canning-msg - 6/17/09 ਀ഊUse of canning in the SCA. Directions. Canning is a modern food process unknown within period. However, is a method that allows the same transport of food items to SCA events. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: drying-foods-msg, food-storage-msg, campfood-msg, fruits-msg, vegetables-msg, pickled-foods-msg, potted-foods-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀  栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀  栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀  愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀  漀昀  攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀  眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀  眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀  眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀  渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀  愀猀  琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀  漀昀  琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  最椀瘀攀渀  戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀  爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀  愀渀搀  攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀  琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀  琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀  挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀  漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀  椀猀  甀渀挀氀攀愀爀  愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀  椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  椀猀  瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀  昀爀漀洀  琀栀攀猀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:26:40 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䰀 䠀攀爀爀ⴀ䜀攀氀愀琀琀 愀渀搀 䨀 刀 䜀攀氀愀琀琀 㰀氀椀漀渀琀愀洀爀 愀琀 瀀琀搀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: SC - Re: sca-cooks V1 #216 ਀ഊ>From: rebecca tants ਀㸀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀攀㨀 倀攀愀爀猀ഊ> ਀㸀㸀 䄀渀礀栀漀眀Ⰰ 洀愀渀礀 洀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀Ⰰ 䤀 洀愀搀攀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 愀渀搀 挀愀渀渀攀搀 琀栀攀 瀀攀愀爀猀 昀漀爀 愀ഊ>> camping event. Even though the event was sparsely attended, I ran out of ਀㸀ഊ>Ok - pardon my ignorance here, but how did you can them? the whole "put ਀㸀琀栀攀洀 椀渀 戀愀氀氀 樀愀爀猀 愀渀搀 椀洀洀攀爀猀攀 椀渀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀 琀栀椀渀最㼀  漀爀 猀漀洀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 洀攀琀栀漀搀㼀ഊ>(mom served frozen dinners a lot and while my cooking is significantly ਀㸀戀攀琀琀攀爀Ⰰ 椀✀瘀攀 洀愀搀攀 漀渀攀 洀愀爀洀愀氀愀搀攀 猀漀 昀愀爀 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 椀琀 昀漀爀 渀漀渀ⴀ昀爀漀稀攀渀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀ഊ>food) ਀㸀 刀愀甀搀栀ഊ ਀䈀攀氀氀 樀愀爀猀Ⰰ 猀攀愀氀猀  ⠀氀椀搀猀⤀Ⰰ 栀漀琀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀愀琀栀⸀ 夀漀甀 猀琀攀爀椀氀椀稀攀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀 愀渀搀ഊlids/rings by boiling them. Turn 'em upside down to drain on a sterile ਀琀漀眀攀氀⸀ 伀渀攀 戀礀 漀渀攀 甀猀攀 愀 眀攀氀氀 瀀愀搀搀攀搀 洀椀琀琀 漀爀 琀漀渀最猀 琀漀 琀甀爀渀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀Ⰰ 昀椀氀氀Ⰰഊwipe the rim clean, put on a lid and ring, and put back in the water. Leave ਀愀猀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 愀椀爀 愀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀⸀䐀漀 渀漀琀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 琀椀最栀琀攀渀 琀栀攀 爀椀渀最猀⸀ 夀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 愀ഊloose but leak-free seal. ਀ഊBoil them for about 10 minutes. Then remove from the bath.Tighten the rings. ਀吀甀爀渀 甀瀀猀椀搀攀 搀漀眀渀 昀漀爀 愀 昀攀眀 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀 琀漀 搀攀猀琀爀漀礀 愀渀礀 戀愀挀琀攀爀椀愀 琀栀愀琀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀ഊadhered to the lids. Turn right side up, and let cool. You've been ਀猀甀挀挀攀猀猀昀甀氀 椀昀 琀栀攀 氀椀搀猀 ∀瀀漀瀀∀ 椀渀眀愀爀搀猀Ⰰ 洀愀欀椀渀最 愀 瘀愀挀甀甀洀 猀攀愀氀⸀ഊ ਀䠀愀渀搀氀攀 琀栀攀猀攀 瀀甀瀀瀀椀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀 琀漀漀氀猀 漀爀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 猀攀爀椀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀椀挀欀 漀瘀攀渀ഊmitts, since the mitts are useless when wet. ਀ഊAoife ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㌀　 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 　㠀㨀㔀㜀㨀　㄀ ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: "Marisa Herzog" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 挀愀渀渀椀渀最ഊ ਀㰀猀渀椀瀀㸀ഊBell jars, seals (lids), hot water bath. You sterilize the jars and ਀㰀猀渀椀瀀㸀ഊmitts, since the mitts are useless when wet. ਀㰀猀渀椀瀀㸀ഊ ਀䤀渀 搀漀椀渀最 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 漀昀 樀愀洀猀 眀椀琀栀 洀礀 洀漀琀栀攀爀ⴀ 猀漀洀攀眀栀攀爀攀 愀氀漀渀最 琀栀攀 氀椀渀攀 猀栀攀 猀琀漀瀀瀀攀搀ഊmessing with the boiling water... if you have two people and a bunch of oven ਀洀椀琀猀⼀瀀漀琀 栀漀氀搀攀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 椀猀 最漀椀渀最 椀渀 渀攀愀爀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 栀漀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀ഊfirst person fills the jars and the second person quickly (and carefully) puts ਀琀栀攀 氀椀搀猀 漀渀 愀渀搀 昀氀椀瀀猀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀 甀瀀猀椀搀攀 搀漀眀渀⸀  䄀戀漀甀琀 ㄀　 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀 氀愀琀攀爀 昀氀椀瀀 琀栀攀洀ഊback right side up and the seal has been made. It of course won't work if ਀眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 挀愀渀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀漀氀琀攀渀 氀愀瘀愀 猀琀愀琀攀 漀昀ഊjams/jellies/sauces- but works quite well if you are. Lay out a towel to work ਀漀渀ⴀ 琀栀愀琀 眀愀礀 搀爀椀瀀猀 挀愀渀 樀甀猀琀 戀攀 琀栀爀漀眀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 眀愀猀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 礀漀甀爀 琀愀戀氀攀 栀愀猀 猀漀洀攀ഊinsullation, and it does take a little agility! ਀ഊ- -brid ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㌀　 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㄀㨀　㜀㨀㄀㔀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: mfgunter at tddeng00.fnts.com (Michael F. Gunter) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 挀愀渀渀椀渀最ഊ ਀㸀 䤀渀 搀漀椀渀最 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 漀昀 樀愀洀猀 眀椀琀栀 洀礀 洀漀琀栀攀爀⸀ഊ> It of course won't work if ਀㸀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 挀愀渀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀漀氀琀攀渀 氀愀瘀愀 猀琀愀琀攀 漀昀ഊ> jams/jellies/sauces- but works quite well if you are. ਀ഊ> -brid ਀ഊI've been interested in canning for a long time but I've never had anyone show ਀洀攀 栀漀眀⸀  伀渀攀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 䤀✀瘀攀 最漀琀琀攀渀 栀漀洀攀洀愀搀攀 樀愀洀猀 昀爀漀洀 昀爀椀攀渀搀猀 琀栀攀 樀愀洀猀ഊhave a wax seal under the lid. Is this step necessary? ਀ഊI would love to can stuff for later in the year or for feasts in the future, ਀䤀✀瘀攀 樀甀猀琀 戀攀攀渀 挀栀椀挀欀攀渀 琀漀 琀爀礀⸀ഊ ਀夀攀爀猀ⰀഊGunthar ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㌀　 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㈀㨀㄀㔀㨀㌀㌀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Philip & Susan Troy ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 挀愀渀渀椀渀最ഊ ਀䴀愀爀椀猀愀 䠀攀爀稀漀最 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> In doing canning of jams with my mother- somewhere along the line she stopped ਀㸀 洀攀猀猀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀⸀⸀⸀ 椀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 琀眀漀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀渀搀 愀 戀甀渀挀栀 漀昀 漀瘀攀渀ഊ> mits/pot holders, and what you are canning is going in near boiling hot, the ਀㸀 昀椀爀猀琀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 昀椀氀氀猀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀 ⠀愀渀搀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀氀礀⤀ 瀀甀琀猀ഊ> the lids on and flips the jars upside down. About 10 minutes later flip them ਀㸀 戀愀挀欀 爀椀最栀琀 猀椀搀攀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀攀愀氀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 洀愀搀攀⸀  䤀琀 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 眀漀渀✀琀 眀漀爀欀 椀昀ഊ> what you are putting into the cans is not in the molten lava state of ਀㸀 樀愀洀猀⼀樀攀氀氀椀攀猀⼀猀愀甀挀攀猀ⴀ 戀甀琀 眀漀爀欀猀 焀甀椀琀攀 眀攀氀氀 椀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀⸀  䰀愀礀 漀甀琀 愀 琀漀眀攀氀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀ഊ> on- that way drips can just be thrown in the wash, and your table has some ਀㸀 椀渀猀甀氀氀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 搀漀攀猀 琀愀欀攀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 愀最椀氀椀琀礀℀ഊ> -brid ਀ഊI'm inclined to agree, in theory. This is probably one of those ਀琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀椀氀氀 眀漀爀欀 㤀㤀⸀㤀㤀㤀㤀㤀─ 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀渀 昀愀椀氀 洀椀猀攀爀愀戀氀礀ഊ.00000001 (please forgive if I include the wrong number of zeroes) ਀瀀攀爀挀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 匀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 挀愀渀 琀栀椀渀最猀 氀椀欀攀 戀攀攀昀ഊstew, and failure could mean fatalities under those circumstances, if I ਀眀攀爀攀 漀渀氀礀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 琀攀愀挀栀 漀爀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 漀渀攀 洀攀琀栀漀搀Ⰰ 䤀✀搀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊtextbook method Lady Aoife employs. On the other hand, it's probably ਀栀愀爀洀氀攀猀猀 昀漀爀 洀愀爀洀愀氀愀搀攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 眀栀礀 䤀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 搀漀 椀琀 洀礀猀攀氀昀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀礀⸀ 䤀ഊjust felt a distinction needed to be made... ਀ഊAdamantius ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㌀　 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㈀㨀㌀㘀㨀㔀㤀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Philip & Susan Troy ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 挀愀渀渀椀渀最ഊ ਀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䘀⸀ 䜀甀渀琀攀爀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 昀漀爀 愀 氀漀渀最 琀椀洀攀 戀甀琀 䤀✀瘀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 栀愀搀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 猀栀漀眀ഊ> me how. One question, when I've gotten homemade jams from friends the jams ਀㸀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 眀愀砀 猀攀愀氀 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 氀椀搀⸀ 䤀猀 琀栀椀猀 猀琀攀瀀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀㼀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 眀愀砀 猀攀愀氀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 眀愀礀 漀昀 猀攀愀氀椀渀最 愀渀搀 攀砀瀀攀氀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊair before the use of vacuum-sealed (Ball, etc.) jars came into ਀眀椀搀攀猀瀀爀攀愀搀 甀猀攀⸀ 䤀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 愀 挀愀猀攀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 昀漀爀最攀琀琀椀渀最 眀栀礀 椀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀爀攀ഊand assuming it was still essential. Or, I could be talking through my ਀栀愀琀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀猀 琀漀漀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀漀瘀攀 琀漀 挀愀渀 猀琀甀昀昀 