may be a little confused about 
vegetarianism---and I am not necessarily an expert). Many vegetarians 
will eat eggs, cheese (or any dairy product) and some will eat poultry or 
fish, but not red meat. Some "meatless" dishes may contain lard (animal 
fat--other fats may be substituted). Any "cookbook" you compile should 
probably apeal to as many of the varities of vegetarians as you can 
arrange.

   As a jumping off place, try "The Good Huswife's Jewel", Thomas Dawson, 
1596, reprinted by Falconwood Press (195 Colonie Street, Albany New York, 
12210-2501). My copy was $6.00 several years ago. This copy of the 
original contains a large section of meatless dishes that should apeal to 
modern tastes (that means they will be recognisable to the populous).

   Most period sources you find will be lighter on the vegetable matter 
and heavier on the meat matter. This may be because everyone assumed the 
knowledge of cooking simple vegetable dishes was common and widespread. 
Do not let this frustrate you. The sources are out there!

Happy hunting!
Lady Aoife Finn     


From: schuldy at abel.harvard.edu (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Vegetarian Cooking - help
Date: 20 Feb 1997 20:54:22 GMT

>>: >I am looking for period recipes that are actually vegetarian, or period
>>: >recipes that can be made in a vegetarian fashion.

Lent.  Lenten recipes have no meat.  Those recipes abound.  Check any of the
standard sources.

I have a book at home on my to-be-read list, called (IIRC) "The Hermits
Feast" about the history of vegetarianism in Europe.  I cannot yet recommend
it, but since I purchased it recently in a conventional bookstore, it might
be available for you.

        Tibor
-- 
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy at math.harvard.edu)


From: v081lu33 at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (TRISTAN CLAIR DE LUNE/KEN MONDSCHEIN)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period vegetarian cooking
Date: 23 Feb 1997 03:26:45 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo

        I believe that the "SCA people won't eat vegetables/fish is a 
vegetable" line in the KWH is a bit dated. There are usually plenty of
veggies at SCA feasts, and I never starved. Now, *low-fat* cooking is
another story...
        Anyhow, aside from weapons arts, one of the things that I get out
of this is cooking. (I love to cook. People like to castigate me because,
ignoring the academic degrees and languages and literary writing, they
think I'm some species of stick jock and don't know any 'arts or sciences.'
I reply that they never let me cook a feast, did they now?)
        Anyhow, one of my focii is low-fat, vegetarian cooking. Here's a
recipie from "Renaissance recipies," a popular-market book I got at the
Cloisters.

                STEWED FENNEL

        4 or 5 bulbs of fennel (AKA anise, finoccio).
        Salt and pepper
        Olive oil

        Cut up the fennel. Put it in a heavy pot with a little water to
steam it. That is, heat it up real hot, cover it, turn down the heat, and
let it sit until tender. Take it out and sprinkle with olive oil, salt,
and pepper. Cheap, good, and makes your entire kitchen smell like licorice.

                        --Tristan


From: alxandraod at aol.com (AlxandraOD)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Vegetarian Cooking - help
Date: 25 Feb 1997 16:31:04 GMT

Dear Jeff S.

In reply to your original question about vegetarian recipies in period --
you're not going to find a ready-made cookbook out there that is just on
medieval vegetarian food.  You're going to have to cull recipies from the
numerous books out there that have various medieval recipies.  Let me give
you a short list.  If you can't find these books in your area, contact
Kitchen Arts & Letters in Manhattan: 212-876-5550 at 1435 Lexington Ave.,
New York, NY 10128.

Pleyn Delit   by Constance B. Hieatt & Sharon Butler
(they have put out a new version that is much better researched.  Get the
new one)

An Ordinance of Pottage  by Constance B. Hieatt

Take A Thousand Eggs Or More  by Cindy Renfrow
(2 volumes.  I believe this was printed by Cindy.  You can get this
through Poison Pen Press.)

In A Caliph's Kitchen  by David Waines
(Medieval Arabic Cooking w/ the original recipes -- lots of good egg
and/or eggplant recipes)

You also need to get Cariadoc's Medieval compendium of cookbooks -- lots
of the original recipes that are in the above books are all collected in
his one book.  I know he's on the web somewhere.  Search Cariadoc.

This should get you started.  Good luck!

In Service to The Dream,
Alexandra of Dragonford
Master Pepperer
The Pepperer's Guild of The East Kingdom


From: "Deb Hense" <debh at microware.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Vegetarian
Date: 28 Feb 1997 20:50:40 GMT
Organization: Microware Systems Corp

ashoni at aol.com wrote:
> There is a book "The Heretic's Feast" which is about historical
> vegetarianism.  (Sorry, can't recall the author's name)

I just got my Jessica's Biscuit cookbook catalog today:

The Heretic's Feast by Spencer

lively, comprehensive study of vegetarianism since prehistoric times.
Discusses religious, social and philosophical aspects. Not a cookbook.

Hardback - only $14.98 (u.s. dollars)

Order number is FC-525

In the US of A call: 1-900-878-4264.

If you want more info than that, you'll have to ask.

Kateryn de Develyn
debh at microware.com


From: "Philip W. Troy" <troy at asan.com>
To: sca-cooks at eden.com
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 19:50:31 -0400
Subject: Re: intro

gail s howell wrote:

> BTW, I am looking for some good period vegetarian dishes from Brittain,
> anyone know any besides spinach and mushrooms?
> 
> Rowanne

Caboges (Two Fifteenth-Century Cookbooks), Fenkel in Soppes (Forme of
Cury), various sallets, Sowpes Dorry (also FoC).

I believe Caboges calls for some meat stock, but it sould be possible to
produce the dish in a Lenten version. I believe the others are purely
vegetarian.

Adamantius


From: Stephen Bloch <sbloch at adl15.adelphi.edu>
To: sca-cooks at eden.com
Subject: sca-cooks Re: intro
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:03:28 -0400 (EDT)

> BTW, I am looking for some good period vegetarian dishes from Brittain, 
> anyone know any besides spinach and mushrooms?

Tarts for Ember-day, basically an onion quiche.  If you get good onions
(esp. Vidalias), it actually has a sweet flavor.

Crustade Lombarde, another custardy pie-filling whose meat-day version
is largely beef marrow.  The fast-day version calls for almond milk in
place of the milk, and chopped dates, figs, and prunes in place of the
beef marrow.  I've made this and served it successfully to non-SCA
types.

I'm at work right now, and don't remember offhand which sources those
come from, but both of them are late medieval (probably 15th-c.) English.

					Steve / Joshua


From: Mark Schuldenfrei <schuldy at abel.MATH.HARVARD.EDU>
To: sca-cooks at eden.com
Subject: sca-cooks Re: intro
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:24:52 -0400 (EDT)

> BTW, I am looking for some good period vegetarian dishes from Brittain, 
> anyone know any besides spinach and mushrooms?

Oooh, gosh, my books are far away and packed, and I CANNOT remember the
author... but there is a period source that was written by an Italian who
moved to England at the end of period, and found that they didn't eat enough
vegetables.  He wrote a treatise for the English on how to cook vegetables.
And it was barely in period, if I recall.

What, oh what, was his NAME!  Darned memory.  Good book, recently in print
in the US... Castelvetro!  That was the man.

	Tibor


From: Mark Schuldenfrei <schuldy at MATH.HARVARD.EDU>
To: Mark Harris
Subject: Re: sca-cooks Re- intro
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:50:18 -0400 (EDT)

Thanks for this lead. Can you get me a more complete bibliograpic
  description? I'd like to add this to my vegetarian-msg file and a
  more complete referance would help others.

The book is packed away (we are in the midst of remodelling) but the Harvard
online library has:
AUTHOR: Castelvetro, Giacomo, 1546-1616?
TITLE: [Brieve racconto di tutte le radici, di tutte l'erbe e di tutti
         i frutti, che crudi o cotti in Italia si mangiano.  English]
         The fruit, herbs & vegetables of Italy : an offering to Lucy,
         Countess of Bedford / Giacomo Castelvetro ; translated with an
         introduction by Gillian Riley ; foreword by Jane Grigson.
PUB. INFO: London, England : New York, N.Y., USA : Viking ; [London] :
         British Museum, Natural History, 1989.
DESCRIPTION: 175 p. : ill. (some col.) ; 26 cm.

Bibliofind and Amazon have it as well... with the ISBN being 067082724X

I cannot get into the Library of Congress right now.

(References: telnet://hollis.harvard.edu, http://www.bibliofind.com,
http://www.amazon.com, telnet://locis.loc.gov)

	Tibor


From: "Greg Lindahl" <lindahl at pbm.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:14:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SC - Vegetarian dishes

> I have an excellent recipie for lentils that I have used as a vegetarian dish
> in the past.  It is not a period recipie, but it tastes good and can
> presented in a period manner.  If you think this would be suitable I would be
> more than happy to post it for you.

Cariadoc's Miscellany has a recipe for lentils from the al-Andalusi
manuscript. I actually recently added a search function to various pages
of mine, so you can do things like search for all instances of
"lentils" in the Miscellany.

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/miscellany.html

[ the recipe is # 25 in the "Islamic with Veggies" section, "Cooked
Dish of Lentils". ]

Gregory Blount


From: Leila Mohajerin <lmohajer at email.unc.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:20:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SC - Vegetarian dishes

Greetings and Well Wishes on Your Grand Undertaking!

