gingerbread-msg - 3/24/08 ਀ഊMedieval gingerbread. Recipes. Not like modern gingerbread cake. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: ginger-msg, desserts-msg, gilded-food-msg, pastries-msg, candy-msg, cookies-msg, honey-msg, sugar-msg, sotelties-msg, Cndied-Ginger-art. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀  栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀  栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀  愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀  漀昀  攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀  眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀  眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀  眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀  渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀  愀猀  琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀  漀昀  琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  最椀瘀攀渀  戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀  爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀  愀渀搀  攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀  琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀  琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀  挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀  漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀  椀猀  甀渀挀氀攀愀爀  愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀  椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀  椀猀  瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀  昀爀漀洀  琀栀攀猀攀  洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: Margritte ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㤀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㔀㨀㌀㄀㨀㈀㄀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊSubject: Re: SC - Feast Themes/gingerbread ਀ഊ>Lady Margritte may grace us with the exact recipe. She makes a ਀㸀圀伀一䐀䔀刀䘀唀䰀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 㨀漀⤀ഊ ਀ऀ吀栀攀 搀愀爀欀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 ⠀猀攀攀 戀攀氀漀眀⤀ 椀猀 琀栀攀 漀渀攀 䤀 洀愀搀攀 昀漀爀 昀爀愀 渀椀挀✀猀ഊfeast. I also entered 2 types of gingerbread in the most recent Kingdom A&S ਀挀漀洀瀀攀琀椀琀椀漀渀⸀ 吀栀攀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 戀攀氀漀眀⸀ 䄀猀 渀椀挀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 搀愀爀欀ഊgingerbread is wonderful (if I do say so myself :-). The fine gingerbread ਀眀愀猀 愀 搀椀猀愀瀀瀀漀椀渀琀洀攀渀琀⸀ 䤀 洀愀搀攀 椀琀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䤀 挀愀洀攀 甀瀀 眀椀琀栀ഊsomething edible. I tried both wax paper and foil, and it stuck to both of ਀琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 瀀甀氀氀 椀琀 漀昀昀⸀ 圀栀愀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀ഊinstead? The redaction says "kitchen parchment". What is it? ਀ഊ- -Margritte ਀ഊThe History of Gingerbread ਀ഊ Modern gingerbread uses flour as a thickener, but in the Middle ਀䄀最攀猀Ⰰ 攀椀琀栀攀爀 戀爀攀愀搀 挀爀甀洀戀猀 漀爀 最爀漀甀渀搀 愀氀洀漀渀搀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 甀猀攀搀⸀ഊGingerbread made with bread crumbs was considered "coarse" gingerbread. The ਀挀爀甀洀戀猀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 洀椀砀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 栀漀渀攀礀 愀渀搀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 猀愀渀搀愀氀眀漀漀搀 漀爀ഊred wine to make the mixture red. ਀ऀ䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 眀愀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀 挀漀渀昀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀ഊAges. It was often sold at fairs, molded into gingerbread men. Likewise, it ਀眀愀猀 愀氀猀漀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 愀琀 渀漀戀氀攀猀✀ 栀椀最栀 琀愀戀氀攀猀Ⰰ 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀氀礀 猀挀甀氀瀀琀攀搀 愀渀搀 最椀氀搀攀搀 眀椀琀栀ഊreal gold. ਀ഊ ਀圀栀椀琀攀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 ⠀䘀椀渀攀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀⤀ഊ ਀䐀椀渀椀渀最 圀椀琀栀 圀椀氀氀椀愀洀 匀栀愀欀攀猀瀀攀愀爀攀 最椀瘀攀猀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀搀愀挀琀椀漀渀㨀ഊ ਀吀漀 䴀愀欀攀 圀栀椀琀攀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀㨀 吀愀欀攀 栀愀氀昀攀 愀 瀀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 洀愀爀挀栀瀀愀椀渀攀 瀀愀猀琀Ⰰ 愀 焀甀愀爀琀攀爀ഊof a pound of white Ginger beaten and cerst, halfe a pound of the powder of ਀爀攀昀椀渀攀搀 猀甀最愀爀Ⰰ 戀攀愀琀攀 琀栀椀猀 琀漀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 昀椀渀攀 瀀愀猀琀攀 眀椀琀栀 搀爀愀最愀最愀渀琀 猀琀攀攀瀀琀 椀渀ഊrose-water, then roule it in round cakes and print it with your moulds: dry ਀琀栀攀洀 椀渀 愀渀 漀瘀攀渀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 戀爀攀愀搀攀 椀猀 搀爀愀眀渀攀 昀漀漀爀琀栀Ⰰ 甀瀀漀渀 眀栀椀琀攀 瀀愀瀀攀爀猀Ⰰ ☀ 眀栀攀渀ഊthey be very dry, box them, and keepe them all the year. (From John ਀䴀甀爀爀攀氀氀Ⰰ 䄀 䐀攀氀椀最栀琀昀甀氀氀 搀愀椀氀礀 攀砀攀爀挀椀猀攀 昀漀爀 䰀愀搀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 䜀攀渀琀氀攀眀漀洀攀渀⤀⸀ഊ ਀刀攀搀愀挀琀椀漀渀㨀ഊ1/2 pound almond paste ਀㈀ 琀戀猀瀀 爀漀猀攀 眀愀琀攀爀ഊ1 tsp gum arabic ਀㄀⼀㈀ 挀甀瀀 挀漀渀昀攀挀琀椀漀渀攀爀猀✀ 猀甀最愀爀ഊ1 tbsp ground ginger ਀ഊ Rub the almond paste throught the medium holes of a grater into a ਀洀椀砀椀渀最 戀漀眀氀⸀ 倀甀琀 琀栀攀 爀漀猀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 椀渀琀漀 愀 猀愀甀挀攀爀Ⰰ 愀搀搀 琀栀攀 最甀洀 愀爀愀戀椀挀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀琀椀爀ഊuntil the gum disolves. Sift the sugar with the ginger, stir in the ਀搀椀猀猀漀氀瘀攀搀 最甀洀 愀爀愀戀椀挀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀椀砀 甀渀琀椀氀 眀攀氀氀 戀氀攀渀搀攀搀⸀ 䄀搀搀 琀栀椀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀氀洀漀渀搀ഊpaste and work it in quickly but thoroughly. ਀ऀ䐀椀瘀椀搀攀 琀栀攀 瀀愀猀琀攀 椀渀琀漀 琀眀攀渀琀礀ⴀ昀漀甀爀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀⸀ 刀漀氀氀 攀愀挀栀 瀀椀攀挀攀 椀渀琀漀 愀ഊball, flatten it to 1/4 inch thick, and print a design on the top with one ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀攀爀愀洀椀挀 漀爀 眀漀漀搀 洀漀氀搀猀 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 瀀爀椀渀琀椀渀最 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 猀攀爀瘀椀渀最猀 漀昀ഊbutter, or make criss-cross patterns with a fork. ਀ऀ䌀漀瘀攀爀 愀 挀漀漀欀椀攀 猀栀攀攀琀 眀椀琀栀 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 爀椀挀攀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 漀爀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀ഊparchment and place the cakes on it. Bake at 200=B0 for twenty minutes, then ਀琀甀爀渀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 栀攀愀琀 愀渀搀 氀攀琀 琀栀攀 挀愀欀攀猀 挀漀漀氀 椀渀 琀栀攀 漀瘀攀渀 昀漀爀 昀椀昀琀攀攀渀 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀⸀ഊRemove the cakes from the paper and finish cooling on a wire grill. Store ਀椀渀 猀椀渀最氀攀 氀愀礀攀爀猀 椀渀 愀渀 愀椀爀琀椀最栀琀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ圀栀攀渀 䤀 洀愀搀攀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀Ⰰ 䤀 甀猀攀搀 猀洀愀氀氀 氀椀渀漀氀攀甀洀 戀氀漀挀欀猀 琀漀 瀀爀椀渀琀ഊdesigns in the tops of the cookies. The biggest problem was the gingerbread ਀猀琀椀挀欀椀渀最 琀漀 愀渀礀 猀甀爀昀愀挀攀 椀琀 眀愀猀 挀漀漀欀攀搀 漀渀⸀ഊ This same book also mentions an ordinary or "coarse" gingerbread, ਀洀愀搀攀 昀爀漀洀 最爀愀琀攀搀 戀爀攀愀搀 挀爀甀洀戀猀 眀椀琀栀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀攀氀搀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 戀礀 眀椀渀攀 漀爀ഊclarified honey, although it does not give a recipe. ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀爀欀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 ⠀䌀漀愀爀猀攀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀⤀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 吀甀搀漀爀 䬀椀琀挀栀攀渀 䌀漀漀欀攀爀礀 䈀漀漀欀 最椀瘀攀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 ∀䜀礀渀最攀爀戀爀攀搀攀∀⸀ഊTheir source is T. Austin: Two Fifteenth Century Cookery Books, 1888. ਀ഊTake a quart of honey and sethe it and skime it clene; take Safroun, pouder ਀倀攀瀀椀爀 愀渀搀 琀栀爀漀眀 琀栀攀爀漀渀㬀 琀愀欀攀 最爀愀琀礀搀 䈀爀攀搀攀 愀渀搀 洀愀欀攀 椀琀 猀漀 挀栀愀爀最攀愀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀ഊwol be y-lechyd; then take pouder canelle and straw ther-on y-now; then ਀洀愀欀攀 椀琀 猀焀甀愀爀攀Ⰰ 氀礀欀攀 愀猀 琀栀漀甀 眀漀氀琀 氀攀挀栀攀 礀琀㬀 琀愀欀攀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀漀 氀攀挀栀礀猀琀 栀礀琀Ⰰ 愀渀ഊcaste Box leves a -bowyn, y-stykyd ther-on, on clowys. An if thou wold have ਀椀琀 刀攀搀Ⰰ 挀漀氀漀甀爀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 匀愀甀渀搀攀爀礀猀 礀ⴀ渀漀眀⸀ഊ ਀刀攀搀愀挀琀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀 戀漀漀欀㨀ഊ ਀㄀ 氀戀⸀ 䌀氀攀愀爀 栀漀渀攀礀ഊ1 lb. Fresh white bread crumbs ਀㈀ 琀猀瀀 最爀漀甀渀搀 挀椀渀渀愀洀漀渀ഊ2 tsp ground ginger ਀㄀ 琀猀瀀 最爀漀甀渀搀 戀氀愀挀欀 瀀攀瀀瀀攀爀ഊfresh box leaves and whole cloves to decorate ਀ഊ1. Warm the honey until quite runny (modern honey does not give off a scum ਀猀漀 渀攀攀搀猀 渀漀 挀氀攀愀渀椀渀最⤀⸀ 倀漀甀爀 椀渀琀漀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 戀漀眀氀 愀渀搀 洀椀砀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀爀攀愀搀挀爀甀洀戀猀ഊand spices. It should be very stiff, if not add a few more breadcrumbs. If ਀礀漀甀 眀椀猀栀 琀漀 昀漀氀氀漀眀 琀栀攀 吀甀搀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀 愀渀搀 挀漀氀漀甀爀 琀栀攀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀 爀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 愀搀搀 愀ഊfew drops of red food colouring or powder to the honey before mixing. ਀㈀⸀ 䰀椀渀攀 愀 猀栀愀氀氀漀眀 爀攀挀琀愀渀最甀氀愀爀 挀愀欀攀 琀椀渀 ⠀漀爀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 琀椀渀⤀ 眀椀琀栀 渀漀渀ⴀ猀琀椀挀欀ഊpaper or foil and press the mixture into it. If it is a little difficult to ਀搀漀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 瀀爀攀猀猀 搀漀眀渀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 昀椀渀最攀爀猀 搀椀瀀瀀攀搀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀 椀渀 挀漀氀搀ഊwater. ਀㌀⸀ 䔀渀猀甀爀攀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 椀猀 焀甀椀琀攀 氀攀瘀攀氀Ⰰ 愀氀氀漀眀 琀漀 昀椀爀洀 甀瀀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀爀椀搀最攀 昀漀爀 愀渀ഊhour or two then turn out onto another sheet of paper and cut into small ਀猀焀甀愀爀攀猀⸀ഊ4. Stick two small box leaves into each square with a whole clove in the ਀挀攀渀琀爀攀⸀ഊ5. For a better effect, divide the mixture in two and colour one half red, ਀琀栀攀渀 洀愀欀攀 琀眀漀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 猀焀甀愀爀攀猀 愀渀搀 愀爀爀愀渀最攀 琀栀攀洀 愀氀琀攀爀渀愀琀攀氀礀 漀渀 愀 氀愀爀最攀ഊplate, chequerboard style. ਀ഊ The above is the recipe I used as a basis for my gingerbread with a ਀昀攀眀 洀漀搀椀ⴀ昀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ 䘀椀爀猀琀 漀昀 愀氀氀Ⰰ 䤀 愀搀搀攀搀 琀栀攀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 栀漀渀攀礀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䤀ഊadded the breadcrumbs, so that the spices would be well-distributed. I used ਀昀漀漀搀 挀漀氀漀爀 琀漀 爀攀搀搀攀渀 椀琀 樀甀猀琀 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀⸀ 吀漀 昀氀愀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀Ⰰ 䤀 爀漀氀氀攀搀 椀琀ഊwith a rolling pin between two pieces of wax paper. ਀ऀ䤀 愀氀猀漀 昀漀甀渀搀 漀甀琀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 瘀攀爀礀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀ⴀⴀ 吀栀攀ഊfirst time I rolled out the mixture, it never set properly because it was ਀琀漀漀 洀漀椀猀琀⸀ 匀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 搀愀礀猀 氀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 䤀 最愀瘀攀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 瀀氀漀瀀瀀攀搀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 洀攀猀猀 戀愀挀欀ഊinto the sauce pan, re-heated it, and added more breadcrumbs. It worked ਀氀椀欀攀 愀 挀栀愀爀洀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 挀漀洀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 䌀甀爀礀攀 漀渀 䤀渀最氀礀攀猀猀挀栀Ⰰ 瀀⸀ ㄀㔀㐀 ⠀䜀漀甀搀 䬀漀欀攀爀礀ഊno. 