eating-plates-msg - 7/25/09 ਀ഊPeriod eating plates. Roundels. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: p-tableware-msg, mazers-msg, utensils-msg, trenchers-msg, Trenchers-Hst-art, merch-pottery-msg, forks-msg, spoons-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: vcarpentier at berksys.com (Victoria Carpentier) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀昀漀漀搀⸀栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀Ⰰ爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Request:medieval feast ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㌀ 匀攀瀀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㈀㌀㨀㄀㔀㨀　㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: BSI ਀ഊ> >I want recipes to cook a medieval feast, with my kids. We have read a few ਀㸀 㸀欀椀搀猀 戀漀漀欀猀 琀栀愀琀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀 琀栀攀 爀漀礀愀氀 戀愀渀焀甀攀琀⸀  吀栀攀礀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 瀀氀愀琀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀ഊ ਀㸀 ∀吀栀攀礀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 瀀氀愀琀攀猀∀ 椀猀 愀渀 漀瘀攀爀猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀⸀  䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 琀栀攀ഊ> wealthier feasters would have trenchers ON plates. Anyway, many rich ਀ഊYou can find references to wooden and pewter plates in art works and old ਀眀爀椀琀椀渀最猀⸀  䄀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 刀攀渀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀⸀  䈀漀眀氀猀 眀攀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 挀漀洀洀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀嘀椀挀琀漀爀椀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:53:47 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 瘀樀愀爀洀猀琀爀漀渀最 愀琀 愀爀椀猀琀漀琀氀攀⸀渀攀琀 ⠀嘀愀氀漀椀猀攀 䄀爀洀猀琀爀漀渀最⤀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 圀漀漀搀攀渀 昀攀愀猀琀 最攀愀爀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀ഊ ਀㸀䄀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 瀀甀琀 琀漀 洀攀 戀礀 愀 洀攀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 洀礀 挀愀渀琀漀渀Ⰰ 愀猀 琀漀ഊ>documentation for a set of wooden feast gear she would like to make - ਀㸀眀栀愀琀 椀琀 洀椀最栀琀 氀漀漀欀 氀椀欀攀 ⠀瀀氀愀琀攀猀 瘀猀⸀ 琀爀攀渀挀栀攀爀猀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀⤀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 欀椀渀搀ഊ>of wood to use, etc. She has been having some trouble finding adequate ਀㸀爀攀猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 氀漀挀愀氀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀漀洀攀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀 椀渀 䔀猀猀攀渀 甀渀搀 吀爀椀渀欀攀渀㨀 吀愀昀攀氀猀椀琀琀攀渀 戀椀猀 稀甀洀 䄀甀猀最愀渀最ഊdes Mittelalters by Guenther Schiedlausky that show round wooden plates. ਀吀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀 爀漀甀渀搀猀 漀昀 眀漀漀搀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀 爀椀洀 漀昀 愀渀礀 欀椀渀搀 ⴀ 猀漀甀瀀礀 猀琀甀昀昀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊrun off the sides. One group of plates is completely unadorned, but there is ਀愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 猀攀琀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 猀挀攀渀攀猀 瀀愀椀渀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀攀渀琀攀爀Ⰰ 氀椀欀攀 猀攀眀椀渀最Ⰰ 栀愀爀瘀攀猀琀椀渀最Ⰰഊetc. from different months of the year. There is lettering running around ਀琀栀攀 琀栀攀 漀甀琀猀椀搀攀 琀栀攀 瀀愀椀渀琀攀搀 猀挀攀渀攀⸀ 匀挀栀椀攀搀氀愀甀猀欀礀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 猀愀礀 眀栀愀琀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀ഊwood it is, but hardwood seems reasonable. Should