While I am not a vegetarian, I have lots of friends who are, and have done
lots of cooking for them. If it is not in conflict with any theme, many
Mediterranean dishes are either without meat, or easily substituting other
stuff.  They also are usually quite nice on hot days in August.  Some
ideas (by country of origin) are:
Elizabethan England:Artichoke pie
	Beet tart
	Turnip Stuffed with apples
	Kidney Bean Tart
	spinach date fritters
	Parsnips and marigold in orange juice
Spain: 	Gazpacho-tomato and cucumber based, chilled
	 several omlettes- Tortilla de Patatas is potato based
			-Huevos a la flamenca
	sauteed artichokes
	soups (Garbanzos, or other beans)
	custards-Flan
	fruits
Portugal: Omeleta de tomate
	Pudim de pao (Bread pudding)
	Pineapple
	Caldo verde (green cabbage soup)
Italy:	Zabalione (wine custard)
 	Pasta (my sources are not definite, but believe that pasta, as in
paste or dough, did exist in ancient Roman cusine in the form of a noodle
called Laganum, usually served with a fish sauce or with a mixture of
herbs, grated cheese, and olive oil-Pesto!)
	Risotto alla milanese (a rice dish)
	Mozzarella in Carrozza
	Caponata alla Cosenza (Eggplant and vegetable Relish)
Greek:	Tiropetes _cheese-filled phyllo pastries
	Rizogalo -rice pudding

Then there is the Middle Eastern cuisine with Falafel, and many other
veggie things
 
One way you can please both your vegetarian and meateaters is the have a
dish that is based on rice, with several different types of toppings, one
for each type of diet.  Since you can make this is large amounts, it is
suitable for feasts.

 If the "fairly picky group" is not vegan, you do not have to avoid the
dairy products. 

I realize that I also did not include any actual recipes.  If any I have
refered to interest you, please write back.  I will be happy to type them
out.

I hope that some of this will be of help.  

- -Sveva


Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:18:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rooscc at aol.com
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: medieval vegetarianism

Broad beans were a staple and there were other legumes
including vetches. Legumes and grain (wheat, rye, oats, and/
or barley) together make up a complimentary protein.
The bread of the lower class included beans as well as
grains. Eggs are the most usable protein and dairy products 
also complement grains, but both were seasonal, except
for cheese and to a lesser extent butter (ways of storing
dairy produce).

Vegetarianism was practiced in monastic houses under
a strict rule. For examples, look in earlier times, although
there were sporadic reforms throughout the period.
More common was the avoidance of meat, which did not
include restricting fish and at certain periods, fowl.
Earlier studies seem to underestimate the amount of meat
in the "normal" diet of the lower classes--this is
currently being reevaluated.

Alysoun
Middle Kingdom


Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 18:15:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sarah Elmore <psu08000 at odin.cc.pdx.edu>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: medieval vegetarianism (fwd)

On Fri, 9 May 1997, barbara shuwarger wrote:

> I believe the 12th-13th century Cathar heretics Of Occitania/Southern
> France were vegetarians. I will check to make sure. 
> 
> Helisenne

The Catherists (Albigenisians) were not vegetarians. The "perfecti" did not 
eat anything that was created due to sexual reproduction. However 
according to the Catherists the following were not created by 
reproduction: fish and vegetables. I think that there might be one or two 
other things that qualify. This is from a book titled "Montiaue" sp?. I 
have it at home if you you want a better reference.

Sarah Fabritzio
Antir


Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:30:01 -0800
From: david friedman <ddfr at best.com>
Subject: Re: SC - vegetarian dish help please

At 8:36 PM -0400 10/19/97, Robert Beaulieu wrote:
>        I am preparing a small medieval home feast (about 12 persons)
>and I desperately need help...
>
>   I need about 3 different recipes that are period, that would be main
>dishes for vegetarians, that would be both a pealing and side dishes  to
>non vegetarians, and yet would not be overfilling for those that would
>eat it along with meat...

The Andalusian Dish of Lentils in the _Miscellany_ qualifies. The eggplant
pancakes probably do. The various pasta a cheese dishes (Losynges, Macrows,
etc.) do if your vegetarians will eat cheese. So does Fried Dish of Broad
Beans.

I think all of them are in the webbed version of the _Miscellany_,
reachable from my web page.

David Friedman
Professor of Law
Santa Clara University


Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:23:41 -0800
From: david friedman <ddfr at best.com>
Subject: Re: SC - Fw: [Mid] Feasts

>The only dish that was not period was the Lentil balls. However, it was
>made with only period ingredients as I was trying to use them to replace
>the meatballs.

A period problem as well. You might want to look at the Counterfeit
(Vegetarian) IsfÓriy‚ of Garbanzos in the Andalusian cookbook. Also, note
that Chiquart provides a whole parallel menu of fast day dishes.

David/Cariadoc


Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 13:17:48 -0500
From: Dottie Elliott <macdj at onr.com>
Subject: Re: SC - recipes

Cariadoc has a good Lentil dish recipe in his miscellany collection
online. He also has 2 spinach/cheese pie recipes, a Fried Gourd with
Garlic Sauce recipe, and Macrows recipe all of which I have made for
vegetarians.

Clarissa


Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:09:32 +1100 (EST)
From: Charles McCathieNevile <charlesn at sunrise.srl.rmit.edu.au>
Subject: Re: SC - recipes (vegetarian)

A barley recipe I have used from the British museum cookbook. I don't
know how period it really is, but it seems OK to me for peri-oid. Any
comments world?

Barley, parsnips, carrots, dates, milk, saffron, honey, ginger, nutmeg,
cinnamon. Cook it up. It comes out like porridge with flavoured bits -
sweet but very nice.

(I don't have the actual recipe in front of me, but nor have I on the
dozen or so occasions i have made it)

Charles Ragnar


Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:33:59 +1100 (EST)
From: Charles McCathieNevile <charlesn at sunrise.srl.rmit.edu.au>
Subject: SC - Barley recipe - Amyndoun Seaw

A vegetable gruel. This is the recipe requested - it is not from British
Museum COokbook, as I thought. I have a very faded photocopy of it, on
page 186, under flore frittours. Ring any bells anywhere?

2 c amyndoun or wheatgerm or buckwheat groats or 'gritty' cereal
2 Tablespoons butter
4 c milk
1 c fresh carrots, sliced 1/2" thick rounds
1/2 c parsnip, diced
1 cup raisins
8 - 10 prunes pitted
1/2 tsp Salt
1/4 tsp ginger poweder, connamon
1/2 tsp dried basil crushed or grated candied ginger
6 Tbs honey
3 Tbs purple-plum preserve

in deep covered skillet melt butter and toast the cereal for 2-3 minutes
over low flame.
Mix all other ingredients except basil/candied ginger, honey, preserves.
Add mixture to toasated cereal, simmer slowly for 20 mins.

Spoon into bowls, ad the garnish stuff (=the rest)

Source unknown...

Charles


Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:15:15 -0800
From: "Anne-Marie Rousseau" <acrouss at gte.net>
Subject: Re: SC - recipes (vegetarian)

Hi all from Anne-Marie
My favorite (so far! :)) vegetarian documented period recipe is frumenty
(barley), espeicially when served with a big scoop of funges on top.

If you have specific questions on my reconstrucions, feel free to ask away.
Oh, and if you do use these, all I ask is that you let me know (I get a
buzz off knowing people are eating my food all over the place! :))

enjoy!

FUNGES (Forme of Curye #12, c. 1399)
Take Funges and pare hem clene, and dyce hem; take leke and shred hym small
and do hym to seeth in gode broth. Colour it with safroun and do therinne
powdour fort.

1 lb mushrooms
2 leek, white and tender green bits only
2 cups Swansons brand vegetable broth
1 pinch saffron
3/4 tsp powder forte*

Wash the veggies, slice the leek finely and cut the mushrooms into chunks.
Add saffron to the broth and bring it to a boil. Add the leek, mushrooms
and spices to the broth. Simmer 20 minutres or until liquid is mostly gone.
Remove from the heat and serve with frumenty.
Serves 6.

*Powder forte:
1/2 tsp freshly ground black pepper
1 1/2 Tbsp ginger
1 Tbsp cinnamon
1/2 tsp clove
1/2 tsp grains of paradise, ground in a mortar and pestle (if you can't
find grains, add a 50/50 mix of ginger and black pepper)
Mix and store in an airtight container away from light and heat.

FRUMENTY (Diuersa Servicia #1, c. 1399)
For to make furmenty. Nym clene wete & bray it in a morter wel, that the
holys gon al of, & seyt yt til ty breste; & nym yt up & lat it kele. And
nyum fayre fresch broth & swete mylk of almandys or swete mylk of kyne and
temper yt al. & nym the yolkys of eyryn & saffron & do thereto. Boyle it a
lityl & set yt adoun, & messe yt forthe wyth fat venysoun & fresch motoun.

1 cup pearl barley
2 3/4 cups veggie broth
1/4 cup milk
pinch saffron
1 egg

Stir barley into broiling broth, along with saffron. Cover pan and cook
over very low heat 30-50 minutes. Stir in beaten egg. Stir over very low
heat for a few minutes before serving.
Serves 6.


Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:36:49 -0800
From: david friedman <ddfr at best.com>
Subject: Re: SC - help?

At 2:03 PM -0700 4/2/98, Sabia wrote:
>Greetings, I will be doing a feast at the end of this month, but I am
>still lacking a vegitarian receipe for my forth course,  I was hoping to
>locate something that was red or themed toward fire, ...  Also  is
>there a documented receipe for saffron rice?

