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Food of Classical Rome. Apicius.

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:02:55 -0700
From: "E. Rain" <raghead at liripipe.com>
Subject: SC - RE: sca-cooks V1 #2404

Good morning from Eden,
Alys Katherine wrote re gunthar's request for info on Roman foods "If you're
not in any rush about the research, what might
be available in the records about Pompeii and Herculaneum?"

Along this line I'd suggest looking at 'Art, Culture, & Cuisine'  by Phyllis
Pray Bober.  (The University of Chicago Press, 1998.)  ISBN 0-226-06253-8.

I've only had time to skim it so far, but the section on roman cuisine looks
like it has a lot of content re foods from both Pompeii & Herculaneum.  My
first glance was intersecting enough that i plan to use it as a tour guide
for my visit to Pompeii later this year :->

Also if you have heating facilities for these "food booths" the tarentine
meatballs from apicius are VERY yummy.

Eden


Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:07:25 EDT
From: ChannonM at aol.com
Subject: SC - Roman Recipes LONG

Hello everyone,
Bear (I believe)posted earlier requesting info about Roman finger foods (I 
think), here is my collections of recipes that have been mostly direct 
redactions, some are adaptions based on other Roman recipes. If any of them 
are of interest let me know, I'll post recipe. I've also included a 
suggestion to use Vehling (gasp) in conjunction with an online Latin version 
of Apicius, it's better than nothing for all it's worth.

I do have a document in the works that has tips on working with Roman food 
(ie substitutions for garum) these tips have been gleaned from discussions on 
various lists, personal experience and research. It's too long to put on the 
cooks list, but could be available to the Florilegium if anyones interested. 
I have to tweak a few things, but other than that, it's useable and as 
documented as possible.

Moretaria
SalaCattabia
Flat Bread
Green Beans and chickpeas   (An adapted hummous type dish)
Stuffed Chicken with Sauce ala Apicius
Ne Lactucae Laedant/A harmless salad
Ova Elixa/ Hard Boiled Eggs
Phaseoli Virides Frictae/ Fried Green Beans
Porcus Farcimina Mellitum/Honey Pork Sausage (an adaption of an iscia style 
dish)
Frumentum/Barley Frumenty
Pernam et Ficus/Ham with Figs
Isicia Amulato ab Aheno/Rissoles with a Thick Sauce in a Metal Casserole
Alicam Vel Succum Tisanai
/Cracked Wheat
Dulcia Domestica/Homemade Sweets
Savillum/Cheesecake

In addition, I came across a reference in the Archaeology magazine, 
November/December 1990 Dining with the Ancients-by Edith Evans

Some of her extrapolations are off slightly in my opinion but she mentions 
the following that might be of interest to you.

" One example of a site where the study of bones gave an interesting insight 
into food consumption was the main baths in the fortress of the Second 
Aughustan Legion at Caerleon (Roman Isca) in Britain. The animal remains from 
the lowest levels of the principal drain consisted overwhelmingly of chicken 
bones with a lesser amount of mutton chops, suggestiong that guests at the 
baths wer able to obtain snacks"

I can also recall a painting on a wall in Pompei, that was an advertisement 
for the occupants ham, it appears the owner of the building or occupant was a 
food vendor.I was concentrating on the food of the Roman Army and didn't hold 
on to the reference, but it is very popular in books on Vesuvius and Pompei. 

The full latin text of Apicius can be found at 
http://users.ipa.net/~tanker
you could use this in conjuction with the Vehling edition so you could at 
least analyze the text as Vehling doesn't give the original latin.

here are two good Latin dictionaries on line;
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/lexica.html
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/searches.html

Here are a few websites on Roman food and related links
http://www.ancientsites.com/xi/interface/bb/readTopic.rage?BB=xi_data/Rome/
bb/main&TT=355

>http://www.ancientsites.com/~Caius_Livius

Here is a really fun reference for Moretaria (Roman cheese spread) that 
someone posted on the Apicius list;

The following scene is from Aristophanes' _Peace_. In this scene,
Trygaeus, a crazy old man, is spying on the personification of War. War
makes a "myttotos" (which also happens to be the title of the greek poem
virgil's Moretum is said to be based on!), with each of the ingredients
allegorically representing a city of Greece. Fortunately he can't find
the pestle, required to mash it (and hence Greece) to a pulp.
    This translation comes from Perseus online. The bracketed numerals
indicate line numbers if you want to track down the reference yourself,
say to compare the Greek.


     War:Enters, carrying a huge mortar. 
Oh! mortals, mortals, wretched mortals, how your jaws will snap!


     Trygaeus:Oh! divine Apollo! what a prodigious big mortar! Oh, what 
misery the very sight of War causes me! [240] This then is
the foe from whom I fly, who is so cruel, so formidable, so stalwart, so
solid on his legs!

     War:Oh! Prasiae! thrice wretched, five times, aye, a thousand times
wretched! for thou shalt be destroyed this day.
     (He throws some leeks into the mortar. )

     Trygaeus: (to the audience. )This, gentlemen, does not concern us over 
much; [245] it's only so much the worse for the Laconians.

     War:Oh! Megara! Megara! how utterly are you going to be ground up! what 
fine mincemeat are you to be made into!
     (He throws in some garlic. )

     Trygaeus:   (Aside. )Alas! alas! what bitter tears there will be among 
the Megarians!

     War:(throwing in some cheese.)[250] Oh, Sicily! you too must perish! 
Your wretched towns shall be grated like this cheese. Now let us pour some 
Attic honey into the mortar.
     (He does so.) 

     Trygaeus: (Aside.)Oh! I beseech you! use some other honey; this kind is 
worth four obols;be careful, oh! be careful of our Attic honey.

     War:[255] Hi! Tumult, you slave there!

     Tumult:What do you want?

     War:Out upon you! Standing there with folded arms! Take this cuff on the
head for your pains.

     Tumult:Oh! how it stings! Master, have you got garlic in your fist, I 
wonder?

     War:Run and fetch me a pestle.

     Tumult:But [260] we haven't got one; it was only yesterday we moved.

     War: Go and fetch me one from Athens, and hurry, hurry!

     Tumult:I'll hurry; if I return without one, I shall have no cause for 
laughing. [etc.]


Not totally reverent, but amusing!.

Hauviette


Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:50:46 EDT
From: ChannonM at aol.com
Subject: SC - Re: sca-cooks V1 #2409

> excerpt from a fictional account of young cleopatra, Cleopatra VII,
>  Daughter of the Nile  Egypt 57 B.C.
>  " The cook put ground meat onto a plate.  Several small bowls on a
>  sideboard held salt and other spices.  He pinched some of each, then
>  added a fistful of pine nuts to the meat, mixing it together with his
>  hands.  Then he patted the meat into two flat disks, each the size of his
>  palm.
>  "from a jar he poured olive oil into a pan that was heating on the coals.
>   The oil spit when he dropped in the meat, then began sizzling.... I
>  asked what our meal was called.  It had tasted so good.  'The usual', she
>  said, 'fried dormouse.' "
>  question 1--- did they actually have an equivelent to hamburgers?!  or is
>  this just writer's license?