be easy to make. ਀ഊHave you looked at any Brueghel peasant paintings? He depicts feasts in ਀猀椀洀瀀氀攀 猀攀琀琀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 洀愀礀戀攀 栀攀 猀栀漀眀猀 猀漀洀攀 眀漀漀搀攀渀 琀愀戀氀攀眀愀爀攀 愀氀漀渀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀ഊpottery. ਀ഊValoise ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㔀 伀挀琀 㤀㠀 　　㨀㌀　㨀㐀㤀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: Dottie Elliott ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 昀攀愀猀琀眀愀爀攀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀ഊ ਀㸀䤀 樀甀猀琀 最漀琀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 愀琀 愀 猀椀琀攀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 戀攀愀甀琀椀昀甀氀 氀愀琀攀 愀渀最氀漀ⴀ猀愀砀漀渀ഊ>reproduction pottery on it. ਀ഊIf this is a web site, I would love to see the address. ਀ഊAs someone who has been studying medieval pottery (and learning to make ਀瀀漀琀琀攀爀礀⤀ 昀漀爀 愀 眀栀椀氀攀 渀漀眀 䤀 眀椀氀氀 琀爀礀 琀漀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 琀栀椀猀⸀ 䘀椀爀猀琀 漀昀 愀氀氀Ⰰ 漀甀爀ഊknowledge of the middle ages is based on what archeologist have found, ਀愀渀搀 搀爀愀眀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 瀀愀椀渀琀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 眀爀椀琀椀渀最猀 漀爀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ 䤀琀猀 洀礀 漀瀀椀渀漀渀 琀栀愀琀ഊits impossible to tell from an illuminated manuscript or painting whether ਀愀渀 椀琀攀洀 椀猀 洀攀琀愀氀Ⰰ 瀀漀琀琀攀爀礀 漀爀 眀漀漀搀⸀ 倀氀愀琀攀猀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 昀漀甀渀搀 甀渀琀椀氀ഊthe late fifteen hundreds and those were square and made of wood. Now, ਀琀栀攀礀 搀椀搀 栀愀瘀攀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀 瀀氀愀琀攀猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀愀琀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀渀 漀猀琀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀甀猀 猀栀漀眀 漀昀ഊwealth and was used as such. Often such plates (and even the more ਀戀攀愀甀琀椀昀甀氀 瀀漀琀琀攀爀礀⤀ 眀愀猀 搀椀猀瀀氀愀礀攀搀 搀甀爀椀渀最 昀攀愀猀琀猀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 甀猀攀搀 愀猀ഊanother show of wealth (you have so much you don't need to use it all). ਀ഊMost of the pottery that survives from England are pots, jugs, pitchers, ਀瀀愀渀猀 愀渀搀 氀愀琀攀爀 挀甀瀀猀Ⰰ 戀漀眀氀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀 漀渀⸀  倀漀琀琀攀爀礀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀　琀栀 ☀ഊ11th centuries was mostly rather simple (well compared to Italy). It was ਀挀爀甀搀攀氀礀 洀愀搀攀 愀渀搀 搀攀挀漀爀愀琀攀搀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 渀漀琀 愀氀氀⸀ 倀漀琀琀攀爀礀 眀愀猀 洀漀猀琀氀礀 瘀攀爀礀ഊfunctional. Cups of the time are mostly wood (bowls) or metal. Things got ਀戀攀琀琀攀爀 愀猀 琀椀洀攀 眀攀渀琀 漀渀⸀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 爀攀愀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 瀀漀琀琀攀爀礀 椀渀搀甀猀琀爀礀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀ഊcollapsed when Rome withdrew and that explains why their pottery was crude ਀攀愀爀氀礀 漀渀⸀ 䌀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 渀攀愀爀氀礀 愀猀 昀椀渀椀猀栀攀搀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 渀漀爀 愀猀 栀椀最栀氀礀ഊdecorated as Italy's pottery. ਀ഊAlso, let me say that of the cups, bowls and plates I am making, plates ਀愀爀攀 琀栀攀 栀愀爀搀攀猀琀⸀ 夀漀甀 洀甀猀琀 戀攀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀 琀漀 氀攀愀瘀攀 攀渀漀甀最栀 挀氀愀礀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀ഊto be able to use the item but if you leave too much it will warp on ਀搀爀礀椀渀最 愀渀搀 戀攀 琀漀漀 栀攀愀瘀礀⸀ 䴀礀 琀攀愀挀栀攀爀 愀最爀攀猀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊharder items to make. ਀ഊIts my personal opinion that poorer