For the first, how about

Torta from Red Chickpeas
Platina p. 142 (book 8)

Grind up red chickpeas that have been well cooked with their own juice and
with a little rosewater. When they have been ground, pass them through a
strainer into a bowl. Add a pound of almonds so ground up that it is not a
chore to pass them through the strainer, two ounces of raisins, three or
four figs ground up at the same time. And besides this, add an ounce of
pine kernels coarsely ground, and as much sugar and rosewater as you need,
and just so much cinnamon and ginger; and blend. Put the mixture into a
well-greased pan with the pastry crust on the bottom. There are those who
add starch or pike eggs, so that this torta is more firm; when it is
cooked, put it almost above the fire to make it more colored. It should be
thin and sprinkled with sugar and rosewater. [end of original]

1 15 oz can chickpeas, w/ liquid        1 oz pine nuts
3/8 c water     1/2 c sugar     2 t more sugar
1 lb almonds    1/8 c rosewater a few drops more rosewater
2 oz raisins    1 t cinnamon    pastry for 2 9" pie crusts
4 figs  1/2 t ginger

Grind almonds finely, but not to dust. Chop pine nuts coarsely. Grind
chickpeas in a food processor with the liquid from the can, then grind
raisins and figs. Stir these and the sugar, rosewater, extra water,
cinnamon, and ginger together. The pie crust can be rolled out and put on a
10"x15" cookie sheet or it can be made into two 9" pie shells. The filling
is spread on top; it will be thicker if made as two pies. Mix extra sugar
and rosewater together and sprinkle on top. Bake 30 to 40 minutes for the
cookie-sheet version, or 50-60 minutes for the pie version, in a 375° oven
until golden brown. [from the _Miscellany_]

I don't know if it is "themed toward fire" but I suspect sugar and dried
fruit, at least, are of a hot and dry nature by period theory of the humors.

Elizabeth/Betty Cook


Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:00:36 -0800
From: david friedman <ddfr at best.com>
Subject: Re: SC - meat days and fast days - MIXED?

Master Chiquart, in describing how to do a very elaborate feast for a huge
number of people (Du Fait de Cuisine, early 15th century, Savoy, webbed on
my site), makes it clear that there will be some guests who are not eating
meat for one reason or another, and suitable dishes should be provided for
them.

David/Cariadoc
http://www.best.com/~ddfr/


Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:54:43 EST
From: CONNECT at aol.com
Subject: SC - Vegetable Tarte from Goodman of Paris pg 278

I do not have the original text from the Goodman of Paris cookbook, but this
tarte should be found on page 278 if you have the book.
- ------------
This receipe was redacted from Goodman of Paris by dona Dulcinea Maria von
Muhlberg y Aguilar, of the Middle Kingdom.

1/2 cup mustard greens
1/2 cup swiss chard
1/2 cup fresh parsley
1/2 cup spinach
1/4 cup dried chervil (or 1/2 cup fresh)
1 tsp fennel seeds
1&1/2 tsp peppercorns
1/2 cup parmesan cheese--grated
1 cup cheddar cheese--grated
7 eggs beaten
pastry for two single crust pies

Heat oven to 400 degress. Line two 9" pie tins. Wash, pat dry, devein and
finely chop the greens. Beat eggs. Stir in all ingredients except 1/4 cup
parmesan cheese. Pour into pie tins. Sprinkle tops with reserved parmesan
cheese. Bake at 400 degrees for 20 minutes. Turn down heat to 350 degress
and cook for 15 minutes, or until eggs are completely cooked.

serves 16

note: This receipe calls for beet tops, which I have substitued with mustard,
chard and spinach (these are all mentioned at various points in the
manuscript.)
- ---------------------

As stated earlier, these pies are even better if you reheat them. So, I have
always made them in advance, frozen them and then reheated them for 15 minutes
at approx. 400 degrees before serving. I'd suggest covering the crust of the
pies when baking, as they can get very dark if left exposed.

It's important to put the greens into the egg mixture and then ladle that
mixture into the tins. The one time I goofed and put the greens into the
shells and poured the egg and cheese mixture on them, the texture was off
considerably. I grind the peppercorns very coarsely, but leave the fennel
seeds whole.

It is my opinion that this dish is great for vegetarians who will eat eggs and
cheese. Be sure to use a pie shell made with vegetable shortening. I've served
this as a main dish for vegetarians and as a side dish for carnivors, and had
very little returned to the kitchen.

Your humble servant,
Rosalyn MacGregor
(Pattie Rayl)


Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 02:12:59 -0600
From: LYN M PARKINSON <allilyn at juno.com>
Subject: Re: SC - new recipe

Vegetarian Skirrets, Rapes and Pasternakes*
Redacted by L. Allison Poinvillars de Tours  This is similar to the
recipe redacted by Cariadoc and Elizabeth, using the broth, on their web
site.

Forme of Cury, #7.
Hieatt, Constance & Sharon Butler. CURYE ON INGLYSCH. Oxford   University
Press.  1985.   ISBN 0 19 722409 1

Rapes in potage.  Take rapus and make hem clene, and waissh hem clene;
quarter hem; perboile hem, take hem vp.  Cast hem in a gode broth and
seeth hem; mynce oynouns and cast therto safroun and salt, and messe it
forth with powdour douce.  In the self wise make of pasturnakes and
skyrwittes.

Turnips in broth.  Take turnips and peel, and wash.  Cut in quarters and
parboil, drain.  Simmer until tender in a rich broth; add minced onions,
saffron and salt.  Sprinkle with sweet powders when dishing up.  Cook
parsnips and skirrets the same way.

4 large carrots                 4 large parsnips,
5 medium turnips                2 large onions
1 1/2 C. water          1/2 C. white wine
1 Tblsp. olive oil              2 Tblsp. honey
1/2 tsp. powder douce  (sugar, ginger, cinnamon, cloves)

Parboil cleaned, diced turnips and parsnips, (parsnips need longest
cooking) and drain.  In place of meat broth, use a cooking liquid of
water, wine, oil and honey.  Recipe #9, Chebolace, says to use water and
oil in place of broth on a fish day.  Plain water and oil had little
flavor and was not rich enough, so I added the wine, and the honey, 1 T.
at a time, to get a pleasing combination.  Cook minced onions (needed
longer cooking) in non-meat broth, add saffron, and the powder douce so
that it has time to cook into the vegetables, again because the broth is
not used, and neither was salt, for original cooking.  Add cleaned, diced
carrots and cook.  Skirrets are not available commercially.  When carrots
are nearly cooked, add turnips and parsnips, simmer until done, removing
lid towards end to cook down most of liquid.

*The part of the skirrets is played today by carrots.

Comments welcome, especially from vegetarians.  Would you be pleased to
see this dish at a feast?

Allison
allilyn at juno.com, Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands, Pittsburgh, PA
Kingdom of Aethelmearc


Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:18:27 -0400
From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>
Subject: Re: SC - A Dilemma on what to cook for Dinner-HELP!

Lady Elisabeth of Pendarvis wrote:
> SOOOOO, my dilemma:  Do I cook a medieval dinner with meat for everyone and
> once again cook separately for the two vegetarians?  Do I cook a medieval or
> period-like dinner that is vegetarian (if so suggestions welcome)?

You might try doing a vegetarian main dish/thick pottage to which meat
can be added by the carnivores. An example would be joutes or porrey
(greens) cooked with butter or almond milk, without stock or smoked
meat, but with bacon or ham, or whatever, on the side. Another
possibility might be pease pottage done the same way, or cabbage. I
usually do lunches this way for events.

Adamantius


Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:40:25 -0500
From: upsxdls at okstate.edu
Subject: Re: SC - A Dilemma on what to cook for Dinner-HELP!

I tried to keep out of this thread, but I can't.  I'm a carnivore, I'm also
a cook.  I cook for a household in my Shire at events.  We have a couple of
ovo-lacto vegetarians.  Here is what I did to accomodate everyone with a
minimum of extra work.  I don't even pretend these items are period.

First course:  Sourdough & Sauerkraut Breads with Herbed Cream Cheese
        (OK for both groups)
Second Course:  Garlic Chicken, rice and honey carrots
        (I cooked the rice in vegetable broth instead of chicken stock)
Third Course:  Bratwurst in Beer, Sauteed Cabbage, stewed apples and bread
        (I used vegetable oil and vegetable broth in the cabbage, omitting            
            sausage called for in the recipe)

Everyone was so stuffed, no one missed dessert.  Thank goodness.  Next
time, I'm going to make egg pies and mushroom pasties as entree dishes.  I
know I'll repeat the breads & herbed cream cheese, they went over so well.
I always try to accomodate vegetarians, folks with allergies, or something
someone "just doesn't like."  One member, in particular, only ate corn, no
other vegetables.  She tried the honey carrots and went back for seconds.
Surprise!

When my house started camping together, we agreed food costs would be
evenly divided among the household.  Even though the vegetarians wouldn't
eat the meat, they could eat more than enough of everything else.  We have
some folks who don't eat enough to keep a bird alive, while others seem to
be bottomless pits.  There's no way to make sharing food costs equitable.
Anyway, I believe it's only polite to remember someone else's food
orientation, keeping it in mind while menu planning.

Lady Liadnan (Leanna) of Sparrowhaven
Shire Hospitaler
Member of Merry Mucians of Mooneschadowe
Member House of Dancing Lions
Shire of Mooneschadowe (Stillwater)
Ansteorra (Oklahoma)


Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:13:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: cclark at vicon.net
Subject: Meatless alternatives, was: SC - Questions: _Art, Culture & Cuisine...

Edward Long-hair wrote:
>* Finally, has anyone got a list of recipes which specify what changes
>can be made to make them suitable for a non-meat day? I'm after some
>period guidelines as to what to do when adapting recipes for vegetarians.

For medieval English recipes, two rules seem to be that broth is replaced by
almond milk and olive or other vegetable oil, and grease likewise replaced
by vegetable oil. I take this to imply that they weren't in the habit of
skimming all the fat off their broths.

