fruits-msg - 2/15/08
਀ഊMedieval fruits and fruit dishes. Recipes.
਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: apples-msg, fruit-quinces-msg. sugar-msg,
਀瘀攀最攀琀愀戀氀攀猀ⴀ洀猀最Ⰰ 洀攀氀漀渀猀ⴀ洀猀最Ⰰ 渀甀琀猀ⴀ洀猀最Ⰰ 瀀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀猀ⴀ洀猀最Ⰰ 挀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀ⴀ洀猀最⸀ഊ
਀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀ഊNOTICE -
਀ഊThis file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I  have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.
਀ഊThis file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org
਀ഊI  have done  a limited amount  of  editing. Messages having to do  with separate topics  were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the  message IDs  were removed to save space and remove clutter.
਀ഊThe comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make  no claims  as  to the accuracy  of  the information  given  by the individual authors.
਀ഊPlease  respect the time  and  efforts of  those who have written  these messages. The  copyright status  of these messages  is  unclear  at this time. If  information  is  published  from  these  messages, please give credit to the originator(s).
਀ഊThank you,
਀    䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀                  䄀䬀䄀㨀  吀䠀䰀漀爀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀 氀椀 刀漀甀猀ഊ                                          Stefan at florilegium.org
਀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 昀爀甀椀琀猀㼀ഊDate: 6 Dec 1993 21:30:37 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀䴀椀欀攀 䌀愀洀瀀戀攀氀氀 㰀洀椀欀攀 愀琀 愀氀漀礀猀椀甀猀⸀攀焀甀椀渀漀砀⸀最攀渀⸀渀稀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>Can anyone tell me what fruits were in "common" consumption in Western 
਀㸀䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 搀甀爀椀渀最 漀甀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀ഊ
਀䄀瀀瀀氀攀猀Ⰰ 焀甀椀渀挀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀攀愀爀猀⸀ഊPlums of various kinds.
਀䴀攀搀氀愀爀猀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 愀爀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 焀甀椀渀挀攀 昀愀洀椀氀礀 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀㬀 氀椀欀攀 瀀攀爀猀椀洀洀漀渀猀ഊ	they must be practically rotten before they are ripe).
਀䈀攀爀爀椀攀猀㨀 戀氀甀攀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀 ⠀挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀戀椀氀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀∀ 漀爀 ∀眀栀漀爀琀氀攀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀∀⤀Ⰰഊ	blackberries (called "brambles"), strawberries, and--so
਀ऀ䤀✀洀 琀漀氀搀ⴀⴀ挀爀愀渀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 琀栀攀ഊ	same as the New World kind.
਀䜀爀愀瀀攀猀 ⠀猀攀攀搀攀搀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀⤀⸀ഊIn the south and around the Mediterranean: apricots, figs, dates,
਀ऀ洀攀氀漀渀猀Ⰰ 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀䄀渀搀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 洀漀爀攀⸀ഊ
਀䈀甀琀 渀漀 戀愀渀愀渀愀猀 漀爀 瀀椀渀攀愀瀀瀀氀攀 甀渀氀攀猀猀 礀漀甀 最攀琀 琀漀 䄀昀爀椀挀愀⸀ഊ
਀䄀渀搀 䤀✀洀 猀漀爀爀礀 ⴀⴀ 渀漀 䬀椀眀椀 昀爀甀椀琀⸀  㬀⤀ഊ
਀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 漀昀 䌀愀攀爀ⴀ䴀礀爀搀搀椀渀ऀऀ䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀ഊMists/Mists/West			UC Berkeley
਀䄀爀最攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀 挀爀漀猀猀 昀漀爀洀攀✀攀 猀愀戀氀攀ऀऀ搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: DDF2 at cornell.edu (David Friedman)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Period fruits?
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㜀 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ 　㐀㨀㐀㜀㨀㌀㌀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Cornell Law School
਀ഊMike Campbell <mike at aloysius.equinox.gen.nz> asks about period fruit, and
਀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 愀渀猀眀攀爀猀㨀ഊ
਀㸀 䄀瀀瀀氀攀猀Ⰰ 焀甀椀渀挀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀攀愀爀猀⸀ഊ> Plums of various kinds.
਀㸀 䴀攀搀氀愀爀猀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 愀爀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 焀甀椀渀挀攀 昀愀洀椀氀礀 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀㬀 氀椀欀攀 瀀攀爀猀椀洀洀漀渀猀ഊ> 	they must be practically rotten before they are ripe).
਀㸀 䈀攀爀爀椀攀猀㨀 戀氀甀攀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀 ⠀挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀戀椀氀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀∀ 漀爀 ∀眀栀漀爀琀氀攀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀∀⤀ⰀഊI believe the old world bilberry is a member of the same genus as the new
਀眀漀爀氀搀 戀氀甀攀戀攀爀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 猀洀愀氀氀攀爀⸀ഊ> 	blackberries (called "brambles"), strawberries, and--so
਀㸀 ऀ䤀✀洀 琀漀氀搀ⴀⴀ挀爀愀渀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 琀栀攀ഊ> 	same as the New World kind.
਀ഊThe current commercial cranberries are New World varieties, but both Old
਀圀漀爀氀搀 愀渀搀 一攀眀 圀漀爀氀搀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀 攀砀椀猀琀⸀ഊ
਀㸀 䜀爀愀瀀攀猀 ⠀猀攀攀搀攀搀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀⤀⸀ഊ> In the south and around the Mediterranean: apricots, figs, dates,
਀㸀 ऀ洀攀氀漀渀猀Ⰰ 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀一漀琀 漀渀氀礀 愀爀攀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀 愀爀攀 猀琀椀氀氀 最爀漀眀渀⸀ 䤀渀ഊparticular, Rameau d'ete, aka Summer Rambo, is often available in the
਀倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 愀爀攀愀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 漀昀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀ 吀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 漀爀ഊnear period fruit varieties is from an article in _The Miscellany_ (also
਀吀⸀䤀⸀⤀⸀ഊ
਀倀爀攀 ㄀㘀㔀　 䘀爀甀椀琀猀ഊ
਀             䄀瀀瀀氀攀猀ऀऀ                ഊCalville Blanc D'Hiver (1627)	          
਀䌀漀甀爀琀 倀攀渀搀甀 倀氀愀琀 ⠀㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀ⴀ瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 刀漀洀愀渀⤀ഊDevonshire Quarendon (1690)	
਀䐀爀愀瀀 搀✀伀爀 ⠀㴀䌀漀攀✀猀 䜀漀氀搀攀渀 䐀爀漀瀀㼀⤀ऀഊLady Apple (1628)
਀伀氀搀 一漀渀瀀愀爀攀椀氀ऀഊPomme Royale	
਀刀攀椀渀攀琀琀攀 䘀爀愀渀挀栀攀ऀഊRoxbury Russett (Early 17th century)	
਀匀挀愀爀氀攀琀 䌀爀漀昀琀漀渀ऀ  ഊSops of Wine	   
਀匀甀洀洀攀爀 刀愀洀戀漀 ⠀㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⤀ഊWinter Pearmain	
਀䘀攀渀漀甀椀氀攀琀琀攀 䜀爀椀猀ऀഊGolden Reinette	
਀ഊ         Peach
਀䜀爀漀猀猀攀 䴀椀最渀漀渀渀攀 ⠀㄀㘀㘀㜀⤀ഊ
਀       一攀挀琀愀爀椀渀攀ഊEarly Violet (1659)
਀ഊ        Pears
਀䈀甀攀爀爀攀 䜀爀椀猀 ⠀㄀㘀　㠀⤀ഊRousselet de Reims (1688)
਀䈀愀爀琀氀攀琀琀 ⠀圀椀氀氀椀愀洀猀 䈀漀渀 䌀栀爀攀琀椀攀渀⤀  ∀漀昀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 漀爀椀最椀渀∀ⴀ洀愀礀 漀爀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 戀攀ഊpre-1600.
਀ഊ       Plums
਀䜀爀攀攀渀 䜀愀最攀 ⠀刀攀椀渀攀 䌀氀愀甀搀攀⤀ഊPrune d'Agen
਀ഊDates represent the earliest date at which there is evidence the variety
਀攀砀椀猀琀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 猀攀攀 琀栀攀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀⸀ഊ-- 
਀䐀愀瘀椀搀⼀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊDDF2 at Cornell.Edu
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਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 唀搀甀椀搀漀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊDate: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:13:38 -0400 (EDT)
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 嘀攀最攀琀愀爀椀愀渀 搀椀猀栀攀猀ഊ
਀嘀攀最攀琀愀爀椀愀渀 刀攀挀椀瀀攀 ㄀ഊFrom "A Trewe Boke of Cokery, Vol.1, Vegertarian Recipts", pg. 1 by Lord Ras
਀愀氀 娀椀戀ഊ
਀䘀刀䔀匀䠀 䐀䄀吀䔀匀 一伀吀 䤀一 匀䔀䄀匀伀一ഊ
਀㄀ 䰀戀 䐀愀琀攀猀Ⰰ 搀爀椀攀搀ഊ1 Lg Watermelon
਀ഊCut a hole in the top of the melon large enough for your hand to fit through.
਀匀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 挀甀琀 漀甀琀 瀀椀攀挀攀⸀ 䰀攀愀瘀椀渀最 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 樀甀椀挀攀猀 椀渀猀椀搀攀Ⰰ 猀焀甀攀攀稀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀ഊpulp from the watermelon. Put the dates inside the watermelon. Replace the
਀挀甀琀 漀甀琀 瀀椀攀挀攀⸀ 䰀攀愀瘀攀 椀渀 愀 挀漀漀氀 瀀氀愀挀攀 昀漀爀 ㈀㐀 栀漀甀爀猀⸀ 吀愀欀攀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀 搀愀琀攀猀 愀渀搀ഊdrain. They will be as fresh as if just picked. (Editor's note (Lord Ras)>
਀一漀琀 焀甀椀琀攀℀ 䈀甀琀 猀琀椀氀氀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀愀猀琀礀⸀ 䐀爀椀攀搀 愀瀀爀椀挀漀琀猀Ⰰ 昀椀最猀Ⰰ 瀀爀甀渀攀猀 愀渀搀⼀漀爀ഊraisons also work well with this technique although the original recipe
਀猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀攀猀 搀愀琀攀猀⸀⤀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀 ∀吀栀攀 䈀愀最栀搀愀搀 䌀漀漀欀攀爀礀 䈀漀漀欀Ⰰ ㄀㈀㈀㘀 挀⸀攀⸀Ⰰ 挀漀洀瀀椀氀攀搀 戀礀 䐀甀欀攀 䌀漀爀椀愀搀漀挀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊBow; redacted and adapted to the Current Middle Ages by Lord Ras al Zib.
਀ഊLord Ras
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਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䴀愀甀爀攀攀渀 匀⸀ 伀✀䈀爀椀攀渀∀ 㰀洀漀戀爀椀攀渀 愀琀 搀渀愀挀漀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䠀愀最最椀猀 ⠀眀愀猀㨀 琀愀爀琀愀渀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最⸀⸀⸀ഊDate: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:06:48 -0700
਀ഊctas_dan at ACM.ORG wrote:
਀㸀夀漀甀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 戀攀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 爀椀挀栀 氀漀爀搀 琀漀 愀昀昀漀爀搀 瘀攀最攀琀愀戀氀攀猀 氀攀琀 愀氀漀渀攀 ഊ>fruit in winter.
਀ഊVery true.  In fact, the word for fruits and vegetables in Irish 
਀琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀猀 愀猀 ∀猀甀洀洀攀爀 昀漀漀搀∀⸀  䜀爀愀渀琀攀搀Ⰰ 爀漀漀琀 瘀攀最攀琀愀戀氀攀猀 猀琀漀爀攀 眀攀氀氀ഊand so do apples, but how long would they hold out?  The Irish diet
਀椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀 眀愀猀 洀愀椀渀氀礀 洀攀愀琀Ⰰ 搀愀椀爀礀 愀渀搀 戀爀攀愀搀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 愀 昀攀眀 攀最最猀 愀渀搀ഊsuch thrown in; the Scottish diet would no doubt be similar, even for
਀琀栀攀 爀椀挀栀⸀ഊ
਀䴀愀甀爀攀攀渀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 氀椀欀攀猀 愀氀氀 漀爀最愀渀 洀攀愀琀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀 氀椀瘀攀爀 昀爀漀洀 渀漀渀ⴀ昀漀眀氀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀愀猀ഊraised to try weird things and clean her plate.
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਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 倀栀椀氀椀瀀 䔀 䌀甀琀漀渀攀 㰀昀氀椀瀀⬀ 愀琀 愀渀搀爀攀眀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊDate: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:27:43 -0400 (EDT)
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䄀渀 䤀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 愀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 搀漀洀攀猀琀爀漀椀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 眀愀礀猀 昀爀甀椀琀猀 愀爀攀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀⼀挀漀漀欀攀搀⸀ഊ
਀䤀琀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 䨀攀氀氀椀攀猀 洀愀礀 戀攀 最椀瘀攀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀攀爀瘀攀渀琀猀 漀渀 猀甀渀搀愀礀猀⸀ ⠀㔀㄀⤀ഊ
਀瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀攀愀爀猀Ⰰ 挀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀攀爀爀椀攀猀 椀渀 戀爀椀渀攀 ⠀㘀㌀⤀ഊ
਀⠀㘀㘀⤀椀琀 琀愀氀欀猀 愀氀猀漀 漀昀 眀愀琀攀爀洀攀氀漀渀猀Ⰰ 洀攀氀漀渀猀Ⰰ 䬀甀稀洀椀渀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀 ⠀猀攀攀洀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀ഊorigin of candied apples, pour honey  syrup over whole apples),
਀焀甀椀渀挀攀猀 愀渀搀 愀瀀瀀氀猀 ⠀昀攀爀洀攀渀琀攀搀 椀渀 愀 戀甀挀欀攀琀 眀椀琀栀 栀漀渀攀礀 猀礀爀甀瀀⤀Ⰰ 䴀漀稀栀愀椀猀欀ഊcream (not mashed. soak apples and pears in a blended syrup, without
਀眀愀琀攀爀⸀ ⠀渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 洀攀愀渀⤀⤀ ഊ
਀戀攀爀爀礀 挀愀渀搀礀 ⠀㘀㘀⤀⠀戀椀氀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 爀愀猀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀Ⰰ 猀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀Ⰰഊcranberries, "or any other kind of berry". here is a quick rundown of
਀琀栀攀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀㨀ഊ	Boil and strain through a fine sieve add honey and then steam
਀ऀ琀栀攀 洀椀砀琀甀爀攀 琀椀氀氀 嘀䔀刀夀 琀栀椀挀欀Ⰰ 猀琀椀爀椀渀最 猀漀 愀猀 渀漀琀 琀漀 戀甀爀渀⸀ 瀀漀甀爀ഊ	onto a board. smear the board repeatedly with honey. as
਀ऀ洀椀砀琀甀爀攀 猀攀琀猀Ⰰ 愀搀搀 愀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀椀爀搀 氀愀礀攀爀 愀渀搀 琀眀椀爀氀 椀琀 愀爀漀甀渀搀ഊ	a tube. dry it opposite the stove.
਀洀礀 焀甀椀挀欀 椀渀琀攀爀瀀爀攀琀愀琀椀漀渀㨀ഊ	cook the berries (use minimal water, or reserve the juice for
਀ऀ洀攀愀搀⼀搀爀椀渀欀椀渀最 氀愀琀攀爀⤀ 倀甀爀攀攀 琀栀攀洀 愀渀搀 猀琀爀愀椀渀 琀漀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀ഊ	seeds.(opt) add honey to your taste.  simmer on very low heat
਀ऀ琀椀氀氀 琀栀椀挀欀⸀ 琀栀攀渀 瀀漀甀爀 漀渀琀漀 愀 栀漀渀攀礀攀搀 洀愀爀戀氀攀 瀀愀猀琀爀礀 戀漀愀爀搀⸀ ഊ	let dry a bit (perhaps in oven, not sure if this is good for
਀ऀ洀愀爀戀氀攀⤀ 琀栀攀渀 愀搀搀 愀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀椀爀搀 氀愀礀攀爀Ⰰ 氀攀琀琀椀渀最 猀攀琀 甀瀀 猀漀洀攀ഊ	between layers.  dry in oven on lowest setting. cut as is or
਀ऀ爀漀氀氀 椀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 挀甀琀 椀琀⸀ 搀椀攀 漀昀 猀甀最愀爀 猀栀漀挀欀⸀ഊ
਀愀瀀瀀氀攀 挀愀渀搀礀⠀㘀㘀⤀㨀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 愀猀 戀攀爀爀礀 挀愀渀搀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 戀攀 氀攀昀琀ഊ	"softer" (don't dry out in oven)
਀ഊthe parenthesized numbers are chapters, for the interested.
਀ഊplease note this was from a very quick browse through.... and typed
਀爀愀琀栀攀爀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀⸀⸀ ഊ
਀䈀吀圀 椀琀 愀氀猀漀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 瀀攀愀爀猀 愀渀搀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀 洀愀礀 戀攀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 椀渀 猀礀爀甀瀀ഊor kvass. (45) 
਀ഊIn Service to never letting the kvass thread die :)
਀䘀椀氀椀瀀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀愀爀挀栀攀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 　㌀㨀㄀　㨀㈀㔀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊSubject: Re: SC - Roasted apples!
਀ഊJessica Tiffin wrote:
਀㸀 䤀✀瘀攀 樀甀猀琀 琀爀愀挀欀攀搀 搀漀眀渀 愀渀搀 搀攀瘀漀甀爀攀搀 愀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䜀漀漀搀洀愀渀 漀昀 倀愀爀椀猀ഊ> (wonderful stuff).  He refers to "roasted apples" in many of his
਀㸀 昀攀愀猀琀 洀攀渀甀猀⸀  䤀✀洀 愀猀猀甀洀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 戀愀欀攀搀ഊ> apple - would anyone know precisely how they were cooked in period?
਀㸀 椀⸀攀⸀ 挀漀爀攀搀 愀渀搀 猀琀甀昀昀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 渀甀琀猀㼀  爀愀椀猀椀渀猀㼀  猀甀最愀爀㼀  椀渀 愀 猀礀爀甀瀀㼀  䤀ഊ> can obviously play around with period ingredients, but I'd really
਀㸀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀⸀ഊ
਀䤀✀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 最漀 戀愀挀欀 愀渀搀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 䰀攀 䴀攀渀愀最椀攀爀 ⠀䤀 栀愀搀渀✀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀攀搀 琀栀攀ഊrecurring theme of roasted apples), but various late and just-post
਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 戀攀瘀攀爀愀最攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 挀愀氀氀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 ∀瀀愀瀀 漀昀 爀漀愀猀琀攀搀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀∀ 琀漀 戀攀ഊincluded. The impression those recipes give is that they are roasted in
਀琀栀攀 愀猀栀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 栀攀愀爀琀栀 氀椀欀攀 攀最最猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 洀攀琀栀漀搀 眀漀爀欀猀 戀攀猀琀 眀椀琀栀ഊstored apples that have become just a bit starchy: they pop open when
਀琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 搀漀渀攀⸀ഊ
਀䤀✀洀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 洀攀洀漀爀礀 栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 猀漀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀椀猀 昀漀爀 眀栀愀琀 椀琀✀猀 眀漀爀琀栀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: zarlor at acm.org (Lenny Zimmermann)
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ 　㌀ 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀㜀㨀㐀㈀㨀㈀㠀 䜀䴀吀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Mediterranean Feast
਀ഊWhile not as "Mediterranean" in style as Greece or Turkey, there are
਀愀渀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀愀氀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 猀愀氀愀搀猀 愀渀搀 昀爀甀椀琀⼀瘀攀最最椀攀 搀椀猀栀攀猀 氀椀猀琀椀渀最 椀渀ഊ"The Fruit, Herbs & Vegetables of Italy. An offering to Lucy, Countess
਀漀昀 䈀攀搀昀漀爀搀∀Ⰰ 戀礀 䜀椀愀挀漀洀漀 䌀愀猀琀攀氀瘀攀琀爀漀⸀ 吀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 椀猀 椀渀 䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀 愀渀搀ഊwritten in 1614 (just a hair post period). I tend to have the greatest
਀椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀 椀渀 䰀愀琀攀 刀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀 䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀 挀甀椀猀椀渀攀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀椀猀 愀渀搀 倀氀愀琀椀渀愀 愀爀攀ഊmy current bibles. ;-) The copy I have is put out by Viking Press,
਀眀椀琀栀 䤀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 吀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀 戀礀 䜀椀氀氀椀愀渀 刀椀氀攀礀 ⠀挀⤀ ㄀㤀㠀㤀 愀渀搀ഊForeword by Jane Grigson. ISBN 0-670-82724X. I am not sure if this
਀戀漀漀欀 椀猀 攀瘀攀渀 椀渀 瀀爀椀渀琀 愀渀礀 氀漀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䄀洀愀稀漀渀⸀䌀漀洀 眀愀猀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 挀漀洀攀 甀瀀ഊwith a copy for me.
਀ഊThe listings are
਀戀礀 猀攀愀猀漀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀Ⰰ 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 戀礀 昀爀甀椀琀⼀栀攀爀戀⼀瘀攀最最椀攀⸀ 伀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀渀攀 漀昀 洀礀ഊfavorites is the listing under Sweet Fennel (it has a seed that tastes
਀氀椀欀攀 氀椀挀漀爀椀挀攀⤀㨀 ∀䘀攀渀渀攀氀 匀攀攀搀猀 愀爀攀 最愀琀栀攀爀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀甀洀渀⸀ 圀攀 昀氀愀瘀漀甀爀ഊvarious dishes with them, and eat them on their own after meals." So
਀渀漀眀 䤀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 搀椀猀栀 眀椀琀栀 䘀攀渀渀攀氀 匀攀攀搀猀 琀漀 ∀猀眀攀攀琀攀渀 琀栀攀ഊbreath" after a feast. It just seems like such a nice little touch.
਀ഊHonos Servio,
਀䰀椀漀渀愀爀搀漀 䄀挀焀甀椀猀琀愀瀀愀挀攀Ⰰ 䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 䈀樀漀爀渀猀戀漀爀最Ⰰ 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀ഊ(mka Lenny Zimmermann, San Antonio, TX)
਀稀愀爀氀漀爀 愀琀 愀挀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ
਀ഊFrom: Gretchen M Beck <grm+ at andrew.cmu.edu>
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ  㘀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㄀　㨀㌀㔀㨀㐀㔀 ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Period Recipes
਀ഊExcerpts from internet.listserv.sca-cooks: 5-Jun-97 Re: SC - Period
਀刀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 戀礀 爀攀戀攀挀挀愀 琀愀渀琀猀 愀琀 猀攀爀瘀琀攀挀栀⸀挀 ഊ> Just a thought - I can't imagine there not being something like this
਀㸀 猀漀洀攀眀栀攀爀攀 椀渀 愀氀氀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最⸀  䄀氀甀洀椀渀甀洀 昀漀椀氀 椀猀 漀甀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀栀愀琀ഊ> else might have been used.  (My mind went straight to mexican and 
਀㸀 愀洀攀爀椀挀愀渀 椀渀搀椀愀渀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 椀渀 挀漀爀渀 栀甀猀欀猀 愀渀搀 洀攀搀椀琀攀爀爀愀渀椀愀渀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 椀渀ഊ> grape leaves, btu I'm at a consulting job in another state and won't
਀㸀 猀攀攀 洀礀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀猀 愀最愀椀渀 甀渀琀椀氀 愀琀 䰀䔀䄀匀吀 匀甀渀搀愀礀⸀⸀⸀⤀ഊ
਀䤀渀 琀栀攀 䘀爀甀椀琀Ⰰ 䠀攀爀戀猀 愀渀搀 嘀攀最攀琀愀戀氀攀猀 漀昀 䤀琀愀氀礀Ⰰ 䌀愀猀琀攀氀瘀攀琀爀漀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀ഊroasting peaches in the coals wrapped in damp paper--"Some people eat
਀瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀 挀漀漀欀攀搀Ⰰ 眀爀愀瀀瀀攀搀 椀渀 搀愀洀瀀 瀀愀瀀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀漀愀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀猀栀攀猀ⴀⴀ吀栀攀猀攀ഊreally are very nice".
਀ഊtoodles, margaret 
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 　㤀㨀㐀㌀㨀㈀㤀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䘀爀甀椀琀 愀渀搀 圀椀渀攀 搀椀猀栀攀猀 ⴀ 眀愀猀 爀攀㨀 刀䔀䌀䤀倀䔀 䌀䠀䄀䰀䰀䔀一䜀䔀 䤀䤀ഊ
਀䈀愀爀漀渀 吀椀戀漀爀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ
਀㸀 䴀攀洀漀爀礀 琀椀挀欀氀攀猀 愀琀 洀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀 猀琀攀眀攀搀 瀀爀甀渀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀搀 眀椀渀攀 搀攀猀猀攀爀琀 眀椀琀栀 挀愀爀眀愀礀ഊ> seeds, that is period and YUMMY.... I cannot remember the source offhand.
਀㸀 ⠀倀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 琀栀攀 攀渀挀礀氀漀瀀攀搀椀愀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀 眀椀氀氀⸀⸀⸀  䤀 最漀琀琀愀 最攀琀 洀礀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀ഊ> OUT of the attic and back IN the kitchen!)
਀㸀 ഊ> What other "wine and fruit" recipes are there?  This is a wonderful
਀㸀 挀漀洀戀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 爀攀挀愀氀氀 琀栀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 搀椀猀栀 礀漀甀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀Ⰰഊbut I'd be willing to bet it's caraway confits as a garnish. Dishes of
਀昀椀最猀 猀琀攀眀攀搀 椀渀 眀椀渀攀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 愀戀漀甀琀⸀ 䄀氀猀漀 愀 瀀漀琀琀愀最攀 漀昀 䈀甀氀氀愀挀攀 瀀氀甀洀猀 愀渀搀ഊwine, which I can't seem to find anywhere but know exists in some source
਀漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀⸀ 䄀猀 甀猀甀愀氀Ⰰ 䤀 眀愀猀 樀甀猀琀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 愀琀 椀琀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 搀愀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀ഊI actually need it, it's gone...
਀ഊAdamantius
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ 㔀 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 　㠀㨀　㐀㨀㐀㔀 ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Stephen Bloch <sbloch at adl15.adelphi.edu>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀攀㨀 䄀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 ⸀ ⸀ ⸀⸀ഊ
਀㸀 ㌀⤀ 圀栀愀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 猀甀戀猀椀琀甀琀椀漀渀猀㼀   䤀 愀洀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀猀琀 漀昀 最愀琀栀攀爀椀渀最 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀漀爀 愀ഊ> killer menu for Crown Tourney this next weekend,  and I was thinking about
਀㸀 琀栀攀 ∀匀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀礀攀∀ 戀甀琀 甀猀椀渀最 挀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 䬀椀爀猀挀栀眀愀猀猀攀爀 椀渀猀琀攀愀搀 ⠀✀挀漀稀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀ഊ> cherries) 
਀ഊI can't speak for the Kirschwasser, but there are surviving recipes for
਀挀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀⸀  䤀渀 昀愀挀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 ∀匀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀礀攀∀ 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 礀漀甀✀爀攀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 漀昀Ⰰഊpresumably the one from Harleian ms. 279, is followed IMMEDIATELY in the
਀洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀 戀礀 漀渀攀 昀漀爀 挀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀⸀  匀漀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 愀搀愀瀀琀椀渀最 ∀匀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀礀攀∀ 琀漀ഊcherries myself, I would use the 15th-century recipe whose author thought
਀椀琀 眀愀猀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 瀀愀最攀⸀ഊ
਀匀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀礀攀㨀 吀愀欀攀 匀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀礀猀Ⰰ ☀ 眀愀礀猀猀栀攀 栀攀洀 椀渀 琀礀洀攀 漀昀 ㌀攀爀攀 椀渀 最漀搀攀 爀攀搀ഊwyne; [th]an strayne [th]orwe a clo[th]e, & do hem in a potte with gode
਀䄀氀洀愀甀渀搀攀 洀礀氀欀攀Ⰰ 愀ⴀ氀愀礀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 䄀洀礀渀搀漀甀渀 漀嬀琀栀崀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 嬀琀栀崀攀 昀氀漀眀爀攀 漀昀 刀礀猀Ⰰഊ& make it chargeaunt and lat it boyle, and do [th]er-in Roysonys of
਀挀漀爀愀甀渀挀攀Ⰰ 匀愀昀爀漀甀渀Ⰰ 倀攀瀀椀爀Ⰰ 匀甀最爀攀 最爀攀琀攀 瀀氀攀渀琀攀Ⰰ 瀀漀甀搀攀爀 䜀礀渀最攀爀攀Ⰰ 䌀愀渀攀氀ⰀഊGalyngale; poynte it with Vynegre, & a lytil whyte grece put [th]er-to;
਀挀漀氀漀甀爀攀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 䄀氀欀攀渀愀搀攀Ⰰ ☀ 搀爀漀瀀瀀攀 椀琀 愀ⴀ戀漀眀琀攀Ⰰ 瀀氀愀渀琀攀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 嬀琀栀崀攀ഊgraynys of Pome-garnad, & [th]an serue it forth.
਀ഊChyryoun: Take Chyryis, & pike out [th]e stonys, waysshe hem clene in
਀眀礀渀攀Ⰰ 嬀琀栀崀愀渀 眀爀礀渀最 栀攀洀 嬀琀栀崀漀爀眀 愀 挀氀漀嬀琀栀崀攀Ⰰ ☀ 搀漀 椀琀 漀渀 愀 瀀漀琀琀攀Ⰰ ☀ 搀漀ഊ[th]er-to whyte grece a quantyte, & a partye of Floure of Rys, & make it
਀挀栀愀爀最攀愀甀渀琀㬀 搀漀 嬀琀栀崀攀爀ⴀ琀漀 栀眀礀琀攀 䠀漀渀礀 漀爀 匀甀最爀攀Ⰰ 瀀漀礀渀琀攀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 嘀攀渀攀最爀攀㬀ഊA-force it with stronge pouder of Canelle & of Galyngale, & a-lye it
਀眀椀琀栀 愀 最爀攀琀攀 瀀漀爀挀礀漀甀渀 漀昀 ㌀漀氀欀礀猀 漀昀 䔀礀爀漀甀渀㬀 挀漀氀漀甀爀攀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 匀愀昀爀漀甀渀 漀爀ഊSaunderys; & whan [th]ou seruyste in, plante it with Chyrioun, & serue
਀昀嬀漀爀琀栀崀⸀ഊ
਀一漀琀椀挀攀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀㨀ഊ1) the cherry recipe doesn't call for almond milk, currants, pepper, or
਀最椀渀最攀爀㬀 洀愀礀戀攀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀 愀渀搀⼀漀爀 栀椀猀 瀀愀琀爀漀渀 昀攀氀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀猀攀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀猀 眀攀渀琀ഊwell with strawberries but not with cherries.