昀漀爀 氀愀琀攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 礀攀愀爀 漀爀 昀漀爀 昀攀愀猀琀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀甀琀甀爀攀Ⰰഊ> I've just been chicken to try. ਀ഊThere are plenty of books devoted to the entire spectrum of food ਀瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀椀猀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 ∀吀栀攀 䨀漀礀 漀昀ഊCooking", although I understand the newest edition is going to be a ਀瀀爀攀琀琀礀Ⰰ 氀椀欀攀Ⰰ 圀椀氀搀 愀渀搀 䌀爀愀稀礀 㤀　✀猀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀攀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 洀愀礀 猀甀昀昀攀爀ഊfrom Irrelevance. The books I'm thinking of are Jocasta Inness' "The ਀䌀漀甀渀琀爀礀 䬀椀琀挀栀攀渀∀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 漀渀攀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀倀甀琀琀椀渀最 䘀漀漀搀 䈀礀∀Ⰰ 眀栀漀猀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀ഊI forget. ਀ഊAnd don't forget the Usenet Newsgroup rec.food.preserving as a resource ਀昀漀爀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 洀椀最栀琀 渀漀琀 戀攀 愀搀搀爀攀猀猀攀搀 戀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 戀漀漀欀猀⸀ 䈀攀椀渀最ഊin the pursuit of keeping food from poisoning you, the folks there are ਀最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀 愀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀椀戀氀攀 愀渀搀 眀攀氀氀ⴀ椀渀昀漀爀洀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䘀漀爀 眀栀愀琀 椀琀✀猀 眀漀爀琀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 琀栀椀猀 洀漀猀琀氀礀 愀猀 愀 挀甀爀椀漀猀椀琀礀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀ഊillegal in New York City, my home town, to sell home-canned food in ਀爀攀猀琀愀甀爀愀渀琀猀⸀ 匀漀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀 挀栀攀昀 椀渀 愀 一夀䌀 爀攀猀琀愀甀爀愀渀琀 洀愀礀 洀愀欀攀 愀氀氀 洀愀渀渀攀爀ഊof preserves, pickles, and chutneys, they cannot be canned prior to sale ਀椀渀 愀 爀攀猀琀愀甀爀愀渀琀Ⰰ 攀椀琀栀攀爀 椀渀 漀爀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 樀愀爀⸀ 䤀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀 琀栀愀琀ഊother municipalities, counties, or whatever, may have health codes that ਀搀椀昀昀攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 椀琀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀 氀攀最愀氀 爀愀洀椀昀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀 眀漀爀琀栀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最ഊinto locally. I hope this doesn't create another thread like the one ਀愀戀漀甀琀 愀氀挀漀栀漀氀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀吀攀渀琀愀琀椀瘀攀氀礀ⰀഊAdamantius ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㌀　 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㈀㨀㔀㄀㨀㌀㜀 ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Mark Schuldenfrei ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 挀愀渀渀椀渀最ഊ ਀  吀栀攀 眀愀砀 猀攀愀氀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 眀愀礀 漀昀 猀攀愀氀椀渀最 愀渀搀 攀砀瀀攀氀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊ air before the use of vacuum-sealed (Ball, etc.) jars came into ਀  眀椀搀攀猀瀀爀攀愀搀 甀猀攀⸀ 䤀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 愀 挀愀猀攀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 昀漀爀最攀琀琀椀渀最 眀栀礀 椀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀爀攀ഊ and assuming it was still essential. Or, I could be talking through my ਀  栀愀琀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀猀 琀漀漀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀攀 唀匀 䜀漀瘀攀爀渀洀攀渀琀 栀愀猀 洀愀渀礀 栀愀渀搀漀甀琀猀 漀渀 栀漀眀 琀漀 挀愀渀Ⰰ 猀愀昀攀氀礀⸀  倀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀ഊas a throwback to the WWII era. Ask your state of federal Agricultural ਀爀攀瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀愀琀椀瘀攀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ吀椀戀漀爀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:43:58 -0400 (EDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 唀搀甀椀搀漀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: SC - canning ਀ഊIn a message dated 97-07-30 15:26:20 EDT, Master Adamantius wrote: ਀ഊ<< Since there are people who can things like beef stew, and failure could ਀洀攀愀渀 昀愀琀愀氀椀琀椀攀猀 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 挀椀爀挀甀洀猀琀愀渀挀攀猀Ⰰ 椀昀 䤀 眀攀爀攀 漀渀氀礀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 琀攀愀挀栀 漀爀ഊrecommend one method, I'd recommend the textbook method Lady Aoife ਀攀洀瀀氀漀礀猀⸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䤀 愀瀀漀氀漀最椀稀攀 昀漀爀 ∀挀漀爀爀攀挀琀椀渀最∀ 礀漀甀 猀漀洀攀眀栀愀琀Ⰰ 洀✀氀漀爀搀⸀ 䈀甀琀 䤀 挀愀渀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀ഊthe textbook method recommended by Lady Aoife. although fine for acid fruits ਀氀椀欀攀 琀漀洀愀琀漀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀Ⰰ 漀爀 昀漀爀 樀愀洀猀 愀渀搀 樀攀氀氀椀攀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 一䔀嘀䔀刀 戀攀ഊused for canning vegetables or , especially meat! ਀ഊI have 3 dozen jars of vegetables and soups, stewa, lamb, chicken, beef, pork ਀琀栀愀琀 䤀 愀洀 戀爀椀渀最椀渀最 琀漀 圀愀爀⸀ 圀栀攀渀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 琀栀漀猀攀 椀琀攀洀猀 琀栀攀 伀一䰀夀 匀䄀䘀䔀 眀愀礀 椀猀 琀漀ഊpressure can meats and items with meat in them for 90 minutes at 10 lbs. ਀瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀⸀ 嘀攀最攀琀愀戀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 挀愀渀渀攀搀 昀漀爀 ㌀　ⴀ㐀㔀 洀椀渀猀⸀ 愀琀 ㄀　 氀戀猀⸀ 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀⸀ഊSome of the nasty pathonegenic germs can only be killed by the intense ਀瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 愀渀搀 栀攀愀琀 最攀渀攀爀愀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀椀猀 洀攀琀栀漀搀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 眀愀礀 椀猀 琀漀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀 洀攀愀琀猀 昀漀爀 ㌀ 栀爀猀⸀ 椀渀 愀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀 戀愀琀栀 愀渀搀ഊvegetables and fruits that are non-acid for 90 mins. in a boiling water bath. ਀䄀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 甀猀攀 琀栀椀猀 洀攀琀栀漀搀 爀愀爀攀氀礀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀愀猀 搀攀 爀椀最漀甀爀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 挀愀渀渀攀爀猀ഊbecame available. ਀ഊThirdly, only use wax on jams, jellies and marmelade. ਀ഊFinally, if you use a pressure canner NEVER turn your jars upside down. Such ਀愀挀琀椀漀渀 挀愀渀 愀渀搀 搀漀攀猀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀 攀砀瀀氀漀猀椀漀渀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀⸀ 匀椀洀瀀氀礀 瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 礀漀甀爀 氀椀搀猀ഊin hot water for several minutes before applying them to the jar will ਀猀琀攀爀椀氀椀稀攀 琀栀攀洀 猀甀昀昀椀挀椀攀渀琀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀㰀㰀伀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 栀愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 栀愀爀洀氀攀猀猀 昀漀爀 洀愀爀洀愀氀愀搀攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 眀栀礀 䤀ഊusually do it myself that way. I just felt a distinction needed to be made... ਀ ഊ Adamantius >> ਀ഊIn the marmalade assessment your are indeed correct. :-) ਀ഊLord Ras ( who if he wasn't up to his ears in hot water probably is now. :-0) ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㌀　 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㈀㨀㔀㐀㨀㈀　 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: kat ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀䔀㨀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最⼀眀愀砀 猀攀愀氀猀ഊ ਀刀愀甀搀栀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 愀猀欀攀搀㨀ഊ ਀伀欀 ⴀ 瀀愀爀搀漀渀 洀礀 椀最渀漀爀愀渀挀攀  栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀漀眀 搀椀搀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 琀栀攀洀㼀  琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀ഊ"put them in ball jars and immerse in boiling water thing? or some ਀漀琀栀攀爀 洀攀琀栀漀搀㼀ഊ ਀愀渀搀Ⰰ 琀漀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀✀猀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀Ⰰ 䈀爀椀搀 愀搀搀攀搀㨀ഊ ਀䈀攀氀氀 樀愀爀猀Ⰰ 猀攀愀氀猀  ⠀氀椀搀猀⤀Ⰰ 栀漀琀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀愀琀栀⸀ 㰀猀渀椀瀀㸀ഊ ਀䤀渀 搀漀椀渀最 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 漀昀 樀愀洀猀 眀椀琀栀 洀礀 洀漀琀栀攀爀ⴀ 猀漀洀攀眀栀攀爀攀 愀氀漀渀最 琀栀攀 氀椀渀攀 猀栀攀ഊstopped messing with the boiling water... ਀ഊActually (isn't it funny how everything comes back to: "Well, MY mom ਀愀氀眀愀礀猀⸀⸀⸀∀⤀ 洀礀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 渀攀瘀攀爀 甀猀攀搀 愀 栀漀琀ⴀ眀愀琀攀爀 戀愀琀栀 昀漀爀 樀愀洀猀 愀渀搀 樀攀氀氀椀攀猀㬀ഊthey used the wax seal method instead. The lid and ring were placed on ਀愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀 眀愀猀 挀漀漀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 猀攀愀氀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀愀昀昀椀渀 愀琀ഊleast 3/4" thick, then ants can't smell through it and therefore won't ਀挀栀攀眀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 椀琀㬀 愀渀搀 礀漀甀爀 樀攀氀氀椀攀猀 ⠀搀攀瘀漀椀搀 漀昀 愀渀礀 漀砀礀最攀渀 椀渀琀攀爀愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀礀⤀ഊwill keep indefinitely. The trick: The insides of the jar MUST be ਀挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 挀氀攀愀渀 愀戀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 漀昀 琀栀攀 樀攀氀氀礀⸀  䘀漀漀搀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀氀攀猀 漀爀 最爀攀愀猀攀ഊwill ruin the wax seal. ਀ഊI don't know if they found this easier than using the hot-water bath; or ਀椀昀 琀栀攀礀 樀甀猀琀 搀椀搀 椀琀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 栀漀眀 吀䠀䔀䤀刀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 搀椀搀 椀琀⸀⸀⸀ 䤀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀ഊI should ask someday... ਀ഊAdamantius added, ਀ഊThere are plenty of books devoted to the entire spectrum of food ਀瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ㰀猀渀椀瀀㸀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 漀渀攀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀倀甀琀琀椀渀最 䘀漀漀搀 䈀礀∀Ⰰ 眀栀漀猀攀ഊauthor I forget. ਀ഊI'm tempted to say Kurt Saxon but I'll probably be wrong.... ਀ഊ - kat ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㌀　 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㐀㨀㔀㠀㨀㌀㄀ ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: Lark Miller ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 挀愀渀渀椀渀最ഊ ਀一漀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 眀愀砀 椀猀 渀漀琀 渀攀攀搀攀搀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 甀猀椀渀最 愀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 氀椀搀⸀  吀栀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 搀椀猀欀ഊthat fits on the jar before the actual lid is screwed on. Like Brid says ਀琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 洀甀猀琀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀 氀椀搀 漀渀 愀猀 猀漀漀渀 愀猀 琀栀攀 樀攀氀氀礀⼀樀愀洀 攀琀挀⸀ 椀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊjar. (If you get surejell for your jellies they give you directions for ਀挀漀氀搀 瀀愀挀欀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 琀栀攀 栀漀琀 瀀愀挀欀⤀⸀ഊyou can can other things... I can peaches and pears. I just cut up the ਀昀爀甀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 猀琀攀爀椀氀椀稀攀搀 樀愀爀 愀渀搀 愀搀搀 愀 ㄀⼀㈀ 琀漀 ㌀⼀㐀 挀甀瀀 猀甀最愀爀 愀渀搀 愀搀搀 眀愀琀攀爀ഊto fill up the jar to about an 1/8 of an inch from the top of the jar. Put ਀琀栀攀 琀漀瀀猀 