If the broth was cooked without starch, then the almond milk that replaces
it should not be too thick - otherwise it could curdle.

Alex Clark/Henry of Maldon


Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:09:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: cclark at vicon.net
Subject: Re: SC - It's Harvest Time

Brangwayna wrote:
> ... The recipe just specifies "good broth"; I
>used vegetable broth because I wanted it to be a vegetarian dish. ...

If you'd like to try period-style vegetarian cooking, consider substituting
almond milk (and perhaps a little olive oil) for the broth. There are some
recipes that seem to indicate that this was a fairly usual practice, such as
"appulmose," no. II 35 in _Curye_on_Inglysch_. But I don't recall ever
seeing a period reference to vegetable "broth."

Alex Clark/Henry of Maldon


Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:08:34 -0000
From: Christina Nevin <cnevin at caci.co.uk>
Subject: Re: SC - A question on Cookbook and Projects

	Allison,     allilyn at juno.com wrote:
	<snip>.  There is a book on the history of vegetarianism in period, _The
	Heretic's Feast_, by Colin Spencer, University Press of New England,
	Hanover & London, 1993.  

I just bought this book myself this weekend. The woman I got it off said
apart from a very good explanation of vegetarian dietary philosophies (from
Roman times onwards), it finally helped her to understand the difference
between the various medieval Christian sects - so she recommended it on two
counts. 

Lucretzia


Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:51:15 -0500
From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" <harper at idt.net>
Subject: SC - A milestone, and a comment on cooking without meat

I'm feeling somewhat pleased with myself.  I have just finished the rough 
draft of de Nola's chapter on meat dishes -- 179 recipes!! -- and have 
begun the Lenten section.  As there are only 64 Lenten recipes,  many 
of them short, I have high hopes of finishing the translation sometime 
before the end of the current geological epoch.  :-)

The introduction to the next chapter contains an interesting remark 
about adapting meat dishes for Lenten cooking.  De Nola says:

"Although the victuals that you can make for meat days are infinite, 
many of them can be made in Lent, because in the chapters on those 
victuals where I say to dissolve them with meat broth, those sauces or 
pottages can be dissolved with salt and oil and water, but first you have 
to give it a boil.  And in this manner it is as good as meat broth if it is 
well tempered with salt and if the oil is very fine, and in this manner, 
many victuals which are put forth for meat days can be made in Lent."

Lady Brighid ni Chiarain
Settmour Swamp, East (NJ)


Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:11:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: cclark at vicon.net
Subject: Re: SC - an interesting challenge...and its even about medieval food! :)

Anne-Marie wrote:
>the twist this year is they want a vegetarian/vegan dinner.

Medieval vegan feast. How odd. (understatement alert!)

How very odd.

Well, I can think of a few recipes that fit the bill.

Makke: hulled, mashed fava beans with a little red wine (a nice chianti,
perhaps?) topped with onions fried brown. (There are other recipes for
beans, but they often call for some bacon or something on the side.)

Pottage of rice: rice porridge cooked with almond milk, sugar and saffron.

Spynoches yfryed: spinach blanched, drained, sauteed in oil, and sprinkled
liberally with sweet spices.

Sallet: garden cress, spinach and/or leaf lettuce, with miscellaneous green
herbs, green garlic, onions, etc., in oil and vinegar.

Rapey: figs and raisins cooked with wine, mashed and strained, and then
cooked with rice flour or other starch, pepper and (sometimes) other spices.

Nysebek/mincebek/mistembec: Fried batter sprinkled with sugar or dipped in
honey. The batter can be made with white flour and/or wheat starch, water or
almond milk, and ale-barm/baking yeast or sourdough.

The foregoing are all from _Curye on Inglysch_ by Hieatt and Butler. There
are more where these came from, and of course other recipes that can be
found in other sources. Though in those days most of these would have been
regarded as side dishes and sweets/desserts, to be served at a meal where
the main foods are flesh or fish.

Henry of Maldon/Alex Clark


Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:19:00 -0600
From: "Christi Rigby" <crigby at uswest.net>
Subject: RE: SC - an interesting challenge...and its even about medieval food! :)

I have nothing to do today (except sew my fingers to the bone which I am
procrastinating about) so I went to the Miscellany, and some books I have
and found the following:

Mustard Greens - Anthimus
Cress in Lent with Milk or Almonds - Menagier
Lenten foyles - Ordinance of Potage
Fried Gourd - Platina
Funges (using veggie broth) - Forme of Cury
Perre - Two Fifteenth Century
Makke - Form of Curry
Fried Broad Beans - Platina (using the "or else fry them well rubbed with
oil" version)
To Make a Tarte of Spinach - Proper Newe Booke
Recipe of Eggplant Pancakes - al-Andalusi
Badinjan Muhassa - ibn al-Mahdi's cookbook
Cooked Dish of lentils - al-Andalusi
A Muzawwara - Andalusian
Adas - Ibn al-Mabrad
Isfanakh Mutajjan - al-Baghdadi
Asparagus - The Original Mediterranean Cuisine
Asparagus - The Original Mediterranean Cuisine (recipe 2)
Favourite Broad Beans - The Original Mediterranean Cuisine
Green Cabbage - The Original Mediterranean Cuisine
Tender Chick Peas with Almond Milk - The Original Mediterranean Cuisine
Fennel and Leek - The Original Mediterranean Cuisine
Fried Gourds - The Original Mediterranean Cuisine
Leeks - T.O.M.C.
Dish of Onions - T.O.M.C.
On Preparing a salad of several greens - Platina - T.O.M.C.
Mushrooms of Sauce - T.O.M.C.
Of Small Leaves, and Fennel - T.O.M.C
Apple Fritters for lent - T.O.M.C.
Rice with Almond Milk - T.O.M.C
Quinces Boiled in a Pot - T.O.M.C.
Quinces - T.O.M.C.
Angel's Food - T.O.M.C.
Quince Paste - T.O.M.C
Candied Orange Peel - T.O.M.C.
Figs with Rose Petals - T.O.M.C.
To Prepare Salad for Celery - The Sensible Cook (recipes from 1609)
To Prepare a Salad of Artichokes - The Sensible Cook
To prepare all Kinds of cooked Salads - The Sensible Cook
About Asparagus - T.S.C.
To Make an Apple-taert - T.S.C.
To make and Apple-taert in yet another way - T.S.C.
To make a Cherry Taert - T.S.C.
To make a Spinach-taert the color green - T.S.C.
To candy green Walnuts - T.S.C
Lots of misc. candied fruit recipes - T.S.C.
Lots of misc. preserved fruit recipes - T.S.C.

These are all Vegan, no meats, no cheese, no eggs.

Murkial


Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:47:08 EDT
From: allilyn at juno.com
Subject: Re: SC - an interesting challenge...and its even about  medieval food! :)

Chiquart's quinces--vegan

70.  Again, quinces in pastry: and to give understanding to him who
should prepare them let him arrange that he has his fair and good quinces
and then let him clean them well and properly and then make a narrow hole
on top and remove the seeds and what they are wrapped in, and let him
take care that he does not break through on the bottom or anywhere else;
and, this being done, put them to boil in a fair and clean cauldron or
pot in fair water and, being thus cooked, take them out onto fair and
clean boards to drain and put them upside down without cutting them up.
And then let him go to the pastry-cooks and order from them the little
crusts of the said pastries to put into each of the said little crusts
three quinces or four or more. And when the said little crusts are made
fill the holes in the said quinces with very good sugar, then arrange
them in the said little crusts and cover and put to cook in the oven;
and, being cooked enough, let them be served.

Core and seed quinces without breaking through far end.  Simmer until
almost tender, drain upside down.  Stuff openings with brown sugar, wrap
in filo, brush with melted butter, bake til golden brown.   APdeT  2/99

Regards,
Allison,     allilyn at juno.com


Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:47:08 EDT
From: allilyn at juno.com
Subject: Re: SC - an interesting challenge...and its even about  medieval food! :)

Chiquart's chickpeas--vegan

76. Again syseros: and to give understanding to him who will prepare the
syseros let him take his chick-peas and pick them over grain by grain
such that there remains nothing but the chick-peas themselves, and then
wash them in three or four changes of lukewarm water and put them to
boil; and, being boiled, let him remove them from this water and put in
other fresh water and put back to boil and, being boiled put them to rest
in the said pot until the next day; and when the next day comes drain the
water off them and put in again other fresh water and put to boil with a
very little salt, almond oil, and parsley together with its roots well
picked over and cleaned -- and these roots should be scraped and very
well washed -- and a little sage. And do not put in anything else without
the doctor's order, and if he tells you to put in a little cinnamon and a
little verjuice to give it a little flavor, put them in; otherwise not.
[this differs from the following recipes by the addition of parsley,
parsley root, sage, and possibly cinnamon and verjuice]
	Using canned chick peas, drain, rinse, add fresh water, salt,
almond oil, and parsley, and parsley roots, sage.  Cinnamon and verjuice
may be added.  [possibly, if almond oil is not available, olive oil and
almond extract might be used.  If parsley roots are not available, a few
slices of parsnip will impart the ëearthyí flavor I associate with
roots.] APdeT
	This can be suggested to modern cooks who want to 'help with the
demo'.
Regards,
Allison,     allilyn at juno.com


Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:47:08 EDT
From: allilyn at juno.com
Subject: Re: SC - an interesting challenge...and its even about  medieval food! :)