਀㈀⤀ 琀栀攀 挀栀攀爀爀礀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀Ⰰ 愀昀琀攀爀 戀攀椀渀最 琀栀椀挀欀攀渀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 爀椀挀攀 昀氀漀甀爀Ⰰ 椀猀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀ഊthickened with "a grete porcyoun" of eggyolks.  I don't know why the
਀愀甀琀栀漀爀 挀栀漀猀攀 琀漀 搀漀 琀栀椀猀 眀椀琀栀 挀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 眀椀琀栀 猀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀ഊlacking evidence to the contrary, I'd follow his lead.
਀㌀⤀ 琀栀攀 猀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀爀礀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 椀猀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 瀀甀爀瀀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀氀欀攀渀愀搀攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀ഊcherry recipe is colored yellow with saffron or red with sandalwood.
਀㐀⤀ 琀栀攀 猀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀爀礀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 椀猀 最愀爀渀椀猀栀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 瀀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀 猀攀攀搀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀栀攀爀爀礀ഊrecipe with whole cherries.
਀ഊI would start by following the cherry recipe as closely as possible,
਀甀猀椀渀最 愀 欀渀漀眀渀ⴀ琀愀猀琀礀 爀攀搀愀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 ∀匀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀礀攀∀ 琀漀 最攀琀 愀 昀椀爀猀琀ഊapproximation of the quantities.  If I had time (which you don't between
਀渀漀眀 愀渀搀 渀攀砀琀 眀攀攀欀攀渀搀⤀Ⰰ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀洀攀渀琀 眀椀琀栀 攀愀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀ഊdifferences and try to figure out why they are there.
਀ഊ					mar-Joshua ibn-Eleazar ha-Shalib
਀                                                 匀琀攀瀀栀攀渀 䈀氀漀挀栀ഊ                                           sbloch at panther.adelphi.edu
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 　㠀㨀㔀㔀㨀　㜀 ⴀ　㘀　　ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䄀 戀椀琀 戀氀愀渀搀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀倀攀愀挀栀攀猀 ⠀倀爀甀渀椀猀 瀀攀爀猀椀挀愀⤀ 眀攀爀攀 戀攀椀渀最 挀甀氀琀椀瘀愀琀攀搀 椀渀 䌀栀椀渀愀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 㔀　　 䈀⸀䌀⸀ഊThey were traded into the Middle East after Jang Qian's diplomatic
਀洀椀猀猀椀漀渀 ⠀琀漀 昀椀渀搀 愀氀氀椀攀猀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 琀栀攀 䠀甀渀猀⤀ 椀渀琀漀 䌀攀渀琀爀愀氀 䄀猀椀愀 椀渀 ㄀㐀　 䈀⸀䌀⸀ഊIn 65 B.C., Pompey had peaches transplanted to Rome from Persia.
਀䄀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀Ⰰ 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀 猀瀀爀攀愀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 刀漀洀愀渀 愀搀瘀愀渀挀攀 琀漀 攀瘀攀爀礀眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀礀ഊcould be grown in Europe.
਀ഊIn 1513 C.E., the Spanish planted peaches in Florida and in 1618 C.E.,
਀䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 最愀爀搀攀渀攀爀猀 眀攀爀攀 眀愀爀渀攀搀 渀漀琀 琀漀 瀀爀甀渀攀 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀✀猀 挀漀氀搀ഊclimate.
਀ഊSo, I would say peaches were available and eaten in much of Europe
਀搀甀爀椀渀最 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊ
਀䈀攀愀爀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:38:32 -0800
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀愀瘀椀搀 昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀 㰀搀搀昀爀 愀琀 戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: SC - jam (was: A bit bland...)
਀ഊBogdan asked about a topping for a late period almond tart; someone
਀猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 瀀攀愀挀栀 樀愀洀 愀渀搀 䌀栀愀爀氀攀猀 䴀挀䌀愀琀栀椀攀一攀瘀椀氀攀 愀渀猀眀攀爀攀搀㨀ഊ
਀㸀倀攀愀挀栀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 昀漀爀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀⸀ 䈀甀琀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 琀栀攀礀ഊ>prepared/preserved them. I would imagine that something like jam was
਀㸀搀漀渀攀⸀ 䠀愀猀 愀渀礀戀漀搀礀 挀栀攀挀欀攀搀 琀栀攀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀㼀ഊ>Charles
਀ഊAccording to _Food and Drink in Britain_ by C. Anne Wilson (very
਀欀渀漀眀氀攀最愀戀氀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀氀椀愀戀氀攀⤀Ⰰ 洀愀爀洀攀氀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀攀渀猀攀 漀昀 愀 猀琀椀昀昀 瀀愀猀琀攀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀ഊhave been invented late in our period and "Sometimes soft fruits were
਀猀椀洀瀀氀礀 戀爀甀椀猀攀搀 愀渀搀 戀漀椀氀攀搀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀 椀渀 猀甀最愀爀 猀礀爀甀瀀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 愀渀礀 猀椀攀瘀椀渀最 漀爀ഊstraining, and the resultant sweet compressed mass became vulgarly known as
਀∀樀愀洀∀⸀  吀栀攀 眀漀爀搀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 爀攀愀挀栀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀渀琀攀搀 挀漀漀欀攀爀礀 戀漀漀欀猀 甀渀琀椀氀 ㄀㜀㄀㠀Ⰰ 戀甀琀ഊthereafter both the name and the method of preparation became common..."
਀ഊSo it is not clear if anyone would have been making jam by the end of our
਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ⠀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 愀氀洀漀渀搀 琀愀爀琀 琀栀椀猀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 椀猀 氀愀琀攀ഊperiod).  I think the reason jam got invented so late was that earlier
਀猀甀最愀爀 眀愀猀 愀渀 攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀Ⰰ 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 猀瀀椀挀攀ⴀ琀礀瀀攀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀椀攀猀 漀渀氀礀 戀礀ഊupper-class people; even for them, using it in the mass quantities
਀渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀 昀漀爀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀椀渀最 昀爀甀椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀愀氀 漀瀀琀椀漀渀⸀  䈀礀ഊElizabethan and Stuart times a lot more sugar was being imported, and it
਀眀愀猀 戀攀椀渀最 甀猀攀搀 愀 氀漀琀 洀漀爀攀 愀渀搀 洀漀瘀椀渀最 搀漀眀渀 琀栀攀 猀漀挀椀愀氀 猀挀愀氀攀⸀ഊ
਀䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀⼀䈀攀琀琀礀 䌀漀漀欀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:16:30 EST
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀攀氀挀㈀渀攀眀琀漀渀 愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 倀 一攀眀琀漀渀⤀ഊSubject: Re: SC - peaches
਀ഊAccording to Teresa McLean, in _Medieval English Gardens_ quotes a list
਀漀昀 昀爀甀椀琀 琀爀攀攀猀 最爀漀眀渀㨀 ∀吀栀攀 吀漀眀攀爀 漀昀 䰀漀渀搀漀渀 眀攀爀攀 瀀氀愀渀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 爀漀礀愀氀ഊgrdener in 1275 with:
਀       ✀㄀　　 挀栀攀爀爀礀 琀爀攀攀猀Ⰰ 挀漀猀琀椀渀最 ㄀猀⸀㘀搀⸀Ⰰഊ        500 osier willows, costing 4s.6d.,
਀          㐀 焀甀椀渀挀攀 琀爀攀攀猀Ⰰ 挀漀猀琀椀渀最 ㈀猀⸀Ⰰഊ          2 peach trees, costing 1s.,
਀            最漀漀猀攀戀攀爀爀礀 戀甀猀栀攀猀Ⰰ 挀漀猀琀椀渀最 ㌀搀⸀Ⰰഊ          a quart of lily bulbs, costing 1s.,
਀          愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀愀挀栀 琀爀攀攀Ⰰ 挀漀猀琀椀渀最 㘀搀⸀Ⰰ✀ഊshe goes on to mention that"they were as expensive as quinces, and much
਀栀愀爀搀攀爀 琀漀 挀甀氀琀椀瘀愀琀攀 猀甀挀挀攀猀猀昀甀氀氀礀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 焀甀椀琀攀 昀爀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀ഊin Literature from the thirteenth century on, usually classed with the
਀攀砀漀琀椀挀 昀爀甀椀琀猀∀ 䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ䜀漀搀昀爀攀礀✀猀 ㄀㔀琀栀 䌀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 䐀攀 䄀最爀椀挀甀氀琀甀爀愀 愀搀瘀椀猀攀搀ഊsprinkling their peach trees with goat's milk in order to get
਀瀀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀洀 ⠀吀愀欀攀 琀栀愀琀 昀漀爀 眀栀愀琀 椀琀✀猀 眀漀爀琀栀℀⤀ 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 䬀椀渀最ഊJohn hastened his death by indulging in 'a surfiet of peaches and ale' It
਀猀攀攀洀猀 琀栀愀琀 最漀椀渀最 戀礀 ∀䜀愀爀搀攀渀猀∀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀渀✀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀搀愀礀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 昀爀甀椀琀Ⰰഊbut rather a royal indulgence.
਀ഊLady Beatrix
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀ 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㐀㨀　㄀㨀㄀㈀ ⴀ　㘀　　ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䄀瀀爀椀挀漀琀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀㼀⠀眀愀猀 䈀礀稀愀渀琀椀渀攀 䌀漀漀欀椀渀最⤀ഊ
਀匀椀渀挀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 䴀愀爀琀栀愀 圀愀猀栀椀渀最琀漀渀✀猀 䈀漀漀欀攀 漀昀 䌀漀漀欀攀爀礀 椀渀 昀爀漀渀琀 漀昀 洀攀Ⰰ 栀攀爀攀ഊare some recipe's from it.
਀ഊBear
਀ഊTO MAKE APRICOCK CAKES
਀ഊTake Apricocks, pare them & cut them in halves. & put them into a pewter
਀昀氀愀最最漀渀Ⰰ ☀ 猀攀琀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 愀 瀀漀琀 漀昀 戀漀礀氀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 氀攀琀 琀栀攀洀 戀漀礀氀攀 琀椀氀氀ഊthey are tender.  then poure a little of ye Juice from them, then crush
਀琀栀攀洀 琀栀漀爀漀甀最栀 愀 挀氀漀琀栀攀 琀椀氀氀 礀漀甀 氀攀愀瘀攀 愀氀氀洀漀猀琀攀 渀漀攀琀栀椀渀最 椀渀 礀攀 挀氀漀琀栀⸀ഊyou must streyn them into a glass, in which you must weigh them.  & to a
਀瀀漀甀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 琀愀欀攀 愀 瀀漀甀渀搀 愀渀搀 愀 焀甀愀琀攀爀 漀昀 搀漀甀戀氀攀 爀攀昀椀渀攀搀 猀甀最愀爀Ⰰ ☀ഊboyle ye sugar to a candey height.  then stir in your apricocks, & let
਀椀琀 猀琀愀渀搀 漀渀 礀攀 昀椀爀攀 琀椀氀氀 椀琀 戀攀 爀攀愀搀礀 琀漀 戀漀礀氀攀⸀  琀栀攀渀 瀀甀琀 椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀猀栀攀猀ഊof what thickness you will, & when it is cold, put it into a stove until
਀椀琀 椀猀 栀愀爀搀 挀愀渀搀椀攀搀 漀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀甀爀渀攀 琀栀攀洀 甀瀀漀渀 瀀氀愀琀攀猀 ☀ 氀攀琀 琀栀攀洀 猀琀愀渀搀 ㌀ഊor 4 days before you cut them.  then cut them into what fashions you
਀瀀氀攀愀猀攀⸀  猀漀攀 搀爀礀 琀栀攀洀 甀瀀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀昀琀攀爀 戀漀砀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊ
਀一漀琀攀㨀  䄀 昀氀愀最最漀渀 椀猀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 戀漀琀琀氀攀 猀栀愀瀀攀搀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀 昀漀 ㈀ 焀甀愀爀琀猀 挀愀瀀愀挀椀琀礀ഊthat may well be closed.  Pilgrims originally carried wine in such jugs.
਀ഊTO CANDY GREEN APRICOCK CHIPS
਀ഊTake your Apricocks and pare them and cut them into chips, and put them
਀椀渀琀漀 爀甀渀渀椀渀最 眀愀琀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 䄀 最漀漀搀 栀愀渀搀昀甀氀氀 漀昀 最爀攀攀渀 眀栀攀愀琀Ⰰ 戀攀昀漀爀攀 椀琀 戀攀ഊeared.  then boyle them a little, after take them from the fire, and put
਀琀栀攀洀 椀渀 愀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀 漀爀 攀愀爀琀栀攀渀 搀椀猀栀 眀椀琀栀 愀 瀀爀椀琀琀礀 焀甀愀渀琀攀琀礀 漀昀 最漀漀搀 眀栀椀琀攀ഊsugar finely beat[en].  then set them over the fire till they be dry,
਀愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 眀椀氀氀 氀漀漀欀 挀氀攀愀爀 愀渀搀 最爀攀攀渀⸀  琀栀攀渀 氀愀礀 琀栀攀洀 漀渀 最氀愀猀嬀猀攀猀 愀渀搀 瀀甀琀崀ഊthem in a stove A while, & then box ym.
਀ഊNote:  Green wheat, like any grass, stains whatever it touched with an
਀椀渀琀攀渀猀攀 最爀攀攀渀㬀 椀琀 眀愀猀 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 挀漀氀漀爀椀渀最 洀愀琀琀攀爀⸀  䄀猀 渀漀琀攀搀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀甀猀琀 渀漀琀ഊhave started to ear, and it is to be strained out once the color has
਀戀攀攀渀 氀攀愀挀栀攀搀 漀甀琀⸀ഊ
਀吀伀 倀刀䔀匀䔀刀唀䔀 䐀䄀䴀匀伀一匀 伀吀䠀䔀刀 倀䰀唀䴀匀 伀刀 䄀倀刀䤀䌀伀䌀䬀匀 吀伀 䬀䔀䔀倀 䄀䰀䰀 夀攀 夀䔀䄀刀 䤀一 䄀ഊQUACKEING JELLY
਀ഊ<see marmalades-msg>
਀ഊTO MAKE OF PLUMS PEARS OR APRICOCKS A PASTE Yt SHALL LOOK CLEAR AS AMBER
਀ഊ<see marmalades-msg>
਀ഊTO MAKE A QUIDONY OF APRICOCKS OR PEAR PLUMS
਀ഊ<see marmalades-msg>
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀㘀 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 　㠀㨀㄀㐀㨀　㈀ ⴀ　㘀　　ഊFrom: L Herr-Gelatt and J R Gelatt <liontamr at ptd.net>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 昀爀甀椀琀猀ഊ
਀㸀䰀漀漀欀椀渀最 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 氀愀琀攀ⴀ瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀猀Ⰰ 䤀✀洀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀ഊ>for preserving fruits, and have the following questions:
਀ഊCongratulations on finding my mini-hobby within sca-cooking! I find fruits
਀愀渀搀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀猀 愀爀攀 瘀愀猀琀氀礀 甀渀搀攀爀ⴀ爀攀瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀攀搀 愀琀 漀甀爀 昀攀愀猀琀 琀愀戀氀攀猀 ⠀瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀ഊfood in general is under-represented). Preserved fruits are not necessarliy
਀栀愀爀搀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 椀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀 琀栀攀礀ഊdeliver is worth the trouble. All in all, I have never had a bad experience
਀眀栀攀渀 猀攀爀瘀椀渀最 愀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 昀爀甀椀琀 愀琀 愀 昀攀愀猀琀 琀愀戀氀攀⸀ഊ
਀夀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 戀攀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 挀爀攀愀琀椀瘀攀 眀栀攀渀 甀猀椀渀最 琀栀攀猀攀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 昀爀甀椀琀猀⸀ 䤀ഊhave noticed that there are numerous recipes for preserving fruits, but few
਀⠀愀氀洀漀猀琀 渀漀渀攀⤀ 甀猀椀渀最 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 昀爀甀椀琀 椀渀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀⸀ 䤀渀 猀漀洀攀 挀愀猀攀猀 椀琀 椀猀 伀䬀 琀漀ഊuse the preserved fruit as you would fresh fruit (the character of the dish
਀眀椀氀氀 挀栀愀渀最攀 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀⤀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀渀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 椀琀 樀甀猀琀 眀漀渀✀琀 眀漀爀欀⸀ഊ
਀㸀ⴀ ⴀ 䤀 爀攀愀搀 漀爀 眀愀猀 琀漀氀搀 戀礀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 ⠀眀椀猀栀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀⤀ 琀栀愀琀 倀椀瀀瀀椀渀猀ഊ>referred to a specific type of apple which is no longer available. Anyone
਀㸀欀渀漀眀 椀昀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀爀甀攀㼀 䤀昀 猀漀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 琀漀 爀攀瀀氀愀挀攀 琀栀攀洀ഊ>with. What about Costers, another (earlier?) term for apples? Are they also
਀㸀愀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 琀礀瀀攀Ⰰ 漀爀 愀 最攀渀攀爀椀挀 琀攀爀洀㼀ഊ
਀匀洀愀氀氀Ⰰ 爀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 爀攀搀 愀渀搀 栀愀爀搀 ⠀渀漀琀 琀漀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 栀愀爀搀礀⤀⸀ 䰀攀猀猀 猀眀攀攀琀 ⠀猀攀攀 氀愀爀最攀ഊamounts of sugar added to them for preservation). As for substitutes, I'd go
਀昀漀爀 琀栀攀 戀愀最猀 漀昀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 洀愀挀猀Ⰰ 椀搀愀 爀攀搀猀 漀爀 猀漀洀攀 猀甀挀栀Ⰰ 眀椀挀栀 愀爀攀 猀洀愀氀氀攀爀Ⰰ 栀愀瘀攀ഊbetter flavor than the enormous ones, and more closely mimic a period sized
਀愀瀀瀀氀攀⸀ 匀琀愀礀 愀眀愀礀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀漀猀攀 猀漀ⴀ挀愀氀氀攀搀 搀攀氀椀挀椀漀甀猀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀渀✀琀⸀ഊ
਀㸀ⴀ ⴀ 匀愀洀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 琀攀爀洀猀 ∀倀攀愀爀猀∀ 愀渀搀 ∀圀愀爀搀攀渀猀∀⸀ 䄀爀攀 圀愀爀搀攀渀猀 愀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀ഊ>pear?
਀ഊA warden is a very hard type of pear. Your firmer-type eating pears would do
਀昀椀渀攀 栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 戀攀 眀愀爀渀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 搀漀 渀漀琀 挀漀漀欀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀⸀ 䤀 漀渀挀攀 栀愀搀 琀漀 爀攀猀漀爀琀ഊto pulverising in a food processor when making a recipe for apple moyse that
਀挀愀氀氀攀搀 昀漀爀 眀愀爀搀攀渀猀⸀ഊ
਀㸀ⴀ ⴀ 䠀漀眀 愀戀漀甀琀 ∀䐀愀洀猀椀渀猀∀ 愀渀搀 ∀倀氀甀洀猀∀㼀ഊ
਀䄀 䐀愀洀猀漀渀 ⠀䐀愀洀猀椀渀猀⤀ 椀猀 愀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 瀀氀甀洀 礀漀甀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 琀漀搀愀礀⸀ഊ
਀㸀ⴀ ⴀ 刀愀猀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 爀愀猀瀀椀猀猀Ⰰ 爀攀猀瀀愀猀猀Ⰰ 爀愀猀瀀猀 ⠀愀氀氀 琀攀爀洀猀 昀漀甀渀搀 椀渀 愀 猀椀渀最氀攀 戀漀漀欀⤀㼀ഊ
਀刀愀猀瀀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀 愀爀攀 氀愀爀最攀爀 渀漀眀⸀ 圀椀氀搀 爀愀猀瀀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀爀攀 昀爀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀 栀攀搀最攀爀漀眀ഊfruits in period) make a good substitute. These are all words for the same
਀昀爀甀椀琀⸀ഊ
਀䄀漀椀昀攀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:24:03 -0800
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀愀瘀椀搀 昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀 㰀搀搀昀爀 愀琀 戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: SC - currant sekanjabin (was rose sekanjabin/wa)
਀ഊAt 2:50 PM -0800 1/30/98, Crystal A. Isaac wrote:
਀ഊ>I've made the current sekanjabin two ways. One method is to get regular
਀㸀漀氀攀 搀爀椀攀搀 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀Ⰰ⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀㸀䘀漀爀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 挀漀氀漀爀 愀渀搀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀Ⰰ 戀甀礀 䠀攀爀漀 戀爀愀渀搀 䈀氀愀挀欀 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀 猀礀爀甀瀀⸀ഊ
਀䤀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 挀氀攀愀爀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀椀猀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 䌀爀礀猀琀愀氀 爀攀愀氀椀稀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 猀栀攀 椀猀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最ഊabout two entirely different fruits. "Regular old dried currants," aka (in
਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀猀⤀ ∀爀愀椀猀椀渀猀 漀昀 䌀漀爀椀渀琀栀Ⰰ∀ 愀爀攀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 爀愀椀猀椀渀⸀ 䈀氀愀挀欀 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀ഊand red currants are a different fruit--the botanical name is "ribes." I
਀搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀椀挀栀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 猀栀攀 栀愀猀 爀攀昀攀爀爀攀搀 琀漀 椀猀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最ഊabout--looking at it in the original might help. My dictionary believes the
਀爀椀戀攀猀 昀爀甀椀琀猀 最漀琀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀礀 氀漀漀欀攀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀ഊcurrants, and the name of the original currant derives from "Corinth."
਀ഊDavid/Cariadoc
਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀搀搀昀爀⼀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:45:35 EST
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䰀爀搀刀愀猀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: SC - currant sekanjabin (was rose sekanjabin/wa)
਀ഊ<< Black currants
਀ 愀渀搀 爀攀搀 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀 愀爀攀 愀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀爀甀椀琀ⴀⴀ琀栀攀 戀漀琀愀渀椀挀愀氀 渀愀洀攀 椀猀 ∀爀椀戀攀猀⸀∀  䤀ഊ don't know which the period source she has referred to is talking
਀ 愀戀漀甀琀ⴀⴀ氀漀漀欀椀渀最 愀琀 椀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 洀椀最栀琀 栀攀氀瀀⸀  䴀礀 搀椀挀琀椀漀渀愀爀礀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀猀 琀栀攀ഊ ribes fruits got called currants because they looked like the other kind of
਀ 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀 搀攀爀椀瘀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 ∀䌀漀爀椀渀琀栀⸀∀ഊ
਀ 䐀愀瘀椀搀⼀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀 㸀㸀ഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀 猀漀 昀愀爀 愀猀 洀礀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 栀愀猀 氀攀愀搀 洀攀 琀漀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀⸀  吀栀愀渀欀昀甀氀氀礀 琀栀攀ഊproduct sold in the market as "Dried Currants " is in fact the zante raisin
਀⠀攀⸀最⸀Ⰰ 爀愀椀猀椀渀猀 漀昀 䌀漀爀椀渀琀栀⤀⸀ 䤀琀 猀琀椀氀氀 愀洀愀稀攀猀 洀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 甀渀椀瘀攀爀猀愀氀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊingredient is still sold commercially  and is relatively universally available
਀椀渀 琀栀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 眀漀爀氀搀⸀ 㨀ⴀ⤀ഊ
਀刀愀猀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:20:47 -0700
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀匀琀攀瘀攀渀猀∀ 㰀最琀漀 愀琀 瘀攀爀搀攀渀攀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - sultanas
਀ഊsultanas are golden raisins  ninkip
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㄀ 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 　　㨀㌀㌀㨀　㌀ ⴀ　㘀　　 ⠀䌀匀吀⤀ഊFrom: jeffrey s heilveil <heilveil at students.uiuc.edu>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 吀栀攀 氀愀猀琀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀ഊ
਀䠀攀爀攀 椀琀 椀猀Ⰰ 䌀爀椀猀瀀礀 倀攀愀爀 愀渀搀 䄀瀀瀀氀攀 匀愀渀搀眀栀椀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 䌀愀爀攀 漀昀 䄀氀椀愀 䄀琀氀愀猀ഊThe original:
਀㄀　⸀ 䔀椀渀 猀瀀椀猀攀 瘀漀渀 戀椀爀渀 ⠀䄀 昀漀漀搀 漀昀 瀀攀愀爀猀⤀ഊ      Nim gebratene birn und sure epfele und hacke sie kleine. und tu dar
਀稀甀 瀀昀攀昀昀攀爀 甀渀搀 攀渀椀猀 甀渀搀 爀漀 攀礀攀爀⸀ 稀渀椀琀 稀眀漀 搀渀渀攀 猀挀栀椀戀攀渀 瘀漀渀 搀渀渀攀 戀爀漀琀攀⸀ഊflle diz da zwischen niht vollen eines vingers dicke.
਀      洀愀挀栀攀 攀椀渀 搀渀渀攀稀 戀氀愀琀 瘀漀渀 攀礀攀爀渀 甀渀搀 欀攀爀攀 搀愀稀 攀椀渀攀稀 搀漀爀 椀渀渀攀 甀洀洀Ⰰ 甀渀搀ഊbackez mit butern in einer phannen biz daz ez rot werde und gibz hin.
਀ഊ      Take roasted pears and tart apples and chop them small. And add
਀琀栀攀爀攀琀漀 瀀攀瀀瀀攀爀 愀渀搀 愀渀椀猀攀 愀渀搀 爀愀眀 攀最最猀⸀ 䌀甀琀 琀眀漀 琀栀椀渀 猀氀椀挀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀椀渀ഊbread. Fill this in between not too full, of a finger's thickness.
਀      䴀愀欀攀 愀 琀栀椀渀 氀攀愀昀 漀昀 攀最最猀 愀渀搀 琀甀爀渀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀爀攀椀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀渀搀 戀愀欀攀 椀琀ഊwith butter in a pan until it becomes red and give out.
਀ഊRecipe 10: Crispy Pear and Apple French Toast Sandwiches
਀ഊcopyright 1994 Alia Atlas
਀ഊApple and Pear Filling:
਀ഊ      1 pears, skinned, cored and chopped very small
਀      ㈀ 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀Ⰰ 猀欀椀渀渀攀搀Ⰰ 挀漀爀攀搀 愀渀搀 挀栀漀瀀瀀攀搀 瘀攀爀礀 猀洀愀氀氀ഊ      1/4 tsp anise seed, ground
਀      ㄀⼀㠀 琀猀瀀 瀀攀瀀瀀攀爀ഊ      1 egg
਀ഊMix apples, pears, eggs, anise and pepper together. This is used to fill
਀琀栀攀 猀愀渀搀眀椀挀栀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀䘀爀攀渀挀栀 吀漀愀猀琀 匀愀渀搀眀椀挀栀攀猀㨀ഊ
਀      ㌀ 攀最最猀 漀爀 ㄀ 攀最最 愀渀搀 㐀 攀最最 眀栀椀琀攀猀ഊ      8 slices bread
਀      ㄀ 吀戀猀瀀 戀甀琀琀攀爀ഊ
਀倀爀攀栀攀愀琀 漀瘀攀渀 琀漀 㐀　　 䘀⸀ 䈀攀愀琀 攀最最猀⸀ 䈀甀琀琀攀爀 愀 昀漀椀氀ⴀ氀椀渀攀搀 戀愀欀椀渀最 猀栀攀攀琀⸀ 䴀愀欀攀 㐀ഊsandwiches with bread and filling. Dip sandwiches into the beaten egg
਀氀椀最栀琀氀礀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 搀漀渀攀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 猀愀渀搀眀椀挀栀攀猀ഊwill not be soggy. Then put the sandwiches onto the baking sheet. Bake for
਀㌀　 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 甀渀琀椀氀 最漀氀搀攀渀 戀爀漀眀渀Ⰰ 琀甀爀渀椀渀最 栀愀氀昀眀愀礀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 ⠀愀昀琀攀爀 ㄀㔀ഊminutes).