愀渀搀 氀椀搀猀 漀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 䤀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀 椀渀 愀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀 戀愀琀栀 昀漀爀ഊ1/2 hour. Take them out and let them cool. You will hear them popping and ਀琀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 猀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 猀攀愀氀椀渀最⸀  倀氀愀挀攀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 礀漀甀爀 挀愀戀椀渀攀琀 愀渀搀 氀攀琀 琀栀攀洀ഊbe until you want to eat them. I still have some peaches I canned in 1992 ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 最愀爀愀最攀⸀  䤀 欀攀攀瀀 昀漀爀最攀琀琀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀洀⸀  䈀甀琀 䤀 瀀甀氀氀 漀甀琀 愀 樀愀爀 攀瘀攀爀礀ഊso often and they taste great. ਀夀漀甀 挀愀渀 栀漀琀 瀀愀挀欀 琀漀洀愀琀漀 猀愀甀挀攀 愀渀搀 瀀椀挀愀渀琀攀 猀愀甀挀攀 琀漀漀⸀ഊ ਀䰀甀挀椀氀氀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:22:59 -0400 (EDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀愀爀欀 匀挀栀甀氀搀攀渀昀爀攀椀 㰀猀挀栀甀氀搀礀 愀琀 愀戀攀氀⸀䴀䄀吀䠀⸀䠀䄀刀嘀䄀刀䐀⸀䔀䐀唀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - RE: canning/wax seals ਀ഊAdamantius mentioned: ਀  吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 瀀氀攀渀琀礀 漀昀 戀漀漀欀猀 搀攀瘀漀琀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 攀渀琀椀爀攀 猀瀀攀挀琀爀甀洀 漀昀 昀漀漀搀ഊ preservation, and there's one called "Putting Food By", whose ਀  愀甀琀栀漀爀 䤀 昀漀爀最攀琀⸀ഊ ਀䰀攀琀✀猀 栀攀愀爀 ㌀ 挀栀攀攀爀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀 漀昀 䌀漀渀最爀攀猀猀℀ഊ ਀倀甀琀琀椀渀最 昀漀漀搀 戀礀 ഊ Janet Greene, Ruth Hertzberg, Beatrice Vaughan. ਀     一攀眀 夀漀爀欀 㨀 䐀甀琀琀漀渀Ⰰ 嬀㄀㤀㤀㄀崀 ഊ vi, 420 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. ਀     刀攀瀀爀椀渀琀⸀ 伀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀㨀 䈀爀愀琀琀氀攀戀漀爀漀Ⰰ 嘀琀⸀ 㨀 匀⸀ 䜀爀攀攀渀攀 倀爀攀猀猀Ⰰഊ 1973. "A Janet Greene book." ਀     䤀渀挀氀甀搀攀猀 戀椀戀氀椀漀最爀愀瀀栀椀挀愀氀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 ⠀瀀⸀ ㌀㤀㔀ⴀ㐀　㐀⤀ 愀渀搀 椀渀搀攀砀⸀ഊ Call Number LCCN Dewey Decimal ISBN/ISSN ਀     吀堀㘀　㄀ ⸀䠀㔀㐀 ㄀㤀㤀㄀ऀ㤀㄀　　　㄀㜀㤀 ⼀⼀爀㤀㄀ऀ㘀㐀㄀⸀㐀ऀऀ　㔀㈀㔀㤀㌀㌀㐀㈀㔀ഊ ਀ऀ吀椀戀漀爀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:26:04 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䰀愀爀欀 䴀椀氀氀攀爀 㰀氀甀挀椀氀氀愀 愀琀 瀀漀渀礀攀砀瀀爀攀猀猀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - canning ਀ഊMost of the better cookbooks available today give directions for canning. ਀吀栀攀礀 愀氀猀漀 氀椀猀琀 眀栀愀琀 琀礀瀀攀猀 漀昀 昀漀漀搀 愀爀攀 戀攀猀琀 昀漀爀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 眀愀礀猀⸀  䈀攀攀昀ഊStew would be one that they would not recommend for hot packing. But, ਀樀愀洀猀Ⰰ 樀攀氀氀椀攀猀Ⰰ 琀漀洀愀琀漀 猀愀甀挀攀猀 愀渀搀 瀀椀挀愀渀琀攀 猀愀甀挀攀猀 挀愀渀 愀氀氀 戀攀 栀漀琀 瀀愀挀欀攀搀⸀ഊLook in the cookbook and find out how they can the different kinds of ਀昀漀漀搀猀 愀渀搀 昀漀氀氀漀眀 琀栀漀猀攀 搀椀爀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ഊ ਀䰀甀挀椀氀氀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:05:44 -0600 (MDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䨀愀洀攀礀 刀⸀ 䰀愀琀栀爀漀瀀∀ 㰀樀氀愀琀栀爀漀瀀 愀琀 甀渀洀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - canning, very serious ਀ഊ> In doing canning of jams with my mother- somewhere along the line she stopped ਀㸀 洀攀猀猀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀⸀⸀⸀ 椀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 琀眀漀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀渀搀 愀 戀甀渀挀栀 漀昀 漀瘀攀渀ഊ> mits/pot holders, and what you are canning is going in near boiling hot, the ਀㸀 昀椀爀猀琀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 昀椀氀氀猀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀 ⠀愀渀搀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀氀礀⤀ 瀀甀琀猀ഊ> the lids on and flips the jars upside down. About 10 minutes later flip them ਀㸀 戀愀挀欀 爀椀最栀琀 猀椀搀攀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀攀愀氀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 洀愀搀攀⸀  䤀琀 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 眀漀渀✀琀 眀漀爀欀 椀昀ഊ> what you are putting into the cans is not in the molten lava state of ਀㸀 樀愀洀猀⼀樀攀氀氀椀攀猀⼀猀愀甀挀攀猀ⴀ 戀甀琀 眀漀爀欀猀 焀甀椀琀攀 眀攀氀氀 椀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀⸀  䰀愀礀 漀甀琀 愀 琀漀眀攀氀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀ഊ> on- that way drips can just be thrown in the wash, and your table has some ਀㸀 椀渀猀甀氀氀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 搀漀攀猀 琀愀欀攀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 愀最椀氀椀琀礀℀ഊ> -brid ਀ഊIt's important to note that the USDA no longer recognizes the open kettle ਀洀攀琀栀漀搀 漀昀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 ⠀瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 攀砀琀爀攀洀攀氀礀 栀漀琀 昀漀漀搀 椀渀琀漀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 栀漀琀 樀愀爀 愀渀搀ഊhoping for a good seal) as safe!!!! Yes, I realize that our grandmothers ਀愀渀搀 洀漀琀栀攀爀猀 挀愀渀渀攀搀 洀愀渀礀 樀愀洀猀 愀渀搀 樀攀氀氀椀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 甀猀 栀愀瘀攀ഊprobably eaten them and lived to tell about it, but please don't do it. ਀䄀挀椀搀 昀漀漀搀猀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀攀搀 椀渀 愀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀 戀愀琀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 氀漀眀 愀挀椀搀ഊfoods must be pressure canned to ensure their safety. ਀ഊThe best place for someone interested in canning to start reading is the ਀䈀愀氀氀 䈀氀甀攀 䈀漀漀欀 漀爀 琀栀攀 䬀攀爀爀 䠀漀洀攀 䌀愀渀渀椀渀最 愀渀搀 䘀爀攀攀稀椀渀最 䜀甀椀搀攀⸀  伀渀攀 漀爀 戀漀琀栀ഊof these should be readily available at your local Wal-Mart next to the ਀挀愀渀渀椀渀最 猀甀瀀瀀氀椀攀猀 ⠀䤀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀渀 漀爀搀攀爀 昀漀爀洀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䬀攀爀爀 戀漀漀欀ഊin a box of jars, on the outside of the box containing the lids and ਀爀椀渀最猀⤀⸀  䈀愀氀氀 愀渀搀 䬀攀爀爀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 洀愀樀漀爀 洀愀渀甀昀愀挀琀甀爀攀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀愀猀漀渀ⴀ琀礀瀀攀 樀愀爀猀ഊand they are well acquainted with the CURRENTLY APPROVED safe canning ਀洀攀琀栀漀搀猀⸀  䜀攀琀 愀 开一䔀圀开 挀漀瀀礀 愀渀搀 昀愀洀椀氀椀愀爀椀稀攀 礀漀甀爀猀攀氀昀 琀栀漀爀漀甀最栀氀礀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀ഊinstructions for the type of canning you're interested in. I have both of ਀琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 愀渀搀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 戀漀琀栀Ⰰ 椀昀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀⸀  吀栀攀渀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀ഊsome of the older cookbooks (and new ones who downplay or ignore the ਀挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 猀愀昀攀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 最甀椀搀攀氀椀渀攀猀⤀ 愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀猀攀 漀昀 洀愀渀礀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀Ⰰഊdetermine the proper processing times for your product at your altitude. ਀ഊAs for the wax seals, that is an older method intended to keep both bugs ਀愀渀搀 愀椀爀 漀甀琀⸀  吀栀攀漀爀攀琀椀挀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 琀栀攀渀 挀漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀 眀椀琀栀 眀愀砀攀搀 瀀愀瀀攀爀ഊor some other thing to keep the jars dust free. It's no longer ਀爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀攀搀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 搀漀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 栀漀洀攀洀愀搀攀 樀攀氀氀椀攀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 栀愀瘀攀 愀ഊshorter shelf-life and good-taste-life, are sometimes topped off with a ਀眀愀砀攀搀 搀椀猀欀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 䤀䴀䴀䔀䐀䤀䄀吀䔀䰀夀 猀琀漀爀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 爀攀昀爀椀最攀爀愀琀漀爀 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀礀 眀椀氀氀ഊbe consumed in a relatively short period of time. ਀ഊAll this said, not that long ago I ALSO was "chicken" to try some home ਀挀愀渀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀眀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 椀琀 愀渀搀 攀渀樀漀礀 椀琀⸀  䤀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 椀渀琀椀洀椀搀愀琀椀渀最 愀琀ഊfirst, but give it a try and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. ਀匀椀渀挀攀 洀愀渀礀 昀爀甀椀琀猀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀攀愀欀Ⰰ 洀礀 栀甀猀戀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀ഊcanning some exotic jams and jellies and are getting a head start on our ਀䌀栀爀椀猀琀洀愀猀 最椀昀琀 戀愀猀欀攀琀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀 礀攀愀爀℀ ഊ ਀䄀氀氀攀最爀愀 䈀攀愀琀椀 ⠀瀀愀爀愀渀漀椀搀 愀渀搀 渀攀甀爀漀琀椀挀 愀猀 甀猀甀愀氀ⴀⴀ 䤀✀氀氀 猀琀椀挀欀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 唀匀䐀䄀ഊon this one!) ਀ഊjlathrop at unm.edu ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㌀　 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㈀㌀㨀㄀㔀㨀㈀㜀 ⴀ　㜀　　 ⠀倀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: rousseau at scn.org (Anne-Marie Rousseau) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀䔀㨀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最⼀眀愀砀 猀攀愀氀猀ഊ ਀吀椀戀漀爀 琀攀氀氀猀 甀猀 愀戀漀甀琀㨀㸀  ഊ>Putting food by ਀㸀     䨀愀渀攀琀 䜀爀攀攀渀攀Ⰰ 刀甀琀栀 䠀攀爀琀稀戀攀爀最Ⰰ 䈀攀愀琀爀椀挀攀 嘀愀甀最栀愀渀⸀ഊ> New York : Dutton, [1991] ਀ഊI highly recommend this book. ਀ⴀ ⴀⴀ䄀渀渀攀ⴀ䴀愀爀椀攀Ⰰ 洀甀氀琀椀瀀氀攀 戀氀甀攀 爀椀戀戀漀渀 眀椀渀渀攀爀 昀漀爀 栀攀爀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀猀Ⰰ 樀愀洀猀Ⰰ 猀愀氀猀愀猀 ഊand canned fruits. ਀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀⬀ഊAnne-Marie Rousseau ਀爀漀甀猀猀攀愀甀 愀琀 猀挀渀⸀漀爀最ഊSeattle, Washington ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㈀ 䄀甀最 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㤀㨀㌀　㨀㄀㜀 ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Uduido at aol.