rec-tim-pray-msg - 6/18/09
਀ഊPeriod recipes using prayers for timing.
਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: rec-in-verse-msg, clocks-msg, Sandglass-art, Watches-art, religion-msg, cookbooks-bib, Redacting-art, redacting-msg, poetry-msg.
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਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ
਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ
਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous
਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************
਀ഊDate: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:11:30 -0400
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䨀愀洀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 嘀愀礀氀攀∀ 㰀樀愀洀攀猀漀昀琀栀攀瘀愀礀氀攀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Prayers for recipe timing
਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀伀渀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 䨀甀渀 㔀Ⰰ ㈀　　㠀 愀琀 㜀㨀㄀㄀ 䄀䴀Ⰰ 匀愀椀渀琀 倀栀氀椀瀀 㰀瀀栀氀椀瀀 愀琀 㤀㤀洀愀椀渀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<<< Could anyone who happens to know which recipes direct me to the
਀爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 甀猀攀搀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 瀀爀愀礀攀爀猀 昀漀爀 琀椀洀椀渀最㼀 吀栀攀爀攀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀ഊsimilar usage going on in period smithing, and we'd like to look into
਀椀琀 洀漀爀攀⸀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 漀渀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䰀椀戀爀攀 搀攀氀 䌀漀挀栀ഊ*
਀ഊ130. Meat or Fish PASTRY
਀⨀ഊ
਀䔀䴀倀䄀一䄀䐀䄀 䐀䔀 䌀䄀刀一䔀 伀 䐀䔀 倀䔀匀䌀䄀䐀伀ഊ
਀儀甀漀琀攀㨀ഊ
਀䄀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 爀攀琀甀爀渀 椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀瘀攀渀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 漀昀 愀 倀愀琀攀爀渀漀猀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 愀渀 䄀瘀攀ഊMaria.
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਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 㔀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀　㨀　㜀㨀㔀㄀ ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: David Walddon <david at vastrepast.com>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 倀爀愀礀攀爀猀 昀漀爀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 琀椀洀椀渀最ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
਀ഊIn The Epulario (English 1598 translation of early 1500's Italian  
਀䔀瀀甀氀愀爀椀漀 戀愀猀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䴀愀爀琀椀渀漀 䌀漀爀瀀甀猀⤀ 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 甀猀椀渀最 愀  ഊprayer for timing. "Let them not boil above the space of three Pater nosters".
਀䔀渀琀爀礀 ⌀ 㔀　⤀ 吀漀 洀愀欀攀 愀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 洀愀搀攀 洀攀愀琀 椀渀 昀氀攀猀栀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀  ഊbelow.
਀ഊIt is not included in the same recipe in De Honesta (Bk VII, entry 50  
਀䴀攀愀琀 䈀愀氀氀猀⤀⸀ 倀氀愀琀椀渀愀 樀甀猀琀 猀愀礀猀 ∀琀栀攀礀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最∀⸀ഊ
਀䄀氀猀漀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 ⌀㈀㔀㄀ ∀吀漀 猀攀攀琀栀 攀最最猀∀ ⠀愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀 戀攀氀漀眀⤀ 愀氀猀漀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀猀  ഊprayer instructions. "And make it boil a Pater noster while".
਀ഊAgain this is not included in the De Honesta version of the recipe  
਀⠀䈀欀 䤀堀 攀渀琀爀礀Ⰰ ㌀㈀ 䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀⤀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 愀洀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀  ഊLCMartino it is included.
਀ഊThose are the only two references in the Epulario.
਀ഊI do not have the other source materials handy to check. The seven  
਀猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 䤀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 挀栀攀挀欀 愀渀搀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 眀栀攀渀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 愀 䴀愀爀琀椀渀漀 䌀漀爀瀀甀猀  ഊrecipe are 1) Martino, MS Library of Congress (LCMartino) 2) Martino,  
਀䴀匀 嘀愀琀椀挀愀渀 ⠀嘀愀琀䴀愀爀琀椀渀漀⤀ ㌀⤀ 䴀愀爀琀椀渀漀Ⰰ 刀椀瘀愀 搀攀氀 䜀愀爀搀愀 ⠀刀椀瘀愀⤀ 㐀⤀ 倀氀愀琀椀渀愀Ⰰ  ഊDe Honesta Voluptate (Platina?tr..Milham) 5) Martino B?hler 19  
਀⠀䈀㼀栀氀攀爀⤀ 㘀⤀ 刀漀猀猀攀氀氀椀Ⰰ 䔀瀀甀氀愀爀椀漀 ⠀刀漀猀猀攀氀氀椀⤀ 㜀⤀䔀瀀甀氀愀爀椀漀 ⠀䔀倀㄀㔀㤀㠀⤀⸀ 䤀一漀琀攀  ഊthat the Buhler manuscript is the one referred to on this list as  
਀∀吀栀攀 一攀愀瀀漀氀椀琀愀渀 䌀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀∀⸀ഊ
਀䔀搀甀愀爀搀漀ഊ50) To make a kind of made meat in flesh time.
਀ഊ      Take a pound of old cheese, and a little new cheese, and a
਀瀀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀攀氀氀礀 漀爀 瀀愀甀渀挀栀 漀昀 愀 昀愀琀 䠀漀最Ⰰ 漀爀 愀 䌀漀眀攀猀 唀搀搀攀爀ഊsod, then take good hearbes well beaten, Pepper, Cloves, and
਀䜀椀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 愀搀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀爀攀琀漀 琀栀攀 昀氀攀猀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀爀攀愀猀琀 漀昀 愀 䌀愀瀀漀渀 眀攀氀ഊbeaten, and all these thinges being well tempered and mixed
਀琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 洀愀欀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 瀀愀猀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 氀愀礀 愀氀氀 琀栀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀猀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀愀欀攀ഊmake them no bigger than halfe a Chestnut, then fry them in
਀䌀愀瀀漀渀猀 最爀攀愀猀攀 漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀 昀愀琀 戀爀漀琀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀㼀 礀攀氀氀漀眀 眀椀琀栀ഊSaffron, let them not boile above the space of three Pater
਀渀漀猀琀攀爀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 搀椀猀栀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀琀爀愀眀 琀栀攀洀 漀瘀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 最爀愀琀攀搀ഊCheese, mixed with other spices. The like may bee made of
਀䘀攀椀猀愀渀琀猀Ⰰ 倀愀爀琀爀椀搀最攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 䘀漀眀氀攀⸀ഊ
਀㈀㔀㄀⤀ 吀漀 猀攀攀琀栀 䔀最最攀猀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 猀栀攀氀氀⸀ഊ
਀      倀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 挀漀氀搀 眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀愀欀攀 椀琀 戀漀礀氀攀 愀 倀愀琀攀爀 渀漀猀琀攀爀ഊwhile, and then take them out.
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਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 圀愀氀搀搀漀渀ഊdavid at vastrepast.com
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਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 㔀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㤀㨀　㈀㨀㐀㈀ ⬀　　　　 ⠀䜀䴀吀⤀ഊFrom: emilio szabo <emilio_szabo at yahoo.it>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 倀爀愀礀攀爀猀 昀漀爀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 琀椀洀椀渀最ഊTo: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
਀ഊHere are some findings from various culinary texts. Most of them are online somewhere.
਀ഊIn order to find the relevant places, just search for "pater". 
਀ഊThis if from the 'Ouverture'
਀ഊPour faire past?s de caracolle.
