corned-beef-msg - 9/3/06 ਀ഊCorned and salted beef. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: Preservng-CMA-art, pickled-foods-msg, spice-use-art, meat-smoked-msg, pickled-meats-msg, stockfish-msg, salt-msg, Lrds-Salt-Exp-art. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊDate: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:32:55 -0600 (CST) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䰀 䠀攀爀爀ⴀ䜀攀氀愀琀琀 愀渀搀 䨀 刀 䜀攀氀愀琀琀 㰀氀椀漀渀琀愀洀爀 愀琀 瀀琀搀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: SC - Beef Recipes ਀ഊHello folks! I hope you had a happy Turkey Day. ਀ഊI am wondering if anyone can solve a mystery for me. Our recent discussion ਀愀戀漀甀琀 䌀漀爀渀攀搀 䈀攀攀昀 氀攀愀搀 洀攀 琀漀 猀攀愀爀挀栀 昀漀爀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 戀攀攀昀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 ⠀挀漀爀渀攀搀 椀渀ഊparticular, but I'm not fussy). I have a recipe from Apecius for preserved ਀戀攀攀昀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀猀 瀀椀挀欀氀椀渀最Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 琀攀爀爀椀戀氀礀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀ഊto corned beef. I have recipes for potted beef (a beef paste made w/butter). ਀倀爀攀猀猀攀搀 戀攀攀昀 椀猀 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀 漀甀琀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 䌀漀氀氀攀爀攀搀 䈀攀攀昀ഊwhich looks fairly close but is also just out of period. No where can I seem ਀琀漀 昀椀渀搀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 䌀漀爀渀攀搀 戀攀攀昀Ⰰ 匀愀氀琀 䈀攀攀昀Ⰰ 倀椀挀欀氀攀搀 戀攀攀昀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 椀渀 洀礀ഊsources, unless they are out of period----mostly way out. ਀ഊI ran across a referance to corned beef (allegorically) in a description of ਀愀 氀漀渀最 眀椀渀搀攀搀 ㄀㈀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䤀爀椀猀栀 瀀漀攀洀 椀渀 愀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 渀攀琀⸀ 䤀琀 猀攀攀洀猀ഊCorned Beef was the lure to tempt the demons of gluttony from the King's ਀猀琀漀洀愀挀栀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 猀愀氀琀 戀攀攀昀 琀栀攀渀⸀ 䤀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀栀攀 栀愀渀搀氀攀 ∀挀漀爀渀攀搀∀ 眀愀猀ഊpicked up around the time of the potato famine, when most of the beef in ਀䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 眀愀猀 攀砀瀀漀爀琀攀搀 瀀愀挀欀攀搀 椀渀 欀攀爀渀攀氀猀 漀昀 猀愀氀琀 琀栀攀 猀椀稀攀 漀昀 挀漀爀渀⸀ഊ ਀匀漀 栀攀爀攀 椀猀 洀礀 焀甀愀渀搀爀礀㨀 䄀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀渀礀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 戀攀攀昀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 洀椀搀 琀漀ഊlater period Europe or British Isles? My sources do not provide any, but my ਀氀椀戀爀愀爀礀 椀猀 戀礀 渀漀 洀攀愀渀猀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀⸀ 䤀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 ∀挀漀爀渀∀ 洀礀 漀眀渀 戀爀椀猀欀攀琀 愀猀 愀ഊsurprise for my mom, but I have an eye towards doing this for an event in ਀焀甀愀渀琀椀琀礀⸀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 猀椀琀攀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀洀愀爀礀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 愀瀀愀爀愀琀甀猀 愀爀攀 爀愀渀最攀ⴀ琀漀瀀猀⸀ഊThat makes it perfect for boiled beef. ਀ഊIt occurs to me that salt beef