18), as quoted on Cariadoc's web page: ਀⠀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀瀀戀洀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀氀椀渀搀愀栀氀⼀挀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀⼀洀椀猀挀攀氀氀愀渀礀⸀栀琀洀氀⤀ഊ ਀吀漀 洀愀欀攀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀搀攀⸀ 吀愀欀攀 最漀漀搀攀 栀漀渀攀礀 ☀ 挀氀愀爀椀昀椀攀 椀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀攀爀攀Ⰰ ☀ 琀愀欀攀ഊfayre paynemayn or wastel brede & grate it, & caste it into the boylenge ਀栀漀渀礀Ⰰ ☀ 猀琀攀爀攀 椀琀 眀攀氀氀 琀漀最礀搀攀爀 昀愀猀琀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀欀氀礀猀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 戀爀攀渀 渀漀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀ഊvessell. & thanne take it doun and put therin ginger, longe pepper & ਀猀愀甀渀搀爀攀猀Ⰰ ☀ 琀攀洀瀀攀爀攀 椀琀 瘀瀀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀椀渀 栀愀渀搀攀猀㬀 ☀ 琀栀愀渀 瀀甀琀 栀攀洀 琀漀 愀 昀氀愀琀琀ഊboyste & strawe theron suger, & pick therin clowes rounde aboute by the ਀攀最最攀 愀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀礀搀攀猀Ⰰ 礀昀 椀琀 瀀氀攀挀攀 礀漀甀Ⰰ ☀挀⸀ഊ ਀伀渀攀 昀椀渀愀氀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 挀漀愀爀猀攀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 挀漀洀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 䜀攀爀瘀愀猀攀 䴀愀爀欀栀愀洀✀猀 ∀吀栀攀ഊEnglish Hous-wife" (1615), as quoted in To The Queen's Taste: ਀ഊTake a quart of Honey clarified, and seeth it till it be brown, and if it ਀戀攀 琀栀椀挀欀Ⰰ 瀀甀琀 椀琀 琀漀 愀 搀椀猀栀 漀昀 眀愀琀攀爀㨀 琀栀攀渀 琀愀欀攀 昀椀渀攀 挀爀甀洀戀猀 漀昀 眀栀椀琀攀 戀爀攀愀搀ഊgrated, and put to it, and stirre it well, and when it is almost cold, put ਀琀漀 椀琀 琀栀攀 瀀漀眀搀攀爀 漀昀 䜀椀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 䌀氀漀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 䌀椀渀渀愀洀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 䰀椀挀漀爀愀猀 愀渀搀ഊAnniseeds: then knead it, and put it into a mould and print it. Some use to ਀瀀甀琀 琀漀 椀琀 愀氀猀漀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 倀攀瀀瀀攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 愀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 甀渀琀漀 琀愀猀琀攀 愀渀搀ഊpleasure. ਀ഊ ਀䈀椀戀氀椀漀最爀愀瀀栀礀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 吀甀搀漀爀 䬀椀琀挀栀攀渀 䌀漀漀欀攀爀礀 䈀漀漀欀Ⰰ 刀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 愀搀愀瀀琀攀搀 昀漀爀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 甀猀攀 戀礀 刀漀稀 䐀攀渀渀礀Ⰰഊ ਀䐀椀渀椀渀最 圀椀琀栀 圀椀氀氀椀愀洀 匀栀愀欀攀猀瀀攀愀爀攀Ⰰ 戀礀 䴀愀搀最攀 䰀漀爀眀椀渀㬀 䄀琀栀攀渀攀甀洀Ⰰ 一攀眀 夀漀爀欀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㜀㘀⸀ഊ ਀吀漀 吀栀攀 儀甀攀攀渀✀猀 吀愀猀琀攀㨀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀愀渀 䘀攀愀猀琀猀 愀渀搀 刀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 䄀搀愀瀀琀攀搀 昀漀爀 䴀漀搀攀爀渀ഊCooking, by Lorna J. Sass; the Metropolitan Museum of Art. ਀ഊA History of Food, by Maguelonne Toussaint-Samat, translated from the ਀㴀㐀㘀爀攀渀挀栀 戀礀 䄀渀琀栀攀愀 䈀攀氀氀Ⰰ 愀 䈀氀愀挀欀眀攀氀氀 刀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 戀漀漀欀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 䌀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀Ⰰ 戀礀 嘀愀氀攀爀椀攀 䈀愀爀爀攀琀琀㬀 䌀栀愀爀琀眀攀氀氀 䈀漀漀欀猀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀ഊ ਀䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀㨀 一椀渀攀琀礀ⴀ一椀渀攀 䐀攀氀椀挀椀漀甀猀 刀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 匀眀攀攀琀 琀漀 匀愀瘀漀爀礀Ⰰ 戀礀 䰀椀渀搀愀ഊMerinoff, a Fireside book published by Simon and Schuster, Inc. New York, ਀䰀漀渀搀漀渀Ⰰ 吀漀爀漀渀琀漀Ⰰ 匀礀搀渀攀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 吀漀欀礀漀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Mark Schuldenfrei ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㤀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㔀㨀㐀㘀㨀㌀㌀ ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Feast Themes/gingerbread ਀ഊ I tried both wax paper and foil, and it stuck to both of ਀  琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 瀀甀氀氀 椀琀 漀昀昀⸀ 圀栀愀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀ഊ instead? The redaction says "kitchen parchment". What is it? ਀ഊMargritte, parchment is a type of "paper" that is relatively burn proof, and ਀椀猀 昀爀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 戀愀欀椀渀最⸀  ⠀䘀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 戀愀欀攀搀 昀椀猀栀 漀爀 挀栀椀挀欀攀渀 椀渀ഊparchment, with herbs, are WONDEROUS). ਀ഊThe solution (I expect: and have used) is to grease the paper heavily. ਀  ഊ Modern gingerbread uses flour as a thickener, but in the Middle ਀  䄀最攀猀Ⰰ 攀椀琀栀攀爀 戀爀攀愀搀 挀爀甀洀戀猀 漀爀 最爀漀甀渀搀 愀氀洀漀渀搀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 甀猀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䠀洀洀洀⸀  䨀甀猀琀 琀漀 渀椀琀瀀椀挀欀 昀漀爀 愀 猀攀挀漀渀搀Ⰰ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 猀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀ഊuses flour as a thickener... it is used as an ingredient, including the ਀猀琀攀瀀猀 眀栀攀爀攀 椀琀 昀漀爀洀猀 最氀甀琀攀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀愀欀攀猀 愀 爀椀猀椀渀最 搀漀甀最栀⸀ഊ ਀  ऀ䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 眀愀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀 挀漀渀昀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀ഊ Ages. It was often sold at fairs, molded into gingerbread men. Likewise, it ਀  眀愀猀 愀氀猀漀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 愀琀 渀漀戀氀攀猀✀ 栀椀最栀 琀愀戀氀攀猀Ⰰ 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀氀礀 猀挀甀氀瀀琀攀搀 愀渀搀 最椀氀搀攀搀 眀椀琀栀ഊ real gold. ਀ഊNot doubting you in the slightest, but source, please? I'd like to know ਀洀漀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀✀瘀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 挀漀愀爀猀攀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 ⠀椀渀 琀栀攀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 昀愀猀栀椀漀渀⤀ 椀猀 愀 ∀瀀椀挀欀 椀琀ഊup and work it with your hands" kind of material. Dust them with ਀挀漀渀昀攀挀琀椀漀渀攀爀猀 猀甀最愀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 愀 最漀漀搀 琀椀洀攀 琀漀 爀攀洀椀渀搀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 琀栀愀琀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 挀漀渀昀攀挀琀椀漀渀攀爀猀ഊsugar is adulterated with non-period ingredients, generally. ਀ഊ Tibor ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 倀栀椀氀椀瀀 ☀ 匀甀猀愀渀 吀爀漀礀 㰀琀爀漀礀 愀琀 愀猀愀渀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊDate: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:42:57 -0400 ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䘀攀愀猀琀 吀栀攀洀攀猀⼀最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀ഊ ਀䴀愀爀欀 匀挀栀甀氀搀攀渀昀爀攀椀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> This is probably a good time to remind people that modern confectioners ਀㸀 猀甀最愀爀 椀猀 愀搀甀氀琀攀爀愀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀渀ⴀ瀀攀爀椀漀搀 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀         吀椀戀漀爀ഊ ਀吀漀 眀椀琀Ⰰ 挀漀爀渀猀琀愀爀挀栀⸀ 匀攀攀洀猀 愀猀 椀昀 琀栀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 搀甀猀琀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 挀漀渀昀攀挀琀椀漀渀攀爀猀✀ഊsugar as a sort of lubricant would have been done with an oiled marble ਀猀琀漀渀攀 愀渀搀 眀攀琀 栀愀渀搀猀Ⰰ 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ 倀愀爀琀氀礀 琀栀椀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 椀琀ഊwas very difficult to make fine powdered sugar by hand. I speak with the ਀愀甀琀栀漀爀椀琀礀 漀昀 漀渀攀 眀栀漀 洀愀搀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀眀漀 瀀漀甀渀搀猀 漀昀 洀愀爀稀椀瀀愀渀 椀渀 愀 戀椀最 猀琀漀渀攀ഊmortar at a demo a few weeks ago, using whole blanched almonds and a ਀戀氀漀挀欀 漀昀 猀甀最愀爀⸀ഊ ਀䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: david friedman ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㤀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㈀　㨀㄀㄀㨀㐀㐀 ⴀ　㜀　　 ⠀倀䐀吀⤀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Feast Themes/gingerbread ਀ഊAt 3:31 PM -0500 6/19/97, Margritte wrote: ਀㸀戀甀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀ഊ>Ages, either bread crumbs or ground almonds would have been used. ਀ഊThe almond recipe given below is either 16th of 17th century (anyone know ਀琀栀攀 攀砀愀挀琀 搀愀琀攀 漀昀 䴀甀爀爀攀氀氀⤀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀⸀ 䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀渀礀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀ഊrecipes using almonds instead of breadcrumbs? There is another gingerbread ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 最椀瘀攀渀ഊbelow--basically cooked honey plus spices, apparently used as a confection ਀漀爀 愀猀 愀渀 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀 椀渀 漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀椀渀最猀⸀ഊ ਀匀漀 椀琀 氀漀漀欀猀Ⰰ 愀戀猀攀渀琀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 愀猀 琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 ∀挀漀愀爀猀攀∀ 愀渀搀 ∀昀椀渀攀∀ഊgingerbread, if that is what they were called, were not medieval ਀挀漀渀琀攀洀瀀漀爀愀爀椀攀猀 戀甀琀 愀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 搀椀猀栀 愀渀搀 愀 刀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀 搀椀猀栀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀ഊmedieval dish surviving (as per the Markham recipe) into the Renaissance.. ਀ഊ>White Gingerbread (Fine Gingerbread) ਀㸀ഊ>Dining With William Shakespeare gives the following recipe and redaction: ਀㸀ഊ>To Make White Gingerbread: Take halfe a pound of marchpaine past, a quarter ਀㸀漀昀 愀 瀀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 眀栀椀琀攀 䜀椀渀最攀爀 戀攀愀琀攀渀 愀渀搀 挀攀爀猀琀Ⰰ 栀愀氀昀攀 愀 瀀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀漀眀搀攀爀 漀昀ഊ>refined sugar, beate this to a very fine paste with dragagant steept in ਀㸀爀漀猀攀ⴀ眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 爀漀甀氀攀 椀琀 椀渀 爀漀甀渀搀 挀愀欀攀猀 愀渀搀 瀀爀椀渀琀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 洀漀甀氀搀猀㨀 搀爀礀ഊ>them in an oven when the breade is drawne foorth, upon white papers, & when ਀㸀琀栀攀礀 戀攀 瘀攀爀礀 搀爀礀Ⰰ 戀漀砀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 欀攀攀瀀攀 琀栀攀洀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 礀攀愀爀⸀ ⠀䘀爀漀洀 䨀漀栀渀ഊ>Murrell, A Delightfull daily exercise for Ladies and Gentlewomen). ਀㸀ഊ>Redaction: ਀㸀㄀⼀㈀ 瀀漀甀渀搀 愀氀洀漀渀搀 瀀愀猀琀攀ഊ>2 tbsp rose water ਀㸀㄀ 琀猀瀀 最甀洀 愀爀愀戀椀挀ഊ>1/2 cup confectioners' sugar ਀㸀㄀ 琀戀猀瀀 最爀漀甀渀搀 最椀渀最攀爀ഊ ਀一漀琀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 栀愀猀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀椀攀猀ⴀⴀ愀渀搀 琀栀攀 ∀爀攀搀愀挀琀椀漀渀∀ 椀最渀漀爀攀猀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊBased on the almond paste, this is supposed to be one full recipe. But it ਀栀愀猀 挀漀渀瘀攀爀琀攀搀 愀 焀甀愀爀琀攀爀 漀昀 愀 瀀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 最椀渀最攀爀 椀渀琀漀 愀 琀愀戀氀攀猀瀀漀漀渀⠀℀℀℀⤀ 愀渀搀 愀ഊcup (half a pound) of sugar into