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 挀愀渀渀椀渀最ഊ ਀㰀㰀 渀漀爀洀愀氀 愀椀爀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 椀猀ഊ about 15 lbs/ sq in. So should I infer that it blows its top when the ਀ 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 椀渀猀椀搀攀 椀猀 ㄀㌀ 氀戀猀⼀ 猀焀 椀渀 最爀攀愀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 漀甀琀猀椀搀攀 愀椀爀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 漀昀ഊ 15 lbs/ sq in for a total of 28? Is this the standard for pressure ਀ 挀漀漀欀椀渀最㼀ഊ >> ਀ഊYes, it is in addition to (that is to say greater than normal air pressure. I ਀戀漀甀最栀琀 洀椀渀攀 愀琀 愀 礀愀爀搀 猀愀氀攀 昀漀爀 ␀㔀⸀　　 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 氀愀搀礀 眀愀猀 ∀愀昀爀愀椀搀∀ 漀昀 椀琀⸀ 吀栀攀ഊsafety valve on mine is the lowest setting you can purchase. I do not know if ਀椀琀 椀猀 愀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀 猀愀昀攀琀礀 瘀愀氀瘀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀⸀ 䤀 戀漀甀最栀琀 椀琀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 䤀ഊwanted to be "safe" rather than sorry. ਀ഊLord Ras ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀ 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 　㤀㨀㄀　㨀㌀　 䔀匀吀ഊFrom: LrdRas ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 猀栀愀洀攀氀攀猀猀 戀攀最最椀渀最ഊ ਀㰀㰀 䰀攀琀猀 猀琀愀爀琀 愀 渀攀眀 琀栀爀攀愀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 眀栀愀琀 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀ഊ wonderful stocks we have (I'm presuming we all have, it is a cooks list, ਀   椀猀渀琀 椀琀㼀⤀ 氀攀昀琀 漀瘀攀爀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 栀漀氀椀搀愀礀 昀攀愀猀琀猀⸀  䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀漀瘀攀 琀漀 搀漀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最ഊ period, >> ਀ഊI reduce my stock to 1/2 or 2/3 and pressure can it in pints and quarts. A ਀瘀攀爀礀 氀愀爀最攀 瀀漀爀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 挀愀氀氀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 最漀漀搀 猀琀漀挀欀 愀渀搀ഊthis makes it handy to have year round.. It can be used as is or reconstituted ਀戀礀 愀搀搀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀琀爀攀渀最琀栀 礀漀甀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀渀 攀砀挀攀氀氀攀渀琀 眀愀礀 琀漀 愀瘀漀椀搀ഊthe canned broths available commersially and saves time and dollars. ਀ഊUnfortunately, I do not have any left from holiday cooking. It's all in jars ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀猀攀洀攀渀琀㸀 㠀 瀀椀渀琀猀 漀昀 琀甀爀欀攀礀 戀爀漀琀栀 愀渀搀 㘀 瀀椀渀琀猀 漀昀 栀愀洀 戀爀漀琀栀⸀ 䤀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀瘀攀ഊ24 pints of beef broth and 36 pints of chicken broth canned and waiting to be ਀甀猀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 猀攀挀爀攀琀 栀攀爀攀 椀猀 琀漀 戀甀礀 眀栀攀渀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 猀愀氀攀 愀渀搀⼀漀爀 搀攀戀漀渀攀 礀漀甀爀 洀攀愀琀猀 愀渀搀ഊcook the bones, etc. off for stock, then pressure can. Often times I freeze ਀琀栀攀 戀漀渀攀猀Ⰰ 挀栀椀挀欀攀渀 猀欀椀渀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 戀椀琀猀 甀渀琀椀氀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 愀 欀攀琀琀氀攀 漀昀ഊstock. ਀ഊRas ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ 　㐀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㈀㈀㨀㔀㔀㨀㔀㌀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Bonne ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 猀瀀椀挀攀搀 挀愀渀琀攀氀漀甀瀀攀ഊ ਀㸀      䄀爀攀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀 猀攀愀氀攀搀 樀甀猀琀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 栀攀愀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀漀欀攀搀 洀攀氀漀渀 愀渀搀ഊ> syrup? Does it have to pressure cook also, or do you just wait for ਀㸀      琀栀攀 氀椀搀猀 琀漀 搀椀洀瀀氀攀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀      䴀攀爀挀攀搀攀猀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 瀀爀攀搀愀琀攀猀 琀栀攀 愀氀氀 攀渀挀漀洀瀀愀猀猀椀渀最 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 猀攀愀氀ഊeverything, in fact it instructs sealing the jars with paraffin. I haven't ਀洀愀搀攀 琀栀攀 挀愀渀琀愀氀漀甀瀀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 昀漀爀 愀氀氀 漀琀栀攀爀 樀愀洀猀 愀渀搀 樀攀氀氀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀 瀀甀琀ഊthe lid on, twist the seal ring tight, flip them over and stand them on the ਀氀椀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 琀漀 栀攀愀爀 琀栀攀 氀椀搀 ∀瀀漀瀀∀ 搀漀眀渀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 椀洀洀攀搀椀愀琀攀氀礀⸀ ⠀眀栀礀㼀  䴀漀洀 搀椀搀ഊit that way.) If they don't dimple, I boil in a water bath, or plan to serve ਀琀栀漀猀攀 樀愀爀猀 猀漀漀渀⸀  䐀漀渀✀琀 漀眀渀 愀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 挀愀渀渀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀戀漀渀渀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 15:41:59 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䠀攀氀攀渀 㰀栀椀洀 愀琀 最琀攀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - canning links ਀ഊhttp://www.ext.vt.edu/pubs/foods/348-078/348-078.html ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀漀漀搀猀愀昀攀琀礀⸀漀爀最⼀挀愀渀㄀⸀栀琀洀ഊhttp://www.foodsafety.org/he/he210.htm ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀栀愀洀洀漀挀欀⸀椀昀愀猀⸀甀昀氀⸀攀搀甀⼀琀砀琀⼀昀愀椀爀猀⼀㜀㄀㘀㈀ഊhttp://encarta.msn.com/index/conciseindex/28/02883000.htm ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀栀漀洀攀ⴀ挀愀渀渀椀渀最⸀挀漀洀⼀ഊhttp://www.freep.com/fun/food/qsafe20.htm ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀最攀漀挀椀琀椀攀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀䠀攀愀爀琀氀愀渀搀⼀䄀挀爀攀猀⼀㄀㤀㘀㈀⼀爀昀昀㄀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://soar.berkeley.edu/recipes/baked-goods/desserts/cakes/pumpkin-spice-jar2.rec ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀漀栀椀漀⸀挀漀洀⼀戀樀⼀猀琀漀爀椀攀猀⼀瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀㈀㤀⸀栀琀洀ഊ ਀                                        䠀攀氀攀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:50:15 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䄀渀渀攀ⴀ䴀愀爀椀攀 刀漀甀猀猀攀愀甀∀ 㰀愀挀爀漀甀猀猀 愀琀 最琀攀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Canning-direct me for a good start? ਀ഊHi all from Anne-Marie, ex-4Her :) ਀刀愀猀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀猀 琀栀攀 䈀愀氀氀 䈀氀甀攀 䈀漀漀欀⸀ 䤀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ 䤀琀猀ഊavailable through amazon.com, and not very expensive. It gives great ਀戀攀最椀渀渀攀爀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀渀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 愀渀搀 昀漀漀搀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 愀氀氀 琀礀瀀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊrecipes arent half bad. ਀ഊA good thing to start with is jams and the like...you cant die from doing ਀琀栀攀洀 眀爀漀渀最⸀ 䤀昀 琀栀攀礀 搀漀渀琀 猀攀琀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 猀琀椀氀氀 甀猀攀 椀琀 愀猀 瀀愀渀挀愀欀攀 猀礀爀甀瀀 漀爀 愀ഊglaze for hams, etc. Once you get the hang of it, move on to simple ਀瀀椀挀欀氀攀猀Ⰰ 氀椀欀攀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀搀 挀愀爀爀漀琀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 戀爀攀愀搀 愀渀搀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀搀ഊonions. Again, the worst thing that happens is that the jar doesnt seal and ਀礀漀甀 欀攀攀瀀 椀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀爀椀搀最攀 琀椀氀氀 礀漀甀 攀愀琀 椀琀⸀ 吀栀攀渀Ⰰ 琀爀礀 愀 昀爀攀猀栀 猀愀氀猀愀 漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊacidic tomato project. ਀ഊOnc you've gotten the knack of high acid canning, you may want to get a ਀瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 挀漀漀欀攀爀 愀渀搀 洀漀瘀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 氀漀眀 愀挀椀搀 猀琀甀昀昀 ⠀琀栀愀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 猀琀甀昀昀 琀栀愀琀 椀昀ഊyou do it wrong you can get botulism, etc, but even then, its not hard). ਀ഊgood luck! canning is awfully fun. Pickled carrots, mushrooms, etc are a ਀猀甀瀀攀爀 攀愀猀礀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀ⴀ漀椀搀攀 挀爀甀渀挀栀礀 琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 猀攀爀瘀攀 愀琀 栀漀琀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀猀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀ ⴀⴀ䄀渀渀攀ⴀ䴀愀爀椀攀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 眀椀渀 戀氀甀攀 爀椀戀戀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 猀愀氀猀愀 愀渀搀 猀琀甀昀昀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀栀漀✀猀ഊmom cleaned up every year with dill pear pickles (ugh) and made jalapeno ਀樀攀氀氀礀 氀漀渀最 戀攀昀漀爀攀 猀甀挀栀 琀栀椀渀最猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀 挀栀椀挀 挀栀椀挀⸀ ⠀搀漀甀戀氀攀 甀最栀⤀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:47:03 -0600 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀椀愀渀愀 匀欀愀最最猀∀㰀甀瀀猀砀搀氀猀 愀琀 漀欀眀愀礀⸀漀欀猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Canning-direct me for a good start? ਀ഊ Lady Elisabeth of Pendarvis asked about canning references. My canning ਀     ∀戀椀戀氀攀∀ 椀猀 ∀倀甀琀琀椀渀最 䘀漀漀搀 䈀礀⸀∀  䤀琀 挀漀瘀攀爀猀 洀愀渀礀 洀攀琀栀漀搀猀 漀昀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 ☀ഊ preserving, including drying and cellaring. It is updated every so often ਀     琀漀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 渀攀眀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 最甀椀搀攀氀椀渀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀     䰀攀愀渀渀愀 漀昀 匀瀀愀爀爀漀眀栀愀瘀攀渀ഊ Mooneschadowe, Ansteorra ਀     ⠀匀琀椀氀氀眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 伀䬀⤀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:15:22 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀攀昀昀 䈀漀琀欀椀渀猀 㰀樀戀漀琀欀椀渀猀 愀琀 椀洀攀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Canning-direct me for a good start? ਀ഊAngie Malone wrote: ਀㸀 䤀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 甀猀攀搀 戀漀漀欀 猀琀漀爀攀 椀渀 礀漀甀爀 愀爀攀愀 挀栀攀挀欀 琀栀愀琀 漀甀琀⸀  䌀愀渀渀椀渀最 栀愀猀渀✀琀ഊ> changed much in the last 50 years. ਀㸀ഊ> The ball canning book is in at least it's second edition, the first edition ਀㸀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 甀猀攀昀甀氀Ⰰ 洀礀 洀漀琀栀攀爀 甀猀攀搀 椀琀 甀渀琀椀氀 椀琀 眀愀猀 昀愀氀氀椀渀最 愀瀀愀爀琀⸀   䤀 栀愀瘀攀ഊ> quite a few pamphlet type books I inherited from my mother that came from ਀㸀 琀栀攀 搀攀瀀愀爀琀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 愀最爀椀挀甀氀琀甀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 愀最攀渀挀椀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀ഊ> been mentioned. ਀㸀ഊ> Angeline ਀ഊI just picked up the latest Ball "Blue Book" at my local Grocery Store ਀爀椀最栀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 倀爀漀搀甀挀攀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 甀渀搀攀爀 ␀㐀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊIt's a great source, plus it has batch of recipes (stuff on preserving ਀愀渀搀 搀攀栀礀搀爀愀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 琀漀漀⤀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䨀攀昀昀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:11:23 -0600 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀椀愀渀愀 匀欀愀最最猀∀㰀甀瀀猀砀搀氀猀 愀琀 漀欀眀愀礀⸀漀欀猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊTo: ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䬀漀猀栀攀爀 猀愀氀琀ഊ ਀     䴀椀氀漀爀搀⸀  吀栀攀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 戀漀漀欀 䤀 甀猀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀椀愀琀攀猀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀愀戀氀攀 猀愀氀琀 愀渀搀 ഊ canning salt. Kosher salt is included in the canning variety. Table ਀     猀愀氀琀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀猀 ∀攀砀琀爀愀猀∀ 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 椀琀 昀爀漀洀 挀愀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀昀琀攀渀 愀搀搀猀 椀漀搀椀渀攀⸀  ഊ Occasionally, these extras will cause darkening of the product. ਀     䌀愀渀渀椀渀最 愀渀搀 䬀漀猀栀攀爀 猀愀氀琀猀 愀爀攀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 瀀甀爀攀⸀ ഊ ਀     䤀 愀最爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 漀渀 琀栀攀 欀爀愀甀琀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀⸀  䨀甀猀琀 猀栀爀攀搀搀攀搀 ഊ cabbage mixed with canning or Kosher salt, allowed to ferment in a ਀     挀爀漀挀欀⸀  吀栀攀 猀愀氀琀 搀爀愀眀猀 眀愀琀攀爀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀愀戀戀愀最攀⸀  嘀椀渀攀最愀爀 椀猀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 ഊ supplement if liquid is not available from the fermenting process. ਀     ഊ Leanna of Sparrowhaven ਀     䴀漀漀渀攀猀挀栀愀搀漀眀攀Ⰰ 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀ഊ upsxdls at okstate.edu ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀ 伀挀琀 ㈀　　　 ㄀㐀㨀㔀㘀㨀㐀㌀ 䔀䐀吀ഊFrom: KallipygosRed at aol.