Actually this is very similar to "iscia" type recipes of the Roman food. 
Here is my redaction for 
Isicia Amulato ab Aheno/Rissoles with a Thick Sauce in a Metal Casserole
The recipe I chose to adapt does not designate which type of meat to use so I 
decided to use beef. Beef was not a common meat as it was a work animal and 
was rarely found to be other than a tough meat.  However, beef is mentioned 
in one recipe  and veal in three more in  Book V Bubula Sive Vitellina/Beef 
or Veal,  of the Apicius manuscript (Flower and Rosenbaum).
Original Recipe
Book II Section II-7Isicia Amulata ab Aheno sic facies/Rissoles with a thick 
sauce in a metal casserole.
Make as follows;Pound  pepper, lovage, origan, a little silphium, a pinch of 
ginger and a little honey blend with liquamen, mix. Pour over the rissoles, 
bring to boil. When boiling fast thicken cornflour*and serve. The dish should 
be sipped.
* Flower & Rosenbaum,  have substituted cornflour as the thickener of choice 
in this recipe. Although I agree with their substitution, the period 
thickener was amulum, a wheat or rye starch as corn was not available to the 
Roman table. 
The original recipe calls for the spices to be cooked in the broth  and the 
meatballs to be added. I have chosen to combine the spices, herbs and meat,  
form into meatballs and cook in the liquid ingredients. This choice was one 
to facilitate a successful feast dish  for 100, however the choice is up to 
the cook and I have used the method of the original recipe as well.
Redacted Recipe 
2 lb ground round
3 TB fresh lovage chopped
2 TB fresh oregano chopped
1 1/2 tsp honey
1 tsp ground ginger
1 tsp asafoetida
1/2 tsp fresh ground black pepper
1 tsp anchovy paste in 2 cups beef broth (when working with this recipe, it 
was impossible to have it "boil" with out more liquid. I chose to 
incorporate the beef stock to accomodate this)
Combine the spices, herbs and ground meat. Form into 2 inch meat balls. In a 
large skillet, heat broth and honey. Add meatballs and cook 10 minutes or 
until the meat is no longer pink. Remove the meatballs and set aside. Add 2 
tsp cornstarch to 1/2 cup cold water and stir into the broth. Bring to a boil 
and stir until thickened. Place the meatballs on a platter and pour gravy 
over. Serve garnished with parsley. 

Hauviette


Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:07:17 -0700
From: Susan Fox-Davis <selene at earthlink.net>
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Subject: Roman Cookery Websites was Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: exchanging treats,
 singles, etc.

Mari wrote:
> OOOhhh - obligitory foodie content - anyone have any good Roman cookery
> websites book marked???

Let's see...

"The Roman Orgy Page" actually part of an Apicius group, good links
[including sites in German and French]
http://www.mysunrise.ch/users/julien.courtois/orgy/index.html

Part of a Latin 2 online course, related pages are interesting too
http://www.dl.ket.org/latin2/mores/food/home.htm

MORETUM by Virgil - only one recipe, but what a source!
http://virgil.org/appendix/moretum.htm

Selene, Caid


Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 11:11:53 -0400
From: kattratt <kattratt at home.com>
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: Roman Cookery Websites 

Mari wrote:
> OOOhhh - obligitory foodie content - anyone have any good Roman cookery
> websites book marked???

I have this...
http://www.lewis-kappes.com/LK/Pompeiiana/TheRomanCookery/SOTHEMEALS.htm

Nichola


From: "Kayah" <fairyelf at accessv.com>
To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Question to the group....
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:41:31 -0500

> I doubt pirozhki or pierogies made out of sauerkraut is
> period because first of all sauerkraut is German and i'm not sure what the
> shelf life of sauerkraut is but traveling that far could have ruined it.
>
> Misha

In Poland, Sauerkraut has a very Polish name: Kapusta Kiszona (trans.
pickled cabbage).. I honestly don't know anything about its periodicity, but
regular cabbage was indeed VERY common for at least the past 1000 years, and
continues to be so :)

Kay


Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 21:35:56 -0400
From: johnna holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Roman Display, was Sugar Plate Again

lilinah at earthlink.net wrote: snipped--
> Indeed. We are aware that it isn't Roman. But i'm at a loss for what
> to do to make something rather special, other than serving good tasty
> food - and other than the sugar plate serving dishes and the "Peach
> Pits", the food will be "period". snipped

> But if anyone has any food display ideas for a Roman feast, i'd love to
> hear it. Anahita


You might try looking at books like
Emily Gowers. The Loaded Table. Representations
of Food in Roman Literature. This is more
gastronomy and not cookery. It doesn't have recipes.
There are a number of these that might give you some
ideas.
Patrick Faas' new book does have recipes:
Around the Roman Table. It might give you some ideas.

Johnnae llyn Lewis   Johnna Holloway


Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 06:58:18 -0500
From: margali <mtraber251 at earthlink.net>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] pig newton / pernam
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

http://www.geocities.com/aruvqann/pernam.html

yay, i finally got my 'pig newton' article webbed=)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Aruvqan, nicknamed Margali


Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:18:56 -0600
From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Book question
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

>>>
Does anybody have an opinion about A Taste of Ancient Rome by Ilaria Gozzini Giacosa

Elewyiss
<<<

It's not the be all, end all of Roman cookery, but it has a wider selection
of recipes than just Apicius.  The recipes consist of a transcription of the
original text, a translation and an adaptation.  There is also information
about the menus, dining and food sources.  I find it a nice supplement to
more scholarly works.

Bear


Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:04:09 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] For those interested in Ancient Roman Dining
To: "mk-cooks at midrealm.org" <mk-cooks at midrealm.org>,	Cooks within the
	SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Jessica's Biscuit is offering the following
[www.ecookbooks.com]

     Roman Dining :
A Special Issue of American Journal of Philology
by Gold, Barbara, editor
Paperback - 216 pages Published: June 2005 	
Price: $15.96 List: $19.95
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This special issue of the American Journal of Philology illuminates the
nature and function of food and dining in the Roman world, offering
historical, sociological, literary, cultural, and material perspectives.
The articles collected here explore topics from diverse fields to
analyze Roman culture and material practice, including the dietary
practices and nutritional concerns of the Romans, dining and its links
to ideology during the early imperial period, public banqueting and its
social function in Roman society, and the emphasis placed on the waiting
servant in both domestic and funerary settings.
The American Journal of Philology is renowned for its role in helping to
shape American classical scholarship. Today the Journal has achieved
worldwide recognition as a forum for international exchange among
classicists by publishing original research in Greco-Roman literature,
and culture.
Additional Information: Black and White Illustrations
ISBN: 0801882028 Johns Hopkins University Press; Item Number: 07134

You can also find it here
http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/title_pages/8807.html

Johnnae llyn Lewis


Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:53:20 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks]Hagen books and others
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

<snip>

Alcock, Joan P. Food in Roman Britain. Stroud, Gloucestershire, UK and
Charleston, SC: Tempus, 2001. Alcock presents archaeological evidence
for what the Romans ate in Britain. This is not a recipe book.

Even earlier -- Wood, Jacqui. Prehistoric Cooking. Stroud,
Gloucestershire, UK and Charleston, SC: Tempus, 2001.
It covers what the prehistoric Celts ate. She talks about the problems
one encounters when attempting to recreate the life of a people who
left no written records.