half a cup. ਀ഊWith regard to the dark gingerbread, which has been one of my standards for ਀洀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 椀琀 椀猀 攀愀猀礀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀Ⰰ 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 欀攀攀瀀猀Ⰰ 䤀 渀漀爀洀愀氀氀礀 戀爀椀渀最ഊthe honey to a boil, as per the original ("sethe it"), then stir in the ਀戀爀攀愀搀 挀爀甀洀戀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 椀琀 椀猀 挀漀漀氀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 栀愀渀搀氀攀 欀渀攀愀搀 椀琀ഊto a smooth texture by hand. ਀ഊDavid/Cariadoc ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀搀搀昀爀⼀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: alysk at ix.netcom.com (Elise Fleming ) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀　 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 　㜀㨀㔀㔀㨀　㔀 ⴀ　㔀　　 ⠀䌀䐀吀⤀ഊSubject: SC - White Gingerbread, Gums Tragacanth & Arabic ਀ഊIt was written: ਀㸀圀栀椀琀攀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 ⠀䘀椀渀攀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀⤀ഊ ਀㸀䐀椀渀椀渀最 圀椀琀栀 圀椀氀氀椀愀洀 匀栀愀欀攀猀瀀攀愀爀攀 最椀瘀攀猀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 愀渀搀 ഊ>redaction: ਀ഊ>To Make White Gingerbread: Take halfe a pound of marchpaine past, a ਀㸀焀甀愀爀琀攀爀 漀昀 愀 瀀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 眀栀椀琀攀 䜀椀渀最攀爀 戀攀愀琀攀渀 愀渀搀 挀攀爀猀琀Ⰰ 栀愀氀昀攀 愀 瀀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 ഊ>the powder of refined sugar, beate this to a very fine paste with ਀㸀搀爀愀最愀最愀渀琀 猀琀攀攀瀀琀 椀渀 爀漀猀攀ⴀ眀愀琀攀爀 ⠀洀甀挀栀 猀渀椀瀀瀀愀最攀⤀ ഊ^^^^^^^^^ ਀ഊ>Redaction: ਀㸀㄀⼀㈀ 瀀漀甀渀搀 愀氀洀漀渀搀 瀀愀猀琀攀ഊ>2 tbsp rose water ਀㸀㄀ 琀猀瀀 最甀洀 愀爀愀戀椀挀  ⠀洀甀挀栀 猀渀椀瀀瀀愀最攀⤀ഊ ^^^^^^^^^^ ਀䜀甀洀 琀爀愀最愀挀愀渀琀栀 ⠀搀爀愀最愀最愀渀琀Ⰰ 搀爀愀最漀渀⤀ 愀渀搀 最甀洀 愀爀愀戀椀挀 愀爀攀 一伀吀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 ഊthing and don't necessarily _do_ the same thing in a recipe. ਀吀爀愀最愀挀愀渀琀栀 椀猀 愀 戀椀渀搀攀爀 愀渀搀 猀琀爀攀渀最琀栀攀渀攀爀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 猀甀最愀爀 ഊpaste. Replacing tragacanth with arabic might lead to some of the ਀瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀搀⸀ 䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 渀漀琀攀 琀栀愀琀 眀栀椀氀攀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 椀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ഊ"gingerbread" it is almond based, not bread based. It's a delicious ਀爀攀挀椀瀀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最 愀猀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 愀猀 漀渀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 ഊgingerbread to be. ਀ഊ>Cover a cookie sheet with a piece of rice paper or kitchen ਀㸀瀀愀爀挀栀洀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀挀攀 琀栀攀 挀愀欀攀猀 漀渀 椀琀⸀ ഊ ਀䤀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀⸀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀 攀愀琀 琀栀攀 爀椀挀攀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 戀甀琀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀✀琀 攀愀琀 ഊthe kitchen parchment. ਀ഊI don't recall having sticking problems when I did the recipe but there ਀眀攀爀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 甀猀攀 挀漀洀洀攀爀挀椀愀氀 愀氀洀漀渀搀 瀀愀猀琀攀 ഊ(too sweet) and made my own. Also the tragacath versus arabic ਀搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀⸀  䤀 搀椀搀 戀愀欀攀 琀栀攀洀 漀渀 瀀愀爀挀栀洀攀渀琀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 愀渀搀 ∀瀀爀椀渀琀攀搀∀ 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀礀猀 䬀愀琀栀愀爀椀渀攀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Margritte ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀　 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㈀　㨀㐀㈀㨀㔀㜀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊSubject: Re: SC - Feast Themes/gingerbread ਀ഊ> Gingerbread was one of the most popular confections of the Middle ਀㸀  䄀最攀猀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 漀昀琀攀渀 猀漀氀搀 愀琀 昀愀椀爀猀Ⰰ 洀漀氀搀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 洀攀渀⸀ 䰀椀欀攀眀椀猀攀Ⰰ 椀琀ഊ> was also served at nobles' high tables, carefully sculpted and gilded with ਀㸀  爀攀愀氀 最漀氀搀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀一漀琀 搀漀甀戀琀椀渀最 礀漀甀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀氀椀最栀琀攀猀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 猀漀甀爀挀攀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀㼀  䤀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀ഊ>more. ਀ഊThat information is actually distilled from several sources, but most of ਀琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 䤀 甀猀攀搀 愀爀攀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 戀愀挀欀 愀琀 琀栀攀 氀椀戀爀愀爀礀 ⠀猀攀攀 戀椀戀氀椀漀最爀愀瀀栀礀 愀琀 琀栀攀ഊend of my previous post). I was able to dig up some of my xeroxes, though. ਀ഊFrom _The Complete Book of Gingerbread_, by Valerie Barrett, pp 16-17: ਀ऀ∀吀栀攀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 甀渀爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀愀戀氀攀 琀漀搀愀礀⸀ഊBread crumbs tossed with honey and spices were dried out or baked into ਀栀愀爀搀Ⰰ 挀爀甀洀戀氀礀Ⰰ 昀氀愀琀 挀愀欀攀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀愀欀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 瀀爀攀猀猀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 洀漀氀搀猀 琀漀ഊform beautiful and elaborate pictures. Gingerbread men, called gingerbread ਀栀甀猀戀愀渀搀猀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀洀攀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀 椀渀 渀漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 䈀爀椀琀愀椀渀⸀ 䌀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 愀 最椀昀琀 昀椀琀 昀漀爀 愀ഊking, or an appropriate ending to a great banquet, huge slabs of ਀最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 眀攀爀攀 最椀氀搀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 爀攀愀氀 最漀氀搀 愀渀搀 猀琀甀搀搀攀搀 搀攀挀漀爀愀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 眀椀琀栀ഊgold-dipped cloves. Dark gingerbreads got their reddish-brown color from ਀猀愀渀搀愀氀眀漀漀搀 漀爀 爀攀搀 眀椀渀攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀攀 眀栀椀琀攀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 眀愀猀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀ഊginger-flavored marzipan." ਀ഊThe other books made similar comments, but I don't have them in front of me ਀爀椀最栀琀 渀漀眀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀ ⴀ䴀愀爀最爀椀琀琀攀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: david friedman ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀　 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㈀㌀㨀㐀　㨀㔀㤀 ⴀ　㜀　　 ⠀倀䐀吀⤀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Feast Themes/gingerbread ਀ഊAt 8:42 PM -0500 6/20/97, Margritte wrote: ਀㸀吀栀愀琀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 搀椀猀琀椀氀氀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀ഊ>the books I used are already back at the library (see bibliography at the ਀㸀攀渀搀 漀昀 洀礀 瀀爀攀瘀椀漀甀猀 瀀漀猀琀⤀⸀ 䤀 眀愀猀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 搀椀最 甀瀀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 洀礀 砀攀爀漀砀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀㸀䘀爀漀洀 开吀栀攀 䌀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀开Ⰰ 戀礀 嘀愀氀攀爀椀攀 䈀愀爀爀攀琀琀Ⰰ 瀀瀀 ㄀㘀ⴀ㄀㜀㨀ഊ> "The medieval version of gingerbread would be unrecognizable today. ਀㸀䈀爀攀愀搀 挀爀甀洀戀猀 琀漀猀猀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 栀漀渀攀礀 愀渀搀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 搀爀椀攀搀 漀甀琀 漀爀 戀愀欀攀搀 椀渀琀漀ഊ>hard, crumbly, flat cakes. ਀ഊThat passage doesn't give me much confidence in the secondary source. I ਀挀愀渀✀琀 瀀爀漀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀 眀栀愀琀 猀栀攀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀猀 眀愀猀渀✀琀 洀愀搀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 椀渀ഊthe English 14th and 15th c. sources doesn't fit either of her ਀搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀猀ⴀⴀ椀琀 眀愀猀渀✀琀 ∀搀爀椀攀搀 漀甀琀Ⰰ∀ 椀琀 眀愀猀渀✀琀 ∀琀漀猀猀攀搀 眀椀琀栀Ⰰ∀ 愀渀搀 椀琀 眀愀猀渀✀琀ഊbaked. ਀ഊ>"while white gingerbread was actually ਀㸀最椀渀最攀爀ⴀ昀氀愀瘀漀爀攀搀 洀愀爀稀椀瀀愀渀⸀∀ഊ ਀䠀愀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀渀礀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 昀椀琀 琀栀椀猀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀ⴀⴀ愀猀 漀瀀瀀漀猀攀搀ഊto 16th or 17th century ones? ਀ഊDo you remember if she says what her sources were? ਀ഊDavid/Cariadoc ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀搀搀昀爀⼀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: gfrose at cotton.vislab.olemiss.edu (Terry Nutter) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㈀㄀ 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㐀㨀㌀㌀㨀㌀㤀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊSubject: Re: SC - Feast Themes/gingerbread ਀ഊHi, Katerine here. Cariadoc responds to Magritte: ਀ഊ>>>From _The Complete Book of Gingerbread_, by Valerie Barrett, pp 16-17: ਀㸀㸀ऀ∀吀栀攀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 甀渀爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀愀戀氀攀 琀漀搀愀礀⸀ഊ>>Bread crumbs tossed with honey and spices were dried out or baked into ਀㸀㸀栀愀爀搀Ⰰ 挀爀甀洀戀氀礀Ⰰ 昀氀愀琀 挀愀欀攀猀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀吀栀愀琀 瀀愀猀猀愀最攀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 最椀瘀攀 洀攀 洀甀挀栀 挀漀渀昀椀搀攀渀挀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀愀爀礀 猀漀甀爀挀攀⸀ 䤀ഊ>can't prove that what she describes wasn't made, but the standard recipe in ਀㸀琀栀攀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 ㄀㐀琀栀 愀渀搀 ㄀㔀琀栀 挀⸀ 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 昀椀琀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 漀昀 栀攀爀ഊ>descriptions--it wasn't "dried out," it wasn't "tossed with," and it wasn't ਀㸀戀愀欀攀搀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀㸀∀眀栀椀氀攀 眀栀椀琀攀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 眀愀猀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀ഊ>>ginger-flavored marzipan." ਀㸀ഊ>Has anyone found any medieval recipes that fit this description--as opposed ਀㸀琀漀 ㄀㘀琀栀 漀爀 ㄀㜀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 漀渀攀猀㼀ഊ ਀䤀 愀最爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀✀猀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀 漀渀 戀爀攀愀搀ⴀ挀爀甀洀戀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀 ഊseen a 13th to 15th C recipe for almond-based. However, there *are* two ਀欀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㐀琀栀ⴀ㄀㔀琀栀 䌀 挀漀爀瀀甀猀⸀  伀渀攀 椀猀 琀栀攀 猀琀甀昀昀 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊdescribes. The other, while it is not almond based, is pretty clearly a ਀挀愀渀搀礀 椀渀 漀甀爀 琀攀爀洀猀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 愀 挀愀欀攀ⴀ氀椀欀攀 猀琀甀昀昀⸀  䤀✀洀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀 漀昀ഊmoving, and all my sources are packed. I should be able to give details ਀椀渀 愀 洀漀渀琀栀 漀爀 猀漀⸀ഊ ਀䌀栀攀攀爀猀Ⰰഊ- -- Katerine/Terry ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ 　㔀 