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apples-cinn-msg - 7/24/11


Period recipes which include both apples and cinnamon.


NOTE: See also the files: apples-msg, crabapples-msg, Hst-U-o-Aples-art, fruits-msg, cinnamon-msg, Cinnamon-Vari-art, fruit-pies-msg, Period-Fruit-art.





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    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

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Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 10:23:56 -0400

From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] A question of philosophy


On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:55 AM, Claire Clarke wrote:. snipped

<<< But having, as I said, gone back to look at several mediaeval (English) recipes for apple fritters, I haven't seen any with cinnamon in them (a couple with pepper, which is interesting). So I'm guessing the 'apples go with cinnamon' connection which seems so automatic to us, hadn't been made in the 15th century. >>>


Or one could mention it casually and let the librarian research it.  

Here are a few recipes with apples and cinnamon. I'll check for  

earlier recipes later. There's a connection of apples with saffron too.


A Proper newe Booke of Cokerye

(England, mid-16th c.)

The original source can be found at Thomas Gloning's website


To make pyes of grene apples. Take your apples and pare them cleane  

and core them as ye wyll a Quince, then make youre coffyn after this  

maner, take a lyttle fayre water and half a dyche of butter and a  

little Saffron, and sette all this upon a chafyngdyshe tyll it be  

hoate then temper your flower with this sayd licuor, and the whyte of  

two egges and also make your coffyn and ceason your apples with  

Sinemone, Gynger and Suger ynoughe. Then putte them into your coffin  

and laye halfe a dyshe of butter above the mand so close your coffin,  

and so bake them.


The Neapolitan recipe collection

(Italy, 15th c - T. Scully, trans.)

The original source can be found at University of Michigan Digital  

General Collection


French-Style Apple Tart. Cook whatever apples you want, whether in  

water or in must syrup, whether in a baking dish in the oven or under  

the coals; then get pinenuts that have soaked a night in water, and  

are not rancid, grind them up with the apples; get a lot of sugar, a  

little cinnamon, a little ginger, a little saffron and a beaker of  

ground and strained pike eggs, and mix and strain everything with  

rosewater or some other water; then make a dough of sugar, flour, oil,  

water and salt, mix them together to make the dough, spread it over  

the bottom of a low pan, and put the mixture in so that it is no more  

than a finger deep; cook it in the oven or on the fire as is directed  

for the other tortes; when almost cooked, get wafers, crumble them  

over the Tart -those wafers should be made with good sugar; when  

cooked, garnish with sugar and rosewater.



A Book of Cookrye

(England, 1591)indexed at medievalcookery.


Tartes of Apples with covers. Mince your Apples very small, season  

them with Sugar, sinamon & ginger, and laye thereon a faire cover, and  

dresse your cover when it is halfe baked with Rosewater and Sugar.


Das Kuchbuch der Sabina Welserin

(Germany, 16th century - V. Armstrong, trans.)

The original source can be found at David Friedman's website


177 To make an apple tart. Take apples, peel them and grate them with  

a grater, afterwards fry them in fat. Then put in it as much grated  

cheese as apples, some ground cloves, a little ginger and cinnamon,  

two eggs. Stir it together well. Then prepare the dough as for a flat  

cake, put a small piece of fat into it so that it does not rise, and  

from above and below, weak heat. Let it bake slowly.


and from EEBO and 17th century


To make Fritters.


Make your Batter with Ale, and Eggs, and Yest, season it with Milk,  

Cloves, Mace, Cinnamon, Nutmeg, and Salt, cut your Apples like Beanes,  

then put your Apples and Butter together, fry them in  boyling Lard,  

strew on Sugar, and serve them.



A choice manual of rare and select secrets in physick and chyrurgery  

collected and practised by the Right Honorable, the Countesse of Kent,  

late deceased ; as also most exquisite ways of preserving, conserving,  

candying, &c. ; published by W.I., Gent.

Kent, Elizabeth Grey, Countess of, 1581-1651., W. J. 1653.





Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:47:22 -0700 (PDT)

From: wheezul at canby.com

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] A question of philosophy


While cinnamon and sugar used in apple fritters is documented in German

recipes within the SCA period, I don't know if you are trying to go by a

narrower definition for your group.  Usually SCA groups are pretty

free-form with a multiple of range of time periods represented in a single

camp, so unless there was an understanding about limiting documentary

sources, I'd tend to have a pretty liberal interpretation.


But ultimately, I personally would have given my guest whatever was

requested, documented or not, in the name of noble hospitality.




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