Johnnae llyn Lewis


Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:30:20 -0400
From: Barbara Benson <voxeight at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] ancient Roman cookery
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

I also am fascinated by the Ancient Roman cuisine. I didn't realize
how fascinated I was by it until I looked at my cookbook collection
and realized that I had managed to accumulate quite a few books on the
subject, more so than any other specific period cuisine (except maybe
German).

Here is an interpretation of a Roman Dish that I served at my
Norman-Sicilian feast. It went over like gangbusters. I dropped the
number of spices used to adjust it towards what I felt was a later
style (losing the things that were out of favor by the 12th century).
But I do not believe adding stuff back in would do anything but make
it taste better. And I used canola oil to cut down on the cost of
Olive Oil that I had in the feast.

Another Style for Roasts: Take 6 scruples of parsley, of laser just as
many, 6 of ginger, 5 laurel berries, 6 scruples of preserved laser
root, Cyprian rush 6, 6 of origany, a little costmary, 3 scruples of
chamomile, 6 scruples of celery seed, 12 scruples of pepper, and broth
and oil as much as it will take up.

Recipe:
3 lbs Beef Roast
1 t Pickling Salt
3/4 t Black Pepper
2 t Ground Ginger
2 T Nuc Nam
1 t Dried Oregano
1 T Canola Oil

Combine all ingredients except pepper and allow to marinate for
several hours in refrigerator. Before cooking, add the pepper and seal
tightly in aluminum foil pouch. Preheat oven to 350° F and roast for 1
hour and 25 minutes, or until you have reached desired internal temp.

Glad Tidings,
Serena da Riva


Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:43:45 -0700
From: Susan Fox <selene at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] ancient Roman cookery
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Volker Bach wrote:
>> If you've ever made anything with garum, I'd love to hear from you.
>>
>> Aurelia
>
> Me, I did. Regularly do. Not that being 'pre-period' is regarded highly in
> central Drachenwald, but my secondary persona, Titus Flavius T.f.  
> Artemidorus is something of a gourmet.

> Have you ever managed to get a Roman feast served? They're dead  
> against it in my Shire.
>
> Giano

Sure.  I was the court provisioner [lunch wagon, grin] for a king who
was into Roman Stuff, who trusted me implicitly to make Nice Things and
nothing nasty.  If I had come up with wolf nipple chips and candied
hummingbird tongues, I would have been summarily dismissed, don't you
think?

But it's not like cooks abandoned Apicius in the year 1000, after all.

  Try out some of the dishes on your Drachwalders and just don't tell
them the documentation until after they have tried it.  I suggest the
ham and fig pie, nicknamed "Pig Newtons" [takeoff on popular cookie in
the US, Fig Newtons], available in the Florilegium here:
  <http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-MEATS/ham-msg.html>  The Vehling
translation cites a graffito claiming it's so good that you will lick
the dish it was cooked in.

For garum, I use Nuoc Nam, which in is easily available in Southern
California with its rich pan-Asian immigration.  Just a dash will do,
like a dash of any other condiment in a larger dish.

Selene


Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:14:10 -0700
From: lilinah at earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] ancient Roman cookery
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Giano answered:
> Have you ever managed to get a Roman feast served? They're dead  
> against it in my Shire.

Whoa! Really?

I made a somewhat expansive Greco-Roman feast a few years ago - no
problem. A couple people (ok, three) were squeamish about fish sauce,
but most people (close to 100) had no such problem.

Here's my menu for around 26 dishes:

**** Ab Ovo Ad Malum ****


* Promulsis - Hors d'Oeuvres *
- Panis : Fresh Bread (made by a Laurel for bread)
- Caseum : Fresh Aged Cheese
- Epityrum : Chopped Seasoned Olive Relish [Cato the Censor, de
Agricultura, 119]
- Ius cum Ovis Hapalis : Boiled Eggs in Pine Nut Sauce [Apicius, Book
VII, Chapter XIX, Recipe 3]
(the autocrat has asked me to cook this for his wedding dinner, which
is not a period meal)


* Gustatio - Appetizers *
- Panis : Fresh Bread
- Moretum : Garlic, Herb, and Cheese Spread [The Ploughman's Lunch,
anonymous Latin poet]
- Aliter Carduos : Herb Marinated Artichokes [Apicius, Book III,
Chapter XIX, Recipe 2]
- Ius in Cordulla Assa : Grilled Tuna with Date Sauce [Apicius, Book
IX, Chapter X, Recipe 5]
(i used fresh tuna i got from a Japanese fish market - a little less
than 1 ounce per person, cuz it's expensive)


* Intermezzo Primo *
- Granita di Limone : Lemon Ice
(Not really period, but it was *hot* that day and the hall was hot
and stuffy, so i wanted something refreshing)


Primera Mensa, Cena Prima
First Course, First Table
- Ius cum Pullo : Chicken with Plum Sauce [Apicius, Book VI, Chapter
V, Recipe 1]
- Acetaria : Mixed Greens Salad
- Hypotrimma : Cheese Sauce [Apicius, Book I, Chapter XIX]
- Boletos : Another Mushroom Dish [Apicius, Book VII, Chapter XIII,  
Recipe 6]
- Erebinthoi Knakosymmigeis : Saffron Chickpeas [Piloxenus, The
Dinner, quoted in Anthenaeus (circa AD170-239), The Partying
Professors]


* Intermezzo Secundo *
- Granita di Melograno : Pomegranate Ice
(Not really period, but it was *hot* that day and the hall was hot
and stuffy, so i wanted something refreshing)


* Primera Mensa, Cena Secunda *
* First Course, Second Table *
- Pernam : Ham with Figs in Pastry [Apicius, Book VII, Chapter IX,  
Recipe 1]
(i ended up not wrapping the ham with figs in dough. I suspect that
part of the reason for cooking it that way in Roman times was to make
sure it was juicy and sweet, but our ham was already cooked and
tender...)
- Lucanicae : Smokey Sausages of Lamb [Apicius, Book II, Chapter IV]
(should be pork, but the Prince keeps kosher so i wanted something he
could eat. I couldn't find non-pork casings, so i formed the ground
lamb into sausage shapes and baked them. We had a small earthquake
while i was making these and there i was, trying to decide if i
should flee downstairs to the street with raw lamb up past my wrists)
- Sinapim : Mustard Sauce with Nuts [Columella 12, 57]
- Cuminatum in Patina de Persicis : Peaches in Cumin Sauce [Patina:
Apicius, Book IV, Chapter II, Recipe 34]
(this was amazingly popular - really really really sweet delicious
ripe peaches tossed with fish sauce and cumin seed - i toasted the
cumin before i ground it - fabulous - but in large measure because
the peaches were absolutely superb)
- Cabbage in the Style of Athens [Mnesitheus (4th c. BCE), quoted by
Oribasius, in Medical Collections, Book IV, Chapter 4, part 1 (4th c.
CE); another version in Cato (c. 234-149 BCE) and quoted by Pliny the
Elder (24-79 CE)]
- Pulentium : Barley Polenta [Pliny, Naturalis Historia, 18, 73]
(i couldn't find barley grits in any stores that used to carry them -
i have since found i must order them directly from the producer. We
gamely tried to grind the whole hulled barley i'd bought - didn't
work too well, but the dish came out ok)