匀攀瀀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㈀㨀㈀㜀㨀　　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Philip & Susan Troy ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 匀䌀ⴀ䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 䄀搀瘀椀挀攀 一攀攀搀攀搀ഊ ਀䜀䄀刀一䔀刀 愀琀 愀搀洀椀渀⸀栀渀挀⸀攀搀甀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> My favorite non-period-so-far-as-I-know gingerbread recipe, "Uncle Mel's ਀㸀 吀爀椀瀀氀攀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀Ⰰ∀ 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀猀 最爀愀琀攀搀 昀爀攀猀栀 最椀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 瀀漀眀搀攀爀攀搀 最椀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊ> minced candied ginger. Does anyone know how far back in time candied ਀㸀 最椀渀最攀爀 最漀攀猀㼀ഊ ਀䘀漀甀爀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 漀爀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 椀渀 䌀栀椀焀甀愀爀琀✀猀ഊ"Fait du Cuisine", of which I have no copy, otherwise I would try to ਀瀀漀猀琀 椀琀⸀ ഊ ਀䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 10 Sep 97 09:51:23 CST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䴀攀氀椀猀猀愀 䴀愀爀琀椀渀攀猀∀ 㰀洀攀氀椀猀猀愀⸀洀愀爀琀椀渀攀猀 愀琀 洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀爀瀀昀愀洀椀氀礀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: SC - Gingerbread ਀ഊ Aoife, ਀     䄀戀漀甀琀 礀漀甀爀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀     䤀 洀愀搀攀 愀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 挀愀欀攀Ⰰ 挀甀琀 椀渀琀漀 愀 栀攀爀愀氀搀椀挀 爀漀猀攀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 愀 昀爀椀攀渀搀✀猀 ഊ SCA wedding. ਀     ഊ I got the recipes from "A Fifteenth Century Cookery Book" which quoted ਀     椀琀 昀爀漀洀 䠀愀氀攀爀椀愀渀⸀ഊ ਀     吀漀 欀攀攀瀀 椀琀 昀爀漀洀 戀攀椀渀最 琀漀漀 栀愀爀搀 ⠀氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 最爀愀渀漀氀愀 戀愀爀 琀攀砀琀甀爀攀 礀漀甀 ഊ mentioned) I made my own saffron bread (also a 15th century recipe) ਀     愀渀搀 漀渀氀礀 氀攀琀 椀琀 猀椀琀 漀渀攀 搀愀礀 ⠀猀漀 椀琀 眀愀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 猀漀昀琀⤀⸀  䤀 甀猀攀搀 ഊ a pound of honey, one large loaf of bread, and about a teaspoon of ਀     攀愀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀 ⠀瀀攀瀀瀀攀爀Ⰰ 最椀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 挀椀渀渀愀洀漀渀 愀渀搀 猀愀昀昀爀漀渀⤀⸀ഊ ਀     䤀 最漀琀 愀 最爀攀愀琀Ⰰ 戀爀漀眀渀椀攀ⴀ氀椀欀攀 挀漀渀猀椀猀琀攀渀挀礀  愀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 栀漀琀 ഊ enough to be pleasing, but not uncomfortable. ਀     ഊ Hope that helps some. ਀     䴀漀爀最愀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:28:31 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䰀 䠀攀爀爀ⴀ䜀攀氀愀琀琀 愀渀搀 䨀 刀 䜀攀氀愀琀琀 㰀氀椀漀渀琀愀洀爀 愀琀 瀀琀搀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: SC - Aoife's Gingerbread recipe results ਀ഊWell, I think I have the whole Gingerbread thing worked out. It's ਀焀甀椀琀攀 琀愀猀琀礀⸀ 䤀 渀漀琀椀挀攀搀 琀栀攀 最爀椀琀琀椀渀攀猀猀 刀愀稀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀ഊway it's supposed to be. I chose to serve it in a pool of cream, for ਀琀攀砀琀甀爀攀⼀昀氀愀瘀漀爀 挀漀渀琀爀愀猀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 戀爀愀最 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀⸀ 䤀琀✀猀 洀愀爀瘀攀氀漀甀猀⸀ 䤀ഊchose to use commercial Italian style bread, as being heavier and ਀∀眀栀攀愀琀椀攀爀∀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 洀漀爀攀 洀漀甀琀栀ⴀ昀攀攀氀 琀栀愀渀 漀琀栀攀爀 琀礀瀀攀猀⸀ 䤀昀 椀琀 眀愀猀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀ഊbe gritty, I wanted it to be gritty on purpose. Italian bread makes dense , ਀昀椀渀攀 挀爀甀洀戀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀漀氀搀 琀栀攀椀爀 渀甀琀琀椀渀攀猀猀⸀ 䤀琀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 眀攀氀氀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 栀漀渀攀礀 愀渀搀ഊspices, too. ਀ഊHere's my redaction, along with the original. Feel free to use it and print ਀椀琀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀⸀ 倀氀攀愀猀攀 一漀琀攀 椀琀 眀愀猀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 瀀漀猀琀攀搀 琀漀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 戀礀 琀栀攀ഊauthor. A copy of those reprints is appreciated. Please give me credit by ਀渀愀洀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 爀攀搀愀挀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀氀漀渀最 眀椀琀栀 洀礀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䰀⸀ 䠀攀爀爀ⴀ䜀攀氀愀琀琀Ⰰ 刀刀ഊ1 Box 500F, Honesdale PA 18431 USA, liontamr at ptd.net . This recipe is ਀挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 匀攀瀀琀攀洀戀攀爀 ㄀　Ⰰ ㄀㤀㤀㜀 愀琀 ㈀㨀㈀　 瀀洀 戀礀 䰀⸀ 䠀攀爀爀ⴀ䜀攀氀愀琀琀⸀ഊ ਀匀漀爀爀礀 昀漀爀 氀攀最愀氀 昀漀氀搀攀爀漀氀⸀ 䤀 昀攀攀氀 猀琀爀漀渀最氀礀 愀戀漀甀琀 瀀爀漀琀攀挀琀椀渀最 爀椀最栀琀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 渀攀琀℀ഊHope you enjoy the recipe. My 3-year old ate it up! ਀ഊ ਀䄀漀椀昀攀⼀䰀⼀ 䠀攀爀爀ⴀ䜀攀氀愀琀琀ഊ ਀䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀搀攀 ⠀䌀甀爀礀攀 漀渀 䤀渀最氀礀猀挀栀⤀ഊ ਀吀愀欀攀 最漀漀搀攀 栀漀渀礀攀 ☀ 挀氀愀爀椀昀椀攀 椀琀 漀渀 ⠀琀栀⤀ 昀攀爀攀Ⰰ ☀ 琀愀欀攀 昀愀礀爀攀 瀀愀渀攀洀愀礀渀 漀爀 眀愀猀琀爀攀氀 戀爀攀搀攀 ☀ 最爀愀琀攀 椀琀Ⰰ ☀ 挀愀猀琀 椀琀 椀渀琀漀 ⠀琀栀⤀攀 戀漀礀氀攀渀最攀 栀漀渀礀Ⰰ ☀ 猀琀攀爀攀 椀琀 眀攀氀氀 琀漀最礀搀攀爀 昀愀猀琀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀欀氀礀猀攀 ⠀琀栀⤀愀琀 椀琀 戀爀攀渀 渀漀琀 琀漀 ⠀琀栀⤀攀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀⸀ ☀ ⠀琀栀⤀愀渀渀攀 琀愀欀攀 椀琀 搀漀甀渀 愀渀搀 瀀甀琀 ⠀琀栀⤀攀爀椀渀 最椀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 氀漀渀最 瀀攀瀀攀爀攀 ☀猀愀甀渀搀攀爀猀Ⰰ ☀琀攀洀瀀攀爀攀 椀琀 甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 ⠀琀栀⤀椀渀 栀愀渀搀攀猀㬀 ☀ 琀栀愀渀 瀀甀琀 栀攀洀 琀漀 愀 昀氀愀琀琀 戀漀礀猀琀攀 ☀ 猀琀爀愀眀 ⠀琀栀⤀攀爀漀渀 猀甀最攀爀Ⰰ ☀ 瀀椀挀欀 ⠀琀栀⤀攀爀椀渀 挀氀漀眀攀猀 爀漀甀渀搀攀 愀戀漀甀琀攀 戀礀 ⠀琀栀⤀攀 攀⠀搀⤀最最攀 愀渀搀 椀渀 ⠀琀栀⤀攀 洀礀搀攀猀Ⰰ 礀昀 椀琀 瀀氀攀挀攀 礀漀甀⸀ ഊ ਀ഊAccording to Mistress Sincgiefu, another similar ms reccomends serving decorated with boxwood leaves and another suggests putting it in boxwood boxes. I'm rather partial to decorating it with something green. Not having saunders to color the mixture red, I chose some cinnamon, which darkened the mixture a little and helped add that "bite" I wes after in redacting the recipe, and is a usual "modern" addition. ਀ഊAoife's Gingerbread (It bites back!) ਀ഊ1-- 1 lb 4 oz loaf of italian-style sliced bread, several days old. ਀㄀ ㄀⼀㌀ 挀甀瀀猀 栀漀渀攀礀ഊ2 tsp. powdered ginger ਀㄀ ㄀⼀㈀ 琀猀瀀⸀ 瀀漀眀搀攀爀攀搀 挀椀渀渀愀洀漀渀ഊ1/8-1/4 tsp ground white pepper ਀匀甀最愀爀ഊWhole Cloves (optional) ਀䈀漀砀眀漀漀搀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀 攀搀椀戀氀攀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 漀爀  洀愀爀稀椀瀀愀渀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 ⠀漀瀀琀椀漀渀愀氀⤀ഊ ਀䐀爀礀 戀爀攀愀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀氀礀 漀渀 漀瘀攀渀 爀愀挀欀猀 漀渀 氀漀眀攀猀琀 猀攀琀琀椀渀最 甀渀琀椀氀 瘀攀爀礀 搀爀礀 戀甀琀 猀琀椀氀氀 瀀愀氀攀⸀ 䜀爀椀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀氀椀挀攀猀 椀渀琀漀 瘀攀爀礀 昀椀渀攀 挀爀甀洀戀猀 椀渀 愀 昀漀漀搀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀漀爀⸀ 匀攀琀 愀猀椀搀攀 椀渀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 戀漀眀氀⸀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 栀攀愀瘀礀ⴀ戀漀琀琀漀洀攀搀 瀀漀琀Ⰰ 栀攀愀琀 栀漀渀攀礀 愀渀搀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀 ⠀攀砀挀攀瀀琀 挀氀漀瘀攀猀⤀  漀渀 栀椀最栀 琀漀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 瀀漀椀渀琀⸀ 刀攀搀甀挀攀 栀攀愀琀 愀渀搀 愀氀氀漀眀 琀漀 戀漀椀氀 甀渀琀椀氀 愀 猀漀昀琀ⴀ戀愀氀氀 猀琀愀最攀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 爀攀愀挀栀攀搀⸀ 刀攀洀漀瘀攀 昀爀漀洀 栀攀愀琀 椀洀洀攀搀椀愀琀攀氀礀⸀⨀⨀⨀唀猀攀 挀愀甀琀椀漀渀℀ 吀栀椀猀 栀漀渀攀礀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀 戀漀椀氀猀 漀瘀攀爀 爀愀瀀椀搀氀礀 愀渀搀 挀愀渀 挀愀甀猀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀 戀甀爀渀猀⸀ 倀氀攀愀猀攀 眀愀琀挀栀 琀栀攀 瀀漀琀 挀愀爀攀昀甀氀氀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 欀攀攀瀀 挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀漀漀洀⸀⨀⨀⨀ഊ ਀倀漀甀爀 栀漀渀攀礀 漀瘀攀爀 戀爀攀愀搀挀爀甀洀戀猀 愀渀搀 琀漀猀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀ 䄀氀氀漀眀 琀漀 挀漀漀氀 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 甀猀攀 礀漀甀爀 栀愀渀搀猀 琀漀 挀漀洀戀椀渀攀 琀栀攀 栀漀渀攀礀 愀渀搀 挀爀甀洀戀猀 琀栀漀爀漀甀最栀氀礀⸀ ഊ ਀倀愀挀欀 琀栀攀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀  椀渀琀漀 ㈀  㠀砀㌀ⴀ㄀⼀㈀砀㈀ⴀ㄀⼀㈀  氀漀愀昀 瀀愀渀猀 氀椀渀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 瀀愀爀挀栀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 眀愀砀攀搀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 漀爀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 眀爀愀瀀⸀ 倀爀攀猀猀 搀漀眀渀 栀愀爀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀爀昀愀挀攀 琀漀 挀漀洀瀀愀挀琀⸀ 匀瀀爀椀渀欀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 猀甀最愀爀⸀ 匀琀甀搀 眀椀琀栀 挀氀漀瘀攀猀 椀昀 搀攀猀椀爀攀搀⸀ 䰀攀琀 猀椀琀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 栀漀甀爀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 椀搀攀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 漀瘀攀爀 渀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀 眀椀氀氀 洀椀渀最氀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀 眀椀氀氀 猀攀琀ⴀ甀瀀⸀ഊ ਀吀漀 匀攀爀瘀攀㨀ഊUnmold and remove wrap from gingerbread. Serve whole, decorated with boxwood or marzipan leaves or other edible leaves, if desired (sliced oranges would look pretty, too). Serve on a very dark plates for color contrast. ਀ഊAlthough the original does not suggest to do so, this is particularly good when served in a pool of unsweetened cream. The smooth richness of the cream and the spicy grittiness of the gingerbread compliment each other very well. ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㄀ 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㌀㨀㔀㘀㨀㐀㜀 ⴀ　㠀　　ഊFrom: Beverly Viel ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䴀攀搀椀愀攀瘀愀氀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 愀渀搀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 挀爀攀愀洀⸀⸀⸀⸀搀攀猀猀攀爀琀ഊ ਀吀漀 洀愀欀攀 昀椀渀攀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀⸀ഊ ਀吀愀欀攀 琀栀爀攀攀 猀琀愀氀攀 䴀愀渀挀栀攀琀猀Ⰰ 最爀愀琀攀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 搀爀礀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀攀愀琀 琀栀攀洀㬀 琀栀攀渀 猀椀昀琀 琀栀攀洀ഊthorow a fine sieve; then put to them one ounce ਀漀昀 䜀椀渀最攀爀 戀攀愀琀攀渀 愀渀搀 猀攀愀爀挀攀搀 昀椀渀攀Ⰰ 愀猀 洀甀挀栀 䌀椀渀渀愀洀漀渀Ⰰ 栀愀氀昀 愀渀 漀甀渀挀攀 漀昀 䄀渀椀猀攀攀搀猀Ⰰഊand half an ounce of Liquorice, half a ਀瀀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 猀甀最愀爀㬀 戀漀礀氀氀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀猀攀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 愀 焀甀愀爀琀 漀昀 䌀氀愀爀攀琀 圀椀渀攀 琀椀氀氀 椀琀ഊcome to a stiffe paste; then mould it on a Table with ਀愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 䘀氀漀眀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀漀甀氀 椀琀 瘀攀爀礀 琀栀椀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀爀椀渀琀 椀琀 椀渀 洀漀甀氀搀猀㬀 搀甀猀琀 礀漀甀爀ഊmoulds with some of your powdered spices. ਀ഊ[This recipe came from" ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀眀眀瀀⸀戀爀漀眀渀⸀攀搀甀⼀瘀漀氀　㌀渀甀洀　㈀⼀昀爀漀洀琀戀　㌀㈀⸀栀琀洀氀崀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:31:11 -0800 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 匀甀猀愀渀 䘀漀砀ⴀ䐀愀瘀椀猀 㰀猀攀氀攀渀攀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Mediaeval gingerbread and a little cream....dessert ਀ഊIt's from The Cooks Guide: or, Rare Receipts for Cookery, 1664 ਀戀礀 䠀愀渀渀愀栀 圀漀氀氀攀礀⸀  䐀漀攀猀渀✀琀 焀甀椀琀攀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 挀甀琀 昀漀爀 匀䌀䄀 琀椀洀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀ഊnice little collection from a VERY interesting web site, the Women Writers Project of Brown University. ਀ഊSelene ਀猀攀氀攀渀攀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:26:43 -0600 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀攀挀欀攀爀Ⰰ 吀攀爀爀礀 䐀⸀∀ 㰀吀攀爀爀礀䐀 愀琀 䠀攀愀氀琀栀⸀匀琀愀琀攀⸀伀䬀⸀唀匀㸀ഊSubject: SC - Panforte - OOP but perioid ਀ഊAttending Wiesenfeuer Yule Revel in Oklahoma City this past weekend, I ਀瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀搀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 椀琀攀洀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 瀀漀琀氀甀挀欀 昀攀愀猀琀⸀  吀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 眀愀猀 愀 昀漀甀爀ഊpound braided loaf with raisins stuffed in the braids. The second was ਀瀀愀渀昀漀爀琀攀⸀ഊ ਀伀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀猀椀猀 漀昀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀瀀漀挀爀礀瀀栀愀氀Ⰰ 瀀愀渀昀漀爀琀攀ഊseems to be traceable to a tithe paid by the tenants of the Monastery of ਀䴀漀渀琀攀挀攀氀氀攀猀椀 椀渀 匀椀攀渀愀 琀漀 琀栀攀 洀漀渀愀猀琀攀爀礀 眀栀椀挀栀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 昀漀爀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀ഊpanpepati e meilati or pepper and honey breads. The tithe was paid February ਀㜀Ⰰ ㄀㈀　㔀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀攀 渀漀琀 瀀爀漀瘀愀戀氀攀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀Ⰰ 椀猀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 琀漀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀猀⸀ഊThe result is very rich and should be served in small pieces. ਀ഊBear ਀ഊPanforte ਀ഊ2 cups blanched, toasted almonds, coarsely chopped or slivered ਀㄀ 挀甀瀀 爀愀椀猀椀渀猀Ⰰ 娀愀渀琀攀 爀愀椀猀椀渀猀 ⠀挀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀⤀Ⰰ 漀爀 最漀氀搀攀渀 爀愀椀猀椀渀猀ഊ1 cup chopped dates ਀㄀ 琀攀愀猀瀀漀漀渀 最爀愀琀攀搀 氀攀洀漀渀 瀀攀攀氀ഊ1 teaspoon ground cinnamon ਀㄀⼀㐀 琀攀愀猀瀀漀漀渀 最爀漀甀渀搀 挀氀漀瘀攀猀ഊ1/4 teaspoon grated nutmeg ਀㄀⼀㠀 琀攀愀猀瀀漀漀渀 最爀漀甀渀搀 戀氀愀挀欀 瀀攀瀀瀀攀爀ഊ1/2 cup flour ਀ഊ3/4 cup sugar ਀㌀⼀㐀 挀甀瀀 栀漀渀攀礀ഊ3 tablespoons butter ਀ഊMix the dry ingredients in a bowl, set aside. ਀䜀爀攀愀猀攀 愀 㤀 琀漀 ㄀㄀ 椀渀挀栀 猀瀀爀椀渀最昀漀爀洀 漀爀 琀愀爀琀 瀀愀渀 眀椀琀栀 愀 爀攀洀漀瘀愀戀氀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀⸀  䰀椀渀攀ഊit with baker's parchment and grease the parchment. ਀䌀漀洀戀椀渀攀 琀栀攀 猀甀最愀爀Ⰰ 栀漀渀攀礀 愀渀搀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 椀渀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 猀愀甀挀攀 瀀愀渀 愀渀搀 戀爀椀渀最 琀漀 愀 戀漀椀氀ഊover medium heat. When the syrup is between the soft and firm ball stages ਀⠀愀戀漀甀琀 ㈀㐀㔀 搀攀最爀攀攀猀 䘀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀漀爀漀甀最栀氀礀 洀椀砀 琀栀攀 猀礀爀甀瀀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 搀爀礀 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀猀 琀漀ഊmake a stiff batter. ਀匀挀爀愀瀀攀 琀栀攀 戀愀琀琀攀爀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀攀搀 瀀愀渀⸀  匀瀀爀攀愀搀 愀渀搀 猀洀漀漀琀栀 椀琀⸀ഊBake in a pre-heated 300 degree F oven for about 40 minutes. ਀刀攀洀漀瘀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 漀瘀攀渀 愀渀搀 氀攀琀 挀漀漀氀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀㔀 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀⸀  匀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 眀愀氀氀猀 昀爀漀洀ഊthe base. ਀䄀氀氀漀眀 琀栀攀 瀀愀渀昀漀爀琀攀 琀漀 挀漀漀氀 漀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀猀攀⸀ഊRemove from base. Peel off parchment and serve. ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㠀 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㄀㨀㄀㌀㨀㔀㐀 ⴀ　㠀　　ഊFrom: david friedman ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 一攀爀瘀攀 䈀椀猀焀甀椀琀猀㼀㼀㼀ഊ ਀䄀琀 ㄀　㨀㄀㜀 倀䴀 ⴀ　㘀　　 ㄀⼀㈀㜀⼀㤀㤀Ⰰ 䰀愀搀礀 䐀椀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>I believe the ਀㸀猀椀琀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 爀攀昀攀爀爀攀搀 琀漀 ✀一攀爀瘀攀 戀椀猀挀甀椀琀猀✀ 椀猀 椀渀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 猀椀琀攀 眀栀椀挀栀ഊ>gives the history of gingerbread, but it could be this one. Did you try ਀㸀猀攀愀爀挀栀椀渀最 昀漀爀 ✀瀀攀瀀瀀愀爀欀愀欀攀爀✀㼀ഊ ਀吀栀愀琀 猀攀愀爀挀栀 昀漀甀渀搀 洀攀 ∀ 吀栀攀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀  䈀礀 吀愀爀氀愀Ⰰ∀ 眀栀椀挀栀 搀漀攀猀ഊnot seem to be a very reliable source of information. For example, it says: ਀ഊ"The term may be imprecise because in Medieval England gingerbread meant ਀猀椀洀瀀氀礀 ∀瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 最椀渀最攀爀∀ 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 愀 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 伀氀搀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 最椀渀最攀戀爀愀猀Ⰰഊderived from the Latin name of the spice, Zingebar. It was only in the ਀昀椀昀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀攀爀洀 挀愀洀攀 琀漀 戀攀 愀瀀瀀氀椀攀搀 琀漀 愀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 挀愀欀攀 洀愀搀攀ഊwith treacle and flavored with ginger." ਀ഊThis is wrong several times over. Gingerbrede, in the form of a mixture of ਀戀爀攀愀搀挀爀甀洀戀猀Ⰰ 栀漀渀攀礀Ⰰ 最椀渀最攀爀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㐀琀栀 挀⸀ഊcookbooks. Neither that nor the 15th c. version is a "cake"--the texture is ਀洀漀爀攀 氀椀欀攀 昀甀搀最攀⸀ 吀栀攀 猀眀攀攀琀攀渀椀渀最 眀愀猀 栀漀渀攀礀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 琀爀攀愀挀氀攀⸀ 吀爀攀愀挀氀攀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 最攀琀ഊused in England for culinary (as opposed to medicinal) purposes until ਀猀甀戀猀琀愀渀琀椀愀氀氀礀 氀愀琀攀爀 ⠀猀攀攀 䌀⸀ 䄀渀渀攀 圀椀氀猀漀渀✀猀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀 椀渀 栀攀爀 戀漀漀欀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䘀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀ഊProfessor of Law ਀匀愀渀琀愀 䌀氀愀爀愀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:54:00 EST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 匀攀琀漀渀㄀㌀㔀㔀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: SC - my medieval dinner party - long ਀ഊLast night I had some mundane friends over and served them a medieval feast. ਀吀栀攀礀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 攀渀樀漀礀攀搀 椀琀 愀渀搀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀最爀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀⸀ഊThe evening went off well so I thought I'd post the recipes I used. ਀倀栀椀氀氀椀瀀愀ഊ ਀㰀猀渀椀瀀 漀昀 ⨀⨀⨀圀椀渀琀攀爀 匀焀甀愀猀栀 漀爀 倀甀洀瀀欀椀渀 匀漀甀瀀⨀⨀⨀ 爀攀挀椀瀀攀㸀ഊ ਀㰀猀渀椀瀀 漀昀 ⨀⨀⨀䌀栀椀挀欀攀渀 䄀洀戀爀漀最椀渀漀 圀椀琀栀 䐀爀椀攀搀 䘀爀甀椀琀⨀⨀⨀ 爀攀挀椀瀀攀㸀ഊ ਀㰀猀渀椀瀀 漀昀 ⨀⨀⨀䜀爀攀攀渀 倀漀爀攀攀 昀漀爀 䐀愀礀猀 漀昀 䄀戀猀琀愀椀渀攀渀挀攀⨀⨀⨀ 爀攀挀椀瀀攀㸀ഊ ਀⨀⨀⨀䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀⨀⨀⨀ഊ1c honey ਀㄀挀 戀爀攀愀搀挀爀甀洀戀猀ഊ1t ginger ਀㄀⼀㐀琀 瀀攀瀀瀀攀爀 ⠀䤀 甀猀攀搀 琀栀攀 瀀椀渀挀栀 洀攀琀栀漀搀⤀ഊ1/4t saunders (sandlewood) I omitted this because I was in a hurry and didn't ਀栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀ഊ1T sugar ਀㌀　ⴀ㐀　 眀栀漀氀攀 挀氀漀瘀攀猀 漀爀 㔀琀 猀甀最愀爀 愀渀搀 愀 瀀椀渀挀栀 漀昀 瀀漀眀搀攀爀攀搀 挀氀漀瘀攀猀ഊ ਀䈀爀椀渀最 栀漀渀攀礀 琀漀 愀 戀漀椀氀Ⰰ 猀椀洀洀攀爀 琀眀漀 漀爀 琀栀爀攀攀 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀Ⰰഊstir in breadcrumbs with a spatula until uniformly mixed. ਀刀攀洀漀瘀攀 昀爀漀洀 栀攀愀琀Ⰰ 猀琀椀爀 椀渀 最椀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 瀀攀瀀瀀攀爀 愀渀搀 猀愀甀渀搀攀爀猀⸀ഊWhen it is cool enough to handle, knead it to get spices thoroughly mixed. ਀倀甀琀 椀琀 椀渀 愀 戀漀砀 ⠀猀焀甀愀爀攀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 愀 氀椀搀⤀ഊsquish it flat and thin (it REALLY says squish), ਀猀瀀爀椀渀欀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 猀甀最愀爀 愀渀搀 瀀甀琀 挀氀漀瘀攀猀 漀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀愀氀氀礀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 攀搀最攀⸀ഊ Leave it to let clove flavor sink in; ਀搀漀 渀漀琀 攀愀琀 琀栀攀 挀氀漀瘀攀猀⸀ഊ**An alternative way of doing it (this is the way I did it) is to roll into ਀猀洀愀氀氀 戀愀氀氀猀Ⰰ 爀漀氀氀 椀渀 猀甀最愀爀 洀椀砀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 愀 瀀椀渀挀栀 漀昀 挀氀漀瘀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀嬀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀✀猀 琀爀愀渀猀挀爀椀瀀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 椀猀 愀猀 昀漀氀氀漀眀猀㨀ഊ ਀吀漀 洀愀欀攀 最椀渀攀爀戀爀攀搀攀⸀  吀愀渀欀攀 最漀漀搀攀 栀漀渀攀礀 ☀ 挀氀愀爀椀昀椀攀 椀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀攀爀攀 ☀ 琀愀欀攀ഊfayre paynemayn or wastel brede & grate it & caste it into the boylenge hony ਀☀ 猀琀攀爀攀 椀琀 眀攀攀氀 琀漀最礀搀攀爀 昀愀猀琀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀欀氀礀猀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 戀爀攀渀 渀漀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀氀⸀ഊ& panne take it doun and put therein ginger, longe pepper & saundres, & ਀琀攀洀瀀攀爀攀 椀琀 甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀椀渀 栀愀渀搀猀 ☀ 琀栀愀渀 瀀甀琀 栀攀洀 琀漀 愀 昀氀愀琀琀 戀漀礀猀琀攀 ☀ 猀琀爀愀眀攀ഊthereon suger & pick therein clowes rounde aboute by the egge and in the ਀洀礀搀攀猀Ⰰ 礀昀 椀琀 瀀氀攀挀攀 礀漀甀Ⰰ ☀ 挀⸀崀ഊ ਀圀栀攀渀 䤀 洀愀搀攀 椀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 爀甀渀渀礀Ⰰ 猀漀 眀攀 愀搀搀攀搀 猀漀洀攀 攀砀琀爀愀ഊbreadcrumbs. ਀ഊI have made this recipe several times, always with good success. For some ਀爀攀愀猀漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 ∀栀漀氀搀 甀瀀∀ 猀漀 䤀 攀渀搀攀搀 甀瀀 愀搀搀椀渀最 愀 琀漀琀愀氀 漀昀ഊanother whole cup of bread crumbs to the mixture. ਀ഊAnyway, this was my menu...oh yes, I also made fried potatoes, no recipe. ਀䔀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 氀椀欀攀搀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀椀渀最 洀礀 瀀椀挀欀礀 猀漀渀℀ഊIS, ਀倀栀椀氀氀椀瀀愀ഊ ਀ഊate: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:21:00 -0800 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 嘀愀氀漀椀猀攀 㰀瘀愀爀洀猀琀爀漀 愀琀 稀椀瀀挀漀渀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - structural gingerbread ਀ഊMargali asked: ਀㸀 䄀渀礀戀漀搀礀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 最漀漀搀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 昀氀愀琀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀ഊ> that you make houses and sotleties out of? I want to do a gingerbread ਀㸀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 漀爀 琀爀攀愀猀甀爀攀 挀栀攀猀琀 昀漀爀 漀甀爀 挀栀爀椀猀琀洀愀猀 瀀愀爀琀礀 愀琀 眀漀爀欀 琀栀椀猀 礀攀愀爀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䤀✀洀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 瀀氀攀渀琀礀 漀昀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 愀渀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 洀漀搀攀爀渀ഊgingerbread houses out there. Does anyone know of any period ਀爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀洀㼀 䤀✀瘀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 搀漀 栀愀瘀攀ഊa picture from _Kunstgeschichte des Backwerks_. It's a woodcut of a ਀䰀攀戀欀甀挀栀攀渀栀愀甀猀Ⰰ 氀愀琀攀 ㄀㔀琀栀 䌀⸀⸀ 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 琀攀氀氀 椀昀 椀琀✀猀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀搀 琀漀ഊsomething that was actually made to be eaten or an allegorical ਀瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀⸀ 䰀漀漀欀猀 氀椀欀攀 爀漀甀渀搀 愀渀搀 漀瘀愀氀 䰀攀戀欀甀挀栀攀渀 愀琀琀愀挀栀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀甀爀昀愀挀攀ഊof a house. Can't tell what the structure of the house is made of. ਀ഊValoise ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 㠀 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㄀㨀㈀㄀㨀　㐀 ⴀ　㔀　　 ⠀䔀匀吀⤀ഊFrom: Michael Macchione ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 