mincemeat-pie-msg - 11/7/08
਀ഊPeriod mincemeat pies. Recipes.
਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: pies-msg, tarts-msg, fruit-pies-msg, meat-pies-msg, minced-meat-art, meatloaf-msg, sausages-msg, veal-msg, puddings-msg, fruits-msg.
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਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous
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਀ഊDate: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:05:54 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 瘀樀愀爀洀猀琀爀漀渀最 愀琀 愀爀椀猀琀漀琀氀攀⸀渀攀琀 ⠀嘀愀氀漀椀猀攀 䄀爀洀猀琀爀漀渀最⤀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Tartys in Applis-NEW recipe-enjoy
਀ഊTyrca wrote:
਀㸀嘀攀爀礀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 刀愀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 戀爀椀渀最猀 甀瀀 愀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 栀愀搀 昀漀爀ഊ>some time, about mincemeat.  I grew up with mincemeat pies for
਀㸀䌀栀爀椀猀琀洀愀猀 愀猀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 开洀攀愀琀开 椀渀 琀栀攀洀⸀  䴀礀 洀漀琀栀攀爀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 甀猀攀搀ഊ>leftover roast beef or venison, put it through a hand grinder, and
਀㸀愀搀搀攀搀 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 爀愀椀猀椀渀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀愀渀渀攀搀 琀栀攀 昀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 甀猀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊ>holidays.  It is my father's favorite.  As I grew older, and went more
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਀㸀ഊ>Did they really use meat in mincemeat pies in period?  Or is my family
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਀䄀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 栀愀氀昀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀椀昀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀漀爀 洀攀愀琀ഊpies with fruit seem to be much more common than for fruit pies without
਀洀攀愀琀⸀ 䴀愀渀礀 洀攀愀琀 瀀椀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 戀愀欀攀搀 椀渀 愀 栀攀愀瘀礀 昀氀漀甀爀 愀渀搀 眀愀琀攀爀 挀爀甀猀琀 琀栀愀琀ഊserved mostly as a container for the ingredients and could stand up under
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਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀氀氀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀愀渀猀 猀漀 䤀 猀攀琀 漀甀琀 琀漀 猀攀攀ഊif I could verify it by scanning a number of cookbooks for recipes for
਀昀爀甀椀琀 瀀椀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 洀攀愀琀⸀ 伀甀琀 漀昀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀眀攀渀琀礀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀Ⰰ 䘀爀攀渀挀栀ഊand German cookbooks from the 14th to 16th century one percent or fewer
਀爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 昀漀爀 昀爀甀椀琀 瀀椀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 琀眀漀 挀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀 眀栀椀氀攀 琀眀攀氀瘀攀ഊpercent of all the 16th century recipes were for fruit only pies.
਀ഊThese are imperfect statistics since most of my 16th C. sources were German
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਀ഊDate: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:59:41 EDT
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 圀伀䰀䘀䴀伀䴀匀䌀䄀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Mincemeat Pies
਀ഊIn a message dated 98-10-12 08:59:16 EDT, Tyrca wrote:
਀㰀㰀 䐀椀搀 琀栀攀礀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 甀猀攀 洀攀愀琀 椀渀 洀椀渀挀攀洀攀愀琀 瀀椀攀猀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀  伀爀 椀猀 洀礀 昀愀洀椀氀礀ഊ  just an abberation?  Any recipes?  Anyone? >>
਀ഊThe Good Hous-wives Treasurie, 1588
਀ഊTo Make Minst Pyes
਀ഊTake your Veale and perboyle it a little, or mutton.  Then set it a cooling:
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਀瘀攀爀礀 琀栀椀渀 愀渀搀 洀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀洀 瘀攀爀礀 猀洀愀氀氀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 愀 瀀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 挀甀爀爀愀渀猀Ⰰ 猀椀砀ഊdates, half a pound of prunes.  Laye Currans and Dates upon the top of your
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਀氀椀琀琀氀攀 刀漀猀攀眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 最漀漀搀 搀攀愀氀攀 漀昀 匀甀最攀爀⸀ഊ
਀一漀眀Ⰰ 䤀 搀甀渀渀漀 愀戀漀甀琀 礀✀愀氀氀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 氀漀漀欀猀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 椀渀琀漀 漀渀攀 栀甀洀甀渀最甀漀甀猀 瀀椀攀⸀ഊHere's how I would do it.
