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Fresh cheeses such as ricotta, cream cheese and cottage cheese. Non-aged cheeses.

 

NOTE: See also the files: whey-cheeses-msg, cheese-msg, dairy-prod-msg, cheesemaking-msg, Cheese-Making-art, cheesemaking-msg, cheese-goo-msg, butter-msg.

 

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    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

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From: kellogg at rohan.sdsu.edu (kellogg)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Period soft cheeses (was: Re: Is cheesecake period?)

Date: 22 Oct 1996 17:12:26 GMT

Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services

 

Monica Cellio (mjc at telerama.lm.com) wrote:

(attribution lost) wrote:

 

: >Is cheesecake period? If so, when and where?

 

: Cheese pies of various sorts are period, but not as sweets.  The closest

: thing I know of to dessert-grade cheese pies is from Digby (1669).  The

: closest approximation for the cheese is probably ricotta or farmer's cheese.

: Cream cheese is modern.

 

        This thread aroused my curiousity, so I did some fairly extensive

web searches.  Cream cheese does seem to be an American original.

 

        Most cheese websites claim a great antiquity for cottage cheese,

unfortunately without any references.  The one soft cheese that I seem to

have found a solid period reference to is ricotta.

The Sugarplums...All About Cheese site at <URL: http://www.sugarplums.com/

fieryfeature/c.html> shows a print of a painting entitled "The Ricotta

Eaters" by one Vincenzo Campi, who is listed as having lived between

1525 and 1591.

 

        Anyone know anything else about this painting or artist?

 

                Avenel Kellough

 

 

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 16:57:29 -0400

From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>

Subject: Re: SC - white drinks and other foods

 

> I saw somewhere on the web that cream cheese was close to a period

> cheese.  Then I read that it was not in any way period. (It was a while

> ago, but I thought it was on this list?) Is it indeed period? Perioid?

 

> Angelique

 

"Philadelphia style" cream cheese, as manufactured today, couldn't

possibly be period for Western Europe, what with the Philadelphia

appelation and the emulsifying gums used to keep the butterfat from

leaking out at room temperature. On the other hand, it may resemble

cheeses made from cream in period. Certainly there are references to

"cream cheese" in, or very shortly after, period, but they mean just

that. Cheese made with cream, and sometimes not only cream. Digby's

Slipcote cheese is a good example of such a cheese, which, BTW, makes a

smashing cheese for Savoury Toasted Cheese. Trouble is, that unless you

go to England and can find someone who still makes York cheese, you have

to make it yourself.

 

Philly cream cheese really appears to be little more than "dairy sour"

cream, a.k.a. sour cream or smetana, drained in a cloth, though. Of

course, you'd need to determine the secret blend of eleven preservatives

and chemicals in order to duplicate it exactly. My reason for mentioning

all this is that it's likely that if one wanted to find a period cheese

made from sour cream, the place to look would probably be Eastern Europe

and Russia.

 

It could also be that there is no non-factory made original. It may

simply be a modern invention. For example, when trying to find Limburger

cheese in its original form, as a wheel or block of cheese, with an

edible rind of mold, which I sort of assumed because it tastes so much

like Liederkranz, I discovered that for more than a century, Limburger

has been made in the USA, by blending a mixture of different cheeses

with cream. In other words, it's not that the original form is

unavailable. It's that the stuff you can buy in the supermarket, in

jars, IS the orginal form, more or less. The name, Limburger, is a

German spelling of a place in Belgium, but the cheese appears to be

American.

 

IIRC, there is a recipe for cream cheese in Elinor Fettiplace's Receipt

Book, which involves letting cream sour overnight, and then pouring it

onto a large damask napkin, spreading it thinly. You leave it to drain,

and then roll it up like Lady Aoife's favorite, cabbage cream.

 

Adamantius  

 

 

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:42:14 -0500

From: margali <margali at 99main.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Farmer's cheese - OT sorta

 

> I have a recipe that call's for farmer's cheese. I have searched all

> the grocery chains around here for it.  But to no avail.

>...