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㄀　 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㈀㈀㨀㈀㐀㨀　㐀 ⬀㄀　　　ഊFrom: "Glenda Robinson" <glendar at compassnet.com.au>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀漀洀愀渀 眀漀爀氀搀 ⴀ 䄀瀀爀椀挀漀琀猀 漀爀 倀攀愀挀栀攀猀ഊ
਀一椀挀挀漀氀漀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> I'm not aware of any sources I have of peaches, but Apicius has
਀㸀 愀瀀爀椀挀漀琀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 刀漀洀愀渀 挀甀椀猀椀渀攀⸀  吀栀愀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 洀攀愀渀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀洀攀 甀瀀ഊ> north at some point thereafter, at least in dried form.  No certianty,
਀㸀 戀甀琀 琀栀漀猀攀 刀漀洀愀渀猀 猀栀愀爀攀搀 琀栀攀椀爀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 猀漀 洀愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀ഊ> never can tell which way stuff went.  Then there is the Hansiatic
਀㸀 琀爀愀搀攀 氀攀愀最甀攀 猀栀漀漀琀椀渀最 愀氀氀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 渀漀爀琀栀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀 琀爀愀搀攀 眀愀礀猀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀琀栀攀礀ഊ> proliferated many foodstuffs as well.  Apricots would be a great taste
਀㸀 椀搀攀愀 琀漀 最漀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀攀洀椀 搀爀礀 洀攀愀搀 漀昀 昀椀渀愀氀 最爀愀瘀椀琀礀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 ㄀⸀　㌀㔀ⴀ㄀⸀　㐀　⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 眀愀礀 洀礀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 䄀瀀椀挀椀甀猀 爀攀愀搀猀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀 椀渀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 刀漀洀攀ഊand not apricots (checked the latin recipe name with the dictionary -
਀琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 渀漀 洀椀猀琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀⤀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀渀 攀砀琀愀渀琀 昀爀攀猀挀漀 昀爀漀洀 倀漀洀瀀攀椀椀 眀椀琀栀 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀 ⠀瀀 ㄀　㐀 ⴀ 匀琀椀氀氀 䰀椀昀攀ഊwith Peaches - Pompeii - Lessing/Varone 1996 ISBN 2-87939-007-9) this book
਀愀氀猀漀 栀愀猀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 洀漀猀愀椀挀猀 眀椀琀栀 昀爀甀椀琀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 昀爀甀椀琀猀 愀爀攀 攀愀猀椀氀礀ഊidentifiable, and others aren't. Some could possibly be apricots, but are
਀渀漀琀 挀氀攀愀爀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 椀搀攀渀琀椀昀礀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 礀攀氀氀漀眀 昀爀甀椀琀猀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 洀甀挀栀ഊbigger (by comparison with other fruits in the same fresco) than the
਀愀瀀爀椀挀漀琀猀 眀攀 渀漀眀 最攀琀Ⰰ 猀漀 愀爀攀 甀渀氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀愀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 琀漀 猀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 瀀爀漀瘀攀猀 琀栀攀 刀漀洀愀渀猀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 䄀瀀爀椀挀漀琀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 搀漀攀猀ഊprove they did have peaches.
਀ഊGlenda.
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㄀　 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 　㤀㨀㈀㌀㨀㄀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀漀洀愀渀 眀漀爀氀搀 ⴀ 䄀瀀爀椀挀漀琀猀 漀爀 倀攀愀挀栀攀猀ഊ
਀㸀 吀栀攀 眀愀礀 洀礀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 䄀瀀椀挀椀甀猀 爀攀愀搀猀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀 椀渀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 刀漀洀攀ഊ> and not apricots (checked the latin recipe name with the dictionary -
਀㸀 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 渀漀 洀椀猀琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀⤀⸀ഊ>
਀㸀 䜀氀攀渀搀愀 刀漀戀椀渀猀漀渀ഊ
਀䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 吀爀愀最攀爀✀猀 吀栀攀 䘀漀漀搀 䌀栀爀漀渀漀氀漀最礀Ⰰ 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀㐀　 䈀⸀䌀⸀ 愀瀀爀椀挀漀琀猀 愀渀搀ഊpeaches were brought out of China into the Near East.  About 65 B.C., Pompey
਀椀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀攀搀 愀瀀爀椀挀漀琀猀Ⰰ 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀 愀渀搀 瀀氀甀洀猀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 刀漀洀愀渀 漀爀挀栀愀爀搀猀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 椀猀 愀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀愀戀氀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 最椀瘀攀猀 愀 猀琀愀爀琀椀渀最 瀀漀椀渀琀 昀漀爀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最ഊmeatier information.
਀ഊBear
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㄀ 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㄀㨀㔀㤀㨀㐀㐀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: david friedman <ddfr at best.com>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 倀攀愀挀栀攀猀 椀渀 一漀爀琀栀攀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀ഊ
਀䈀爀漀欀欀 愀猀欀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀 椀渀 匀挀愀渀搀椀渀愀瘀椀愀 漀爀 渀漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀⸀ഊ
਀䌀⸀ 䄀渀渀攀 圀椀氀猀漀渀Ⰰ 椀渀 䘀漀漀搀 愀渀搀 䐀爀椀渀欀 椀渀 䈀爀椀琀愀椀渀Ⰰ 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀 戀攀椀渀最ഊplanted in the royal gardens at Westminster in the 13th c.  It sounds from
਀琀栀攀 挀漀渀琀攀砀琀 愀猀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 猀漀洀攀眀栀愀琀 甀渀甀猀甀愀氀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 愀琀 琀栀愀琀ഊtime.  By the end of our period (actually, 1629) someone in England listed
਀㈀㈀ 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀 漀昀 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 匀挀愀渀搀椀渀愀瘀椀愀Ⰰഊthough.
਀ഊElizabeth/Betty Cook
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 　　㨀㌀㜀㨀㌀㠀 ⬀　　　　ഊFrom: "Robin Carroll-Mann" <harper at idt.net>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀栀甀戀愀爀戀ഊ
਀䄀渀搀 椀琀 挀愀洀攀 琀漀 瀀愀猀猀 漀渀 ㈀㔀 䴀愀礀 㤀㠀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 䰀爀搀刀愀猀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ
਀㸀 匀漀 昀愀爀 愀猀 洀礀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 最漀攀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 洀甀猀栀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 爀栀甀戀愀爀戀ഊ> was used as a medicinal plant. Outside of the personal experiences
਀㸀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 甀猀 栀愀瘀攀 栀愀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 洀攀搀椀挀愀氀 戀攀渀攀昀椀琀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀愀氀ഊ> mention of it in herbals, is there any basis in fact that rhubarb
਀㸀 眀愀猀 甀猀攀搀 愀猀 愀 ∀昀漀漀搀∀ 瀀氀愀渀琀 搀甀爀椀渀最 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀ഊ
਀䤀渀 开䘀漀漀搀 愀渀搀 䐀爀椀渀欀 椀渀 䈀爀椀琀愀椀渀开Ⰰ 椀琀 猀愀礀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀礀 漀昀 爀栀甀戀愀爀戀ഊwhich was eaten as a fruit arrived in England from Italy in the 17th
਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀  䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 攀愀爀氀礀 椀琀 眀愀猀 戀攀椀渀最 最爀漀眀渀⼀攀愀琀攀渀 椀渀 䤀琀愀氀礀⸀ഊ
਀䰀愀搀礀 䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 渀椀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀椀渀 漀昀 吀攀琀栀戀愀ഊBarony of Settmour Swamp, East Kingdom
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 　㤀㨀㐀㔀㨀㌀㌀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Nick Sasso <Njs at mccalla.com>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀栀甀戀愀爀戀 愀猀 昀漀漀搀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀ഊ
਀䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 开䘀漀漀搀 椀渀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀开 ⠀吀愀渀渀愀栀椀氀氀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㜀㌀⤀Ⰰ 刀栀甀戀愀爀戀 椀猀 漀昀ഊChinese origin.  It came west as a foodstuff via Arab and Rhadanite
਀䨀攀眀 挀愀爀愀瘀愀渀猀 ⠀瀀⸀㄀㈀㘀⤀⸀  匀栀攀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 椀琀 椀渀 愀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ∀渀攀眀ഊwalled city of Bhagdad" of the 8th century.
਀ഊNot the world's greatest source, but a good suggestion.
਀ഊniccolo
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㈀㨀㐀㔀㨀　㄀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀栀甀戀愀爀戀 愀猀 昀漀漀搀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀ഊ
਀䨀甀猀琀 昀漀爀 昀甀渀Ⰰ 栀攀爀攀 椀猀 猀漀洀攀 攀琀漀洀漀氀漀最礀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀搀 爀栀甀戀愀爀戀⸀ഊ
਀䈀吀圀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 栀愀渀搀礀 焀甀椀挀欀 爀攀昀 猀愀礀猀 眀栀愀琀 眀攀 攀愀琀 椀猀 刀栀攀甀洀 爀栀甀戀愀爀戀愀爀甀洀 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀ഊAsian varieties are Rheum officinale and R. palmatum and are used as
਀氀愀砀愀琀椀瘀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀䈀攀愀爀ഊ
਀嬀䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 爀甀戀愀爀戀攀Ⰰ 昀爀漀洀 伀氀搀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀Ⰰ 昀爀漀洀 䰀愀琀攀 䰀愀琀椀渀 爀攀甀戀愀爀戀愀爀甀洀Ⰰഊprobably alteration (influenced by Greek rhêon), of rhabarbarum : rha,
਀爀栀甀戀愀爀戀 ⠀昀爀漀洀 䜀爀攀攀欀Ⰰ 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 昀爀漀洀 刀栀愀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 嘀漀氀最愀 刀椀瘀攀爀⤀ ⬀ 䰀愀琀椀渀 戀愀爀戀愀爀甀洀Ⰰഊneuter of barbarus, barbarian, foreign. See BARBAROUS.]
਀圀漀爀搀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀㨀 吀栀攀 眀漀爀搀 爀栀甀戀愀爀戀 洀愀礀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀 琀眀漀 栀椀搀搀攀渀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 琀漀 椀琀猀ഊorigins. The first of these is in the rhu- part of the word, which can be
਀琀爀愀挀攀搀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䜀爀攀攀欀 眀漀爀搀 爀栀愀Ⰰ 洀攀愀渀椀渀最 ∀爀栀甀戀愀爀戀⸀∀ 䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 䰀愀琀攀ഊLatin historian Ammianus Marcellinus, rhubarb was named rha because it grew
਀渀攀愀爀 琀栀攀 爀椀瘀攀爀 渀愀洀攀搀 刀栀愀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀 欀渀漀眀 愀猀 琀栀攀 嘀漀氀最愀⸀ 吀栀攀 ⴀ戀愀爀戀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀ഊrhubarb was actually added first to Late Latin rha, descended from Greek
਀爀栀愀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀漀爀洀 爀栀愀戀愀爀戀愀爀甀洀Ⰰ 戀愀爀戀愀爀甀洀 戀攀椀渀最 琀栀攀 渀攀甀琀攀爀 昀漀爀洀 漀昀 戀愀爀戀愀爀甀猀Ⰰഊ"foreign." Another Greek word for rhubarb, rhêon, influenced the Late Latin
਀眀漀爀搀 爀栀愀戀愀爀戀愀爀甀洀Ⰰ 最椀瘀椀渀最 甀猀 爀攀甀戀愀爀戀愀爀甀洀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 礀椀攀氀搀攀搀 伀氀搀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 爀攀甀戀愀爀戀攀⸀ഊThe Old French form gave us Middle English rubarbe, first recorded in a work
਀眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 ㄀㌀㤀　⸀ 䤀渀 椀洀椀琀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 琀栀攀 䜀爀攀攀欀 眀漀爀搀 爀栀愀 椀猀 猀瀀攀氀氀攀搀Ⰰഊan h was added, completing the long journey of this word into English from
਀琀栀攀 戀愀渀欀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 嘀漀氀最愀 椀渀 挀氀愀猀猀椀挀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:38:33 EDT
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 吀䠀䰀刀攀渀愀琀愀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re:  SC - a question
਀ഊElinor Fettiplace's Receipt Book has a wonderful jam recipe (page 128 for
਀琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 漀眀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀⤀㨀ഊ
਀吀漀 倀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀 倀氀甀洀猀 漀爀 䜀漀漀猀攀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀ഊTake to every pound of plums a pound of sugar, then beat it smal, & put so
਀洀甀挀栀 眀愀琀攀爀 琀漀 椀琀 愀猀  眀椀氀氀 眀攀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 戀漀礀氀攀 琀椀氀氀 椀琀 戀攀攀 猀甀最愀爀 愀最愀椀渀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 瀀甀琀ഊin the plums, & let them boile very softlie, till they be doone, then when
਀琀栀攀礀 戀攀攀 挀漀氀搀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 甀瀀Ⰰ 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 戀攀最椀渀 琀漀 最爀漀眀 琀栀攀渀 猀攀琀 琀栀攀洀 眀栀攀爀攀 昀椀爀攀椀猀 椀渀ഊa cupboard; you may doe respis this way & gooseberries, but you must boyle
਀琀栀攀洀 瘀攀爀椀攀 猀漀昀琀 Ⰰ ☀ 渀漀琀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀 甀瀀 琀椀氀氀 琀栀攀礀 戀攀攀 挀漀氀搀Ⰰ ☀ 氀椀欀攀眀椀猀攀 洀愀礀 䌀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀ഊbee doone as your gooseberries & respis.
਀ഊHilary Spurling has redacted the recipe:
਀ഊMoisten the sugar with as little water as possible, say a quarter to half a
਀瀀椀渀琀 瀀攀爀 瀀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 瀀甀琀 椀琀 椀渀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 琀栀椀挀欀ⴀ戀漀琀琀漀洀攀搀 瀀愀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀琀椀爀 椀琀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀ഊgentlest possible heat without boiling until it is dissolved. "Boyle till it
਀戀攀攀 猀甀最愀爀 愀最愀椀渀攀∀ 洀攀愀渀猀 戀漀椀氀 琀栀攀 猀礀爀甀瀀 栀愀爀搀 甀渀琀椀氀 椀琀 爀攀愀挀栀攀猀 眀栀愀琀 挀漀漀欀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊperiod call "candie height" (240 degrees F, 115 degrees C on a sugar
਀琀栀攀爀洀漀洀攀琀攀爀⤀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 椀琀 眀椀氀氀 挀栀爀礀猀琀愀氀椀稀攀 椀昀 礀漀甀 戀攀愀琀 椀琀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 ⠀琀栀椀猀 椀猀 刀攀渀愀琀愀 愀最愀椀渀⤀ 栀愀瘀攀 洀愀搀攀 琀栀椀猀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀礀 漀昀 昀爀甀椀琀ഊand it's scary but it works. You end up with a pan full of hot rock candy,
਀琀栀攀渀 樀甀猀琀 搀甀洀瀀 礀漀甀爀 昀爀甀椀琀 椀渀 愀渀搀 氀攀琀 椀琀 猀椀琀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 氀漀眀攀猀琀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 栀攀愀琀⸀ 吀栀攀ഊjuice from the fruit re-melts the sugar, and needs an occassional stir and/or
਀挀栀椀瀀瀀椀渀最 猀甀最愀爀 愀眀愀礀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 猀椀搀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀愀渀⸀ഊ
਀䈀礀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 琀栀攀 猀甀最愀爀 栀愀猀 琀漀琀愀氀氀礀 爀攀洀攀氀琀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 樀愀洀 椀猀 爀攀愀搀礀 琀漀 猀攀琀 ⠀琀攀猀琀 琀栀椀猀ഊby putting a drop on a cold plate and pushing it -- if it forms a skin that
਀眀爀椀渀欀氀攀猀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 爀攀愀搀礀 琀漀 猀攀琀⤀ 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 攀瘀攀爀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 昀爀甀椀琀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀洀瀀爀漀瘀攀猀ഊthe flavor.
਀ഊThe resulting jam is wonderful, and a hot water bath is not necessary, as the
਀栀椀最栀 猀甀最愀爀 挀漀渀琀攀渀琀 欀攀攀瀀猀 琀栀攀 樀愀洀 昀漀爀洀 猀瀀漀椀氀椀渀最⸀ഊ
਀䤀昀 椀琀 眀漀爀欀猀 昀漀爀 爀攀猀瀀椀猀 ⠀爀愀猀瀀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀⤀ 椀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 眀漀爀欀 昀漀爀 洀甀氀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀⸀ 䠀漀眀 氀甀挀欀礀ഊyou are that you have enough to consider jam. The house where I grew up had a
਀洀甀氀戀攀爀爀礀 琀爀攀攀 愀渀搀 眀攀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 氀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀 戀攀爀爀椀攀猀 椀琀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀搀⸀ 一漀渀攀 攀瘀攀爀 氀愀猀琀攀搀ഊlong enough for jam, tho.
਀ഊRenata
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ 㘀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㤀㨀㐀㠀㨀㔀㤀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 愀氀洀漀渀搀 洀椀氀欀ഊ
਀㸀 䤀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最⸀  吀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 洀攀琀栀漀搀 漀渀攀 甀猀攀猀 椀渀 䈀爀愀稀椀氀 ⠀琀栀愀琀 愀最愀椀渀⤀ഊ> to get coconut milk that they cook with extensively.  And the recipe
਀㸀 挀愀氀氀猀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀挀欀 洀椀氀欀 ⠀昀椀爀猀琀 猀焀甀攀攀稀椀渀最⤀ 漀爀 琀栀椀渀 洀椀氀欀ഊ> (second squeezing).  I wonder when that practice started?  They
਀㸀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 挀愀洀攀 椀渀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀椀琀栀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀猀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 攀愀爀氀礀Ⰰ 搀椀搀渀✀琀 琀栀攀礀㼀ഊ> Bear?
਀㸀ഊ> Tyrca
਀ഊFrom a quick check, coconuts are native to all the tropic regions of the
਀倀愀挀椀昀椀挀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 漀昀 漀爀椀最椀渀 栀愀猀 渀攀瘀攀爀 戀攀攀渀 搀攀琀攀爀洀椀渀攀搀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀礀 洀愀欀攀 愀渀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀愀渀挀攀 椀渀 䔀最礀瀀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 㘀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀 䌀⸀䔀⸀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀ഊimpact on the Mediterranean world until the end of the 17th century.  Marco
਀倀漀氀漀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀攀洀 愀猀 戀攀椀渀最 挀甀琀 漀瀀攀渀 昀漀爀 昀漀漀搀 愀渀搀 搀爀椀渀欀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 洀愀欀攀猀 渀漀ഊmention of processing.  The references I have for processing coconuts date
਀挀漀洀洀攀爀挀椀愀氀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀攀 ㄀㤀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀 愀渀搀 搀漀渀✀琀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 琀栀攀ഊtechniques.
਀ഊWhile the coconut was in South America early on, I think it is likely that
਀琀栀攀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀 眀愀猀 椀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 䈀爀愀稀椀氀 戀礀 琀栀攀 倀漀爀琀甀最甀攀猀攀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀爀愀搀攀 眀椀琀栀ഊthe Spanish and the processing of coconut got started to compete with the
਀䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀渀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀 椀渀搀甀猀琀爀礀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 焀甀愀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 猀甀最最攀猀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 渀攀攀搀猀 琀漀 戀攀ഊundertaken.
਀ഊBear
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ 㜀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 　　㨀㄀㌀㨀㐀　 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: allilyn at juno.com (LYN M PARKINSON)
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䨀攀氀氀椀攀猀 瘀猀⸀ 愀猀瀀椀挀猀ഊ
਀䜀攀渀攀瘀椀愀Ⰰഊ
਀㸀㸀 圀漀甀氀搀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀 琀栀攀 氀愀爀最攀 愀洀漀甀渀琀猀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 樀攀氀氀椀攀猀 琀漀 搀漀ഊthis or would they have prepared them some other way for storage? <<
਀ഊThat's an interesting speculation.  We know they dried fruit, and used
਀琀栀攀 搀爀椀攀搀 椀渀 琀愀爀琀猀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 洀攀愀琀Ⰰ 椀渀 昀爀椀琀琀攀爀猀⸀⸀⸀愀氀氀 猀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 眀愀礀猀⸀  䄀 氀椀琀琀氀攀ഊjam can go a long way and makes both a delicious and a pretty display.
਀䤀渀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 栀甀洀漀爀愀氀 琀栀攀漀爀礀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 猀甀最愀爀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀 昀漀漀搀Ⰰ 琀漀ഊuse some of the sweet jam would say very nice things to your guests, or
਀琀漀 礀漀甀爀 昀愀洀椀氀礀 愀渀搀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀⸀  伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 栀甀洀漀爀愀氀 琀栀攀漀爀礀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀ഊfalling away just as preserves are really coming in.
਀ഊMost of the nobles whose recipes we have had large estates, with orchards
਀昀甀氀氀 漀昀 昀爀甀椀琀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀礀✀搀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀攀 甀猀攀 漀昀 攀渀漀甀最栀 昀爀甀椀琀 昀漀爀ഊpreserves to be out of keeping with good, economic use.  After all, a
਀搀爀椀攀搀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 椀猀 漀渀攀 愀瀀瀀氀攀ⴀⴀ栀漀眀 洀甀挀栀 樀愀洀 漀爀 挀漀渀猀攀爀瘀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 礀漀甀 最攀琀 昀漀爀ഊadding the water or juice, the sugar, and whatever else you use?  And
਀琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀猀攀爀瘀攀猀ⴀⴀ戀愀爀戀攀爀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀最氀漀猀猀 昀氀漀眀攀爀猀Ⰰഊrosemary flowers, rose leaves--all and more in Martha Washington's Booke
਀漀昀 䌀漀漀欀攀爀礀ⴀⴀ眀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 戀攀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀漀 戀攀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 漀琀栀攀爀 眀愀礀猀⸀  䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀ഊonce we had access to sugar, and developed a thorough-going sweet-tooth,
਀琀栀攀 挀漀渀猀攀爀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 最攀氀氀椀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀愀猀琀攀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 眀攀爀攀 愀渀 攀猀琀愀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀愀挀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊcost was considered well worth it.  Other opinions?
਀刀攀最愀爀搀猀Ⰰഊ
਀䄀氀氀椀猀漀渀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:58:44 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 愀氀氀椀氀礀渀 愀琀 樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䰀夀一 䴀 倀䄀刀䬀䤀一匀伀一⤀ഊSubject: Re: SC - coconut milk
਀ഊhttp://sunsite.unc.edu/wm/paint/auth/burgkmair/st-john.jpg
਀ 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀 琀爀攀攀猀㼀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀 唀刀䰀 琀愀欀攀猀 礀漀甀 琀漀 愀 瀀愀椀渀琀椀渀最 漀昀 匀琀⸀ 䨀漀栀渀 瀀爀愀礀椀渀最 椀渀 愀 最愀爀搀攀渀ഊunder palm-type trees, and those certainly look like coconuts hanging on
਀琀栀攀洀⸀  䴀甀挀栀 琀漀漀 氀愀爀最攀 琀漀 戀攀 愀渀 愀爀琀椀猀琀✀猀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 搀愀琀攀 瀀愀氀洀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 昀椀最 琀爀攀攀猀Ⰰഊor something we know they knew about.  Take a look and see what you all
਀琀栀椀渀欀⸀  䤀昀 愀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀 愀爀琀椀猀琀 瀀愀椀渀琀攀搀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 琀栀攀 刀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 琀漀ഊbe known, even if we don't find any recipes for them.
਀ഊAllison
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㄀㨀㈀㠀㨀㌀㠀 ⴀ　㜀　　 ⠀倀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Vicki Strassburg <taltos at primenet.com>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䄀瀀瀀氀攀 䈀甀琀琀攀爀 儀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀ഊ
਀㸀 倀攀愀爀 䈀甀琀琀攀爀㼀 洀洀洀洀洀洀洀⸀ഊ>  . . .and the recipe is??? (impatient foot-tapping)
਀ഊI'm not the poster, but I have an answer ... the same as the apple butter,
਀樀甀猀琀 猀眀椀琀挀栀 琀栀攀 昀爀甀椀琀猀⸀ 吀栀愀琀✀猀 眀栀愀琀 䤀✀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 昀漀爀 礀攀愀爀猀 眀椀琀栀 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀ഊfruit happens to be close to spoiling (unless it's bananas, then it's
਀戀爀攀愀搀⤀⸀ 䤀✀瘀攀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀攀搀 漀渀 猀漀洀攀 圀伀一䐀䔀刀䘀唀䰀 琀栀椀渀最猀 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 挀愀渀琀攀氀漀甀瀀攀 戀甀琀琀攀爀ഊand pumpkin butter!
਀ഊThe way I was taught, "butters" are the basically fruit and sugar, cooked
਀搀漀眀渀 琀漀 愀 瀀愀猀琀礀 挀漀渀猀椀猀琀攀渀挀礀⸀ 䨀甀猀琀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀最愀爀 戀攀最椀渀猀 琀漀 挀愀爀洀攀氀椀稀攀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀ഊdone (that's what gives it the great rich brown color). Cold winter
਀洀漀爀渀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 眀愀爀洀 昀椀爀攀猀Ⰰ 昀爀攀猀栀 戀爀攀愀搀Ⰰ 砀砀砀砀 戀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ 䄀氀洀漀猀琀 愀猀 最漀漀搀 愀猀 眀愀爀洀ഊsummer mornings, sunny porch, fresh bread and xxxx butter.  :-)
਀ഊ~Maedb
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㜀㨀㔀㘀㨀㌀㄀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䄀瀀瀀氀攀 䈀甀琀琀攀爀 唀瀀搀愀琀攀ഊ
਀㸀 伀渀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㄀㌀ 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀Ⰰ 䐀攀挀欀攀爀Ⰰ 吀攀爀爀礀 䐀⸀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> > Since the chief difference between modern applesauce and modern apple butter
਀㸀 㸀 椀猀 琀栀攀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 猀甀最愀爀 甀猀攀搀Ⰰ 戀攀椀渀最 栀攀愀瘀礀 栀愀渀搀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 栀漀渀攀礀 洀椀最栀琀 最攀琀 礀漀甀ഊ> > apple butter.
਀㸀ഊ> I have a question on this. Since it's the sugar that sort of carmelizes
਀㸀 愀渀搀 挀爀攀愀琀攀猀 琀栀攀 ∀戀甀琀琀攀爀∀Ⰰ 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 甀猀椀渀最 栀漀渀攀礀 愀昀昀攀挀琀 琀栀愀琀㼀ഊ>
਀㸀 縀䴀愀攀搀戀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 昀甀氀氀 焀甀漀琀攀 搀攀愀氀琀 眀椀琀栀 䄀瀀瀀甀氀洀漀礀Ⰰ 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 搀椀猀栀⸀  吀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 最椀瘀攀猀 渀漀ഊquantities, so it could be made with a little honey or a lot of honey.
਀匀椀渀挀攀 栀漀渀攀礀 挀愀渀 搀漀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 氀漀漀欀猀 愀 氀漀琀 氀椀欀攀 挀愀爀洀攀氀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀ഊmight produce something similar to apple butter.  I don't know, I haven't
਀琀爀椀攀搀 椀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 愀洀 渀漀琀 愀猀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀椀猀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 愀猀瀀攀挀琀 漀昀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最ഊas some of the other people on the list.
਀ഊIn case you wish to test the recipe:
਀ഊAppulmoy.  Take apples and seethe hem in water.  Drawe hem thurgh a stynnor.
਀吀愀欀攀 愀氀洀愀渀搀攀 洀礀氀欀攀 愀渀搀 栀漀渀礀 愀渀搀 昀氀漀攀爀 漀昀 爀礀猀Ⰰ 猀愀昀爀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀漀眀搀漀爀ⴀ昀漀爀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊsalt, and seeth it stondyng.
਀ഊ- --Forme of Cury
਀ഊBear
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㈀㄀㨀㐀㔀㨀㌀㐀 䔀䐀吀ഊFrom: LrdRas at aol.com
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䄀瀀瀀氀攀 䈀甀琀琀攀爀 唀瀀搀愀琀攀ഊ
਀琀愀氀琀漀猀 愀琀 瀀爀椀洀攀渀攀琀⸀挀漀洀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ<< I have a question on this. Since it's the sugar that sort of carmelizes
਀ 愀渀搀 挀爀攀愀琀攀猀 琀栀攀 ∀戀甀琀琀攀爀∀Ⰰ 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 甀猀椀渀最 栀漀渀攀礀 愀昀昀攀挀琀 琀栀愀琀㼀 㸀㸀ഊ
਀䄀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀 愀挀琀 漀昀 爀椀搀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀 漀昀 攀砀挀攀猀猀 眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 挀漀渀挀攀渀琀爀愀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊpectins creates apple butter along with the mingling of flavors from the
਀猀瀀椀挀攀猀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 氀漀渀最 猀氀漀眀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最⸀ 䤀 洀甀猀琀 搀椀猀愀最爀攀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 椀猀  琀栀攀ഊsame as apple sauce except for the sugar content. Apple butter can be made
਀⠀椀渀搀攀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 栀漀眀 䤀 洀愀欀攀 洀椀渀攀⤀ 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 愀渀礀 愀搀搀攀搀 猀眀攀攀琀攀渀攀爀⸀ഊ
਀刀愀猀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:54:17 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 倀栀椀氀椀瀀 ☀ 匀甀猀愀渀 吀爀漀礀 㰀琀爀漀礀 愀琀 愀猀愀渀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Apple Butter Update
਀ഊupsxdls at okway.okstate.edu wrote:
਀㸀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀⸀ 匀椀渀挀攀 椀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 猀甀最愀爀 琀栀愀琀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 挀愀爀洀攀氀椀稀攀猀ഊ> and creates the "butter", wouldn't using honey affect that?
਀㸀ഊ> ~Maedb
਀㸀ഊ>   When I make apple butter, I simmer the mashed apples until enough liquid is
਀㸀   挀漀漀欀攀搀 漀昀昀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 ∀戀甀琀琀攀爀⸀∀  匀愀洀攀 琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀 愀猀 洀愀欀椀渀最 琀漀洀愀琀漀 猀愀甀挀攀 漀爀ഊ>   paste from fresh tomatoes.  A very low flame should be used to keep the
਀㸀   猀甀最愀爀 昀爀漀洀 挀愀爀洀攀氀椀稀椀渀最⸀ 䤀昀 甀猀椀渀最 栀漀渀攀礀Ⰰ 氀漀最椀挀 猀愀礀猀 愀 氀漀渀最攀爀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 琀椀洀攀ഊ>   would be necessary, because honey is more liquid than sugar.  I have not
਀㸀   琀爀椀攀搀 猀眀攀攀琀攀渀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 栀漀渀攀礀 ⴀ 礀攀琀℀ 㨀⤀ 䰀攀愀渀渀愀 漀昀 匀瀀愀爀爀漀眀栀愀瘀攀渀ഊ
਀䘀漀爀 眀栀愀琀 椀琀✀猀 眀漀爀琀栀Ⰰ 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀 戀爀漀眀渀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 礀漀甀 愀搀搀 猀甀最愀爀 漀爀 渀漀琀 ⠀愀渀搀 猀漀ഊdo pears and quiunces). The apples themselves are oxidizing, and it
਀猀栀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 戀攀 挀愀爀愀洀攀氀椀稀椀渀最 猀甀最愀爀 琀栀愀琀 最椀瘀攀猀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 椀琀猀ഊcharacteristic brown. There's nothing to prevent the addition of sugar,
਀漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 挀愀爀愀洀攀氀椀稀攀搀 漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀眀椀猀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 䤀✀瘀攀 攀瘀攀爀ഊseen came from Lord Ras's neck of the woods, and is made with apples
਀挀漀漀欀攀搀 搀漀眀渀 椀渀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 挀椀搀攀爀Ⰰ 猀愀渀猀 愀搀搀攀搀 猀甀最愀爀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 椀猀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 挀爀攀愀洀礀⼀瀀愀猀琀礀Ⰰ 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 樀攀氀氀礀ⴀ氀椀欀攀Ⰰഊis that the chemical reaction that causes pectin to gell is not
਀栀愀瀀瀀攀渀椀渀最⸀ 夀漀甀✀搀 戀攀 洀漀爀攀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 戀爀漀眀渀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 樀愀洀 椀昀ഊsugar in the proportions for jellies and preserves were added.
