fd-sumpt-laws-msg - 10/8/08 ਀ഊMedieval food sumptuary laws. Conspicuous consumption. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: Pearls-Law-art, p-sumpt-laws-msg, smptuary-laws-lnks, fashion-msg, med-law-art, Dresng-t-Dish-art, entertaing-fds-art, gilded-food-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:18:38 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀椀挀栀攀愀氀 㰀搀洀爀攀椀搀 愀琀 栀昀砀⸀攀愀猀琀氀椀渀欀⸀挀愀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Sumptuary laws on food ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀渀 琀栀攀 ∀挀漀昀昀礀渀猀∀ 琀栀爀攀愀搀 䜀椀猀攀氀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀攀搀㨀ഊ>> Can't check references on England's sumptuary laws, but the great pie ਀㸀㸀 眀愀猀 愀 昀椀渀攀 眀愀礀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 爀攀猀琀爀椀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 搀椀猀栀攀猀 ⴀഊ>> conspicuous consumption being very popular, especially for the ਀㸀㸀 洀攀爀挀栀愀渀琀 挀氀愀猀猀 瀀爀椀洀愀爀椀氀礀 愀昀昀攀挀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊ> Oh? What sumptuary laws on foods? I've heard of the sumptuary laws on ਀㸀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀Ⰰ 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 漀渀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 昀漀漀搀猀 戀攀椀渀最 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 昀漀爀ഊ> the noble classes but not for peasants, and vice-versa, but I wasn't aware ਀㸀 漀昀 猀甀洀瀀琀甀愀爀礀 氀愀眀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 搀椀猀栀攀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䴀漀爀攀 搀攀琀愀椀氀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀⸀ 圀栀攀渀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀猀攀 爀攀猀琀爀椀挀琀椀漀渀猀⼀氀愀眀猀㼀 䌀愀渀 礀漀甀ഊ> quote the exact laws? Anyone? ਀㸀ഊ> Stefan ਀ഊ Preliminary look found this by looking for Sumptuary laws. Sorry not much ਀爀攀愀氀氀礀 戀甀琀 搀漀攀猀 瀀漀椀渀琀 琀漀眀愀爀搀猀 匀甀洀瀀琀甀愀爀礀 昀漀漀搀 氀愀眀猀⸀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀礀攀猀渀攀琀⸀礀欀⸀挀愀⼀猀挀栀漀漀氀猀⼀瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀猀⼀洀椀搀搀氀攀愀最攀猀⼀猀甀洀瀀琀甀愀爀礀⼀猀甀洀瀀琀甀愀爀礀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀䤀渀 琀栀漀猀攀 搀愀礀 眀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 栀愀搀 挀漀洀瀀愀渀礀 漀瘀攀爀 昀漀爀 愀 洀攀愀氀 礀漀甀 栀愀搀 琀漀 猀攀爀瘀攀 愀ഊspecified number of courses depending on their class in the feudal system. ਀䤀昀 礀漀甀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀瘀椀琀椀渀最 愀 栀椀最栀 挀栀甀爀挀栀 漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀 琀漀 搀椀渀渀攀爀Ⰰ 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 愀  挀愀爀搀椀渀愀氀Ⰰഊyou would have to serve 9 courses. For guests such as bishops, archbishops, ਀漀爀 挀漀甀渀琀猀 礀漀甀 栀愀搀 琀漀 猀攀爀瘀攀 㜀 挀漀甀爀猀攀猀⸀ 䄀渀 漀爀搀椀渀愀爀礀 最漀瘀攀爀渀洀攀渀琀 漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀 挀漀甀氀搀ഊhave just 6 courses. ਀ഊ So if this is correct a great pie would get around this in that it has ਀猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 昀甀氀氀 挀漀甀爀猀攀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 漀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀  䐀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:03:40 -0800 (PST) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䠀甀攀琀琀攀 瘀漀渀 䄀栀爀攀渀猀 㰀愀栀爀攀渀猀栀愀瘀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Sumptuary laws on food ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀㸀  匀漀 椀昀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 瀀椀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 最攀琀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 椀渀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 栀愀猀ഊ> several full courses within one. ਀㸀ഊ> Da ਀ഊIt might if you are thinking nutritionally. ਀䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀戀氀攀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 戀攀ഊentertaining