਀倀爀攀渀渀㼀猀 氀攀猀 挀愀爀愀挀漀氀攀猀 焀甀椀 猀漀椀攀渀琀 戀椀攀渀ഊcuites & nettoyees comme il appartient, &
਀氀攀猀 挀漀甀瀀瀀㼀猀 最爀漀猀猀攀洀攀渀琀 愀甀攀挀 瘀渀 挀漀甀琀攀愀甀Ⰰഊ& mett?s muscade, poiure, beurre,
਀愀礀愀渀琀 攀猀琀㼀 搀攀洀椀攀 栀攀甀爀攀 搀愀渀猀 氀攀 昀漀甀爀ഊprenn?s quatre iaulnes d'oeuf debattus
਀愀甀攀挀 瘀渀 瀀攀甀 搀攀 瘀椀渀 搀✀䔀猀瀀愀椀最渀攀Ⰰ 琀椀爀㼀猀 氀攀ഊpaste hors du four, & iett?s la saulse
਀搀愀渀猀 氀攀 瀀愀猀琀㼀Ⰰ ☀ 氀攀 氀愀椀猀猀㼀猀 攀渀挀漀爀 瘀渀攀ഊpater noster dedans le four, & non plus.
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਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 昀爀漀洀 䴀愀攀猀琀爀漀 䴀愀爀琀椀渀漀Ⰰ 刀椀瘀愀 搀攀氀 䜀愀爀搀愀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀㨀ഊ
਀㐀㌀⸀ 倀攀爀 昀愀爀攀 漀最渀椀 猀愀瀀漀爀攀 搀攀 戀爀漀搀攀琀琀漀 戀漀渀漀 攀琀 戀攀氀氀漀 稀漀攀 洀攀渀攀猀琀爀攀 瀀漀 瀀椀最氀椀愀ഊtre rossi de ova per menestra et bono agresto et bon brodo di carne o de
਀挀愀瀀漀渀攀 攀 猀攀 猀愀爀㼀 愀猀愀礀 洀攀最氀椀漀 甀渀漀 瀀漀挀栀漀 搀攀 猀愀昀爀愀渀漀 挀漀渀 甀渀漀 瀀漀挀栀漀 搀攀 猀瀀攀ⴀഊzie dolze mescolato ogni cossa insema et passa per la stamegna in una pi-
਀最渀愀琀愀 猀漀瀀爀愀 氀愀 戀爀愀砀愀 氀甀渀最攀 搀愀氀 昀漀挀栀漀 洀攀渀愀渀搀漀 猀攀洀瀀爀攀 攀 挀漀洀攀 琀甀 瘀攀搀椀 挀栀攀氀ഊcugiale se incomenza ad imbratarse non cessando di menare tanto che se
਀搀椀挀攀猀猀攀 搀甀礀 瀀愀琀攀爀渀漀猀琀攀爀 攀琀 搀愀瀀漀礀 昀愀 氀攀 洀攀渀攀猀琀爀攀 攀琀 洀攀琀琀攀氀氀攀 搀椀 猀漀瀀爀愀 甀渀漀ഊpocho di spezie dolze fazendolli dolze o brusche secondo lo comune
਀最甀猀琀漀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䰀椀戀爀漀ⴀ搀攀ⴀ最甀椀猀愀搀漀猀ⴀ琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀㨀ഊ
਀㐀㈀⸀ 䄀䰀䴀伀䐀刀伀吀䔀 ⠀㌀㄀⤀ 圀䠀䤀䌀䠀 䤀匀 䌀䄀倀䤀刀伀吀䄀䐀䄀 ⠀㌀㈀⤀ഊALMODROTE QUE ES CAPIROTADA
਀夀漀甀 猀栀愀氀氀 琀愀欀攀 瀀愀爀琀爀椀搀最攀猀 愀渀搀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀ഊbeen well-plucked, put them between the embers; and when they have been
਀琀栀攀爀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 漀昀 愀 倀愀琀攀爀渀漀猀琀攀爀 ⠀㌀㌀⤀Ⰰ 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀洀 漀甀琀 愀渀搀 挀氀攀愀渀ഊeverything off them, and roast them, and baste them sufficiently with
਀礀漀甀爀 戀愀挀漀渀 昀愀琀㬀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 爀漀愀猀琀攀搀Ⰰ 挀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 愀猀 椀昀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀ഊportions of them, and then grate good cheese of Aragon that is fine;
਀愀渀搀 琀愀欀攀 琀眀漀 眀栀漀氀攀 栀攀愀搀猀 漀昀 最愀爀氀椀挀 爀漀愀猀琀攀搀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 攀洀戀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀ഊpeel them very well and cleanly, and grind them in a mortar; and then
਀瀀甀琀 琀栀攀 挀栀攀攀猀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀漀爀琀愀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀攀猀甀洀攀 最爀椀渀搀椀渀最 椀琀 愀氀氀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀㬀 愀渀搀ഊwhile you are grinding them, cast a good spoonful of lard into the
਀洀漀爀琀愀爀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 猀漀洀攀 攀最最 礀漀氀欀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 最爀椀渀搀 椀琀 愀氀氀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀㬀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 椀琀 椀猀ഊall well-ground, blend it with good mutton broth that is half cooled,
਀戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 椀昀 椀琀 眀攀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 栀漀琀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 挀漀渀猀甀洀攀 琀栀攀 挀栀攀攀猀攀㬀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 洀愀欀攀ഊslices of bread and toast them, and scrape off the burnt parts, and
਀琀栀攀渀 猀挀愀氀搀 漀爀 猀漀愀欀 琀栀攀猀攀 琀漀愀猀琀攀搀 猀氀椀挀攀猀 漀昀 戀爀攀愀搀 眀椀琀栀 最漀漀搀 洀甀琀琀漀渀 戀爀漀琀栀ഊin an earthenware bowl or a deep plate; and then take them out and put
਀琀栀攀洀 漀渀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 瀀氀愀琀攀Ⰰ 愀氀氀 愀爀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 洀愀渀渀攀爀㨀 愀 氀愀礀攀爀 漀昀 戀爀攀愀搀ഊslices, and another of partridges, and in this manner fill up the plate
਀眀椀琀栀 愀 瀀氀愀琀昀漀爀洀 漀昀 戀爀攀愀搀 猀氀椀挀攀猀 愀渀搀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 漀昀 瀀愀爀琀爀椀搀最攀猀㬀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀ഊplate is full, cast the almodrote on top of it all and then take melted lard and scatter it over the plate.
਀ഊNote 33 by Robin Carroll-Mann: 33) Pater noster, the opening words of the
਀䰀漀爀搀㼀猀 倀爀愀礀攀爀 椀渀 䰀愀琀椀渀⸀ 吀栀攀 瀀愀琀爀椀搀最攀猀 愀爀攀 琀漀 戀攀 瀀氀愀挀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀愀氀猀 昀漀爀ഊthe short time that it takes to recite this prayer. Similar
਀椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 椀渀 漀琀栀攀爀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 愀渀搀 刀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀猀⸀ 匀攀攀ഊalso recipes 48 and 130.