਀ഊ1 lb. of cooked red meat (doesn't really matter what kind)
਀㄀⼀㈀ 氀戀⸀ 猀甀攀琀ഊ      Mince these up real small (rough grind if you've got a grinder)
਀ഊ1/2 tsp. cinnamon
਀㄀⼀㐀 琀猀瀀⸀ 瀀攀瀀瀀攀爀ഊ1/2 tsp. salt (if you wish)
਀       䴀椀砀 琀栀椀猀 椀渀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 最爀漀甀渀搀 洀攀愀琀⸀ഊ
਀㈀ 栀愀爀搀ⴀ戀漀椀氀攀搀 攀最最 礀漀氀欀猀ഊ2 Tbsp. rosewater
਀㈀ 吀戀猀瀀⸀ 猀甀最愀爀ഊ        Mash these together, then mix it in with the meat
਀ഊFinely minced peel of 1/2 of a lemon (or orange)
਀㠀 瀀爀甀渀攀猀Ⰰ 昀椀渀攀氀礀 洀椀渀挀攀搀ഊ2 c. minced apple or pear
਀         䴀椀砀 琀栀椀猀 椀渀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 洀攀愀琀ഊ
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਀䴀椀渀挀攀 ㄀⼀㐀 挀⸀ 漀昀 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 ㌀ 搀愀琀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 猀挀愀琀琀攀爀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊmixture.
਀ഊTop with a crust if you wish, or simply cover the pie with tinfoil.  Bake at
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਀ഊServe hot.
਀ഊI remember my Grandmother's first taste of a Dromedary mix mince pie.  She was
਀栀攀愀爀搀 琀漀 挀漀洀瀀氀愀椀渀 戀椀琀琀攀爀氀礀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀渀✀琀 洀椀渀挀攀洀攀愀琀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀愀猀 洀椀渀挀攀 昀爀甀椀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊhow dare they lie to her on the box.  ;-)
਀ഊWolfmother
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ 　㘀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　　 　㤀㨀㐀㠀㨀㌀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: "Jeff Gedney" <JGedney at dictaphone.com>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ䴀甀猀Ⰰ 䈀爀攀椀 愀渀搀 挀漀渀昀甀猀椀漀渀ഊ
਀䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀 ⠀氀漀渀最 洀愀礀 栀攀 眀愀瘀攀⤀ 搀椀搀 眀爀椀琀攀㨀ഊ> Oh, definitely! A terrine, though, is generally made from raw meat,
਀㸀 攀琀挀⸀Ⰰ 瀀愀挀欀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 愀渀 攀愀爀琀栀攀渀眀愀爀攀 瀀漀琀⼀洀漀氀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀愀欀攀搀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀攀 愀 洀漀爀琀爀攀眀猀ഊ> is, as far as I know, invariably made from minced, and pounded,
਀㸀 瀀爀攀瘀椀漀甀猀氀礀 挀漀漀欀攀搀 洀攀愀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀栀椀挀欀攀渀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 戀爀攀愀搀 漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀琀愀爀挀栀礀ഊ> stuff. 
਀ഊHeiatt has a Caudon of Beef in an "Ordinance of Pottage", which reads
਀愀猀 愀 洀椀渀挀攀搀 戀攀攀昀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 洀漀氀搀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀漀欀攀搀 椀渀 愀 ∀䌀漀昀昀椀渀∀⸀ഊ
਀㸀 䄀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 洀漀爀琀爀攀眀猀 戀攀椀渀最 洀漀氀搀攀搀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 愀 渀椀挀攀 椀搀攀愀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊ> makes sense, but how much evidence do you really have for this actually
਀㸀 戀攀椀渀最 搀漀渀攀㼀 䤀琀 漀挀挀甀爀猀 琀漀 洀攀 琀栀愀琀 甀渀氀攀猀猀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 漀爀 愀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀ഊ> reference to mortrews in connection with molds, a feast description, or
਀㸀 猀漀洀攀 猀甀挀栀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 礀漀甀 洀愀礀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 栀愀瘀攀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 愀氀氀 䤀 欀渀漀眀⤀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀ഊ> hard to make that strong a case for it. Of course it's still perfectly
਀㸀 瘀椀愀戀氀攀 愀猀 猀瀀攀挀甀氀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ
਀䴀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 琀栀攀漀爀礀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 甀猀攀搀 倀爀攀戀愀欀攀搀 洀漀氀搀攀搀 猀栀攀氀氀猀 漀昀 䌀漀昀昀椀渀 搀漀甀最栀ഊas baking dishes. Then the Dough could be broken off and given to the 
