amphoras-msg - 6/16/09 ਀ഊConical clay storage containers used in Classical times and sporadically into the Middle Ages. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: aquamaniles-msg, wine-msg, jugs-pitchrs-lnks, p-tableware-msg, Throwing-Pots-art, pottery-msg, commerce-msg, ceramics-bib, coopering-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: Eadric Anstapa ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀愀爀挀栀 ㈀㠀Ⰰ ㈀　　㠀 㘀㨀㄀㜀㨀㔀㌀ 倀䴀 䌀䐀吀ഊTo: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀崀 ∀倀攀爀椀漀搀 䌀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀猀∀ഊ ਀匀琀攀昀愀渀 氀椀 刀漀甀猀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Other than for a few days storage, what evidence do you have for wine ਀㸀 戀攀椀渀最 猀琀漀爀攀搀 椀渀 挀攀爀愀洀椀挀 樀愀爀猀 漀爀 攀瘀攀渀 樀甀最猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 ㄀㘀　　㼀ഊ ਀䠀甀栀㼀  䄀洀瀀栀漀爀愀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 栀漀氀搀Ⰰ 栀愀甀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀琀漀爀攀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最ഊwines and were ceramic jars/jugs. Used well into period and certainly ਀眀愀礀 眀愀礀 眀愀礀 瀀爀攀ⴀ瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀漀氀攀 猀栀椀瀀眀爀攀挀欀猀 氀愀搀攀渀 眀椀琀栀 䄀洀瀀栀漀爀愀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 昀椀氀氀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 眀椀渀攀 栀愀瘀攀ഊbeen found. ਀ഊGo to the Aphoras project at ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀挀栀愀猀猀⸀甀琀漀爀漀渀琀漀⸀挀愀⼀愀洀瀀栀漀爀愀猀⼀挀最椀ⴀ戀椀渀⼀眀攀氀氀㼀    愀渀搀 攀渀琀攀爀  眀椀渀攀ഊas a search term and you'll get plenty of documentation references. ਀ഊ-EA ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䔀愀搀爀椀挀 䄀渀猀琀愀瀀愀 㰀攀愀搀爀椀挀 愀琀 猀挀愀戀爀攀眀攀爀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: March 28, 2008 7:11:37 PM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 ⴀ 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Ansteorra] "Period Containers" ਀ഊStefan li Rous wrote: ਀㸀 䤀 眀愀猀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 漀昀 猀琀漀爀愀最攀 漀昀 眀椀渀攀 愀琀 琀愀戀氀攀 愀渀搀ഊ> such that could be conveniently resealed. ਀ഊRather than just the larger ones that were used for transport, smaller ਀愀洀瀀栀漀爀愀 眀栀攀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 甀猀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀愀戀氀攀 愀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀 琀栀愀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀ഊresealed. Some had little racks to hand them in, others even had a base where they were freestanding. Like this one: ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀甀瀀氀漀愀搀⸀眀椀欀椀洀攀搀椀愀⸀漀爀最⼀眀椀欀椀瀀攀搀椀愀⼀挀漀洀洀漀渀猀⼀琀栀甀洀戀⼀戀⼀戀㔀⼀䄀渀昀漀爀愀最爀攀最愀ⴀ ഊatenas.jpg/377px-Anforagrega-atenas.jpg ਀伀爀 氀椀欀攀 䐀爀攀猀猀攀氀 琀礀瀀攀猀 ㈀㠀 漀爀 ㈀㤀⸀  栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀戀挀⸀猀攀⼀縀瀀愀⼀洀愀爀⼀搀爀攀猀猀攀氀⸀栀琀洀ഊ ਀ഊ-EA ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䨀漀栀渀 䄀琀欀椀渀猀漀渀∀ 㰀樀漀栀渀洀愀琀欀椀渀猀漀渀 愀琀 最洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: March 29, 2008 6:30:33 AM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 ∀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 ⴀ 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀∀ 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Ansteorra] "Period Containers" ਀ഊOn Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Stefan li Rous ਀㰀匀琀攀昀愀渀氀椀刀漀甀猀 愀琀 愀甀猀琀椀渀⸀爀爀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> On Mar 28, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Eadric Anstapa wrote: ਀㸀  吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀⸀ 䤀 眀愀猀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 漀昀 猀琀漀爀愀最攀 漀昀 眀椀渀攀 愀琀 琀愀戀氀攀 愀渀搀ഊ> such that could be conveniently