猀琀爀甀挀琀甀爀愀氀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀ഊ ਀伀渀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 㠀 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 挀挀氀愀爀欀 愀琀 瘀椀挀漀渀⸀渀攀琀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Just stick to the honey version and you'll be much closer to period than ਀㸀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀甀爀渀攀搀 甀瀀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀 琀栀爀攀愀搀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀✀氀氀 琀爀礀ഊ> this one sometime soon, though I'm going to add a little more ginger and ਀㸀 爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀氀漀瘀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 最爀愀椀渀猀 漀昀 瀀愀爀愀搀椀猀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 洀愀搀攀 琀栀攀 ∀瀀攀爀椀漀搀∀ 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 漀渀 洀甀氀琀椀瀀氀攀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀猀⸀ഊ(warmed honey and spices poured over and mixed with bread crumbs) I have ਀昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 戀爀攀愀搀 礀漀甀 甀猀攀 愀渀搀 栀漀眀 搀爀礀 椀琀 椀猀 最爀攀愀琀氀礀 挀栀愀渀最攀猀ഊthe end product. I once made it with loaves of French bread that were ਀搀爀礀⸀⸀⸀⸀ 䤀 洀攀愀渀 匀愀栀愀爀愀 䐀攀猀攀爀琀 䐀爀礀⸀⸀⸀  甀猀攀搀 琀眀漀ⴀ琀栀爀攀攀 琀椀洀攀猀 琀栀攀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀ഊhoney mixture that was called for... and still had it come out sandy. ਀⠀戀礀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 琀栀椀猀 猀愀渀搀礀 猀琀甀昀昀 洀椀砀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 洀愀搀攀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 挀爀甀洀戀 挀爀甀猀琀ഊfor a ginger/spice flavored cheescake.) ਀ഊBy using loaves of normal sliced white bread, that were basically dried ਀昀漀爀 愀 眀栀椀氀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 漀瘀攀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 攀渀搀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀 椀猀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 愀 昀甀搀最攀 挀漀渀猀椀猀琀攀渀挀礀ഊwhich can be used to make structures out of..... I know this because I ਀栀愀瘀攀⸀   䄀琀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀 愀 昀攀眀 礀攀愀爀猀 戀愀挀欀Ⰰ 䤀 洀愀搀攀 愀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 猀琀甀昀昀Ⰰഊwrapping it around coffee cans for the towers (and putting different ਀搀攀猀猀攀爀琀猀 椀渀 攀愀挀栀 琀漀眀攀爀⤀  䤀琀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 漀甀琀 眀攀氀氀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀漀洀攀 瀀椀挀猀 漀昀 椀琀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀㈀⸀眀椀搀攀渀攀爀⸀攀搀甀⼀縀洀砀洀　　㌀㐀⼀挀愀猀琀氀攀㄀⸀樀瀀最ഊhttp://www2.widener.edu/~mxm0034/castle2.jpg ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀㈀⸀眀椀搀攀渀攀爀⸀攀搀甀⼀縀洀砀洀　　㌀㐀⼀挀愀猀琀氀攀㌀⸀樀瀀最ഊ ਀䬀愀攀氀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 11:29:31 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀渀最椀攀 䴀愀氀漀渀攀 㰀愀氀洀㐀 愀琀 挀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: SC - gingerbread ਀ഊ>By using loaves of normal sliced white bread, that were basically dried ਀㸀昀漀爀 愀 眀栀椀氀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 漀瘀攀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 攀渀搀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀 椀猀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 愀 昀甀搀最攀 挀漀渀猀椀猀琀攀渀挀礀ഊ>which can be used to make structures out of..... I know this because I ਀㸀栀愀瘀攀⸀   䄀琀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀 愀 昀攀眀 礀攀愀爀猀 戀愀挀欀Ⰰ 䤀 洀愀搀攀 愀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 猀琀甀昀昀Ⰰഊ>wrapping it around coffee cans for the towers (and putting different ਀㸀搀攀猀猀攀爀琀猀 椀渀 攀愀挀栀 琀漀眀攀爀⤀  䤀琀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 漀甀琀 眀攀氀氀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 樀甀猀琀 搀椀搀 漀甀爀 昀愀氀氀 攀瘀攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 洀愀搀攀 琀栀椀猀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 愀氀猀漀⸀  䤀 眀愀椀琀攀搀 琀椀氀ഊthe last minute to dry the bread, we ended up laying all the slices of ਀戀爀攀愀搀 漀甀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 搀爀椀攀搀 漀瘀攀爀渀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 氀椀欀攀 洀愀礀戀攀 ㄀㈀ 栀漀甀爀猀 愀渀搀ഊit made a wonderful gingerbread, although I would make sure I did the ਀戀爀攀愀搀 挀爀甀洀戀猀 椀渀 愀 昀漀漀搀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀漀爀 漀爀 戀氀攀渀搀攀爀 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀渀✀琀 愀渀礀 氀甀洀瀀猀ഊin the bread crumbs, they really need to be finely ground. ਀ഊ Angeline ਀䰀愀搀礀 䄀渀最攀氀椀渀攀 搀椀 䄀焀甀椀氀愀ഊSeneschal--Dominion of Myrkfaelinn, Kingdom of Aethelmearc ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀　 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　　 　㄀㨀　㌀㨀㌀㔀 ⴀ　㠀　　ഊFrom: "James F. Johnson" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 伀漀最礀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀ഊ ਀䰀甀爀欀椀渀最 䜀椀爀氀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Tonight, I upped the voltage to 2 cups breadcrumbs. STILL too oogy! I ਀㸀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 爀漀氀氀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀琀漀 戀愀氀氀猀 昀漀爀 愀 搀攀猀猀攀爀琀 戀漀愀爀搀 琀栀椀猀 眀攀攀欀攀渀搀⸀ഊ> I have ceased to believe that the amount of breadcrumbs is the problem. ਀㸀 圀栀愀琀 猀琀攀瀀 愀洀 䤀 洀椀猀猀椀渀最㼀  ⠀䄀 戀爀椀攀昀 愀琀琀攀洀瀀琀 愀琀 欀渀攀愀搀椀渀最 氀攀搀 琀漀 最氀漀瀀猀 漀昀ഊ> honey crud all over me, the counter, and an investigating feline.) ਀ഊBeing the bad and ill disciplined cook that I am, I didn't bother so ਀洀甀挀栀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀愀猀甀爀椀渀最⸀ 䤀 栀攀愀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 栀漀渀攀礀 愀渀搀 愀搀搀攀搀 戀爀攀愀搀挀爀甀洀戀猀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀礀ഊabsorbed all the honey and I couldn't stir without risk of breaking the ਀猀瀀漀漀渀 漀爀 洀礀 眀爀椀猀琀⸀ 䜀甀琀 昀攀攀氀 眀愀猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 愀 ㈀㨀㄀ 爀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 挀爀甀洀戀猀 琀漀 栀漀渀攀礀Ⰰഊmaybe more crumb. I did grind the crumbs finely, and not until the bread ਀栀愀搀 搀爀椀攀搀 琀栀漀爀漀甀最栀氀礀 ⠀䤀 栀攀氀瀀攀搀 椀琀 愀氀漀渀最 戀礀 挀甀琀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 戀爀攀愀搀 琀栀椀渀 愀渀搀ഊplacing it in the oven on the lowest setting with the door ajar - dried ਀戀甀琀 渀漀琀 琀漀愀猀琀攀搀⸀⤀ 吀栀攀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 挀愀洀攀 漀甀琀 氀椀欀攀 昀椀爀洀 洀愀爀稀椀瀀愀渀 愀渀搀 琀漀漀欀ഊsome effort to cut. Pliable, but not gooey. Some of the leftover bread I ਀最攀渀琀氀礀 戀愀欀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 漀瘀攀渀 愀渀搀 椀琀 椀猀 洀漀爀攀 昀椀爀洀 愀渀搀 戀爀攀愀搀礀⸀ 䜀椀瘀攀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀最愀爀ഊcontent, this stuff should keep fairly well for a short time, and ਀愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 搀攀栀礀搀爀愀琀攀 愀 戀椀琀 眀栀椀氀攀 椀琀 猀椀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀匀攀甀洀愀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:00:37 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䬀愀爀攀渀 伀∀ 㰀欀愀爀攀渀漀 愀琀 氀攀眀椀猀琀漀眀渀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Oogy gingerbread problem ਀ഊ>James F. Johnson wrote: ਀㸀㸀 䈀攀椀渀最 琀栀攀 戀愀搀 愀渀搀 椀氀氀 搀椀猀挀椀瀀氀椀渀攀搀 挀漀漀欀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 愀洀Ⰰ 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 戀漀琀栀攀爀 猀漀 洀甀挀栀ഊ>> with measuring. I heated the honey and added breadcrumbs until they ਀㸀㸀 愀戀猀漀爀戀攀搀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 栀漀渀攀礀 愀渀搀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 猀琀椀爀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 爀椀猀欀 漀昀 戀爀攀愀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊ>> spoon or my wrist. ਀ഊand Vika responded: ਀㸀伀栀栀栀栀栀⸀  刀愀椀渀ⴀ䈀伀圀⸀  䤀 最甀攀猀猀 䤀 搀漀 渀攀攀搀 洀漀爀攀 戀爀攀愀搀挀爀甀洀戀猀 琀栀攀渀⸀  吀栀攀 猀琀甀昀昀ഊ>I've always ended up with still had honey nature--definitely not all ਀㸀愀戀猀漀爀戀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀    愀渀搀 䌀愀漀椀渀琀椀愀爀渀 挀栀椀洀攀猀 椀渀㨀ഊ ਀    䐀刀夀 戀爀攀愀搀挀爀甀洀戀猀 椀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 愀渀猀眀攀爀Ⰰ  愀渀搀 眀栀椀氀攀 愀 ㄀㨀㄀ 爀愀琀椀漀 栀愀猀ഊworked for me, I also had extra standing by, (just in case I needed more) ਀琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 椀猀 琀漀 猀琀椀爀   ⨀爀愀瀀椀搀氀礀⨀ 琀栀攀 挀爀甀洀戀猀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 栀漀渀攀礀  ⴀⴀ 氀椀欀攀ഊcream of wheat --until the mixture is too hard to stir/ is sticking to the ਀猀椀搀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀漀琀⸀  愀渀搀 猀椀渀挀攀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 爀漀氀氀 椀琀 椀渀琀漀 戀愀氀氀猀Ⰰ 礀漀甀✀爀攀ഊobviously letting it cool enough to handle. If it's still too sticky, try ਀欀渀攀愀搀椀渀最 瘀攀爀礀 昀椀渀攀 戀爀攀愀搀挀爀甀洀戀猀 ⠀戀爀攀愀搀 搀甀猀琀㼀⤀ 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀⼀ 挀漀愀琀椀渀最 礀漀甀爀ഊhands with it. ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀ 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　　 ㈀㌀㨀㈀㈀㨀　㠀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Robin Carroll-Mann" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 伀伀倀㨀 猀漀甀爀搀漀甀最栀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 ⠀ 眀愀猀 刀攀㨀瀀爀椀瘀愀琀攀ⴀ刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䠀愀瀀瀀礀 䜀爀漀甀渀搀栀漀最 䐀愀礀℀⤀ഊ ਀㸀 匀漀甀爀搀漀甀最栀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀㼀 吀栀椀猀 猀漀甀渀搀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀㨀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀䤀琀 眀愀猀 琀愀猀琀礀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 搀攀琀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 猀漀甀爀搀漀甀最栀 ഊunder all the spice and sweetness. The recipe was out of "World ਀匀漀甀爀搀漀甀最栀猀 昀爀漀洀 䄀渀琀椀焀甀椀琀礀∀ 戀礀 䔀搀 圀漀漀搀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 椀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀攀愀搀椀渀最 ഊauthorities on sourdough baking. [I got my copy from Poison Pen ਀倀爀攀猀猀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀崀  吀栀攀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 甀猀攀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀 猀漀甀爀搀漀甀最栀 猀琀愀爀琀攀爀 愀猀 ഊan ingredient, but gets most of its leavening from baking soda. ਀ഊAnd to forstall the inevitable request, here is the recipe: ਀ഊ2 cups proofed sourdough starter (ie., fed, and left out for about 6-8 ਀栀漀甀爀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 甀渀琀椀氀 戀甀戀戀氀礀ഊ2 TBS melted butter ਀㄀ 挀甀瀀 洀漀氀愀猀猀攀猀ഊ1 tsp ground cinnamon ਀㄀ 琀猀瀀 最爀漀甀渀搀 最椀渀最攀爀ഊ1 egg, beaten ਀㈀ 吀䈀匀 猀甀最愀爀ഊ1 tsp salt ਀㄀⼀㈀ 琀猀瀀 戀愀欀椀渀最 猀漀搀愀ഊ1 cup white bread flour ਀ഊPreheat oven to 350 F. Butter and flour a 10-inch square pan (not ਀漀眀渀椀渀最 猀甀挀栀 愀 琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 䤀 甀猀攀搀 愀 㤀ⴀ椀渀挀栀 爀漀甀渀搀⤀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀愀挀攀 洀攀愀猀甀爀攀搀 猀琀愀爀琀攀爀 椀渀 氀愀爀最攀 洀椀砀椀渀最 戀漀眀氀⸀  䄀搀搀 戀甀琀琀攀爀Ⰰ 洀漀氀愀猀猀攀猀Ⰰ ഊspices, egg, sugar and salt. Mix well. Add baking soda to the mixture ਀愀渀搀 猀琀椀爀⸀  䄀搀搀 昀氀漀甀爀 愀渀搀 洀椀砀 甀渀琀椀氀 猀洀漀漀琀栀⸀  ഊ ਀倀漀甀爀 椀渀琀漀 戀愀欀椀渀最 瀀愀渀 愀渀搀 戀愀欀攀 㔀㔀ⴀ㘀　 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀Ⰰ 甀渀琀椀氀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 