* Seconda Mensa, Cena Prima *
* Second Course, First Table *
- Conditum Paradoxi Compositio : Spiced White Grape Juice Surprise
[Apicius, Book I, Chapter I, Recipe 1]
(since we can't serve wine)
- Patina Versatilis : Pine Nut Patina - [Apicius, Book IV, Chapter
II, Recipe 2]
(the cook who made it does it like a delicate custard (Hi,
Cordelia!). I'm certain this was not the Roman way, but her Patina is
so incredibly delicious, which is why i asked her to do it. It was
sucked up by the crowd - one person had, oh, i'm forgetting, like 5
helpings - or was it 8?)- Mustei : Sweet Must Cakes [Cato the Censor,
de Agricultura, 121]
(i found that the expensive must i bought tasted a lot like "raisin
juice" which is cheap - next time i substitute it for must and put
more into the recipe)


* Seconda Mensa, Cena Seconda *
* Second Course, Second Table *
- Savillum : Roman cheese cake [Cato the Censor, de Agricultura, 84]
- Almond Paste Peach Pits in Sugar Plate Chariots
(not period, but i wanted some sort of sotiltie)
- Fresh Fruit Salad
(Period fruits, but cut up and tossed together, since whole fruits
would be too much after all this food)

My recipes and comments are at
http://home.earthlink.net/~lilinah/2003-Mists_Bardic/2003-Greco- 
Roman0.html
-- 
Urtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM)
the persona formerly known as Anahita


Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 07:22:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Aurelia Coritana <aurelia_coritana at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] a sampling of ancient Roma
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

These are the recipes I am planning for an upcoming meal with ancient  
Roman reenactors in my area.  I hope you enjoy them!

(Gustatio)


BOILED EGGS WITH PINE NUT SAUCE

4 medium-boiled eggs
2 ounces pine nuts
3 tablespoons vinegar
1 teaspoon honey
Pinch each of pepper and lovage (or celery leaf)

Soak the pine nuts 3-4 hours beforehand in the vinegar.  Medium boil  
the eggs and remove the shell.  Mix all the sauce ingredients  
thoroughly in a blender. This exquisite sauce should be presented in  
a sauce boat so that each person can serve himself or herself, since  
the eggs cannot be sliced and placed on a dish in advance.


OLIVES WITH HERBS

100g/3 oz whole green olives
100g/3 oz whole black olives
1 tsp cumin
1/2 tsp fennel seeds
A bunch of fresh coriander leaves
A sprig of rue
2 or 3 mint leaves
2 tbsp olive oil
3 tbsp white wine vinegar

Grind the cumin and fennel seeds. Finely chop the coriander, rue and  
mint. Mix all ingredients in a bowl. Serve.


(Primae Mensae)
PORK IN A FIG SAUCE

1 kg/2 lb pork
120 ml/4 fl oz olive oil
Juice of half a lemon
1/4 litre / 1/2 pint sweet white wine
5 dried figs
2 tsp coriander seeds
2 tsp dried oregano
3 tbsp white wine vinegar
A handful of fresh parsley
Sea salt

Cut the pork into 2½cm/1" cubes, place them in a casserole and fry in  
a little olive oil until brown.

Grind the coriander seeds and mix with salt and lemon juice in a  
bowl. Roll the pork in the spice mixture.

Chop the figs and boil them in a saucepan for 5 minutes in a few  
tablespoons of water. Puree figs and water then add the wine,  
oregano, vinegar and fig stock to the pork.

Cook the casserole for an hour and a half in an oven pre-heated to  
180°c/350°f/Gas mark 4. Just before serving, sprinkle the finely  
chopped parsley over the pork.


(Accompaniments to the main course)

BEETS WITH LEEKS IN WINE

Whole beets
3 thinly sliced leeks
Ground pepper
Cumin
Beet stock
Sweet raisin wine

Cook beets, drain and keep the liquid. Slice the beets. Put them in a  
saucepan with leeks.

Grind pepper and cumin. Add to the leeks and beets. Then add stock  
and sweet wine.

Pour this sauce over the vegetables, bring to a boil, then simmer  
till leeks are cooked.


MUSHROOMS IN HONEY

25 g/1 oz dried mushrooms
2 tbsp red wine vinegar
1 tbsp clear honey
Sea salt (optional)

Cover the mushrooms with boiling water and soak for half an hour. Add  
the vinegar and honey and simmer, covered, for half an hour.

Season with salt if desired and serve hot.


CHICK PEAS WITH CHEESE

200g/6 oz chick peas
100g/3 oz parmesan cheese
A pinch of saffron
Sea salt

Soak the peas overnight. Drain them and put them in a saucepan with 2  
pints of water, the saffron, and the salt.  Boil them for 40 minutes  
or until tender and then drain of the water. Finely grate the cheese  
and stir it in with the peas. Serve while still warm.


(Secundae Mensae)
FETA CHEESECAKE

1 1/2 pounds feta, well drained
3 tablespoons flour
5 tablespoons honey
4 egg yolks
rind of 1/2 orange
rind of 1 lemon
1 tablespoon good wine
4 egg whites
2 tablespoons raisins
4 tablespoons toasted pistachios or walnuts

Beat together the cheese, flour, honey, yolks, rinds, and wine for 8 minutes -
until fluffy and well mixed. Add the raisins and nuts. Beat the whites stiff
and fold gently in.

Butter and flour a spring form pan. Spoon batter into the
pan. Bake at 350 degrees for 45 minutes - until the crust is golden brown.
Let it cool in the oven another 40 minutes without opening the door. Remove
from the oven. Cool in the pan and then remove the rim. Decorate as  
desired.

~Aurelia
Aurelia Coritana


Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:20:35 -0500
From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] a sampling of ancient Roma
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

I got curious about this recipe because it is more complex than Cato's
Savillum and doesn't match the white tort recipes I've seen.  Also the
addition of orange to a Roman recipe is a red flag on the historical
accuracy.

The recipe appears on the Antique Roman Cookery in February 1999.  The
author has this to say about it:

"In a message dated 2/5/99 4:42:46 AM Central Standard Time,
hibou at ... writes:

> Where is this recipe from? It includes oranges which AFAIK were  
> unknown to the ancient Romans.

This was adapted from a recipe mentioned in a book I read, which cited Pliny
as the reference. I admit I have been unable to find it in any of Pliny's
works, but it is still a tasty (if smelly) cheesecake. I did adapt it
slightly for modern use - I used orange instead of pomegrante because
pomegranate is diffilcult to get in all parts of the US. Lemon was known at
that time -although it was probably more bitter than what we use now.

Nodigio"

The problem with this response is Pliny doesn't give recipes (other than by
accident) and I don't remember any references to cheesecake.  The most
commonly quoted Roman cheesecake recipe is from Cato and is much simpler
than this recipe.  From the available evidence, I would say the recipe does
not  represent a true Roman recipe.