਀ഊAdamantius
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㌀㄀ 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 　㄀㨀㌀㔀㨀㌀㤀 䔀䐀吀ഊFrom: korrin.daardain at juno.com (Korrin S DaArdain)
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 刀攀㨀 䬀椀琀挀栀攀渀攀爀ഊ
਀昀爀漀洀 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀✀猀 䴀椀猀挀攀氀氀愀渀礀Ⰰ 䌀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 ꤀ 戀礀 䐀愀瘀椀搀 䘀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㠀㠀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㤀　Ⰰഊ1992.
਀ഊ        Cuskynoles (English, 14th c.)
਀        䌀甀爀礀攀 漀渀 䤀渀最氀礀猀挀栀 瀀⸀ 㔀㈀ ⠀䐀椀甀攀爀猀愀 䌀椀戀愀爀椀愀 渀漀⸀ 㐀㔀⤀ഊ        A mete [th] at is icleped cuskynoles. Make a past tempred wi[th]
਀愀礀爀攀渀Ⰰ ☀ 猀漀嬀琀栀崀 嬀琀栀崀 攀渀 渀椀洀 瀀攀漀爀攀渀 ☀ 愀瀀瀀氀攀渀Ⰰ 昀椀最攀猀 ☀ 爀攀礀猀椀渀猀Ⰰ 愀氀攀洀愀甀渀搀攀猀ഊ& dates; bet am togedere & do god poudre of gode speces wi[th] innen. &
਀椀渀 氀攀礀渀琀攀渀 洀愀欀攀 嬀琀栀崀 椀 瀀愀猀琀 眀椀嬀琀栀崀 洀椀氀欀攀 漀昀 愀氀攀洀愀甀渀搀攀猀⸀ ☀ 爀漀氀氀攀 嬀琀栀崀 椀ഊpast on a bord, & so[th] [th] en hew hit on moni perties, & vche an
਀瀀攀爀琀椀攀 戀攀漀 漀昀 嬀琀栀崀 攀 氀攀礀渀嬀琀栀崀 攀 漀昀 愀 瀀愀甀洀攀 ☀ 愀渀 栀愀氀昀 ☀ 漀昀 嬀琀栀崀 爀攀漀瘀礀渀最爀攀猀ഊof brede. & smeor [th] y past al of one dole, & so[th] [th] en do [th] i
਀昀愀猀猀甀爀攀 眀椀嬀琀栀崀 椀渀渀攀渀⸀ 嘀挀栀愀渀 欀愀欀攀 椀猀 瀀漀爀琀椀漀漀甀渀⸀ ☀ 猀漀嬀琀栀崀 嬀琀栀崀 攀渀 瘀攀氀搀ഊtogedere o[th] e zeolue manere, ase [th] eos fugurre is imad: & so[th]
਀嬀琀栀崀 攀 戀漀椀氀氀攀 椀渀 瘀攀椀爀 眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ ☀ 猀漀嬀琀栀崀 嬀琀栀崀 攀渀 爀漀猀缀琀 漀渀 愀渀 最爀攀甀搀椀氀㬀 ☀ഊso[th] [th] en adresse.
਀        䴀漀搀攀爀渀椀稀攀搀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀㨀 䄀 洀攀愀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 渀愀洀攀搀 挀甀猀欀礀渀漀氀攀猀⸀ 䴀愀欀攀 愀 瀀愀猀琀攀ഊtempered with eggs, & so then take pears & apples, figs & raisins,
਀愀氀洀漀渀搀猀 ☀ 搀愀琀攀猀㬀 戀攀愀琀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 ☀ 搀漀 最漀漀搀 瀀漀眀搀攀爀 漀昀 最漀漀搀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀ഊwithin. & in Lent make thy paste with milk of almonds. & roll thy
਀瀀愀猀琀攀 漀渀 愀 戀漀愀爀搀Ⰰ ☀ 猀漀 琀栀攀渀 栀攀眀 椀琀 椀渀 洀愀渀礀 瀀愀爀琀猀Ⰰ ☀ 攀愀挀栀 瀀愀爀琀 戀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊlength of a palm & a half & of three fingers of breadth. & smear thy
਀瀀愀猀琀攀 愀氀氀 漀渀 漀渀攀 栀愀氀昀Ⰰ ☀ 猀漀 琀栀攀渀 搀漀 琀栀礀 昀椀氀氀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀椀渀⸀ 䔀愀挀栀 挀愀欀攀 椀猀 愀ഊportion. & so then fold together of the same manner, as this figure is
਀洀愀搀攀㨀 嬀猀攀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀崀 ☀ 猀漀 琀栀攀渀 戀漀椀氀 椀渀 昀愀椀爀 眀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ ☀ 猀漀 琀栀攀渀 爀漀愀猀琀 漀渀 愀ഊgriddle; & so then dress.
਀        䘀椀氀氀椀渀最㨀ഊ        one ripe pear (7 oz)
਀        漀渀攀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 ⠀刀漀洀攀㼀⤀ ⠀㜀 漀稀⤀ഊ        4 oz figs
਀        㐀 漀稀 爀愀椀猀椀渀猀ഊ        4 oz whole, unblanched almonds
਀        㐀 漀稀 瀀椀琀琀攀搀 搀愀琀攀猀ഊ        1 1/2 t cinnamon
਀        ㄀ ㄀⼀㈀ 琀 渀甀琀洀攀最ഊ        1 t cloves
਀        ㄀⼀㈀ 琀 最椀渀最攀爀ഊ        Wash and core apple and pear but do not peel. Cut figs into 2 or
਀㌀ 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 攀愀挀栀⸀ 唀猀攀 愀 昀漀漀搀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀漀爀 漀爀 洀漀爀琀愀爀 愀渀搀 瀀攀猀琀氀攀 琀漀 爀攀搀甀挀攀 琀栀攀ഊingredients to a uniform mush.
਀        倀愀猀琀爀礀㨀ഊ        1 1/2 c flour
਀        ㄀⼀㐀 挀 眀愀琀攀爀ഊ        1 beaten egg
਀        匀琀椀爀 挀漀氀搀 眀愀琀攀爀 椀渀琀漀 昀氀漀甀爀Ⰰ 猀琀椀爀 椀渀 攀最最Ⰰ 猀琀椀爀 愀渀搀 欀渀攀愀搀 甀渀琀椀氀ഊsmooth. Roll out as two 12"x15" sheets. Cut each sheet into 10 6"x3"
਀瀀椀攀挀攀猀⸀ 匀瀀爀攀愀搀 ㄀ 吀 漀昀 昀椀氀氀椀渀最 漀渀 漀渀攀 瀀椀攀挀攀 愀渀搀 瀀甀琀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀瘀攀爀 椀琀Ⰰഊmaking a sandwich of dough, filling, dough. Using the back of a thick
਀欀渀椀昀攀Ⰰ 瀀爀攀猀猀 琀栀攀 攀搀最攀猀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 琀漀 猀攀愀氀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 瀀爀攀猀猀 愀氀漀渀最 琀栀攀 氀椀渀攀猀ഊshown in the figure, giving a 6"x3" "cake" made up of fifteen miniature
਀昀爀甀椀琀 昀椀氀氀攀搀 爀愀瘀椀漀氀椀Ⰰ 樀漀椀渀攀搀 愀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 攀搀最攀猀⸀ 䈀漀椀氀 愀戀漀甀琀 㐀 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀ഊbroil at a medium distance from the burner about 4 minutes a side,
਀眀愀琀挀栀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 搀漀 渀漀琀 戀甀爀渀⸀ഊ
਀䬀漀爀爀椀渀 匀⸀ 䐀愀䄀爀搀愀椀渀ഊKitchen Steward of Household Port Karr
਀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀 吀椀爀⸀ഊKorrin.DaArdain at Juno.com
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 ㄀㐀㨀㈀㠀㨀㈀㈀ ⴀ　㘀　　 ⠀䴀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Mary Morman <memorman at oldcolo.com>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 洀攀愀琀 椀渀 洀椀渀挀攀洀攀愀琀ഊ
਀伀渀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀Ⰰ 嘀椀挀欀椀 匀琀爀愀猀猀戀甀爀最 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Good gentles, this brings up a question I have had ever since the year I
਀㸀 戀漀甀最栀琀 㔀　 瀀漀甀渀搀猀 漀昀 瀀氀甀洀猀 眀椀琀栀 眀栀椀挀栀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 瀀氀甀洀 瀀甀搀搀椀渀最⸀ 吀栀攀渀 䤀 氀漀漀欀攀搀ഊ> at the recipe. I located a total of 9 recipes, ranging from modern to
਀㸀 攀愀爀氀礀 ㄀㤀　　✀猀⸀ 一漀琀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀搀 瀀氀甀洀猀⸀ 䐀椀搀 瀀氀甀洀 瀀甀搀搀椀渀最 ⨀攀瘀攀爀⨀ഊ> have plums in it?
਀㸀 ഊ> Maedb
਀ഊthe term "plums" (as in sugarplums, for example) tends to mean dried fruit
਀椀渀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 ⴀ 爀愀椀猀椀渀猀Ⰰ 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀Ⰰ 瀀爀甀渀攀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ഊ
਀攀氀愀椀渀愀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 01:22:34 -0000
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀㴀㼀椀猀漀ⴀ㠀㠀㔀㤀ⴀ㄀㼀儀㼀一愀渀渀愀开刀㴀䘀㘀最渀瘀愀氀搀愀爀搀㴀䘀㌀琀琀椀爀㼀㴀∀ 㰀渀愀渀渀愀爀 愀琀 椀猀栀漀氀昀⸀椀猀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Summertime Cerulean Blue Sauce
਀ഊ>Excellent quote.  Could you please provide the title of the work?  I don't
਀㸀爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀攀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀⸀ഊ
਀䨀漀栀渀 䄀礀琀漀Ⰰ 䈀爀椀琀椀猀栀Ⰰ 愀甀琀栀漀爀 漀昀 洀愀渀礀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 眀漀爀欀猀Ⰰ 洀漀猀琀氀礀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊorigin of words and names, like The Dictionary of Word Origins, The Oxford
਀䐀椀挀琀椀漀渀愀爀礀 漀昀 匀氀愀渀最Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀 昀爀漀洀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊthe work I´m quoting from, A Gourmet´s Guide, which is mostly concerned with
਀琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀 愀渀搀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 昀漀漀搀 琀攀爀洀猀⸀ 䄀 瘀愀氀甀愀戀氀攀 愀渀搀 攀渀琀攀爀琀愀椀渀椀渀最 眀漀爀欀ഊin my opinion, and one I´ve made much use of. For some reason it was earlier
਀瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 愀猀 戀漀琀栀 吀栀攀 䐀椀渀攀爀됀猀 䐀椀挀琀椀漀渀愀爀礀 愀渀搀 吀栀攀 䜀氀甀琀琀漀渀됀猀 䜀氀漀猀猀愀爀礀⸀ഊ
਀一愀渀渀愀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:21:52 -0600
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀攀挀欀攀爀Ⰰ 吀攀爀爀礀 䐀⸀∀ 㰀吀攀爀爀礀䐀 愀琀 䠀攀愀氀琀栀⸀匀琀愀琀攀⸀伀䬀⸀唀匀㸀ഊSubject: RE: SC - Dried Currants
਀ഊ> M'lord Ras,  I am a little confused here because I thought currants _were_
਀㸀 搀爀椀攀搀⸀  䠀漀眀 挀愀渀 漀渀攀 栀愀瘀攀 搀爀椀攀搀 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀 琀栀攀渀㼀 㨀ⴀ⤀ഊ>
਀㸀 䤀 眀漀渀搀攀爀 椀昀 琀栀攀 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀 眀攀 甀猀攀 椀渀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 椀渀 䈀爀椀琀愀椀渀 愀氀猀漀 娀愀渀琀攀 爀愀椀猀椀渀猀㼀ഊ>
਀㸀 䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 搀漀 猀甀氀琀愀渀愀猀 昀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 愀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀㼀ഊ>
਀㸀 䔀氀礀猀愀渀琀ഊ
਀䌀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀爀攀 娀愀渀琀攀 爀愀椀猀椀渀猀 愀爀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 搀爀椀攀搀⸀  䌀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀ഊfruit of genus Ribes may be fresh or dried.  Cultivation of Ribes is limited
਀戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀礀 猀攀爀瘀攀 愀猀 愀 栀漀猀琀 昀漀爀 眀栀椀琀攀ⴀ瀀椀渀攀 戀氀椀猀琀攀爀 爀甀猀琀 ⠀䌀爀漀渀愀爀琀椀甀洀ഊribicola).  Sultanas are a small yellow seedless raisin originating in Asia
਀䴀椀渀漀爀⸀ഊ
਀䈀攀愀爀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:33:33 EST
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 吀漀氀氀栀愀猀攀㄀ 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: SC -found recipe apple orange tart
਀ഊWent through my stuff.  The Recipe came from The Good Huswifes Handmaid for
਀䌀漀漀欀攀爀椀攀 椀渀 栀攀爀 䬀椀琀挀栀攀渀 ⠀㄀㔀㠀㠀⤀⸀  䤀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 渀攀琀⸀ഊThe original redaction is by Gretchen Miler (Margaret
਀䴀愀挀搀甀椀戀栀猀栀椀琀攀⤀最爀洀⬀ 愀琀 愀渀搀爀攀眀Ⰰ挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀ഊ
਀昀漀爀 愀 琀愀爀琀攀 漀昀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 漀爀愀渀最攀 瀀椀氀氀攀猀⸀  琀愀欀攀 礀漀甀爀 漀爀攀渀最攀猀 愀渀搀 氀愀礀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀ഊwater a day and a night, then seeth them in faire water and honey and let
਀猀攀攀琀栀 琀椀氀氀 琀栀攀礀 戀攀 猀漀昀琀㬀  琀栀攀渀 氀攀琀 琀栀攀洀 猀漀愀欀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀椀爀爀漀瀀 愀 搀愀礀 愀渀搀 愀 渀椀最栀琀㨀ഊThen take forth and cut them small and then make your tart and season your
਀愀瀀瀀氀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 猀甀最愀爀Ⰰ 猀礀渀愀洀漀渀 愀渀搀 最椀渀最攀爀 愀渀搀 瀀甀琀  椀渀 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 戀甀琀琀愀爀 愀渀搀 氀愀礀 愀ഊcourse of apples and between the same course of apples a course of orenges and
਀猀漀Ⰰ 挀漀甀爀猀攀 戀礀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀攀愀猀漀渀 礀漀甀爀 漀爀攀渀最攀猀 愀猀 礀漀甀 猀攀愀猀漀渀攀搀 礀漀甀爀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀 眀椀琀栀ഊsomewhat more sugar, and lay on the lid and put it in the oven and when it is
਀愀氀洀漀猀琀 戀愀欀攀搀Ⰰ 琀愀欀攀 刀漀猀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 猀甀最愀爀 愀渀搀 戀漀礀氀攀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 琀椀氀氀 椀琀  戀攀ഊsomewhat thick, then take out the Tart. and take a feather and spread the
਀爀漀猀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 猀甀最愀爀 漀渀 琀栀攀 氀椀琀 愀渀搀 氀攀琀 椀琀 渀漀琀 戀甀爀渀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 愀洀 瀀愀爀愀瀀栀爀愀猀椀渀最 栀攀爀 爀攀搀愀挀琀椀漀渀 戀攀氀漀眀㨀ഊ
਀㤀∀  瀀椀攀 挀爀甀猀琀 眀椀琀栀 氀椀搀⸀ഊ6 medium oranges.  I used Valencia oranges, through though temple oranges,
਀戀氀漀漀搀 漀爀愀渀最攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 匀攀瘀椀氀氀攀 漀爀愀渀最攀猀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 愀氀氀 眀漀爀欀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀  䈀漀琀栀ഊBitter(seville) and sweet oranges were available during the 16th c.  Don"t
਀甀猀攀 一愀瘀攀氀 漀爀愀渀最攀猀㨀 琀栀攀 猀欀椀渀猀 愀爀攀 琀漀漀 琀栀椀挀欀⸀ഊ
਀䘀漀甀爀 挀甀瀀猀 眀愀琀攀爀ഊ1 1/3 cup honey
਀㄀㐀 猀洀愀氀氀 䴀愀挀椀渀琀漀猀栀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀⸀  䄀渀礀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 愀瀀瀀氀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 搀漀⸀ഊ1 cup sugar
਀㄀ 琀猀瀀⸀ 挀椀渀渀愀洀漀渀ഊ1/2 tsp. ginger
਀㈀ 吀戀猀⸀ 爀漀猀攀眀愀琀攀爀ഊ1 Tbs. sugar
਀ഊSoak oranges in water 24 hours.  Put honey and water used to soak oranges to
਀戀漀椀氀 椀渀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 猀愀甀挀攀 瀀愀渀⸀  匀椀洀洀攀爀 甀渀琀椀氀 猀欀椀渀猀 愀爀攀 猀漀昀琀⸀  圀栀攀渀 猀漀昀琀Ⰰ 瀀氀愀挀攀ഊoranges, Pour syrup over oranges and store for another 24 hours.  Add water
਀琀漀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 挀漀瘀攀爀 漀爀愀渀最攀猀⸀ഊ
਀圀栀攀渀 爀攀愀搀礀 琀漀 戀愀欀攀⸀  倀爀攀栀攀愀琀 漀瘀攀渀 琀漀 䘀 ㌀㔀　⸀  匀氀椀挀攀 漀爀愀渀最攀猀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀ഊseeds.  If the syrup has not completely saturated the rinds, boil the slices
਀椀渀 琀栀攀 猀礀爀甀瀀 甀渀琀椀氀 猀愀琀甀爀愀琀攀搀⸀  䌀栀漀瀀 琀栀攀 漀爀愀渀最攀猀 椀渀琀漀 猀洀愀氀氀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀椀砀 椀渀ഊ1/3 cup sugar, 1/2 tsp. cinnamon, and 1/4 tsp. ginger.  Peel, core and quarter
਀愀瀀瀀氀攀猀Ⰰ 洀椀砀 眀椀琀栀 爀攀洀愀椀渀椀渀最 猀甀最愀爀Ⰰ 挀椀渀渀愀洀漀渀 愀渀搀 最椀渀最攀爀⸀  倀氀愀挀攀 氀愀礀攀爀 漀昀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀ഊat bottom, then a layer or oranges.  Continue until full.  Put on lid, bake
਀昀漀爀 漀渀攀 栀漀甀爀⸀ഊ
਀䄀瀀砀 ㄀　 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀 瀀爀椀漀爀 琀漀 戀攀椀渀最 搀漀渀攀 洀椀砀 猀甀最愀爀 愀渀搀 爀漀猀攀眀愀琀攀爀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 猀礀爀甀瀀 愀渀搀ഊput on 5 mins prior to finish baking.
਀ഊTollhase comments:
਀ഊI found that this recipe worked quite well, Although I found that I did indeed
਀栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 戀漀椀氀 琀栀攀 漀爀愀渀最攀猀 琀漀 最攀琀 琀栀攀洀 猀愀琀甀爀愀琀攀搀⸀  倀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 愀猀 猀栀攀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀ഊskins were too thick.
਀ഊFor feast (making lots of these) I plan on altering the recipe slightly.  I
਀眀椀氀氀 甀猀攀 䴀愀爀洀愀氀愀搀攀 椀渀猀琀攀愀搀 漀昀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 漀爀愀渀最攀猀 愀渀搀 猀攀愀猀漀渀 琀栀攀洀 眀椀琀栀 栀漀渀攀礀⸀ഊI will cut up a couple of oranges per pie and mix with the marmalade.  I use
਀瀀漀眀搀攀爀 昀漀爀琀攀 琀漀 琀愀猀琀攀⸀  吀栀愀琀 洀攀愀渀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 愀 琀愀戀氀攀猀瀀漀漀渀 漀爀 洀漀爀攀⸀  䤀 瀀氀愀渀 漀渀ഊpreassembling them and then vacuum sealing them.  Bake them on site.  Still
਀昀攀攀氀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 猀洀攀氀氀 漀昀 昀爀攀猀栀 戀愀欀椀渀最 瀀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 戀爀攀愀搀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 洀愀欀攀猀 漀渀攀 栀甀渀最爀礀⸀ഊ
਀䰀漀爀搀 䘀爀攀搀攀爀椀挀栀 䠀漀氀猀琀攀椀渀 搀攀爀 吀漀氀氀栀愀猀攀⸀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:51:06 EDT
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 吀䠀䰀刀攀渀愀琀愀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: SC - query: Elizabethan jams
਀ഊtyrca at yahoo.com writes:
਀㰀㰀 伀渀攀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀甀最栀琀 洀礀 攀礀攀 眀愀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 ∀䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀愀渀 樀攀氀氀椀攀猀∀ 椀渀ഊ jars on one shelf.  They had (as I remember) Lemon Curd and Honey,
਀ 伀爀愀渀最攀 䌀甀爀搀Ⰰ 儀甀椀渀挀攀 愀渀搀 刀漀猀攀 倀攀琀愀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀ഊ of right now.  On the label, it gives a -very- brief pseudo-history of
਀ 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 椀琀攀洀Ⰰ 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 ⠀眀椀琀栀 焀甀椀渀挀攀⤀ 琀栀攀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀愀渀猀ഊ thought of the quince as the fruit Adam and Eve ate in the Garden of
਀ 䔀搀攀渀⸀ഊ
਀ 一漀眀 洀礀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀⸀  䠀愀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 琀爀椀攀搀 琀栀攀猀攀㼀  䄀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 琀爀甀氀礀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀愀渀㼀ഊ Are these items that would be found on Elizabeth's table?>>
਀ഊLemon and Orange Curds are, unfortunately (because they are yummy!), a 19th
਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 椀渀瘀攀渀琀椀漀渀⸀ 儀甀椀挀攀猀 愀渀搀 爀漀猀攀 瀀攀琀愀氀猀 眀攀爀攀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀琀漀 樀愀洀 椀渀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀愀渀ഊtimes, but not IIRC together.  Fruits preserved in various textures in sugar
਀眀攀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀 椀渀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀愀渀 琀椀洀攀猀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊFlorilegium (did I spell it right?) on this very topic.  I think they're in
਀琀栀攀 匀眀攀攀琀猀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ
਀䤀✀瘀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 琀爀椀攀搀 琀栀攀 䌀漀猀琀 倀氀甀猀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ ✀挀愀甀猀攀 洀礀 猀攀洀椀ⴀ氀漀挀愀氀 漀渀攀 漀渀氀礀ഊcarries the Curds, and I prefer to get my curds at Trader Joe's.
਀ഊRenata
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㄀㠀 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㠀㨀㐀㤀㨀㐀㌀ ⴀ　　　　ഊFrom: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nanna_R=F6gnvaldard=F3ttir?=" <nannar at isholf.is>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 吀漀洀愀琀漀攀猀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀渀漀眀昀椀爀攀 愀琀 洀愀椀氀⸀猀渀攀琀⸀渀攀琀 㰀猀渀漀眀昀椀爀攀 愀琀 洀愀椀氀⸀猀渀攀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊ>I'm wondering then, if they called so many things apples, if the word
਀㸀∀愀瀀瀀氀攀∀ 漀爀 椀琀✀猀 攀焀甀椀瘀愀氀攀渀琀 椀渀 漀琀栀攀爀 氀愀渀最甀愀最攀猀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 栀愀搀 愀 戀爀漀愀搀攀爀ഊ>meaning like "round edible thing that is probably a vegetable" or
਀㸀猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最㼀ഊ
਀夀漀甀 愀爀攀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀ 䴀漀猀琀 猀漀甀琀栀攀爀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀 氀愀渀最甀愀最攀猀 搀漀 渀漀琀Ⰰ 漀爀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀ഊoriginally at least, distinguish clearly between "apple" and "fruit". Melon
਀椀渀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 䜀爀攀攀欀 洀攀愀渀琀 戀漀琀栀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 愀渀搀 昀爀甀椀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 䰀愀琀椀渀 眀漀爀搀 瀀漀洀甀洀 ⠀琀栀攀ഊsource of the French word "pomme") also could mean apple or fruit.
਀倀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 氀椀琀攀爀愀氀氀礀 洀攀愀渀猀 ∀愀瀀瀀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 洀愀渀礀 猀攀攀搀猀∀ 愀渀搀 椀渀ഊthe Scandinavian languages it is still called grenate apple (granatepli in
਀䤀挀攀氀愀渀搀椀挀⤀⸀ 吀栀攀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀 渀愀洀攀 昀漀爀 愀渀 漀爀愀渀最攀 氀椀琀攀爀愀氀氀礀 洀攀愀渀猀 ∀愀瀀瀀氀攀 昀爀漀洀 䌀栀椀渀愀∀ഊ(Apfelsine) and this has been carried over into the Scandinavian languages
਀愀氀猀漀⸀ഊ
਀䄀渀搀 椀渀 䤀挀攀氀愀渀搀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 渀漀 昀爀甀椀琀猀 最爀攀眀 愀渀搀 渀漀渀攀 眀攀爀攀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀攀搀Ⰰ 攀椀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀礀ഊfruit was liable to be called apple - it was probably the only fruit most
਀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀愀搀 攀瘀攀渀 栀攀愀爀搀 漀昀 戀甀琀 昀攀眀 栀愀搀 攀瘀攀爀 猀攀攀渀⸀ഊ
਀一愀渀渀愀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:35:19 +0100
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀伀甀最栀琀漀渀Ⰰ 䬀愀爀椀渀 ⠀䜀䔀䤀匀Ⰰ 吀椀爀氀愀渀⤀∀ 㰀䬀愀爀椀渀⸀伀甀最栀琀漀渀 愀琀 最攀椀猀⸀最攀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: RE: SC - Apple breeds?
਀ഊ> From: HICKS, MELISSA [SMTP:HICKS_M at casa.gov.au]
਀㸀 匀漀洀攀 昀爀椀攀渀搀猀 漀昀 洀椀渀攀 栀愀瘀攀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 戀漀甀最栀琀 愀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀琀礀⼀昀愀爀洀 椀渀 爀甀爀愀氀 嘀椀挀琀漀爀椀愀Ⰰഊ> Australia.  They sent the following request for information on "period"
਀㸀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀攀猀⸀  䌀愀渀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 栀攀爀攀 猀甀瀀瀀氀礀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 椀渀昀漀 漀爀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 猀漀洀攀ഊ> avenues of research for them?
਀㸀ഊ> Meliora.
਀㸀ഊ> > ----------
਀㸀 㸀 䘀爀漀洀㨀       䬀椀洀 ☀ 䤀愀渀 匀琀愀渀氀攀礀ⴀ䔀礀氀攀猀嬀匀䴀吀倀㨀栀攀愀琀栀攀渀 愀琀 琀瀀最⸀挀漀洀⸀愀甀崀ഊ> > To:         Meliora & Drake
਀㸀 㸀ഊ> > In the furtherance of our rural & mediaeval activities, we are thinking
਀㸀 㸀 漀昀 瀀氀愀渀琀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 琀爀攀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 漀爀挀栀愀爀搀 昀爀漀洀 漀甀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ⠀漀爀ഊ> > thereabouts) and ask if you have any information on these.
਀㸀 㸀ഊ> > Autumn Permain syn Summer Permain late 1500's England
਀㸀 㸀 䌀漀甀爀琀 倀攀渀搀甀 倀氀愀琀 猀礀渀 圀椀猀攀 䄀瀀瀀氀攀 瀀氀甀猀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 瀀爀攀ⴀ㄀㔀　　 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀ഊ> > Devonshire Quarrenden pre-1678 England possibly from France
਀㸀 㸀 䘀攀渀漀甀椀氀氀攀琀 䜀爀椀猀 猀礀渀 䌀愀爀爀愀眀愀礀 刀甀猀猀攀琀 ㄀㘀　㠀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀ഊ> > Golden Harvey syn Brandy Apple 1600's England (Herts.)
਀㸀 㸀 䜀爀愀瘀攀渀猀琀攀椀渀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 匀挀栀氀攀猀眀椀最ⴀ䠀漀氀猀琀攀椀渀 瀀爀攀ⴀ㄀㘀㘀㜀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 䤀琀愀氀礀ഊ> > Issac Newton's Tree (original tree unknown) c.1660 England (Lincs.)
਀㸀 㸀 䰀漀渀搀漀渀 倀椀瀀瀀椀渀 猀礀渀 䘀椀瘀攀 䌀爀漀眀渀 ㄀㔀㠀　 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀ഊI have the perfect answer for you, AND it keeps it in the family ; ) My
਀昀愀琀栀攀爀 椀渀 氀愀眀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 搀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䈀爀漀最搀愀氀攀 吀爀甀猀琀 ⠀ 愀 挀栀愀爀椀琀礀⤀ Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀ഊhold the UK gene banks for apples, pears, plums, cherries, vines etc etc
਀攀琀挀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀䜀攀爀爀礀 猀愀椀搀 栀攀 栀愀搀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 㐀㔀　　 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀 漀昀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 琀爀攀攀猀 漀渀ഊsite. They can provide information, seminars, root stock - you name it. They
਀栀愀瘀攀 愀 眀攀戀 猀椀琀攀 愀琀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀戀爀漀最搀愀氀攀⸀漀爀最⸀甀欀⼀  ⴀ 琀栀攀礀 爀甀渀 愀 洀愀椀氀 漀爀搀攀爀ഊservice etc. I don't know about the legalities of importing stock into
਀䄀甀猀琀爀愀氀椀愀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀✀洀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 栀攀氀瀀⸀ 䤀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 樀甀猀琀 戀爀漀眀猀椀渀最 琀栀爀漀甀最栀ഊtheir mail order service .......
