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Period bread pudding and bread pudding like recipes. Many medieval puddings use bread crumbs for thickening. For this file, we are considering puddings which use pieces or cubes of bread, rather than crumbs, flour or other thickeners as "bread puddings".

 

NOTE: See also the files: puddings-msg, bread-msg, French-Toast-art, polenta-msg, porridges-msg.

 

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From: jtn at nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Feast Menus

Date: 17 Nov 1993 16:46:58 GMT

 

Greetings, all, from Angharad ver' Rhuawn.

 

Brother Crimthann asks,

>We're also

>talking about using the bread removed from the loaves to make bread pudding

>for dessert; I'm pretty sure that the pudding itself is period England

>(dates anyone?) but what about the ingredients: sugar, raisins, cinnamon,

>etc?

 

There are bread-based puddings, but they aren't much like

modern bread puddings.  On the other hand, bread is one

of the three great thickeners of the high middle ages in

Europe (the others being ground almonds and rice flour).  

Use it to thicken your stew, as Cariadoc suggested.

 

If you want pointers to period bread-based puddings, let

me know.

 

-- Angharad/Terry

 

 

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:59:14 EDT

From: CBlackwill at aol.com

Subject: SC - Documented(?) Bread Pudding

 

I found this recipe in Cariadoc's Miscellany (It's from Ein Buch von guter

Spise), and thought it would be appropriate for the "Bread Pudding' topic.  

From what I can gather, it is very similar to modern bread pudding, sans egg

(though the author does suggest using eggs if another milk besides almond

milk is used).

 

I'll be trying this recipe out on Tuesday, and I'll let you know how it comes

out.  For those of you who have tried it before, any production tips?

 

Balthazar of Blackmoor

 

24. Daz ist auch gut (This is also good)

Nim mandelkern. mache daz in siedeme wazzer. stoz sie und twinge sie durch

ein tuch oder mal sie. nim schoen herte brot. snit die obersten rinden abe

schone und dünne. snit dar nach schiben. so du dünnest mügest. daz beginne

under der öbersten rinden. ieglich schibe sol sin sinewel. vüege der schiben

viere zu sammene und snit sie smal als einen riemen. und snit sie dentwerhes

über. so du kleines maht. halt die mandelmilch über daz fiur. laz sie warm

werden wirf daz brot dar in daz sie dicke werde. halt sie über daz fiur. laz

sie sieden und gibez in die schüzzeln und strauwe ein zucker dar uf. daz

heizzet calcus und gibz hin. Also mache auch ander milich, ob du totern dorzu

tun wilt.

 

 

Take almond kernels. Make that in boiling water. (Blanch them) Pound them and

thrust them through a cloth or grind them. Take fine hearth bread. Cut the

upper crust down fine and thin. Cut thereafter slices, the thinnest that you

can that begin under the upper crust. Each slice should be round. Join the

slices four together and cut them small as a strap and cut them crosswise

over, so you make (them) small. Hold the almond milk over the fire. Let it

become warm. Throw the bread therein so that it becomes thick. Hold it over

the fire. Let it boil and give it in the bowls and strew a sugar thereon.

That is called calcus and give out. Also you may make other milk too, if you

want to add egg yolks thereto.

 

 

Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:42:16 -0500

From: Daniel Myers <edouard at medievalcookery.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] bread puddings

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

On Feb 26, 2005, at 1:36 AM, Stefan li Rous wrote:

> Does anyone have any particular period bread pudding

> recipes/redactions which they like?

 

Here are a few period recipes I found.  I like making a variation of

the first one - leaving out the marrow and substituting butter and milk

for the suet.

 

[A new booke of Cookerie, John Murrell (1615)]

To make an Italian Pudding. Take a Penny white Loafe, pare off the

crust, and cut it in square pieces like vnto great Dyes, mince a pound

of Beefe Suit small: take halfe a pound of Razins of the Sunne, stone

them and mingle them together, and season them with Sugar, Rosewater,

and Nutmegge, wet these things in foure Egges, and stirre them very

tenderly for breaking the Bread: then put it into a Dish, and pricke

three or foure pieces of Marrow, and some sliced Dates: put it into an

Ouen hot enough for a Chewet: if your Ouen be too hot, it will burne:

if too colde, it will be heauy: when it is bakte scrape on Sugar, and

serue it hot at dinner, but not at Supper.

 

 

[Das Kuchbuch der Sabina Welserin, V. Armstrong (trans.)]

44 To make a wine pudding. Take grated bread crumbs, brown them in fat

until they become crisp, put in good wine and egg yolks in it and

sweeten to taste.

 

54 To make an egg pudding. Beat eggs and milk together and brown bread

crumbs in fat and pour the milk and eggs therein, and let it cook and

salt it.