> Or, is there a mixture I can make from two other cheeses that will end

> up resembling farmer's cheese?

>

> Kateryn de Develyn

> debh at microware.com

 

take a collander, line it with gauze, drain a large container of cottage

cheese mixed with the little one serving cup of unflavored yoghurt

overnight, then press out the rest of the whey.

 

margali

 

 

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:56:16 -0600

From: L Herr-Gelatt and J R Gelatt <liontamr at ptd.net>

Subject: SC - Re: sca-cooks V1 #442

 

Kathryn wrote:

>I have a recipe that call's for farmer's cheese. I have searched all the

grocery chains around here for it.  But to no avail.  

>

>What is it?  

>What is a reasonable substitute?  

>Can I use riccota?

>Or dry-curd cottage cheese?  

>Or is it more closely related to something else?  

>Or, is there a mixture I can make from two other cheeses that will end up

resembling farmer's cheese?

>

>Kateryn de Develyn

>debh at microware.com

 

Farmer's cheese is a rather plain, whole-milk cheese that is made "green" .

Anticipating the questions, green cheese is not actually the color green. It

is merely "unripened" or fresh. For farmer's cheese, rennet is used to make

a large curd. The curds are pressed with salt sprunkled amongst them in the

vate (cheese press). A Follower (press) and Weights are added to extract the

extra whey. It sits like this for many hours and drips whey. When it is

reasonably dry, you have plain green cheese or farmer's cheese.  Modern

store-bought cottage cheese is the closest you will get if you cannot find

farmer's cheese (we can get it easily in N.E. Penna). However, be advised

that cottage cheese is the above mentioned curds, cut smaller, with cream

added back to them after draining from the whey and a short pressing---that

cream is the "sauce" the curds are in. So you will either press the cottage

cheese to remove the liquid, or you could reduce the overall liquid in your

mixture.

 

Curd cheese would be something like cottage cheese without the added liquid,

or farmer's cheese without the pressing.

 

Aoife

 

 

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:13:55 -0500

From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" <harper at idt.net>

Subject: Re: SC - Re: carrot pie and Spanish cheese

 

And it came to pass on 13 Feb 99,, that david friedman wrote:

> >and for each two pounds of chopped carrots [use] a pound of

> >Trochon cheese and a pound and a half of buttery Pinto cheese,

> >and six ounces of fresh cheese...

>

> This looks interesting.

 

I'd be tempted to redact it myself, but my lord husband *loathes*

cooked carrots.

 

> I assume the fresh cheese would be similar to the

> fresh cheese you get in the Mexican section of the grocery; any guesses

> about Trochon or Pinto cheese?

 

> Elizabeth/Betty Cook

 

"Fresh cheese" (queso fresco) could also be translated as new

cheese, if that helps.  "Trochon" is actually Tronchon; there was a

typo, for which I apologize.  I found the following description at

www.cheese.com:

 

Tronchon

 

Description:

Traditional, creamery, semi-soft cheese made from blended cow's,

goat's and sheep's milk. It has a shape of flattened globe with deep

crater. The natural rind is smooth, glossy and it has a color of

butter. Tronchon resembles a young Caerphilly. The taste is

aromatic, with a background of white wine acidity. The

origin of the shape is obscure but it is replicated today with

moulds. The interior is bone white and has many small holes.

 

Country: Spain

Milk: cow ewe and goat milk

Texture: semi-soft

 

In a number of other recipes, the author suggests Parmesan as a

substitute for Tronchon.

 

I have not found any description of "queso de Pinto" anywhere on

the Web.  I do have access to a rather good import cheese shop

near my workplace.  Maybe I can get over there some time next

week and inquire.

 

Lady Brighid ni Chiarain

Settmour Swamp, East (NJ)

 

 

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:41:56 -0500

From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>

Subject: Re: SC - cheese questions

 

"Brian L. Rygg or Laura Barbee-Rygg" wrote:

> Cream cheese is a late 19th-century American invention.