folks used simple wood bowls in their ਀漀眀渀 栀漀洀攀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 攀愀琀椀渀最 戀爀攀愀搀 ⠀渀漀琀 甀猀椀渀最 椀琀 愀猀 愀ഊplate and throwing/giving it away). This was something they could make ਀琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀ 圀漀漀搀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 戀爀攀愀欀 愀猀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 愀猀 瀀漀琀琀攀爀礀 攀椀琀栀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 愀氀猀漀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 愀琀 昀攀愀猀琀猀 昀漀氀欀猀 猀栀愀爀攀搀 昀漀漀搀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀猀⸀  䠀漀眀ഊmany people you might share with depended on your social rank. The type ਀漀昀 戀爀攀愀搀 愀渀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 愀渀搀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 昀漀漀搀 眀愀猀 搀椀挀琀愀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀椀猀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀  吀栀攀ഊtrencher was a place to put your portion that you removed from a communal ਀戀漀眀氀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 眀栀漀氀攀 爀攀愀氀洀 漀昀 攀琀琀椀焀甀攀琀琀攀 漀渀 栀漀眀 琀漀 猀栀愀爀攀 昀漀漀搀 ⠀氀椀欀攀 椀琀猀ഊbad manners to eat the trencher), share cups, etc. Its my opinion that ਀眀栀攀渀 猀攀爀瘀椀渀最 氀愀爀最攀 最爀漀甀瀀猀 漀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 戀爀攀愀搀 琀爀攀渀挀栀攀爀猀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 眀愀礀 琀漀ഊgive that many folks their own 'plate'. ਀ഊI started learning about pottery with the single intent of making period ਀氀漀漀欀椀渀最 椀琀攀洀猀 昀漀爀 搀椀猀瀀氀愀礀椀渀最 洀礀 昀漀漀搀 椀渀 䄀☀匀 挀漀渀琀攀猀琀猀⸀ 䤀 眀愀猀 猀愀搀氀礀ഊdisappointed to find that for England and France, bread trenchers are ਀眀栀愀琀 䤀 洀甀猀琀 甀猀攀⸀ 䘀漀爀 䤀琀愀氀礀Ⰰ 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀Ⰰ 䤀 挀愀渀 搀漀 瀀氀愀琀攀猀 ☀ 戀漀眀氀猀⸀ഊ ਀䌀氀愀爀椀猀猀愀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:57:16 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀愀瘀椀搀 圀愀氀搀搀漀渀 㰀搀愀瘀椀搀 愀琀 瘀愀猀琀爀攀瀀愀猀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Simple plates was Size of Trenchers ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 搀椀最 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 洀礀 戀漀漀欀猀 戀甀琀 䤀 愀洀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀ഊreference to "paper" plates (oiled parchment?) being used as an plate in ਀䤀琀愀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㐀　　✀猀⸀ 䤀䤀刀䌀 椀琀 眀愀猀 嘀攀渀攀琀椀愀渀⸀ഊDoes anyone else recall the reference? ਀伀琀栀攀爀眀椀猀攀 䤀 眀椀氀氀 猀琀愀爀琀 搀椀最最椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䔀搀甀愀爀搀漀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:35:46 -0700 (PDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 愀瘀爀攀愀氀琀漀爀 愀琀 瀀爀漀搀椀最礀⸀渀攀琀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Size of Trenchers ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀 䈀愀洀戀漀漀 瘀攀渀攀攀爀 瀀氀愀琀攀猀 洀甀渀搀愀渀攀氀礀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 眀漀爀欀 漀甀琀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 眀攀氀氀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 爀甀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀 ␀㄀ 瀀氀愀琀攀 愀渀搀 愀爀攀 戀椀漀ⴀ搀攀最爀愀搀愀戀氀攀⸀ 夀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀 欀渀漀眀 戀愀洀戀漀漀 椀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 渀漀琀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀 氀漀漀欀 愀氀漀琀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 琀栀攀渀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 愀渀搀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 氀攀猀猀 攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀 琀栀攀渀 