਀ഊAnd as an aside - if any one is looking for an interesting plum to plant,
਀琀栀攀 ∀琀爀愀渀猀瀀愀爀攀渀琀 最愀最攀∀ 最攀琀猀 洀礀 瘀漀琀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 戀椀稀愀爀爀攀 昀爀甀椀琀 ⠀栀漀瀀攀氀攀猀猀ഊfor storage though ) - it forms this beautiful huge fruit which is
਀琀爀愀渀猀瀀愀爀攀渀琀 ⴀ 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀渀 猀栀椀渀攀猀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 猀攀攀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀渀攀 椀渀 椀琀 攀琀挀Ⰰഊand when you bite, it just bursts in your mouth with an explosion of
਀昀氀愀瘀漀甀爀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀栀愀瘀攀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 眀椀瀀攀猀 漀渀 栀愀渀搀 㨀⤀ഊ
਀䬀愀爀椀渀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:18:01 EDT
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 吀䠀䰀刀攀渀愀琀愀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: SC - Elinor Fettiplace's Jam Recipe
਀ഊElinor Fettiplace's Receipt Book has a wonderful jam recipe (page 128 for
਀琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 漀眀渀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀⤀㨀ഊ
਀吀漀 倀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀 倀氀甀洀猀 漀爀 䜀漀漀猀攀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀ഊTake to every pound of plums a pound of sugar, then beat it smal, & put so
਀洀甀挀栀 眀愀琀攀爀 琀漀 椀琀 愀猀  眀椀氀氀 眀攀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 戀漀礀氀攀 琀椀氀氀 椀琀 戀攀攀 猀甀最愀爀 愀最愀椀渀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 瀀甀琀ഊin the plums, & let them boile very softlie, till they be doone, then when
਀琀栀攀礀 戀攀攀 挀漀氀搀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 甀瀀Ⰰ 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 戀攀最椀渀 琀漀 最爀漀眀 琀栀攀渀 猀攀琀 琀栀攀洀 眀栀攀爀攀 昀椀爀攀椀猀ഊin a cupboard; you may doe respis this way & gooseberries, but you must boyle
਀琀栀攀洀 瘀攀爀椀攀 猀漀昀琀 Ⰰ ☀ 渀漀琀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀 甀瀀 琀椀氀氀 琀栀攀礀 戀攀攀 挀漀氀搀Ⰰ ☀ 氀椀欀攀眀椀猀攀 洀愀礀ഊCherries bee doone as your gooseberries & respis.
਀ഊHilary Spurling has redacted the recipe:
਀ഊMoisten the sugar with as little water as possible, say a quarter to half a
਀瀀椀渀琀 瀀攀爀 瀀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 瀀甀琀 椀琀 椀渀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 琀栀椀挀欀ⴀ戀漀琀琀漀洀攀搀 瀀愀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀琀椀爀 椀琀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀ഊgentlest possible heat without boiling until it is dissolved. "Boyle till it
਀戀攀攀 猀甀最愀爀 愀最愀椀渀攀∀ 洀攀愀渀猀 戀漀椀氀 琀栀攀 猀礀爀甀瀀 栀愀爀搀 甀渀琀椀氀 椀琀 爀攀愀挀栀攀猀 眀栀愀琀 挀漀漀欀猀 漀昀ഊthe period call "candie height" (240 degrees F, 115 degrees C on a sugar
਀琀栀攀爀洀漀洀攀琀攀爀⤀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 椀琀 眀椀氀氀 挀栀爀礀猀琀愀氀椀稀攀 椀昀 礀漀甀 戀攀愀琀 椀琀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 ⠀琀栀椀猀 椀猀 刀攀渀愀琀愀 愀最愀椀渀⤀ 栀愀瘀攀 洀愀搀攀 琀栀椀猀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 琀椀洀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀礀 漀昀 昀爀甀椀琀ഊand it's scary but it works. You end up with a pan full of hot rock candy,
਀琀栀攀渀 樀甀猀琀 搀甀洀瀀 礀漀甀爀 昀爀甀椀琀 椀渀 愀渀搀 氀攀琀 椀琀 猀椀琀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 氀漀眀攀猀琀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 栀攀愀琀⸀ഊThe juice from the fruit re-melts the sugar, and needs an occassional stir
਀愀渀搀⼀漀爀 挀栀椀瀀瀀椀渀最 猀甀最愀爀 愀眀愀礀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 猀椀搀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀愀渀⸀ഊ
਀䈀礀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 琀栀攀 猀甀最愀爀 栀愀猀 琀漀琀愀氀氀礀 爀攀洀攀氀琀攀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 樀愀洀 椀猀 爀攀愀搀礀 琀漀 猀攀琀 ⠀琀攀猀琀ഊthis by putting a drop on a cold plate and pushing it -- if it forms a skin
਀琀栀愀琀 眀爀椀渀欀氀攀猀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 爀攀愀搀礀 琀漀 猀攀琀⤀ 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 攀瘀攀爀 戀漀椀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 昀爀甀椀琀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀ഊimproves the flavor.
਀ഊThe resulting jam is wonderful, and a hot water bath is not necessary, as the
਀栀椀最栀 猀甀最愀爀 挀漀渀琀攀渀琀 欀攀攀瀀猀 琀栀攀 樀愀洀 昀爀漀洀 猀瀀漀椀氀椀渀最⸀ഊ
਀刀攀渀愀琀愀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:27:16 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀攀挀欀攀爀Ⰰ 吀攀爀爀礀 䐀⸀∀ 㰀吀攀爀爀礀䐀 愀琀 䠀攀愀氀琀栀⸀匀琀愀琀攀⸀伀䬀⸀唀匀㸀ഊSubject: RE: SC - Berries
਀ഊ> A friend here in Sweden wonders if rhubarb, gooseberries and raspberries
਀㸀 愀爀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ⴀ 搀漀攀猀 愀渀礀戀漀搀礀 欀渀漀眀㼀ഊ>
਀㸀 䰀愀搀礀 唀琀愀Ⰰ 一漀爀搀洀愀爀欀ഊ
਀刀栀甀戀愀爀戀 ⠀刀栀甀攀洀 爀栀甀戀愀爀戀愀爀甀洀Ⰰ 攀琀 愀氀⸀⤀ 眀愀猀 欀渀漀眀渀 椀渀 䄀渀琀椀焀甀椀琀礀⸀  吀栀攀 眀漀爀搀ഊrhubarbe was first used in English about 1390.  There are several members of
਀琀栀攀 最攀渀甀猀 刀栀甀攀洀 栀椀搀椀渀最 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 爀栀甀戀愀爀戀 渀愀洀攀⸀  䜀漀漀猀攀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀 ⠀刀椀戀攀猀ഊuva-crispa) are European and have been used since the Neolithic.
਀刀愀猀瀀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀 愀爀攀 戀漀琀栀 一攀眀 愀渀搀 伀氀搀 圀漀爀氀搀⸀  吀栀攀 戀愀猀椀挀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀 猀琀漀挀欀 椀猀 刀甀戀甀猀ഊideaus.
਀ഊBear
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㈀㈀ 䄀甀最 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㤀㨀㄀㔀㨀　㐀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䈀攀爀爀椀攀猀ഊ
਀㸀 䈀攀愀爀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> >Rhubarb (Rhuem rhubarbarum, et al.) was known in Antiquity.  The word
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਀㸀 䈀甀琀 眀愀猀 椀琀 甀猀攀搀 愀猀 昀漀漀搀㼀 䔀瘀攀爀礀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 䤀됀瘀攀 挀漀渀猀甀氀琀攀搀 猀愀礀猀 琀栀攀 爀漀漀琀猀 眀攀爀攀ഊ> valued for their medical uses, and the stalks maybe used for making rhubarb
਀㸀 猀礀爀甀瀀Ⰰ 愀最愀椀渀 昀漀爀 洀攀搀椀挀愀氀 甀猀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀氀欀猀 眀攀爀攀渀됀琀 甀猀攀搀 愀猀 昀漀漀搀 甀渀琀椀氀ഊ> much later - not until about 1800 in England, even later in some other
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਀㸀 一愀渀渀愀ഊ
਀䜀攀爀愀爀搀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 戀攀 攀愀琀攀渀 氀椀欀攀 猀瀀椀渀愀挀栀⸀  䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀ഊrecommended as the leaves contain concentrated oxalic and can be lethal.  It
਀愀氀猀漀 戀漀搀攀猀 椀氀氀 昀漀爀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 愀渀礀 爀栀甀戀愀爀戀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 戀攀礀漀渀搀 琀栀漀猀攀 昀漀爀 瀀甀爀最愀琀椀瘀攀⸀ഊOf course this wasn't in the notes I was using with my reference library far
਀愀眀愀礀⸀ഊ
਀䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 圀愀瘀攀爀氀礀 刀漀漀琀Ⰰ 爀栀甀戀愀爀戀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 欀渀漀眀渀 椀渀 䌀栀椀渀愀 愀猀 攀愀爀氀礀 愀猀ഊ2700 B.C.E. as a medicine, which would give a few thousand years to turn it
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਀刀漀漀琀 愀氀猀漀 猀甀最最攀猀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 爀栀甀戀愀爀戀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 攀愀琀攀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䔀愀猀琀Ⰰഊbased on a 13th quote by Ibn el-Beithar that rhubarb was "very common in
਀匀礀爀椀愀 愀渀搀 倀攀爀猀椀愀 ⸀ ⸀ ⸀ 氀椀欀攀 挀栀愀爀搀Ⰰ 椀琀 栀愀猀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 琀栀椀挀欀 猀琀愀氀欀猀⸀∀ഊCircuitously, Root points out that the plant Ibn el-Beithar commented upon
਀椀猀 刀栀甀攀洀 爀椀戀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀 爀栀甀戀愀爀戀 ⠀戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 椀琀 琀愀猀琀攀猀 氀椀欀攀 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀猀⤀⸀ഊ
਀匀漀Ⰰ 渀漀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 爀栀甀戀愀爀戀 瀀椀攀 昀漀爀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀⸀ഊ
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਀ഊDate: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:01:21 EDT
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䰀爀搀刀愀猀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Medlars and Sorb Apples 
਀ഊsheltons at conterra.com writes:
਀㰀㰀 䌀愀渀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 椀猀渀✀琀 栀漀爀琀椀挀甀氀琀甀爀愀氀氀礀 椀洀瀀愀椀爀攀搀 攀砀瀀氀愀椀渀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 猀琀椀氀氀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀搀愀礀㼀 㸀㸀ഊ
਀匀漀爀戀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 愀爀攀 愀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀礀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 最爀漀眀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 圀攀渀搀猀Ⰰ 愀ഊSlavic people that inhabited East Germany, but I have been unable to verify
਀琀栀椀猀 椀渀昀漀⸀ 䜀椀瘀攀渀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀搀 椀猀 洀漀猀琀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 愀 戀愀猀椀猀 昀漀爀 猀漀爀戀Ⰰ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 瘀攀渀琀甀爀攀 琀漀ഊguess that it also is a type of crab apple.
਀ഊRas
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ 㘀 匀攀瀀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㜀㨀　㘀㨀　㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䴀攀搀氀愀爀猀 愀渀搀 匀漀爀戀 䄀瀀瀀氀攀猀ഊ
਀匀漀爀戀猀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 昀爀甀椀琀 漀昀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 琀爀攀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 最攀渀甀猀 匀漀爀戀甀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊrose family.  S. domestica and S. torminalis are commonly referred to a
਀猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 琀爀攀攀猀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀攀 戀爀漀眀渀 昀爀甀椀琀⸀  匀⸀ 愀甀挀甀瀀愀爀椀愀 椀猀 愀 爀漀眀愀渀 愀渀搀 栀愀猀ഊorange-red berries.  I think the sorb apple may be the fruit of the service
਀琀爀攀攀⸀ഊ
਀䈀攀愀爀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 14:34:35 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀攀渀渀⼀夀愀渀愀 㰀樀搀洀椀氀氀攀爀㈀ 愀琀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀猀⸀眀椀猀挀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Pickled Cherries are Russian?
਀ഊBonne of Traquair wrote:
਀㸀攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 琀栀椀猀 猀甀洀洀攀爀 䤀 瀀漀猀琀攀搀 爀攀㨀 洀礀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最 瀀椀挀欀氀攀搀 挀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀 愀渀搀ഊ>making a drink syrup with the leftover pickled vinegar.  Someone stated that
਀㸀琀栀攀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀搀 挀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 愀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 搀椀猀栀 椀渀 刀甀猀猀椀愀⸀ 䤀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 洀漀爀攀ഊ>information on that if the person is still around, or if anyone else has
਀㸀栀攀愀爀搀 琀栀椀猀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀愀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 洀攀℀  䤀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 挀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 椀渀 猀礀爀甀瀀猀 愀渀搀ഊin kvas in period, but I'm still looking for a vinegar-type preserving
਀琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀⸀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 开䐀漀洀漀猀琀爀漀椀开 ⠀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀渀氀礀⤀㨀ഊ
਀瀀㄀㔀㈀ 䌀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀 椀渀 猀礀爀甀瀀ഊ
਀瀀㄀㔀㐀 倀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀 瀀攀愀爀猀 愀渀搀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀 椀渀 猀礀爀甀瀀 愀渀搀 椀渀 欀瘀愀猀Ⰰ 戀攀爀爀礀 漀爀 挀爀愀渀戀攀爀爀礀ഊjuice.  General admonishment to preserve fruit--fallen apples, cucumbers,
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਀瀀㄀㔀㔀 ∀⸀⸀⸀瀀甀琀 渀甀琀洀攀最 椀渀 漀渀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 戀愀最Ⰰ 挀氀漀瘀攀猀 椀渀 愀 猀攀挀漀渀搀Ⰰ 戀攀渀攀昀椀挀椀愀氀 栀攀爀戀猀ഊin a third...warm these on the stove and mix them with the mead...mix
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਀匀漀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 礀攀琀 眀椀琀栀 挀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀 椀渀 愀 瘀椀渀攀最愀爀ⴀ瀀椀挀欀氀椀渀最ഊsolution, just sweet brine or syrup and possibly a salt brine.  But as the
਀瀀爀攀瘀椀漀甀猀 瀀漀猀琀攀爀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ 瀀椀挀欀氀攀搀 挀栀攀爀爀椀攀猀 开愀爀攀开 愀 开琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀开  昀漀漀搀⸀ഊ
਀夀愀渀愀 ⠀䤀氀礀愀渀愀 䈀愀爀猀漀瘀愀⤀  樀搀洀椀氀氀攀爀㈀ 愀琀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀猀⸀眀椀猀挀⸀攀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 21:01:23 GMT
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䈀漀渀渀攀 漀昀 吀爀愀焀甀愀椀爀∀ 㰀漀昀琀爀愀焀甀愀椀爀 愀琀 栀漀琀洀愀椀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: SC - Re: fruit vinegar drinks
਀ഊAoife said:
਀㸀䴀礀 戀爀漀琀栀攀爀 栀愀猀 猀漀洀攀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 挀漀氀漀渀椀愀氀 椀渀 渀愀琀甀爀攀⸀ 氀攀琀 洀攀ഊ>contact him and see if he has something earlier. He got interested from my
਀㸀攀砀瀀攀爀椀洀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀✀猀 猀渀漀眀戀愀氀氀攀搀⸀ 吀爀甀琀栀 椀猀Ⰰ 䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 搀漀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 猀漀 氀漀渀最ഊ>that I've forgotten my sources. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
਀ഊI just found this last night, it's just a mention, not a recipe.  Does
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਀∀䔀氀椀渀漀爀 䘀攀琀琀椀瀀氀愀挀攀✀猀 刀攀挀攀椀瀀琀 䈀漀漀欀 ⴀ 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀愀渀 䌀漀甀渀琀爀礀 䠀漀甀猀攀 䌀漀漀欀椀渀最∀ⰀഊHilary Spurling, pg 209
਀∀䰀愀搀礀 䘀攀琀琀椀瀀氀愀挀攀 洀愀搀攀 愀 氀椀焀甀漀爀 昀爀漀洀 攀焀甀愀氀 瀀愀爀琀猀 眀栀椀琀攀 眀椀渀攀 愀渀搀 眀栀椀琀攀 眀椀渀攀ഊvinegar, boiled together with sugar, in which 'To keepe Barberries all the
਀礀攀愀爀攀✀⸀∀ഊ
਀䈀愀爀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀 愀爀攀 搀攀昀椀渀攀搀 漀渀 瀀愀最攀 ㄀㤀㤀㨀ഊ"Barberries which, according toe Grieve's Herbal, are so sour even birds
਀搀爀愀眀 琀栀攀 氀椀渀攀 愀琀 攀愀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 眀攀爀攀 漀昀琀攀渀 愀搀搀攀搀 琀漀 氀漀眀ⴀ愀挀椀搀 搀爀愀戀ⴀ挀漀氀漀甀爀攀搀ഊfruits like pears or peeled quinces where a modern recipe would recommend
਀氀攀洀漀渀 漀爀 爀攀搀挀甀爀爀愀渀琀 樀甀椀挀攀⸀  ⸀⸀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 愀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 昀爀甀椀琀Ⰰ 琀椀渀礀Ⰰ 搀爀漀瀀ⴀ猀栀愀瀀攀搀Ⰰഊcoral-coloured, turning a clear ruby red when cooked; ..."
਀ഊshe goes on to say that the wild ones - Berberis vulgaris-have been almost
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਀猀甀最最攀猀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 漀渀攀 瀀氀愀渀琀 愀 爀漀眀 漀昀 漀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀愀氀 䈀攀爀戀攀爀椀猀 圀椀氀猀漀渀愀攀⸀ഊ
਀伀渀 瀀愀最攀 ㈀　㠀 猀栀攀 猀甀最最攀猀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀渀 挀爀愀渀戀攀爀爀礀 眀愀猀 氀椀欀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀ഊcolonists because it reminded them of the highly prized barberry.
਀ഊSo, that places the general idea of sour berries pickled in a vinegar syrup
਀椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀㘀　　 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 挀氀漀猀攀猀琀 䤀✀瘀攀 挀漀洀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀ഊpickled fruit syrup as a drink concentrate.  How useful that is depends upon
਀礀漀甀爀 漀眀渀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 䤀✀洀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀洀攀渀琀椀渀最 漀渀 眀栀攀渀 挀爀愀渀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀ഊshow up in the stores.
਀ഊ>Oops, just remembered that the Miscellany (Cariadoc) has several under
਀㸀匀攀欀愀渀樀甀戀椀渀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 漀昀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀琀 愀氀猀漀 猀琀愀琀攀猀 挀愀渀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 昀爀漀洀 愀渀礀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 昀爀甀椀琀⸀ഊ
਀䤀✀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 挀栀攀挀欀 琀栀愀琀 愀最愀椀渀Ⰰ 䤀 洀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 洀椀猀猀攀搀 椀琀⸀  吀栀攀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀 昀椀氀攀ഊon jalabs has mention of these drinks, that's what started me off.  But
਀琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 渀漀琀 攀瘀攀渀 瘀愀最甀攀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 搀椀搀 瀀氀愀挀攀 洀礀 挀栀攀爀爀礀 猀礀爀甀瀀 愀渀搀 猀攀欀愀渀樀愀戀椀渀 愀渀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀琀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀搀ഊcherries themselves out at the Pearl's review. My documentation was
਀戀愀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀 愀 猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 䤀✀搀 猀攀攀渀 椀琀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 戀甀琀 栀愀搀渀✀琀 昀椀爀洀氀礀 瀀椀渀渀攀搀 椀琀ഊdown, and I wrote down the Dara goldstein's statement from 'A Taste of
਀刀甀猀猀椀愀✀ 爀攀㨀 倀攀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 䜀爀攀愀琀 戀爀椀渀最椀渀最 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 瀀椀挀欀氀攀搀 昀爀甀椀琀 戀愀挀欀 昀爀漀洀ഊHolland.  One Pearl, actually made a comment on the paper that was left for
਀琀栀愀琀 瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀⸀  一漀 挀爀椀琀椀挀椀猀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀愀挀欀 漀昀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 愀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀ഊthat the idea of drinking vinegar bothered him, but actually both tasted
਀瀀爀攀琀琀礀 最漀漀搀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 搀椀猀愀瀀瀀漀椀渀琀椀渀最 瀀愀爀琀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 挀栀攀爀爀礀 猀礀爀甀瀀 椀猀 愀氀氀 最漀渀攀 渀漀眀⸀ 㨀ⴀ⠀ഊ
਀䈀漀渀渀攀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:39:18 -0000
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀㴀㼀椀猀漀ⴀ㠀㠀㔀㤀ⴀ㄀㼀儀㼀一愀渀渀愀开刀㴀䘀㘀最渀瘀愀氀搀愀爀搀㴀䘀㌀琀琀椀爀㼀㴀∀ 㰀渀愀渀渀愀爀 愀琀 椀猀栀漀氀昀⸀椀猀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Are Kumquats period
਀ഊLorix wrote:
਀㸀䘀椀爀猀琀氀礀Ⰰ 愀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀昀 猀漀Ⰰ 栀漀眀 眀漀甀氀搀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀ഊ
਀吀栀攀礀 挀愀洀攀 昀爀漀洀 䌀栀椀渀愀 愀渀搀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 欀渀漀眀渀 椀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀攀 ㄀㜀琀栀ഊcentury; the name was then spelled camquit or cumquat (from Cantonese kam
਀欀眀愀琀Ⰰ 最漀氀搀攀渀 漀爀愀渀最攀⤀⸀ 䤀됀洀 渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 琀漀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀ഊthen or if they were only known from travelogues.
਀ഊNanna
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㠀 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 　㘀㨀㔀㠀㨀㌀㔀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䄀爀攀 愀瀀爀椀挀漀琀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㨀  眀愀猀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 䬀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀⼀倀攀愀爀猀ഊ
਀䰀漀爀椀砀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> I had thought that I had seen period recipes for apricots though :-)
਀ഊYou probably have. There are Apician recipes calling for them, as I
਀爀攀挀愀氀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀 昀攀眀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀愀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀愀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀洀⸀ 䤀ഊwonder if perhaps they didn't travel well enough to end up in Northern
਀䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀 渀漀琀 椀渀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:44:55 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀愀瘀椀搀 昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀 㰀搀搀昀爀 愀琀 戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Are apricots period:  was Period Kinds of apples/Pears
਀ഊAt 6:58 AM -0400 10/28/99, Philip & Susan Troy wrote:
਀㸀䰀漀爀椀砀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> > I had thought that I had seen period recipes for apricots though :-)
਀㸀ഊ>You probably have. There are Apician recipes calling for them, as I
਀㸀爀攀挀愀氀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀 昀攀眀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀愀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀愀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊ
਀䄀渀搀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䤀猀氀愀洀椀挀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀⸀ 䴀椀猀栀洀椀猀栀椀礀愀Ⰰ 昀爀漀洀ഊal-Baghdadi, is one we are fond of.
਀ഊDavid/Cariadoc
਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀搀搀昀爀⼀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:37:13 -0400
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀渀最椀攀 䴀愀氀漀渀攀 㰀愀氀洀㐀 愀琀 挀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Period Kinds of apples/Pears
਀ഊI have a copy of a volume of two pamphlets, called the Fruit Variety
਀刀攀最椀猀琀攀爀 ㄀㔀㠀　ⴀ㄀㘀　　Ⰰ 戀礀 匀琀甀愀爀琀 倀攀愀挀栀攀礀⸀  嘀漀氀 ㄀ 椀猀 䄀瀀瀀氀攀猀 ⴀ 䴀甀氀戀攀爀爀礀Ⰰ 嘀漀氀⸀ ㈀ഊis Nectarins-Walnuts.
਀ഊ  Some varieties that I have seen for sale in current times that are listed
਀椀渀 琀栀椀猀 戀漀漀欀 愀爀攀㨀ഊ
਀   倀椀瀀瀀椀渀猀⸀ ⠀琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 洀愀渀礀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 欀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 倀椀瀀瀀椀渀猀ⴀⴀ爀攀搀Ⰰ 礀攀氀氀漀眀 愀渀搀ഊgreen)
਀ഊ   Greenings
਀ഊI think both of these can be used as cooking apples.  I know you are all
਀眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 眀栀攀爀攀 䤀 猀愀眀 琀栀攀猀攀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 愀搀洀椀琀 椀琀 戀攀愀琀猀 琀栀攀 搀愀礀氀椀最栀琀猀 漀甀琀 漀昀ഊme, since we spend the fall picking up large quantities of 'storables for
਀眀椀渀琀攀爀✀ 椀渀 愀 戀甀渀挀栀 漀昀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀⸀  䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 椀洀愀最椀渀攀 椀琀 眀愀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀ഊthose fruit stand sort of places that are currently selling large
਀焀甀愀渀琀椀琀椀攀猀 漀昀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀甀洀瀀欀椀渀猀Ⰰ 猀焀甀愀猀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀渀椀漀渀猀⸀  䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 挀栀攀挀欀 眀椀琀栀 愀渀礀ഊlocal orchards in your area, if there are any.
਀ഊI did a search on the net for Greening apples and found out there is a page
਀搀攀搀椀挀愀琀攀搀 琀栀攀  琀栀攀 刀栀漀搀攀 䤀猀氀愀渀搀 最爀攀攀渀椀渀最 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 ✀挀爀攀愀琀攀搀 椀渀 ㄀㜀㤀㘀✀⸀ഊHere's the url for a better description:
਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀漀漀搀⸀攀瀀椀挀甀爀椀漀甀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀挀开瀀氀愀礀⼀挀　㐀开瘀椀挀琀甀愀氀⼀愀瀀瀀氀攀猀⼀爀栀漀搀攀椀猀氀愀渀搀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ
਀䤀 愀氀猀漀 猀攀愀爀挀栀攀搀 昀漀爀 瀀椀瀀瀀椀渀 栀攀爀攀✀猀 琀栀攀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀ഊdescribed as an all purpose apple:
਀ഊhttp://www.food.epicurious.com/c_play/c04_victual/apples/pippin.html
਀ഊI forgot to look yesterday when we visited Och's Orchard in Warwick, NY (we
਀眀攀渀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 昀漀爀 匀琀愀礀洀攀渀 圀椀渀攀猀愀瀀猀⤀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 愀搀洀椀琀 䤀 栀愀爀搀氀礀 攀瘀攀爀 戀甀礀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀瀀攀爀洀愀爀欀攀琀⸀  吀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀猀ഊI ever buy in the supermarket are Braeburn apples, they are currently my
਀昀愀瘀漀爀椀琀攀 攀愀琀椀渀最 愀瀀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 眀椀渀攀猀愀瀀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 挀爀椀猀瀀 愀渀搀 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀ഊsour which was really tasty.
਀ഊAs far as Pears go, Russets was the only modern Pear name that I remember.
਀ഊAngeline
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 䴀愀礀 ㈀　　　 ㈀㈀㨀㌀　㨀　　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: Nick Sasso <grizly at mindspring.com>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 倀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀 猀攀攀搀ഊ
਀䐀攀愀挀漀渀 䌀 匀眀攀瀀猀琀漀渀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<<<SNIP>>>  The fruit was wonderful fresh.  Much more sharp/tart than
਀㸀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀爀攀 戀漀甀最栀琀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀礀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀猀攀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 爀攀搀⸀  吀栀攀礀✀爀攀 洀漀爀攀ഊ> yellowish/orangish.
਀㸀                    䴀攀氀甀猀椀渀攀ഊ
਀䴀愀礀栀愀瀀猀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 戀椀琀琀攀爀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀礀 眀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀爀攀 猀攀氀氀猀 愀 猀眀攀攀琀ഊvariety.  Platina (?) or someone refers to two or three types of
਀瀀漀洀攀最爀愀渀愀琀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 猀眀攀攀琀 愀渀搀 猀漀甀爀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀⸀  䌀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 眀漀爀琀栀ഊchecking out; they'll have different uses I suspect.
਀ഊniccolo difrancesco
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㤀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　　 ㄀　㨀㔀㐀㨀㄀㌀ ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Jenne Heise <jenne at tulgey.browser.net>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䰀䤀䤀圀䔀䔀䬀㨀  䘀爀甀椀琀猀 漀昀 圀愀爀洀 䌀氀椀洀愀琀攀猀ഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 眀漀爀欀 洀愀礀 漀爀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 戀攀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀 甀猀攀 琀漀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀猀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀猀ഊlie in the southern half of Europe:
਀ഊReviewed in LIIWEEK:
਀∀    䘀爀甀椀琀猀 漀昀 圀愀爀洀 䌀氀椀洀愀琀攀猀 ⴀഊ    http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/index.html 
਀        吀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀 昀甀氀氀 琀攀砀琀 漀昀 愀 瀀爀椀渀琀 琀椀琀氀攀⸀ 匀瀀攀挀椀攀猀 愀爀攀 氀椀猀琀攀搀 戀礀ഊ        common name under the botanical family name. Each
਀        攀渀琀爀礀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀猀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 椀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 漀爀椀最椀渀 愀渀搀ഊ        distribution, varieties, climate, soil, propagation, culture,
਀        瀀攀猀琀猀Ⰰ 搀椀猀攀愀猀攀猀Ⰰ 栀愀爀瘀攀猀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 氀椀昀攀 漀昀 瀀氀愀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 猀琀漀爀愀最攀Ⰰഊ        food uses, toxicity, other uses, and ornamental value. By
਀        䨀甀氀椀愀 䘀⸀ 䴀漀爀琀漀渀Ⰰ 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀 ㄀㤀㠀㜀⸀∀ഊ
਀䨀愀搀眀椀最愀 娀愀樀愀挀稀欀漀眀愀Ⰰ 洀欀愀 䨀攀渀渀椀昀攀爀 䠀攀椀猀攀ऀ      樀攀渀渀攀 愀琀 琀甀氀最攀礀⸀戀爀漀眀猀攀爀⸀渀攀琀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:52:29 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀攀挀欀攀爀Ⰰ 吀攀爀爀礀 䐀⸀∀ 㰀吀攀爀爀礀䐀 愀琀 䠀攀愀氀琀栀⸀匀琀愀琀攀⸀伀䬀⸀唀匀㸀ഊSubject: RE: SC - guava
਀ഊThe origin of the name guava is the word guayaba, which I think is either
਀䌀愀爀椀戀 漀爀 䄀爀愀眀愀欀Ⰰ 猀甀最最攀猀琀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀 椀猀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 猀漀甀琀栀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀ഊBahamas. 
਀ഊWhile guavas are commercially grown in Florida and California, I don't
਀戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 渀愀琀椀瘀攀 琀漀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 愀爀攀愀⸀ഊ
਀䤀昀 琀栀攀 最甀愀瘀愀 洀愀搀攀 愀渀 攀愀爀氀礀 搀攀戀甀琀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 爀攀挀漀爀搀攀搀 戀礀 䜀漀渀稀愀氀攀猀ഊFernando de Oviedo y Valdez in his Historia general y natural de las Indias,
਀䤀猀氀愀猀 礀 吀椀攀爀爀愀ⴀ䘀椀爀洀攀 搀攀氀 䴀愀爀 伀挀攀愀渀漀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀 吀漀氀攀搀漀 椀渀 ㄀㔀㈀㘀⸀ഊThere is an early 20th Century Spanish edition of the book and there was
਀猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀搀氀礀 愀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀 搀漀渀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀 ㄀㤀㠀　✀猀⸀ഊ
਀䌀漀洀攀 琀漀 琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 椀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 最甀愀瘀愀 洀愀礀 戀攀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䐀椀愀爀椀漀 漀昀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀漀瀀栀攀爀ഊColumbus.  I'll have to check when I get home.
਀ഊBear
਀ഊ> Bear wrote in response to Olwen:
਀㸀 ഊ> >Guava is a tropical New World fruit found in the Caribbean  islands.  So, it
਀㸀 㸀椀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 甀猀攀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀 愀昀琀攀爀 伀挀琀漀戀攀爀Ⰰ ㄀㐀㤀㈀⸀ഊ> 
਀㸀 圀漀甀氀搀 椀琀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 戀攀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䰀甀挀愀礀漀猀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀ഊ> Bahamas? I don't actually remember reading its name there, but
਀㸀 䤀✀瘀攀 渀漀琀 猀愀琀 搀漀眀渀 愀渀搀 挀氀漀猀攀氀礀 攀砀愀洀椀渀攀搀 攀瘀攀爀礀 瀀愀最攀 渀漀爀 瘀攀爀椀昀椀攀搀ഊ> the veracity of the book itself. It might be worth a look, though.
਀㸀 ഊ> Iasmin
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㘀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　　 ㈀　㨀㐀㈀㨀㌀㠀 ⬀　㄀　　ഊFrom: TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 最甀愀瘀愀ഊ
਀㰀㰀 䤀昀 琀栀攀 最甀愀瘀愀 洀愀搀攀 愀渀 攀愀爀氀礀 搀攀戀甀琀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 爀攀挀漀爀搀攀搀 戀礀 䜀漀渀稀愀氀攀猀ഊFernando de Oviedo y Valdez in his Historia general y natural de las
਀䤀渀搀椀愀猀Ⰰ 䤀猀氀愀猀 礀 吀椀攀爀爀愀ⴀ䘀椀爀洀攀 搀攀氀 䴀愀爀 伀挀攀愀渀漀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀ഊToledo in 1526. >> (Bear)
਀ഊGeorg Friederici, in his "Amerikanistisches Wˆrterbuch", gives several
਀焀甀漀琀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀椀猀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 眀漀爀欀猀 漀昀 伀瘀椀攀搀漀 礀 嘀愀氀搀攀猀 ⠀∀氀愀 最甀愀礀愀戀愀Ⰰ 攀猀 洀甀礀ഊlinda fruta y apetitosa") and from various other early sources from 1520
਀漀渀眀愀爀搀猀⸀ 䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 䘀爀椀攀搀攀爀椀挀椀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀 椀猀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 ∀䤀渀猀攀氀ⴀ䄀爀甀愀欀猀ⰀഊInsel- u. Festland-Karaiben, Tupis", then the Spaniards spread the fruit
਀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀渀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀 ⠀猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀攀搀 椀渀 猀漀洀攀 搀攀琀愀椀氀 漀渀 瀀⸀ഊ283).
਀ഊThomas
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㘀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　　 ㄀㐀㨀㄀㈀㨀㔀㜀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 最甀愀瘀愀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 ㄀㔀㈀　 搀愀琀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 挀漀椀渀挀椀搀攀渀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 攀砀瀀氀漀爀愀琀漀爀礀 瘀漀礀愀最攀猀 愀氀漀渀最ഊthe Brazilian coast (Cabral in 1500 and Correa in 1509).  The Arawaks
਀椀渀栀愀戀椀琀攀搀 愀渀 愀爀攀愀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䜀甀椀愀渀愀 挀漀愀猀琀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 䜀爀攀愀琀攀爀 䄀渀琀椀氀氀攀猀 眀栀椀氀攀ഊthe Tupis inhabit the Lower Amazon Basin.  If it was the Spanish who spread
਀琀栀攀 最甀愀瘀愀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 洀漀爀攀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀栀攀 昀爀甀椀琀 挀愀洀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䄀爀愀眀愀欀猀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 吀甀瀀椀猀⸀ഊ
਀䈀攀愀爀ഊ
਀㸀 愀渀搀 昀爀漀洀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 漀琀栀攀爀 攀愀爀氀礀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 ㄀㔀㈀　ഊ> onwards. According to Friederici, the origin is with the "Insel-Aruaks,
਀㸀 䤀渀猀攀氀ⴀ 甀⸀ 䘀攀猀琀氀愀渀搀ⴀ䬀愀爀愀椀戀攀渀Ⰰ 吀甀瀀椀猀∀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 匀瀀愀渀椀愀爀搀猀 猀瀀爀攀愀搀 琀栀攀 昀爀甀椀琀ഊ> and the word from there in other places (specified in some detail on p.
਀㸀 ㈀㠀㌀⤀⸀ഊ> 
਀㸀 吀栀漀洀愀猀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:15:14 -0400
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䜀愀礀氀椀渀 䨀⸀ 圀愀氀氀椀∀ 㰀最眀愀氀氀椀 愀琀 瀀琀挀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - guava and the Lucayos
਀ഊ>I'll try to check my copy of the Lucayos tonight after I return home and
਀㸀眀攀 挀愀渀 挀漀洀瀀愀爀攀 琀漀洀漀爀爀漀眀⸀ഊ
਀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 䤀 挀栀攀挀欀攀搀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀 愀渀搀 最甀愀瘀愀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀⸀ഊIt occurs to be that no many people have even heard of this
਀戀漀漀欀⸀ 䤀 爀攀挀攀椀瘀攀搀 愀 瀀栀漀琀漀挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀愀最攀猀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 氀愀甀爀攀氀ഊwho didn't know anything about it other than someone had
਀猀攀渀琀 栀攀爀 琀栀椀猀 挀漀瀀礀⸀ഊ
਀䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀栀漀琀漀挀漀瀀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 椀猀ഊpurportedly a 300-year-old manuscript brought along to the
਀䈀愀栀愀洀愀猀 愀氀漀渀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀椀攀猀琀 猀攀琀琀氀攀爀猀⸀ 䴀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀ഊin the book are written in terms of things to preserve. The
਀瀀栀漀琀漀挀漀瀀礀 栀愀猀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 搀愀琀攀 漀昀 ㄀㘀㘀　 戀甀琀 椀琀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀ഊmuch older. The Editor listed on the reprint is "Borden Clarke"
਀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀爀Ⰰ 昀爀漀洀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 挀愀渀 琀攀氀氀Ⰰ 椀猀 ∀伀氀搀 䄀甀琀栀漀爀 䘀愀爀洀猀∀⸀ഊ
਀䄀渀礀漀渀攀 攀瘀攀爀 栀攀愀爀搀 漀昀 椀琀 戀攀猀椀搀攀猀 洀攀㼀 䌀愀渀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 挀漀渀昀椀爀洀 琀栀攀ഊveracity of the book itself? It's got the etymological tone of
਀愀 渀攀愀爀ⴀ瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 琀漀 戀攀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 昀椀渀搀 愀渀礀ഊhistory on the book at all, even online.
਀ഊIasmin de Cordoba, gwalli at ptc.com or iasmin at home.com
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　　 ㄀㌀㨀　㤀㨀㔀　 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 最甀愀瘀愀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䰀甀挀愀礀漀猀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 䰀甀挀愀礀漀猀 椀猀 搀攀爀椀瘀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀 渀愀洀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䈀愀栀愀洀愀猀Ⰰ 䰀漀猀ഊCayos.
਀ഊA quick web search turned up one hit in the Margaret P. Hess Pamphlet
਀䌀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 愀琀 琀栀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀最愀爀礀⸀  吀栀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 氀椀猀琀攀搀㬀 吀栀攀 䰀甀挀愀礀漀猀ഊcook book, Morrisburg, Ont., Old Authors Farm, 1959; 95 pgs.
਀ഊOther than that, there doesn't seem to be any information readily available.
਀䐀漀攀猀 琀栀攀 瀀愀洀瀀栀氀攀琀 瀀攀漀瘀椀搀攀 愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 挀氀甀攀猀㼀ഊ
਀䈀攀愀爀ഊ
਀㸀 䄀渀礀漀渀攀 攀瘀攀爀 栀攀愀爀搀 漀昀 椀琀 戀攀猀椀搀攀猀 洀攀㼀 䌀愀渀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 挀漀渀昀椀爀洀 琀栀攀ഊ> veracity of the book itself? It's got the etymological tone of
਀㸀 愀 渀攀愀爀ⴀ瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 琀漀 戀攀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 昀椀渀搀 愀渀礀ഊ> history on the book at all, even online.
਀㸀 ഊ> Iasmin
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㠀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　　 ㄀㈀㨀　㜀㨀㌀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 最甀愀瘀愀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䰀甀挀愀礀漀猀ഊ
਀䌀栀爀椀猀琀漀瀀栀攀爀 䌀漀氀甀洀戀甀猀✀ 䐀椀愀爀礀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 最甀愀瘀愀⸀ഊ
਀䈀攀愀爀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:28:27 -0700 (PDT)
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䠀甀攀琀琀攀 瘀漀渀 䄀栀爀攀渀猀 㰀愀栀爀攀渀猀栀愀瘀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - guava and the Lucayos
਀ഊ- --- TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE> wrote:
਀㸀 䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀挀漀瀀愀挀⸀愀挀⸀甀欀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䈀漀搀氀攀椀愀渀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀 栀愀猀 愀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊ> Lucayos cookbook; see the Copac database for the short title etc.; but
਀㸀 渀漀琀栀椀渀最 礀漀甀 搀漀 渀漀琀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 欀渀漀眀Ⰰ 䤀 最甀攀猀猀⸀ഊ> 
਀㸀 吀栀⸀ഊ
਀夀攀猀 琀栀椀猀 戀漀漀欀㨀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 䰀甀挀愀礀漀猀 挀漀漀欀 戀漀漀欀 㨀 戀攀椀渀最 愀渀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 洀愀渀甀猀挀爀椀瀀琀  ഊ... found in the Bahamas,  kept for 30 years to  
਀琀攀猀琀ⴀ爀攀昀椀渀攀Ⰰ 昀爀漀洀 䄀⸀䐀⸀ ㄀㘀㘀　 琀漀 ㄀㘀㤀　Ⰰ 戀礀 愀 渀漀戀氀攀  ഊfamily  of Elizabethan England ... containing some  
਀㈀㘀　 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀愀爀欀愀戀氀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀愀渀搀 昀漀爀洀甀氀愀猀 昀漀爀  ഊall manner of cookery ... . -- Nassau, Bahamas : Old  
਀䄀甀琀栀漀爀猀䘀愀爀洀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㔀㤀⸀                                    ഊ48 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. 
਀ഊis in the Bodlean.  It is also in:
਀ഊLibrary of Congress
਀唀渀椀瘀攀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䤀漀眀愀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀ഊNew York Public Library
਀唀渀椀瘀⸀ 漀昀 䘀氀漀爀椀搀愀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀ഊUniv. of California, Berkeley Library
਀䰀漀猀 䄀渀最攀氀攀猀 䌀椀琀礀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀ഊBrown Univerity Library
਀ഊIt appears to be rather post-period.
਀ഊHuette
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㤀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　　 ㈀㌀㨀㈀㘀㨀㈀㘀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: harper at idt.net
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䈀愀欀攀搀 愀瀀瀀氀攀猀ഊ
਀匀漀爀爀礀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 眀栀漀 愀猀欀攀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀⸀  䜀爀愀渀愀搀漀 搀漀攀猀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 ഊrecipe for baked quinces, which can also be made with apples.  It's 
਀椀渀猀椀搀攀 愀 瀀愀猀琀爀礀 挀爀甀猀琀Ⰰ 猀漀 洀愀礀戀攀 椀琀✀猀 挀氀漀猀攀爀 琀漀 愀渀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 搀甀洀瀀氀椀渀最⸀  䤀 ഊdon't have time right now to translate it, but here's the gist:
਀栀愀氀昀ⴀ爀漀愀猀琀 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 漀渀 愀 猀瀀椀琀Ⰰ 眀爀愀瀀瀀攀搀 椀渀 戀甀琀琀攀爀攀搀 瀀愀瀀攀爀⸀  䌀漀爀攀 椀琀Ⰰ ഊfill the hole with cow's butter or marrow, sugar, cinnamon, and a 
਀眀栀漀氀攀 挀氀漀瘀攀⸀  倀甀琀 椀渀猀椀搀攀 愀 瀀愀猀琀爀礀 挀爀甀猀琀 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 眀栀椀琀攀 昀氀漀甀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀琀攀爀Ⰰ ഊand egg yolks.  Bake and then serve hot or cold.  The recipe calls 
਀琀栀椀猀 愀 琀愀爀琀氀攀琀 ⠀瀀愀猀琀攀氀氀椀琀漀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀愀礀猀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 戀漀砀 ⠀氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 ഊSpanish equivalent of "coffin") just big enough for the apple, so it 
਀洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 洀漀爀攀 氀椀欀攀 愀渀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀椀搀甀愀氀 瀀椀攀 琀栀愀渀 愀 眀爀愀瀀瀀攀搀 搀甀洀瀀氀椀渀最⸀ഊ
਀䈀爀椀最栀椀搀Ⰰ 戀甀猀礀 洀愀欀椀渀最 瀀攀愀挀栀 瀀椀琀猀 琀漀 戀爀椀渀最 琀漀 䔀䬀唀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀䰀愀搀礀 䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 渀椀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀椀渀ഊSettmour Swamp, East (NJ)
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㈀ 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　　 ㄀㔀㨀㈀㜀㨀　㤀 ⬀㄀㄀　　ഊFrom: "Lee-Gwen Booth" <piglet006 at globalfreeway.com.au>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䌀漀挀漀渀甀琀猀 椀渀 倀攀爀椀漀搀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 爀愀椀猀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 栀漀甀猀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀猀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀ഊin SCA period in Europe.  I have done some major searches on-line and have
਀挀漀洀攀 甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 昀愀挀琀猀㨀ഊ
਀㄀⤀ 椀渀 ㄀㈀㠀　 琀栀攀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀 椀猀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀挀漀 倀漀氀漀 眀栀漀 挀愀氀氀猀 椀琀 愀渀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀ഊNut;
਀㈀⤀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 昀椀爀猀琀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 愀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀 戀礀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 攀砀瀀氀漀爀攀爀猀 椀渀 ㄀㔀㔀㔀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀ഊindentations on the base of the nut resembled monkey (coco meaning either
਀洀漀渀欀攀礀 漀爀 洀漀渀欀攀礀 昀愀挀攀Ⰰ 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 眀栀椀挀栀⸀ഊ
਀䜀眀礀渀礀搀搀 ഊ
਀ഊDate: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:01:14 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀愀渀椀攀氀 倀栀攀氀瀀猀∀ 㰀瀀栀攀氀瀀猀搀 愀琀 最愀琀攀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - Coconuts in Period
਀ഊThe first "Western mention I know of the coconut was in 545 A.D. by Cosmos
਀䤀渀搀椀挀漀瀀氀攀甀猀琀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀 䔀最礀瀀琀椀愀渀 洀漀渀欀 眀栀漀 瘀椀猀椀琀攀搀 眀攀猀琀攀爀渀 䤀渀搀椀愀 愀渀搀 䌀攀礀氀漀渀⸀  䤀渀ഊhis Topographia Christians, he describes it as the "great nut of India."
਀䴀愀爀挀漀 倀漀氀漀 椀渀 ㄀㈀㠀　 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 椀琀 最爀漀眀椀渀最 椀渀 匀甀洀愀琀爀愀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䴀愀搀爀愀猀 愀渀搀 䴀愀氀愀戀愀爀ഊin India, calling it nux indica, the Indian nut.  The first detailed Western
਀搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀 瀀愀氀洀 眀愀猀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀 攀砀瀀氀漀爀攀爀ഊLodovico di Varthema in his Itinerario in 1510, where he referred to it as
਀琀攀渀最愀⸀  吀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 挀漀挀漀猀 椀猀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 搀攀爀椀瘀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀 眀漀爀搀ഊ"coco" meaning "monkey face."  This was derived by the Spanish and
਀倀漀爀琀甀最甀攀猀攀 攀砀瀀氀漀爀攀爀猀 椀洀愀最椀渀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 椀渀渀攀爀 渀甀琀✀猀 琀栀爀攀攀 猀瀀漀琀猀 氀漀漀欀攀搀 氀椀欀攀ഊa monkey face.
਀ഊI've seen pictures of 16th century footed goblets the bowl of which was a
਀瀀漀氀椀猀栀攀搀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀⸀  䘀漀爀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 渀甀琀猀 挀栀攀挀欀 漀甀琀ഊ"The Book of Edible Nuts" by Fredrick Rosengarten, Jr.  I have a signed
਀挀漀瀀礀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 戀漀漀欀⸀ഊ
਀䐀愀渀椀攀氀 刀愀漀甀氀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:53:28 -0600
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀刀䄀一䐀䄀䰀䰀 䐀䤀䄀䴀伀一䐀∀ 㰀爀椀渀最漀昀欀椀渀最猀 愀琀 洀椀渀搀猀瀀爀椀渀最⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: : SC - Coconuts in Period
਀ഊGwynydd asks:
਀㸀吀栀攀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 爀愀椀猀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 栀漀甀猀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀猀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀ഊ>in SCA period in Europe.  I have done some major searches on-line and have
਀㸀挀漀洀攀 甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 昀愀挀琀猀㨀ഊ
਀㸀㄀⤀ 椀渀 ㄀㈀㠀　 琀栀攀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀 椀猀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀挀漀 倀漀氀漀 眀栀漀 挀愀氀氀猀 椀琀 愀渀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀ഊ>Nut;
਀㸀㈀⤀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 昀椀爀猀琀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 愀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀 戀礀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 攀砀瀀氀漀爀攀爀猀 椀渀 ㄀㔀㔀㔀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀ഊ>indentations on the base of the nut resembled monkey (coco meaning either
਀㸀洀漀渀欀攀礀 漀爀 洀漀渀欀攀礀 昀愀挀攀Ⰰ 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 眀栀椀挀栀⸀ഊ
਀∀䌀漀挀漀∀ 椀渀 戀漀琀栀 匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀 愀渀搀 倀漀爀琀甀最甀攀猀攀  氀愀渀最甀愀最攀猀 猀椀最渀椀昀椀攀猀 愀 最爀椀渀渀椀渀最ഊface.  Cocos nucifera (coconut) was first noted by the Portuguese in India
਀愀渀搀 眀愀猀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀琀栀攀 一甀琀 漀昀 䤀渀搀椀愀∀ 戀礀 洀愀渀礀 攀愀爀氀礀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀ഊPortuguese historian Oviedo Y Valdes (1478-1557) notes in La General y natural
਀栀椀猀琀漀爀椀愀 搀攀 氀愀猀 䤀渀搀椀愀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最㨀  ✀吀栀椀猀 昀爀甀琀攀 眀愀猀 挀愀甀氀攀搀 䌀漀挀甀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀ഊcause, that, when it is taken from the place where it cleaueth there are seen
਀琀眀漀 栀漀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀戀漀甀攀 琀栀攀洀 琀眀漀 漀琀栀攀爀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀氀 栀漀氀攀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 愀氀琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 搀漀漀ഊrepresent the gesture and fygure of the cattes called Mammone, that is,
਀洀甀渀欀攀礀猀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 挀爀礀攀㨀 眀栀椀挀栀 挀礀爀攀 琀栀攀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀猀 挀愀甀氀攀 ✀挀漀挀愀✀⸀✀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀 攀愀爀氀礀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀愀渀 琀椀洀攀猀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀 猀栀攀氀氀猀 眀攀爀攀 挀愀爀瘀攀搀 攀氀愀戀漀爀愀琀攀氀礀 愀渀搀ഊmounted in silver gilt frames as goblets and commemmorative pieces.  The
਀攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 漀渀攀猀 漀渀 愀 琀爀甀洀瀀攀琀 戀愀猀攀 愀猀 昀氀愀最漀渀猀⸀   䤀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 搀漀甀戀琀昀甀氀 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀 琀栀愀琀ഊthe coconut was in sufficient supply in period other than its use in oddity
਀瀀椀攀挀攀猀⸀  䌀甀氀椀渀愀爀礀 甀猀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀琀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 椀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ഊ
਀䄀欀椀洀 夀愀爀漀猀氀愀瘀椀挀栀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:55:08 -0600
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀攀挀欀攀爀Ⰰ 吀攀爀爀礀 䐀⸀∀ 㰀吀攀爀爀礀䐀 愀琀 䠀攀愀氀琀栀⸀匀琀愀琀攀⸀伀䬀⸀唀匀㸀ഊSubject: RE: : SC - Coconuts in Period
਀ഊAkim, this is interesting because, IIRC, Gonzales Fernandez de Oviedo y
਀嘀愀氀搀攀猀 椀猀 匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 焀甀漀琀攀搀 椀猀 ∀䠀椀猀琀漀爀椀愀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 礀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀 搀攀 氀愀猀ഊIndias, Islas y Tierra-Firme del Mar Oceano," a text on the West Indies,
਀漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀 ㄀㔀㈀㘀⸀ഊ
਀䤀昀 琀栀攀 焀甀漀琀攀 椀猀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 伀瘀椀攀搀漀 椀猀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀 挀漀愀猀琀Ⰰഊbecause coconut palms occurred only on the west coast of South and Central
਀䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀 愀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀椀洀攀⸀ഊ
਀䈀攀愀爀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:03:36 -0600
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀攀挀欀攀爀Ⰰ 吀攀爀爀礀 䐀⸀∀ 㰀吀攀爀爀礀䐀 愀琀 䠀攀愀氀琀栀⸀匀琀愀琀攀⸀伀䬀⸀唀匀㸀ഊSubject: RE: : SC - Coconuts in Period
਀ഊI see I might be misunderstood.  Coconuts in the New World occurred only on
਀琀栀攀 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀 挀漀愀猀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 戀攀攀渀 挀愀爀爀椀攀搀 琀栀攀爀攀 戀礀 眀椀渀搀猀 愀渀搀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀ഊyet having been domesticated.
਀ഊBear
਀ഊ> If the quote is correct, then Oviedo is commenting on the Pacific coast,
਀㸀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀 瀀愀氀洀猀 漀挀挀甀爀爀攀搀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 眀攀猀琀 挀漀愀猀琀 漀昀 匀漀甀琀栀 愀渀搀 䌀攀渀琀爀愀氀ഊ> America at that time.
਀㸀 ഊ> Bear
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㌀ 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　　 ㄀㠀㨀㄀㈀㨀㈀㔀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Daniel Phelps" <phelpsd at gate.net>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䌀漀挀漀渀甀琀猀 椀渀 倀攀爀椀漀搀ഊ
਀圀愀猀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀㨀ഊ>Coconuts in the New World occurred only on
਀㸀琀栀攀 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀 挀漀愀猀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 戀攀攀渀 挀愀爀爀椀攀搀 琀栀攀爀攀 戀礀 眀椀渀搀猀 愀渀搀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀ഊ>yet having been domesticated.
਀ഊOdd historical note regards Palm Beach, Florida.  Legend has it called so
਀戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀 瀀愀氀洀猀 最爀攀眀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀  䰀攀最攀渀搀 猀愀礀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀 挀愀爀最漀 瘀攀猀猀攀氀 眀椀琀栀ഊcoconuts aboard sank off shore and the coconuts were washed ashore and grew.
਀吀栀椀猀 漀挀挀甀爀爀攀搀 椀渀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 漀爀 ㄀㜀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 椀昀 䤀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀ഊcorrectly what I read.  Coconuts were apparently available in Colonial
਀䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀 戀礀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀⸀ഊ
਀刀漀猀攀渀最愀爀琀攀渀 眀爀椀琀攀猀 爀攀最愀爀搀猀 琀栀攀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀猀 漀爀椀最椀渀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 挀氀攀愀爀氀礀 漀爀最椀渀愀琀攀搀 椀渀ഊthe Pacific Ocean but that there are two theories; an Old World and a New
਀圀漀爀氀搀 漀渀攀⸀  䤀琀 椀猀 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 挀氀攀愀爀Ⰰ 愀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 栀椀洀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 眀攀氀氀ഊestablished on the Pacific coast of Panama before the first Spanish
਀攀砀瀀氀漀爀攀爀猀 最漀琀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀  倀愀氀攀漀戀漀琀愀渀椀挀愀氀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 昀漀猀猀椀氀 挀漀挀漀渀甀琀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀ഊlate Tertiary exists in New Zealand.  The strongest theory in his estimation
਀瀀漀猀琀甀氀愀琀攀猀 愀 眀攀猀琀攀爀渀 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀 漀爀 攀愀猀琀攀爀渀  䤀渀搀椀愀渀 伀挀攀愀渀 漀爀椀最椀渀 眀椀琀栀 愀 最爀愀搀甀愀氀ഊeast and west spread either naturally via ocean currents or by man.  Vasco
਀搀愀 䜀愀洀愀 椀渀 ㄀㐀㤀㠀 昀漀甀渀搀 椀琀 椀渀 䴀漀稀愀洀戀椀焀甀攀 椀渀 䔀愀猀琀 䄀昀爀椀挀愀⸀  䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀ഊRosegarten, "It is generally agreed that the coconut was not found in the
਀䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀挀 伀挀攀愀渀 戀愀猀椀渀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 倀漀爀琀甀最甀攀猀攀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 椀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀昀琀攀爀 ㄀㔀　　Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀ഊthey introduced the palm to West Africa and Brazil.  In the early sixteenth
਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 琀栀攀 匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀 挀愀爀爀椀攀搀 椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䌀愀爀椀戀戀攀愀渀⸀∀  䠀攀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 猀琀愀琀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀ഊwas rapidly spread throughout the Caribbean and South America.
਀ഊDaniel Raoul
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀　㨀㔀㐀㨀㌀㄀ ⴀ　㠀　　ഊFrom: lilinah at earthlink.net
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䘀爀甀椀琀 儀甀攀爀礀ഊ
਀䰀愀搀礀 䰀甀挀爀攀稀椀愀ⴀ䤀猀愀戀攀氀氀愀 搀椀 䘀爀攀挀挀椀愀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>I was browsing through the Tacuinum Sanitatis last night and came across an
਀㸀攀渀琀爀礀 漀昀 ∀樀甀樀甀戀攀猀∀Ⰰ 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 昀爀甀椀琀 ⠀琀栀攀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 猀栀漀眀猀 ㈀ 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 欀渀漀挀欀椀渀最 瀀氀甀洀ഊ>sized fruits off a tree). Is this a name for some other fruit? I've never
਀㸀栀攀愀爀搀 漀昀 椀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀⸀ഊ
਀䔀琀礀洀漀氀漀最礀㨀ഊMiddle English, jujube fruit, from Old French, from Medieval Latin 
਀樀甀樀甀戀愀Ⰰ 昀爀漀洀 䰀愀琀椀渀 稀椀稀礀瀀栀甀洀Ⰰ 昀爀漀洀 䜀爀攀攀欀 稀椀稀甀瀀栀漀渀⸀ഊ
਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀挀爀昀最⸀漀爀最⼀瀀甀戀猀⼀昀昀⼀樀甀樀甀戀攀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊhttp://www.vegweb.com/glossary/docs/80.shtml
਀吀栀攀 琀攀砀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 琀眀漀 瀀愀最攀猀 椀猀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 椀搀攀渀琀椀挀愀氀 ⴀ 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 ഊdifferent recipes, too.
਀ഊhttp://www.eat-it.com/jujube.htm
਀ഊhttp://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/j/jujube10.html
਀栀愀猀 琀栀攀 攀渀琀爀礀 昀爀漀洀 䴀爀猀⸀ 䜀爀椀攀瘀攀✀猀 䴀漀搀攀爀渀 䠀攀爀戀愀氀 昀爀漀洀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㈀　琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀ഊ
਀䄀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 挀漀洀洀攀爀挀椀愀氀 樀甀樀甀戀攀 栀漀渀攀礀 昀爀漀洀 一攀眀 娀攀愀氀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 ഊjujube wine from China.
਀ഊI have seen the fresh fruit for sale in Asian food markets (around 
਀栀攀爀攀 眀攀 挀漀瘀攀爀 昀爀漀洀 匀漀甀琀栀眀攀猀琀 䄀猀椀愀Ⰰ 匀漀甀琀栀 䄀猀椀愀Ⰰ 匀漀甀琀栀攀愀猀琀 䄀猀椀愀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀 ഊAsia, and the various Pacific Islands)
਀ഊAnahita al-shazhiyya
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㌀㨀㄀㤀㨀㄀㜀 ⴀ　㘀　　ഊFrom: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀䔀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䘀爀甀椀琀 儀甀攀爀礀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 昀爀甀椀琀 椀猀 愀氀猀漀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 愀 䌀栀椀渀攀猀攀 搀愀琀攀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 昀爀甀椀琀 漀昀 愀渀 伀氀搀 圀漀爀氀搀ഊgenus, Ziziphus, most commonly Z. jujuba.
