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Period lentil dishes and comments on lentils.

 

NOTE: See also the files: peas-msg, beans-msg, gourds-msg, beets-msg, lettuce-msg, vegetarian-msg, mushrooms-msg, vegetables-msg, fd-Mid-East-msg.

 

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:40:44 -0500

From: dangilsp at intrepid.net (Dan Gillespie)

Subject: SC - re: Lentils

 

Hello from West Virginia!

        Here's a recipe for a lentil dish from the 1607 "Arte de Cozina"

that I'm working with.  I thought it was nicely spiced, but the other person

who tried it thought it a bit bland.  You can always adjust the seasonings

at the end.  Let me know how you like it.

                                        Antoine de Bayonne

 

Cap xiiij De caldo de lentejas.

 

Despues de limpias y escogidas las lentejas se echaran a cozer, y despues

que cuezen un poco, se freyra una poca de cebolla, y ajos picados, y se

echara en las lentejas; y toma pan rallado, y echaselo para que espessen con

quatro, o seys maravedis de especias molidas, perexil è yerba buena; y

quando se vuieren de echar en las escudillas, se les echara un poco de

vinagre: es buen caldo, sino que es melancolico, como dize Galeno, cap. 5.

 

Chap 14 On a broth of lentils

 

After the lentils are cleaned & sorted, cast them to cook, & after they cook

a little, fry a little onion, chopped garlic, & cast them to the lentils; &

take grated bread, & cast it so that they thicken with 4 or 6 maravedis of

ground spices, parsley & mint; & when you cast it in the bowls, cast a

little vinegar: it is a good broth, except that is melancholic, as Galen

says in chapter 5.

 

A Dish of Lentils

 

- -2 C lentils, sorted & rinsed

- -2 med onions, chopped

- -2 Tbsp olive oil

- -4 cloves garlic, minced

- -1/2 tsp pepper

- -1/4 tsp ginger

- -1/2 tsp cumin

- -1/2 tsp coriander

- -pinch of cloves

- -salt to taste

- -1/4 C bread crumbs

- -1 Tbsp mint, finely minced

- -2 Tbsp parsley, finely minced

- -2 Tbsp red vine vinegar

 

Cover lentils with 2 inches of water & cook til they are soft; the time

depends on which type of lentils you use.  Turn heat to low.  Saute onions

in oil til soft & clear; add garlic & continue to saute til garlic is

slightly browned.  Add this mixture to lentils.  Add the spices & herbs &

sitr in the bread crumbs.  This made a stew thinner thatn porridge & thicker

than soup.  Remove from heat & stir in vinegar.  Serve warm

 

Dan Gillespie

dangilsp at intrepid.net

Dan_Gillespie at usgs.gov

Martinsburg, West Virginia, USA

 

 

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:03:20 -0700

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] 'A cooked dish of lentils'

 

>So, in pursuit of Pennsic food we were going to try the Cooked Dish of

>Lentils from the Miscellany. It doesn't say to pre-soak the lentils, which

>confused me. Is this assumed, or do you really start out with dry lentils?

>

>-- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa

 

I've never soaked lentils and they've cooked in a reasonable amount

of time, depending on how soft you like them - and i like mine pretty

soft, but i've only made about a quart of cooked lentils at a time.

If you're planning on making a much larger quantity, i guess soaking

it would make cooking time shorter.

 

Anahita / Subaytila

 

 

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:20:37 -0400

From: margali <margali at 99main.com>

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] 'A cooked dish of lentils'

 

> So, in pursuit of Pennsic food we were going to try the Cooked Dish of

> Lentils from the Miscellany. It doesn't say to pre-soak the lentils, which

> confused me. Is this assumed, or do you really start out with dry lentils?

>

> -- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa

 

Lentils are one of the few legumes that you cook starting dry -

they actually cook rather fast [sort of like you can push split

peas into soup form in under an hour if you realllllly need to

;-)

margali

 

 

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:39:59 -0500

From: Irmgart <irmgart at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] lentils

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

On 1/11/06, Lonnie D. Harvel <ldh at ece.gatech.edu> wrote:

> I have picked up a bag of dried lentils. I have enjoyed them many  

> times, but never prepared them. Recipes? Suggestions?