 

127 A good bread pudding. Take grated white bread, stir it in a pan

with meat broth and let it cook together, so that it becomes a mushy.

After that take four egg yolks, which have been beaten with cold broth,

and let it cook together.

 

136 A bread tart. Take white bread and grate it, take cream, stir it

together, so that it becomes thick like a pudding. Take six egg yolks,

beat them well and with spices thereon, put everything together in a

pastry shell, and bake it like other tarts.

 

- Doc

 

 

Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:25:53 -0400

From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Dessert board

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

Michael Gunter wrote: snipped Although I am curious that I've

> never found a period bread pudding recipe. This struck me as kind of strange

> considering the love of bread dishes and custards. Have I missed a bread

> recipe someplace?  snipped

> Any other suggestions on a nice dessert? I'd do the research but I'm kind

> of busy at work and just being lazy. Besides, I think a discussion  

> on period and non-period sweet dishes would be fun.

>

> Gunthar

 

To make an Italian Pudding.

 

Take a Penny white Loafe, pare off the

crust, and cut it in square pieces like vnto great Dyes, mince a pound

of Beefe Suit small: take halfe a pound of Razins of the Sunne, stone

them and mingle them together, and season them with Sugar, Rosewater,

and Nutmegge, wet these things in foure Egges, and stirre them very

tenderly for breaking the Bread: then put it into a Dish, and pricke

three or foure pieces of Marrow, and some sliced Dates: put it into an

Ouen hot enough for a Chewet: if your Ouen be too hot, it will burne: if

too colde, it will be heauy: when it is bakte scrape on Sugar, and serue

it hot at dinner, but not at Supper.

 

A NEVV BOOKE of Cookerie.

/http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/1615murr.htm /

 

There are other recipes out there too. There's Chireseye which

is described in Stefan's files in

desserts-msg ? 1/11/06  Medieval and SCA dessert recipes. Sweets.

 

Pretty puddings are featured at Ivan Day's site

http://www.historicfood.com/English%20Puddings.htm

 

Johnnae

 

 

Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:41:36 -0400

From: "Guenievre de Monmarche" <guenievre at erminespot.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Dessert board

To: "'Cooks within the SCA'" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

Another bread pudding, if you want earlier...

 

Taillis

 

64. Garlins/Taillis: Taillis. Take figs, grapes, boiled almond milk,

cracknels, galettes and white bread crusts cut into small cubes and boil

these last items in your milk, with saffron to give it colour, and sugar,

and set all of this to boil until it is thick enough to slice. Set it out in

bowls.

 

The Viandier of Taillevent, p. 286

 

Gueni?vre

 

 

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:02:49 -0500

From: "Euriol of Lothian" <euriol at ptd.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] bread pudding

To: "'Cooks within the SCA'" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

Here is the information I have on the book:

 

Grewe Rudolf and Hieatt Constance B.Libellus de arte coquinaria: An Early Northern Cookery Book [Book]. - Tempe : Arizona Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies, 2001. - p. 158. - A critical edition and translation of 13th century Germanic recipes based on four extant manuscripts written in Danish, Icelandic and Low German. - ISBN 0-86698-264-7.

 

The book contains the text from the four manuscripts and an English Translation. It does seem this Harpstrang cookbook maybe one of these four manuscripts

 

Original Recipe:

Recipe XVI

Quomodo temperetur cibus qui vocatur hwit moos.

Man skal tak? s?t mi?lk, oc w?l writhet hwetebr?th oc slaghn? ?g, oc w?l writh?t safran, oc lat? th?t w?ll? til th?t warth?r thiuct. Sithen lat? th?t up a dysk oc kast? I sm?r, oc str? a pulv?r af kani?l. Th?t het?r hwitmoos.

 

English Translation:

Recipe  XVI

How to prepare a dish called White Mush.

One should take fresh milk, and well crushed wheat bread and a beaten egg and well ground saffron, and let it cook until it becomes thick. Then place it on a dish, and add butter, and sprinkle on powdered cinnamon. It is called ?White Mush.?

Redaction:

2 cups milk

.25 cups butter

2 eggs (slightly beaten)

.5 cups table sugar

1 tsp cinnamon (rounded)

.25 tsp salt

8 slices bread

red sugar sprinkles

 

Take milk and butter put them into a sauce pan. Cook on medium heat until butter has melted. Take beaten eggs and add the sugar, cinnamon, and salt to them, mix well. Dice the bread slices. Then fold the bread slices into the egg and spice mixture. Mix the egg mixture and the milk mixture in a casserole dish. Bake at 350 for 45 minutes. After baking is finished take the red sprinkles and sprinkle across the top of the pudding crust.