洀愀欀椀渀最 礀漀甀爀 漀眀渀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀䄀 焀甀椀挀欀 猀攀愀爀挀栀 昀漀甀渀搀 戀甀氀欀 猀甀瀀瀀氀椀攀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀樀漀愀渀渀攀栀甀搀猀漀渀⸀挀漀洀⼀猀栀漀瀀⼀昀氀礀瀀愀最攀⼀挀愀琀攀最漀爀礀⼀搀椀渀渀攀爀眀愀爀攀开戀愀洀戀甀⼀瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀⼀瘀攀渀攀攀爀眀愀爀攀开㄀㄀椀渀开戀甀氀欀开ⴀ开㄀　　开瀀愀挀欀ഊ ਀ⴀ䴀甀椀爀椀愀琀栀 ഊ ਀ⴀⴀⴀ 伀渀 匀愀琀Ⰰ 㜀⼀㐀⼀　㤀Ⰰ 䐀愀瘀椀搀 䘀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀 㰀搀搀昀爀 愀琀 搀愀瘀椀搀搀昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊI've been corresponding with a lady who is thinking of trying to set up a period cookshop at Pennsic next year. One issue is what tos serve the food on. Bread bowls are modern, paper plates are strikingly modern and cost something, reusable plates have to be washed and risk theft. ਀ഊOne obvious answer is bread trenchers--which raises the question of how big they were. The only figure I can find is from _Le Menagier_ and seems to be 4"x6", which would be awfully small for serving food on. I'm wondering if we have other sources, and if one can make a reasonable case that trenchers were sometimes substantially larger than that--large enough to serve moderns as plates. ਀ഊAnyone have anything? ਀ⴀⴀ 䐀愀瘀椀搀⼀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:07:37 -0700 (GMT-07:00) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 氀椀氀椀渀愀栀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Size of Trenchers ਀吀漀㨀 匀䌀䄀ⴀ䌀漀漀欀猀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䄀渀 愀氀琀攀爀渀愀琀椀瘀攀 琀漀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 瀀氀愀琀攀猀 椀猀 搀椀猀瀀漀猀愀戀氀攀 搀椀渀椀渀最 眀愀爀攀 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀⸀ 一漀Ⰰ 椀 搀漀渀✀琀 洀攀愀渀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 漀渀 猀椀琀攀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 挀漀洀洀攀爀挀椀愀氀氀礀 洀愀搀攀⸀ 倀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 洀漀爀攀 攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀 琀栀愀渀 瀀愀瀀攀爀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 昀漀爀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 ⠀戀甀琀 昀椀渀攀 昀漀爀 䤀渀搀椀愀⤀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 氀攀猀猀 最氀愀爀椀渀最氀礀 洀漀搀攀爀渀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 戀甀礀 琀栀攀洀 愀琀 圀栀漀氀攀 䘀漀漀搀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 戀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 挀愀洀瀀椀渀最 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 琀漀 愀瘀漀椀搀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 眀愀猀栀椀渀最 甀瀀 愀渀搀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 椀 搀漀渀✀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 爀椀猀欀 戀爀攀愀欀椀渀最 洀礀 椀爀爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀愀戀氀攀 攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ⴀ琀礀瀀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀 搀椀渀渀攀爀眀愀爀攀 ⠀猀漀洀攀 戀礀 愀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀 椀渀 䄀甀猀琀爀愀氀椀愀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 戀礀 愀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀 昀爀漀洀 䬀攀渀琀甀挀欀礀⤀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀攀渀 椀 愀琀攀 愀琀 愀渀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀 爀攀猀琀愀甀爀愀渀琀 椀渀 匀椀渀最愀瀀漀爀攀 戀愀挀欀 椀渀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀攀 ㄀㤀㜀　猀Ⰰ 愀氀氀 搀椀渀攀爀猀 挀漀洀洀甀渀愀氀氀礀 猀愀琀 漀渀 氀漀渀最 戀攀渀挀栀攀猀 愀琀 氀漀渀最 琀愀戀氀攀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀漀渀攀 挀愀洀攀 搀漀眀渀 琀栀攀 爀漀眀猀 愀渀搀 猀氀愀瀀瀀攀搀 搀漀眀渀 愀 挀氀攀愀渀 昀爀攀猀栀 氀攀愀昀 ⴀ 氀愀爀最攀 愀渀搀 氀漀渀最Ⰰ 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀渀 愀爀攀愀 攀焀甀椀瘀愀氀攀渀琀 琀漀 