਀猀琀愀昀昀Ⰰ 漀爀 最椀瘀攀渀 漀甀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 挀爀甀猀琀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀漀漀爀⸀ ഊCertainly a number of forcemeat type recipes seem to be placed in coffins
਀戀甀琀 搀漀渀琀 漀琀栀攀爀眀椀猀攀 爀攀愀搀 氀椀欀攀 瀀椀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 椀猀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 ഊused coffin dough a lot like we sometimes bake with aluminum foil today,
਀愀猀 愀 搀椀猀瀀漀猀椀戀氀攀 搀椀猀栀 漀爀 搀椀猀栀 氀椀渀攀爀 琀漀 愀椀搀 挀氀攀愀渀甀瀀⸀ഊ
਀䘀圀䤀圀Ⰰ 愀 栀愀爀搀 挀漀昀昀椀渀 猀栀攀氀氀Ⰰ 椀渀昀甀猀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀愀琀 樀甀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 攀最最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀愀琀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊbe dandy dog fare, and I think a thrifty household would find a way use 
਀琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 眀愀猀琀攀⸀ഊ
਀戀爀愀渀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:43:41 +1200
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀渀琀漀渀椀愀 䌀愀氀瘀漀 㰀氀愀搀礀愀搀攀氀攀 愀琀 瀀愀爀愀搀椀猀攀⸀渀攀琀⸀渀稀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Fruit and Meat
਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀倀栀椀氀 吀爀漀礀 ⼀ 䜀⸀ 吀愀挀椀琀甀猀 䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<<< Some of this may be true. Can anyone give me a "dessert" dish that  
਀⨀搀漀攀猀⨀ 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀 洀攀愀琀㼀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 椀猀 洀椀渀挀攀洀攀愀琀 瀀椀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 愀氀猀漀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀  ഊmincemeat pie doesn't actually contain any meat. >>>
਀ഊIt used to; there are several extant 17th (and, I think, 16th) 
਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀  爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 挀愀氀氀椀渀最 昀漀爀 戀攀攀昀 漀爀 瘀攀愀氀Ⰰ 瀀氀甀猀 猀甀攀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 昀椀氀氀椀渀最 椀猀  ഊessentially a sausage mixture with lots of fruit mixed in.
਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊ
਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 ㄀㔀琀栀⼀㄀㘀琀栀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 挀愀氀氀椀渀最 昀漀爀 戀漀琀栀 洀攀愀琀 愀渀搀 搀爀椀攀搀 昀爀甀椀琀 愀猀 愀 ഊpie filling.  There are _still_ recipes out there for mincemeat made 
਀眀椀琀栀 洀攀愀琀⸀  䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 漀渀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䘀愀渀渀礀 䘀愀爀洀攀爀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀⸀ഊ-- 
਀䄀渀琀漀渀椀愀 搀椀 䈀攀渀攀搀攀琀琀漀 䌀愀氀瘀漀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:49:21 -0400
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀漀栀渀渀愀 䠀漀氀氀漀眀愀礀 㰀樀漀栀渀渀愀攀 愀琀 洀愀挀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Fruit and Meat
਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀  爀攀挀椀瀀攀 椀渀 洀礀 昀愀洀椀氀礀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀猀 爀攀愀氀 洀攀愀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊmincemeat. One puts up the mincemeat, lets it age and then
਀漀渀攀 洀愀欀攀猀 琀栀攀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 搀愀爀欀 昀爀甀椀琀挀愀欀攀猀 椀渀 瀀愀爀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 栀漀洀攀洀愀搀攀 洀椀渀挀攀洀攀愀琀⸀ഊOne then lets the cakes age for a suitable period of time, while soaking
਀琀栀攀洀 攀瘀攀爀礀 漀渀挀攀 椀渀 愀眀栀椀氀攀 椀渀 戀爀愀渀搀礀 漀爀 眀栀椀猀欀礀⸀ഊ
਀匀漀 琀栀愀琀 愀渀猀眀攀爀猀 琀栀攀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 戀攀椀渀最 愀 搀攀猀猀攀爀琀 搀椀猀栀 琀栀愀琀ഊcontains meat!
਀ഊAs for Mince meat recipes and mentions- part of the problem lies on the
਀猀瀀攀氀氀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀攀爀洀猀⸀ 䴀椀渀挀攀 漀爀 洀椀渀猀琀 漀爀 洀椀渀猀攀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ഊ
਀䄀昀琀攀爀 猀漀洀攀 猀攀愀爀挀栀椀渀最 栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀漀洀攀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 椀渀 挀栀爀漀渀漀氀漀最椀挀愀氀 漀爀搀攀爀 昀爀漀洀 伀䔀䐀ഊ
਀⨀㄀㔀㜀㌀⨀ 䌀⸀ 䠀伀䰀䰀夀䈀䄀一䐀 ⼀䘀爀攀渀挀栀 匀挀栀漀漀氀攀ⴀ洀愀椀猀琀攀爀⼀ 㤀㐀 伀 䰀漀爀搀攀Ⰰ 栀攀 栀愀琀栀 猀甀瀀瀀攀搀 ഊup all the brothe of this mince pie.