਀ഊThese are from the Cuoco Neapolitano:
਀ഊ[13.]Brodeto bello 
਀倀攀爀 昀愀爀渀攀 ⸀砀⸀ 洀攀渀攀猀琀爀攀Ⰰ 瀀椀最氀椀愀 琀爀攀 爀漀猀猀椀 搀✀漀瘀愀 瀀攀爀 洀攀渀攀猀琀爀愀Ⰰ 栀攀 戀漀渀漀 愀最爀攀猀琀漀Ⰰ 嬀昀漀开㘀爀崀 戀漀渀漀 戀爀漀搀漀 搀攀 挀愀爀渀攀Ⰰ 栀攀 甀渀漀 瀀漀挀栀漀 搀攀 稀愀昀昀爀愀渀漀 栀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀攀 昀椀渀攀㬀 栀攀 洀椀猀挀攀氀愀 漀最渀椀 挀漀猀愀 椀渀猀攀洀攀 栀攀 瀀愀猀猀愀氀攀 瀀攀爀 氀愀 猀琀愀洀攀最渀愀Ⰰ 栀攀 洀椀琀琀攀氀漀 椀渀 甀渀愀 瀀椀最渀愀琀愀 猀漀瀀爀愀 氀攀 戀爀愀砀攀Ⰰ 洀攀渀愀渀搀漀 挀漀渀琀椀渀甀愀洀攀渀琀攀 昀椀渀愀 琀愀渀琀漀 挀栀✀攀氀 挀甀最栀椀愀爀漀 猀攀 椀洀戀爀愀挀愀㬀 栀攀 挀甀猀椀 氀攀瘀愀氀漀 搀愀氀 昀漀挀栀漀Ⰰ 挀漀渀琀椀渀甀愀洀攀渀琀攀 洀攀渀愀渀搀漀 瀀攀爀 猀瀀愀挀椀漀 搀椀 搀漀椀 倀愀琀攀爀 一漀猀琀攀爀㬀 瀀漀椀 昀愀 氀攀 洀攀渀攀猀琀爀攀Ⰰ 挀甀洀 猀瀀攀挀椀攀 搀漀氀挀攀 搀攀 猀漀瀀爀愀㬀 攀琀 昀愀氀氀漀 搀漀氀挀攀 栀漀 愀最爀漀 猀攀挀甀渀搀漀 氀漀 最甀猀琀漀 搀攀氀 琀甀漀 瀀愀琀爀漀渀攀 挀甀洀 愀最爀攀猀琀漀 栀漀 氀椀洀漀渀椀⸀ ഊ
਀嬀㌀㌀⸀崀 䴀愀爀椀最渀愀渀椀 ഊPiglia li marignani he falli bene netare he bene mondare sutilmente; poi pone a focho uno pocho de aqua he falli dare uno bullore; che siano tagliati in quarti he pone in quella aqua uno pocho de sale, he non li lassare bullire piu che doi Pater Noster; poi cavali fora sopra uno tagliere he falli sugare; poi infarinali [fo_12r] he frigeli; et como li harai triti, scola fora quasi tuto lo olio; poi piglia una spica de aglio he pistala bene cum uno quarto de quisti marignani; he poi habi uno poco de rigano de quello se mette sopra le alice, he pistalo cum lo aglio cum uno pocho de pane, pipero, saffrano he sale; poi distempera tute queste cose insieme cum agresto he cum uno pocho de aceto; poi getta ogni cosa insiema in la padella a frigere un pochette; poi meteli in piatti he manda a tavola cum specie fine. 
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਀吀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 昀爀漀洀 䴀愀爀琀椀渀漀 ⠀漀渀氀椀渀攀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀⤀㨀ഊ
਀刀愀瘀椀漀氀椀 椀渀 琀攀洀瀀漀 搀椀 挀愀爀渀攀⸀ഊPer farne dece menestre: togli meza libra di caso vecchio, et un
਀瀀漀挀栀漀 搀✀愀氀琀爀漀 挀愀猀漀 最爀愀猀猀漀 攀琀 甀渀愀 氀椀戀爀愀 搀椀 瘀攀渀琀爀攀猀挀栀愀 搀椀 瀀漀爀挀栀漀 最爀愀猀猀愀ഊovero una tettha di vitella, et cocila allesso tanto che sia ben 
਀搀椀猀昀愀琀琀愀⸀ 䐀愀瀀漀椀 戀愀琀琀椀氀愀 戀攀渀攀 攀琀 琀漀最氀椀 搀椀 戀漀渀攀 栀攀爀戀攀 戀攀渀 戀愀琀琀甀琀攀Ⰰ 攀琀 瀀攀瀀攀Ⰰ ഊgarofoli, et zenzevero; et giongendovi il petto d'un cappone 
਀瀀攀猀琀漀 猀攀爀攀戀攀 戀漀渀漀 洀椀最氀椀漀爀椀⸀ 䔀琀 琀甀琀琀攀 焀甀攀猀琀攀 挀漀猀攀 搀椀猀琀攀洀瀀攀爀愀氀攀 椀渀猀攀洀攀⸀ഊ
਀㰀㰀㄀㐀㔀㸀㸀ഊDapoi fagli la pasta ben sottile, et liga questa materia ne la pasta
਀挀漀洀漀 瘀漀氀攀 攀猀猀攀爀攀⸀ 䔀琀 焀甀攀猀琀椀 爀愀瘀椀漀氀椀 渀漀渀 猀椀愀渀漀 洀愀椀漀爀椀 搀✀甀渀愀 洀攀稀愀 ഊcastagna, et ponili accocere in brodo di cappone, o di carne bona, facto 
਀最椀愀氀氀漀 搀椀 稀愀昀爀愀渀漀 焀甀愀渀搀漀 戀漀氀氀攀⸀ 䔀琀 氀愀猀猀愀氀椀 戀漀氀氀椀爀攀 瀀攀爀 猀瀀愀琀椀漀 搀攀ഊdoi paternostri. Dapoi fanne menestre, et mettili di sopra caso gratto 
਀攀琀 猀瀀攀琀椀攀 搀漀氀挀椀 洀攀猀挀漀氀愀琀攀 椀渀猀攀洀攀⸀ 䔀琀 猀椀洀椀氀椀 爀愀昀昀椀漀氀椀 猀椀 瀀漀猀猀漀渀 昀愀爀攀ഊdi petto di fasani et starne et altre volatile. 
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਀伀瘀愀 琀甀昀昀愀琀攀 挀漀渀 氀愀 猀甀愀 挀漀爀琀攀挀攀⸀ഊMetti le ova fresche in l'acqua freda, et falle bollire per spatio 
਀搀✀甀渀 瀀愀琀攀爀渀漀猀琀爀漀 漀 甀渀 瀀漀挀漀 瀀椀㼀Ⰰ 攀琀 挀愀瘀愀氀攀 昀漀爀攀⸀ ഊ
਀ഊ[Per fare dece menestre di brodecto.]
਀倀攀爀 昀愀爀攀 搀攀挀攀 洀攀渀攀猀琀爀攀 搀椀 戀爀漀搀攀挀琀漀 瀀椀最氀椀愀 琀爀攀渀琀愀 爀漀猀猀椀 搀✀漀瘀愀Ⰰ 攀琀ഊbono agresto, et bono brodo di carne, o di cappone che serr? assai 
਀洀攀最氀椀漀Ⰰ 攀琀 甀渀 瀀漀挀栀漀 搀椀 稀愀昀爀愀渀漀Ⰰ 攀琀 甀渀 瀀漀挀栀攀 搀椀 猀瀀攀琀椀攀 搀漀氀挀椀Ⰰ 攀琀 洀攀猀挀漀氀愀氀攀 ഊinseme, et passale per la stamegnia et ponile in una pignatta, et
਀洀椀琀琀椀 氀愀 搀椀琀琀愀 瀀椀最渀愀琀琀愀 猀漀瀀爀愀 氀愀 戀爀愀猀挀椀愀 氀漀渀最椀 搀愀氀 昀漀挀栀漀 洀攀渀愀渀搀漀 ഊcontinuamente col cocchiaro; et como tu vedi che lo cocchiaro comincia 
਀愀搀 椀洀戀爀愀琀琀愀爀猀椀 氀攀瘀愀氀愀 搀愀氀 昀漀挀栀漀㬀 攀琀 渀漀渀 氀愀猀猀愀爀攀 瀀攀爀㼀 搀椀 洀攀渀愀爀攀 挀漀氀ഊcocchiaro tanto che dicessi doi paternostri. Dapoi fa' le menestre et
਀洀攀琀琀攀最氀椀 甀渀 瀀漀挀栀攀 搀攀 猀瀀攀琀椀攀 搀甀氀挀椀 搀椀 猀漀瀀爀愀㬀 攀琀 昀愀✀ 挀栀攀 猀挀椀愀 搀漀氀挀攀 漀ഊagro secundo el comune gusto. 