 

Now I did add sugar to this recipe because I was looking to serve a sweet dish. The red sugar sprinkles on top was just to try to make it look a little more festive.

 

Euriol

 

 

Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:21:05 -0500

From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Bread Puddings for Stefan

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

Your file already has the recipes indexed at

medievalcookery.com. Doc provided those sometime back.

 

Here's another early and simple one.

 

How to make a Lenton Pudding.

 

TAke grated bread, a little Suger, nutmegges, Sinamon Salte, and yolkes

of Egges, tempered with a litle creame.

 

The good hous-wiues treasurie. Imprinted at London : By Edward Allde, 1588.

 

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A Cambridge Pudding.

 

SEarce grated Bread through a Cullinder,

mince it with Flower, minst

Dates, Currins, Nutmeg, Sinamon,

and Pepper, minst Suit, new Milke

warme, fine Sugar, and Egges: take

away some of their whites, worke all

together. Take halfe the Pudding on

the one side, and the other on the other

side, and make it round like a loafe.

Then take Butter, and put it in the

middest of the Pudding, and the other

halfe aloft. Let your liquour boyle,

and throw your Pudding in, being

tyed in a faire cloth: when it is boyled

enough cut it in the middest, and so

serue it in.

 

*John Murrell: A new booke of Cookerie; London Cookerie. London 1615*

 

http://www.uni-giessen.de/gloning/tx/1615murr.htm

 

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Later 17th century recipes include:

 

To make a fine Pudding.

 

Take Crums of white Bread, and so much fine Flour, then take the yolkes

of four Eggs, and one white, a good quantity of Sugar, take so much good

Cream as will temper it as thick as you would make Pancake batter, then

butter your pan, and bake it, so serve it, casting some Sugar upon it,

you must shred suet very small, and put into it.

 

Kent, Elizabeth Grey, Countess of, 1581-1651. A choice manual of rare

and select secrets in physick and chyrurgery collected and practised by

the Right Honorable, the Countesse of Kent, late deceased. 1653. This

also appears in Kent?s A true gentlewomans delight also dated 1653. The

Countess of Kent's book were published also in separate editions as well

as being published in joint editions of all three parts.

 

By the time you get to Hannah Woolley you end up with instructions for

the pudding cloth and steamed or boiled puddings.

 

CCLXXIV. To make a Quaking Pudding.

 

Take Grated Bread, a little Flower, Sugar, Salt, beaten Spice, and store

of Eggs well beaten, mix these well, and beat them together, then dip a

clean Cloth in hot water, and flower it over, and let one hold it at the

four corners till you put it in, so tie it up hard, and let your Water

boil when you put it in, then boil it for one hour, and serve it in with

Sack, Sugar and Butter.

 

CLXXVI. To make a Cambridge-Pudding.

 

Take grated Bread searced through a Cullender, then mix it with fine

Flower, minced Dates, Currans, beaten Spice, Sewet shred small, a little

salt, sugar and rosewater, warm Cream and Eggs, with half their Whites;

mould all these together with a little Yeast, and make it up into a

Loaf, but when you have made it in two parts, ready to clap together,

make a deep hole in the one, and put in butter, then clap on the other,

and close it well together, then butter a Cloth and tie it up hard, and

put it into water which boiles apace, then serve it in with Sack, Butter

and Sugar.

 

You may bake it if you please in a baking-pan.

 

Woolley, Hannah, fl. 1670. The queen-like closet; or, Rich cabinet

stored with all manner of rare receipts for preserving, candying &

cookery. 1670.

 

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In terms of a good collection of English pudding recipes, you might

check out Sara Paston-Williams.

She did a volume called The National Trust Book of Traditional Puddings

back in 1983 which morphed into Traditional Puddings

in 1988 and then into Good Old-Fashioned Puddings in 2007. Also check

out Ivan Day's website

http://www.historicfood.com/English%20Puddings.htm where he goes into

the pudding cloth.

 

Johnnae

 

 

Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 09:42:15 -0500

From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Bread Puddings for Stefan

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

 

Possibly prior to Lent? Could be the "Lenton" is a place.

There was a Lenton Priory.

http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/whatnall1928/lenton_priory.htm

 

Johnnae

 

S CLEMENGER wrote:

Huh! I wonder why it's considered "Lenten" if it's got egg and cream in

it....(sounds good, though.....)

--Maire

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Johnna

 

Your file already has the recipes indexed at

medievalcookery.com. Doc provided those sometime back.

 

Here's another early and simple one.

 

How to make a Lenton Pudding.

 

TAke grated bread, a little Suger, nutmegges, Sinamon Salte, and yolkes

of Egges, tempered with a litle creame.

 

The good hous-wiues treasurie. Imprinted at London : By Edward Allde, 1588.

 

<the end>



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