਀⨀㄀㔀㜀㠀⨀ 䰀礀琀攀 ⼀䐀漀搀漀攀渀猀⼀ 椀⸀ 挀椀椀椀⸀ ㄀㐀㘀 䌀栀漀瀀琀攀 漀爀 洀椀渀猀攀搀 洀攀愀琀攀⸀ഊ*1585* T. Washington tr. /Nicholay's Voy/ iii. xi. 90 b, Pies of minced
਀洀攀愀琀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀椀挀攀⸀ഊ*1604* T. DEKKER /News from Graves-end/ Ep. Ded. sig B3, Ten thousand in 
਀䰀漀渀搀漀渀 猀眀漀爀攀 琀漀 昀攀愀猀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 渀攀椀最栀戀漀爀猀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀琀栀椀渀最 戀甀琀 瀀氀甀洀ⴀ瀀漀爀爀攀搀最攀Ⰰ ഊand mince-pyes all
਀䌀栀爀椀猀琀洀愀猀⸀ഊ*1626* Bacon /Sylva/ /enticons/sect.gif46 With a good strong
਀䌀栀漀瀀瀀椀渀最ⴀ欀渀椀昀攀Ⰰ 洀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 琀眀漀 䌀愀瀀漀渀猀⸀⸀愀猀 猀洀愀氀氀 愀猀 漀爀搀椀渀愀爀礀 䴀椀渀挀攀搀 䴀攀愀琀⸀ഊ*1630* /Tincker of Turvey/ 23 If his wife puts but two fingers daintily
਀椀渀琀漀 愀 搀椀猀栀 漀昀 洀椀渀挀攀ⴀ洀攀愀琀Ⰰ 栀攀 猀眀攀愀爀攀猀 猀栀攀 洀愀欀攀猀 栀漀爀渀攀猀 愀琀 栀椀洀⸀ഊ*1662* S. PEPYS  /Diary/ 6 Jan. (1970) III. 4 We have, besides a good 
਀挀栀椀渀攀 漀昀 戀攀攀昀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 最漀漀搀 挀栀攀攀爀Ⰰ 攀椀最栀琀攀攀渀 洀椀渀挀攀ⴀ瀀椀攀猀 椀渀 愀 搀椀猀栀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 ഊnumber of the years that he hath been married.
਀⨀㄀㘀㜀㌀⨀ 吀⸀ 匀䠀䄀䐀圀䔀䰀䰀  ⼀䔀瀀猀漀洀ⴀ圀攀氀氀猀⼀ 䤀嘀Ⰰ 椀渀 ⼀圀欀猀⸀⼀ ⠀㄀㜀㈀　⤀ 䤀䤀⸀ ㈀㐀㜀 䘀漀爀 ഊcurrants to make mince-pyes with.
਀ഊ[OED doesn't list it but there's also this mention too.
਀ഊFrilingotti,a kinde of daintie chewet or mincedpie.
਀ഊJohn Florio A vvorlde of wordes, 1598]
਀ഊ
਀刀攀挀椀瀀攀 眀椀猀攀ഊ
਀吀漀 戀愀欀攀 愀 䌀漀渀渀椀攀Ⰰ 嘀攀愀氀攀Ⰰ 漀爀 䴀甀琀琀漀渀⸀ഊTAke a Conny and perboile it almoste enough, then mince the flesh of it 
਀瘀攀爀椀攀 昀椀渀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀愀欀攀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀 琀栀爀攀攀 礀漀氀欀攀猀 漀昀 栀愀爀搀 攀最最攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀椀渀挀攀 眀椀琀栀 ഊit, then lay another Conny in your Pie being perboiled, and your minced 
਀洀攀愀琀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀Ⰰ 戀攀椀渀最 猀攀愀猀漀渀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 䌀氀漀甀攀猀Ⰰ 䴀愀挀攀Ⰰ 䜀椀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 匀愀昀昀爀漀渀 倀攀瀀瀀攀爀 ☀ ഊSalt, with two dishes of sw?ete butter mixed with it, lay vpon your 
਀䌀漀渀簀渀椀攀 䈀愀爀戀攀爀椀攀猀 䜀漀漀猀攀戀攀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 最爀愀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 琀栀攀 猀洀愀氀 爀愀椀猀漀渀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀 ഊbake it.
਀ഊThomas Dawson The second part of the good hus-wiues iewell. 1597
਀ഊ-------
਀ഊA minc't pie.
