aquamaniles-msg - 4/1/10 Period horizontal jugs used to hold water for washing hands made of clay or metal. NOTE: See also the files: pottery-msg, p-tableware-msg, feastgear-msg, casting-msg, bestiaries-msg, Zoomorphics-art, Handwashing-art. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:18:29 EST From: freyja1 at juno.com (Timothy a Whitcomb) To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: aquamaniles? On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:47:50 EST writes: >What is an aquamanile, my kitten deleted the message before I could >read the first one. (and no I'm not kidding he's a little landsknecht) Ack!!! LOL! Basically, the aquamanile is (generally) a horizontal jug used to wash hands. They often were in the shape of animals or humans, and where made of metal or clay. For those in the Barony of Cleftlands (MidRealm) there is a very nice German one in the Art Museum. It is bronze and is in the form of a riderless horse...the date escapes me. Hroar Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 18:07:59 -0500 From: capriest at cs.vassar.edu (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: aquamaniles? Stefan wrote: >I think I saw several of these at the Philadelpia Museum of Art or the >NYC Met over my holiday vacation. Are these pitchers or holders of >liquid things for the table? My understanding is that they were for handwashing, not table service; at least, that's what the etymology of the name would suggest. Carolyn Priest-Dorman Thora Sharptooth capriest at cs.vassar.edu Frostahlid, Austrriki Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 13:42:49 EST From: freyja1 at juno.com (Timothy a Whitcomb) To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: aquamaniles? >Stefan wrote: SNIPPED >> Are these pitchers or holders of liquid things for the table? > >My understanding is that they were for handwashing, not table service; >at least, that's what the etymology of the name would suggest. [Aquamaniles were originally liturgical utensils for handwashing during services...later they got used at table for hand washing.] >Carolyn Priest-Dorman Thora Sharptooth Hroar Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 13:42:49 EST From: freyja1 at juno.com (Timothy a Whitcomb) To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: aquamaniles? >I think I saw several of these at the Philadelpia Museum of Art or the >NYC Met over my holiday vacation. Are these pitchers or holders of >liquid things for the table? [Not originally, but they evidently evolved that way..] > Made in the shape of various animals? [Horses, deer, cattle, humans, knights on horse back, sheep, lions, chickens and on and on...basically a horizontal jug in a fanciful shape. Many of them are bronze, but there are a goodly number of clay ones, too. And this is not surprising; potters and metal workers have "stolen" from each other through out time,with some really striking results!] >Some >of which pour out of the mouth and some of which had little spouts and >valves in them? [Yep...that's them. 8-) Weird critters, at times. I prefer the ones that pour out of their mouths; it can be so disconcerrting. Sorta like those cowhead cream dispensers that used to be seen in restaurants..] >Most had handles composed of the tail or a smaller >creature arched across the back of the bigger one > >I've never seen these mentioned before, even on the SCA-Cooks list. [Well, it is not strictly a kitchen vessel; in fact it would be more in use in Church ritual, or at feast...] SNIPPED >When and where were they used? Were simpler ones made? The only ones >I saw in the museums were fancy brass castings but that just may be >want got saved or displayed by the museums. [I would suggest these following books: "Acqamanilli; Oggetti Medievali Per Uso Sacro e Profano" Franco maria Ricci ISBN 88-216-0331-8 This is about the bronze one; all color and all in Italian; a wonderful book! The folowing books have pictures and drawings of clay aquamaniles in them: "Medieval Pottery in BritainAD900-1600" McCarthy and Brooks "Medieval English Pottery" Bernard Rackham > Stefan Hroar Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:10:21 -0600 From: froggestow at juno.com (Roberta R Comstock) To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: aquamaniles? On Mon, 04 Jan 1999 15:53:58 -0600 Stefan li Rous writes: >.... pitchers or holders of liquid things for the table? Made in the >shape of various animals? >Some of which pour out of the mouth and some of which had little spouts >and valves in them? >Most had handles composed of the tail or a smaller creature arched across the >back of the bigger one. ...... Yes! I love them! There were some on display at The Cloisters when I was there. I'm not sure where I got the idea (Maybe from the name?), But I've always thought of them as pitchers for pouring hand-washing water over the hands of dinner guests (while someone else holds a catch basin underneath). The Metropolitan has several publications containing good photos of aquamanies. I think I've also seen them in 'beastiaries' illustrated by pictures of period objects in the shape of beasts. I think it would be difficult to clean the insides