Chiquart's Spinach-Parsley Almond Cream Soup

69a. And if it happens that the doctor does not want to give the said
green purÈe to the sick person, let the said spinach and parsley be
prepared well and properly as is said above up to when he puts them in
the pot, [wash and stem] then take very good almonds as are necessary to
him and let him clean, blanch, and wash them very well and put them to be
brayed in a mortar--and that should neither smell nor taste of garlic:
[Latin phrase having to do with the medical qualities of garlic and other
things]--and let him bray them very well and moisten them with fair fresh
water and pass them through a good and clean strainer; and make milk of
them and put it in a fair pot. Then let him put it to boil very gently on
a fair clear fire or good coals and put in a little bit of salt, and when
the said milk boils put in the said spinach and a little almond oil and
cook it well and properly. And when they are well cooked do as was said
above to let the doctor know.
[spinach/parsley almond-cream soup; necessary in this one to strain the
almonds.  Could cook the spinach and parsely with the whole almond milk,
strain results.  Roll spiced ërefuseí in pastry and bake, slice for
appetizers.  Will work as ëfinger foodí for a demo.] APdeT
í99.								
9. Again, for a blancmange divided into four colors all on one dish, that
is or, azure, gules, and argent: ...        use veggie broth, or pea
broth.  This would make one of the pretty dishes you are good at doing,
AM.
Regards,
Allison,     allilyn at juno.com


Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:47:08 EDT
From: allilyn at juno.com
Subject: Re: SC - an interesting challenge...and its even about  medieval food! :)

Chiquart's almond applesauce--vegan

73.  Again, emplumeus of apples: to give understanding to him who will
make it, take good barberine apples according to the quantity of it which
one wants to make and then pare them well and properly and cut them into
fair gold or silver dishes; and let him have a fair, good, and clean
earthen pot, and let him put in fair clean water and put to boil over
fair and clear coals and put his apples to boil therein. And let him
arrange that he has a great quantity of good sweet almonds according to
the quantity of apples which he has put to cook, and let him blanch,
clean, and wash them very well and put them to be brayed in a mortar
which does not smell at all of garlic, and let him bray them very well
and moisten them with the broth in which the said apples are cooking; and
when the said apples are cooked enough draw them out onto fair and clean
boards, and let him strain the almonds with this water and make milk
which is good and thick, and put it back to boil on clear and clean coals
without smoke, and a very little salt. And while it boils let him chop
his said apples very small with a little clean knife and then, being
chopped, let him put them into his milk, and put in a great deal of sugar
according to the amount that there is of the said emplumeus of apples;
and then, when the doctor asks for it, put it in fair bowls or pans of
gold or silver.

Regards,
Allison,     allilyn at juno.com


Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:47:08 EDT
From: allilyn at juno.com
Subject: Re: SC - an interesting challenge...and its even about  medieval food! :)

Eggplant
 This appeared in Tournaments Illuminated, no. 89, Winter A.S. XXIII, p. 27.
by Nige of the Cleftlands, with assistance from Mathilde Meyer.  

Original: BERENGENAS EN CACUELA  [the second c has a cedilla above it,
but can't do it on juno]
Tomar berengenas y mondarlas dela corteza muy bie y cortarlas en tres o
quartro pedacos cada una: y cozer las en buen caldo de carnero co nv par
de cebollas...(Spanish)

68.  De alberginies en cassola
Albergines pendras e neteja-les de la escorca  e talla-les en tres o
quatre tocos cascuna.  E metles a coure ab bon brou de molto ab un parell
de cebes...

Our Translation:
Take eggplants and peel them well and cut them in 3 or 4 pieces each, and
cook them in good mutton broth with a pair of onion, and cook them until
they are well cooked; and being cooked, take them from the pan; and chop
them on a cutting board till they are very small; and then add good
grated Aragon cheese and some egg yolks.  And mince it all like the
stuffing for a kid, and add salsa fina, putting all of these spices into
the casserole, well mixed: ginger, mace, nutmeg, green coriander; and
parsley; then take the casserole to the oven.  and when it is cooked,
sprinkle it with sugar and cinnamon.

Salsa fina is a bit of a mystery, but as the spices listed immediately
afterwards are also referred to as salsa, they may be what is actually
intended.  ....snip
Sources
Libre del coch. Mestre Robert, Barcelona, 1977
Libro de guisados manjares y potages intitulado Libro de Cozina, Facsimil
de la edicion de Logrone, 1529. Rupert de Nola, Madrid: Ediciones
Guillermo Blasquez.
_______________________________________________
Test version prepared for Known World Heraldry Road Show.
What I did:
Sliced eggplant in half, longways.  Scooped out most of pulp, leaving a
little 'wall' with the skin.  Chopped the pulp, adding chopped onions,
and some minced cilantro and curley parsley.  Made lamb broth with a leg
of lamb bone saved for soup. [ We will have to buy lamb or mutton to do
this]  Added veggies to simmering lamb broth, cooked them.  Added grated
Muenster cheese as I was supposed to be preparing this in Germany.  Added
an egg or a yolk.  Added some of my powder douce, with home ground spices
from the Pepperar's Guild: nutmeg, mace, ginger, cinnamon, sugar.  [We
can make it without the cinnamon for the event].  Spooned the mix back
into the shells and baked in convection oven, 300*, until done. [I
forget].  Baking it in the shells gave it a sort of smoky taste, which we
liked.
APdeT
______________________________________

Rheinfrankisches Kochbuch, 1445

65.  Nimm Feigen, Rosinen und Honig, hacke alles zusammen klein und
mische es dabei untereinander, gib auch Gew¸rz und andere gute Zutaten
hinzu.  F¸lle es in (ausgehˆhlte) ƒpfel und hefte diese jeweils mit einem
hˆlzernen Spie?chen wieder zusammen.  Backe die gef¸llten ƒpfel in einem
Topf mit Weinin der F¸llung (oder: in einem Teigmantel, der mit
Weinhergestellt wurde).  Dann wird es sehr wohlschmeckend.

Take figs, raisins and honey, chop them small, all together, give also
spices and other good ingredients [I used walnuts at Celtic Spring II]. 
Use as stuffing for cored apples, bake in wine/honey sauce.  Plump the
figs if using dried figs. Note: if using an apple corer/peeler/slicer,
you have the look of whole apples, but people can take just a little if
preferred.

Allison,     allilyn at juno.com


Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:47:08 EDT
From: allilyn at juno.com
Subject: SC - still more veggie

MenagieróJanet Hinson		
The liquid from the peas on a meat day is of no account. On a fish day
and in Lent, fry the onions as is told in the preceding chapter, and then
put the oil in which the onions were fried and the onions in along with
bread-crumbs, ginger, cloves and grain, grind:  and sprinkle with vinegar
and wine, and add a little saffron, then adorn the bowl with slices of
bread.
On a meat day, use meat broth instead of pea broth.  On a fish day and in
Lent, 
1 Cup minced onion			2 T. olive oil
? C. bread crumbs			1 C. pea broth
? t. ginger				º t. cloves
2 T. flour 				[or 1 C. soaked wheat
berries]	
? t. vinegar				1 T. wine
few threads saffron			toast for garnish
Fry onions in olive oil until slightly brown.  Use the flour to make a
roux with the olive oil.  Add remaining ingredients and simmer until well
blended, breadcrumbs dissolved, and spices well blended throughout. 
Serve with toast slices.                 APdeT  2/99

	1000 Eggs, Vol II, p178, is for Hare in Wortes.  Cabbage is used
with other herbs and greens.  Possible to make a veggie version and add
poached eggs?
	Hare in Herbs.  Take cabbages, and strip them fair from the
stalkes.  Take Beets and Borage, avens, Violet, Mallow, parsley, betony,
patience* [another name for Dock (Rumex species) substitue sorrel] the
white of the leeks, and the young top of the nettle; parboil, press out
the water, hew them small.  And do thereto mix.  Take good broth of fresh
beef, or other good flesh and marrow bones; [pea broth and butter]; put
it in a pot set on the fire; chop the hare in pieces, and , if thou will,
wash her in the same broth, and then draw it through A strainer with the
blood, And then put all on the fire. And if she is an old hare, let her
boil well, before thou cast in thy herbs; if she is young, cast in all
together at once; And let them boil till they are enough, and season them
with salt. And serve them forth.  The same way thou may make herbs of A
Goose of a night, powdering of beef [corned beef], or any other fresh
flesh.
2 C. chopped cabbage			4 C. assorted greens and
herbs
2 C. chopped whites of leeks		8 C. water
Parboil veggies 10 min., drain, press out water by rolling in towel.
2 C. pea broth				2 C. water or wine
2 T. vinegar				8 eggs
1 T. salt
	Heat broth, water or wine, vinegar and salt to boiling, reduce to
fast simmer, add eggs, one at a time, to poach.  When eggs are cooked,
remove to dish in oven to keep warm.  Add parboiled veggies to simmering
broth, cook until tender, taste for salt.  This should have a slightly
salty taste.  Dish up, set poached eggs on top in green ënestsí.  The
vinegar is not called for in original recipe, but helps to poach eggs and
is a frequently used ingredient.  Hard boiled eggs could also be used, in
place of the poached eggs, in which case the vinegar would not be needed.
_______________________APdeT   2/99

Cury on Inglish     Cabbage
caboches n. cabbages IV 6, 103. CABOCHES IN POTAGE IV 6, stew of cabbage,
onions, and leeks in broth.  None of the French recipes correspond
closely, although this sort of preparation may be implied under the
heading of poree, MP pp. 139-40; cf. CB p. 33, Caboges.
6.  Cabbages in pottage.  Take cabbages and quarter them, and simmer in
good broth with minced onions and the white of leeks slivered small.  Add
saffron and salt, and season it with sweet powders.
My Notes:  This is somewhat like Harleian 145 with the white peas
variation.
2 C. washed, chopped cabbage		3 C. boiling water
parboil cabbage 10 min., drain, remove water, squeezing in towel
1 C. pea broth				1 C. white wine
? C. minced onion			1 chopped leek white
1-2 t. salt				several strands saffron
2 T. powder douce.
Simmer until tender but not overcooked.
________________________APdeT   2/99

	This recipe came out very tender and delicate, without a strong
cabbage taste.  Actually, the leftovers made a very good soup.  I
confused them with a package of chopped onion in my freezer, dumped them
into some simmered stock made with beef bones, and kept cooking them. 
The delicate taste was lost, in with the soup, but it was still good;
better than other cabbage soups Iíve tried, as I really donít like
standard cabbage soup.  I think more people would be willing to eat
cabbage if we parboil it first, getting rid of the strong taste.  That
goes for all veggies in the same familyóbroccoli, brussels sprouts, kale,
etc.  Those are pretty bad when they are over-cooked. 