瀀甀氀氀猀 ഊaway from sides and a toothpick inserted into the middle comes out ਀挀氀攀愀渀⸀ഊ ਀䌀漀漀欀 椀渀 瀀愀渀 昀漀爀 ㄀　 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀甀爀渀 漀渀琀漀 愀 爀愀挀欀 琀漀 昀椀渀椀猀栀 挀漀漀氀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䴀椀猀挀⸀ 渀漀琀攀猀㨀 䤀 甀猀攀搀 愀氀氀ⴀ瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀 昀氀漀甀爀⸀  䤀 漀渀氀礀 栀愀搀 ㄀⼀㈀ 挀甀瀀 洀漀氀愀猀猀攀猀 椀渀 ഊthe house. Since it was nearly midnight, and I didn't want to drive to the ਀猀甀瀀攀爀洀愀爀欀攀琀Ⰰ 䤀 猀甀戀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀搀 ㄀⼀㈀ 挀甀瀀 栀漀渀攀礀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀洀椀琀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 ഊsugar. The end product tasted like a hybrid between traditional modern ਀最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 愀渀搀 愀 䨀攀眀椀猀栀 栀漀渀攀礀 挀愀欀攀⸀  䤀 琀栀椀渀欀Ⰰ 椀渀 洀礀 琀椀爀攀搀渀攀猀猀Ⰰ 䤀 ഊinadvertantly increased the baking soda to 1 tsp., which may explain ਀琀栀攀 琀攀砀琀甀爀攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 愀 琀爀椀昀氀攀 挀栀攀眀椀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 䤀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀攀搀⸀  一攀砀琀 琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 䤀✀氀氀 琀爀礀 ഊthe recipe as written, just to see how it's different. ਀ഊOh, and the best source of sourdough info on the web (recipies, FAQs, ਀愀渀搀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀 猀琀愀爀琀攀爀⤀ 椀猀 愀琀㨀ഊhttp://www.nyx.net/~dgreenw/sourdoughfaqs.html ਀ഊLady Brighid ni Chiarain ਀匀攀琀琀洀漀甀爀 匀眀愀洀瀀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀 ⠀一䨀⤀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 08:36:34 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀愀爀最愀氀椀 㰀洀愀爀最愀氀椀 愀琀 㤀㤀洀愀椀渀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - molds for gingerbread ਀ഊ http://www.houseonthehill.net/ ਀洀愀爀最愀氀椀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:25:25 +0200From: "Cindy M. Renfrow" Subject: Re: SC - Begging A Favor>I have served gingerbread at demos, and most kids like it. I did cut back a>little on the pepper and ginger as it otherwise seems to be little highly>seasoned for some people. My recipe follows:>>19. To make gingerbrede. Take goode honey & clarefie it on the fere, & take>fayre paynemayn or wastel brede & grate it, & caste it into the boylenge honey,>& stere it well togyder faste with a sklyse that it bren not to the vessell. &>thanne take it doun and put therein ginger, longe pepere & saundres, & tempere>it up with thin haldes; & than put hem to a flatt gboyste & straw thereon sugar,>& pick therein clowes rounde aboute by the egge and in the mydes, yf it plece>you, &c.>>19. To make gingerbrede. Take good honey and clarify it on the fire, and take>good white bread or good bread and grate it, and put it into the boiling honey>and stir it together fast with a spatula so that it will not burn not to the>vessel. And then take it down and add ginger, long pepper and sanders, and mix>it with thin handles ; and then put it in a flat box and sprinkle it with>sugar. And pick cloves round about by the egg and in the middle, if it please>you. (Sloan, 468 from Curye on Inglysch)Hello! Yes, gingerbread is an excellent dish for kids. (Two suggestedcorrections to the above translation, if I may -- "with thin haldes", withthine hands; and "by the egge", by the edge.)Here is another gyngerbrede recipe from Harleian MS. 279 - Leche Vyaundez:iiij. Gyngerbrede. Take a quart of hony, & sethe it, skeme it clene; takeSafroun, pouder Pepir, & [th]row [th]er-on; take gratyd Brede, make it sochargeaunt [th]at it wol be y-lechyd; [th]en take pouder Canelle, & straw[th]er-on y-now; [th]en make yt square, lyke as [th]ou wolt leche yt; takewhen [th]ou lechyst hyt, an caste Box leves a-bouyn, y-stykyd [th]er-on, onclowys. And [3]if [th]ou wolt haue it Red, coloure it with Saunderysy-now.4. Gingerbread. Take a quart of honey, & seethe it, skim it clean; takeSaffron, powdered Pepper, & throw thereon; take grated Bread, make it sostiff that it will be cut; then take powdered Cinnamon, & strew thereonenough; then make it square, like as thou would cut it; take when thou cutit, and caste Box leaves above, stuck thereon, and cloves. And if thouwill have it Red, color it with Sandalwood enough.Here's another good crowd-pleaser that can be made ahead of time. The honeysauce can be served with crackers:"Pokerounce is reminiscent of warm mead on toast, and is quite delicious insmall quantities. The honey mixture may be made in advance and preservedeither by canning or refrigeration.Harleian MS. 279 - Leche Vyaundez Cindy Renfrow/SincgiefuAuthor and Publisher of "Take a Thousand Eggs or More" and "A Sip Through Time"http://www.thousandeggs.comcindy at thousandeggs.com ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㌀㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㈀㨀　㈀㨀㈀㔀 ⬀㄀㈀　　ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 刀漀戀攀爀琀 䜀愀爀渀攀琀琀 㰀挀愀爀渀攀氀椀愀渀 愀琀 椀渀攀琀⸀渀攀琀⸀渀稀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Gyngerbrede (finally!). ਀ഊ>A note on coloring: Period recipes stress ਀㸀琀栀愀琀 最礀渀最攀爀戀爀攀搀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 爀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀ഊ>addition of red sandalwood. ਀ഊI have used red sandal wood to color several of my gyngerbred products. I ਀昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 最椀瘀攀猀 琀栀攀 最礀渀最攀爀戀爀攀搀 愀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 戀攀愀甀琀椀昀甀氀 猀漀昀琀 爀攀搀 挀漀氀漀爀⸀ 䤀ഊwould recommend everyone have a go at using red sandal wood as it is really ਀昀甀渀 琀漀 猀攀攀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀甀氀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀䐀甀渀挀愀渀 䬀攀爀爀⸀ഊHerald and master of the hounds. ਀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 匀漀甀琀栀爀漀渀 䜀愀愀爀搀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Druighad at aol.com ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㌀㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㐀㨀　㌀㨀㄀㈀ 䔀䐀吀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Gyngerbrede. ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀爀甀琀栀昀 愀琀 甀椀搀愀栀漀⸀攀搀甀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ<< Random side note: the Elizabethen recipe I have describes ਀ 欀渀攀愀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 搀漀甀最栀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 瀀爀攀猀猀椀渀最 椀琀 椀渀琀漀 愀 洀漀氀搀 琀漀 猀栀愀瀀攀 椀琀⸀ഊ Unless Elizabethen cooks had cast-iron hands, I'm guessing their ਀ 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 攀渀搀攀搀 甀瀀 戀攀椀渀最 洀甀挀栀 洀漀爀攀 洀愀氀氀攀愀戀氀攀 眀栀攀渀 椀琀 挀漀漀氀攀搀Ⰰ 猀漀爀琀 漀昀ഊ a play-doh type texture. It would be possible, with fine enough ਀ 挀爀甀洀戀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 瀀爀漀瀀漀爀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀⸀ 㸀㸀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 眀漀爀欀攀搀 愀猀 戀漀琀栀 愀 戀愀欀攀爀 愀渀搀 瀀愀猀琀爀礀 挀栀攀昀Ⰰ 氀攀琀 洀攀 琀攀氀氀 礀✀愀氀氀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀ഊhave no nerves left in our hands. It's very possible that the Elizabethens ਀愀氀猀漀 欀渀攀愀搀攀搀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 栀漀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 甀猀攀搀 椀挀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 戀愀琀栀猀 ⠀琀漀ഊdunk hands in) to keep their hands very cold, and not burn. It's a technique ਀琀栀愀琀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 搀漀攀猀 瀀甀氀氀攀搀 漀爀 戀氀漀眀渀 猀甀最愀爀 甀猀攀猀 爀攀氀椀最椀漀甀猀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀䘀椀渀渀攀戀栀椀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 渀攀爀瘀攀氀攀猀猀⸀ 琀漀漀 洀愀渀礀 戀甀爀渀猀 愀渀搀 挀愀氀氀漀甀猀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:22:39 -0600 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䔀氀椀猀攀 䘀氀攀洀椀渀最∀ 㰀愀氀礀猀欀 愀琀 椀砀⸀渀攀琀挀漀洀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] More White Gingerbread ਀吀漀㨀 ∀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀⸀  䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 戀攀栀椀渀搀 椀渀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 搀椀最攀猀琀猀⸀  夀漀甀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 礀漀甀ഊwere looking for, but there are earlier versions of white gingerbread that ਀愀爀攀 洀甀挀栀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀䨀漀栀渀 䴀甀爀爀攀氀氀Ⰰ ㄀㘀㄀㜀Ⰰ 开䄀 䐀愀椀氀礀 䔀砀攀爀挀椀猀攀 昀漀爀 䰀愀搀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 䜀攀渀琀氀攀眀漀洀攀渀开Ⰰ 栀愀猀 琀栀椀猀ഊversion. "Take halfe a pound of March-pane-Past made with Almonds, ਀刀漀猀攀ⴀ眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 匀甀最愀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 猀瀀漀漀渀攀昀甀氀氀 漀昀 䄀焀甀愀 瘀椀琀愀Ⰰ 猀攀愀猀漀渀 椀琀 瘀攀爀礀 栀漀琀ഊwith Ginger, mould it up stiffe, rowle it thin, and print it with your ਀洀漀甀氀搀猀⸀∀ഊ ਀䤀渀 ㄀㘀㈀㄀ 䴀甀爀爀攀氀氀 最愀瘀攀 琀栀椀猀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 椀渀 开䄀 䐀攀氀椀最栀琀昀甀氀 䐀愀椀氀礀 䔀砀攀爀挀椀猀攀 昀漀爀ഊLadies and Gentlewomen_. "Take halfe a pound of marchpaine past, a quarter ਀漀昀 愀 瀀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 眀栀椀琀攀 䜀椀渀最攀爀 戀攀愀琀攀渀 愀渀搀 挀攀爀猀琀Ⰰ 栀愀氀昀攀 愀 瀀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀漀眀搀攀爀 漀昀ഊrefined sugar, beate this to a very fine paste with dragagant steept in ਀爀漀猀攀ⴀ眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 爀漀甀氀攀 椀琀 椀渀 爀漀甀渀搀 挀愀欀攀猀 愀渀搀 瀀爀椀渀琀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 洀漀甀氀搀猀㨀 搀爀礀ഊthem in an oven when the bread is drawn foorth, upon white papers, & ਀眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 戀攀 瘀攀爀礀 搀爀礀Ⰰ 戀漀砀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 欀攀攀瀀攀 琀栀攀洀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 礀攀愀爀攀⸀∀ഊ ਀倀攀琀攀爀 䈀爀攀愀爀猀 最椀瘀攀猀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 ㄀㔀㠀㜀 愀氀漀渀最 眀椀琀栀 愀 洀漀搀攀爀渀ഊadaptation. It's in _Banquetting Stuffe_, p. 101-103. The original from ਀䄀⸀圀⸀Ⰰ 开䄀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 䌀漀漀欀爀礀攀开Ⰰ 爀攀愀搀猀㨀 ∀吀愀欀攀 䜀甀洀洀愀 䐀爀愀最愀最愀渀琀椀猀 栀愀氀昀攀 愀渀 漀甀渀挀攀Ⰰഊand steep it in rosewater two daies, then put thereto a pound of Sugar ਀戀攀愀琀攀渀 ☀ 昀椀渀攀氀礀 猀攀爀挀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀攀愀琀攀 琀栀攀洀 眀攀氀氀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 洀愀礀 戀攀ഊwrought like paste, then role it thin into two Cakes, then take a fewe ਀䨀漀爀搀愀椀渀 愀氀洀漀渀搀猀 愀渀搀 戀氀愀甀渀挀栀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 挀漀氀搀攀 眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 搀爀礀 琀栀攀洀 眀椀琀栀 愀 昀愀椀爀攀ഊCloth, and stampe them in a morter very finelye, adding thereto a little ਀爀漀猀攀眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 戀攀愀琀 昀椀渀攀氀礀 愀氀猀漀 琀栀攀 眀栀椀琀攀猀琀 匀甀最愀爀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 最攀琀 愀渀搀 猀攀愀爀挀攀 椀琀⸀ഊThen take Ginger, pare it and beat it very small and serce it, then put in ਀猀甀最愀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀氀洀漀渀搀猀 ☀ 戀攀愀琀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀最椀琀栀攀爀 瘀攀爀礀 眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀愀欀攀 椀琀 漀甀琀 愀渀搀ഊwork it at your pleasure, then lay it even upon one of your cakes, and ਀挀漀瘀攀爀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 瀀甀琀 椀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀漀氀搀攀Ⰰ 猀琀爀攀眀攀 昀椀渀攀 ഊginger both above and beneath." ਀ഊAlys Katharine ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㄀㌀ 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　㠀 ㈀㌀㨀㈀㜀㨀　㈀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Kingstaste" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀ഊTo: "'Cooks within the SCA'" ਀ഊOn Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:54 PM, wrote: ਀㰀㰀㰀 䜀漀漀搀 䔀瘀攀渀椀渀最℀ 䤀 愀洀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀 漀昀 洀愀欀椀渀最 洀礀 瘀攀爀礀 昀椀爀猀琀 最椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀 愀渀搀ഊI find I need to ask, as the loaf of Old Bread lies spread out on the counter, ਀搀爀礀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀䨀甀猀琀 栀漀眀 昀椀渀攀氀礀 最爀漀甀渀搀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 琀栀攀 戀爀攀愀搀挀爀甀洀戀猀 戀攀㼀 圀栀愀琀 䤀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 搀漀 椀猀 瀀甀琀ഊthem though a fine mesh strainer. Obviously, the bread has to be really dry, ਀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 挀爀甀洀戀 椀猀 嘀䔀刀夀 昀椀渀攀Ⰰ 椀渀搀攀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀猀漀ⴀ栀愀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 攀瘀攀爀 瀀甀琀 昀爀攀猀栀氀礀 最爀愀琀攀搀 最椀渀最攀爀 椀渀 椀琀Ⰰ 漀爀 搀漀攀猀 椀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀ഊdried and finely ground, as well? (I have a thumb-sized lump of fresh ginger ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 昀爀椀搀最攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 渀甀琀洀攀最 最爀愀琀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 愀氀猀漀 甀猀攀 昀漀爀 氀攀洀漀渀 稀攀猀琀⤀ഊ ਀圀椀琀栀 戀爀攀愀搀挀爀甀洀戀猀 甀渀搀攀爀 洀礀 渀愀椀氀猀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䠀攀氀攀渀 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀圀漀眀Ⰰ 䤀 渀攀瘀攀爀 眀漀爀爀礀 愀戀漀甀琀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 椀琀 琀栀愀琀 昀椀渀攀⸀  䤀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 琀漀愀猀琀 琀栀攀 戀爀攀愀搀ഊand let it dry out a bit, then put it in a food processor and grind it up. ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 洀愀搀攀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 搀爀椀攀搀 最椀渀最攀爀 ⠀甀猀甀愀氀氀礀⤀ 愀渀搀 眀椀琀栀 昀爀攀猀栀 最椀渀最攀爀 爀漀漀琀ഊsteeped in the hot honey. The dried ginger is usually stronger. Either ਀眀漀爀欀猀 昀椀渀攀⸀  䠀攀爀攀✀猀 琀栀攀 琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 愀搀愀瀀琀愀戀氀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀ഊhoney and breadcrumbs and spices. It can be brown bread, white bread, mixed ਀氀漀愀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 猀攀洀椀ⴀ搀爀礀Ⰰ 爀攀愀氀氀礀 搀爀礀Ⰰ 眀椀氀搀昀氀漀眀攀爀 栀漀渀攀礀Ⰰ 挀氀漀瘀攀爀 栀漀渀攀礀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀 礀漀甀ഊhave on hand. It doesn't "have" to be anything one way or the other. The ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 栀漀渀攀礀 戀攀 挀氀愀爀椀昀椀攀搀Ⰰ 最攀琀 琀栀攀 眀愀砀 愀渀搀 戀攀攀ഊparts out of it. It calls for waste bread, so obviously it was going to ਀挀栀愀渀最攀 昀爀漀洀 琀椀洀攀 琀漀 琀椀洀攀 眀栀攀渀 戀攀椀渀最 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀瘀攀爀愀最攀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀⸀ഊI have even had it made with rye crumbs, and that was darned tasty. ਀ഊChristianna ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　㠀 　　㨀㈀㐀㨀㌀㄀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊOn Dec 13, 2008, at 11:27 PM, Kingstaste wrote: ਀㰀㰀㰀 瀀愀爀琀猀 漀甀琀 漀昀 椀琀⸀  䤀琀 挀愀氀氀猀 昀漀爀 眀愀猀琀攀 戀爀攀愀搀Ⰰ 猀漀 漀戀瘀椀漀甀猀氀礀 椀琀 眀愀猀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀ഊchange from time to time when being made in the average medieval household. ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 攀瘀攀渀 栀愀搀 椀琀 洀愀搀攀 眀椀琀栀 爀礀攀 挀爀甀洀戀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 搀愀爀渀攀搀 琀愀猀琀礀⸀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䤀猀渀✀琀 琀栀愀琀 ∀眀愀猀琀攀氀 戀爀攀愀搀∀㼀 䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 猀漀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 愀 昀椀渀攀Ⰰ 挀愀欀攀氀椀欀攀 眀栀椀琀攀 戀爀攀愀搀 攀愀琀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 眀攀愀氀琀栀礀⸀ 䤀✀洀  ഊwondering if perhaps "wastel" and "gateau" share a common French root... ਀ഊAdamantius, Bad Cop ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　㠀 ㈀㌀㨀㐀㌀㨀　㄀ ⴀ　㠀　　 ⠀䜀䴀吀ⴀ　㠀㨀　　⤀ഊFrom: lilinah at earthlink.net ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䜀椀渀最攀爀戀爀攀愀搀ഊTo: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org ਀ഊAdamantius wrote: ਀㰀㰀㰀 䤀猀渀✀琀 琀栀愀琀 ∀眀愀猀琀攀氀 戀爀攀愀搀∀㼀 䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 猀漀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 愀 昀椀渀攀Ⰰ 挀愀欀攀氀椀欀攀 眀栀椀琀攀 戀爀攀愀搀 攀愀琀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 眀攀愀氀琀栀礀⸀ 䤀✀洀  ഊwondering if perhaps "wastel" and "gateau" share a common French ਀爀漀漀琀⸀⸀⸀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䤀 氀愀挀欀 愀渀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 搀椀挀琀椀漀渀愀爀礀 琀栀愀琀 最椀瘀攀猀 攀琀礀洀漀氀漀最椀攀猀Ⰰ 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀 椀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 栀椀最栀氀礀 氀椀欀攀氀礀⸀ ഊ ਀䜀愀琀攀愀甀 栀愀猀 愀 挀椀爀挀甀洀昀氀攀砀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 ∀愀∀ 椀渀搀椀挀愀琀椀渀最 椀琀 眀愀猀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 昀漀氀氀漀眀攀搀 戀礀 愀渀 ∀猀∀⸀ 䄀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀 昀攀眀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 眀漀爀搀猀 琀栀愀琀 攀渀搀 椀渀 ∀攀愀甀∀ 攀渀搀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 ∀攀氀∀ 椀渀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀Ⰰ 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 ∀挀栀愀琀攀愀甀∀ 昀爀漀洀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 ∀挀栀愀猀琀攀氀∀⸀ 匀漀 渀漀眀 眀攀 挀愀渀 猀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 洀愀礀 眀攀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 ∀最愀猀琀攀氀∀⸀ 䄀渀搀 猀椀渀挀攀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 甀猀攀 愀 ∀眀∀Ⰰ 愀 ∀最∀ 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀猀 愀 ∀眀∀ 椀渀 眀漀爀搀猀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀洀攀 昀爀漀洀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 氀愀渀最甀愀最攀⸀ഊ ਀匀漀 眀栀椀氀攀 ∀眀愀猀琀攀氀∀ 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 ⠀漀爀 洀愀礀⤀ 栀愀瘀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀栀愀琀 ∀眀愀猀琀攀氀∀ 愀渀搀 ∀最愀琀攀愀甀∀ 愀爀攀 爀攀氀愀琀攀搀⸀ഊ-- ਀唀爀琀愀琀椀洀 ⠀琀栀愀琀✀猀 甀爀ⴀ琀愀栀ⴀ吀䔀䔀䴀⤀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:59:04 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀倀栀椀氀 吀爀漀礀 ⼀ 䜀⸀ 吀愀挀椀琀甀猀 䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀∀ 㰀愀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀㄀ 愀琀 瘀攀爀椀稀漀渀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Gingerbread ਀吀漀㨀 氀椀氀椀渀愀栀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀Ⰰ 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀ഊ ਀ഊOn Dec 15, 2008, at 2:43 AM, lilinah at earthlink.net wrote: ਀㰀㰀㰀 䜀愀琀攀愀甀 栀愀猀 愀 挀椀爀挀甀洀昀氀攀砀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 ∀愀∀ 椀渀搀椀挀愀琀椀渀最 椀琀 眀愀猀  ഊoriginally followed by an "s". Additionally quite a few modern ਀䘀爀攀渀挀栀 眀漀爀搀猀 琀栀愀琀 攀渀搀 椀渀 ∀攀愀甀∀ 攀渀搀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 ∀攀氀∀ 椀渀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀Ⰰ  ഊsuch as modern "chateau" from Medieval "chastel". So now we can say ਀琀栀愀琀 椀琀 洀愀礀 眀攀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 ∀最愀猀琀攀氀∀⸀ 䄀渀搀 猀椀渀挀攀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 甀猀攀 愀  ഊ"w", a "g" sometimes replaces a "w" in words that came from another ਀氀愀渀最甀愀最攀⸀ഊ ਀匀漀 眀栀椀氀攀 ∀眀愀猀琀攀氀∀ 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 ⠀漀爀 洀愀礀⤀ 栀愀瘀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀  ഊlikely that "wastel" and "gateau" are related. >>> ਀ഊThe dropping of the "s", as in etude/study, hotel/hostel, hopital/ ਀栀漀猀瀀椀琀愀氀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀Ⰰ 椀猀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 椀渀 眀漀爀搀 瀀愀椀爀猀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀椀渀最 椀渀 戀漀琀栀  ഊFrench and English, and the G-W transposition is pretty common, as ਀眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 愀猀 椀渀 䜀甀椀氀氀愀甀洀攀⼀圀椀氀氀椀愀洀Ⰰ 最愀甀昀爀攀琀琀攀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ഊ ਀䴀漀猀琀 搀椀挀琀椀漀渀愀爀椀攀猀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 琀漀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 最愀琀攀愀甀 搀攀爀椀瘀攀猀  ഊfrom the Frankish and, in turn, Germanic, wastil, which appears to ਀搀攀爀椀瘀攀 昀爀漀洀 瀀爀漀琀漀ⴀ䤀渀搀漀ⴀ䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀 琀攀爀洀猀 洀攀愀渀椀渀最 渀漀甀爀椀猀栀洀攀渀琀 漀爀 昀漀漀搀⸀ഊ ਀夀攀愀栀Ⰰ 漀欀愀礀 㬀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:15:54 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀漀栀渀渀愀 䠀漀氀氀漀眀愀礀 㰀樀漀栀渀渀愀攀 愀琀 洀愀挀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Gingerbread ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀伀䔀䐀 氀椀猀琀猀 眀愀猀琀攀氀 愀猀㨀ഊ*wastel* wo/enticons/ogon.gif.st'l. Obs. exc. Hist. Forms: wastell, ( ਀瘀愀猀琀攀氀氀⤀Ⰰ  眀愀猀琀攀氀氀攀Ⰰ ⠀眀愀猀琀氀攀Ⰰ 眀愀猀琀礀氀⠀氀攀Ⰰ 眀愀猀琀椀氀⤀Ⰰ 匀挀⸀ 眀愀猀琀攀氀氀Ⰰ ⴀ 眀愀猀琀攀氀㬀ഊ ਀愀氀猀漀Ⰰ 戀礀 挀漀渀昀甀猀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 ⼀眀愀猀猀愀椀氀⼀Ⰰ  眀愀猀猀攀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀嬀愀⸀ 伀䘀爀⸀ ⼀眀愀猀琀攀氀⼀Ⰰഊnorth-eastern var. of /guastel/, /gastel/ (mod.Fr. /g?teau/). In ਀䄀渀最氀漀ⴀ䰀⸀ 爀攀挀漀爀搀猀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀搀 漀昀琀攀渀 漀挀挀甀爀猀 氀愀琀椀渀椀稀攀搀 愀猀 ⼀最甀愀猀琀攀氀氀甀洀⼀Ⰰഊ/wastellum/: see examples under simnel and treat. ਀ഊDefined then as "Bread made of the finest flour; a cake or loaf of this ਀戀爀攀愀搀∀ 眀栀椀挀栀 最漀攀猀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ㄀㈀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ഊ ਀㈀⸀  䠀攀爀⸀ 㴀 琀漀爀琀攀愀甀ഊ ਀㄀⸀ 愀渀搀 琀漀爀琀攀愀甀 洀攀愀渀猀 嬀愀⸀ 䘀爀⸀ ⼀琀漀甀爀琀攀愀甀⼀ 怀愀 氀愀爀最攀 爀漀甀渀搀 挀愀欀攀 漀爀 昀氀愀琀ഊbannock of bread', a mass of oilcake, a wooden disk used as a crusher, ਀愀渀搀 椀渀 栀攀爀愀氀搀爀礀 愀猀 戀攀氀漀眀㬀 椀渀 伀䘀爀⸀ ⼀琀漀爀琀攀氀⼀ ⠀㄀㈀琀栀 挀⸀ 椀渀 䠀愀琀稀⸀ⴀ䐀愀爀洀⸀⤀Ⰰഊ ਀    ⨀ ⨀㄀㐀㠀㘀⨀ ⼀䈀欀⸀ 匀琀⸀ 䄀氀戀愀渀猀Ⰰ 䌀漀愀琀ⴀ愀爀洀⸀⼀ 戀 椀瘀 戀Ⰰ 吀漀爀琀氀攀琀琀椀猀 戀攀 挀愀氀搀攀 椀渀ഊ armys wastell. ਀    ⨀ ⨀㄀㔀㘀㈀⨀ 䰀攀椀最栀 ⼀䄀爀洀漀爀椀攀⼀ ㄀㔀㄀ 戀Ⰰ 䠀攀 戀攀愀爀攀琀栀 漀爀Ⰰ 砀 琀漀爀琀攀愀甀砀攀猀⸀⸀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀ഊ haue been called of olde blazoures, wastelles, and are cakes of ਀      戀爀攀愀搀攀⸀ഊ ਀⨀㈀⸀ ⨀ 䄀 昀氀愀琀 挀愀欀攀Ⰰ 愀 瀀愀渀挀愀欀攀⸀ 伀戀猀⸀ഊ ਀⠀䌀昀⸀ 焀甀漀琀⸀ ㄀㔀㘀㈀ 椀渀 ㄀⸀⤀ ⨀㄀㘀㈀㔀⨀ 倀甀爀挀栀愀猀 ⼀倀椀氀最爀椀洀猀⼀ 䤀䤀⸀ 椀砀⸀ 砀椀砀⸀ഊ/enticons/sect.gif3. 1652 Torteaux and Bignets, and many other sorts of ਀昀漀漀搀⸀⸀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 洀愀欀攀 瀀漀琀琀愀最攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 吀漀爀琀攀愀甀砀 愀渀搀 䜀愀氀氀攀琀甀猀⸀ഊ ਀䨀漀栀渀渀愀攀ഊ ਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. 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