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䌀愀渀渀椀渀最⼀倀爀攀猀攀爀瘀愀琀椀漀漀渀 ⠀眀愀猀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀攀㨀 䔀愀猀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 猀漀甀瀀猀㼀⤀ഊ ਀一䨀匀愀猀猀漀 愀琀 洀猀瀀氀愀眀⸀挀漀洀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> . If done properly, then the food is nigh invincible as long as the lid ਀㸀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 瀀漀瀀⸀ഊ ਀䴀礀 最爀愀渀搀洀漀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 栀攀礀搀愀礀 漀昀 戀漀洀戀 猀栀攀氀琀攀爀猀Ⰰ 攀焀甀椀瀀瀀攀搀 愀氀氀 栀攀爀 猀栀攀氀琀攀爀猀 ഊand then canned them to the rafters with her "foods she felt wouldn't be ਀愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 愀渀礀洀漀爀攀 搀甀爀椀渀最 愀 眀愀爀∀ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 䤀渀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 ഊbirth of my last son, she sent me a jar of peaches with the date 1966 on it ਀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 渀漀琀愀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 ∀一漀眀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 琀愀猀琀攀 漀昀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀 挀愀渀 礀漀甀爀 ഊson, if you wait 6 months". When he started eating semi-hard food, I opened ਀琀栀攀 挀愀渀 愀渀搀 最爀漀甀渀搀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 瀀攀愀挀栀 愀渀搀 昀攀搀 椀琀 琀漀 栀椀洀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 搀攀氀椀挀椀漀甀猀⸀ 一漀 ഊproblems. So, yeah, they can last **quite** a while if properly canned and ਀猀琀漀爀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䰀愀爀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:46:07 -0700 (PDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀愀渀愀 䠀甀昀昀洀愀渀 㰀氀攀琀爀愀搀愀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: canned broth, was: non-member submission - Re: SC - Re: Easy period soups? ਀ഊ> Anybody have any idea how long home-canned chicken soup is supposed to be ਀㸀 最漀漀搀 昀漀爀㼀 䈀攀挀愀甀猀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 樀愀爀 漀昀 猀漀甀瀀 琀栀愀琀 洀礀 洀漀洀 挀愀渀渀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀洀洀攀爀 漀昀ഊ> 1999 and I'm embarrassed to ask her whether it should still be good. ਀㸀 ഊ> -- Jadwiga (who can't find any of her canning books, and ਀ഊI would think it should still be good. My usual approach ਀琀漀 栀漀洀攀ⴀ挀愀渀渀攀搀 渀漀渀ⴀ昀爀甀椀琀 椀猀Ⰰ 椀昀 椀琀 氀漀漀欀猀 伀䬀 愀渀搀 猀洀攀氀氀猀 伀䬀ഊand still has a good seal, cook it at a good boil for 20 ਀洀椀渀甀琀攀猀 愀渀搀 攀愀琀 椀琀⸀  䤀✀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 洀攀琀栀漀搀 漀渀 ㈀ⴀ礀攀愀爀ⴀ漀氀搀ഊturkey broth and survived, no problem. Of course, if it ਀眀愀猀 挀愀渀渀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀漀搀氀攀猀 椀渀 椀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀✀氀氀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 搀椀猀猀漀氀瘀攀 戀礀ഊthe time it's cooked... ਀ഊDana/Ximena ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㤀㨀㌀㘀㨀　㤀 ⴀ　㘀　　ഊFrom: Diana L Skaggs ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 挀愀渀渀攀搀 愀猀瀀愀爀愀最甀猀ഊ ਀㸀䄀渀礀戀漀搀礀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 昀爀攀攀稀攀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 戀氀愀渀挀栀椀渀最㼀ഊ> ਀㸀䐀愀渀愀⼀堀椀洀攀渀愀ഊ ਀䈀氀愀渀挀栀椀渀最 猀琀漀瀀猀 琀栀攀 攀渀稀礀洀攀 愀挀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀甀猀攀猀 瘀攀最攀琀愀戀氀攀猀 琀漀 最漀 戀愀搀⸀ഊAccording to my canning book, freezing alone slows, but does not stop the ਀瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀⸀  䤀 猀漀爀琀 洀礀 愀猀瀀愀爀愀最甀猀 戀礀 琀栀椀挀欀渀攀猀猀⸀ഊ ਀䰀椀琀琀氀攀 昀椀渀最攀爀 愀渀搀 猀洀愀氀氀攀爀 ⴀ 戀氀愀渀挀栀 漀渀攀 洀椀渀甀琀攀ഊLittle finger to thumb - blanch two minutes ਀吀栀甀洀戀 琀栀椀挀欀渀攀猀猀 愀渀搀 戀椀最最攀爀 ⴀ 戀氀愀渀挀栀 琀栀爀攀攀 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀ഊ ਀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 猀攀攀 洀甀挀栀 愀猀瀀愀爀愀最甀猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 栀攀爀攀 琀栀椀挀欀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 洀礀 琀栀甀洀戀⸀ഊ ਀䰀椀愀搀渀愀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: "Stephanie Drake" ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: Re: Re: [Sca-cooks] Pennsic food ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㠀 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㘀㨀㈀㔀㨀　㐀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊ ਀伀欀 ⴀ 栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 猀椀琀攀 眀栀攀爀攀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 搀漀眀渀氀漀愀搀 瀀搀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 搀攀愀氀 眀椀琀栀ഊdifferent sorts of canning. http://extension.usu.edu/publica/foodpubs.htm ਀ഊMercedes ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㔀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㌀ 　㜀㨀㐀㠀㨀㈀㤀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: Maggie MacDonald ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀吀㨀 儀甀椀挀欀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊAt 07:39 AM 9/25/2003,WyteRayven at aol.com said something like: ਀㸀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 琀爀礀 洀礀 栀愀渀搀 愀琀 洀愀欀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 椀琀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䤀 眀愀猀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 椀昀 䤀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 最漀 漀甀琀 愀渀搀 戀甀礀 愀 挀愀渀渀攀爀Ⰰ 漀爀 椀昀 䤀 挀愀渀ഊ> just use one of the pots I already have? I know that the rack would make ਀㸀 椀琀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 琀漀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 愀氀猀漀 搀漀渀琀 栀愀瘀攀 洀甀挀栀 搀椀猀瀀漀猀愀戀氀攀 挀愀猀栀 愀琀ഊ> the moment, and if I can just use what I have that would be great. ਀㸀ഊ> Ilia ਀ഊFor water bath canning you can use what you already have on hand. Apple ਀戀甀琀琀攀爀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀愀琀栀攀搀 樀甀猀琀 昀椀渀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 渀攀攀搀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀最最椀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:51:12 -0700 (PDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䠀甀攀琀琀攀 瘀漀渀 䄀栀爀攀渀猀 㰀愀栀爀攀渀猀栀愀瘀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OT: Quick question about canning ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 洀愀搀攀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 瀀攀愀爀 戀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ 夀漀甀 挀愀渀ഊtreat it like you do jams and jellies. Take your ਀栀漀琀 昀椀渀椀猀栀攀搀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 瀀漀甀爀 椀琀 椀渀琀漀ഊsterile jars, up to 1" or so from the top of the ਀樀愀爀⸀  䴀攀氀琀 瀀愀爀愀昀椀渀 愀渀搀 瀀漀甀爀 椀琀 搀椀爀攀挀琀氀礀 漀渀琀漀 琀栀攀ഊhot apple butter. I try to put a 3/8" layer, ਀琀栀愀琀 眀椀氀氀 猀攀愀氀 礀漀甀爀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 昀漀爀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 漀渀攀ഊyear. ਀ഊI have have a canner, but I prefer the above ਀洀攀琀栀漀搀Ⰰ 愀猀 椀琀 椀猀 洀甀挀栀 氀攀猀猀 眀漀爀欀⸀ഊ ਀䠀甀攀琀琀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:54:19 EDT ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䔀琀愀椀渀㄀㈀㘀㌀ 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OT: Quick question about canning ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀圀礀琀攀刀愀礀瘀攀渀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> I would like to try my hand at making some apple butter and canning it. ਀ഊYou don't need to "can" it. I'm assuming you mean a hot water bath canner. ਀夀漀甀 洀愀欀攀 猀甀爀攀 礀漀甀爀 樀愀爀猀 愀爀攀 挀氀攀愀渀 ⠀栀漀琀 猀漀愀瀀礀 眀愀琀攀爀⸀⸀⸀爀椀渀猀攀 椀渀 栀漀琀 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀挀攀ഊupside down on a towel until ready to use). Make your apple butter (crockpots ਀眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 氀椀搀 漀昀昀 愀爀攀 最爀攀愀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀℀⤀ഊ Now...you sit the jars upright, grate some parafin into the bottom...pour ਀椀渀 礀漀甀爀 䠀伀吀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 戀甀琀琀攀爀⸀⸀⸀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 眀愀砀 眀椀氀氀 洀攀氀琀 愀渀搀 爀椀猀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀℀  圀栀攀渀 椀琀ഊcools...it will seal. You can put a lid and ring on it to keep it ਀挀氀攀愀渀⸀⸀⸀愀渀搀 椀琀 欀攀攀瀀猀 瘀攀爀礀 眀攀氀氀⸀  伀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 眀愀砀 猀攀愀氀 椀猀 戀爀漀欀攀渀⸀⸀⸀欀攀攀瀀 椀琀 ഊin the refrigerator. ਀ഊEtain...who uses both water bath and pressure canning for other ਀琀栀椀渀最猀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: hu, 25 Sep 2003 11:22:58 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䈀愀爀戀愀爀愀 䈀攀渀猀漀渀∀ 㰀瘀漀砀㠀 愀琀 洀椀渀搀猀瀀爀椀渀最⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OT: Quick question about canning ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 樀甀猀琀 戀攀最甀渀 琀漀 最攀琀 椀渀琀漀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 愀渀搀 猀甀挀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 眀愀猀 渀攀瘀攀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀渀最ഊthat my family did so I do not have the fortune to have the years of ਀攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 搀爀愀眀 漀渀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 䴀漀洀Ⰰ 䜀爀愀渀搀洀愀 攀挀琀⸀⸀⸀ 匀漀 䤀 栀愀搀 琀漀 爀攀氀礀漀渀ഊ"technical" information to figure out what to do. I am not saying that the ਀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 搀漀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 琀栀攀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 眀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 昀愀洀椀氀椀攀猀 栀愀瘀攀ഊbeen doing it are wrong. But I have found that the USDA has extensive ਀最甀椀搀攀氀椀渀攀猀 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀椀渀最 昀漀漀搀猀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀⸀ 䴀愀渀礀 漀昀ഊtheir recommendations go against what has been common practice for ਀最攀渀攀爀愀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 一愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 䌀攀渀琀攀爀 昀漀爀 䠀漀洀攀 倀爀攀猀攀爀瘀愀琀椀漀渀 挀愀渀 戀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀琀㨀ഊhttp://www.uga.edu/nchfp/how/can_home.html ਀ഊ> From this site comes the following statement: ਀∀䈀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 洀漀氀搀 挀漀渀琀愀洀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀愀昀昀椀渀 漀爀 眀愀砀 猀攀愀氀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀 氀漀渀最攀爀ഊrecommended for any sweet spread, including jellies. To prevent growth of ਀洀漀氀搀猀 愀渀搀 氀漀猀猀 漀昀 最漀漀搀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀 漀爀 挀漀氀漀爀Ⰰ 昀椀氀氀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀猀 栀漀琀 椀渀琀漀 猀琀攀爀椀氀攀 䴀愀猀漀渀ഊjars, leaving 1/4-inch headspace, seal with self-sealing lids, and process 5 ਀洀椀渀甀琀攀猀 椀渀 愀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最ⴀ眀愀琀攀爀 挀愀渀渀攀爀⸀ 䌀漀爀爀攀挀琀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀 琀椀洀攀 愀琀 栀椀最栀攀爀 攀氀攀瘀愀琀椀漀渀猀ഊby adding 1 additional minute per 1,000 ft above sea level. If unsterile ਀樀愀爀猀 愀爀攀 甀猀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀椀氀攀搀 樀愀爀猀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀攀搀 ㄀　 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀⸀ 唀猀攀 漀昀ഊsterile jars is preferred, especially when fruits are low in pectin, since ਀琀栀攀 愀搀搀攀搀 㔀ⴀ洀椀渀甀琀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀 琀椀洀攀 洀愀礀 挀愀甀猀攀 眀攀愀欀 最攀氀猀⸀∀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 䌀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 唀匀䐀䄀 最甀椀搀攀氀椀渀攀猀 挀愀渀 戀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀琀㨀ഊhttp://foodsafety.cas.psu.educanningguide.html ਀匀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀 唀匀䐀䄀 刀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 