if you put anything other than water into them. If/when I have an opportunity to take another pottery class, I want to hand build an aquamanile. Hertha Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 14:34:36 EST From: freyja1 at juno.com (Timothy a Whitcomb) To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: aquamaniles? SNIPPED >I think it would be difficult to clean the insides if you put anything >other than water into them. [It is..I usually advise swirling very hot water in them if they are used for things like milk or other rich environments...but still, that is not the best.] >If/when I have an opportunity to take another pottery class, I want to >hand build an aquamanile. > >Hertha Go for it!!! I will be eager to see your results! I always love to see the work of fellow potters and talk "bizness" for long, pleasant, times! I usually have aquamaniles at my booth at Pennsic, if anyone wants to look me up.. Hroar Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:58:23 -0500 From: Karen at stierbach.atlantia.sca.org (Larsdatter, Karen ) To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Aquaniles You can find some pictures of aquaniles at: Medieval Metalwork and Enamel Collection, National Gallery of Art http://www.nga.gov/collection/gallery/medieval/medieval-main1.html Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:09:04 EST From: freyja1 at juno.com (Timothy a Whitcomb) To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: aquamaniles? >Were these used in the 12th c. in England? [AS to clay ones, I am (tentatively) not finding any before 13th century England..but this is after a very cursory look-through.] >And, whereabouts in Pennsic are you usually located? [For the past 6 years I have been in Bazaar #2, across from the bathhouse and the camp store...And I am hoping to be there this year too. 8-)] [snip] >Elwynne Hroar Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:56:41 -0000 From: "Greg & Kris Olsen" To: Subject: Re: aquamaniles? We have a lovely one in Artemesia that we use for some of our peerage ceremonies, it happens to be a Griffin and we also have a bowl to catch the water in. Washing hands, washing heads, whatever the use they are the coolest things! Lady Heloise de Bec Keeper of the Regalia of Artemesia Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:26:53 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" To: Subject: Re: Aquamanilia - info sought I forwarded the original request to Meistari Hroar (who is a potter extraordinaire; he made me a lovely unicorn aquamanile) and this is what he had to say: [Looks like they are on the right track..and I don't think I can offer any help. As to nuts and bolts, they need books on how to do lost wax, and probably need to look at pictures of examples of the original aquamaniles.... I suggest "Acqamanilli; Oggetti Medievali Per Uso Sacro e Profano" Franco Maria Ricci ISBN 88-216-81982... Nothing is gonna tell them in precise terms how to make a specific aquamanile...it doesn't work that way! :-) As you well know...They can learn how to do lost wax, and they can observe the shapes of the originals, but they have to figure it out themselves as to the precise how-to...] KHvS Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:45:09 -0500 From: rmhowe To: - Potters Subject: Toss you another bone :) > > Hroar, would you please find that book you were talking about on > > Aquamanitles? > > [The book is: > "Acqamanili:Oggetti Medievali Per Uso Sacro e Profano" by > Franco Maria Ricci > ISBN 88-216-0331-81982 > > This book is in Italian, and it is about Medieval bronze aquamaniles of > European make...but it sure is inspirational..! ] This book was available again from Hacker Art Books in NYC just recently. Hacker Art Books Magnus Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:39:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] handwashing at feasts On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Mercy Neumark wrote: > There is a pitcher-like vessel called an aquamanile (I've also seen it > spelled as Aquamantle) which is normally either bronze or ceramic, that is > sculpted into an animal or I've seen as my pottery Laurel Master Hroar > Stormgengr has made, Knights on horseback. These are primarily used in > handwashing and I have a few period pictures of bronze ones, if you all are > interested in looking at them. I plan on making one this year sometime, on > top of all the other projects. Heh. Well, at least I'm busy. Ah, yes. There's a (I *think*) 14th century brass one which is supposed to be Xanthippe sitting on the back of Socrates, in the book _The Medieval Art of Love. Amongst my books I have pictures of a griffon, a lion, several knights on horseback, the aforementioned Socrates/Xanthippe, and a rooster, one or two of which I think are actually pottery. A couple of years ago I commissioned the aforementioned pottery Laurel to make one for the gentleman who is my love and inspiration. It's a hedgehog, in a 13th century style. There are pictures, somewhere. If he ever finds them again I'm supposed to send some to Hroar. It's a very cute hedgehog. Margaret Edited by Mark S. Harris aquamaniles-msg Page 6 of 6