>

> Raoghnailt

 

Yes and no. The bar of Philadelphia-style cream cheese, wrapped in

silvery foil stuff, is as you describe. Cheeses made from cream,

however, are considerably older. There are recipes for cream cheeses,

IIRC, in Digby, possibly Hugh Plat, and Elinor Fettiplace's receipt

book, all 17th century. The main difference between these and Philly

cream cheese is the emulsifying gums added to the latter; whether a

cooked dish calling for a period-style cream cheese would be massively

different when made with the chemical stuff remains to be seen.

 

Adamantius

 

 

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:01:40 -0700

From: "Brian L. Rygg or Laura Barbee-Rygg" <rygbee at montana.com>

Subject: Re: SC - cheese questions

 

I have made fresh cheese with lots of heavy cream, and the texture is not

even close to the modern stuff.

 

Raoghnailt

Stan Wyrm, Artemisia

 

 

Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:07:28 -0500

From: "catwho at bellsouth.net" <catwho at bellsouth.net>

Subject: SC - Favorite Egg Recipe

 

Well, this contains eggs (or at least the whites) but I love this!

 

White Torta

 

Platina book 8

 

Prepare a pound and a half of best fresh cheese, chopped especially

fine. Add twelve or fifteen egg whites, half a pound of sugar, half an

ounce of white ginger, half a pound of pork liquamen and as much fresh

butter. Blend in as much milk as you need. When you have blended this,

put it into a pastry crust rolled thin and put it all in a pan and set

it to bake on the hearth with a gentle flame. Then, to give it color,

put coals on the lid. When it is cooked and taken from the pan,

sprinkle ground sugar over it, with rosewater.

 

The interpretation as found in Cariodoc's Miscellany although I think

that we used all butter or either half butter half shortening instead

of the lard.  

 

1 lb fresh cheese: ricotta

8 egg whites

2/3 c sugar

1/3 oz fresh ginger

1/4 lb lard

1/4 lb butter

1/2 c milk

10" pastry shell

~2 t sugar

1 t rosewater

 

Beat egg whites to soft peaks. Soften butter and lard together at room

temperature. Fold together cheese and egg whites, then add sugar,

minced ginger, lard and butter. Mix until fairly uniform. Add milk,

fill shell. Bake at 325deg. for 40 minutes. When oil separates, it is

done. Put under broiler to brown top lightly. Sprinkle sugar and

rosewater, spread on with spoon bottom. Cool until set.

 

This is a little less butter and lard than Platina suggests, but we

found it too fatty using his quantities.

 

Melbrigda

 

 

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:29:22 -0400

From: "Bethany Public Library" <betpulib at ptdprolog.net>

Subject: Re: SC - Herb blends for soft cheeses--a question

 

Maire, try Dill and Chives, a great combination. Thinly sliced Scallions go

well with this as well. I do this all the time. Sprigs of thyme, chopped

oregano, marjoram, etc.. all go well. Try also Garlic and freshly ground

pepper. Try them out at home first.

 

You could also try serving it with sippets if you really want that cheese

and cracker effect.

 

Aoife

 

 

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:49:28 PDT

From: "Bonne of Traquair" <oftraquair at hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Herb blends for soft cheeses--a question

 

> Documentation, please?

>

> Ras

 

>From my 'celtic' feast last spring, this would be documentation for Ireland,

IIRC.  I'm pretty sure it was for fresh cheese with greenery/herbs, it might

be curds. What I served was fresh, pressed but not aged cheese with chopped

herbs mixed in.

 

Samit Cheese (Fresh Cheese w/herbs)

Source: Land of Milk and Honey: The Story of Traditional Irish Food and

Drink, Brid Mahon,  Poolbeg Press, Dublin, 1991 :  pp. 4 (archeological

evidence) 55(goat cheese), 91-2 (list of cheese types and names), 109    

follow up: Aisling Meic Con Glinne--The Vision of Mac Conglinne, Kuno Meyer

(trans) London, 1892, 5-113

 

I don't know what the refernce on pg 109 is, sorry.  The follow up is a poem

of a legendary host and the food in his lands, I have not gone back to it,

but evidently learned from somewhere that cheese and or herbs are mentioned.