਀ഊBear 
਀ഊ> I was browsing through the Tacuinum Sanitatis last night and 
਀㸀 挀愀洀攀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 愀渀ഊ> entry of "jujubes", a small fruit (the picture shows 2 people 
਀㸀 欀渀漀挀欀椀渀最 瀀氀甀洀ഊ> sized fruits off a tree). Is this a name for some other 
਀㸀 昀爀甀椀琀㼀 䤀✀瘀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀ഊ> heard of it before.
਀㸀 ഊ> Al Servizio Vostro, e del Sogno
਀㸀 䰀甀挀爀攀稀椀愀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:35:02 -0600
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀攀挀欀攀爀Ⰰ 吀攀爀爀礀 䐀⸀∀ 㰀吀攀爀爀礀䐀 愀琀 䠀攀愀氀琀栀⸀匀琀愀琀攀⸀伀䬀⸀唀匀㸀ഊSubject: RE: SC - Fruit Query
਀ഊHersey's Jujubes?
਀ഊI gather the fruit is pretty much like a regular date except that it can dry
਀漀渀 琀栀攀 琀爀攀攀⸀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀 洀愀欀攀 樀甀樀甀戀攀 挀愀渀搀礀 戀礀 栀愀氀瘀椀渀最 愀渀搀 猀攀攀搀 琀栀攀 爀椀瀀攀 昀爀甀椀琀ഊthen simmering it in a 50/50 mix of water and brown sugar for about 20
਀洀椀渀甀琀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀瀀爀攀愀搀椀渀最 椀琀 漀甀琀 琀漀 搀爀礀⸀  一漀琀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀 愀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 樀甀樀甀戀攀 琀栀漀甀最栀⸀ഊ
਀䈀攀愀爀ഊ
਀㸀 䤀 欀渀攀眀 琀栀愀琀 樀甀樀甀戀攀猀 愀爀攀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 愀 昀爀甀椀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 眀漀渀搀攀爀 椀昀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀ഊ> question about 'what else is it?' could be referring to those little
਀㸀 昀爀甀椀琀ⴀ昀氀愀瘀漀爀攀搀 挀愀渀搀椀攀猀 礀漀甀 最攀琀 愀琀 琀栀攀 洀漀瘀椀攀猀ⴀ 琀栀攀 漀渀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 猀琀椀挀欀 椀渀ഊ> your teeth and you spend the film trying to suck them down from your
਀㸀 洀漀氀愀爀猀㼀ഊ> 
਀㸀 ✀䰀愀椀渀椀攀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:06:32 -0800
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䔀⸀ 刀愀椀渀∀ 㰀爀愀最栀攀愀搀 愀琀 氀椀爀椀瀀椀瀀攀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: SC - Jujube Fruit
਀ഊsomhow I missed this thread until today.
਀䤀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 攀砀挀椀琀攀搀 漀渀 漀甀爀 琀爀椀瀀 琀漀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 琀栀椀猀 昀愀氀氀 琀漀 搀椀猀挀漀瘀攀爀 樀甀樀甀戀攀猀 愀琀ഊone of the upscale groceries in Paris.  of course I bought them :-> sadly I
਀栀愀搀 渀漀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀 琀漀 琀爀礀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀Ⰰ 猀漀 眀攀 樀甀猀琀 愀琀攀 琀栀攀洀 爀愀眀 琀漀ഊknow what we were dealing with.  they're kind of like bland hyper-pectiny
਀愀瀀瀀氀攀猀⸀  琀栀攀礀 猀琀愀爀琀 漀甀琀 眀椀琀栀 愀 最爀攀攀渀 愀瀀瀀氀攀 氀椀欀攀 猀欀椀渀 ⠀琀栀漀甀最栀 猀栀愀瀀攀搀 氀椀欀攀 愀ഊlarge date) and slowly turn brown to look more & more date like.  Next time
਀䤀✀氀氀 琀爀礀 ☀ 挀漀漀欀 琀栀攀洀⸀  一漀 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 琀爀礀 琀漀 戀爀椀渀最 愀渀礀 栀漀洀攀 ⴀ 䤀 眀愀猀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀ഊin Italy another 3 weeks & bringing back foods through customes is
਀瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀愀琀椀挀 愀渀礀眀愀礀⸀ഊ
਀眀漀渀搀攀爀昀甀氀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 渀漀眀 漀爀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 琀爀攀攀 栀攀爀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀琀愀琀攀猀℀ഊ
਀䔀搀攀渀 ⴀ 愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀 渀漀眀 䤀✀洀 最漀渀渀愀 猀琀愀爀琀 琀栀愀琀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 最愀爀搀攀渀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 10:59:02 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 爀挀洀愀渀渀㐀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀ഊSubject: Re: SC - peaches
਀ഊAnd it came to pass on 4 Feb 01, , that Stefan li Rous wrote:
਀㸀 䈀甀琀 䤀✀洀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 昀攀攀氀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀琀 甀猀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 漀昀琀攀渀ഊ> in period cooking. Perhaps it is just the recipes I've been reading,
਀㸀 戀甀琀 䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 䤀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀攀搀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 猀愀礀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀⸀ഊ
਀倀攀愀挀栀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 昀爀漀洀 倀攀爀猀椀愀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䄀爀愀戀猀⸀ ഊKaren Hess says that there were some planted in the royal garden 
਀愀琀 圀攀猀琀洀椀渀椀猀琀攀爀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ ഊ
਀䠀甀洀漀甀爀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 挀漀氀搀 愀渀搀 洀漀椀猀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀爀攀 戀攀猀琀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 愀琀 琀栀攀 ഊend of the meal.  Platina suggests serving them dried, or cooked in 
਀栀漀渀攀礀⸀ഊ
਀䔀渀爀椀焀甀攀 搀攀 嘀椀氀氀攀渀愀 ⠀㄀㐀㈀㌀⤀ 最椀瘀攀猀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀 椀渀 栀椀猀 挀愀爀瘀椀渀最 洀愀渀甀愀氀 昀漀爀 ഊcutting and serving peaches -- peel them, remove the pit and the 
਀戀椀琀琀攀爀 瀀愀爀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀琀漀 猀氀椀挀攀猀⸀  吀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 瀀甀琀 漀渀 愀 瀀氀愀琀攀Ⰰ ഊif they are not being served in wine.
਀ഊThere are 14th century Catalan recipes for preserving peaches in 
਀栀漀渀攀礀 漀爀 猀甀最愀爀⸀  ഊ
਀一漀氀愀 栀愀猀 漀渀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 愀 瀀攀愀挀栀 瀀漀琀琀愀最攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 戀攀 ഊmeant as a accompaniment to roasts: peaches cooked in broth-
਀戀愀猀攀搀 愀氀洀漀渀搀 洀椀氀欀Ⰰ 猀攀愀猀漀渀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 猀甀最愀爀Ⰰ 最椀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀爀椀瀀瀀椀渀最猀 ഊfrom the spit.
਀ഊGranado (1599) has various recipes for peaches, including 5 
਀搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 瀀爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀猀 愀渀搀 挀漀渀昀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀⸀  䠀攀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀猀 ㈀ 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀漀爀 ഊpeach pie.  One is sort of a cheescake, whose filling is a mixture of 
਀瀀攀愀挀栀 瀀甀爀攀攀Ⰰ 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀栀攀攀猀攀猀Ⰰ 猀甀最愀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 攀最最猀⸀  吀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀椀攀 ഊ(possibly one of the Italian recipes he plagiarized from Scappi) has 
਀猀氀椀挀攀猀 漀昀 瀀攀愀挀栀 眀椀琀栀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 猀甀最愀爀 愀渀搀 戀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ
਀䤀✀氀氀 氀攀琀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 最愀爀搀攀渀攀爀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 氀椀猀琀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 ഊgrowing them.  Presumably, they require mild weather, since they 
਀昀氀漀甀爀椀猀栀 椀渀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀 氀椀欀攀 䜀攀漀爀最椀愀⸀ഊ
਀䰀愀搀礀 䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 渀椀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀椀渀ഊSettmour Swamp, East (NJ)
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ 㐀 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㄀ ㈀㄀㨀㈀㘀㨀㈀㤀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: rcmann4 at earthlink.net
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀ഊ
਀匀甀攀 䌀氀攀洀攀渀最攀爀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> OH MAN....I'm drooling all the way over here in Montana....recipes
਀㸀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀㼀ഊ
਀㸀 ⴀⴀ䴀愀椀爀攀 ⠀琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 猀漀甀渀搀 瀀愀琀栀攀琀椀挀 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 眀栀椀渀攀礀⤀ഊ
਀䤀 眀愀猀 愀昀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀⸀  吀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀爀漀洀 一漀氀愀 椀猀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀 䤀 ഊhave translated.  Since I don't want to be a spoon-tease, here it is. 
਀ഊSource: Rouperto de Nola, _Libro de Guisados_ (Spanish, 1529)
਀吀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䰀愀搀礀 䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 渀椀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀椀渀 ⠀刀漀戀椀渀 䌀愀爀爀漀氀氀ⴀ䴀愀渀渀⤀ഊ
਀倀伀吀䄀䨀䔀 䰀䰀䄀䴀䄀䐀伀 倀䔀刀匀䤀䌀䄀吀䔀ഊ
਀倀漀琀琀愀最攀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 倀攀愀挀栀ⴀ䐀椀猀栀ഊ
਀夀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 瀀攀攀氀攀搀 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀琀漀 猀氀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀漀欀 琀栀攀洀 ഊin good fat broth; and when they are cooked, take a few blanched 
਀愀氀洀漀渀搀猀 愀渀搀 最爀椀渀搀 琀栀攀洀㬀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 眀攀氀氀ⴀ最爀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 猀琀爀愀椀渀 琀栀攀洀 ഊrather thick with that broth.  And then cook this sauce with sugar and a 
਀氀椀琀琀氀攀 最椀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 椀琀 椀猀 挀漀漀欀攀搀Ⰰ 挀愀猀琀 椀渀 攀渀漀甀最栀 瀀漀琀ⴀ戀爀漀琀栀 漀爀 琀栀愀琀 ഊwhich falls from the roasting-spit.  And let it stew well for a little; and 
਀琀栀攀渀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀攀 搀椀猀栀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 甀瀀漀渀 攀愀挀栀 漀渀攀 挀愀猀琀 猀甀最愀爀㬀 愀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 猀愀洀攀 眀愀礀 ഊyou can make the sauce of quinces in the same manner; but the quinces 
਀渀攀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 猀琀爀愀椀渀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 嬀琀栀攀崀 愀氀洀漀渀搀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 戀攀 猀漀甀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 ഊlikewise the peaches.
਀ഊfootnote: "Durazno" is the Spanish for "peach", but "Persico" ("Persian") is 
਀琀栀攀 眀漀爀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 瀀攀愀挀栀 琀爀攀攀⸀  吀栀攀 䰀愀琀椀渀 渀愀洀攀Ⰰ ∀瀀爀甀渀甀猀 瀀攀爀猀椀挀愀∀Ⰰ 洀攀愀渀猀 ഊPersian plum, because the fruit was introduced to Europe from Persia.
਀ഊLady Brighid ni Chiarain
਀匀攀琀琀洀漀甀爀 匀眀愀洀瀀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀 ⠀一䨀⤀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 03:33:16 +0100
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 吀䜀 㰀最氀漀渀椀渀最 愀琀 䴀愀椀氀攀爀⸀唀渀椀ⴀ䴀愀爀戀甀爀最⸀䐀䔀㸀ഊSubject: Re: SC - peaches
਀ഊFrom "The good Huswifes Handmaide for the Kitchin" (ca. 1594):
਀ഊ"To bake Peaches.
਀吀愀欀攀 倀攀愀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀攀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 琀眀漀 瀀攀攀挀攀猀Ⰰ ⬀ഊtake out the stones as cleane as you can for breaching of
਀琀栀攀 倀攀愀挀栀㨀 琀栀攀渀 洀愀欀攀 礀漀甀爀 瀀椀攀 琀栀爀攀攀 猀焀甀愀爀攀 琀漀 戀愀欀攀 昀漀眀爀攀ഊin a pie, let your paste be verie fine, then make your
਀搀爀攀搀最攀 眀椀琀栀 昀椀渀攀 匀甀最愀爀Ⰰ 匀礀渀愀洀漀渀 愀渀搀 䜀椀渀最攀爀㨀 愀渀搀 昀椀爀猀琀 氀愀礀ഊa little dredge in the bottome of your pies: Then put in
਀倀攀愀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀椀氀氀 甀瀀 礀漀甀爀 挀漀昀昀椀渀猀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 䐀爀攀搀最攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊput into every coffin three spoonfuls of Rosewater. Let
਀渀漀琀 礀漀甀爀 伀瘀攀渀 戀攀 琀漀漀 栀漀琀⸀ ⬀挀⸀∀ഊ
਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 琀漀漀㨀 倀栀椀氀椀瀀瀀椀渀攀 圀攀氀猀攀爀✀猀 ⠀挀愀⸀ ㄀㔀㐀㔀⤀ 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀ഊa peach tart [*] or a recipe for peach salad in the F¸rtrefflichs
਀䬀漀挀栀戀甀漀挀栀 ㄀㔀㔀㤀⼀㘀　⸀ഊ
਀䤀渀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 洀攀搀椀挀愀氀 愀渀搀 搀椀攀琀攀琀椀挀愀氀 爀攀洀愀爀欀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 栀漀眀ഊand when peaches should be eaten.
਀ഊCastelvetro, looking back to 16th century Italy, says peach is a
਀∀搀攀氀椀挀愀琀椀猀猀椀洀漀 昀爀甀琀琀漀Ⰰ 攀 漀爀搀椀渀愀爀椀愀洀攀渀琀攀 挀爀甀搀漀 猀椀 洀愀渀最椀愀∀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀攀ഊmentions other preparations, too.
਀ഊThomas
਀⨀ ∀瀀昀椀爀猀礀挀栀 搀漀爀搀琀攀渀 稀甀 洀愀挀栀攀渀渀ഊso nim die pfirsych vnnd schel sy dau dan die keren
਀栀攀爀 愀甀猀攀爀 瘀渀搀 洀愀挀栀 稀眀愀礀 搀愀礀氀 愀甀猀 愀椀渀攀爀 欀椀琀琀攀渀ഊvnd las syeden daus dan jn die phrsych vnd nim
਀稀甀挀欀攀爀 稀椀洀攀琀 瘀渀渀搀 愀椀渀 昀爀椀猀挀栀攀渀 戀甀搀攀爀 搀愀甀猀 搀愀爀ഊein vnnd las ain fyerdel stundt bachen nim
਀搀愀渀 猀礀攀猀攀渀 眀攀椀渀 瘀渀搀 戀甀琀琀攀爀 搀甀猀 樀渀 愀椀渀 瀀昀攀渀搀氀椀渀ഊvnnd la? an ain ander syeden vnd nim die
਀戀爀礀攀 瘀渀渀搀 最攀甀猀 愀甀昀昀 搀攀渀 搀漀爀琀琀攀渀渀∀ഊ(Phil. Welser, ed. Hayer 69)
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ 㔀 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㄀ ㈀㈀㨀㐀㄀㨀㌀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: rcmann4 at earthlink.net
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 倀攀愀挀栀 琀愀爀琀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 ⠀椀渀 匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀⤀ഊ
਀䠀攀爀攀✀猀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 瀀攀愀挀栀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀爀漀洀 䜀爀愀渀愀搀漀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 愀 洀攀氀漀渀 琀愀爀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 ഊmaking it with peaches is one of the variations.
਀ഊSource: Diego Granado, _Libro del arte de cozina_ (Spanish 1599)
਀ഊTorta de melones
਀ഊTomase el melon limpio de la corteza y de la semilla, y que no 
਀攀猀琀攀 洀甀礀 洀愀搀甀爀漀Ⰰ 礀 挀漀爀琀攀猀攀 愀 戀漀挀愀搀椀氀氀漀猀Ⰰ 礀 栀愀最愀渀猀攀 昀爀攀礀爀 瀀漀挀漀 愀 ഊpoco con manteca mezclandolo con la cuchara de contino, 
਀猀愀焀甀攀猀攀 礀 搀攀砀攀猀攀 攀渀昀爀椀愀爀Ⰰ 礀 瀀愀猀猀攀猀攀 瀀漀爀 攀氀 挀漀氀愀搀漀爀Ⰰ 礀 愀 挀愀搀愀 搀漀猀 ഊlibros de melon frito an~adansele seys onzas de queso de 
਀吀爀漀渀挀栀漀渀 漀爀 倀愀爀洀攀猀愀渀漀 礀 猀攀礀猀 漀渀稀愀猀 搀攀 爀攀焀甀攀猀漀渀Ⰰ 漀爀 焀甀攀猀漀 ഊfresco bien majado, seys onzas de queso de Pinto mantecoso una 
਀漀渀稀愀 搀攀 挀愀渀攀氀愀Ⰰ 洀攀搀椀愀 漀渀稀愀 搀攀 瀀椀洀椀攀渀琀愀Ⰰ 猀攀礀猀 漀渀稀愀猀 搀攀 愀稀甀挀愀爀Ⰰ ഊdiez hiemas de hueuos frescos, o a lo menos seys con las claras, 
਀礀 琀攀渀最愀猀愀 氀愀 挀愀稀甀攀氀愀 琀漀爀琀攀爀愀 瘀渀琀愀搀愀 挀漀渀 洀愀渀琀攀挀愀Ⰰ 挀漀渀 瘀渀 漀樀愀氀搀爀攀 搀攀 ഊpasta algo gordo hecho de la flor de la harina, agua rosada, hiemas 
਀搀攀 栀甀攀甀漀猀Ⰰ 洀愀渀琀攀挀愀 搀攀 瘀愀挀愀猀Ⰰ 礀 猀愀氀Ⰰ 礀 猀甀 琀漀爀琀椀氀氀漀渀 漀樀愀氀搀爀愀搀漀 ഊalrededor, y pongase dentro la composicion, y hagase cozer en el 
਀栀漀爀渀漀 挀漀渀 洀愀渀琀攀挀愀 搀攀爀爀攀琀椀搀愀 瀀漀爀 攀渀挀椀洀愀Ⰰ 礀 攀渀 攀猀琀愀渀搀漀 挀愀猀椀 挀漀稀椀搀愀 ഊhagase la corteza de azucar, y canela, y en estando cozida 
਀猀椀爀甀愀猀攀 挀愀氀椀攀渀琀攀⸀  䐀攀猀琀愀 洀愀渀攀爀愀 猀攀 瀀甀攀搀攀 栀愀稀攀爀 搀攀 氀漀猀 搀甀爀愀稀渀漀猀 礀 ഊaluaricoques, y ciruelas mal maduras.
਀ഊ
਀匀漀Ⰰ 眀栀漀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 琀愀挀欀氀攀 琀栀椀猀 漀渀攀㼀  吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀漀洀攀 最漀漀搀 ഊdictionaries online at:
਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀搀椀挀挀椀漀渀愀爀椀漀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀ഊand the 1726 and 1992 RAE dictionaries are at:
਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀爀愀攀⸀攀猀⼀一䤀嘀䔀䰀㄀⼀戀甀猀挀漀渀⼀䄀唀吀伀刀䤀䐀䄀䐀㈀⸀䠀吀䴀ഊ
਀䤀✀氀氀 瀀漀猀琀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 漀渀攀 琀漀洀漀爀爀漀眀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 猀栀漀瘀攀氀氀椀渀最 愀 昀漀漀琀 漀昀 ഊheavy, wet snow for an hour, and my back is aching.
਀ഊLady Brighid ni Chiarain
਀匀攀琀琀洀漀甀爀 匀眀愀洀瀀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀 ⠀一䨀⤀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 07:51:32 -0600 
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䐀攀挀欀攀爀Ⰰ 吀攀爀爀礀 䐀⸀∀ 㰀吀攀爀爀礀䐀 愀琀 䠀攀愀氀琀栀⸀匀琀愀琀攀⸀伀䬀⸀唀匀㸀ഊSubject: RE: SC - peaches
਀ഊSince Pliny mentions peaches, they arrived in Europe long before the Islamic
਀攀砀瀀愀渀猀椀漀渀⸀  伀渀攀 漀昀 䌀栀愀爀氀攀洀愀最渀攀✀猀 挀愀瀀椀琀甀氀愀爀攀猀 渀漀琀攀猀 瀀攀愀挀栀 琀爀攀攀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 爀漀礀愀氀ഊestates, which, while he could have gotten them from the Moors, is highly
਀甀渀氀椀欀攀氀礀⸀ഊ
਀䈀吀圀Ⰰ 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀 愀爀攀 漀昀 䌀栀椀渀攀猀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀 愀渀搀 愀爀攀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 椀渀琀漀ഊPersia around 140 BCE during Jang Qian's mission to find allies to fight the
਀䠀猀椀甀渀最 一甀 ⠀䠀甀渀猀⤀⸀ഊ
਀䈀攀愀爀ഊ
਀㸀 倀攀愀挀栀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 昀爀漀洀 倀攀爀猀椀愀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䄀爀愀戀猀⸀ ഊ> Karen Hess says that there were some planted in the royal garden 
਀㸀 愀琀 圀攀猀琀洀椀渀椀猀琀攀爀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ㄀㌀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ ഊ> 
਀㸀 䰀愀搀礀 䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 渀椀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀椀渀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:40:13 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀渀攀 匀攀攀氀礀攀ⴀ䬀椀渀最∀ 㰀欀椀渀最猀琀愀猀琀攀 愀琀 洀椀渀搀猀瀀爀椀渀最⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊSubject: SC - Pottage called Peach-Dish
਀ഊThis weekend, I tried the following recipe translated and posted by Lady
਀䈀爀椀最栀椀搀⸀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀戀猀漀氀甀琀攀氀礀 礀甀洀洀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 搀攀挀氀愀爀攀搀 愀 眀椀渀渀攀爀 愀洀漀渀最 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊrecipes.  Below is the original, and my experiment last night.
਀䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀愀渀渀愀ഊ
਀匀漀甀爀挀攀㨀 刀漀甀瀀攀爀琀漀 搀攀 一漀氀愀Ⰰ 开䰀椀戀爀漀 搀攀 䜀甀椀猀愀搀漀猀开 ⠀匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀Ⰰ ㄀㔀㈀㤀⤀ഊTranslation: Lady Brighid ni Chiarain (Robin Carroll-Mann)
਀ഊPOTAJE LLAMADO PERSICATE
਀倀漀琀琀愀最攀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 倀攀愀挀栀ⴀ䐀椀猀栀ഊ
਀夀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 瀀攀攀氀攀搀 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀甀琀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀琀漀 猀氀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀漀欀 琀栀攀洀 椀渀ഊgood fat broth; and when they are cooked, take a few blanched almonds and
਀最爀椀渀搀 琀栀攀洀㬀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 眀攀氀氀ⴀ最爀漀甀渀搀Ⰰ 猀琀爀愀椀渀 琀栀攀洀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀椀挀欀 眀椀琀栀ഊthat broth. And then cook this sauce with sugar and a little ginger, and
਀眀栀攀渀 椀琀 椀猀 挀漀漀欀攀搀Ⰰ 挀愀猀琀 椀渀 攀渀漀甀最栀 瀀漀琀ⴀ戀爀漀琀栀 漀爀 琀栀愀琀 眀栀椀挀栀 昀愀氀氀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀ഊroasting-spit. And let it stew well for a little; and then prepare dishes,
਀愀渀搀 甀瀀漀渀 攀愀挀栀 漀渀攀 挀愀猀琀 猀甀最愀爀㬀 愀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 猀愀洀攀 眀愀礀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 猀愀甀挀攀 漀昀ഊquinces in the same manner; but the quinces need to be strained with [the]
਀愀氀洀漀渀搀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 戀攀 猀漀甀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 氀椀欀攀眀椀猀攀 琀栀攀 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀昀漀漀琀渀漀琀攀㨀 䐀甀爀愀稀渀漀 椀猀 琀栀攀 匀瀀愀渀椀猀栀 昀漀爀 ✀瀀攀愀挀栀✀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 倀攀爀猀椀挀漀 ⠀✀倀攀爀猀椀愀渀✀⤀ 椀猀 琀栀攀ഊword for the peach tree. The Latin name, prunus persica, means Persian plum,
਀戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 昀爀甀椀琀 眀愀猀 椀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀攀搀 琀漀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 昀爀漀洀 倀攀爀猀椀愀⸀ഊ
਀ഊI took a pork roast and sprinkled ginger, pepper, and kosher salt on it.  I
਀栀愀搀 愀 挀愀渀 漀昀 眀栀椀琀攀 䌀栀椀渀攀猀攀 瀀攀愀挀栀 栀愀氀瘀攀猀 椀渀 氀椀最栀琀 猀礀爀甀瀀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 瀀漀甀爀攀搀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀ഊamount of the syrup over the roast.  I cooked the roast in a medium oven for
਀愀渀 栀漀甀爀 漀爀 猀漀⸀  䴀攀愀渀眀栀椀氀攀Ⰰ 䤀 猀氀椀挀攀搀 琀栀攀 瀀攀愀挀栀 栀愀氀瘀攀猀⸀  吀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 愀 挀愀渀 漀昀ഊfruit that I had bought at a Chinese market some time back.  The fruit was
਀眀栀椀琀攀Ⰰ 昀椀爀洀Ⰰ 愀氀洀漀猀琀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀猀椀猀琀愀渀挀礀 漀昀 愀 瀀攀愀爀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 最爀椀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 愀猀ഊsweet as a cling peach.  I think it made a big difference, I don't think it
਀眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀猀 最漀漀搀 眀椀琀栀 挀氀椀渀最 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 昀椀爀洀Ⰰ 氀椀最栀琀 挀漀氀漀爀攀搀 瀀氀甀洀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀ഊabout the same texture and amount of sweetness.  I suppose quinces would be
਀最漀漀搀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀⸀ഊ	I placed the peach slices, the rest of the syrup, ginger, a tablespoon or
਀琀眀漀 漀昀 眀栀椀琀攀 猀甀最愀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀氀洀漀渀搀 洀椀氀欀 椀渀 愀 猀愀甀挀攀 瀀愀渀 愀渀搀 氀攀琀 椀琀 挀漀漀欀 搀漀眀渀ഊwhile the roast was in the oven.  When the roast was done, I added a bit of
਀眀愀琀攀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀愀渀 琀漀 搀攀最氀愀稀攀 椀琀 愀 戀椀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀搀搀攀搀 琀栀攀 樀甀椀挀攀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀愀甀挀攀瀀愀渀Ⰰഊand cooked it for about 20 minutes longer.  After letting the roast rest, I
਀猀氀椀挀攀搀 椀琀 愀渀搀 瀀甀琀 椀琀 戀愀挀欀 椀渀 椀琀✀猀 瀀愀渀Ⰰ 瀀漀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀愀甀挀攀 愀渀搀 瀀攀愀挀栀 猀氀椀挀攀猀ഊover the meat.  It was just wonderful.  It was not too sweet, but I did find
਀琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 猀愀甀挀攀 渀攀攀搀攀搀 琀栀攀 猀洀愀氀氀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 猀甀最愀爀 琀漀 戀爀椀渀最 漀甀琀 琀栀攀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀猀Ⰰഊbut not enough to make it overly sweet.  The ginger was a nice compliment to
਀琀栀攀 爀漀愀猀琀 愀渀搀 猀愀甀挀攀⸀  䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 椀琀 洀椀最栀琀 愀氀猀漀 戀攀 最漀漀搀 椀昀 琀栀攀 昀爀甀椀琀 眀攀爀攀 瀀甀爀攀攀搀ഊinto the sauce.  I will cook this again for our purposes, and would
਀挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 愀搀搀椀渀最 椀琀 琀漀 愀 昀攀愀猀琀 洀攀渀甀⸀ഊThanks for the recipe, Brighid!
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਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 䴀愀爀 ㈀　　㄀ ㈀　㨀㔀㜀㨀㄀㠀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: rcmann4 at earthlink.net
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 倀漀琀琀愀最攀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 倀攀愀挀栀ⴀ䐀椀猀栀ഊ
਀䄀渀搀 椀琀 挀愀洀攀 琀漀 瀀愀猀猀 漀渀 ㈀㘀 䴀愀爀 　㄀Ⰰ Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀渀攀 匀攀攀氀礀攀ⴀ䬀椀渀最 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> This weekend, I tried the following recipe translated and posted by Lady
਀㸀 䈀爀椀最栀椀搀⸀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀戀猀漀氀甀琀攀氀礀 礀甀洀洀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 搀攀挀氀愀爀攀搀 愀 眀椀渀渀攀爀 愀洀漀渀最 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊ> recipes.  Below is the original, and my experiment last night.