>

> Aoghann

 

My *favorite* way to do lentils is from Rumpolt:

 

*Linsen* (Lentils)

Rumpolt

Take lentils/ wash them fine clean/ and soak them. Take also a good

beef-broth/ let simmer/ cut onion and a little garlic into it/ so that it

comes nice and thick/ and when it is cooked/ so put green well-tasting

herbs/ that have been chopped fine/ thereto/ and cooked bacon/ let it simmer

therewith/ so it becomes good and tasty. You can also cook lentils without

onion/ how one likes to eat it/ so it may be prepared.

 

To be fair, I usually cook the bacon in the pot, take it out, saute the

onions and garlic in it, then add the broth and lentils. For fresh herbs, I

like it best with rosemary, but that's me, :)

 

This is a favorite in my house when we are broke as broke can be, because

lentils, garlic, onions and stock are cheap, I buy bacon when it goes on

sale and store it in the freezer.

 

-Irmgart

 

 

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:12:08 -0800

From: David Friedman <ddfr at daviddfriedman.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] lentils

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

> I have picked up a bag of dried lentils. I have enjoyed them many

> times, but never prepared them. Recipes? Suggestions?

 

This is a favorite of ours--we've often done it at Pennsic over the  

fire.

 

Cooked Dish of Lentils

al-Andalusi p. C-5 (no. 377) (Good)

 

Wash lentils and put them to cook in a pot with sweet water, oil,

pepper, coriander and cut onion. When they are cooked throw in salt,

a little saffron and vinegar; break three eggs, leave for a while on

the flame and later retire the pot. Other times cook without onion.

If you wish cook it with Egyptian beans pricked into which have been

given a boil. Or better with dissolved yeast over a gentle fire. When

the lentils begin to thicken add good butter or sweet oil, bit by

bit, alike until it gets absorbed, until they are sufficiently cooked

and have enough oil. Then retire it from the flame and sprinkle with

pepper.

 

1 1/2 c dried lentils = 10 oz      2 medium onions = 1/2 lb

      (Egyptian beans)

2 1/4 c water        3/4 t salt                   (yeast)

1 1/2 T oil      12 threads saffron 4 T butter (or oil)

3/8 t pepper     2 T vinegar                more pepper

1 1/2 t coriander         4 eggs

 

Slice onions. Put lentils, water, oil, pepper, coriander and onion in

a pot, bring to a boil, and turn down to a bare simmer. Cook covered

50 minutes, stirring periodically. Add butter or oil and cook while

stirring for about 5 minutes. Add salt, saffron (crushed into 1 t

water) and vinegar, and bring back to a boil. Put eggs on top, cover

pot and keep lentils at a simmer; stir cautiously every few minutes

in order to scrape the bottom of the pot without stirring in the

eggs. We find that if the heat is off, the eggs don't cook; if the

heat is up at medium, the eggs cook, but the lentils start to stick

to the pot. A larger quantity might hold enough heat to cook the eggs

without leaving it on the flame. When the eggs are cooked, sprinkle

with a little more pepper and serve. Makes 5 1/4 c.

--

David/Cariadoc

www.daviddfriedman.com

 

 

Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:20:00 -0400

From: "Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius" <adamantius1 at verizon.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] My problem cooking lentils

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

On Oct 20, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Heleen Greenwald wrote:

 

> Once again I made a pot of lentils and rice with Indian spicing, and

> once again the lentils didn't cook all the way til soft.  I put just

> the lentils and water in a big pot and let them "cook" over low heat

> for about an hour and a half (!). Then I added the spice, turned up

> the heat to medium high and cooked for another half hour. Then I

> added more water and rice. Brought the whole thing to a boil then

> turned it down to medium and let it keep cooking for another hour....

> What is my problem? Other than I should give up cooking entirely!

> You might be able to tell that I am quite annoyed!

> Thanks for any advice.