਀ഊThis is one of the recipes form Martino, Ms. Urb. Lat.
਀ഊ
਀㜀㜀⸀ 倀攀爀 昀愀爀攀 爀愀瘀椀甀漀氀椀 椀渀 琀攀洀瀀漀 搀椀 挀愀爀渀攀ഊ(P)er fare dieci minestre togli meza libra di caso vecchio e uno pocho
਀搀愀氀琀爀漀 挀愀猀漀 最爀愀猀猀漀 攀 甀渀愀 氀椀戀爀愀 搀椀 瘀攀渀琀爀攀猀挀栀愀 搀椀 瀀漀爀挀漀 最爀愀猀猀漀 栀漀 瘀甀漀椀ഊuna tetta di vitella et quocila alesso tanto che sia ben disfatta dipoi bat-
਀琀椀氀愀 戀攀渀攀 攀 琀漀最氀椀 搀椀 戀漀渀攀 栀攀爀戀攀 戀攀渀攀 戀愀琀琀甀琀攀 攀 瀀攀瀀攀 最愀爀漀昀愀氀椀 攀 最攀渀最椀愀渀漀ഊet giungendovi d petto di uno capone pesto sarebbeno migliori e tutte
਀焀甀攀猀琀攀 挀漀猀攀 搀椀猀琀攀洀瀀攀爀愀氀攀 椀渀猀椀攀洀攀 搀椀瀀漀椀 琀愀最氀椀愀 氀愀 瀀愀猀琀愀 戀攀渀攀 猀漀琀琀椀氀攀 攀 氀攀最愀ഊquesta materia nella pasta come vole esse e questi raviuoli non siano
਀洀愀最椀漀爀椀 搀椀 甀渀愀 洀攀稀愀 挀愀猀琀愀最渀愀 攀 瀀漀渀椀氀椀 愀焀甀漀挀攀爀攀 椀渀 戀爀漀搀漀 搀椀 挀愀瀀漀渀攀 ഊho di carne buona fatto giallo di zafrano quando bolle e lassalo bollire
਀瀀攀爀 椀猀瀀愀琀椀漀 搀椀 搀甀攀 瀀愀琀攀爀渀漀猀琀爀椀 搀椀瀀漀椀 昀愀渀渀攀 洀椀渀攀猀琀爀攀 攀 洀攀琀琀椀氀椀 搀椀 猀漀瀀爀愀 挀愀ⴀഊso grattato e spetie dolce misticate insieme e simili raviuoli si possano
਀昀愀爀攀 搀椀 瀀攀琀琀漀 搀椀 昀愀猀愀渀椀 攀 猀琀愀洀攀 攀 愀氀琀爀攀 瘀漀氀愀琀椀氀椀攀⸀ഊ
਀䠀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀渀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 愀渀 䄀瘀攀 䴀愀爀椀愀 椀猀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 椀渀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀 ⠀㄀㔀㈀㤀⤀㨀ഊ
਀䔀䴀倀䄀一䄀䐀䄀 䐀䔀 䌀䄀刀一䔀ഊO DE PESCADO.
਀ഊAs de tomar la carne o el pescado y darle vn heruor,
਀洀愀猀猀椀 昀甀攀爀攀 挀愀爀渀攀 栀椀攀爀甀愀 洀愀猀 焀甀攀 攀氀 瀀攀猀挀愀搀漀Ⰰ 礀 搀攀猀焀甀攀 愀礀愀戀椀攀渀ഊheruido quitarlo del fuego y ponerlo en agua tria, y' despu?s
਀栀愀稀攀爀 氀愀 攀洀瀀愀渀愀搀愀 礀 瀀漀渀攀爀氀攀 氀愀 挀愀爀渀攀 漀 攀氀 瀀攀猀挀愀搀漀 挀漀爀琀愀搀漀 愀 瀀攀搀愀稀漀猀ഊpeque?os tan grandes como los dosdedos, y avn menores,
਀礀 瀀漀渀氀漀猀 攀渀氀愀 攀洀瀀愀渀愀搀愀Ⰰ 礀 搀攀猀瀀甀㼀猀 ✀ ✀瘀愀礀愀 愀氀 栀漀洀漀Ⰰ 礀 栀愀稀攀爀ഊvn agujero encima del cobertor d?la empanada porque pueda
਀攀猀瀀椀爀愀爀Ⰰ 焀甀攀 搀攀 漀琀爀愀 洀愀渀攀爀愀 爀攀ⴀ戀攀渀琀愀爀椀愀 攀渀攀氀 栀漀洀漀Ⰰ 礀 焀甀愀渀搀漀 瀀甀猀椀攀爀攀猀ഊla carne enla em-panada poner tambi?n la salsa fina con
਀攀氀氀愀 礀 猀椀 昀甀攀爀攀 搀攀 瀀攀猀挀愀搀漀 挀愀爀最愀 氀愀⸀ 洀愀渀漀 攀渀氀愀 瀀椀洀椀攀渀琀愀Ⰰ 礀 猀椀ഊde carnecargar la mano enla salsa, y vn poco antes que sea hora
਀搀攀⸀⸀⸀ 猀愀挀愀爀 氀愀 攀洀瀀愀渀愀搀愀 搀攀氀 栀漀洀漀 瀀漀渀攀爀 瀀漀爀 攀氀 愀最甀樀攀爀漀 栀甀攀甀漀猀戀愀琀椀搀漀猀ഊen vna escudilla con agraz o con zumo de naranjao vinagre blanco
਀爀漀猀愀搀漀Ⰰ 礀 搀攀猀瀀甀㼀猀 琀漀洀愀爀氀愀 愀氀 栀漀洀漀 瀀漀爀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀愀挀椀漀 搀攀 瘀渀 倀愀琀攀爀ഊnoster y vna Aue maria, y sacarla y ponerla enla mesa.
਀ഊThis one is from the Catalan De Nola (online somewhere, I don't remember exactly where it was):
਀ഊPotatge de Almadroch
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਀ഊDate: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:05:41 -0700 (PDT)
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䠀攀氀攀渀 匀挀栀甀氀琀稀 㰀洀攀椀猀琀攀爀椀渀　㈀ 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Prayers for recipe timing
਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀䤀 眀愀猀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 洀礀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 䴀愀攀猀琀爀漀 䴀愀爀琀椀渀漀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 攀氀猀攀 琀栀椀猀 愀昀琀攀渀漀漀渀 愀渀搀 爀愀渀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 琀栀椀猀 漀渀攀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀䔀最最猀 䌀漀搀搀氀攀搀 椀渀 吀栀攀椀爀 匀栀攀氀氀猀ഊPlace fresh eggs in cold water and boil for the time it takes you to say a Lord's Prayer, or a little bit longer, and remove.