resealed. But it is a good point that ਀㸀  愀洀瀀栀漀爀愀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 猀漀洀攀 瀀愀猀琀 䌀氀愀猀猀椀挀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀 昀漀爀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀椀渀最 眀椀渀攀⸀ഊ> That site seems to give 6th century as the latest, and even then only ਀㸀  椀渀 琀栀攀 攀愀猀琀攀爀渀 䴀攀搀椀琀攀爀爀愀渀攀愀渀⸀ 一漀琀 猀甀爀攀 眀栀礀 琀栀攀 甀猀攀 漀昀 愀洀瀀栀漀爀愀 猀攀攀洀猀ഊ> to have dropped off in the beginning of medieval times, unless it has ਀㸀  琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 搀攀洀椀猀攀 漀昀 挀椀瘀椀氀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 琀爀愀搀攀⸀ഊ ਀伀䐀䈀 猀愀礀猀 愀洀瀀栀漀爀愀 愀爀攀 椀渀 甀猀愀最攀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 愀渀搀ഊhave been found in 10th century sites in Cherson, Pliska, Tomis, and ਀䐀椀渀漀最攀琀椀愀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㐀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 戀攀最椀渀 琀漀 戀攀 爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀搀Ⰰ 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 戀礀ഊbarrels (which do not survive). They are used for everything from ਀氀愀爀最攀ⴀ猀挀愀氀攀 猀栀椀瀀瀀椀渀最 琀漀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 猀琀漀爀愀最攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀瀀愀爀挀栀 ⠀㄀　琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⤀ 爀攀昀攀爀猀 琀漀 欀愀瀀攀氀漀椀 ⠀眀椀渀攀ഊmerchants) who sell in wine in three measures--stathmoi (30 litrai), ਀愀渀最攀椀愀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀椀渀愀椀⸀  吀栀攀 洀椀渀愀 眀愀猀 ㌀ 氀椀琀爀愀椀⸀  䄀 氀椀琀爀愀 椀猀 愀 甀渀椀琀 漀昀ഊweight approx 320g, not sure precisely how that translates into a ਀氀椀焀甀椀搀 洀攀愀猀甀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀䄀猀 昀漀爀 挀漀渀瘀攀渀椀攀渀琀氀礀 爀攀猀攀愀氀攀搀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀甀戀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 愀渀 椀猀猀甀攀ഊgiven the way even modern Greeks put it away. ਀ഊAt any rate, the demise of the amphora in the West is undoubtedly ਀氀椀渀欀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 渀攀愀爀ⴀ琀漀琀愀氀 挀漀氀氀愀瀀猀攀 漀昀 猀攀愀 琀爀愀搀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䴀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 㜀琀栀ഊcentury. I can recommend a good book on the subject. ਀ഊIoannes Dalassenos ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䄀渀琀栀漀渀礀 一⸀ 䔀洀洀攀氀∀ 㰀氀漀爀搀开欀樀攀爀愀渀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: March 29, 2008 12:38:34 PM CDT ਀吀漀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊSubject: [Ansteorra] Amphorae ਀ഊFrom: Stefan li Rous ਀㰀㰀㰀 䈀甀琀 椀琀 椀猀 愀 最漀漀搀 瀀漀椀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 ഊamphora were used some past Classical times for transporting wine. ਀吀栀愀琀 猀椀琀攀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 愀猀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀攀猀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 攀瘀攀渀 琀栀攀渀 漀渀氀礀 ഊin the eastern Mediterranean. Not sure why the use of amphora seems ਀琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 搀爀漀瀀瀀攀搀 漀昀昀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀攀最椀渀渀椀渀最 漀昀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀Ⰰ 甀渀氀攀猀猀 椀琀 栀愀猀 ഊto do with the general demise of civilization and trade. ਀ഊ Ward-Perkins in his book The Fall of Rome and the End of Civilization uses the evidence in arachaelogical digs of pottery, including amphorae, as a clue to the breakdown in trade and production after the fall of Rome. Intersting study. ਀ഊ http://www.amazon.com/Fall-Rome-End-Civilization/dp/0192807285/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206812096&sr=1-1 ਀ഊ Bernhard von Bruck ਀  刀漀猀攀渀昀攀氀搀ഊ ਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris amphoras-msg Page 3 of 3 ਀ഊ