 

I don't know if I ever posted my cleaned up menu and references for this,

moving day was bearing down.  If I did, I'm sure Stefan would have filed it

away under Celtic food. If I didn't, Stefan let me know and I'll send it

directly to you.  I recall trying to post another set of my notes and lot's

of people had format troubles.

 

Bonne

 

 

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:54:36 -0800

From: "Bonne of Traquair" <oftraquair at hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Re: First feasts

 

>>          Mato (Sweetened goat cheese)

>>Bonne

 

>Is there a recipe for this dish? Olwen

 

I have the recipe from Thomas Longshanks who is tranlating and slowly

redacting each recipe in a spanish manuscript into a 'direct' recipe as well

as a large quantity version made with more readily available ingredients,

for use at feasts.  He plans to publish this some day and asked me not to

share his work.

 

However, it is a simple idea:

 

Fresh goat cheese,sugar, orange flower water or rose water.  Mix. Eat. Die

from pleasure.

 

I served this with a bisket bread flavored with coriander seed in the

Fettiplace book, which I don't have at hand.  It had eggs, sugar, flour,

crushed coriander seed, done up in the same manner as other bisket bread

recipes. You can probably find one in the Miscellany or Florilegium.

 

I didn't serve the cheese spread on the cakes as I had no documentable

reason for that.  But the presence of a dish of something spreadable and a

stack of cakes nearby led to the inevitable, and it was good.

 

Bonne

 

 

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:49:00 +0200

From: UlfR <parlei-sc at algonet.se>

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Skyr?  and intro

 

Skyr is a form of fresh cheese that is mentioned in the Icelandic Sagas,

and still eaten on Iceland. Nanna, being the lucky one, lives on Iceland

where she can get hold of what is the real thing, baring any

evolution/changes that hs taken place over the last 1000 years. Here in

Sweden I have to make do with a substitute, which is the yogurt cheese.

Basically take a suitably tart yogurt, and let it drain from a thin fabric

bag.

 

ISTR that Nanna has earlier posted direction for how to make the

real thing, but you would need access to a live culture to do

that.

 

/UlfR

 

 

From: "a5foil" <a5foil at ix.netcom.com>

To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Cheese of Aragon?

Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:26:13 -0400

 

> I am going to try some recipes of Libre del Coch for a Sca commons this

> Friday. Does anyone know what Cheese of Aragon is?? It's in #50.

 

<NOTE - See the file: Guisados1-art>

 

> Andrea

> Ostgardr

 

Queso de Aragon is also known as Queso Tronchon. It definitely dates to the

Middle Ages. It was originally a goat cheese, but is now made from a blend

of cow and goat milk. It is served fresh or slightly aged, it comes from a

ring mold with a depression in the middle, sort of a like a gelatine mold or

bundt pan, but the center depression doesn't go all the way through. If you

can't get it locally, try mail-order from a Spanish food store like

www.tienda.com. If you want more info, let me know.

 

Thomas Longshanks

 

 

From: Nambeanntan at aol.com

Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:51:47 EST

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: [Sca-cooks] good soft cheese, not too old

 

I found this on the net, it tells about new and not so new cheeses

 

Cheese is commonly categorized by degree of hardness, ranging from soft and

semisoft, to hard (or firm), very hard, and blue-veined cheeses.

 

Within the soft cheese category there are soft, fresh cheeses and

soft-ripened cheeses. Soft, fresh cheeses have a high moisture level, the

most delicate flavor, and are the most perishable. A fresh cheese is

unripened and retains much of the fresh milk flavor. (Unripened describes

soft cheeses that aren't aged.) Some well-known fresh cheeses are ricotta,

cottage cheese, cream cheese, feta, and mascarpone.

 

Soft-ripened cheeses have been allowed to mature to various degrees. They

also have a high moisture content, and though mild when young, they develop

a fuller flavor as they age. They ripen inside of a powdery white rind. Brie

and Camembert (which look and taste almost identical) are the most popular;

they have a mild, earthy flavor that blends well with a host of other

flavors.

 

Annan

 

 

From: "Barbara Benson