Bear

> I've lost track of my source for that feta cheesecake - It was a website
> that I was darned sure I had bookmarked. I'll see if I can track it  
> down for you, though...
>
> Aurelia


Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:20:04 -0400
From: "Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius"
	<adamantius.magister at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] a sampling of ancient Roma
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

On Oct 3, 2005, at 12:39 AM, Stefan li Rous wrote:

> Aurelia said:
>> These are the recipes I am planning for an upcoming meal with ancient
>> Roman reenactors in my area.  I hope you enjoy them!
>>
>> (Gustatio)
>
> Thanks. But I'm confused. Are you Aurelia? Or Gustatio? Or is the
> latter not a name? Or is one for your Roman reenactment group and
> Aurelia is your SCA name?

Someone named Aurelia is presumably female, so her name probably
wouldn't end in an "o". Unless someone stated otherwise, I'd assume,
taken somewhat out of context as it is here, that the word "Gustatio"
is being used to designate the first, or "appetizer" or "aperitif"
course of a Roman dinner. Usually salads, boiled eggs with a sauce,
things with anchovies, that sort of thing. Generally the course that
follows is the prima mensa, which can get confusing, as it is sort of
like following hors d'oeuvres with a first course.

Adamantius


Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:21:14 -0400
From: "King's Taste Productions" <kingstaste at comcast.net>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Roman food for kids - long, was: demos, Help
To: "'Cooks within the SCA'" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

>>>
I have been asked to do a cooking demo at my son's school.  They want
Roman. Any suggestions?

Jana
<<<

I have done a couple of Romano-British feasts for my students.  Here are
some of my notes.  Yes, Stephan, you may.
Christianna


Simple food ideas for what to bring to a Romano-British Feast
(handout for parents)

hazelnuts, walnuts, pine nuts
crabapples, raspberries, blackberries
Apples, grapes, figs, pears, plums, cherries
Turnips, cabbages, lettuce, peas, lentils, carrots, artichokes,
cucumber, asparagus, parsnip, celery
Salmon, trout, crab
Beef, pork, lamb
Dates, almonds, olives
Grape juice, apple juice, cider


Simple Roman Recipes
(handout for students and parents)

Stuffed Dates
6 dates per person
shelled almonds, hazelnuts or pine nuts (1 per date)
pepper and salt
3 tablespoons honey

Buy pitted dates or remove the pits.  Stuff one nut and a little pepper
into each date.  Roll the dates in salt, then heat the honey in a frying
pan, heat the dates in the honey.  Can be served hot or cold.


Chick-peas in Saffron
'And then chick-peas marinated in saffron, plump in their tender youth'
[Piloxenus "The Dinner" quoted in Anthenaeus (circa AD170-239)]

200 grams dried chick-peas
Generous pinch of saffron
Sea salt

Soak the chick peas overnight. Drain them and put them in a heavy pan
with 1 litre of water and salt. Bring to the boil, add the saffron, stir
and simmer, covered, very gently for at least one hour.  Taste to check
on saltiness.
Serve Warm.


Braised Cucumbers (Cucumeres)
'When scraped and cooked in olive oil, vinegar and honey, cucumbers are
without doubt more delicious'  [Pliny's "Natural History" (circa AD
23-79)]

1 large cucumber
3 tbsp white wine vinegar
3 tbsp olive oil
1 tbsp clear honey
Sea salt (optional)

Peel and cut the cucumber into thick slices.  Pour the white wine
vinegar, olive oil and honey into a heavy pan and cook the slices of
cucumber gently in the sauce until they are tender, shaking the pan
occasionally to redistribute the cucumber slices and ensure even
cooking.  Serve hot as a side dish.


Granita di Limone - Lemon Ice (you can cheat and buy this at the store!)


ROMAN BANQUET MENU
(served in class)

GUSTUM VERATILE
(Appetizers)
Olives, Pita Bread
Moretum (Herb and Cheese Spread)
Aqua Granata (Pomegranate Water)

CEUROS
(From the Garden)
Cymas Et Caulicules (Young Cabbage Sprouts)
Tisana Farrica (Rice, Lentils, Chickpeas, and Herbs)

POLYTELES
(Sumptuous Dishes)
BOLETO FUNGOS (Seasoned Mushrooms)
ASSATURAM SIMPLICEM (Roman Roast)
PULLUS CUM ANETHI (Chicken with Dill Sauce)

DULCIA
(Sweets)
        Dried Apricots, Dates, and Cherries


ROMAN BANQUET
Ingredients

AQUA GRANATA (Pomegranate Water) - POM pomegranate juice and water

ASSATURAM SIMPLICEM (Roman Roast) - fresh beef brisket, sea salt, black
pepper, wildflower honey

BOLETO FUNGOS (Seasoned Mushrooms) - button, French Horn and shiitake
mushrooms, Pacific mushroom broth, cilantro, white peppercorns, white
wine vinegar, red wine, red vermouth

CUCUMERES (Braised Cucumbers) - organic cucumbers, white wine vinegar,
wildflower honey, e.v. olive oil, fresh mint sprigs

CYMAS ET CAULICULES (Young Cabbage Sprouts) - broccoli, cauliflower,
scallions, cumin, cilantro

DRIED FRUITS AND NUTS - Dried Apricots, Cherries, and Pine Nuts

Moretum (Herb and Cheese Spread) garlic, cilantro, Italian flat-leafed
parsley, celery leaves, balsamic vinegar, olive oil, Pecorino Romano
cheese, salt

OLIVES -Kalamata, Orando Gaeta

PITA BREAD - Commercial Wheat

PULLUS CUM ANETHI (Chicken with Dill Sauce) - chicken cooked in aromatic
broth, dill seed, brown mustard, figs, red wine.

TISANA FARRICA (Rice, Lentils, Chickpeas and Herbs) brown rice, brown
lentils, French green lentils, chickpeas, olive oil, salt, chopped fresh
cilantro, Italian flat-leafed parsley, fennel bulb and leaf, scallions


Foods in Roman Britain
(handout for younger students)

Foods native to Britain before the Romans
Salmon, eels, trout, pike, crab, lobsters
cattle, pigs, goats, sheep, red deer, roe deer, wild ox, wild boar
otter, beaver, hare
grouse, ptarmigan, greylag goose, whooper swan
milk (but not cheese, according to Pliny)
honey, hazelnuts, walnuts, pine nuts, beech nuts, acorns
crabapples, raspberries, bilberries, blackberries, elderberries, wood strawberries
wheat (emmer), spelt, oats, barley, rye (developed more under the
Romans)
asparagus, wild chives, Celtic bean, sea kale, sea holly, hogweed,
bracken, chestnuts, wild garlic, wild cabbage, sea spinach, chard,
mallow, fat hen, purslane, nettle, lily bulbs, puffball mushroom


Foods introduced to Britain by the Romans
		Pheasants, peacocks, guinea fowl, rabbits, fallow deer
Apples, grape vines, fig, walnut, medlar, mulberry, damsons, pears,
plums, cultivated cherries, sweet chestnut
Parsley, borage, dill, fennel, mint, thyme, garlic, leek, onion,
shallot, rosemary, sage, savory, sweet marjoram, radish, thyme
Turnips, cabbages, lettuce, endive, peas, lentils, carrots, artichokes,
cucumber, asparagus, parsnip, celery