愀 搀椀渀渀攀爀 瀀氀愀琀攀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀 猀栀愀瀀攀 ⴀ 椀渀 昀爀漀渀琀 漀昀 渀攀眀氀礀 愀爀爀椀瘀攀搀 搀椀渀攀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀渀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀 挀愀洀攀 搀漀眀渀 琀栀攀 爀漀眀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀琀愀椀渀氀攀猀猀 猀琀攀攀氀 ∀戀甀挀欀攀琀∀ 漀昀 爀椀挀攀Ⰰ 猀挀漀漀瀀攀搀 漀甀琀 愀 猀攀爀瘀椀渀最 愀渀搀 搀甀洀瀀攀搀 椀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 氀攀愀昀⸀ 吀栀攀渀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 挀愀洀攀 戀礀 眀椀琀栀 愀 ∀戀甀挀欀攀琀∀ 漀昀 瘀攀最攀琀愀爀椀愀渀 ∀挀甀爀爀礀∀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 挀漀渀搀椀洀攀渀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀伀渀攀 愀琀攀 眀椀琀栀 漀渀攀✀猀 栀愀渀搀猀⸀ 䄀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 愀 搀椀渀攀爀 眀愀猀 昀椀渀椀猀栀攀搀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 挀愀洀攀 愀 爀攀昀甀猀攀 戀甀挀欀攀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀眀攀瀀琀 琀栀攀 氀攀愀昀 愀渀搀 挀爀甀洀戀猀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 琀愀戀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀一漀 眀愀猀栀椀渀最 甀瀀 愀渀搀 愀氀氀 戀椀漀搀攀最爀愀搀愀戀氀攀⸀ 䄀渀搀 渀漀琀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀氀礀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀唀爀琀愀琀椀洀 ⠀琀栀愀琀✀猀 攀爀爀ⴀ琀愀栀ⴀ吀䔀䔀䴀⤀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:27:15 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䈀愀爀戀愀爀愀 䈀攀渀猀漀渀 㰀瘀漀砀攀椀最栀琀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Simple plates was Size of Trenchers ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀 猀攀攀渀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 搀漀甀戀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀椀渀最ഊparchment for this purpose. If the reference is to "paper" plates then ਀椀琀 椀猀 洀漀猀琀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 瀀愀瀀攀爀⸀ 倀愀瀀攀爀 眀愀猀 戀攀椀渀最 洀愀渀甀昀愀挀琀甀爀攀搀 椀渀ഊSpain as early as 1150 and the first of the Fabriano mills were ਀攀猀琀愀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀 䤀琀愀氀礀 椀渀 ㄀㈀㜀㘀 眀椀琀栀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 戀攀椀渀最 爀攀挀漀爀搀攀搀 愀猀 戀攀椀渀最 甀猀攀搀ഊin the same Italian area as early as 1154. By the 1400's paper would ਀栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 眀椀搀攀氀礀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 愀渀搀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 䤀琀愀氀礀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊother European countries. ਀ഊIt was considerably less expensive to manufacture than parchment and ਀眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 猀攀攀渀 愀猀 ∀搀椀猀瀀漀猀愀戀氀攀∀ 眀栀攀爀攀愀猀 瀀愀爀挀栀洀攀渀琀 眀愀猀 洀甀挀栀 洀漀爀攀ഊhighly valued for it's other uses. I would love to hear more about ਀琀栀椀猀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 瀀氀愀琀攀猀 ⴀ 瀀愀瀀攀爀 琀栀椀渀最猀 愀爀攀 漀渀攀 漀昀 洀礀 ∀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀∀ഊinterests and particularly challenging due to their very ephemeral ਀渀愀琀甀爀攀⸀ഊ-- ਀匀攀爀攀渀愀 搀愀 刀椀瘀愀ഊ ਀伀渀 匀甀渀Ⰰ 䨀甀氀 㔀Ⰰ ㈀　　㤀 愀琀 ㄀㄀㨀㔀㜀 䄀䴀Ⰰ 䐀愀瘀椀搀 圀愀氀搀搀漀渀㰀搀愀瘀椀搀 愀琀 瘀愀猀琀爀攀瀀愀猀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<<< I have to dig through my books but I am fairly certain that I have a ਀爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 ∀瀀愀瀀攀爀∀ 瀀氀愀琀攀猀 ⠀漀椀氀攀搀 瀀愀爀挀栀洀攀渀琀㼀⤀ 戀攀椀渀最 甀猀攀搀 愀猀 愀渀 瀀氀愀琀攀 椀渀ഊItaly in the 1400's. IIRC it was Venetian. ਀䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀 爀攀挀愀氀氀 琀栀攀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀㼀ഊOtherwise I will start digging. ਀圀攀 愀爀攀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 匀挀愀瀀瀀椀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 