䄀瀀瀀氀攀 䈀甀琀琀攀爀 挀愀渀 戀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀琀㨀ഊhttp://foodsafety.cas.psu.edu/usda/ ਀㈀匀攀氀攀挀琀椀渀最倀爀攀瀀愀爀椀渀最☀䌀愀渀渀椀渀最䘀爀甀椀琀☀䘀爀甀椀琀倀爀漀搀甀挀琀猀⼀䄀瀀瀀氀攀䈀甀琀琀攀爀⸀瀀搀昀ഊ ਀䤀 栀漀瀀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 栀攀氀瀀昀甀氀⸀ 䄀最愀椀渀 䤀 愀洀 渀漀琀 挀漀渀琀爀愀搀椀挀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 最漀漀搀ഊentles who use different techniques out of malicious intent or with the ਀戀攀氀椀攀昀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 愀洀 刀椀最栀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 圀爀漀渀最⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 樀甀猀琀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 昀漀甀渀搀  ഊon my own. ਀ഊSerena da Riva ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㔀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㌀ ㄀㜀㨀㔀㤀㨀㌀㄀ ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 瀀愀爀琀 ㈀ 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀吀㨀 儀甀椀挀欀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最ഊTo: Cooks within the SC ਀ഊ> I was wondering if I actually need to go out and buy a canner, or if I ਀㸀 挀愀渀 樀甀猀琀 甀猀攀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀漀琀猀 䤀 愀氀攀愀搀礀 栀愀瘀攀㼀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 爀愀挀欀  ഊ> would make it easier to remove the jars, but I also dont have much ਀㸀 搀椀猀瀀漀猀愀戀氀攀 挀愀猀栀 愀琀 琀栀攀 洀漀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀昀 䤀 挀愀渀 樀甀猀琀 甀猀攀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀  ഊ> would be great. ਀ഊThe other thing you want to get is a jar lifter, even if ou don't have a ਀爀愀挀欀⸀ 吀栀攀 樀愀爀 氀椀昀琀攀爀 氀漀漀欀猀 氀椀欀攀 昀甀渀渀礀 琀漀渀最猀 愀渀搀 椀猀 搀攀猀椀最渀攀搀 琀漀 氀攀琀 礀漀甀ഊlift the jars out of the water by their necks. There is NO other good way ਀琀漀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀愀琀栀 ⠀瀀氀攀渀琀礀 漀昀 戀愀搀Ⰰ 瀀愀椀渀昀甀氀 眀愀礀猀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ  ഊand I know 'em all) ਀ഊ-- Pani Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne at fiedlerfamily.net ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㔀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㌀㄀㠀㨀㈀㌀㨀　㠀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: "Randy Goldberg MD" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 瀀愀爀琀 ㈀ 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀吀㨀 儀甀椀挀欀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊ> The other thing you want to get is a jar lifter, even if you don't have a ਀㸀 爀愀挀欀⸀ 吀栀攀 樀愀爀 氀椀昀琀攀爀 氀漀漀欀猀 氀椀欀攀 昀甀渀渀礀 琀漀渀最猀 愀渀搀 椀猀 搀攀猀椀最渀攀搀 琀漀 氀攀琀 礀漀甀ഊ> lift the jars out of the water by their necks. There is NO other good way ਀㸀 琀漀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀愀琀栀 ⠀瀀氀攀渀琀礀 漀昀 戀愀搀Ⰰ 瀀愀椀渀昀甀氀 眀愀礀猀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ  ഊ> and I know 'em all.) ਀ഊI beg to differ. I use a good STRONG pair of spring loaded tongs, 16" long ਀⠀洀椀渀攀 愀爀攀 戀礀 伀堀伀 䜀漀漀搀 䜀爀椀瀀猀⤀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 愀 爀甀戀戀攀爀 戀愀渀搀 眀爀愀瀀瀀攀搀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 攀愀挀栀  ഊblade of the tongs. Works like a charm, and multi-tasks. ਀ഊAvraham ਀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀ഊReb Avraham haRofeh of Sudentur ਀      ⠀洀欀愀 刀愀渀搀礀 䜀漀氀搀戀攀爀最 䴀䐀⤀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:37:01 -0700 (PDT)From: Huette von Ahrens ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀吀㨀 儀甀椀挀欀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊSerena, ਀ഊI understand where you and the USDA are coming ਀昀爀漀洀⸀  圀栀攀渀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊprocess, things can go wrong. But at the same ਀琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 挀愀渀 昀漀漀搀 眀爀漀渀最 愀氀猀漀⸀ഊHome canning is something that requires skill ਀愀渀搀 欀渀漀眀氀搀最攀 琀漀 搀漀 爀椀最栀琀⸀  圀栀攀渀 椀琀 椀猀渀✀琀 搀漀渀攀ഊcorrectly it can be more deadly than using ਀瀀愀爀愀昀椀渀 漀渀 樀愀洀猀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀攀渀 䤀 洀愀欀攀 樀愀洀猀 愀渀搀 戀甀琀琀攀爀猀Ⰰ 䤀 猀琀攀爀椀氀椀稀攀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀ഊthoroughly. Until recently, I would boil the ਀樀愀爀猀 椀渀 洀礀 挀愀渀渀攀爀⸀  䰀愀琀攀氀礀Ⰰ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 爀甀渀渀椀渀最ഊthem through he hottest cycle in my dishwasher. ਀圀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 樀愀洀 椀猀 爀攀愀搀礀Ⰰ 䤀 椀洀洀攀搀椀愀琀攀氀礀 琀愀欀攀 椀琀 漀昀昀ഊthe fire and start ladling it into a still hot jar. ਀圀栀攀渀 琀栀愀琀 樀愀爀 椀猀 昀甀氀氀Ⰰ 䤀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀愀昀椀渀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀ഊfire and pour it into the top of the jam. The ਀眀愀砀 洀甀猀琀 戀攀 愀 洀椀渀椀洀甀洀 漀昀 ㌀⼀㠀∀ 琀栀椀挀欀⸀  吀栀攀 氀椀焀甀椀搀ഊparafin creates an airtight seal on the surface ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀椀氀氀 栀漀琀 樀愀洀⸀ 伀渀氀礀 琀栀攀渀 椀猀 琀栀攀 樀愀洀ഊallowed to cool. I then start the next jar. I ਀愀氀猀漀 挀漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀 氀椀搀 漀爀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀爀愀渀眀爀愀瀀ഊand a metal jar ring, to keep dust, etc. of the ਀眀愀砀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 眀愀砀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 爀攀洀愀椀渀猀 琀椀最栀琀 昀漀爀 漀渀攀 礀攀愀爀⸀ഊBeyond that it will start to unseal, which is ਀瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 琀栀攀 眀栀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀愀爀渀椀渀最⸀  䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 愀ഊcouple of years ago, I found a jar of jam that ਀眀愀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 㔀 礀攀愀爀猀 漀氀搀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 瀀甀猀栀攀搀 琀漀ഊthe back of the pantry. When I took off the lid, ਀琀栀攀 眀愀砀 栀愀搀 猀栀爀甀渀欀 猀漀 洀甀挀栀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 攀愀猀椀氀礀ഊremove the wax. The lid had protected the jam. ਀吀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 渀漀 洀漀氀搀 琀漀 戀攀 猀攀攀渀⸀  䤀 猀琀椀氀氀 搀椀猀挀愀爀搀攀搀ഊit because the sugar had crystalized. ਀ഊI have seen mold on some home canned fruit that ਀栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 琀漀 洀攀 戀礀 愀 昀爀椀攀渀搀⸀  吀栀攀 樀愀爀 栀愀搀ഊbeen sealed, but obviously not properly. ਀ഊI have also seen mold on home cooked frozen fruit. ਀吀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 椀渀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 昀爀椀攀渀搀✀猀 昀爀攀攀稀攀爀⸀  䴀漀氀搀ഊhappens. It can happen anywhere. It is ਀搀椀猀最甀猀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀 昀愀挀琀 漀昀 氀椀昀攀⸀ 䤀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 洀愀欀攀 愀ഊdisgusted face and throw the food out. ਀ഊHuette ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㄀ 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　㐀 　　㨀㔀㠀㨀㌀㤀 ⴀ　㠀　　 ⠀倀匀吀⤀ഊFrom: Huette von Ahrens ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 昀漀漀搀 猀愀昀攀 琀攀洀瀀攀爀愀琀甀爀攀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊHaving canned for the past 44 years, I can tell ਀礀漀甀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 开渀攀瘀攀爀开 爀攀甀猀攀 洀攀琀愀氀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最ഊlids more than once. It even says so on the box. ਀   唀渀氀攀猀猀 礀漀甀 氀椀欀攀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 樀愀爀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀ഊairtight. The separate rubber rings you have ਀搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 愀爀攀 昀漀爀 甀猀攀 眀椀琀栀 最氀愀猀猀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 氀椀搀猀 愀渀搀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀ഊvery difficult to position just right in order to ਀愀挀栀椀攀瘀攀 愀渀 愀椀爀琀椀最栀琀 猀攀愀氀⸀ഊ ਀䠀甀攀琀琀攀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀⴀ 䴀椀挀栀攀愀氀 㰀搀洀爀攀椀搀 愀琀 栀昀砀⸀攀愀猀琀氀椀渀欀⸀挀愀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Depends on whether you buy the ones with rubber rings or with the rubber ਀㸀 愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 氀椀搀猀⸀ ⠀刀甀戀戀攀爀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 猀愀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 挀愀猀攀⤀ 吀栀攀 氀椀搀 琀礀瀀攀ഊ> I personally don`t trust to se a second time. Canning process might leave a ਀㸀 挀爀攀愀猀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 爀甀戀戀攀爀⸀ 䈀甀琀 琀栀攀 爀椀渀最猀 最漀 椀渀琀漀 愀 瀀漀琀 漀昀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀 琀漀 戀攀ഊ> reused until they no longer flex before throwing them out. ਀㸀  ഊ> Da ਀㸀  圀栀漀 爀攀最甀氀愀爀氀礀 最攀琀猀 挀愀渀 漀渀 挀漀爀搀椀愀氀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊ> cordially canned regularly ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ㈀㄀ 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　㐀 ㄀㄀㨀㄀㘀㨀㌀㄀ ⴀ　㠀　　ഊFrom: "Rikke D. Giles" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 昀漀漀搀 猀愀昀攀 琀攀洀瀀攀爀愀琀甀爀攀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊOn 2004.12.21 11:03, Stefan li Rous wrote: ਀㸀 䠀甀攀琀琀攀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀㨀ഊ>> The separate rubber rings you have ਀㸀㸀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 愀爀攀 昀漀爀 甀猀攀 眀椀琀栀 最氀愀猀猀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 氀椀搀猀 愀渀搀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀ഊ>> very difficult to position just right in orer to ਀㸀㸀 愀挀栀椀攀瘀攀 愀渀 愀椀爀琀椀最栀琀 猀攀愀氀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 ⨀最氀愀猀猀⨀ 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 氀椀搀猀㼀 䄀爀攀 礀漀甀 猀愀礀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 氀椀搀猀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀 愀爀攀 漀昀ഊ> glass rather than metal? I don't think I've see any of these, unless ਀㸀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 戀甀琀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 昀漀爀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最⸀ 䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀ഊ> decorative jars with glass lids, usually with a metal wire ਀㸀 愀爀爀愀渀最攀洀攀渀琀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀挀琀猀 愀猀 愀 栀椀渀最攀 愀渀搀 愀 挀氀愀洀瀀 琀漀 栀漀氀搀 琀栀攀洀 挀氀漀猀攀搀⸀ഊ> These usually have a white rubber ring. The jars are often square in ਀㸀 猀栀愀瀀攀⸀ 䄀爀攀 琀栀攀猀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 ⠀漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀㼀⤀ 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 樀愀爀猀㼀ഊ ਀夀攀猀Ⰰ 栀攀礀 愀爀攀⸀  䄀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 猀琀椀氀氀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 䈀爀椀琀愀椀渀⸀  䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 琀栀愀琀ഊI got from my ex-mother-in-law, while I lived in Britain (was married ਀琀漀 愀 䈀爀椀琀⤀⸀  吀栀攀 樀愀爀猀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 猀焀甀愀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 爀漀甀渀搀⸀  吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 愀猀 攀愀猀礀 琀漀ഊuse as American canning jars and metal rings etc but they do have one ਀猀甀瀀攀爀椀漀爀椀琀礀⸀  䄀挀椀搀椀挀 昀漀漀搀猀 搀漀 渀漀琀 挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 爀甀猀琀⸀  䤀渀 洀礀Ⰰഊadmittedly limited, experience one of the most popular things canned ਀愀爀攀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀猀 漀爀 挀栀甀琀渀攀礀猀⸀  