1000 Eggs, Vol II, pp32-33.				        Cindy
Renfrow,  M. Sincegifu
Harleian MS 279 - Potage Dyvers
	Rygth so Caboges.  Ben seruyd, saue men sayn it is gode Also to
ley hem in a bagge ouernygth in rennyng streme of watere, & a-morwe sette
vppe watere, & when the water is skaldyng hot, throw hem ther-on, & hoole
hem in there wyse be-forsayd, & serue forth.

146.  Cabbages in just the Same way, Are served, save men say it is good
Also to lay them in a bag overnight in running stream of water, & on the
morrow set up water, & when the water is scalding hot, throw them
thereon, & hull them in their manner aforesaid, & serve forth.

	My notes:  plain boiled cabbage seems to be called for, but is
unlikely due to the manner of preparation of other vegetables and
foodstuffs, plus the unlikeliness of putting in a book simple boiled
vegetables.  Not being a gardener, I have no idea how you ëhullí a
cabbage!  The previous recipe is for Blaunche Perreye, Harleian 145, and
after the peas are washed, and boiled in wine, the hulls are rubbed off,
then they are cooked additionally and served with salt.  Harleian 148 is
for white peas in gravy, Take White Peas, & hull them in the manner as
men do Cabbages, or white peas; then seethe them with Almond milk, put
thereto sugar enough, & fried Onion & Oil, and serve forth.

2 C. chopped washed cabbage		3. C. water
Parboil cabbage 10-15 min., drain.  Return to pot, add 
? C. white wine + 1 T. sugar	OR	almond milk + 2 T. sugar
? C. chopped onions, fried in olive oil
Simmer until tender but not overcooked.
	My Notes: Made a half recipe, using the ? C. wine version.  Can
reduce wine to º C.  Has a rich taste, possibly a combination of the
carmelized onions and the olive oil.  Need to be careful not to let the
onions cook too fast or too brown.  Best when salted.  I chose a wine
version, because that is often used instead of meat broth, a common
ingredient for cooking vegetables.  This is a keeper.
_________________________APdeT    2/99

	I was cruising through the English translation of Le Menagier,
and found this in the Odds and Ends section.  It sounds pretty good, kind
of like a vegetarian c.b. hash and poached eggs. 
	M. Christianna
Rique-Manger. Take two apples as big as two eggs or a little more and
peel them, and take out the seeds, then chop in small pieces, then
parboil in an iron skillet, then pour off the water, and let the
rique-manger dry: then add butter for frying, and while frying and
stirring, drip in two eggs; and when it is all cooked, throw on powdered
spices, and saffron, and eat with bread during September.
	This was from M. Christianna, from Meridies.  A good bit of
discussion on the list concerned what sort of apples and why eat them in
September.

Chyches. Take chiches and wrye hem in askes al nyght other al a day,
other lay hem in hoot aymers [hot embers]. At morowe waische hem in clene
water, and do hem ouere the fire with clene water.  Seeth hem up and do
therto oyle, garlec hole, safroun, powdour fort and salt; seeth it and
messe it forth.
Basically, roast them, wash them, boil with oil, garlic cloves, saffron,
salt, and strong spices, and serve.
Adamantius
____
1 can chick peas per table, 1 bulb garlic per table.  Simmer or bake
garlic until tender, press out of bulb skin.  Can be done day before. 
Mix with drained, rinsed chick peas, add 2 T. olive oil, several threads
saffron dissolved in T. hot water, 2 t. cinnamon,  1 t. ginger, ?
t.clove, ? t. grains per can chick peas.  Heat, stirring constantly,
until hot through.
Veg.     APdeT version.

Hazelnut Frumenty		Diversa Servicia 89.         Curye on
Inglysch Book II p. 79.
For to make formenty on a fichssday, tak the mylk of the hasel notis. 
Boyl the wite wyth the aftermelk til it be dryyd, & tak & coloure yt with
safroun; & the ferst mylk cast therto & boyle wel, & serue yt forth.

For to make frumenty on a fish day, take the milk of the hazelnut.  Boil
the wheat with the second running of the hazelnut milk until all liquid
is absorbed., color it with saffron, add the first running of the
hazelnut milk, boil well, and serve.

Use food processor and/or blender to make hazelnut milk with boiling
water, same as almond milk.  Strain, and make a second running with the
nut residue.  Use the second running as the liquid for the first boiling
of the wheat (or barley).  Cook until all liquid is absorbed.  Stir in
some saffron for color.  Add the first running of the hazelnut milk,
return to boil, simmer until tender.
For feast economy, might use both almond milk and hazelnut milk.  Top
with chopped, toasted hazelnuts to serve.

from Alia Atlas' Ein Guoter Speise

81. Ein birnmus (A pear puree)
     Wilt du machen ein birnmus. so nim birn und besnit die schoene. und
siude sie in einem hafen mit eyme wine. und mit smaltze und durchgeslagen
durch ein tuch und derwelle sie denne mit eyers totern. daz ist gar gantz
do.

     How you want to make a pear puree. So take pears and cut them fine.
And boil them in a pot with a wine and with fat and pound through a cloth
and, he who wants, then with egg yolks. That is very thorough to do. 

Peel and core pears, chop.  Add enough sweet wine to just cover, add
butter.  Cook until applesauce consistency.  Thicken with beaten egg
yolks.  Spice with saffron and honey, try with a bit of ginger or true
cinnamon.  Serve in bowls.          Also, do one with plums and pears
mixed, not as a sauce but in pieces.                                APdeT

                              10. Ein spise von birn (A food of pears)
     Nim gebratene birn und sure epfele und hacke sie kleine. und tu dar
zu pfeffer und enis und ro eyer. znit zwo d¸nne schiben von d¸nne brote.
f¸lle diz da zwischen niht vollen eines vingers dicke. mache ein d¸nnez
blat von eyern und kere daz einez dor inne umm, und backez mit butern in
einer phannen biz daz ez rot werde und gibz hin.

     Take roasted pears and tart apples and chop them small. And add
thereto pepper and anise and raw eggs. Cut two thin slices from thin
bread. Fill this in between not too full, of a finger's thickness. Make a
thin leaf of eggs and turn that therein about and bake it with butter in
a pan until it becomes red and give out. 

Roast or bake pears, not too soft.  Peel and core pears.  Mince the
cooked pear with peeled and cored tart apples.  Add ginger and anise, and
enough beaten raw egg to hold the fruit together.  Remove crusts of thin
slices of soft, white bread.  Place some filling on one piece of bread,
cover with another, press edges to seal.  Dip in some batter of beaten
egg, milk and flour.  Fry in butter on both sides until nicely browned. 
Serve hot.                      APdeT

Regards,
Allison,     allilyn at juno.com


Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 23:54:57 EDT
From: allilyn at juno.com
Subject: Re: SC - an interesting challenge...and its even about  medieval food! :)

Sure, some recipes I can sub in good veggie broth for the
mutton/meat/chicken broth the original recipe calls for, but some of them
are obviously meant to be meat dishes, ie rys of flessche?

Right, but read the bit in Chiquart--from Cariadoc's site--where he talks
about the substitutions the physicians call for, or eliminate.  He is one
cook who is prepared to make vegetarian or vegan food [doesn't call it
that, of course] out of regular mixtures for fasts or illness.

snips from my article:
 Mistress Elizabeth’s copy can be found on the Internet, at
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/miscellany.html.

	Chiquart gives us our documentation for important personages who
do not eat meat:
"And as at such a feast there could be some very high, puissant, noble,
venerable and honorable lords and ladies who do not eat meat, for these
there must be fish, marine and fresh-water, fresh and salt, in such
manner as one can get them."

	Of course, he substitutes fish, but he also has a number of
vegetable dishes that can be eaten by ovo-lacto vegetarians, or those who
eat eggs and cheese and other milk products.  There are some recipes in
his work and in other cookery books which are, or could be, made totally
vegetarian.

From Chiquart
[Latin] Note: for the sick.
And first a restorative, a recise, an almond butter, a green purÈe of
spinach, quinces in pastry, a couleys, pears cooked without touching
coals or water, a plumeus of apples, oatmeal, chickpeas, semolina,
barley.

And then there are the Cathars....you can make it medieval, of course,
but we have to burn you all at the stake when dinner is over.  

Allison,     allilyn at juno.com


Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:52:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Robin Carroll-Mann <rcmann4 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Period or no?
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

-----Original Message-----
From: Maggie MacDonald <maggie5 at cox.net>

Theres always a nice barley pottage, with whatever root veggies you 
want to add. Enrich it with onion soup, garlic broth, or whatever.

-------------------------------

I just tried one of the recipes in Henry Marks' book on Byzantine 
cooking.  Most of them are conjectural, since they are based on 
descriptions of food, and monastery menus, but this one is pretty 
straight forward.

