melons-msg - 4/18/20 Period melons. References. Recipes. Watermelons, cantaloupe. NOTE: See also the files: fruits-msg, watermelons-msg, fruit-pears-msg, fruit-quinces-msg, apples-msg, nuts-msg, drying-foods-msg, cider-msg, vinegar-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:37:26 -0800 (PST) From: Huette von Subject: Re: SC - Melons. - ---"Alderton, Philippa" wrote: > Anybody know if there were any melons available in Italy, about 15th to 16th > centuries? If so, what sort? Am thinking there might have been some > available fron Spain. > > Phlip In "The Four Seasons of the House of Cerruti" which is a reprint of the "Tacuinum Sanitatis in Medicina" which is a 14th century Italian/Latin health manual, melons are depicted. Unfortunately, I don't have the book in front of me at the moment. (I am at work.) If you need more specifics, I will post them here on Monday. Huette Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:10:26 EST From: LrdRas at aol.com Subject: Re: SC - Melons. phlip at morganco.net writes: << Anybody know if there were any melons available in Italy, about 15th to 16th centuries? If so, what sort? Am thinking there might have been some available fron Spain. Phlip >> Both watermelons and musk melons are period. Ras Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:54:34 -0000 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nanna_R=F6gnvaldard=F3ttir?=" Subject: Re: SC - Melons. >Anybody know if there were any melons available in Italy, about 15th to 16th >centuries? If so, what sort? Am thinking there might have been some >available fron Spain. As far as I know, melons were rather popular in Italy by the 15th century - they seem to have disappeared for some time but there is speculation they were brought back by the Crusaders. Platina has an entry on melons and suggests it should be eaten at the beginning of the meal, followed by a drink of good wine. Cantaloupes reached Italy from Armenina sometime in the 15th century and were first cultivated in the papal gardens at Cantalupo near Rome. Watermelons were also available; not sure about other types. Nanna Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:56:27 -0000 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nanna_R=F6gnvaldard=F3ttir?=" Subject: Re: SC - Melons. From: Alderton, Philippa >Where's the entry in Platina? I'm using him for my main source. Am I missing >something, are they called by another name? My source for this is Gastronomy of Italy, by Anna del Conte. She says: "Platina has a long entry in which he praises the tastiness of the fruit, but warns against it being "cold and damp" and therefore indigestible. For this reason he suggests that it should be eaten at the beginning of the meal and followed by a drink of good wine, this being "an antidote to its rawness and frigidity."" Pepone is an alternative Italian name for melon, directly from Latin pepon (ripe), also the source of English pumpkin. Nanna Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 19:03:59 -0000 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nanna_R=F6gnvaldard=F3ttir?=" Subject: Re: SC - Melons. >Where's the entry in Platina? I'm using him for my main source. You might also check his Lives of the Popes - his comments on the demise of Pope Paul II, admittedly no friend of Platina. The pope´s official cause of death was listed as "a stroke" - brought on by "eating a surfeit of melons." Platina told quite another story, IIRC, involving the pointiffs sexual preferences. Nanna Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:49:29 -0800 From: david friedman Subject: Re: SC - Melons. At 5:37 PM -0800 2/26/99, Huette von wrote: >In "The Four Seasons of the House of Cerruti" which >is a reprint of the "Tacuinum Sanitatis in Medicina" >which is a 14th century Italian/Latin health manual, >melons are depicted. Unfortunately, I don't have >the book in front of me at the moment. (I am at >work.) If you need more specifics, I will post them >here on Monday. The fact that something is in Tacuinum Sanitatis doesn't necessarily mean it was available in 14th c. Italy, since the text is translated (I believe) from the Arabic original. Some of the illustrations are pretty clearly by artists who had never seen the originals. I would check in Platina; I'm almost certain you will find melons. David Friedman Professor of Law Santa Clara University Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:58:34 -0500 From: "Daniel Phelps" Subject: Re: SC - Melons. Regarding the book referenced [previously] I just happened to have it handy. It is "The Four Seasons of the House of Cerruti" Translated by Judith Spencer, complete revised translation, Facts on File Publications NY, NY, /Bicester, England copyright 1983 by Arnoldo Mondadori Editore S.p.A. English translation 1984 Arnoldo Mondadori Editore S.p.A. ISBN 0-8160-0138-3 This is a facsimile edition and translation of the 14th century Latin manuscript known as the Tacuinum Sanitatis in Medicina. Pages 34 and 35 depict three types