搀愀礀 琀漀搀愀礀 猀漀 椀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 琀漀洀漀爀爀漀眀⸀ഊ ਀䔀搀甀愀爀搀漀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:49:55 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 刀漀戀椀渀 䌀愀爀爀漀氀氀ⴀ䴀愀渀渀 㰀爀挀愀爀爀漀氀氀洀愀渀渀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Size of Trenchers ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 吀甀搀漀爀 愀渀搀 匀琀甀愀爀琀 琀愀戀氀攀ⴀ猀攀琀琀椀渀最猀 戀礀 倀攀琀攀爀ഊBrears in "The Appetite and the Eye". Data from the records of the ਀倀攀眀琀攀爀攀爀猀✀ 䌀漀洀瀀愀渀礀 椀渀 ㄀㔀㌀㌀ 猀甀最最攀猀琀 琀栀愀琀 瀀攀眀琀攀爀 琀爀攀渀挀栀攀爀猀 眀攀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 㜀ഊor 8 inches in diameter. He mentions wooden trenchers, both square ਀愀渀搀 爀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 最椀瘀攀 猀椀稀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 渀椀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀椀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:10:24 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀吀攀爀爀礀 䐀攀挀欀攀爀∀ 㰀琀⸀搀⸀搀攀挀欀攀爀 愀琀 愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Size of Trenchers ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䤀䤀刀䌀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 瀀愀椀渀琀椀渀最 漀昀 䨀漀栀渀 漀昀 䜀愀甀渀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀眀漀 猀焀甀愀爀攀 洀攀琀愀氀 琀爀攀渀挀栀攀爀猀 ഊjoined book style on the table before him. They appear to be about 12 ਀椀渀挀栀攀猀 猀焀甀愀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀䄀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀 猀挀攀渀攀 戀礀 䌀愀洀瀀椀 猀栀漀眀猀 爀漀甀渀搀 搀椀猀栀攀搀 瀀氀愀琀攀猀 猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 椀渀 愀 瀀氀愀琀攀 爀愀挀欀 ഊon the wall. They appear to be able to serve as plates or bowls and appear ਀琀漀 戀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀 昀漀漀琀 椀渀 搀椀愀洀攀琀攀爀⸀  吀栀攀 挀漀氀漀爀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀 搀愀爀欀 戀氀甀攀 猀漀 琀栀攀礀 ഊmight be metal or stoneware. ਀ഊBear ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ 　㘀 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㤀 　㠀㨀　　㨀㔀㔀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Elise Fleming ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 吀爀攀渀挀栀攀爀猀Ⰰ 䔀琀挀⸀  圀愀猀 匀椀稀攀 漀昀 吀爀攀渀挀栀攀爀猀ഊTo: sca-cooks ਀ഊPeter Brears, in his new book "Cooking and Dining in Medieval England, ਀猀愀礀猀 ⠀爀攀最愀爀搀椀渀最 戀爀攀愀搀 琀爀攀渀挀栀攀爀猀⤀ 琀栀愀琀 ∀瀀漀爀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 猀漀氀椀搀 昀漀漀搀猀 眀攀爀攀 ഊplaced [on them] - once they had been cut out of the joints on the ਀搀椀猀栀攀猀 ⴀ 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 挀甀琀 椀渀琀漀 猀洀愀氀氀攀爀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 愀渀搀 氀椀昀琀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ഊmouth...they were not plates. Food was never piled on them, and sloppy ਀昀漀漀搀猀 渀攀瘀攀爀 瀀氀愀挀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀洀⸀⸀⸀吀栀攀椀爀 昀甀渀挀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 琀漀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀 琀栀攀 ഊtablecloth from knife-cuts and any form of soiling, not to hold the ਀眀栀漀氀攀 漀昀 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀✀猀 攀渀琀椀爀攀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀洀⸀∀  匀漀Ⰰ 漀甀爀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 ഊtrenchers being equal to our modern plates would seem to be erroneous. ਀ഊHe cites use of silver trenchers in the 1360s and wooden trenchers being ਀猀栀椀瀀瀀攀搀 椀渀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀礀 椀渀 ㄀㐀㤀㤀 ⠀㄀㘀ⴀ㈀㔀 挀漀猀琀 愀 瀀攀渀渀礀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀爀椀渀愀 ⠀䨀愀渀攀 䈀漀礀欀漀⤀ 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 搀攀猀猀攀爀琀 琀爀攀渀挀栀攀爀猀 ⠀愀欀愀 ∀爀漀甀渀搀攀氀猀∀⤀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 ഊare some photos of some in the V&A and one at Hampton Court on my Flickr ਀瀀愀最攀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀椀挀欀爀⸀挀漀洀⼀瀀栀漀琀漀猀⼀㠀㌀㄀㄀㐀㄀㠀 愀琀 一　㠀⼀猀攀琀猀⼀㜀㈀㄀㔀㜀㘀　㐀㐀㔀㄀　㐀㔀㤀㌀㠀⼀ ⸀ഊ ਀ 唀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 嘀☀䄀 漀渀攀猀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 挀氀攀愀爀⸀  䠀攀爀 最甀攀猀猀 漀昀 㘀 椀渀挀栀攀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 ഊseem to be accurate. I found one modern source that said they were made ਀漀昀 猀礀挀愀洀漀爀攀 漀爀 戀攀攀挀栀 愀渀搀 眀攀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 㔀 ⴀ 㔀⸀㔀 椀渀挀栀攀猀 椀渀 搀椀愀洀攀琀攀爀⸀  䤀渀 ㄀㌀㤀㄀ ഊthe Earl of Derby had pewter "spyce-plates" which had weights from 6 ਀漀甀渀挀攀猀 琀漀 ㄀⸀㔀 氀戀猀⸀ഊ ਀䈀攀猀椀搀攀猀 戀攀椀渀最 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 眀漀漀搀Ⰰ 爀漀甀渀搀攀氀猀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 猀甀最愀爀 瀀愀猀琀攀 漀爀 ഊmarzipan. The banquet course (dessert) "plates" came in various shapes ਀愀渀搀 挀漀甀氀搀 攀瘀攀渀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 最氀愀猀猀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 爀攀渀琀攀搀℀⤀⸀  匀漀洀攀 眀攀爀攀 ഊoval shaped, some had a handle on one side with which to hold the plate. ਀ഊHere are some "poesies" that were I found in various books which were ਀琀愀欀攀渀 昀爀漀洀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ∀爀漀甀渀搀攀氀猀∀ 漀爀 搀攀猀猀攀爀琀 琀爀攀渀挀栀攀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀㄀⸀ 䈀攀 渀攀椀琀栀攀爀 搀甀洀戀 渀漀爀 最椀瘀攀 礀漀甀爀 琀漀渀最甀攀 琀栀攀 氀攀愀猀攀Ⰰ 䈀甀琀 猀瀀攀愀欀 琀栀漀甀 眀攀氀氀 ഊor hear and hold your peace. (Elizabethan) ਀ഊ2. I thou be young, then marry not yet/ If thou be old thou hast more ਀最攀琀琀攀⼀ 䘀漀爀 礀漀甀渀最 洀攀渀㼀猀 眀椀瘀攀猀 眀椀氀 渀漀琀 戀攀 琀愀甀最栀琀⼀ 䄀渀搀 漀氀搀 洀攀渀㼀猀 眀椀瘀攀猀 戀攀 ഊgood for naught. (16th c.) ਀ഊ3. Beshrew his heart that married me/ My wife and I can never agree/ A ਀欀渀愀瘀椀猀栀 焀甀攀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀椀猀 䤀 猀眀攀愀爀⼀ 吀栀攀 最漀漀搀洀愀渀✀猀 戀爀攀攀挀栀攀猀 猀栀攀 琀栀椀渀欀猀 琀漀 ഊwear. (16th c.) ਀ഊ4. The Ape would have half Leonard?s tayle/ To hide his bum naked as his ਀渀愀礀氀攀⼀ 吀栀攀 洀攀愀渀椀渀最 椀猀Ⰰ 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 栀愀瘀攀 猀琀漀爀攀⼀ 匀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 洀漀爀攀 氀椀戀攀爀愀氀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ഊpoor. (early 17th c.) ਀ഊ5. Biblical: All they will live Godly in Christ Jhesu must suffer ਀瀀攀爀猀攀挀甀琀椀漀渀 ㈀ 琀椀洀攀猀 ㌀⸀ഊ ਀㘀⸀ 圀攀 洀甀猀琀 攀渀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䜀漀搀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 洀甀挀栀 琀爀漀甀戀氀攀 愀渀搀 愀昀昀氀椀挀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀倀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀琀攀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 瀀氀愀椀渀 猀椀搀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 琀甀爀渀攀搀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 爀漀甀渀搀攀氀 琀漀 爀攀愀搀Ⰰ ഊsing, or perform the words on the back. Designs came from many sources. ਀ 匀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 瀀爀椀渀琀猀 眀攀爀攀 挀甀琀 漀甀琀Ⰰ 最氀甀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 ഊvarnished over. ਀ഊAlys K. ਀ⴀⴀ ഊElise Fleming ਀愀氀礀猀欀 愀琀 椀砀⸀渀攀琀挀漀洀⸀挀漀洀ഊhttp://home.netcom.com/~alysk/ ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ 　㘀 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㤀 ㈀㄀㨀㌀㠀㨀㄀㔀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Johnna Holloway ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 刀漀甀渀搀攀氀猀 眀愀猀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊContinuing what Countess Alys has already said, ਀ഊRoundels appear in a number of museum collections. ਀ഊBirmingham has this set with this description ਀∀㄀㄀ 猀礀挀愀洀漀爀攀 爀漀甀渀搀攀氀猀 椀渀 愀 挀椀爀挀甀氀愀爀 戀攀攀挀栀 戀漀砀 搀愀琀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 ㄀㔀㔀　 ഊ-1600." ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀戀洀愀最椀挀⸀漀爀最⸀甀欀⼀漀戀樀攀挀琀猀⼀㄀㤀㘀㔀吀㈀㐀㐀㄀⸀㔀ഊscroll down to see other examples to click upon. ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊSearching the collection at the V&A ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀⸀瘀愀洀⸀愀挀⸀甀欀⼀ഊ ਀漀渀攀 昀椀渀搀猀 愀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 猀瀀氀攀渀搀椀搀 猀攀琀 漀昀 ㄀㈀ഊTwelve Wonders of the World ਀䐀愀琀攀ഊ1600-1630 ਀吀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀猀ഊSycamore, with painted decoration in white and gold on black ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀⸀瘀愀洀⸀愀挀⸀甀欀⼀漀戀樀攀挀琀椀搀⼀伀㜀㠀㤀㤀㜀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊSt Albans ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀猀琀愀氀戀愀渀猀洀甀猀攀甀洀猀⸀漀爀最⸀甀欀⼀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀猀琀愀氀戀愀渀猀洀甀猀攀甀洀猀⸀漀爀最⸀甀欀⼀挀漀渀琀攀渀琀⼀瘀椀攀眀⼀昀甀氀氀⼀㄀㔀㤀㐀㘀ഊ ਀匀攀愀爀挀栀椀渀最 甀渀搀攀爀 樀甀猀琀 ∀爀漀甀渀搀攀氀∀ 琀甀爀渀猀 甀瀀 洀漀爀攀 瀀栀漀琀漀猀⸀ഊTry *http://tinyurl.com/kk2umw ਀ഊ------------ ਀ഊ*What's interesting is that prints begin to appear in books in the 17th ਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 琀栀愀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 甀猀攀搀ഊfor roundels and trenchers. * ਀∀⨀⼀㄀㈀ 倀氀愀琀攀猀 昀漀爀 挀栀攀攀稀 琀爀攀渀挀栀攀爀猀∀ഊsee http://bpi1700.cch.kcl.ac.uk/printsMonths/may2008.html/ ਀⨀ഊ*As to paper being used as suggested by Eduardo ਀䤀 挀愀洀攀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 琀栀椀猀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 ∀䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 椀渀琀爀椀最甀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀愀渀 ഊroundels, thin wooden (sometimes just varnished paper) placemats. The ਀攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 栀愀瘀攀 瀀漀攀洀猀 漀爀 瘀攀爀猀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀渀 椀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 ഊtypically handed out in box sets, very much like the cork placemats ਀攀氀搀攀爀氀礀 愀甀渀琀猀 琀漀搀愀礀 椀渀瘀愀爀椀愀戀氀礀 最椀瘀攀 愀猀 眀攀搀搀椀渀最 最椀昀琀猀⸀ 䤀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 ഊproducing a set for personal use, as well as possibly producing a set ਀昀漀爀 愀 昀攀愀猀琀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 洀攀渀甀 漀渀 漀渀攀 猀椀搀攀 愀渀搀 猀漀渀最猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀⸀ 䤀✀洀 猀琀椀氀氀 ഊin the experimental stage with these, looking for suitable artwork or ਀愀爀琀眀漀爀欀 猀琀礀氀攀猀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀礀✀搀 戀攀 瘀攀爀礀 栀愀渀搀礀 愀猀 愀渀 攀渀挀漀甀爀愀最攀洀攀渀琀 琀漀 ഊsinging for the hundreds of songs we know the chorus to but can only ਀猀琀甀洀戀氀攀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 瘀攀爀猀攀猀⸀ ⠀吀栀攀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀 猀栀漀眀渀 栀攀爀攀 栀愀猀 琀栀攀 瘀攀爀猀攀猀 昀漀爀 ഊ/Greensleeves/." This is from an SCA member's website. ਀眀攀戀挀攀渀琀爀攀⸀挀漀⸀渀稀⼀欀欀⼀瀀爀椀渀琀椀渀最⸀栀琀洀 㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀攀戀挀攀渀琀爀攀⸀挀漀⸀渀稀⼀欀欀⼀瀀爀椀渀琀椀渀最⸀栀琀洀㸀ഊ ਀䤀✀氀氀 琀漀 挀栀攀挀欀 猀漀洀攀 戀漀漀欀猀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 洀漀爀攀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 琀漀 琀栀椀猀 愀氀猀漀⸀ഊ ਀䨀漀栀渀渀愀攀ഊ ਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris eating-plates-msg Page 8 of 8 ਀ഊ