To paraphrase, the original description says to cook lentils in water 
with barley, leeks, dill, oil, and vinegar; and if you desire, savory 
or pennyroyal.  (As pennyroyal can be unsafe, Marks substitutes mint, 
which is in the same family.)  Use less barley than lentils, so they 
don't absorb all the liquid.

I used
1 cup lentils
1/2 cup barley
1 cup finely chopped leeks (white part only) = 2-3 leeks
1/4 cup chopped fresh dill
3 TBS olive oil
2 TBS white wine vinegar
1/4 tsp ground savory

Cook the lentils with the leeks in 5 cups of water until the lentils 
are tender.  Meanwhile, cook the barley separately, according to 
package directions.  In the last half hour of the lentils cooking, add 
the other ingredients, EXCEPT for the barley.  When the lentils are 
done, add the barley, and cook for another 10 minutes.  Salt to taste.

This was very, very good, and much more flavorful than I would have 
expected from a meatless lentil dish.  A mundane vegetarian co-worker 
liked it very much.  It improves with age.

Lady Brighid ni Chiarain
Barony of Settmour Swamp, East Kingdom
rcmann4 at earthlink.net


Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:23:52 EST
From: Bronwynmgn at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] soup recipe?
To: sca-cooks at anstorra.org

mysticgypsy1008 at yahoo.com writes:
<<I remember it was root type veggies in a veggie  broth>>

Possibly Rapes in Pottage, which is onions, and turnips, carrots, or
skirrits (sort of a water turnip, very hard to find) in "good broth", which many
people make as a vegetarian dish by using veggie broth.  I made it once with
chicken broth and it was even better :-)

Here's my version using veggie broth:

RAPES IN POTAGE
from Curye on Inglysch, English, 14th century
as  redacted by Duke Cariadoc of the Bow
and adapted by Lady Brangwayna Morgan

Takes rapus and make heem clene, and waissh hem clee;  quarter hem;
perboile hem, take hem vp.  Cast hem in a gode broth and seethe hem; mynce  oynouns and cast therto safroun and salt, and messe it forth with powdour   douce.  In the self wise make of pastunakes and skyrwittes.

1 lb turnips, carrots, and parsnips mixed       
6 threads  saffron

powder douce: 
2 t sugar
2 cups  vegetable broth  
3/4 t  salt
3/8 t cinnamon
1/2 lb  onions
3/8 t ginger

Wash, peel, and qurter turnips (or cut into eighths if they are large),
cover with boiling water and parboil for 15 minutes.  Clean carrots and parsnips
and cut them up into large bite-size pieces and parboil 10  minutes.  Mince
onions.  Drain veggies and put them with onions and vegetable broth in a pot
and bring to a boil.  Crush saffron into about 1t of the broth and add
seasonings to potage.  Cook another 15-20 minutes, until vegetables are soft to a fork and some of the liquid is boiled  down.

Brangwayn


Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:27:01 -0500
From: "RUTH EARLAND" <rtannahill at verizon.net>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Re: cheese for a feast
To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

When it comes to feast planning, I'm a cheapskate.

I only allow an ounce of cheese per person. If you trim it and slice  
it, an ounce of cheese can look like a fair amount.

About the only time I allow 2 ounces per person is if it's the vegetarian alternative to a meat course. Background on this: I don't like to leave the vegetarians out. I don't think it's fair that they pay the same feast fee as everyone else, but don't eat the most expensive part. So, lately, I've been offering tasty vegetarian alternatives to the meat dishes on a side table.

It's been working out fairly well. Last feast, the vegetarians were
delighted.

Berelinde


Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:32:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elyse Boucher <elyseboucher at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] cooking sweets for vegans and others
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org

Greetings from the humble scribe, Merouda Pendray, briefly delurking

My specialty is Lenten cookery and modifying non-Lenten dishes to "SCA compatible for Vegans and Piscetarians." I generally do this primarily for myself as a result of my own dietary restrictions, because there are few Event Stewards looking to produce an all Lenten feast, and so my repertoire of sweets is minimal--I prefer savory. However, I would like to make a couple of suggestions.

Almond milk is, of course, the standard milk in period Lenten cookery, but you can also obtain commercially made rice milk. This is a reasonable substitute for individuals with dietary restrictions looking to produce something period like, and even here, in America's Dairyland, most chain grocers carry it. It's also pretty easy to make at home, but it's more work. ;-). Oat Milk, Hazelnut milk, are also commercially available, although you might have to make a trip to a co-op/health food/organic/whole food-type store. These are also reasonable subs. Here in Wisconsin, these milks are at the more specialty types of stores and in the better stocked regular grocers. And, of course, there is always soy milk, which is ubiquitous, and hemp milk, which will more usually be found in the co-op clan. The use of one of these milks will make several cream-type of sweets available to you.

Various sorts of cooked fruits and pies will be, as pointed out, about the easiest thing for you to do, and my favorite is a prune compote based on a receipt in Sabina Welserin, #70, A tart of plums. It is unbelievably simple: Dried plums (prunes) seethed in wine until they can be mashed, then add sugar and cinnamon, and thickened with quick oats that I ground in a mortar to substitute for the eggs called for in the receipt. I use a red wine or a red sangria when I make it. It is wonderful spooned right from a dish, and if you make a little almond cheese with it... well, nom nom nom. It's also a fabulous tart, and it's really not hard to make an oil based pastry with rice & oat flour, if you would like to try that. Mixing and rolling it takes 15 minutes, tops.

Another favorite is Apples Royale/Apple Muse/Appulmoy, also fabulous straight from the bowl, and also made with ingredients you can find in any grocery store--use a white wine for this. (This is like an extra good apple sauce).

You can also just bake fresh fruits with appropriate spices without the tart shell, or sweetened, spiced rice served warm and drizzled with honey. Those are also easy, period, vegan and wheatless. If you need reference recipes for any of this, let me know, but the recipe search on Medieval Cookery should turn up something for you.

I could go on at length about this kind of restrictive cookery and the challenges of creating something period or period-like, but I'll spare you. ;-) 

Merouda, returning to lurk. 

Modern: Elyse C. Boucher, West Allis, WI
SCA: Merouda Pendray, Caer Anterth Mawr, Northshield


Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:56:02 -0400
From: Elaine Koogler <kiridono at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Period substitute for tomatoes?
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Instead of looking for something to substitute in a modern recipe to follow
period constraints, why not look at actual period recipes?  If you go
to http://www.medievalcookery.com/etexts.html

you will find numerous period Middle Eastern cookbooks in translation,
including the "Anonymous Andalusian Cookbook" which is from southern Spain.
Here are some recipes I've used in the past.  They are all vegetarian and
gluten free:

*Badinjan Muhassa  (mezze)*

*5/8 pound eggplant*
*3/4 cup walnuts*
*1 5/8 T vinegar (for nut dough)*
*3/8 t salt (for nut dough)*
*1/8 t pepper and salt*
*3/4 t caraway seed*
*1 1/4 T vinegar (at the end)*
*1/4 cup chopped raw onion*

*1*.     Simmer the eggplant 20 to 30 minutes in salted water (1/2 t salt in
a pint of water).

*2*.     Let it cool. Peel it. Slice it and let the slices sit on a colander
or a cloth for an hour or so, to let out the bitter juice.

*3*.     Grind the walnuts, add vinegar and salt to make a dough.

*4*.     Make patties about 1/2" thick and put them on a frying pan at
medium to medium high heat, without oil. In about half a minute, when the
bottom side has browned a little, turn the patty over and use your pancake
turner to squash it down to about 1/4" (the cooked side is less likely to
stick to your implement than the uncooked side).

*5*.     Continue cooking, turning whenever the patty seems about to scorch.
When you are done, the surface of the patty will be crisp, brown to
black-and since it is thin, the patty is mostly surface. If the patties
start giving up lots of walnut oil (it is obvious-they will quickly be
swimming in the stuff) the pan is too hot; throw them out, turn down the
heat and make some more.

*6*.     Chop up the eggplant, mix in the nut patties (they will break up in
the process), add pepper, salt, caraway (ground in a spice grinder or mortar
and pestle), and vinegar. Top with onion. Eat by itself or on bread.

*Servings*: 8

*Notes*: Cook eggplants until soft by baking, boiling or grilling over the
fire, leaving them whole. When they are cool, remove the loose skin, drain
the bitter liquor and chop the flesh fine. It should be coarser than a true
pur?e. Grind walnuts fine and make into a dough with vinegar and salt. Form
into a patty and fry on both sides until the taste of raw walnut is gone;
the vinegar is to delay scorching of the nuts. Mix the cooked walnuts into
the chopped eggplant and season to taste with vinegar and ground caraway
seed, salt and pepper. Serve with a topping of chopped raw or fried onion.

FOR FEAST:  entire dish can be made at pre-cook

*Source*: Ibn al-Mahdi's cookbook in 10th c. collection, Charles Perry tr.

*Copyright*: Cariadoc's Miscellany. The Miscellany is Copyright (c) by David
Friedman and Elizabeth Cook, 1988, 1990, 1992.


*Muzawwara (feast)*

*1 pkg (1#) lentils*
*5 cups water*
*1/4 cup cider vinegar*
*3/4 t ground coriander*
*3/4 t cumin*
*1 1/2 t cinnamon*
*6 threads saffron*
*1/4 cup oil*
*1 t salt*

one of the following:

*1 1/2 pounds butternut squash*
*1 pound chard or beet leaves*
*1 pound lettuce*
*2 8" cucumbers*

*1*.     Boil lentils about 40 minutes until they start to get mushy.

*2*.     Add spices and vinegar and oil.