of melons listed in the captions as melon, watermelon and Watermelons from the east. The first, Melones dulces, from the illustration and the test appears to be the elongated ovidal alternating dark and light green stripped melons with red centers that are one of the two related types of melons sold as water melons in the States. The second, Melones issipidi, appears to the second type of melon sold in the States as water melons commonly referred to as cannon balls when I was a child. From the illustration they are round or roundish and about twice the size of a mans head. None were cut open in the illustration and the text does not indicate the color of the flesh inside. In the illustration they are dark green with perhaps a hint of thin stripping. The text repeats the test for ripeness I heard as a child, "Always choose really ripe watermelons, which are recognizable by the sound obtained by tapping the outside. The third, Molones indi et palestini are slightly smaller in the illustration than the second and are descriped in the text as being large, sweet. and yellow. The text suggests choosing large, very sweet watery ones. From the illustration they look a lot like cantalopes and it shows someone sniffing one. Incidentally it also shows something which they call pumpkins which are elongated green squashes which have the shape of streached and slightly bent pears but from the illustration are about the length of a man's arm. They call it a Cucurbite. It also shows dark purple aubergines (egeplant) which they call Melongiana. Daniel Raoul le Vascon du Navarre' Shire of Sea March, Kingdom of Trimaris Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:13:50 -0500 From: Ian Gourdon Subject: SC - Re: Melons 14th Cen I did a little melon research for an event lunch a while back... Melon is one of the dishes served in 1443 at the feast given by John Stafford at his installation as Archbishop of Canterbury. page 166 in A Feast of Fruits by Elizabeth Riely NY: MacMillan 1993 "...shows themelon's Near Eastern origin... Via Arabs and Moors the fruit found its way to Spain... ; There are countless varieties of melon, Cucumis melo, ... ; These members of the squash, or gourd, family cross pollinate so promiscuously that farmers know they must plant them well separated from each other... ; the musk melon ... includes what the Americans call the cantaloupe...; The Persian melon is another larger musk melon...; The skin can be ridged in segments, but always has the characteristic raised netted pattern on the skin." page 49 in Food in History by Reay Tannahill NY: Stein & Day 1973 "The (early) people of the Indus valley ate wheat and barley ... and seasoned it with mustard, or possibly turmeric, or ginger...; Melons and dates, and perhaps lemons and limes all figured in the diet." from Plants of the Bible by Harold N. Moldenke Waltham, Mass. Chronica Botanica Company 1952 " Numbers 11:5 - We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlick." page 188 in Medieval Culture and Society edited by David Herlihy NY: Harper and Row 1968 ( RE:Florence in 1336-38): " We have discovered by the tax at the gates that every year Florence imported upwards of 55,000 cogna of wine...; The city required every year about 400 cows and calves; 60,000 muttons and sheep; 20,000 she-goats and he-goats; and 30,000 pigs. In the month of July through the gate of San Frediano there entered 4000 loads of melons, which were all distributed in the city." - -- Ian Gourdon of Glen Awe - - Companion of the order of the Greenwood Company Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:40:11 -0000 From: Christina Nevin Subject: SC - Melons, thrushes and periodised lamb A small addition to Ian Gourdon's list of melon references - Piero Aretino (the famous Venetian poet and infamous gossip) in a letter of 3rd June 1537 thanking Mssr Francesco Marcolini for gifts of salads and fruits says; "I can risk a wager against anyone wanting to claim that I was not the first to see this year's figs, grown in your delightful garden. And I shall also be the first to taste the pears, the apricots, the melons, the plums, the grapes and the peaches." Aretino obviously loved his food and dots wonderful little descriptions throughout his letters. They're worth browsing for that alone almost (they're also very witty). My favorite however must be his description of eating a gift of thrushes; "They were such that our Mssr Titian when he saw them on the spit and sniffed them with his nose, glanced at the snow which was falling relentlessly outside while the table was being set, and decided there and then to disappoint a party of gentlemen who had asked him to dinner. And altogether we heaped praises upon the long-beaked birds which, boiled with a little dried meat, a couple of bay leaves and a good sprinkling of pepper, we ate for the love of you, but also because they delighted us..." Lucretzia Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:15:48 -0800 From: david friedman Subject: Re: SC - Melons. Phlip