	Imported Commodities
Dates, almonds, olives, wine, olive oil, pine nuts,
fish sauce (liquamen or garum), pepper, ginger, cinnamon


Foods and Farming
(handout for older students)
	
Foods introduced to Britain by the Romans
		Pheasants, peacocks, guinea fowl, fallow deer
Apples, grape vines, fig, walnut, medlar, mulberry, damsons, pears,
plums, cultivated cherries, sweet chestnut
Parsley, borage, dill, fennel, mint, thyme, garlic, leek, onion,
shallot, rosemary, sage, savory, sweet marjoram, radish, thyme
Turnips, cabbages, lettuce, endive, peas, lentils, carrots, artichokes,
cucumber, asparagus, parsnip, celery

	Imported Commodities
Dates, almonds, olives, wine, olive oil, pine nuts,
fish sauce (liquamen or garum), pepper, ginger, cinnamon

Enclosed Game Parks
	The Romans were probably the first people with the idea of
enclosing vast tracts of land for game parks.  They kept and hunted
deer, wild boar, and bears.  They used dogs to help them hunt.  They
kept snails in jars for cleaning and fattening, and kept dormice in
pottery vessels and fed on acorns and chestnuts.  They built columbaria
or pigeon houses to keep wood pigeons

Farming Techniques
	Scientific management of livestock
	Turnips introduced as winter feed for livestock
improvements in tools such as hammers, saws, axes, planes
	Benefits of Free Food for poor citizens
Irrigation
	
	Kitchens & Cooking
	Complex Roman recipes required more cooking technique than the
simpler stews, roasts and pottages of the prehistoric cooking tradition.
They used a raised brick hearth, with cooking vessels raised on
gridirons and tripods.  Ovens were built for baking and roasting.
Stoves were heated with wood or charcoal.
  Wooden spoons were common. Food was ground up and mashed with a mortar
and pestle. Bronze graters, saucepans and strainers were used, along
with bronze pans that were coated with silver because bronze can have a
toxic reaction with certain foods. Some pans were made of lead. Pans
included a round pan called a patella; a patera was a hemispherical pan;
a patina was a deep pan. An olla was a wide-mouthed container for
cooking food.  When a commercially-purchased bottle was empty of
whatever it had originally contained, it was kept and reused to store
food in the kitchen. Because pots were not glazed, they would sour as
they aged, so the Romans threw a lot of them away.


Read More About Food in Roman Britain
(handout for parents and students)

Apicius - The surname of several men in Ancient Rome, of whom at least
two were known for setting a good table.  Marcus Apicius lived around
100 B.C., and M. Gabius Apicius, who lived under Augstus and Tiberius,
80 B.C. to 40 A.D.  This collection of recipes was augmented many times,
the latest additions coming from sometime in the 3rd century.

Flower, Barbara & Rosenbaum, Elizabeth, Translators. Apicius, The Roman
Cookery Book. Peter Nevill, Ltd, London & New York: 1958.

Vehling, J.D., Translator. APICIUS: COOKING AND DINING IN IMPERIAL ROME
Dover edition, printed in 1977, an unabridged edition of the work
originally published in 1936.  Generally considered inferior to the F&R
translation noted above.   (noted as  [V. AP]  and  [F&R AP]  on the
menu)

Ancient Arts On-Line: The Roman Cookery Page
http://www.ancientartsonline.com/theromancookingpage.htm

Dalby. Andrew Siren Feasts, A History of Food and Gastronomy in
Greece. Routledge, London & New York: 1996.

Dalby. Andrew Empire of Pleasures, Luxury and Indulgence in the Roman
World. Routledge, London & New York: 2000.

Dalby. Andrew.  Dangerous Tastes: The Story of Spices. University of
California Press, Berkeley & Los Angeles: 2000.

Dalby, Andrew and Grainger, Sally. The Classical Cookbook. British
Museum Press, London: revised edition 2000.

Faas, Patrick.  Around the Roman Table: Food and Feasting in Ancient
Rome. Translated by Shaun Whiteside. Palgrave Macmillan, New York and
Hampshire UK: 1994, 2003.

Giacosa, Ilaria Gozzini. A Taste of Ancient Rome. Translated by Anna
Herklotz. University of Chicago Press, Chicago and London: 1992.

Grant, Mark.  Roman Cookery: Ancient Recipes for Modern Kitchens
Interlink Pub Group  July 2000 ISBN: 1897959397

Renfrew, Jane. Food & Cooking in Roman Britain.  English Heritage, 1985.
ISBN 1 85074 534 x


Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:29:54 -0400
From: "King's Taste Productions" <kingstaste at comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] Roman food for kids addendum
To: "'Cooks within the SCA'" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

I should have mentioned the service style as well.  We collapsed the
legs on three tables (for 16 or so diners) and put tablecloths on them.
We asked all of the children to bring a big pillow to lounge on.  On the
table were games, dice, table settings.  They sat on the floor and
overflow cloths, and leaned on the pillows (we ended up with lots).  The
parents helped me serve, the kids thought that being served at table (on
the floor) by their parents was the coolest thing ever!

One of my kid's father is a medieval professor, and he brought Cato "On
Agriculture" and read a passage in Latin and then in English during the
meal!

I thought it was cool.

I announced each course and talked about the foods.  They were all
expected to try each dish, although not to finish it.  They just had to
taste.  I served the first course and came out and all anyone had
touched was the white bread. I said "You did not come here today to eat
lunch, you came to learn about new things you have never tried before.
I'd be willing to guess that everyone here knew what white bread tasted
like before today, right?" (lots of nodding heads).  :)  Overall, both
groups have loved it.  The older group I did it for was teens - 13 - 16,
the second group was younger - 5-9.  And all the parents and siblings
that could get there.

Christianna


Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:58:06 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Forthcoming titles Fall 2008 LONG
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

As promised sometime back here's a list of some forthcoming
fall 08- winter 09
titles that might be of interest to readers of this list.
They cover a full range of topics.
I've included details, descriptions or links where I have them.
A number of the lists I used didn't record prices possibly because
they were not yet set.

Johnnae

-----------------
There are new editions appearing:

  These include a new edition of Roman Cookery: Ancient Recipes for
Modern Kitchens  (Paperback) by Mark Grant
   coming in November. *Paperback:* 192 pages
  Serif Publishing; 2 Rev Upd edition (November 15, 2008)


Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:30:56 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Cato as a recipe source
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Mark Grant's volume Roman Cookery: Ancient Recipes for Modern Kitchens
features a number of recipes from Cato or suggested by Cato.
Cato and Varro: On Agriculture (Loeb Classical Library No. 283) is 
available in a hardcover edition for $24.

Johnnae

David Friedman wrote:
<<< I just came across the recipes in De Agricultura. Are other people 
familiar with them?

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cato/De_Agricultura/E*.html >>>


Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:30:41 -0400
From: Elaine Koogler <kiridono at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Cato as a recipe source
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

I also found a few recipes, plus some other information in a book "A Taste
of Ancient Rome" by Ilaria Gozzini Giacosa and Anna Herklotz.  Not sure how
great the book is, but at the time it was very helpful and one of the few
sources from the period that was available (about 10 years ago!)