a cardinal, I doubt if you would ਀眀愀渀琀 琀漀 挀甀琀 挀漀爀渀攀爀猀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀愀琀⸀  䌀栀甀爀挀栀洀攀渀 眀攀爀攀ഊusually very conscious of their position and ਀洀椀最栀琀 琀愀欀攀 漀昀昀攀渀挀攀 椀昀 礀漀甀 漀昀昀攀爀攀搀 漀渀氀礀 㘀 漀爀 㜀ഊcourses when they were deserving of 9. Offending ਀挀栀甀爀挀栀洀攀渀 洀攀愀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 渀漀琀 最攀琀 琀栀愀琀ഊdispensation that you were looking for. ਀吀栀椀猀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 猀甀洀瀀琀甀愀爀礀 氀愀眀Ⰰ 椀昀 椀琀 椀猀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀Ⰰഊappears to be aimed at the nobility and not the ਀氀漀眀攀爀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀䴀䠀伀⸀ഊ ਀䠀甀攀琀琀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:25:24 -0800 (PST) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀愀爀挀甀猀 䰀漀椀搀漀氀琀 㰀洀樀氀漀椀搀漀氀琀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] Re:Sca-cooks Digest, Vol 21, Issue 125 ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀ⴀⴀⴀ 䴀椀挀栀攀愀氀 㰀搀洀爀攀椀搀 愀琀 栀昀砀⸀攀愀猀琀氀椀渀欀⸀挀愀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Preliminary look found this by looking for ਀㸀 匀甀洀瀀琀甀愀爀礀 氀愀眀猀⸀ 匀漀爀爀礀 渀漀琀 洀甀挀栀ഊ> really but does point towards Sumptuary food laws. ਀㸀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀礀攀猀渀攀琀⸀礀欀⸀挀愀⼀猀挀栀漀漀氀猀⼀瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀猀⼀洀椀搀搀氀攀愀最攀猀⼀猀甀洀瀀琀甀愀爀礀⼀ ഊsumptuary.html ਀ഊI'm sorry to say when I looked at this site, I saw ਀猀甀挀栀 栀漀氀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 洀椀最栀琀 搀爀椀瘀攀 愀 琀眀攀渀琀礀 洀甀氀攀 琀攀愀洀 琀爀愀椀渀ഊthrough. The great generalizations and blanket ਀猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀猀 樀甀猀琀 猀挀愀琀栀攀 洀攀⸀ഊ ਀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 ㄀㜀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 猀栀漀攀猀 樀甀猀琀 琀漀漀欀 洀攀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀℀ഊ ਀䤀 眀椀氀氀 猀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 愀猀 䌀栀甀爀挀栀洀攀渀 戀攀 琀栀攀礀 栀椀最栀ഊor low are any more prone to noticing or not noticing ਀琀栀攀椀爀 搀甀攀 琀栀愀渀 愀渀礀 氀愀礀瀀攀爀猀漀渀 椀渀 氀椀欀攀 爀愀渀欀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀瀀琀 琀漀ഊdo a lot less damage in retaliation! ਀ഊJohann ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㔀 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㔀 ㄀㤀㨀㈀㠀㨀㄀㈀ ⴀ　㠀　　 ⠀倀匀吀⤀ഊFrom: she not ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 刀攀㨀 猀甀洀瀀琀甀愀爀礀 氀愀眀猀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀ഊ>>> ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀礀攀猀渀攀琀⸀礀欀⸀挀愀⼀猀挀栀漀漀氀猀⼀瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀猀⼀洀椀搀搀氀攀愀最攀猀⼀猀甀洀瀀琀甀愀爀礀⼀猀甀洀瀀琀甀愀爀礀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀䤀琀 洀椀最栀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 渀甀琀爀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀⸀ഊHowever, if you were noble enough to be ਀攀渀琀攀爀琀愀椀渀椀渀最 愀 挀愀爀搀椀渀愀氀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀甀戀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊwant to cut corners like that. Churchmen were ਀甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 瘀攀爀礀 挀漀渀猀挀椀漀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀ഊmight take offence if you offered only 6 or 7 ਀挀漀甀爀猀攀猀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 搀攀猀攀爀瘀椀渀最 漀昀 㤀⸀ ⸀⸀⸀吀栀椀猀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 猀甀洀瀀琀甀愀爀礀 氀愀眀Ⰰ  ഊif it is correct, appears to be aimed at the nobility and not the ਀氀漀眀攀爀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀䴀䠀伀⸀ഊ ਀䠀甀攀琀琀攀ഊ<<< ਀ഊSumptuary laws were enacted to limit conspicuous consumption and to ਀瀀爀漀琀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀瘀椀氀攀最攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 渀漀戀椀氀椀琀礀⸀  ⠀䌀氀漀琀栀攀猀 洀愀欀礀琀栀 洀愀渀 愀渀搀 愀氀氀  ഊthat) Thus they were often specifically aimed at