਀吀栀攀 渀漀琀攀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀 猀愀礀猀 椀琀 琀愀欀攀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 漀渀攀 洀椀渀甀琀攀 琀漀 猀愀礀 愀 䰀漀爀搀✀猀 倀爀愀礀攀爀⸀ഊ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
਀䴀攀椀猀琀攀爀椀渀 䬀愀琀愀爀椀渀愀 䠀攀氀攀渀攀 瘀漀渀 匀挀栀㼀渀戀漀爀渀Ⰰ 伀䰀 ഊShire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) http://narrental.home.comcast.net 
਀䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 ഊhttp://meisterin.katarina.home.comcast.net 
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ 　㠀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㌀㨀㌀㔀㨀㐀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Suey <lordhunt at gmail.com>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 倀爀愀礀攀爀猀 昀漀爀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 琀椀洀椀渀最ഊTo: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
਀ഊPhlip's original question was:
਀㰀㰀㰀 䌀漀甀氀搀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀猀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀椀挀栀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 搀椀爀攀挀琀 洀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀ഊrecipes that used various prayers for timing? There seems to be a
਀猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 甀猀愀最攀 最漀椀渀最 漀渀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 猀洀椀琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀攀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 氀漀漀欀 椀渀琀漀ഊit more. >>>
਀ഊOf Nola's recipes he calls for a Paternosters in
਀栀椀猀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 渀甀洀戀攀爀  ⼀      䈀爀椀最栀椀搀✀猀 渀甀洀戀攀爀ഊ     xxii-1                   42               Almodrate which is capirota
਀     砀砀椀椀椀椀ⴀ㄀                 㐀㠀               䬀椀搀瀀椀攀ഊ     xliiii-2                130               Meat or fish pastry
਀ഊSee:
਀ഊ_Guisados1-art_. On line Posting. June 6, 2001. April 24, 2003. Recipes 
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਀㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最⼀昀椀氀攀猀⼀䘀伀伀䐀ⴀ䴀䄀一唀匀䌀刀䤀倀吀匀⼀䜀甀椀猀愀搀漀猀㄀ⴀ愀爀琀⸀栀琀洀氀㸀ഊ
਀⸀ ⸀ ⸀ ∀䄀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 刀甀瀀攀爀琀漀 搀攀 一漀氀愀✀猀 ✀䰀椀戀爀攀 搀攀氀 䌀漀挀栀⸀✀∀ ഊ_Stefan's Florilegium Guisados2-art_. On line Posting. June 6, 2001. 
਀䄀甀最甀猀琀 㐀Ⰰ ㈀　　㈀⸀ 刀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 ㄀㠀　ⴀ㈀㐀㌀⸀ ഊ<http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-MANUSCRIPTS/Guisados2-art.html>
਀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 氀愀琀琀攀爀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 挀愀氀氀猀 昀漀爀 愀渀 䄀瘀攀 䴀愀爀椀愀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀ 倀攀爀攀稀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊtranslators of Nola from Catalan to Castellan, states that recipes 
਀愀猀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䌀爀攀攀搀 愀渀搀 瀀爀愀礀攀爀猀 昀漀爀 伀甀爀 䰀愀搀礀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 瀀爀攀瘀愀氀攀渀琀 搀甀爀椀渀最 ഊthis period,..
਀ഊI have a feeling that Sent Sovi calls for prayers for timing but I don't 
਀琀爀甀猀琀 洀礀 䌀愀琀愀氀愀渀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀 椀琀 愀渀搀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀琀漀 洀礀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀⸀ ഊAs Amazon has advised, we will be receiving the new translation soon, we 
਀栀漀瀀攀⸀ഊ
਀䄀氀猀漀 䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 琀攀砀琀猀 漀昀  琀栀攀 䄀爀挀栀瀀爀椀攀猀琀 漀昀 䠀椀琀愀 漀爀 䐀漀渀 儀甀椀樀漀琀攀 ഊin my computer but these writings deal more with gluttony or starvation 
਀洀愀欀攀 昀漀爀 戀愀搀 栀甀洀漀爀猀 漀爀 戀愀搀 栀攀愀氀琀栀 琀栀愀渀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 挀漀漀欀 愀渀搀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最⸀ 䈀漀琀栀 ഊwould have to be reread in search for such an item which is a lot of 
਀爀攀愀搀椀渀最 昀漀爀 漀渀攀 瀀栀爀愀猀攀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀 挀漀瘀攀爀 䐀椀攀最漀 䜀爀愀渀愀搀漀Ⰰ 倀栀椀氀氀椀瀀 䤀䤀✀猀 挀栀攀昀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀攀 椀猀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 ഊpossibility.
਀ഊSomeone back there mentioned that the size of chicken eggs was smaller 
਀椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀 琀栀攀渀 渀漀眀 洀愀欀椀渀最 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 琀椀洀攀 猀栀漀爀琀攀爀 愀猀 眀攀 猀琀椀氀氀 搀漀 ഊwith partridge eggs. Also, except for the Lent season, which coincides 
਀眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 洀愀琀椀渀最 猀攀愀猀漀渀 漀昀 戀椀爀搀猀Ⰰ 洀漀爀攀 漀爀 氀攀猀猀Ⰰ 攀最最猀 昀爀漀洀 愀氀氀 欀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 ഊfowl were consumed as today country estates, manors and woodlands 
਀挀漀氀氀攀挀琀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀 漀昀 眀椀渀最攀搀 挀爀攀愀琀甀爀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 氀攀昀琀 愀渀搀 挀漀渀琀椀渀甀攀 琀漀 ഊleave eggs for the creatures who find them consumable!