Kiri

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com> wrote:
<<< Mark Grant's volume Roman Cookery: Ancient Recipes for Modern Kitchens
features a number of recipes from Cato or suggested by Cato.
Cato and Varro: On Agriculture (Loeb Classical Library No. 283) is
available in a hardcover
edition for $24.

Johnnae >>>


Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:34:46 -0400
From: Barbara Benson <voxeight at gmail.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Roman Servingware
To: Cooks List <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

I am doing some research for something else and I came across this
interesting photograph on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mm38/2916191750/in/pool-ancientpaint
The caption reads:
Fresco from a tomb at Pompeii, located outside the vesuvian gate. It
shows a set of roman silverware laid out on a table, with red drapes
behind.

Thought it might pique someone's interest here on the list.
--
Serena da Riva


Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:27:24 -0800
From: lilinah at earthlink.net
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] My "Roman Meal" display at A and S

H Westerlund-Davis wrote:
<<< Was that cantelope with fish sauce as part of a dressing? What a 
wild combination. I would think it would have to be a mild form of a 
fish sauce. Does it explain why fish? I immediately thought of salt 
and sweet combination. >>>

There are some common combinations in Roman cooking...and fish sauce 
shows up in almost everything

For a 26-dish Roman feast i made for 80 diners, i prepared peaches 
with ground roasted cumin, lovage (i substituted Chinese parsley 
because i couldn't find fresh lovage herb), and fish sauce. It was a 
huge hit.

Patina de Persicis : Peaches in Cumin Sauce

Original Recipes:

Peach Patina:
Peel some firm peaches, cut in chunks, and cook. Place in a patina 
pan and drizzle with oil. Serve with cumin sauce.
[ ----- Apicius, Book IV, Chapter II, Recipe 34]

Cuminatum:
Another cumin sauce: pepper, lovage, parsley, dried mint, a large 
amount of cumin, honey, vinegar, fish sauce.
[ ----- Apicius, Book I, Chapter XV, Recipe 2]

My Versions:

Cumin Sauce (make first)

1 Tb. roasted Cumin Seed
1/2 cup chopped Italian (flat-leaf) Parsley
1/2 cup Chinese Celery Leaves or Lovage Herb
1 Tb. crumbled dried Mint
1/2 tsp. Black Pepper
1/2 cup Red or White Wine Vinegar
3/4 cup Honey
2 Tb. Tiparos (brand) Thai Fish Sauce

1. Roast cumin seed in a dry pan until fragrant and just darkening.
2. Cool somewhat, then grind cumin.
3. Mix roasted cumin with pepper, lovage, parsley, and mint.
4. Put vinegar and honey in a sauce pan on medium heat.
5. Stir in seasonings.
6. Simmer briefly, stirring, until liquefied and well seasoned.

Peaches

40 fresh ripe Peaches
1 cup Olive Oil

1. Plunge peaches into boiling water briefly.
2. Drain, then remove skins.
3. Halve, removing pits.
4. Cut in chunks - putting 4 peaches on a separate dish for vegetarians.

Finish Dish

1. Put 4 peaches for the vegetarians in a small baking pan.
2. Put remaining peaches for everyone else in a large baking pan.
3. Toss all peaches with olive oil.
4. Separate a dish of sauce for the vegetarians. Season with a tsp. 
of soy sauce.
5. For remaining sauce, stir in fish sauce.
6. Pour cumin sauce onto peaches in baking dishes, keeping vegetarian 
dish separate.
7. Bake in 350 oven for about 10 to 15 minutes, until just barely 
beginning to bubble.
8. Plate, keeping vegetarian peaches separate.

NOTES:
The peaches were ripe enough to peel without plunging in boiling water.
We also didn't cook them. We just cut them up and mixed them with the sauce.

These were incredibly delicious, in part because of the high quality 
of the peaches which were perfectly ripe. I had bought the case of 
peaches about 4 days before the feast, and kept them in a cool dark 
place until the feast. Most of them were eaten and we in the kitchen 
kept slurping them up. They were my favorite dish of the feast.
-- 
Urtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM)
the persona formerly known as Anahita


Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:26:26 -0800
From: lilinah at earthlink.net
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Looking for a Roman sweet

Euriol wrote:
<<< Something I made years ago was a pinenut custard. It was a baked 
custard, and certainly something that can be done in advanced and 
served cold. >>>

It is a Patina, which, as i read the recipe, is not a custard, 
although i have eaten it prepared as a custard. Here is a custard 
version, from my website, as served at my Greco-Roman feast:

PINE NUT PATINA

Original:
An Inverted Patina as Dessert: Pine nuts, peeled and chopped nuts, 
are roasted, grind with honey, pepper, fish sauce, milk, eggs, a 
little undiluted wine and oil. Turn into a plate.
[ ----- Apicius, Book IV, Chapter II, Recipe 16] (as published in 
Flower and Rosenbaum)

Feast Version:
Modern recipe courtesy of Cordelia Toser, who cooked them all for the 
feast, including a special custard cup for the Prince that had soy 
milk instead of regular milk.

50 large Eggs (4 doz. + 2 eggs)
5 cups ground Pine Nuts
5 cups Clover Honey
2-1/2 tsp Black Pepper
5 tsp Salt (= 1 Tb. + 2 tsp.)
2 Tb. and 1-1/2 tsp White Wine
2 Tb. Olive Oil
30 cups Whole Milk (= 1 gallon + 3 quarts + 2 cups)

Butter each 1-1/2 quart glass casserole.
Preheat oven to 350 degrees F.
In large bowl, beat eggs until uniform.
Add other ingredients and blend until smooth.
Place casserole in large baking pan that is about 2 inches deep.
Pour egg mixture into casserole and add warm water into baking pan.
Try to get the water level about the same as the egg mixture.
Gently place pan in center oven.
Bake until the edges of the custard should be brown and the center is 
no longer liquid.  That should be about 35 to 40 minutes.
Remove casserole from oven and cool on wire rack until it reaches 
room temperature.

It may be served warm or cold.  Leftovers must be refrigerated.

NOTE:
I figure this is not very much like the actual Roman version. But the 
recipe is scrumptious and super yummy and it was a big hit. Some 
diners ate five helpings.

----- End Recipe -----

I confess i'm not entirely sure how many baking pans this takes, 10, 
i think, given how many we were feeding. And it does keep for days in 
the fridge.
-- 
Urtatim [that's err-tah-TEEM]
the persona formerly known as Anahita


Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:20:19 -0800
From: lilinah at earthlink.net
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Looking for a Roman sweet

lilinah at earthlink.net wrote:
<<< 50 large Eggs (4 doz. + 2 eggs)
<snip>
2 Tb. and 1-1/2 tsp White Wine
2 Tb. Olive Oil
30 cups Whole Milk (= 1 gallon + 3 quarts + 2 cups) >>>

From: Antonia Calvo <dama.antonia at gmail.com>
<< Those seem like *microscopic* quantities of wine and oil for 50 eggs and
nearly two gallons of milk. >>

Adamantius wrote:
< I spotted that, too. You think maybe some ingredient quantities 
didn't get multiplied out correctly? >

Grrr... Thanks for spotting that. The feast was 5 years ago and i 
don't have the notes any more. I'm guessing those are the quantities 
for one tart pan for 8 people, or 2 pans, and not 10 pans for 80.