merchants and other ਀挀漀洀洀漀渀攀爀猀 眀栀漀 眀攀爀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 猀瀀攀渀搀 愀猀 洀甀挀栀 漀爀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀瘀椀氀攀最攀搀  ഊclass they imitated. ਀ഊ The point of getting around sumptuary laws wasn't "cutting corners", ਀戀甀琀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 眀愀礀猀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀眀愀礀 眀椀琀栀 䴀伀刀䔀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 氀愀眀 愀氀氀漀眀攀搀ⴀ 栀攀渀挀攀 琀栀攀  ഊgrete pye, which comprised a whole course in one allowable (arguably- ਀愀渀搀 戀漀礀 眀愀猀 椀琀 愀爀最甀攀搀℀⤀ 搀椀猀栀⸀ 䴀愀渀礀 愀爀攀愀猀 栀椀爀攀搀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀猀 琀漀 挀栀攀挀欀  ഊornamentation, colors, etc. on festival days to make sure the wearer ਀栀愀搀 渀漀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 栀攀 漀爀 猀栀攀 眀愀猀 攀渀琀椀琀氀攀搀 琀漀ⴀ 猀漀洀攀 眀漀甀氀搀  攀瘀攀渀 挀氀椀瀀 漀昀昀  ഊillegal buttons on the spot! The defense was often spirited, ingenious ਀愀渀搀 愀洀甀猀椀渀最⸀  刀攀愀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 爀攀猀甀氀琀椀渀最 氀攀最愀氀 瀀爀漀挀攀攀搀椀渀最猀 椀猀 愀  最漀漀搀 眀愀礀 琀漀  ഊdocument specific fashions in time/place, btw. ਀ഊThe collected Medici letters have several interesting food-related ਀戀椀琀猀㨀 漀渀攀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 愀 眀攀搀搀椀渀最 挀愀 ㄀㐀㠀　猀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀猀 琀栀攀 甀猀甀愀氀  ഊmind-boggling list of foodstuffs brought in for it, makes several ਀愀瀀瀀爀漀瘀椀渀最 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 漀猀琀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀甀猀 ∀洀漀搀攀猀琀礀∀ 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀攀愀氀猀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀Ⰰ  ഊadding "and there was never more than one roast." (in a course). As the ਀挀椀琀礀✀猀 氀攀愀搀椀渀最 昀愀洀椀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀搀椀挀椀 眀攀爀攀 戀攀椀渀最 瀀爀愀椀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 爀攀猀琀爀椀挀琀椀渀最  ഊthemselves to display appropriate for the commoners they were in ਀挀漀洀瀀愀爀椀猀漀渀 琀漀 氀攀猀猀 瀀漀眀攀爀昀甀氀 愀渀搀 洀漀爀攀 瘀甀氀最愀爀 栀漀甀猀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀最椀猀攀氀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:37:12 +0000 (GMT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 攀洀椀氀椀漀 猀稀愀戀漀 㰀攀洀椀氀椀漀开猀稀愀戀漀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀椀琀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] Italian sumptuary laws / turkey 1559 ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䜀漀漀最氀椀渀最 昀漀爀 䜀椀愀洀戀漀渀椀渀漀 搀愀 䌀爀攀洀漀渀愀 瘀椀稀⸀ 䤀愀洀戀漀渀椀渀甀猀 䌀爀攀洀漀渀攀渀猀椀猀Ⰰ 䤀 猀琀甀洀戀氀攀搀ഊupon a 700 page volume on Italian sumptuary laws including many source texts. ਀ഊThe laws cover the time span from the XIIIth to the XVIth century. ਀ഊThe introduction is in Italian, the sources are written in Latin and italian: ਀ഊhttp://www.archivi.beniculturali.it/DGA-free/Fonti/Fonti_XLI.pdf ਀ഊI haven't had the time to examine the texts. However, searching for "mangiare" I found a passage from 1559, where there is a regulation on how to use turkeys (galline d'India) and Blancmanger (mangiare biancho) in wedding feasts. ਀ഊThe quotation might add to our picture of the spread of turkey in 16th century cuisine. ਀ഊ(For those interested in the Italian text: It is on page 337 of the book, and at PDF-number 369.) ਀ഊI am sure, there is more of it, but I must leave it to other readers. ਀ഊEmilio ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㠀 䴀愀礀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㤀㨀㐀㌀㨀㄀　 ⬀　　　　 ⠀䜀䴀吀⤀ഊFrom: emilio szabo ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀 猀甀洀瀀琀甀愀爀礀 氀愀眀猀 ⼀ 琀甀爀欀攀礀 ㄀㔀㔀㤀ഊTo: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org ਀ഊ<<< There is a book that goes into the turkey in Italy. ਀䤀琀✀猀 戀礀 匀愀戀椀渀攀 䔀椀挀栀攀⸀ 䤀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 