਀ഊSuey
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ 　㘀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㌀㨀㄀㄀㨀㐀㐀 ⬀㄀㈀　　ഊFrom: Antonia Calvo <ladyadele at paradise.net.nz>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 倀爀愀礀攀爀猀 昀漀爀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 琀椀洀椀渀最ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
਀ഊHelen Schultz wrote:
਀㰀㰀㰀 䤀 眀愀猀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 洀礀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 䴀愀攀猀琀爀漀 䴀愀爀琀椀渀漀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 攀氀猀攀 琀栀椀猀 愀昀琀攀渀漀漀渀 愀渀搀 爀愀渀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 琀栀椀猀 漀渀攀⸀⸀⸀ഊEggs Coddled in Their Shells
਀倀氀愀挀攀 昀爀攀猀栀 攀最最猀 椀渀 挀漀氀搀 眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 戀漀椀氀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 椀琀 琀愀欀攀猀 礀漀甀 琀漀 猀愀礀 愀 䰀漀爀搀✀猀 倀爀愀礀攀爀Ⰰ 漀爀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 戀椀琀 氀漀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀⸀  ഊThe note with it says it takes about one minute to say a Lord's Prayer. >>>
਀ഊI make it 30 seconds, with careful enunciation :-)
਀ⴀⴀ ഊAntonia di Benedetto Calvo
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 㔀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㤀㨀㄀㘀㨀　　 ⴀ　㘀　　ഊFrom: James Prescott <prescotj at telusplanet.net>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 倀爀愀礀攀爀猀 昀漀爀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 琀椀洀椀渀最ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
਀ഊNot just the one cited, but two recipes use paternoster in Lancelot de Casteau,
਀伀甀瘀攀爀琀甀爀攀 搀攀 䌀甀椀猀椀渀攀Ⰰ ㄀㘀　㐀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀漀爀瘀愀氀搀ഊ
਀倀匀㨀 吀栀攀 眀愀礀 䤀 爀攀挀椀琀攀 琀栀攀 䰀愀琀椀渀 瀀愀琀攀爀渀漀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 椀琀 琀愀欀攀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㈀　 猀攀挀漀渀搀猀⸀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:22:58 -0500 (CDT)
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀匀礀搀渀攀礀 圀愀氀欀攀爀 䘀爀攀攀搀洀愀渀∀ 㰀昀爀攀攀搀洀愀猀 愀琀 猀琀漀氀愀昀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Prayers for recipe timing
਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀䤀 挀栀愀渀琀 琀栀攀 瀀愀琀攀爀渀漀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 琀愀欀攀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀 洀椀渀甀琀攀⸀ഊ
਀䰀愀搀礀 䌀攀挀椀氀椀愀 搀攀 䌀愀洀戀爀椀最攀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 08:12:13 -0600
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䬀愀琀栀氀攀攀渀 䄀 刀漀戀攀爀琀猀∀ 㰀欀愀爀漀戀攀爀琀 愀琀 甀渀洀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Prayers for recipe timing
਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀伀渀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 㔀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㠀 ㈀　㨀㈀㈀㨀㔀㠀 ⴀ　㔀　　 ⠀䌀䐀吀⤀ഊ  "Sydney Walker Freedman" <freedmas at stolaf.edu> wrote:
਀䤀 挀栀愀渀琀 琀栀攀 瀀愀琀攀爀渀漀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 琀愀欀攀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀 洀椀渀甀琀攀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀愀琀 椀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最⸀   䌀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 眀椀氀氀 攀砀琀攀渀搀 琀栀攀 氀椀昀攀 漀昀 ഊany prayer/piece.  and depending on how many notes you put 
਀漀渀 漀渀攀 猀礀氀氀愀戀氀攀⸀  挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 琀栀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 洀攀搀椀甀洀 ഊand well done.
਀ഊWhen I was a choir girl, lo those many years ago, they 
਀眀攀爀攀 瀀栀愀猀椀渀最 漀甀琀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀椀渀 洀愀猀猀攀猀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 攀渀最氀椀猀栀 洀愀猀猀攀猀⸀ ഊit was amazing how much quicker the high masses were in 
਀攀渀最氀椀猀栀⸀  愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 眀攀 最漀琀 椀渀琀漀 昀漀氀欀 洀愀猀猀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀椀渀最椀渀最 ഊthe kyrie was never the same again.
਀ഊi loved the sound of the old latin masses... i think we 
਀氀漀猀琀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 挀攀爀攀洀漀渀礀 愀渀搀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀 琀栀攀渀⸀ഊ
਀挀愀椀氀琀攀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:09:28 -0400
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀倀栀椀氀 吀爀漀礀 ⼀ 䜀⸀ 吀愀挀椀琀甀猀 䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀∀ 㰀愀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀㄀ 愀琀 瘀攀爀椀稀漀渀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Prayers for recipe timing
਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀伀渀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀　　㠀ⴀ　㘀ⴀ　㘀 愀琀 　㜀㨀㔀㌀ ⴀ　㜀　　Ⰰ 䐀愀瘀椀搀 圀愀氀搀搀漀渀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<<< Three minutes seems much more reasonable for a soft boiled egg than  
਀㘀　 猀攀挀漀渀搀猀 椀渀 吀栀漀爀瘀愀氀搀✀猀 挀愀猀攀 愀渀搀 㤀　 猀攀挀漀渀搀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 挀愀猀攀⸀ഊBut I can't get it to be more than 30 seconds either!
਀圀栀愀琀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 挀栀愀渀琀 愀爀攀 礀漀甀 甀猀椀渀最 琀漀 搀爀愀眀 椀琀 漀甀琀 琀漀 愀 眀栀漀氀攀 洀椀渀甀琀攀⸀ഊAnd what do you all think Martino would have used when saying the  
਀倀愀琀攀爀 一漀猀琀攀爀㼀 䤀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀ⴀ琀漀ⴀ氀愀琀攀 ㄀㐀　　✀猀 椀渀 䤀琀愀氀礀  ഊthat is longer?
਀ഊEduardo >>>
਀ഊDoesn't Martino also specify putting the eggs (possibly smaller than
਀眀攀✀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀㼀⤀ 椀渀琀漀 挀漀氀搀 眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 戀漀椀氀 琀栀攀洀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 漀昀 愀ഊpaternoster? Doesn't this then suggest there's an indeterminate period
਀漀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀攀 眀栀椀氀攀 眀攀 眀愀椀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 琀漀 挀漀洀攀 甀瀀 琀漀 愀 戀漀椀氀㼀 䤀琀 洀椀最栀琀ഊnot be so unreasonable after all.
਀ഊI'm reminded of having to boil eggs for my station at Le Colombe d'Or,
਀愀渀搀 戀攀椀渀最 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀搀 琀漀 搀漀 椀琀 吀栀攀 伀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀 圀愀礀 琀栀攀 攀砀攀挀甀琀椀瘀攀 挀栀攀昀 眀愀渀琀攀搀ഊit done, which involved putting the eggs into hard boiling water (cracks
਀眀攀爀攀 漀昀 猀攀挀漀渀搀愀爀礀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀挀攀 琀漀 愀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 礀漀氀欀 挀漀氀漀爀⤀ 愀渀搀 戀漀椀氀 琀栀攀洀 愀琀ഊa full boil for eight minutes.
਀ഊKinda the opposite of Martino's method.
਀ഊAdamantius  
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ 㘀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㠀 　㠀㨀㄀㘀㨀㌀　 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: David Walddon <david at vastrepast.com>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 倀爀愀礀攀爀猀 昀漀爀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 琀椀洀椀渀最ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
਀ഊOva tuffate con la sua cortece.
਀䴀攀琀琀椀 氀攀 漀瘀愀 昀爀攀猀挀栀攀 椀渀 氀✀愀挀焀甀愀 昀爀攀搀愀Ⰰ 攀琀 昀愀氀氀攀 戀漀氀氀椀爀攀 瀀攀爀 猀瀀愀琀椀漀ഊd'un paternostro o un poco pi?, et cavale fore.
਀ഊYou are right you put the egg in cold water and boil for the space of  
਀愀 瀀愀琀攀爀 渀漀猀琀攀爀⸀ഊ
਀匀漀 漀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 挀漀洀攀猀 琀漀 愀 戀漀椀氀 氀攀琀 椀琀 搀漀 猀漀 昀漀爀 ㈀　Ⰰ ㌀　 漀爀 㘀　  ഊseconds depending on how you chant the pater noster.