 

I don't know how helpful this would be, but sometimes peas, beans,

and lentils will remain sort of hard almost forever if the pH of your

cooking liquid is off. Maybe you've got some kind of strange soft or

acidic water where you are (PA?). Or perhaps tomatoes or lemon are

part of the Indian spicing?  The Romans (as well as some 19th-century

English and American cooks) used to solve this by adding a very small

pinch of soda (in their case, cooking or washing soda, in your case,

presumably baking). If you add too much, it will louse up the flavor

of the food, giving it that lovely, distinctive salty-soapy flavor.

As such, I'm not really actively recommending it, but it might be

something you could experiment with.

 

2.5 hours of ineffective cooking for any lentil that isn't a chick

pea sounds quite extreme -- I doubt the cooking time is an issue

here, per se.

 

Adamantius

 

 

Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:27:54 -0400

From: "Saint Phlip" <phlip at 99main.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] My problem cooking lentils

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

I was thinking, A, that maybe the easiest way for her to test the

water idea is to get a gallon of distilled water from the store, and

try a batch. Neither lentils nor gallons of bottled water are terribly

expensive, and this might give her an idea. I don't think we ever cook

lentils for longer than an hour, pretty much at a mumbly simmer.

 

 

Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:29:49 -0400

From: "Nick Sasso" <grizly at mindspring.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] My problem cooking lentils

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

-----Original Message-----

I was thinking, A, that maybe the easiest way for her to test the

water idea is to get a gallon of distilled water from the store, and

try a batch. Neither lentils nor gallons of bottled water are terribly

expensive, and this might give her an idea. I don't think we ever cook

lentils for longer than an hour, pretty much at a mumbly simmer.  > >  

> > >

 

You could also be dealing with some old, stale lentils. Really old legumes

and such will get tough and resist softening, so getting a new supply from a

store that presumably moves stock would give you a surity on that front

while using the distilled water and soda . . . dancing with the ceremonial

head dress and chanting the lentil cooking song.

 

niccolo difrancesco

(serious about old lentils ,. . . silly about the last part . . . all the

ideas present previous could be very very helpful)

 

 

Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:10:16 -0400

From: "Nick Sasso" <grizly at mindspring.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] My problem cooking lentils

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

-----Original Message-----

Thank you for all your good suggestions, folks. I'm thinking.... old

lentils - I do have a tendency to keep storable food *too long*...

But how old is too long? 6 months? a year?  I have a sinking feeling

that I've had these lentils over a year. (If you can't remember when

you bought them.....) > > > > > >

 

Your storage time is really just one factor.  How long they've been sitting

in the warehouse and then the grocer's shelf will be probably a bigger

impact.  3 months on your shelf is a small part of the life story of that

tiny protein disk.  A year is probably too long since dried beans and

lentils and such are really rather inexpensive.  But, airtight, cool storage

of good product from a decent volume vendor could last a year or more.  It's

about time and temperature stress as always.

 

niccolo difrancesco

 

 

Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:11:55 -0700

From: Lilinah <lilinah at earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] My problem cooking lentils

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

 

Odd... i've cooked really old lentils (hanging around my house for

well over a year, maybe even over two, and not tightly sealed) and

I've never had this problem. They were soft enough to eat in... I

think about 45 min or so... and nice and soft after an hour or 1-1/4

hours. It certainly didn't take 3 hours!

 

Soaking them overnight before you cook them ought to help shorten the

cooking time.

 

I am assuming you are using the standard lentil in the US, which is

relatively large, has a sort of olive brown skin. The tiny "French

lentils" (much smaller and a different shade of green than the

"usual") have taken much longer to cook in my experience. On the

other hand, the orange lentils often used in Indian cooking cook even

more quickly than the "usual", since they are split and skinned.

 

The orange lentils would not need to be soaked, while the French

lentils would no doubt cook more quickly if soaked. And i've no idea

how long the tiny and black "caviar lentils" take to cook as i've

only bought them already cooked.

--

Urtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM)

the persona formerly known as Anahita

 

 

Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:47:22 -0400

From: Heleen Greenwald <heleen at ptd.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] My problem cooking lentils

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

I used a yellow lentil.  I read some time ago that lentils do not

need to be pre-soaked and only take about 45 minutes to cook. I have

always had a problem cooking lentils until done enough..... I guess I

will have to test for water acidity now....It's really annoying.

 

Phillipa

 

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