asks: >Where's the entry in Platina? I'm using him for my main source. It is in Platina's Book 1, in the old translation (Falconwood Press edition) on page 16. It is headed "Longmelons" and mostly concern the medical qualities of melons and what the ancients had to say about them. Elizabeth/Betty Cook Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:31:07 -0500 From: Jenn/Yana Subject: Re: SC - pickled melon documentation Jadwiga wrote: >The pickled Melon _recipe_ in the Domostroi may be postperiod (I don't >have my copy with me, but Yana will know) but mentioned of pickled melon >and other fruit are in the period portion of the Domostroi. Yep, it is in the "questionable" part of the Domostroi (the Long Version that has parts that probably come from outside our period). The melons in question were likely imported from Azerbaijan or another South Central Asian country. For those who are wondering: (Pouncy:199-200) Watermelons. Strain watermelon puree through a fine sieve. Let it ripen in an alkaline solution. When it is ripe, do not cook it, but let it purify itself. Take a watermelon and cut it into layers. Take out the seeds. Cut about two fingers width from the skin, leaving a little of the green flesh. Peel off strips a little thicker than paper. Put the strips in the juice and let them sit, changing the juice halfway through. Add honey and cook the mixture over a slow flame. Skim off any foam that appears. When the mixture is clear and no more foam appears, the syrup is ready. To the hot mixture, add spices--pepper, ginger, cloves, cinnamon, mace, or nutmeg--and simmer it. Put the syrup in a bowl so it will not burn. When it is ready, put watermelon in a lime solution, then cool it will not burn. When it is ready, put watermelon pieces in the syrup. Other people say you should cook the watermelon in a lime solution, then cool it before adding it to honey cooked with spices. Melons. Peel melons thinly. Cut the body of the melon in half, then place it in an alkaline solution for a day and a night. Put the pieces in a spiced syrup like the one used for watermelons and let them sit. Stir the pieces, turning them over, from time to time. Others say that you should leave the melons in the syrup for a while, then pour it off and replace it, leaving it there for a week altogether. When the syrup has evaporated, add honey with spices--pepper, ginger, and cloves. - --Yana Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 16:40:55 From: "Vincent Cuenca" Subject: SC - Torta de melones orta de melones Tomase el melon limpio de la corteza y de la semilla, y que no este muy maduro, y cortese a bocadillos, y haganse freyr poco a poco con manteca mezclandolo con la cuchara de contino, saquese y dexese enfriar, y passese por el colador, y a cada dos libros de melon frito an~adansele seys onzas de queso de Tronchon or Parmesano y seys onzas de requeson, or queso fresco bien majado, seys onzas de queso de Pinto mantecoso una onza de canela, media onza de pimienta, seys onzas de azucar, diez hiemas de hueuos frescos, o a lo menos seys con las claras, y tengasa la cazuela tortera vntada con manteca, con vn ojaldre de pasta algo gordo hecho de la flor de la harina, agua rosada, hiemas de hueuos, manteca de vacas, y sal, y su tortillon ojaldrado alrededor, y pongase dentro la composicion, y hagase cozer en el horno con manteca derretida por encima, y en estando casi cozida hagase la corteza de azucar, y canela, y en estando cozida siruase caliente. Desta manera se puede hazer de los duraznos y aluaricoques, y ciruelas mal maduras. Melon Torte Take melon cleaned of the rind and the seeds, and which should not be very ripe, and cut it into bite-size pieces, and fry them bit by bit with lard mixing them with a slotted spoon (?), take them out and let them cool, and pass them through a strainer, and to each two pounds of fried melon add six ounces of Tronchon or Parmesan cheese amd six ounces of curds, or well mashed fresh cheese, six ounces of fatty Pinto cheese one ounce of cinnamon, half an ounce of pepper, six ounces of sugar, ten fresh egg yolks, or at least six with the whites, and have the torte pan greased with lard, with a leaf of somewhat thick dough made with the best flour, rose water, egg yolks, cow's lard, and salt, and its layered crust all around (?), and put the mixture in, and let it cook in the oven with melted lard over it, and when it is almost cooked make the crust with sugar, and cinnamon,* and when it is cooked serve it hot. In this way you can make it with peaches and apricots, and poorly ripened plums. *This is similar to de Nola's recipe for Torta Genovesa, which instructs the cook to sprinkle cinnamon and sugar over the torte as it is baking to form a crisp layer. Mind you, this is a quick and dirty translation. I'm totally faking "cuchara de contino"; could also be "stir continuously with a spoon". Sounds yummy, though. Maybe I'll try this for Queen's Prize next year! :) Vicente Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:07:22 -0500 From: "Terry Decker" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Watermelon To: "Cooks within the SCA" It was probably called melon (Middle English derived from Latin derived from Greek), a term that covers both Cucumis melo and Citrullus vulgaris (or C. lanatus, if you choose). The Cucurbitaceae are more precisely fruit bearing vines rather than vegetables, although the English word "vegetable" does not make a clear distinction between the two. Cucumbers being from genus Cucumis are more closely related to the other melons. Pumpkins and squash are in genus Cucrbita. Other related plants are gourds (Lagenaria) and loofahs (Luffa). Bear > This showed up in my mailbox today and thought it might be of interest. > The last fact makes me wonder what the English called the watermelon > prior to 1615. Does anyone know? > > Tara > > Fun Facts about Watermelon Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:42:27 -0500 From: "Terry Decker" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Melons in England To: "Cooks within the SCA" The Oxford Companion to Food says melons (Cucumis melo) were introduced into England in the 16th Century where they were grown "under glass bells, in greenhouses or 'steam-pits.'" Melons have been cultivated on and off in southern Europe since Roman times and were certainly reintroduced into the area by the Arabs. The first medieval European reference seems to be Albertus Magnus in the 13th Century. Bear <<< Anybody have any info on people eating melons in England - whatever period? Someone suggested that Watermelon & cantaloupe would be good at my upcoming feast and I think it would go over well. But now I have to figure out if it is period for the region. Serena >>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:47:07 -0400 From: Johnna Holloway Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Melons in England To: Cooks within the SCA Artworks include Cotan's Quince, Cabbage, Melon & Cucumber (1600) Credit: San Diego Museum of Art http://www.suite101.com/view_image.cfm/360562 Aertsen click on the small painting to enlarge. I think the one is a melon. http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/aertsen/vegetable-stall/ http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/aertsen/vendor-vegetable.jpg Then also take a look at The Four Elements: Earth. A Fruit and Vegetable Market with the Flight into Egypt in the Background' *1569 by Joachim Beuckelaer *Sixteen different varieties of vegetable and fruit have been identified. http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/education/ITT/earth.html http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/work?workNumber=ng6585 Here's instructions for a tart of Roman melons This is an excerpt from *Ouverture de Cuisine* (France, 1604 - Daniel Myers, trans.) The original source can be found at MedievalCookery.com To make a tart of Roman melons. Take a melon that is not at all overripe, & wash it well within & without, & finely chop, then take four ounces of good fat cheese, two ounces of sugar, a quarter ounce of cinnamon, & a nutmeg, & make the tart like the others, when cooked, sprinkle sugar thereon, & color with nutmeg. Johnnae Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:55:24 -0400 From: Suey Subject: [Sca-cooks] Melons in England To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org Terry Decker wrote: <<< The Oxford Companion to Food says melons (Cucumis melo) were introduced into England in the 16th Century where they were grown "under glass bells, in greenhouses or 'steam-pits.'" Melons have been cultivated on and off in southern Europe since Roman times and were certainly reintroduced into the area by the Arabs. The first medieval European reference seems to be Albertus Magnus in the 13th Century. Bear >>> L.Cucumis melo, Ar. destbuya or betti-h, Fr. melon, Eng. melon. It is a native of Jordan, which was imported to other countries under Roman domination. In Spain, Arabs introduced it from Egypt around 825 and it was first cultivated in A?over del Tajo, an al-Andalus town, no longer existing, named for a village near Rome. It became a symbol in Muslim Spain for the excellent crops produced there in the Middle Ages. Melon was frequently eaten in Le?n during the 10th C. Villena (15th C)instructs to slice it lengthwise and remove the pits. He says it can be cut horizontally into rounds but it is better lengthwise. It has been said that Holy Roman Emperors Albert, Frederick III and Henry IV of Germany and Pope Paul II died as result of eating too much melon. Avenzoar explains that the melon may experience a noxious transformation generating a humor similar to poison if when eaten this occurs. The meal in the stomach prevents the melon from leaving it. The chances of this happening are less than one in 1,000. Luis Lobera de Avila, court physician of Charles V of Hapsburg wrote in his medical manual of 1530 that melon seeds are humid and were used to reduce fever and to expel kidney stones. [Bolens. 