਀ഊI think I will be eating soft boiled eggs this morning. Three of them  
਀愀琀 攀愀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀琀攀爀瘀愀氀猀⸀ഊ
਀䔀搀甀愀爀搀漀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:37:41 -0400
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 匀愀渀搀爀愀 䬀椀猀渀攀爀 㰀猀樀欀㌀ 愀琀 挀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] cooking and the rosary
਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀㰀㰀㰀 䤀 攀渀搀攀搀 甀瀀 椀渀 愀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 眀椀琀栀 愀 最攀渀琀氀攀 眀栀漀 眀愀猀 爀攀挀漀甀渀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 甀猀攀 漀昀 琀攀氀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 爀漀猀愀爀礀 愀猀Ⰰ 攀昀昀攀挀琀椀瘀攀氀礀Ⰰ 愀渀 攀最最 琀椀洀攀爀⸀ 䄀猀 椀琀 眀愀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 瀀愀猀猀椀渀最 挀漀渀瘀攀爀猀愀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 樀甀猀琀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀攀爀挀栀愀渀琀 愀爀攀愀Ⰰ 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀漀 愀猀欀 ⨀眀栀攀爀攀⨀ 栀攀 栀愀搀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 椀渀 愀 挀漀漀欀攀爀礀 戀漀漀欀⸀ഊDoes this use jog anyone's memory? A citation would be lovely, though I'll
਀栀愀瀀瀀椀氀礀 琀愀欀攀 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 挀愀渀 最椀瘀攀 洀攀⸀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ
਀ 䘀爀漀洀 愀 瀀漀猀琀 椀渀 ㈀　　㈀㨀ഊ
਀䠀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 昀漀甀爀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䰀椀戀爀漀 搀攀 䜀甀椀猀愀搀漀猀㨀ഊ
਀⌀ 㐀㈀ഊAlmodrote, which is Capirotada
਀∀夀漀甀 猀栀愀氀氀 琀愀欀攀 瀀愀爀琀爀椀搀最攀猀 愀渀搀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 眀攀氀氀ⴀ瀀氀甀挀欀攀搀Ⰰ 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀ഊbetween the embers; and when they have been there for the space of a
਀倀愀琀攀爀渀漀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀洀 漀甀琀 愀渀搀 挀氀攀愀渀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 漀昀昀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀漀愀猀琀 琀栀攀洀⸀⸀⸀∀ഊ
਀⌀ 㐀㠀ഊKid Pie
਀∀⸀⸀⸀愀渀搀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 礀漀甀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 椀琀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 漀瘀攀渀Ⰰ 戀攀愀琀 猀漀洀攀 攀最最猀 眀椀琀栀ഊverjuice or orange juice and put it in the empanada though the vent hole on
਀琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 漀昀 琀栀攀 攀洀瀀愀渀愀搀愀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 爀攀琀甀爀渀 椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀瘀攀渀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀爀攀攀ഊPaternosters ..."
਀ഊ# 130
਀䴀攀愀琀 漀爀 昀椀猀栀 倀愀猀琀爀礀ഊ"And then return it to the oven for the space of a Paternoster and an Ave
਀䴀愀爀椀愀⸀∀ഊ
਀⌀ 㤀㈀ഊCasserole for Invalids
਀∀⸀⸀⸀愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 爀攀琀甀爀渀 椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀瘀攀渀 愀渀搀 氀攀愀瘀攀 椀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 漀昀 愀ഊcredo..."
਀ഊBrighid ni Chiarain *** mka Robin Carroll-Mann
਀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 匀攀琀琀洀漀甀爀 匀眀愀洀瀀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:37:37 -0700 (PDT)
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀愀爀挀甀猀 䰀漀椀搀漀氀琀 㰀洀樀氀漀椀搀漀氀琀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Sca-cooks Digest, Vol 29, Issue 26
਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ
਀䈀攀渀攀搀椀挀琀攀ⰀഊI believe...without having said tomes to hand...To the King's Taste and Two Fifeteenth Cent cookbooks both descibe having something...usually eggs or mushrooms, stew or boil 'a Pater Noster while'? Now it could be argued that said measuring device could be protracted for an entire rosary...though that isn't likely to me...AND you also have the variance of how fast an individual might mutter through his/her prayers as opposed to saying them devoutly and sustinctly...
਀ഊIt takes MOST people about 30 seconds to say the Lord's Prayer/Our Father/Pater Noster at a moderate devout pace. It takes about 20 seconds to add the Angelic Salutation/ Hail Mary/ Ave Maria. and another 15 seconds for the Gloria or Doxology and it might take you a minute even to say those three. Hardly enough for a rosary which would be essentially 150 times as long...Most circles say a decade/ 1 Pater Noster, 10 Aves and 1 Gloria in about 5 minutes...taking about 1/2 hour to say five decades or a chaplet.
਀ഊI know my own grandmother used such a device for timing eggs and such, ie, put the eggs to boil, say a decade of the rosary with Archbishop Sheen on the radio and have the eggs done when she finished...
਀ഊI know from my own experience that a Pater Noster while is just enough time to blanche most vegetables to my liking and to scald a chicken before plucking!
਀ഊJohann von Metten
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 㔀 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㤀 　㤀㨀　㔀㨀㄀㈀ ⴀ　㘀　　ഊFrom: Alexandria Doyle <garbaholic at gmail.com>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 吀椀洀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 倀愀琀攀爀渀漀猀琀攀爀✀猀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
਀ഊThe other night while going through a 15th century painting manual
਀氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 戀爀甀猀栀 洀愀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 䤀 眀愀猀 猀欀椀洀瀀椀渀最 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀ഊreceipts for preparing various pigments, through the washing
਀猀琀爀愀椀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 最爀椀渀搀椀渀最Ⰰ 攀琀挀 䤀 渀漀琀攀搀 琀眀漀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀猀 漀昀 甀猀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊpaternoster to time a holding period.  In one recipe it was for the
਀氀攀渀最琀栀 漀昀 漀渀攀 瀀愀琀攀爀渀漀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀琀 眀愀猀 琀攀渀⸀  吀栀攀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀 眀愀猀ഊwritten in Italian/Latin and the book I was looking at included the
਀漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 琀栀攀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀ഊgoogle books, Mrs Merrifield the author, and of course, I'm at work
਀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀 䤀✀瘀攀 猀愀瘀攀搀 椀猀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀 愀渀搀 䤀✀洀 搀爀愀眀椀渀最 愀 戀氀愀渀欀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊexact title, except it has to do with Treatises on the Art of
਀倀愀椀渀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 瘀漀氀甀洀攀 䤀䤀⸀  䤀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 椀琀 搀漀椀渀最 愀 猀攀愀爀挀栀 昀漀爀 戀漀漀欀猀ഊon oil painting.
਀ഊthese two mentions were within the first fifty pages of the pdf file.
਀䤀 眀愀猀渀✀琀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀漀 椀渀 搀攀瀀琀栀 愀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀攀爀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 洀漀爀攀ഊmentions, and when I get a chance to print it out I'll look for more,
਀椀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 椀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀⸀ഊ
਀愀氀攀砀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:43:30 -0600
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀氀攀砀愀渀搀爀椀愀 䐀漀礀氀攀 㰀最愀爀戀愀栀漀氀椀挀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Timing with Paternoster's
਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀伀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 吀爀攀愀琀椀猀攀猀Ⰰ 搀愀琀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 堀䤀䤀琀栀 琀漀 堀嘀䤀䤀䤀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊarts of Painting, oil, minitature, mosaic and on glass; of gilding,
਀搀礀椀渀最 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 挀漀氀漀甀爀猀 愀渀搀 愀爀琀椀昀椀挀椀愀氀 最攀洀猀⸀ഊby Mrs. Merrifield, in two volumes -vol.II
਀ഊBolognese Manuscript entitled "Segreti per Colori"
਀瀀最 ㌀㔀㐀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀⼀㐀㘀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀搀昀 昀椀爀猀琀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 ∀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊlength of a pater noster"
਀瀀最 ㌀㘀㈀ 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀⼀瀀最 㔀㈀ 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀搀昀 ∀氀攀琀 椀琀 爀攀洀愀椀渀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 漀昀ഊten paternosters"
਀䈀漀琀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 愀爀攀 椀渀 爀攀最愀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 洀愀欀椀渀最 愀稀甀爀攀⸀ഊ
਀琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 洀漀爀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀 琀漀 最漀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 礀漀甀 愀氀氀ഊmight like the details on these tidbits.