਀㸀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀椀愀渀渀愀ഊ
਀䤀 爀攀搀愀挀琀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 漀渀挀攀⸀  䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 椀琀 琀愀猀琀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀漀漀 挀愀氀漀爀椀挀 昀漀爀 洀礀 ഊpersonal use.  I used frozen peach slices, fresh peaches not being 
਀椀渀 猀攀愀猀漀渀⸀  夀漀甀Ⰰ 愀猀 䤀 爀攀挀愀氀氀Ⰰ 挀愀渀 最攀琀 琀栀攀洀 挀栀攀愀瀀氀礀 椀渀 猀攀愀猀漀渀⸀ഊ
਀䤀昀 礀漀甀 眀攀爀攀 猀攀爀瘀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 猀愀甀挀攀 愀琀 愀 昀攀愀猀琀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 愀洀甀猀椀渀最 琀漀 ഊserve peach pits as well.  You could explain to the feasters that 
਀礀漀甀 眀攀爀攀 戀攀椀渀最 瘀攀爀礀 琀栀爀椀昀琀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 眀愀猀琀椀渀最 愀渀礀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊpeach.... :-)
਀ഊ[In this case, Lady Brighid is talking about the peach pit sotelties
਀搀椀猀挀甀猀猀攀搀 愀 眀栀椀氀攀 戀愀挀欀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀 氀椀猀琀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 爀攀愀氀 瀀攀愀挀栀 瀀椀琀猀⸀ 匀攀攀 猀漀琀攀氀琀椀攀猀ⴀ洀猀最 ഊor illusion-fds-msg files for more details - Stefan]
਀ഊLady Brighid ni Chiarain
਀匀攀琀琀洀漀甀爀 匀眀愀洀瀀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀 ⠀一䨀⤀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:48:07 -0500
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 一攀眀琀漀渀∀ 㰀洀攀氀挀渀攀眀琀 愀琀 渀攀琀椀渀猀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: SC - coring fruit
਀ഊ> Speaking of glop, I encountered a dish of pears in syrup made for a
਀挀漀洀瀀攀琀椀琀椀漀渀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀⸀ 吀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 挀愀氀氀 昀漀爀 挀甀琀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 挀漀爀椀渀最Ⰰ 漀爀 瀀攀攀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 瀀攀愀爀猀 愀琀 愀氀氀 ⠀椀渀 昀愀挀琀Ⰰ 渀漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀攀愀爀猀 椀渀 猀礀爀甀瀀 琀礀瀀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 挀愀氀氀 昀漀爀 挀漀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 瀀攀愀爀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 漀搀搀⤀⸀ 吀栀攀 爀攀搀愀挀琀漀爀 栀愀搀 挀漀爀攀搀Ⰰ 瀀攀攀氀攀搀 愀渀搀 挀甀琀 琀栀攀 瀀攀愀爀猀 椀渀琀漀 猀洀愀氀氀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 愀渀搀 挀漀漀欀攀搀 椀琀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀 琀椀洀攀ⴀⴀ 琀栀攀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 眀椀渀攀 椀渀 栀攀爀 爀攀搀愀挀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 洀椀渀椀洀愀氀⸀ 匀漀洀攀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀攀搀 漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 椀猀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 搀漀渀攀 眀椀琀栀 瀀攀愀爀猀 瀀攀攀氀攀搀Ⰰ 挀漀爀攀搀 愀渀搀 猀氀椀挀攀搀 椀渀 栀愀氀昀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 挀漀漀欀攀搀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀⸀ ഊ
਀䤀琀 漀挀挀甀爀攀搀 琀漀 洀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 瀀攀愀爀猀 椀渀 猀礀爀甀瀀 愀爀攀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀 眀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 戀攀椀渀最 漀瘀攀爀氀礀 椀渀昀氀甀攀渀挀攀搀 戀礀 ✀琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀✀⸀ 圀栀愀琀 搀漀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 琀栀椀渀欀㼀ഊ(The redaction was delicious but obviously somewhat similar to really chunky applesauce.)
਀㸀 ⴀⴀഊ> Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, mka Jennifer Heise       jenne at mail.browser.net
਀ഊThey may have not cored the pear at all; the Czech vet at work always eats
਀栀椀猀 愀瀀瀀氀攀⼀瀀攀愀爀Ⰰ 挀漀爀攀 愀渀搀 愀氀氀⸀ 䤀 愀氀猀漀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 椀渀 开倀椀渀渀椀挀挀椀漀开Ⰰ⠀琀栀攀ഊbook not the Disney version) that Gepedo warns his "son" to eat all of the
਀瀀攀愀爀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 挀漀爀攀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 栀攀 洀椀最栀琀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 攀氀猀攀 琀漀 攀愀琀⸀ 圀愀猀ഊthis a common thought during the Medieval ages? I don't know. But it could
਀戀攀 眀栀礀 琀栀攀椀爀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀愀氀氀 昀漀爀 挀漀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 昀爀甀椀琀⸀ 䄀 眀愀猀琀攀 渀漀琀Ⰰ 眀愀渀琀 渀漀琀ഊattitude.
਀ഊBeatrix of Tanet
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀匀椀攀最昀爀椀攀搀 䠀攀礀搀爀椀挀栀∀ 㰀戀愀爀漀渀猀椀最 愀琀 瀀攀最愀渀攀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: <SCA-cooks at ansteorra.org>
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㄀㐀 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㈀㨀㌀㘀㨀㈀㜀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊSubject: [Sca-cooks] Fruit & nut resource
਀ഊ    I linked into this site - it's a good repository of info on fruits &
਀渀甀琀猀⸀ 䄀氀氀 洀甀渀搀愀渀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 最椀瘀攀猀 愀渀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 琀栀甀洀戀渀愀椀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀攀猀⸀ 圀攀氀氀ഊworth the look.
਀ഊhttp://www.uga.edu/hortcrop/rieger/
਀ഊ    Sieggy
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀刀漀戀椀渀 䌀愀爀爀漀氀氀ⴀ䴀愀渀渀∀ 㰀爀挀洀愀渀渀㐀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 㘀 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㠀㨀㈀㈀㨀㌀㈀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] fruit leather (was pesto)
਀ഊOn 6 Sep 2001, at 10:08, Jennifer Thompson wrote:
਀㸀 匀瀀攀愀欀椀渀最 漀昀 猀甀洀洀攀爀 漀瘀攀爀猀椀稀攀搀 栀愀爀瘀攀猀琀猀Ⰰ 栀愀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 栀愀搀 愀渀礀 氀甀挀欀 洀愀欀椀渀最ഊ> peach fruit leather? Puree fruit, add 1/4th as much sugar, let dry in
਀㸀 猀氀漀眀 漀瘀攀渀Ⰰ 礀攀猀㼀ഊ
਀䜀爀愀渀愀搀漀✀猀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 瀀攀愀挀栀 氀攀愀琀栀攀爀 ⠀䌀愀爀渀攀 搀攀 䐀甀爀愀稀渀漀猀⤀ 挀愀氀氀猀 昀漀爀ഊone pound of sugar to two and a half pounds of peaches (two
਀瀀漀甀渀搀猀 漀昀 瀀攀愀挀栀攀猀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 渀漀琀 昀甀氀氀礀 爀椀瀀攀⸀⤀ഊ
਀䌀漀洀洀攀渀琀 愀琀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 戀愀爀漀渀椀愀氀 洀攀攀琀椀渀最 眀栀攀渀 䤀 瀀氀愀挀攀搀 ∀瀀攀愀挀栀 昀氀攀猀栀∀ഊon the refreshment table:  "Cool!  Period rollups!"
਀ഊBrighid ni Chiarain *** mka Robin Carroll-Mann
਀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 匀攀琀琀洀漀甀爀 匀眀愀洀瀀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:59:18 +0200
਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊFrom: Jessica Tiffin <melisant at iafrica.com>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䜀攀爀瘀愀猀攀 䴀愀爀欀栀愀洀✀猀 昀爀甀椀琀攀 瀀愀猀琀攀ഊ
਀䜀攀爀瘀愀猀攀 䴀愀爀欀栀愀洀 栀愀猀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀瀀愀猀琀攀 漀昀 䜀攀渀漀愀∀ ⴀ 愀猀ഊfollows:
਀吀漀 洀愀欀攀 瀀愀猀琀攀 漀昀 䜀攀渀漀愀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 猀栀愀氀氀 琀愀欀攀 儀甀椀渀挀攀猀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀ഊboyled soft, and beat them in a mortar with refined sugar, Cinamon and
਀䜀椀渀最攀爀 昀椀渀攀氀礀 猀攀愀爀猀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䐀愀洀愀猀欀ⴀ刀漀猀攀ⴀ眀愀琀攀爀 琀椀氀氀 椀琀 挀漀洀攀 琀漀 愀 猀琀椀昀昀ഊpaste; and rowl it forth, and print it, and so bake it in a stove; and
਀椀渀 琀栀椀猀 猀漀爀琀 礀漀甀 洀愀礀 洀愀欀攀 瀀愀猀琀攀 漀昀 倀攀愀爀猀Ⰰ 䄀瀀瀀氀攀猀Ⰰ 圀愀爀搀攀渀猀Ⰰ 倀氀甀洀猀 漀昀 愀氀氀ഊkinds, Cherries, Barberries, or what other fruits you please.
਀ഊHas anyone ever actually tried this?  I'm not sure if I should be actually
਀挀漀漀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀甀最愀爀⼀昀爀甀椀琀 瀀愀猀琀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 漀瘀攀渀Ⰰ 漀爀 搀爀礀椀渀最 椀琀 漀甀琀 氀椀欀攀 愀 昀爀甀椀琀ഊleather.  Does anyone have a redacted recipe or any suggestions?
਀ഊmany thanks,
਀䨀搀䠀ഊ
਀䰀愀搀礀 䨀攀栀愀渀渀攀 搀攀 䠀甀最甀攀渀椀渀 ⠀䨀攀猀猀椀挀愀 吀椀昀昀椀渀⤀ ⨀ 䐀爀愀挀栀攀渀眀愀氀搀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 䌀栀爀漀渀椀挀氀攀爀ഊShire of Adamastor, Cape Town, South Africa
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀刀漀戀椀渀 䌀愀爀爀漀氀氀ⴀ䴀愀渀渀∀ 㰀爀挀洀愀渀渀㐀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 㐀 䄀瀀爀 ㈀　　㈀ ㄀㘀㨀㔀㔀㨀㔀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] torta of melons
਀ഊOn 4 Apr 2002, at 9:59, Susan Fox-Davis wrote:
਀㸀 倀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 甀渀爀椀瀀攀 瀀氀甀洀猀㼀  䄀 䜀漀漀最氀攀 猀攀愀爀挀栀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 琀甀爀渀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀搀ഊ> "aluaricoques" in any document except the Flori-Thingie, of course!  I
਀㸀 眀漀甀氀搀 最甀攀猀猀 ∀䄀氀甀愀爀椀焀甀漀焀甀攀猀∀ 琀漀 戀攀 䄀倀刀䤀䌀伀吀匀Ⰰ 愀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 圀攀戀猀琀攀爀猀ഊ> Revised Unabridged Dictionary 1913.
਀㸀 㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀戀漀漀琀氀攀最戀漀漀欀猀⸀挀漀洀⼀刀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀⼀圀攀戀猀琀攀爀⼀搀愀琀愀⼀㜀㔀⸀栀琀洀氀㸀ഊ
਀夀攀猀Ⰰ 愀瀀爀椀挀漀琀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 爀椀最栀琀⸀  ∀愀氀甀愀爀椀焀甀漀焀甀攀猀∀ 㴀㴀 ∀愀氀瘀愀爀椀焀甀漀焀甀攀猀∀ 㴀㴀ഊ"albaricoques".
਀ഊWelcome to the wonderful world of archaic Spanish spelling.  The
਀∀䄀爀琀攀 搀攀 䌀漀爀琀愀爀∀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 愀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 愀渀搀 愀 栀愀氀昀 漀氀搀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 䜀爀愀渀愀搀漀Ⰰഊis far worse.  "Figado" for "higado" (liver), and "rra=E7ilmente" for
਀∀昀愀挀椀氀洀攀渀琀攀∀ ⠀攀愀猀椀氀礀⤀⸀ഊ
਀䈀爀椀最栀椀搀 渀椀 䌀栀椀愀爀愀椀渀 ⨀⨀⨀ 洀欀愀 刀漀戀椀渀 䌀愀爀爀漀氀氀ⴀ䴀愀渀渀ഊBarony of Settmour Swamp, East Kingdom
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㌀ ㄀㐀㨀㌀㘀㨀㐀㤀 ⴀ　㐀　　 ⠀䔀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: <jenne at fiedlerfamily.net>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 ∀唀渀挀漀洀洀漀渀 昀爀甀椀琀猀 眀漀爀琀栀礀 漀昀 愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀∀ഊTo: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
਀ഊJust got this in through ILL:
਀开唀渀挀漀洀洀漀渀 䘀爀甀椀琀猀 眀漀爀琀栀礀 漀昀 䄀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀㨀 䄀 最愀爀搀攀渀攀爀✀猀 䜀甀椀搀攀开Ⰰ 戀礀 䰀攀攀 刀攀椀挀栀⸀ഊ(NY: Addison-Wesley, 1991.
਀ഊThe book includes descriptions, sketches, history, cultivation, and use
਀椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 昀爀甀椀琀猀㨀 倀愀眀瀀愀眀Ⰰ 最漀漀猀攀戀攀爀爀礀Ⰰ 一愀渀欀椀渀最 挀栀攀爀爀礀Ⰰഊmedlar, juneberry, maypop, kaki and American persimmons, raisin tree,
਀戀氀愀挀欀 挀甀爀爀愀渀琀Ⰰ 攀氀愀攀愀最渀甀猀Ⰰ 愀挀琀椀渀椀搀椀愀Ⰰ 樀甀樀甀戀攀Ⰰ 愀氀瀀椀渀攀 愀渀搀 洀甀猀欀 猀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀Ⰰഊcurrants, red and white, mulberry, lowbush blueberry, Asian pear,
਀䨀漀猀琀愀戀攀爀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀漀爀渀攀氀椀愀渀 挀栀攀爀爀礀⸀ 䄀氀猀漀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀搀 愀爀攀 椀渀昀漀 漀渀 瀀漀氀氀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰഊsiting and planting, pruning, propagation, and mail order sources. Well
਀椀渀搀攀砀攀搀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 昀愀猀挀椀渀愀琀椀渀最⸀ 䤀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 最漀 漀甀琀 愀渀搀 戀甀礀 愀 眀栀漀氀攀 戀甀渀挀栀 漀昀 琀爀攀攀猀ഊnow...
਀ഊ-- Pani Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika   jenne at fiedlerfamily.net
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㌀ ㄀㔀㨀㄀㄀㨀㔀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊFrom: johnna holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 ∀唀渀挀漀洀洀漀渀 昀爀甀椀琀猀 眀漀爀琀栀礀 漀昀 愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀∀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
਀ഊYes, it's quite good. I got mine through the Garden
਀䈀漀漀欀挀氀甀戀⸀ 䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀 瀀爀椀挀椀渀最 琀栀漀猀攀 琀爀攀攀猀 愀渀搀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀ഊis something of a bother. Some of the nurseries listed
਀ 愀爀攀 渀漀 氀漀渀最攀爀 眀椀琀栀 甀猀Ⰰ 猀漀 椀琀 琀愀欀攀猀 洀漀爀攀 栀甀渀琀椀渀最⸀ഊ
਀䨀漀栀渀渀愀攀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:44:02 -0600
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀吀攀爀爀礀 䐀攀挀欀攀爀∀ 㰀琀⸀搀⸀搀攀挀欀攀爀 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀渀攀琀⸀愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: plums in plum pudding
਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀㸀 䴀愀欀攀猀 猀攀渀猀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 眀漀渀搀攀爀 愀琀 眀栀愀琀 瀀漀椀渀琀 ∀瀀爀甀渀攀∀ 挀愀洀攀 琀漀 洀攀愀渀 ∀搀爀椀攀搀ഊ> plum", when it used to mean, to English-speakers, a variety of plum
਀㸀 琀栀愀琀 昀爀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀 挀漀洀攀猀 琀漀 甀猀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀攀搀 椀渀 搀爀椀攀搀 昀漀爀洀⸀ഊ>
਀㸀 䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀ഊ
਀倀爀甀渀攀猀 愀爀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀 漀昀 瀀氀甀洀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀漀搀攀爀渀氀礀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 栀礀戀爀椀搀猀ഊdeveloped for drying.
਀ഊ"Prunus" (or "prunum") is the Latin for plum, as well as being scientific
਀渀愀洀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 最攀渀攀爀愀 漀昀 瀀氀甀洀猀⸀  䤀琀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 椀渀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 昀漀爀洀猀 椀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀ഊlanguages.  Plum appears to be a derivative of the Latin neuter plural,
਀∀瀀爀甀渀愀Ⰰ∀ 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 攀渀琀攀爀椀渀最 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 昀爀漀洀 伀氀搀 䰀漀眀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀⸀  倀氀甀洀 愀渀搀 ഊprune are interchangable until late in SCA period.
਀ഊThe dried fruit was originally referred to as "dried plums" or "drie prunis"
਀⠀昀爀漀洀 愀 ㄀㐀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀⤀⸀  䈀礀 琀栀攀 ㄀㔀琀栀 漀爀 ㄀㘀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 瀀爀甀渀攀 眀愀猀ഊbeing used to refer to the dried fruit.
਀ഊCuriously, prune was also used to refer to raisins in Victoria's day.
਀ഊBear
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀　 䘀攀戀 ㈀　　㐀 ㄀㄀㨀㐀㤀㨀㐀㐀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 昀爀甀椀琀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀 昀漀爀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
਀ഊIt's also the question of regional varieties that grew better in a certain
਀瘀愀氀氀攀礀 漀爀 栀椀氀氀猀椀搀攀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀渀✀琀 渀愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 洀愀爀欀攀琀猀 愀渀搀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀愀琀椀漀渀ഊto ship local fruits halfway around the world at that point. As regards apples,
਀琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀 最爀漀眀渀 樀甀猀琀 昀漀爀 挀椀搀攀爀⸀ 吀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 最漀攀猀 昀漀爀ഊpears and perry. There's an entire book entitled Pomona's Harvest.
਀䄀渀 䤀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀攀搀 䌀栀爀漀渀椀挀氀攀 漀昀 䄀渀琀椀焀甀愀爀椀愀渀 䘀爀甀椀琀 䰀椀琀攀爀愀琀甀爀攀 戀礀 䠀⸀ 䘀爀攀搀攀爀椀挀ഊJanson which Timber Press put out in 1996 that examines the literature
਀愀猀猀漀挀椀愀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 昀爀甀椀琀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 椀搀攀愀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 最爀愀昀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀ഊdifferent fruit varieties were in great demand during the Middle Ages and Renaissance and numerous books were written with regard to the best methods
਀愀渀搀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀 昀漀爀 甀猀攀⸀ഊ
਀䨀漀栀渀渀愀攀 氀氀礀渀 䰀攀眀椀猀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:09:44 -0400
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀愀搀眀椀最愀 娀愀樀愀挀稀欀漀眀愀 ⼀ 䨀攀渀渀攀 䠀攀椀猀攀 㰀樀攀渀渀攀 愀琀 昀椀攀搀氀攀爀昀愀洀椀氀礀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] where do I buy an indulgence for SCA-Cooks
਀吀漀㨀 䐀椀愀渀渀攀 ☀ 䜀爀攀最 匀琀甀挀欀椀 㰀最漀漀昀礀㄀ 愀琀 猀甀猀挀漀洀⸀渀攀琀㸀Ⰰऀ䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀ഊ	<sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
਀ഊ> Share the recipe for the pears with cucumbers and figs please please,   
਀㸀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀㼀ഊ
਀伀欀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 椀猀 昀爀漀洀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 愀琀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 漀昀 开䘀漀漀搀 愀渀搀 䐀爀椀渀欀ഊin Medieval Poland by Maria Dembinska & William Woys Weaver; Woys
਀圀攀愀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 愀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 攀琀栀渀椀挀 昀漀漀搀 眀爀椀琀攀爀Ⰰ 眀爀漀琀攀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀ഊdidn't actually include the sources for the experimentation that he and
਀䐀攀洀戀椀渀猀欀愀 搀椀搀 琀漀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀 琀栀漀猀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 猀栀攀 搀椀攀搀⸀ഊ
਀䠀攀 搀漀攀猀 猀愀礀 椀琀 ∀眀愀猀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀漀爀搀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀漀礀愀氀 最愀爀爀椀猀漀渀 愀琀ഊKorczyn in 1389", and is "a conceit meant to imitate poached melon". If
਀礀漀甀 瘀愀爀礀 琀栀攀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 戀礀 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 洀漀爀攀 栀漀渀攀礀 愀渀搀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 愀 戀椀琀 氀漀渀最攀爀Ⰰ 椀琀ഊmakes a sweet dish which can be served with cream.
਀ഊ4 cups cucumbers, pared, seeded and diced (if you use pickling cukes the
਀琀愀猀琀攀 椀猀 洀漀爀攀 瀀椀焀甀愀渀琀㬀 氀漀渀最 猀愀氀愀搀 挀甀欀攀猀 最椀瘀攀 礀漀甀 愀 猀眀攀攀琀攀爀 爀攀猀甀氀琀⤀ഊ1 cup dried figs, chopped
਀㄀ 挀甀瀀 栀漀渀攀礀ഊ1/8 tsp ground cloves
਀㄀⼀㈀ 琀猀瀀 最爀漀甀渀搀 挀愀猀猀椀愀ഊ4 cups under-ripe pears, peeled, cored & diced
਀㄀ 琀戀猀瀀 爀漀猀攀眀愀琀攀爀ഊ
਀挀漀洀戀椀渀攀 挀甀欀攀猀Ⰰ 昀椀最猀Ⰰ 栀漀渀攀礀 愀渀搀 猀瀀椀挀攀猀㬀 挀漀漀欀 漀瘀攀爀 洀攀搀椀甀洀 氀漀眀 栀攀愀琀Ⰰഊcovered, about 20 minutes. Add the pears and cook 5 minutes (he says) to
਀㄀　 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀 ⠀䤀 猀愀礀⤀ 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 昀爀漀洀 栀攀愀琀ⴀⴀ 琀栀攀 挀甀欀攀猀 愀渀搀 瀀攀愀爀猀 猀栀漀甀氀搀ഊhave a similar texture. Cool to room temp and add the rosewater (you
਀搀漀渀✀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 渀漀琀椀挀攀 琀栀攀 爀漀猀攀眀愀琀攀爀 椀昀 礀漀甀 瀀甀琀 椀琀 椀渀Ⰰ 猀琀椀爀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀ഊrefrigerate the compote overnight.
਀ഊCan also be served hot (I say).
਀ⴀⴀ ഊ-- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne at fiedlerfamily.net 
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ 　㠀 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀㐀㨀　㔀㨀㄀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: Elaine Koogler <ekoogler1 at comcast.net>
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䄀渀礀 最漀漀搀 䰀愀洀戀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀㼀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
਀ഊ> it sounds great. Love Couscous too. I have heard of  but never used  
਀㸀 樀甀樀甀戀攀攀✀猀⸀  䤀 愀洀 愀猀猀甀洀椀渀最 椀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀 漀爀搀攀爀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊ>
਀㸀   ⴀ䴀甀椀爀椀愀琀栀ഊ
਀䤀 洀愀渀愀最攀搀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀攀洀 愀琀 愀渀 漀爀椀攀渀琀愀氀 最爀漀挀攀爀礀 猀琀漀爀攀⸀  夀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 琀爀礀ഊ"googling" them.  Just be careful that you don't get the candy.  These
਀愀爀攀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 搀爀椀攀搀Ⰰ 愀戀漀甀琀 ㌀⼀㐀 琀栀攀 猀椀稀攀 漀昀 搀愀琀攀猀Ⰰ 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 爀攀搀搀椀猀栀 戀爀漀眀渀 椀渀ഊcolor, and the ones I've gotten have stones in them.  So they're a pain
਀椀渀 琀栀攀 ∀眀攀氀氀 愀渀礀眀愀礀∀ 琀漀 最攀琀 漀昀昀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀渀攀猀⸀  䤀✀洀 瀀氀愀渀渀椀渀最 琀漀 猀攀爀瘀攀ഊthis at an event I'm cooking in February.
਀ഊKiri
਀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㠀 䨀愀渀 ㈀　　㘀 　㜀㨀㐀㜀㨀㔀㄀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius"
਀ऀ㰀愀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀⸀洀愀最椀猀琀攀爀 愀琀 瘀攀爀椀稀漀渀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Looking for info on mulberries and murrey
਀吀漀㨀 䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀伀渀 䨀愀渀 ㄀㠀Ⰰ ㈀　　㘀Ⰰ 愀琀 ㄀㈀㨀㐀㐀 䄀䴀Ⰰ 匀琀攀昀愀渀 氀椀 刀漀甀猀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ
਀㸀 䤀 最漀琀 琀栀椀猀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 琀栀椀猀 攀瘀攀渀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 愀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀 爀攀愀搀攀爀⸀  䤀 挀愀渀ഊ> remember mulberries being discussed here only a little bit and the
਀㸀 漀渀氀礀 ∀洀甀爀爀攀礀∀ 眀栀椀挀栀 䤀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀渀最 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 䄀爀愀戀椀愀渀ഊ> condiment "murri" made from rotten/fermented barley.
਀㸀ഊ> I'd be interested in seeing any comments anyone has on period use
਀㸀 漀昀 洀甀氀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀 漀爀 琀栀椀猀 洀甀爀爀攀礀⸀ 倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀漀甀最栀 琀漀 挀漀瀀礀 栀攀爀 漀渀ഊ> any messages on this subject, as she is not on this list.
਀㸀ഊ>>      I've got a quick question about something I came across in a
਀㸀㸀 戀漀漀欀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀唀渀挀漀洀洀漀渀 䘀爀甀椀琀猀 圀漀爀琀栀礀 漀昀 䄀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀∀ ⠀戀礀 䰀攀攀 刀攀椀挀栀⤀⸀ഊ>> In the section on mulberries, the author says that in medieval
਀㸀㸀 琀椀洀攀猀Ⰰ 洀甀氀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀洀甀爀爀攀礀∀Ⰰഊ>> which he described as a pudding or a sauce for meats.  When I
਀㸀㸀 琀爀椀攀搀 琀漀 氀漀漀欀 昀漀爀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 昀漀爀 洀甀爀爀攀礀 ⠀漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀⤀Ⰰ 愀氀氀 䤀ഊ>> could find was the description of murrey as a color in heraldry,
਀㸀㸀 渀漀琀 愀猀 愀 昀漀漀搀 愀琀 愀氀氀⸀ഊ>>      Can you shed some light on this for me please?  Thanks so much.
਀㸀㸀ഊ>> In service,
਀㸀㸀 䰀愀搀礀 䌀漀爀椀渀渀愀 䰀椀漀渀眀礀渀搀攀ഊ>> (mka Sylvia Shults)
਀㸀㸀 瀀漀洀瀀攀椀椀㄀　　 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀ഊ
਀  䘀爀漀洀 䴀匀 䐀Ⰰ 昀昀⸀ 㠀㘀爀ⴀ㤀㘀瘀Ⰰ 愀⸀欀⸀愀⸀ ∀䄀渀挀椀攀渀琀 䌀漀漀欀攀爀礀∀Ⰰ 愀⸀欀⸀愀⸀ 䈀漀漀欀 䤀䤀 漀昀ഊ"Curye On Inglysche", 'Diuersa Servisa', c. 1381 CE:
਀ഊ"37	For to make murrey, tak mulbery & bray hem in a morter & wryng
਀栀攀洀 ⠀琀栀⤀漀爀栀 愀 挀氀漀⠀琀栀⤀Ⰰ ☀ 搀漀 栀攀洀 椀渀 愀 瀀漀琀 漀甀攀爀 ⠀琀栀⤀攀 昀礀爀攀㬀 ☀ 搀漀 ⠀琀栀⤀ഊereto bred & wyte gresse, & let yt na3t boyle non ofter (th)an onys.
਀☀ 搀漀 ⠀琀栀⤀攀爀攀琀漀 愀 最漀搀 瀀攀爀琀礀 漀昀 猀甀最甀爀Ⰰ ☀ ㌀椀昀 礀琀 戀攀 渀漀㌀琀 礀渀漀眀攀 挀漀氀漀眀爀搀ഊbrey mulburus; & serue yt for(th)e."
਀ഊ[37. To make murrey, take mulberries and crush them in a mortar, and
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਀琀栀椀挀欀攀渀攀爀崀 愀渀搀 眀栀椀琀攀 最爀攀愀猀攀 嬀瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 爀攀渀搀攀爀攀搀 氀愀爀搀崀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 氀攀琀 椀琀 挀漀洀攀ഊto a boil no more often than once. And add a good amount of sugar,
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਀ഊThere's a series of fairly similar, generic medieval English
਀瀀漀琀琀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 愀氀氀 戀愀猀攀搀 漀渀 挀爀甀猀栀攀搀 昀爀甀椀琀 ⠀爀愀猀瀀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 猀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀爀椀攀猀Ⰰഊcherries, etc.), all, for the most part, named for the fruit in
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਀栀攀爀攀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 搀椀猀栀 ∀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最∀ 漀爀 ∀挀栀愀爀最攀愀甀渀琀∀Ⰰ 猀漀 䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀 眀栀礀ഊso many people assume it's supposed to be so thick.
਀ഊSpecifically regarding murrey, there's more than one such recipe
਀愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 愀渀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 漀渀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀 渀漀ഊmulberries, but which is thickened like the rest and colored with
਀猀愀甀渀搀攀爀猀 琀漀 爀攀猀攀洀戀氀攀 愀 戀攀爀爀礀 搀椀猀栀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 瀀漀琀琀愀最攀猀ഊspecify meat (either calling for it as an ingredient or mentioning in
਀瀀愀猀猀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 搀椀猀栀 椀猀 琀漀 戀攀 瀀漀甀爀攀搀 漀瘀攀爀 洀攀愀琀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 搀漀渀✀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀ഊit's conceivable that the ones that don't mention it could still be
਀挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 猀愀甀挀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀䄀搀愀洀愀渀琀椀甀猀ഊ
਀ഊDate: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:45:30 -0600
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀吀攀爀爀礀 䐀攀挀欀攀爀∀ 㰀琀⸀搀⸀搀攀挀欀攀爀 愀琀 眀漀爀氀搀渀攀琀⸀愀琀琀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Neolithic fig agriculture and storage find
਀吀漀㨀 ∀䌀漀漀欀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ
਀㸀 匀漀 眀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 愀搀瘀愀渀琀愀最攀 漀昀 最爀漀眀椀渀最 愀 瀀愀爀琀栀攀渀漀挀愀爀瀀椀挀 瀀氀愀渀琀Ⰰ 挀漀洀瀀愀爀攀搀ഊ> to the regular version? It sounds like they take more effort to raise
਀㸀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 爀攀最甀氀愀爀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀⸀ 䤀猀 椀琀 樀甀猀琀 琀栀攀 愀搀瘀愀渀琀愀最攀 漀昀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀ഊ> deal with a seed?
਀㸀ഊ> Stefan
਀ഊYou get more edible mass per fruit.  Just compare domesticated bananas with
਀琀栀攀 栀攀愀瘀椀氀礀 猀攀攀搀攀搀 眀椀氀搀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀⸀  䈀攀挀愀甀猀攀 瀀愀爀琀栀攀渀漀挀愀爀瀀礀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀猀 攀砀琀攀爀渀愀氀ഊintervention to reproduce, it is often considered a sign of domestication.
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਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris	fruits-msg	Page 48 of 48
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