may have been one of those "so simple you ਀挀愀渀✀琀 洀攀猀猀 椀琀 甀瀀∀ 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀爀攀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀漀漀搀 椀渀琀甀椀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 戀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀漀漀欀猀⸀ഊOr possibly, an item supplied by somene who made it professionally and sold ਀椀琀 琀漀 洀愀渀礀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀猀⸀ 伀爀Ⰰ 焀甀椀琀攀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀Ⰰ 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀椀渀最 椀琀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 樀漀戀 漀昀ഊsomeone who did not write cookbooks or recipes! Or else, I've been looking ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 眀爀漀渀最 瀀氀愀挀攀猀⸀ 䤀 樀甀猀琀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀⸀ഊ ਀䄀漀椀昀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:59:18 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀漀栀渀渀愀 䠀漀氀氀漀眀愀礀 㰀樀漀栀渀渀愀 愀琀 猀椀琀欀愀⸀攀渀最椀渀⸀甀洀椀挀栀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Spices and the Irish Common folk ਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 戀漀漀欀猀 渀漀眀 漀渀 䤀爀椀猀栀 昀漀漀搀猀 愀爀攀 䈀爀椀搀 䴀愀栀漀渀✀猀 䰀愀渀搀 漀昀 䴀椀氀欀 愀渀搀 䠀漀渀攀礀 愀渀搀ഊCowan and Sexton's Ireland's Traditional Foods which came out in 1997 ਀愀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀甀爀漀琀攀爀爀漀椀爀猀 瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀 琀漀 椀搀攀渀琀椀昀礀 爀攀最椀漀渀愀氀 昀漀漀搀猀⸀ഊThe latter book says that the traditional ingredients are beef, salt, ਀愀渀搀 猀愀氀琀瀀攀琀爀攀⸀ 䴀漀搀攀爀渀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 猀漀搀椀甀洀 愀猀挀漀爀戀愀琀攀⸀ഊ ਀䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 眀椀猀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 搀椀猀栀 最漀攀猀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ㄀㄀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 眀栀攀爀攀 椀琀 椀猀ഊmentioned in the Aislinge meic Conglinne. Mahon also relates this, ਀挀愀氀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 眀漀爀欀 吀栀攀 嘀椀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 䴀愀挀 䌀漀渀最氀椀渀渀攀⸀ഊThere is a spiced beef which is a corned beef with additional spices dates back to at least the 14th century. [Cowan and Sexton say that spices ਀眀攀爀攀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀攀搀 琀漀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀 椀渀 最爀攀愀琀攀爀 焀甀愀渀椀琀椀攀猀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 琀栀攀 䄀渀最氀漀ⴀ一漀爀洀愀渀ഊinvasions of the 12th century.] This is something traditionally made at ਀栀漀洀攀 愀渀搀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 愀琀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀洀愀猀⸀ 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀椀爀攀氀愀渀搀昀漀爀瘀椀猀椀琀漀爀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀⼀戀氀戀攀攀昀⸀栀琀洀ഊ ਀䌀漀爀渀攀搀 䈀攀攀昀 眀愀猀 愀 洀愀樀漀爀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㠀琀栀 愀渀搀 氀愀琀攀爀 挀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀 眀栀攀爀攀 愀渀礀 戀攀攀昀 渀漀琀 挀漀渀猀甀洀攀搀 昀爀攀猀栀 眀愀猀 猀愀氀琀攀搀 搀漀眀渀 昀漀爀 氀愀琀攀爀 挀漀渀猀甀洀瀀琀椀漀渀⸀ 䌀漀爀欀 昀漀爀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 挀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀 眀愀猀 愀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 漀昀 挀漀爀渀攀搀 戀攀攀昀 愀渀搀 猀栀椀瀀猀 戀漀甀渀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀猀 愀渀搀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 挀愀爀爀椀攀搀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀 昀爀漀洀 䤀爀攀氀愀渀搀⸀ 䌀漀爀欀 愀氀猀漀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀搀 琀栀攀 挀漀爀渀攀搀 戀攀攀昀 琀栀愀琀 昀攀搀 琀栀攀 䈀爀椀琀椀猀栀 䄀爀洀椀攀猀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 一愀瀀漀氀攀漀渀椀挀 圀愀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀洀漀渀最 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀漀爀 栀漀洀攀 挀漀爀渀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀爀攀 琀栀漀猀攀ഊfound in Grace Firth's Stillroom Cookery. ਀ഊJohnnae llyn Lewis ਀ഊHelen Schultz wrote: ਀ഊ> I've been having a discussion with my father (a self-proclaimed ਀㸀 愀甀琀栀漀爀椀琀礀 漀渀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 㰀最爀椀渀㸀⤀ 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 琀礀瀀攀猀 漀昀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀 琀栀攀  ഊ> common Irish folk might have had. This was sparked by a neighbor ਀㸀 琀愀欀椀渀最 栀椀洀 琀漀 搀椀渀渀攀爀 昀漀爀 匀琀⸀ 倀愀琀爀椀挀欀✀猀 䐀愀礀 愀渀搀 栀攀 昀攀氀琀 琀栀攀 挀漀爀渀攀搀  ഊ> beef & cabbage wasn't fixed correctly . ਀㸀ഊ> I did find him a fairly good recipe for it on Martha Stewart.com, ਀㸀 戀甀琀 栀攀 栀愀猀 挀漀洀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 洀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 䤀爀椀猀栀 昀漀氀欀  ഊ> who invented this dish (?? did they, I don't know that, myself) ਀㸀 樀甀猀琀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀 昀漀爀 洀愀欀椀渀最 挀漀爀渀攀搀 戀攀攀昀⸀  䤀  ഊ> told him I could show him 14th century recipes in England that used ਀㸀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀攀 挀漀甀渀琀攀爀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 昀漀氀欀  ഊ> wouldn't have had them. ਀㸀ഊ> Anyway, what I need is some help finding out the real story behind ਀㸀 渀漀琀 漀渀氀礀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 挀漀爀渀攀搀 戀攀攀昀 挀愀洀攀 愀戀漀甀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀氀猀漀 猀漀洀攀 椀渀昀漀 漀渀 琀栀攀  ഊ> spices normally used to make corned beef. Martha Stewart corned ਀㸀 栀攀爀 戀攀攀昀 眀椀琀栀 眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 瀀椀挀欀氀椀渀最 猀愀氀琀Ⰰ 搀爀礀 洀甀猀琀愀爀搀Ⰰ 瀀椀挀欀氀椀渀最 猀瀀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ  ഊ> garlic, and ground pepper. Now, pickling salt would be just good ਀㸀 漀氀搀 猀攀愀 猀愀氀琀Ⰰ 䤀✀洀 猀甀爀攀⸀  䴀甀猀琀愀爀搀 椀猀 渀漀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀Ⰰ 渀攀椀琀栀攀爀 椀猀  ഊ> garlic... but what about pickling spices? I don't pickle, so I ਀㸀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 愀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀 漀昀⸀  倀攀瀀瀀攀爀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀  ഊ> slight problem for a common Irishman, but was it totally un-used by ਀㸀 琀栀攀洀㼀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 䄀渀礀 栀攀氀瀀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 眀攀氀挀漀洀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀縀ഊ> Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schönborn, OL ਀㸀 匀栀椀爀攀 漀昀 一愀爀爀攀渀琀愀氀 ⠀倀攀爀甀Ⰰ 䤀渀搀椀愀渀愀⤀  栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀渀愀爀爀攀渀琀愀氀⸀栀漀洀攀⸀挀漀洀挀愀猀琀⸀渀攀琀ഊ> Middle Kingdom ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㐀 䴀愀爀 ㈀　　㘀 ㈀㄀㨀㐀㠀㨀　㤀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: Johnna Holloway ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䌀漀爀渀椀渀最 愀猀 愀 琀攀爀洀ⴀⴀ 伀䔀䐀眀椀猀攀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊCorn-- selected definitions from the OED--- Johnnae ਀ഊc. Kind or size of `grain'. Obs. ਀ഊ * 1674-91 Ray N.C. Words 206 The Ale serves to harden the Corn of ਀       琀栀攀 匀愀氀琀⸀ഊ ਀     ⨀ ㄀㘀㜀㤀 倀氀漀琀 匀琀愀昀昀漀爀搀猀栀⸀ ⠀㄀㘀㠀㘀⤀ 㤀㐀 䤀昀 琀栀攀礀 椀渀琀攀渀搀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 䌀漀爀渀攀 嬀漀昀ഊ salt] they put into it [the brine] about..a quart of the ਀猀琀爀漀渀最攀猀琀ഊ and stalest Ale. ਀ഊ ਀㈀⸀ 椀渀琀爀⸀ 吀漀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 昀漀爀洀 漀昀 最爀愀椀渀猀Ⰰ 琀漀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 最爀愀渀甀氀愀爀⸀ 伀戀猀⸀ഊ ਀     ⨀ ㄀㔀㘀　 圀栀椀琀攀栀漀爀渀攀 伀爀搀⸀ 匀漀甀氀搀椀漀甀爀猀 ⠀㄀㔀㠀㠀⤀ ㈀㠀 䤀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 匀攀攀甀攀  ഊthe ਀       瀀漀甀搀攀爀 洀甀猀琀 戀攀 瀀甀琀 眀栀椀氀攀 椀琀 椀猀 搀愀渀挀欀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀氀猀漀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 戀漀眀氀攀Ⰰഊ that when you sifte, it may roule vp and doune vpon the clots of ਀       瀀漀甀搀攀爀Ⰰ 琀漀 戀爀攀愀欀攀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 洀愀礀 挀漀爀渀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀甀渀渀攀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀ഊ hooles of the Seeue. ਀ഊ * 1674-91 Ray Making Salt Coll. 206 After one hour's boiling the ਀       䈀爀椀渀攀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀最椀渀 琀漀 挀漀爀渀⸀ഊ ਀     ⨀ ㄀㘀㜀㤀 倀氀漀琀 匀琀愀昀昀漀爀搀猀栀⸀ ⠀㄀㘀㠀㘀⤀ 㤀㐀 吀栀攀礀 戀漀椀氀攀 椀琀 嬀琀栀攀 戀爀椀渀攀崀 愀最愀椀渀ഊ gently till it begin to Corne. ਀ഊ3. trans. To sprinkle with salt in grains; to season, pickle, or ਀瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀 眀椀琀栀 猀愀氀琀㬀 琀漀 猀愀氀琀⸀ഊ ਀     ⨀ ㄀㔀㘀㔀ⴀ㜀㌀ 䌀漀漀瀀攀爀 吀栀攀猀愀甀爀甀猀Ⰰ 䄀猀瀀攀爀最攀爀攀 猀愀氀攀洀 挀愀爀渀椀戀甀猀Ⰰ 琀漀 挀漀爀渀攀 眀椀琀栀ഊ salt. ਀ഊ * 1573 Tusser Husb. (1878) 167 Some corneth, some brineth, some ਀眀椀氀氀ഊ not be taught, where meate is attainted, there cookrie is naught. ਀ഊ * 1634 R. H. Salernes Regim. 86 The foresaid fishes be better, ਀       戀攀攀椀渀最 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 挀漀爀渀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 匀愀氀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 昀爀攀猀栀Ⰰ 漀爀 甀琀琀攀爀氀礀 猀愀氀琀⸀ഊ ਀     ⨀ ㄀㜀㐀㠀 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀猀漀渀 䌀氀愀爀椀猀猀愀 ⠀㄀㠀㄀㄀⤀ 嘀⸀ ㈀㘀㘀 吀栀攀 戀攀攀昀 眀愀猀 眀漀甀渀搀椀氀礀  ഊcorned. ਀ഊ * 1801 Chron. in Ann. Reg. 1800, 110 Herrings sprinkled (or, as it ਀       椀猀 琀攀爀洀攀搀Ⰰ 怀爀漀甀猀攀搀 漀爀 挀漀爀渀攀搀✀⤀ 眀椀琀栀 愀 洀漀搀攀爀愀琀攀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀礀 漀昀 猀愀氀琀⸀ഊ ਀     ⨀ ㄀㠀㠀㈀ 匀愀琀⸀ 刀攀瘀⸀ 䰀䤀嘀⸀ 㘀㐀㈀ 伀戀氀椀最攀搀 琀漀 挀漀爀渀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀攀愀琀ഊ as the only way of preserving it for use. ਀ഊ ਀倀栀椀氀 吀爀漀礀 ⼀ 䜀⸀ 吀愀挀椀琀甀猀 䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀 猀渀椀瀀瀀攀搀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀琀✀猀 戀攀攀渀 愀氀氀攀最攀搀 戀礀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 ∀挀漀爀渀椀渀最∀ 椀猀 愀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀ഊ> either to A) coarse salt resembling "corns" of gunpowder, or possibly ਀㸀 䈀⤀ 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 最甀渀瀀漀眀搀攀爀 ⠀昀漀爀 椀琀猀 猀愀氀琀瀀攀琀攀爀ഊ> content). Spices are sort of incidental, it appears. ਀㸀 䤀✀瘀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 攀渀挀漀甀渀琀攀爀攀搀 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 漀爀 渀攀愀爀ⴀ瀀攀爀椀漀搀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 挀漀爀渀攀搀ഊ> beef, myself: salt beef, yes, and later, powdered beef. ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䴀愀爀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀㠀㨀㔀㤀㨀㔀㈀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: Johnna Holloway ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 匀瀀椀挀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䤀爀椀猀栀 䌀漀洀洀漀渀 昀漀氀欀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊMistress Kiri forgot to mention that Peter Brear's All The King's Cooks ਀栀愀猀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀 椀渀 椀琀 漀渀 猀愀氀琀 戀攀攀昀⸀ 䠀攀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 䄀渀搀爀攀眀 䈀漀漀爀搀攀ഊand Tusser as sources among others. Two recipes for Dry ਀匀愀氀琀 漀爀 䌀漀爀渀攀搀 䈀攀攀昀  愀渀搀 圀攀琀 匀愀氀琀 䈀攀攀昀 愀爀攀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀搀⸀ 匀攀攀ഊpages 56-57. ਀ഊJohnnae ਀ഊElaine Koogler wrote: ਀㴀㴀㴀ഊExcept, according to Peter Brears ("10,000 Years ਀漀昀 䈀爀椀琀椀猀栀 䌀漀漀欀椀渀最∀Ⰰ ∀䄀氀氀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最✀猀 䌀漀漀欀猀∀⤀ 愀渀搀 䴀愀搀最攀 䰀漀爀眀椀渀 ⠀∀䐀椀渀椀渀最ഊwith William Shakespeare") at the Yule season, when pork brawn was ਀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 愀猀 愀 挀攀氀攀戀爀愀琀漀爀礀 搀椀猀栀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀洀愀猀 昀攀愀猀琀⸀  䈀爀攀愀爀猀 攀瘀攀渀 栀愀猀ഊpictures of the cooks at Hampton Court recreating the dish at the ਀䌀栀爀椀猀琀洀愀猀 挀攀氀攀戀爀愀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 愀 眀漀渀搀攀爀昀甀氀 搀椀猀栀⸀⸀⸀䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 椀琀 愀琀ഊa couple of late period feasts and it was consumed with great glee by ਀琀栀攀 愀琀琀攀渀搀攀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䬀椀爀椀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:10:56 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀漀栀渀渀愀 䠀漀氀氀漀眀愀礀 㰀樀漀栀渀渀愀 愀琀 猀椀琀欀愀⸀攀渀最椀渀⸀甀洀椀挀栀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] recipes for salted beef was Spices and the ਀ऀ䤀爀椀猀栀ऀ䌀漀洀洀漀渀 昀漀氀欀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊAnother source for actual recipes plus excellent commentary ਀漀渀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀 漀昀 猀愀氀琀 戀攀攀昀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 甀猀攀 漀昀 猀愀氀琀瀀攀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 猀愀氀琀ഊmay be found in the Tudor-Jacobean manuscripts that make ਀甀瀀 䴀愀爀琀栀愀 圀愀猀栀椀渀最琀漀渀✀猀 䈀漀漀欀攀 漀昀 䌀漀漀欀攀爀礀 眀椀琀栀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀愀爀礀ഊby Karen Hess. See recipes 196 and 197. ਀ഊJohnnae ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ挀漀爀渀攀搀ⴀ戀攀攀昀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 㔀 漀昀 㔀ഊ ਊ