਀ഊJust the first three words of the title on google books brought up
਀猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 氀椀猀琀椀渀最猀 昀漀爀 椀琀⸀ഊ
਀愀氀攀砀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:35:35 -0400
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 刀漀戀椀渀 䌀愀爀爀漀氀氀ⴀ䴀愀渀渀 㰀爀挀愀爀爀漀氀氀洀愀渀渀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] crisping birds
਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀伀渀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ 䴀愀礀 㐀Ⰰ ㈀　　㤀 愀琀 ㌀㨀㔀㐀 倀䴀Ⰰ 倀栀椀氀 吀爀漀礀 ⼀ 䜀⸀ 吀愀挀椀琀甀猀 䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀ഊ<adamantius1 at verizon.net> wrote:
਀㰀㰀㰀 䤀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 挀氀攀愀爀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 椀渀琀攀渀琀 椀猀⸀ 䄀猀 䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 猀甀最最攀猀琀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 猀椀渀最攀椀渀最 ⠀琀漀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 栀愀椀爀氀椀欀攀 瀀椀渀昀攀愀琀栀攀爀猀⤀⸀ 伀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 栀愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 愀氀猀漀 戀攀 琀漀 眀愀爀洀 琀栀攀 漀甀琀攀爀 猀甀爀昀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 猀漀昀琀攀渀 琀栀攀 猀欀椀渀 琀漀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀攀 椀琀 昀漀爀 氀愀爀搀椀渀最⸀ഊ
਀䄀爀攀 礀漀甀 焀甀漀琀椀渀最 愀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀㼀 圀栀愀琀 挀漀洀攀猀 渀攀砀琀㼀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ
਀䤀✀氀氀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 氀椀戀攀爀琀礀 漀昀 爀攀瀀氀礀椀渀最Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 愀 焀甀椀挀欀 挀栀攀挀欀 猀栀漀眀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀✀猀ഊfrom my translation of de Nola.
਀刀攀挀椀瀀攀 ⌀㐀㈀ഊ
਀䄀䰀䴀伀䐀刀伀吀䔀 ⠀㌀㄀⤀  圀䠀䤀䌀䠀 䤀匀 䌀䄀倀䤀刀伀吀䄀䐀䄀 ⠀㌀㈀⤀ഊ      ALMODROTE QUE ES CAPIROTADA
਀ഊYou shall take partridges and after they have been well-plucked, put
਀琀栀攀洀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 攀洀戀攀爀猀㬀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀栀攀爀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀ഊof a Paternoster (33), take them out and clean everything off them,
਀愀渀搀 爀漀愀猀琀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀愀猀琀攀 琀栀攀洀 猀甀昀昀椀挀椀攀渀琀氀礀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 戀愀挀漀渀 昀愀琀㬀 愀渀搀ഊwhen they are roasted, cut them as if to make portions of them, and
਀琀栀攀渀 最爀愀琀攀 最漀漀搀 挀栀攀攀猀攀 漀昀 䄀爀愀最漀渀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 昀椀渀攀㬀 愀渀搀 琀愀欀攀 琀眀漀 眀栀漀氀攀ഊheads of garlic roasted between the embers and then peel them very
਀眀攀氀氀 愀渀搀 挀氀攀愀渀氀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 最爀椀渀搀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 愀 洀漀爀琀愀爀㬀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀 挀栀攀攀猀攀ഊin the mortar, and resume grinding it all together; and while you are
਀最爀椀渀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 挀愀猀琀 愀 最漀漀搀 猀瀀漀漀渀昀甀氀 漀昀 氀愀爀搀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 洀漀爀琀愀爀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 猀漀洀攀ഊegg yolks, and grind it all together; and when it is all well-ground,
਀戀氀攀渀搀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 最漀漀搀 洀甀琀琀漀渀 戀爀漀琀栀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 栀愀氀昀 挀漀漀氀攀搀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 椀昀 椀琀ഊwere very hot it would consume the cheese; and then make slices of
਀戀爀攀愀搀 愀渀搀 琀漀愀猀琀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀挀爀愀瀀攀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 戀甀爀渀琀 瀀愀爀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 猀挀愀氀搀ഊor soak these toasted slices of bread with good mutton broth in an
਀攀愀爀琀栀攀渀眀愀爀攀 戀漀眀氀 漀爀 愀 搀攀攀瀀 瀀氀愀琀攀㬀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀洀 漀甀琀 愀渀搀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀ഊon a large plate, all around, in this manner: a layer of bread slices,
਀愀渀搀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 漀昀 瀀愀爀琀爀椀搀最攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 洀愀渀渀攀爀 昀椀氀氀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀琀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀ഊplatform of bread slices and another of partridges; and when the plate
਀椀猀 昀甀氀氀Ⰰ 挀愀猀琀 琀栀攀 愀氀洀漀搀爀漀琀攀 漀渀 琀漀瀀 漀昀 椀琀 愀氀氀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 琀愀欀攀 洀攀氀琀攀搀 氀愀爀搀ഊand scatter it over the plate.
਀ഊAnd the footnotes for this recipe:
਀ഊ(31) Almodrote is a garlic-cheese sauce.  In the Libre de Sent Sovi,
਀椀琀 椀猀 愀渀 愀挀挀漀洀瀀愀渀椀洀攀渀琀 琀漀 爀漀愀猀琀 瀀漀爀欀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀琀爀椀搀最攀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 挀栀椀挀欀攀渀⸀ഊ
਀⠀㌀㈀⤀ 䴀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 椀渀 䄀爀琀攀 䌀椀猀漀爀椀愀 愀猀 愀 搀椀猀栀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 眀椀琀栀 爀漀愀猀琀攀搀ഊhens, partridges, or doves, usually layered between slices of bread.
਀吀栀攀 攀琀礀洀漀氀漀最礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 椀猀 愀 戀椀琀 甀渀挀攀爀琀愀椀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 洀愀礀 搀攀爀椀瘀攀 昀爀漀洀ഊcapirote, "hood", because the sauce covers the dish just as a hood
਀挀漀瘀攀爀猀 愀 栀攀愀搀⸀  匀攀攀 愀氀猀漀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 ㄀㘀㐀 昀漀爀 愀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 洀愀搀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀爀甀昀昀氀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀⠀㌀㌀⤀ 倀愀琀攀爀 渀漀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 漀瀀攀渀椀渀最 眀漀爀搀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䰀漀爀搀✀猀 倀爀愀礀攀爀 椀渀 䰀愀琀椀渀⸀ഊThe partridges are to be placed on the coals for the short time that
਀椀琀 琀愀欀攀猀 琀漀 爀攀挀椀琀攀 琀栀椀猀 瀀爀愀礀攀爀⸀  匀椀洀椀氀愀爀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 椀渀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊmedieval and Renaissance cookbooks.  See also recipes 48 and 130.
਀ഊThe Spanish that I have translated as "baste them... bacon fat" is
਀∀搀愀爀氀攀猀 猀甀 氀愀爀搀漀 愀戀愀猀琀愀搀愀洀攀渀琀攀∀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀ഊrecipes that call for larding -- only barding and basting.
਀ഊBrighid ni Chiarain
਀ഊ<the end>
਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ爀攀挀ⴀ琀椀洀ⴀ瀀爀愀礀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 ㄀㌀ 漀昀 ㄀㌀ഊ
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