1990:34; ES: Carroll-Mann.Guisados 2-art. Jun 6, 01: ftn 74; ES: Chu. Oct 13, 02; Ibn Zuhr/Garc?a S?nchez. 1992:86-88; S?nchez-Albornoz. 2000:161 and Villena/Calero. 2002:23a:42b] Villena also mentions watermelon but I have no reference to cantloupe through the 15th C. except for Columbus taking a variety a America (its a wonder his ships ever made it out of Huelva he took so much food) Actually cantaloupe really seems to take off during the 18th C from Italy. Suey Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:25:39 -0500 From: "Daniel & Elizabeth Phelps" To: "Cooks within the SCA" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Apicius canteloupe dish I've "The Four Seasons of the House of Cerruti" which shows an illustration on page 35 of what is called watermelons from the east (melones indi et palestini). They are described as "large and sweet and yellow." It looks right and is differentiated from an illustration of melons (melones duces) which are oblong, light and dark green stripped length wise and appear to be red fleshed and watermelons (melones insipidi) which dark green and spherical. To complicate things my copy of "The Medieval Health Handbook" shows a round dark green melon labeled, indus or palestinian melons, (melones indi idest palestini). Best I can do. Daniel Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:51:14 -0600 From: "otsisto" To: "Cooks within the SCA" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Apicius cantaloupe dish Cantaloupe is indigenous to India and Africa from there they spread to Egypt, then to Greeks and Romans. Cantaloupe is believed to have been introduced to NA in 1494, Columbus' second voyage. The question is the variety. I have come to understand but no docs. that the warty rind cantaloupe was first and the netted rind which we are familiar with came about in the 1200s Persia. Allegedly a hybrid of the warty with a squash. Cucumis melo var. reticulus (netted)used mainly in NA Cucumis melo var. cantalupensis (ribbed) used mainly in Europe and Asia. Some cantaloupe varieties http://www.loghouseplants.com/lists/veglistbnveg.html De Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:04:49 -0600 From: "otsisto" To: "Cooks within the SCA" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Apicius canteloupe dish There is the casaba (or Persian?)and the crenshaw melons that have yellow rinds -----Original Message----- <<< I've "The Four Seasons of the House of Cerruti" which shows an illustration on page 35 of what is called watermelons from the east (melones indi et palestini). They are described as "large and sweet and yellow." It looks right and is differentiated from an illustration of melons (melones duces) which are oblong, light and dark green stripped length wise and appear to be red fleshed and watermelons (melones insipidi) which dark green and spherical. To complicate things my copy of "The Medieval Health Handbook" shows a round dark green melon labeled, indus or palestinian melons, (melones indi idest palestini). Best I can do. Daniel >>> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:37:39 -0500 From: "Daniel & Elizabeth Phelps" To: "Cooks within the SCA" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Apicius canteloupe dish > > They are described as "large and sweet and yellow." > Is the yellow the flesh or the rind? There are yellow flesh watermelons. It has a yellow rind in the picture. Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 21:26:41 +0000 From: Gretchen R Beck To: Cooks within the SCA Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] unsweet melons? << What other kinds of melons are there, than "sweet melons" >>> Bitter melons -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momordica_charantia Although I cannot speak to their history in North Africa or Europe. toodles, margaret Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 17:43:27 -0400 From: Alec Story To: Cooks within the SCA Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] unsweet melons? There's also winter melon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_melon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melon has a pretty good list of melons - it looks like most species of *Cucumis* are sweet? I wonder if that's true of historical cultivars of the same species, or of the wild types, if they still exist. Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:47:19 -0500 From: "Terry Decker" To: "Cooks within the SCA" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] unsweet melons? Melons are found in four genera: Benincasa, Citrullus, Cucumis, and Momordica. Sweet melons are specifically Cucumis melo. All other melons are not "sweet melons" by definition. There are melons that are not very edible and others that are used only in cooking. For further info, you might look at Medieval Emergence of Sweet Melons, Cucumis melo (Cucurbitaceae) http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/110/1/23.short . Bear Edited by Mark S. Harris melons-msg Page 2 of 11