䔀爀爀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 愀猀 漀甀爀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀猀⼀瀀椀挀欀氀攀ഊrelish. Anyway these are quite acidic and need the glass jars and lids ਀漀爀 渀漀眀Ⰰ 洀漀爀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 瀀甀琀 椀渀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 昀爀漀稀攀渀⸀ഊ ਀䄀攀氀椀愀渀漀爀愀 搀攀 圀椀渀琀爀椀渀最栀愀洀ഊBarony of Dragon's Laire ਀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀吀椀爀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:09:31 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀刀唀吀䠀 䔀䄀刀䰀䄀一䐀∀ 㰀爀琀愀渀渀愀栀椀氀氀 愀琀 瘀攀爀椀稀漀渀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] Pickling turnips ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 ㈀ 爀攀愀猀漀渀猀 猀漀洀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 愀搀瘀椀猀攀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 瀀椀挀欀氀椀渀最 琀甀爀渀椀瀀猀⸀ഊ ਀伀渀攀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 最爀漀眀 甀渀搀攀爀最爀漀甀渀搀 愀渀搀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀漀 栀愀爀戀漀爀 瀀愀琀栀最攀渀椀挀ഊbacteria. Sure, you're going to peel them, but you also have to be really ਀猀甀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 渀漀 挀爀愀挀欀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瘀攀最攀琀愀戀氀攀猀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀渀✀琀 甀渀甀猀甀愀氀 琀漀 戀甀礀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀搀ഊturnips in an Asian or Middle Eastern market and bring them home only to ਀昀椀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀✀瘀攀 最漀渀攀 漀昀昀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀猀 愀 氀漀眀 愀挀椀搀椀琀礀 瘀攀最攀琀愀戀氀攀Ⰰ 吀栀攀礀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 挀愀渀渀攀搀 甀渀搀攀爀ഊpressure. ਀ഊBerelinde ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㔀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㔀 ㄀㤀㨀㔀㤀㨀㈀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 倀椀挀欀氀椀渀最 琀甀爀渀椀瀀猀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊI have a hard time understanding the bit about underground pathogens, since ਀瀀椀挀欀氀攀搀 戀攀攀琀 爀漀漀琀猀 愀爀攀 愀 氀漀渀最ⴀ猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀⸀  䈀攀攀琀猀 愀爀攀 氀椀欀攀眀椀猀攀 愀ഊlow-acidity vegetable, thus the pickling liquids being acidic. What sources ਀愀爀攀 眀攀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀㼀  䴀漀搀攀爀渀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀愀琀椀漀渀猀㼀ഊ ਀䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀愀渀渀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 03:02:50 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀刀唀吀䠀 䔀䄀刀䰀䄀一䐀∀ 㰀爀琀愀渀渀愀栀椀氀氀 愀琀 瘀攀爀椀稀漀渀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] Re: Pickling Turnips (long and slightly evasive) ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀愀渀渀愀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> I have a hard time understanding the bit about underground pathogens, since ਀㸀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀搀 戀攀攀琀 爀漀漀琀猀 愀爀攀 愀 氀漀渀最ⴀ猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀⸀  䈀攀攀琀猀 愀爀攀 氀椀欀攀眀椀猀攀 愀ഊ> low-acidity vegetable, thus the pickling liquids being acidic. What sources ਀㸀 愀爀攀 眀攀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀㼀  䴀漀搀攀爀渀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀愀琀椀漀渀猀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀愀渀渀愀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 攀砀挀甀猀攀 洀礀 椀渀挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀猀 䤀 洀愀搀攀 眀攀爀攀 戀愀猀攀搀 漀渀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀愀琀椀漀渀猀 愀渀搀 愀瀀瀀氀礀ഊto canned unpickled vegetables. ਀ഊBotulism is the big culprit. The excrement of the botulism toxin is one of ਀琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 氀攀琀栀愀氀 挀漀洀瀀漀甀渀搀猀 欀渀漀眀渀 琀漀 洀愀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀 挀愀渀渀攀搀 昀漀漀搀 愀昀琀攀爀ഊthe toxin is present does not make it less harmful. The bacteria responsible ਀爀攀猀椀搀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 最爀漀甀渀搀 愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀渀 愀 渀漀爀洀愀氀 愀攀爀漀戀椀挀 攀渀瘀椀爀漀渀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 氀椀瘀攀猀 椀琀猀 氀椀昀攀ഊin peaceful anomynity. When it attempts to survive in an anaerobic ਀攀渀瘀椀爀漀渀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 漀氀椀瘀攀 漀椀氀 漀爀 挀愀渀渀攀搀 昀漀漀搀Ⰰ 椀琀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀猀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀甀氀椀猀洀ഊtoxin. That, by the way, is why you should never steep herbs or garlic in ਀挀漀氀搀 漀氀椀瘀攀 漀椀氀⸀ 嘀椀渀攀最愀爀 椀猀 猀愀昀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 猀攀攀 戀攀氀漀眀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 愀挀椀搀椀琀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀椀挀欀氀椀渀最 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 漀昀 挀爀椀琀椀挀愀氀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀挀攀 栀攀爀攀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀ഊare canning turnips in an acidic solution, like beets, if the acidity was ਀猀甀昀昀椀挀椀攀渀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀栀愀渀挀攀猀 漀昀 挀漀渀琀愀洀椀渀愀琀攀搀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 猀氀椀最栀琀⸀ഊ ਀伀昀琀攀渀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 琀甀爀渀椀瀀猀 愀爀攀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀搀 椀渀 愀 氀攀猀猀 愀挀椀搀椀挀 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀渀 戀攀攀琀猀Ⰰ 猀漀ഊcare must be taken to be sure the pickles are safe. Compost is often not ਀瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀氀礀 愀挀椀搀椀挀Ⰰ 猀漀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 挀愀甀琀椀漀甀猀⸀ 匀甀最愀爀 愀渀搀 猀愀氀琀 搀漀 爀攀琀愀爀搀 琀栀攀ഊgrowth of bacteria, but not as effectively as vinegar. ਀ഊThe integrity of the vegetable or fruit is also an issue. If the skin is ਀戀爀漀欀攀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 椀渀琀攀爀椀漀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀攀最攀琀愀戀氀攀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 攀砀瀀漀猀攀搀 琀漀 瀀愀琀栀漀最攀渀猀⸀ 圀栀椀挀栀ഊis why preserving instructions, modern or period, often call for peeled, ਀甀渀戀氀攀洀椀猀栀攀搀 ⠀愀渀搀 漀昀琀攀渀 挀漀漀欀攀搀⤀ 昀爀甀椀琀⼀瘀攀最攀琀愀戀氀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀愀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 洀礀 愀甀渀琀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 洀椀最栀琀 渀漀琀 戀攀 吀䠀䔀ഊauthority on unusual pickles, but used to can everything that wasn't still ਀戀爀攀愀琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 氀漀眀 愀挀椀搀椀琀礀 昀爀甀椀琀猀 愀渀搀 瘀攀最攀琀愀戀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀椀渀最 愀渀椀洀愀氀ഊprotein (she canned spaghetti sauce with meat), or anything she wasn't sure ਀漀昀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 挀愀渀渀攀搀 甀渀搀攀爀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 椀渀 愀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 挀漀漀欀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 礀漀甀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 瀀椀挀欀氀攀搀 琀甀爀渀椀瀀猀 猀甀挀挀攀猀猀昀甀氀氀礀 昀漀爀 礀攀愀爀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 渀漀ഊreason to think your process is wrong. I've never canned anything besides ਀最爀愀瀀攀 樀攀氀氀礀Ⰰ 搀椀氀氀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀爀攀愀搀 愀渀搀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀猀Ⰰ 猀漀 䤀 愀搀洀椀琀 䤀✀洀 渀漀ഊauthority on the process at all. ਀ഊHaving said that, there are 3 canning methods that I know: cold pack ਀⠀甀渀挀漀漀欀攀搀 昀漀漀搀Ⰰ 渀漀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀⤀Ⰰ 栀漀琀 瀀愀挀欀 ⠀挀漀漀欀攀搀 昀漀漀搀Ⰰ 渀漀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀⤀Ⰰ 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀ഊ(self-explanatory). ਀ഊI do not offer any opinion on which is the correct method to use. I simply ਀攀渀挀漀甀爀愀最攀 礀漀甀 琀漀 爀攀愀搀 甀瀀 漀渀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 戀攀昀漀爀攀 搀攀挀椀搀椀渀最 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 戀攀猀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊfood you want to can. ਀ഊOut of curiosity, has anyone ever tasted the contents of a bulging can or ਀漀渀攀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 戀甀戀戀氀攀搀 漀爀 猀焀甀椀爀琀攀搀 漀渀 漀瀀攀渀椀渀最㼀 ⠀䤀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 栀漀瀀攀 琀栀攀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 琀漀ഊthis is 'no') ਀ഊBerelinde Cynewulfdohtor ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㠀 　㠀㨀㈀㈀㨀㈀　 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: Susan Fox ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀伀倀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 愀搀瘀攀渀琀甀爀攀猀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊI've been saving jars all year, much to the dismay of my housekeeper who ਀栀愀猀 琀漀 昀椀最甀爀攀 漀甀琀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊ ਀䄀 最漀漀搀 戀爀愀渀搀 漀昀 樀愀爀 瀀愀猀琀愀 猀愀甀挀攀Ⰰ 䌀氀愀猀猀椀挀漀Ⰰ 猀攀氀氀猀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀 椀渀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 ഊMason jars. Better than average for commercial s'getti sauce, not full ਀漀昀 猀甀最愀爀 氀椀欀攀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀⸀   䄀 焀甀椀挀欀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 䜀漀漀最氀攀 猀栀漀眀猀 洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀✀洀 ഊnot the only one who buys that brand, in part, to recycle the jars. ਀ഊSelene ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㄀㨀㈀㔀㨀㔀㔀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Sandra Kisner ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀伀倀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 愀搀瘀攀渀琀甀爀攀猀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊ<<< A good brand of jar pasta sauce, Classico, sells their product in actual ਀䴀愀猀漀渀 樀愀爀猀⸀  䈀攀琀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 愀瘀攀爀愀最攀 昀漀爀 挀漀洀洀攀爀挀椀愀氀 猀✀最攀琀琀椀 猀愀甀挀攀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 昀甀氀氀 漀昀 ഊsugar like some of them. A quick look at Google shows me that I'm not ਀琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀 眀栀漀 戀甀礀猀 琀栀愀琀 戀爀愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀渀 瀀愀爀琀Ⰰ 琀漀 爀攀挀礀挀氀攀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀匀攀氀攀渀攀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀吀爀甀攀 ⴀ 琀栀攀渀 愀氀氀 礀漀甀 渀攀攀搀 椀猀 渀攀眀 氀椀搀猀 愀渀搀 戀愀渀搀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 戀愀渀搀猀 ⠀漀渀挀攀 礀漀甀 戀甀礀 ഊthem) can *also* be reused. Much cheaper than buying the whole lot. ਀ഊSandra ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㄀㨀㈀㌀㨀㐀㐀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: "tudorpot at gmail.com" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀伀倀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 愀搀瘀攀渀琀甀爀攀猀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊI scour yard sales- scored two boxes of a dozen jars for $2 at one ਀猀愀氀攀⸀ 吀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 搀愀礀 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 栀愀氀昀 愀 搀漀稀攀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀椀搀攀 洀漀甀琀栀 猀攀愀氀椀渀最  ഊrings for 25 cents. Just need to keep canning in the back