*3*.     Add one of the vegetables; leafy vegetables should be torn up,
squash or cucumbers are cut into bite-sized pieces and cooked about 10-15
minutes before being added to lentils.

*4*.     Cook lettuce or chard version for about 10 minutes, until leaves
are soft. Cook squash or cucumber version about 20 minutes. Be careful not
to burn during the final cooking.

*Servings*: 6

*Notes*: Take boiled peeled lentils and wash in hot water several times; put
in the pot and add water without covering them; cook and then throw in
pieces of gourd, or the stems [ribs] of Swiss chard, or of lettuce and its
tender sprigs, or the flesh of cucumber or melon, and vinegar, coriander
seed, a little cumin, Chinese cinnamon, saffron and two ?qiyas of fresh oil;
balance with a little salt and cook. Taste, and if its flavor is pleasingly
balanced between sweet and sour, [good;] and if not, reinforce until it is
equalized, according to taste, and leave it to lose its heat until it is
cold and then serve.

THOUGHTS ABOUT COOKING FOR FEAST:  Cook lentils with water vinger and
seasonings at pre-cook.  Day of--prepare veggies, bring lentils to serving
temp, and complete cooking with veggies.

*Source*: Andalusian p. A-52

*Copyright*: Cariadoc's Miscellany. The Miscellany is Copyright (c) by David
Friedman and Elizabeth Cook, 1988, 1990, 1992.


and, finally, a recipe for a type of Biryani that is period:


*Lazizan (Vegetable Biryani)*
Redacted by the Madrone Culinary Guild (An Tir)

    1/4  pound  lentils -- soaked for 2 hours
    1/8  pound  onions -- minced
 1       15-oz can  Garbanzo beans -- rinsed and drained
   1/16 quart  water -- boiling
    1/8  cup  ghee
    1/4  tablespoon  garam masala
    1/8  tablespoon  salt
    1/4  tablespoon  fresh ginger
    1/4  pound  Basmati rice   (8 cups)
    1/8  pound  chopped pistachio nuts or almonds
    1/8  cup  raisin
    1/4  tablespoon  garam masala
   1/16 cup  ghee

In a large pot, fry onions in 2 T. ghee till golden. (10 - 15 min. over med.
heat)

Add garam masala, salt and fresh ginger, stir well. Add rice and saute 3 - 5
minutes till golden  Carefully add the boiling water  Let rice boil 3 - 5
minutes, then add drained dal.

Let cook for 25 minutes total.

While rice is cooking, fry nuts and raisins and 1 tsp garam masala in 1 tbsp
ghee till almonds are golden.  Add chickpeas, stir for a minute or two, then
add mixture to rice pot.  Check liquid levels in rice as well as rice
texture.  Add liquid if needed.  Cook uncovered for a little while if too
wet.

Source:

 ""A Dinner from Moghul India"--Madrone Culinary Guild--taken from similar
examples in Ain-I-Akbari by Abu al-Fazl ibn Mubarak.  A 16th c. Mughal
cookbook"

NOTES : Akbar's son Jahangir was particularly fond of a dish called Lazizan,
a khichri of rice cooked with pulses, spices and nuts. This made an
excellent vegetarian alternative to Meat Biriyani.  Although there is no
original recipe, the above description made an excellent starting point.


I hope that you find these useful.  And they are different from the usual
modern Middle Eastern foods.  Good luck!

Kiri


Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:58:06 -0400
From: Sharon Palmer <ranvaig at columbus.rr.com>
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Can I...

<<< Can I remove the meat from a recipe to make it vegan friendly?
I have an event where I'm head cook & wanted to know as there are 
vegans & vegetarians...
please advise.
thanks,
Lady Marie d'Andelys >>>

It depends on the recipe.  Attempting to make a vegan main dish out 
of a meat recipe is usually not very successful. Personally I don't 
like trying to use modern ingredients like tofu or textured soy 
protein in medieval cooking.  If it is small amount of meat or meat 
broth used for flavoring in a dish that is primarily plant based you 
should be able to remove it, but it may change the dish.  Make sure 
you test your adapted recipes before the feast.

It's very nice to have a varied menu that allows for everyone to 
choose the foods they prefer, but you don't have to customize the 
menu to people's diets and preferences **unless you want to**.

Speaking as a vegetarian, post a menu with all ingredients, and 
people can be adult and decide for themselves if they can eat your 
feast or need to make other arrangements.  If you choose to cater 
everyone's needs, it doesn't meant they have to be able to eat every 
single dish.  Think about what is left on the menu if someone cant 
eat any one ingredient or class of ingredient. That goes for 
vegetarians, vegans, celiacs, various allergies, and people that 
don't like onions.

There are a number of period vegetarian recipes, but vegan is harder. 
You might look at Lent recipes. If you have a couple of nice 
vegan-friendly grain or vegetable dishes, maybe a bean or lentil 
dish, don't feel you have to have a vegan version of every meat dish.

Ranvaig


Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:44:28 -0700
From: Ursula Georges <ursula at tutelaries.net>
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Vegetarian recipe

On 6/14/2010 12:12 PM, Drucilla Meany-Herbert wrote:
<<< I will be making meat pies for a household dinner, does anyone have
recipes for vegetarian or vegan pies that they like? Tasty and simple
without costly or unusual ingredients? The pies will be small and
crescent shaped. Period authentic is not a must. >>>

Check out my Andalusian feta pies redaction here:

http://ursula.dreamwidth.org/130295.html

You might want to up the quantity of filling, or add a milder cheese 
like ricotta or farmer's cheese to bulk the pies up, if you're using a 
more substantial crust.

The Lebanese Spinach Triangle recipe which I stole the dough proportions 
from also looks good, albeit modern, and would be vegan if you used an 
olive-oil based crust:

http://www.pilotguides.com/tv_shows/planet_food/food_guides/lebanon/spinach_triangles.php

I have taught a "medieval food for vegetarians" class in the past; the 
handout is available upon request.

Ursula Georges.


Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:24:54 -0700
From: David Friedman <ddfr at daviddfriedman.com>
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Vegetarian recipe

<<< I wasn't the originator of this question, but can I put my hand up 
and say 'me too!"  It is always a bit of a problem trying to find a 
period alternative for vegetarians. >>>

Lots of lenten recipes and lenten variants offered for recipes. There 
are period Islamic recipes that are "fake meat"--"A Counterfeit 
Isfiriya of Garbanzos," for example.

Running through the Miscellany, there are Armored Turnips, Fried 
Gourd, Perre, Lang Wortes de Pesone, On Preparing Carrots and 
Parsnips, Makke, Fried Broad Beans, ...  and that's just from the 
first few pages of recipes.

So far as pies are concerned ... . If you are willing to use cheese, 
Tart on Ember Day is yummy. Spinach Tart is good. Le Menagier has 
Mushroom Pastries.

All in the Miscellany: 
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Medieval/miscellany_pdf/Miscellany.htm
-- 
David/Cariadoc
www.daviddfriedman.com


Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:50:02 -0700
From: lilinah at earthlink.net
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Vegetarian recipe

Myrrim wrote:
<<< I wasn't the originator of this question, but can I put my hand up and say
'me too!"  It is always a bit of a problem trying to find a period
alternative for vegetarians. >>>

Odd. It always seems easy to me...

I have cooked quite a few European feasts in which everything was 
vegetarian except the meat dishes, because we have a number of 
vegetarians around here. The one change i made was when a meat broth 
to cook vegetables, i used a rich vegetable broth instead.

And while there are not a lot of vegetarian recipes in the Muslim 
corpus (most vegetables are either cooked with meat or served with 
meatballs), it is easy to adapt them, too.

A meat dish or two in each course for the omnivores, and vegetable 
and/or fruit dishes prepared without meat so the vegetarians can eat 
them, and a grain dish should suffice.

Here are 2 of the 4 courses from my very first feast. Everything but 
the meats (and the limonada, which is based on chicken soup) is 
vegetarian.

* First Course *
Mild Italian Pork Sausages (meat)
Chyckens in Gravey (meat)
Limonada (Lemon Sauce) (meat)
Rice with Almond Milk (vegetarian)
Cabbage with Fennel and Apples (vegetarian)
Funges (Spiced Mushrooms) (vegetarian)
Crustade Lumbarde (Custard Pie with Dried Fruit) (vegetarian)

* Second Course *
Roast Pork Loin (meat)
Apple Juice Sauce (vegetarian)
Horseradish-Honey Sauce (vegetarian)
Garlic Sauce with Walnuts and Almonds (vegetarian)
Frumenty (Cooked Wheat) (vegetarian)
Sallat (Salad of Mixed Greens and Herbs) (vegetarian)
Turnips in Mustard Sauce (vegetarian)
Baked Buttered Onions and Apples (vegetarian)

Total:
4 meat dishes
11 vegetarian dishes (sauces are good on grains or sopped up with bread)

This was not my best designed feast, although the food was all 
delicious, if i do say so myself, because the dishes were from about 
4 different centuries and 3 different countries. I had only been in 
the SCA 1.5 years and had only ever attended one feast. After my 
first feast, barring special requests from the autocrat or important 
guests, i have kept each of my feasts to pretty much one country and 
one century.

I have made English, French, German, Spanish, Italian, Greco-Roman, 
and several different kinds of Middle Eastern dishes, and i have 
never had trouble feeding vegetarians.

I was a vegetarian in the late 1960s/early 1970s and still don't eat 
meat often, and my adult daughter has been a vegetarian since she was 
12.

My feasts and recipes are on my website:
http://home.earthlink.net/~al-tabbakhah/

If you would like to ask questions, about them or finding/choosing 
recipes, i am happy to help.
-- 
Urtatim [that's err-tah-TEEM]
the persona formerly known as Anahita

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