਀吀愀欀攀 愀 䰀攀最最攀 漀昀 䴀甀琀琀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀甀琀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀氀攀猀栀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 戀漀渀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 ഊparboyle it well: then put to it three pound of the best Mutton suet, 
਀愀渀搀 猀栀爀攀搀 椀琀 瘀攀爀礀 猀洀愀氀氀㨀 琀栀攀渀 猀瀀爀攀愀搀 椀琀 愀戀爀漀愀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀攀愀猀漀渀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 ഊPepper and Salt, Cloues and Mace: then put in good store of Currants, 
਀最爀攀愀琀 刀愀椀猀椀渀猀 愀渀搀 倀爀甀渀攀猀 挀氀攀愀渀攀 眀愀猀栀琀 愀渀搀 瀀椀挀欀琀Ⰰ 愀 昀攀眀 䐀愀琀攀猀 猀氀椀挀✀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 ഊsome Orenge pills slic't: then being all well mixt together, put it into 
਀愀 挀漀昀昀椀渀Ⰰ 漀爀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀甀攀爀猀 挀漀昀昀椀渀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀 戀愀欀攀 琀栀攀洀㨀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 ഊserued vp open the liddes, and strow store of Sugar on the top of the 
਀洀攀愀琀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瘀瀀漀渀 琀栀攀 氀椀搀⸀ 䄀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 猀漀爀琀 礀漀甀 洀愀礀 愀氀猀漀 戀愀欀攀 䈀攀攀昀攀 漀爀 ഊVeale; onely the Beefe would not bee parboyld, and the Veale will aske a 
਀搀漀甀戀氀攀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀礀 漀昀 匀甀攀琀⸀ഊ
਀䴀愀爀欀栀愀洀Ⰰ 䜀攀爀瘀愀猀攀⸀ 吀栀攀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 栀漀甀猀攀ⴀ瘀瘀椀昀攀⸀ ㄀㘀㌀㄀ഊ----------
਀ഊThere's a long association of the pies with Christmas. In his 
਀✀䌀攀爀攀洀漀渀椀攀猀 昀漀爀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀洀愀猀猀攀∀ 琀栀攀 瀀漀攀琀 刀漀戀攀爀琀 䠀攀爀爀椀挀欀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ
਀䐀爀椀渀欀 渀漀眀 琀栀攀 猀琀爀漀渀最 䈀攀攀爀攀ⰀഊCut the white loafe here,
਀吀栀攀 眀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀 洀攀愀琀 椀猀 愀 猀栀爀攀搀搀椀渀最㬀ഊFor the rare Mince-Pie
਀䄀渀搀 琀栀攀 倀氀甀洀猀 猀琀愀渀搀 戀礀ഊTo fill the Paste that's a kneading.
਀ഊThis was published in 1648 in his collection titled Hesperides.
਀ഊLast but not least Ivan Day has a selection of recipes for mince pies on 
਀眀攀戀猀椀琀攀 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 栀攀愀搀椀渀最 䈀愀欀攀 䴀攀琀攀猀 愀渀搀 䴀椀渀挀攀 倀椀攀猀⸀ഊSee http://www.historicfood.com/Pie%20recipe2.htm
਀ഊJohnnae
਀ഊ
਀伀渀 䄀甀最 ㄀㌀Ⰰ ㈀　　㠀Ⰰ 愀琀 㘀㨀㔀㈀ 倀䴀Ⰰ 匀琀攀昀愀渀 氀椀 刀漀甀猀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊSome of this may be true. Can anyone give me a "dessert" dish that 
਀⨀搀漀攀猀⨀ 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀 洀攀愀琀㼀ഊHe answered-- The only one I could think of is mincemeat pie, but I also believe mincemeat pie doesn't actually contain any meat.
਀ഊPhil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius wrote:
਀䤀琀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀㬀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 攀砀琀愀渀琀 ㄀㜀琀栀 ⠀愀渀搀Ⰰ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀Ⰰ ㄀㘀琀栀⤀ 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 ഊrecipes calling for beef or veal, plus suet. The filling is 
਀攀猀猀攀渀琀椀愀氀氀礀 愀 猀愀甀猀愀最攀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀 眀椀琀栀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 昀爀甀椀琀 洀椀砀攀搀 椀渀⸀ഊMany modern recipes still call for the suet, though.
਀吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀氀猀漀 猀甀攀琀 椀渀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀 昀攀眀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 猀琀攀愀洀攀搀Ⰰ 戀漀椀氀攀搀 愀渀搀 戀愀欀攀搀 ഊpuddings that are sweet and eaten as desserts.
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