of your ਀洀椀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 愀琀 猀愀氀攀猀⸀  䔀愀爀氀椀攀爀 琀栀椀猀 礀攀愀爀 愀琀 漀渀攀 礀愀爀搀 猀愀氀攀ⴀ 愀 昀攀氀氀漀眀 眀愀猀  ഊtrying to sell a 'Classico' jar for a $1.00-- I gently suggested that ਀昀漀爀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 搀漀氀氀愀爀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀甀礀 漀渀攀 昀甀氀氀 漀昀 猀愀甀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀䘀爀攀搀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:20:32 EDT ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䔀琀愀椀渀㄀㈀㘀㌀ 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OOP canning adventures ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 搀愀琀攀搀 ㄀　⼀㄀㐀⼀㈀　　㠀 ㄀㄀㨀㈀㄀㨀㔀㘀 䄀⸀䴀⸀ 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀 䐀愀礀氀椀最栀琀 吀椀洀攀Ⰰ  ഊselene at earthlink.net writes: ਀㰀㰀㰀 䄀  焀甀椀挀欀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 䜀漀漀最氀攀 猀栀漀眀猀 洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀✀洀 ഊnot the only one who buys that brand, in part, to recycle the jars. >>> ਀ഊThat's true...but it doesn't have a standard size lid! You have to reuse ਀琀栀攀 氀椀搀猀 琀栀愀琀 挀漀洀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀洀℀ഊ ਀䔀琀愀椀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:59:57 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 匀愀渀搀爀愀 䬀椀猀渀攀爀 㰀猀樀欀㌀ 愀琀 挀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OOP canning adventures ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀㰀㰀㰀 伀渀攀 挀愀甀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 甀猀椀渀最 渀攀眀 樀愀爀猀Ⰰ ഊsince reused ones may have stress-induced flaws that cause them to shatter ਀甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀愀渀渀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀爀最愀爀攀琀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䄀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 眀椀琀栀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 琀栀攀 搀愀洀愀最攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀搀⸀  一漀琀 猀漀 眀椀琀栀 ഊa boiling-water bath! ਀ഊSandra ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㈀㨀　㔀㨀㄀㔀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Lisa" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀伀倀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 愀搀瘀攀渀琀甀爀攀猀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊ*snip* ਀伀渀攀 挀愀甀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 甀猀椀渀最 渀攀眀 樀愀爀猀Ⰰ ഊsince reused ones may have stress-induced flaws that cause them to shatter ਀甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀愀渀渀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀爀最愀爀攀琀ഊ*snip* ਀ഊVery valid point, although my mom for a good many years used the same jars ਀漀瘀攀爀 愀渀搀 漀瘀攀爀⸀  圀攀 搀椀搀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 漀甀爀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 栀漀琀 戀愀琀栀猀 琀漀 猀攀愀氀 琀栀攀洀 愀渀搀 ഊonly rarely (basically only when we HAD to) used the pressure cooker. I ਀猀琀椀氀氀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 栀漀眀 琀漀 搀漀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 洀礀 洀漀洀 愀渀搀 䤀 搀椀搀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀渀 琀栀漀甀最栀 ഊit was enough years ago I should have forgotten lol... ਀ഊElizabeta of Rundel ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㘀㨀㌀㌀㨀㔀㔀 䔀䐀吀ഊFrom: Etain1263 at aol.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀伀倀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 愀搀瘀攀渀琀甀爀攀猀ഊTo: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org ਀ഊladyemp at sbcglobal.net writes: ਀㰀㰀㰀 伀渀攀  挀愀甀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 甀猀椀渀最 渀攀眀 樀愀爀猀Ⰰ ഊ since reused ones may have stress-induced flaws that cause them to shatter ਀甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀愀渀渀攀爀⸀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䤀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 挀愀渀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀⸀⸀⸀愀渀搀 爀攀甀猀攀 樀愀爀猀⸀   圀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀✀琀 甀猀攀 椀猀 ഊ"commercial" jars such as recycled mayonnaise jars and such. If you use the jars made for canning (Ball, etc.) you can reuse and pressure can every year. I mostly consolidated my garden produce by making peppers, onions and tomatoes ਀昀漀爀 漀渀 栀漀琀 猀愀甀猀愀最攀 猀愀渀搀眀椀挀栀攀猀 愀渀搀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 挀愀渀渀攀搀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 瀀椀渀琀 樀愀爀猀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 琀漀 ഊmy sons. ਀ഊEtain ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㈀㨀㔀㄀㨀㄀㜀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Alexandria Doyle" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀伀倀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 愀搀瘀攀渀琀甀爀攀猀ⴀⴀⴀ愀渀搀 最愀爀搀攀渀椀渀最ഊ question ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䤀 搀椀搀 愀 焀甀椀挀欀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 猀椀琀攀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 琀漀 猀攀攀ഊif they warn about new jars, and they don't. They do mention using ਀漀渀氀礀 樀愀爀猀 洀愀搀攀 昀漀爀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 椀渀琀攀渀搀攀搀 昀漀爀 爀攀甀猀攀 眀栀椀氀攀ഊsomething like a mayo or peanut butter jar is not. ਀ഊThe check for chips or cracks is important regardless of the kind of ਀挀愀渀渀椀渀最⸀  䤀渀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 戀愀挀欀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 眀攀 搀椀搀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 戀甀琀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀ഊcanning. As an adult on my own I have done the boiling bath canning ਀椀渀昀爀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀 挀漀漀欀攀爀 ⠀瀀漀甀琀椀渀最 栀攀爀攀⤀⸀ഊThis next year my daughter and I are looking to putting in a vegetable ਀最愀爀搀攀渀 猀漀 愀琀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀猀 瀀氀愀渀渀椀渀最 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀渀琀椀渀最 䤀✀洀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 最攀琀ഊthe preservation method planned, so we are prepared. ਀ഊalex ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㌀㨀㔀㠀㨀㐀㄀ ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: Susan Fox ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 伀伀倀 挀愀渀渀椀渀最 愀搀瘀攀渀琀甀爀攀猀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊEtain1263 at aol.com wrote: ਀猀攀氀攀渀攀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ<<< A quick look at Google shows me that I'm ਀渀漀琀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀 眀栀漀 戀甀礀猀 琀栀愀琀  戀爀愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀渀 瀀愀爀琀Ⰰ 琀漀 爀攀挀礀挀氀攀 琀栀攀 樀愀爀猀⸀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀㰀㰀㰀 吀栀愀琀✀猀 琀爀甀攀⸀⸀⸀戀甀琀 椀琀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀 猀椀稀攀 氀椀搀℀  夀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀  爀攀甀猀攀 ഊthe lids that come on them! ਀ഊEtain >>> ਀ഊHuh? The ones I get seem to accomodate the standard mason lids just ਀昀椀渀攀⸀  伀琀栀攀爀眀椀猀攀Ⰰ 眀栀礀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀 ∀洀愀猀漀渀∀ 樀愀爀 琀爀愀搀攀 洀愀爀欀㼀ഊ ਀匀攀氀攀渀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:54:16 EDT ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䔀琀愀椀渀㄀㈀㘀㌀ 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OOP canning adventures ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀匀琀攀昀愀渀氀椀刀漀甀猀 愀琀 愀甀猀琀椀渀⸀爀爀⸀挀漀洀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ<<< Does someone make the right sized ਀氀椀搀猀㼀 伀爀 搀漀 礀漀甀 搀漀 愀猀 䔀琀愀椀渀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀  愀渀搀 爀攀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 氀椀搀猀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀  ഊgasket gives out? >>> ਀ഊI haven't bought these jars in years because of the size disparity. I'm ਀最甀攀猀猀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 洀愀搀攀 琀栀攀 漀瀀攀渀椀渀最 愀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀 猀椀稀攀 渀漀眀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 爀攀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 ഊlid...you can only do so once. Which is why I stopped buying the stuff. ਀吀栀攀渀 愀最愀椀渀Ⰰ 䤀 最爀漀眀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀洀愀琀漀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 洀礀 漀眀渀 猀愀甀挀攀 渀漀眀⸀ഊ ਀䔀琀愀椀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:51:20 -0600 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀匀 䌀䰀䔀䴀䔀一䜀䔀刀∀ 㰀猀挀氀攀洀攀渀最攀爀 愀琀 洀猀渀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Canning/Largesse ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 瘀椀渀攀最愀爀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 搀漀攀猀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀 琀栀攀 洀甀猀琀愀爀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 挀愀渀 洀椀渀攀 愀渀礀眀愀礀猀 ⠀愀琀 ഊour altitude, 15 mins in a boiling water bath). It helps ensure against bad ਀戀甀最最礀ⴀ搀漀✀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 愀氀猀漀 猀攀愀氀猀 琀栀攀 氀椀搀猀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 氀攀愀欀愀最攀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 戀攀椀渀最 ഊtransported. ਀ഊ--Maire ਀ഊ----- Original Message ----- ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀∀ 㰀洀愀爀欀猀栀愀爀爀椀猀 愀琀 愀甀猀琀椀渀⸀爀爀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊ ਀䜀甀渀琀栀愀爀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀攀搀㨀ഊ ਀㰀㰀㰀 吀栀愀琀✀猀 愀 挀漀漀氀 椀搀攀愀⸀ 䤀✀搀 氀漀瘀攀 琀漀 栀愀渀搀 漀甀琀 戀愀琀挀栀攀猀 漀昀ഊcanned food or jellies as largesse. I'd personally ਀氀椀欀攀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 愀 栀甀最攀 戀愀琀挀栀 漀昀 猀瀀椀挀攀搀 洀甀猀琀愀爀搀ഊto hand out as gifts. I've been told that people have ਀最漀琀琀攀渀 愀搀搀椀挀琀攀搀 琀漀 洀礀 洀甀猀琀愀爀搀猀⸀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䐀漀 礀漀甀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 挀愀渀 洀甀猀琀愀爀搀猀㼀 䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 琀栀攀 瘀椀渀攀最愀爀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊpreserve them. ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㔀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　㠀 　㤀㨀㌀　㨀㐀㠀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: "Elaine Koogler" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䌀愀渀渀椀渀最⼀䰀愀爀最攀猀猀攀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊThere's a web site where you can order all sorts of bottles and jars, not to ਀洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 猀洀愀氀氀 琀椀渀猀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀猀⸀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀 昀椀渀搀 椀琀 愀琀ഊhttp://www.specialtybottle.com/ ਀ഊKiri ਀ഊOn Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Georgia Foster wrote: ਀ഊ<<< GREAT ideas! I am temporarily the coordinator of largess for TRM Timmur ਀愀渀搀 吀椀愀渀渀愀Ⰰ 䄀爀琀攀洀椀猀椀愀 ⠀甀渀琀椀氀 愀 洀漀爀攀 氀漀挀愀氀 漀渀攀 挀愀渀 戀攀 栀椀爀攀搀⤀⸀  匀瀀椀挀攀搀 眀椀渀攀ഊJelly sounds WAY too cool. Not experienced enough with mustard to try that ਀愀猀 礀攀琀⸀  䤀昀 䤀 挀愀渀 漀渀氀礀 昀椀渀搀 䨀䄀刀匀℀℀℀℀ഊ ਀䴀愀氀欀椀渀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris canning-msg Page 23 of 23 ਀ഊ