琀栀攀 琀椀琀氀攀 椀猀 倀爀攀猀攀渀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 吀甀爀欀攀礀⸀ഊReally good selection of artwork, inc. pottery and paintings. ਀ഊhttp://members.shaw.ca/seiche/pubs.html ਀ഊJohnna >>> ਀ഊThanks much! The author, Sabine Eiche writes on her site, that she might ਀挀漀洀攀 甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 愀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀㨀ഊ ਀∀ ⸀⸀⸀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀瀀攀渀琀 礀攀愀爀猀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 䐀攀氀氀愀 刀漀瘀攀爀攀㼀猀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀ഊcorrespondence to learn as much as possible about the private life and ਀挀栀愀爀愀挀琀攀爀 漀昀 攀愀挀栀 搀甀欀攀 愀渀搀 栀椀猀 昀愀洀椀氀礀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀⸀ 䄀渀 椀渀猀椀搀攀爀㼀猀 瘀椀攀眀Ⰰ 䤀ഊdecided, was essential for understanding their ambitions and ਀椀渀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀漀爀 攀瘀愀氀甀愀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 愀挀栀椀攀瘀攀洀攀渀琀猀⸀ 伀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀ഊletters lured me down unexpected byways?as happened with the turkey, ਀∀猀琀爀愀渀最攀爀 琀栀愀渀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 愀渀 愀爀琀椀猀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 攀瘀攀爀 椀洀愀最椀渀攀 搀爀愀眀椀渀最⸀∀ 吀栀愀琀ഊexcursion resulted in an article and a book on the arrival and fate of ਀琀栀攀 一攀眀 圀漀爀氀搀 琀甀爀欀攀礀 椀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 氀攀琀琀攀爀猀 愀氀猀漀 猀瀀愀爀欀攀搀 愀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀 椀渀 昀漀漀搀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀⸀ 吀栀攀 䐀攀氀氀愀ഊRovere never tired of discussing their health and diet, and the regular ਀爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 琀漀 最椀昀琀猀 漀昀 昀漀漀搀 ∀昀椀最猀Ⰰ 挀栀攀攀猀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀 最漀漀搀ഊfruits and vegetables" reminded me of the extent to which their lives ਀眀攀爀攀 猀礀渀挀栀爀漀渀椀稀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 挀礀挀氀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 礀攀愀爀Ⰰ 爀攀猀甀氀琀椀渀最 椀渀 愀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀ഊharmony that we, in modern times, have sacrificed for convenience. The ਀氀攀猀猀漀渀猀 氀攀愀爀渀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀椀爀 氀攀琀琀攀爀猀 眀椀氀氀 昀漀爀洀 琀栀攀 戀愀猀椀猀 漀昀 愀 昀甀琀甀爀攀ഊcookbook." ਀ഊBTW, there is another 1100 page volume on sumptuary laws. While the first one I sent is about the region Emilia Romagna, this one is about Umbria. ਀ഊhttp://www.archivi.beniculturali.it/DGA-free/Fonti/Fonti_XLIII.pdf ਀ഊThere is a glossary (with food entries like torta, sfogliato) and references ਀琀漀 琀栀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䔀洀椀氀椀漀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:14:36 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀愀瘀椀搀 圀愀氀搀搀漀渀 㰀搀愀瘀椀搀 愀琀 瘀愀猀琀爀攀瀀愀猀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Italian sumptuary laws / turkey 1559 ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀挀挀攀猀猀 琀漀 䐀椀猀猀攀爀琀愀琀椀漀渀 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀猀 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 愀氀猀漀 挀栀攀挀欀 漀甀琀  ഊ"Sumptuary Legislation in Renaissance Florence (Italy)" by Ronald Eug ਀刀愀椀渀攀礀⸀ 䰀漀琀猀 漀昀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 猀琀甀昀昀 椀渀 栀椀猀 搀椀猀猀攀爀琀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 戀爀漀眀猀攀搀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 椀琀 昀漀爀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀猀 愀渀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 最爀攀愀琀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀Ⰰ  ഊbut have not had time to read the whole thing. ਀ഊEduardo ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ昀搀ⴀ猀甀洀瀀琀ⴀ氀愀眀猀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ㔀 漀昀 㔀ഊ ਊ