I'll see if i can track down the original and solve this mystery SOON!

Plus, it is probably better to beat up only a couple pans worth at a 
time, rather than the whole 4 doz+ eggs and 2 gal- milk in some 
humungo vat.
-- 
Urtatim [that's err-tah-TEEM]
the persona formerly known as Anahita


Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:36:44 -0800
From: lilinah at earthlink.net
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Looking for a Roman sweet

Raffaella wrote:
<<< Some of my friends are putting together a Roman feast and they are 
looking for one more recipe to round out the menu. They've already 
got some savory biscuit/ cookies, but they are looking for small 
sweet that could preferably be made in advance as well. >>>

Anne-Marie replied:
<<< Raffaella, do you have the Roman banquet Feudal GOurmet pamphlet? 
theres some really nice desserts in there, including a honeyed date 
thing that is to die for... >>>

I don't have the Roman Feudal Gourmet. But i suspect the date 
suggestion is probably for Dulcia Domestica:

DULCIA DOMESTICA
palmulas uel dactylos excepto semine, nuce uel nucleis uel pipere 
trito infercies. sale foris contingis, frigis in melle cocto, et 
inferes.

Home-made Sweet
Fresh or dried dates seeds taken out, stuff with walnuts or pine nuts 
or ground pepper. Roll in salt, fry in cooked honey, and serve.

Here is how I interpret the procedure:

Fill each pitted date with a walnut half or a couple pine nuts or a 
little ground pepper... I'd suggest trying some with one kind of nuts 
and a little pepper. Pepper was a huge luxury to the Romans.

Sprinkle dates with a little salt, or roll them in salt, depending on 
how much. Might be good with one of those regional specialty salts.

Heat a relatively shallow layer of honey in a heavy pan until it 
boils, then turn heat down.
Add dates in a single layer and cook in honey on low heat for about 5 
to 10 minutes. I haven't made this recipe, but in my experiences, 
cooking dates in honey for too long, well, the dates start to 
dissolve...
-- 
Urtatim [that's err-tah-TEEM]
the persona formerly known as Anahita


Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:57:08 -0800
From: lilinah at earthlink.net
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Looking for a Roman sweet

Raphaella wrote:
<<< Some of my friends are putting together a Roman feast and they are looking
for one more recipe to round out the menu. They've already got some savory
biscuit/ cookies, but they are looking for small sweet that could
preferably be made in advance as well.
Please let me know if you have any suggestions, recipes or sources to
recommend. >>>

Here are some of the other desserts we made for the Greco-Roman 
feast. The feast was for over 80 people. They weren't always perfect, 
but i included notes for improvement. And let me add that Euriol 
helped on this feast, as you will see noted below, and she was a 
great help.

CONDITUM Paradoxum: Spiced Wine (White Grape Juice) Surprise

Original:
Spiced Wine Surprise is made as follows: 15 lb. of honey are put in a 
metal vessel into which you have previously put 2 pints of wine, so 
as to boil down the wine while cooking the honey. It is heated over a 
slow fire of dry wood, stirring all the while with a stick; when it 
begins to boil over it is checked by adding [cold] wine; it also 
sinks when removed from the fire. When cool it is heated once more. 
This must be done a second and third time, and only then is it 
removed from the fire, and skimmed on the following day. Then take 4 
oz. pepper, 3 scruples of pounded mastic, a handful each of aromatic 
leaf [tejpat/malabathron] and saffron, 5 roasted date-stones, the 
dates softened in wine, having previously been soaked in wine of the 
right kind and quality, so as to produce a soft mash. These 
preparations completed, pour over 18 pints of sweet wine. In the end 
add coals, if it is too bitter.
[ ----- Apicius, Book I, Chapter I, Recipe 1]

This should have been made with wine. However, SCA rules do not allow 
the purchase of wine or other alcohol for serving as beverages with 
organization moneys. Therefore I substituted white grape juice, 
spiked with Middle Eastern sour white grape juice so it wouldn't be 
too cloying.

My Version:
5-1/3 cans White Grape Juice Concentrate
Water, enough to make 2 gallons of juice
10 fresh Dates, soaked in juice
3 lb. Honey
1/2 cup White Wine Vinegar
1/2 cup Verjus/Sour White Grape Juice
1-1/2 Tb. ground Black Pepper
10 Tejpat/Malabathron Leaf/Bay Leaves
3/4 tsp. Saffron
1 tsp. Gum Mastic

1. Reconstitute juice.
2. Soak dates in a small amount of juice until soft.
3. When soft, put in blender with a bit more juice and blend until 
pureed and liquidy.
4. Mix 6 cups of juice with honey and bring to boil.
5. Add seasonings and dates and cook on medium-low heat for a while, 
until mastic melts.
6. Add remainder of juice, then stir in vinegar and verjus to taste.
NOTE: The mastic never completely dissolves (at least it didn't while 
i did this), and some of it sticks to the bay leaves.
7. Let stand overnight.
8. Strain/decant. Some of the pepper settled out, and we 
intentionally left it behind when we decanted the juice. I like the 
bite it added but i was concerned diner might find it unexpected and 
unpleasant.
9. Serve.
10. Diluted to taste with water, if desired.

NOTES:
I really tried to find tejpat/malabathron leaves. There is a 
significant South Asian community where i live and i went to South 
Asian markets and asked for them. I was shown some leaves that looked 
a lot like bay, and when i asked the proprietors they said that this 
is what they use in the US and it tastes a lot like the original. 
While I am not utterly convinced they taste the same, if that's what 
they use here, that's what i used.

Perhaps pulverizing the mastic gum would have been better... or using 
already powdered mastic.

This was a surprise hit. Several folks who said they very much 
disliked grape juice asked me for the recipe.

=====

SWEET MUST CAKES

Original:
Must cakes to be made thus: two gallons of bread-wheat flour to be 
moistened with must; add to this anise, cumin, 2 lb. lard, 1 lb. 
cheese, and grate in the park of a bay twig; when you have shaped 
them, put bay leaves under them while you cook them.
[ ----- Cato the Censor, De Agricultura, 121]

I used a tad over 1 cup of must as that was all the container had and 
it was expensive. Next time i will use homemade raisin juice, which 
is what it tasted a lot like, and i will add add more.

My Version:
4 lb unbleached white wheat flour
1 cup must
   - - - or - scant 1/2 cup red wine - plus - scant 1/2 cup red grape 
juice concentrate
   - - - or - soak 1/4 to 1/2 cup dark raisins in 1-1/2 cups warm 
water until soft and plump.
Strain out, squeezing liquid out of raisins. There should be about 1 
cup of liquid
1 lb. butter alone or mixed with sesame oil
1-1/4 lb. farmer or pot cheese, or *real* cream cheese without gums
(i.e., NOT Philadelphia brand or those like it)
3 Tb. lightly toasted anise seeds
3 Tb. roasted cumin seeds
80 bay leaves

1. Toast cumin and anise seeds separately.
2. Mix butter and soft cheese.
3. Work butter and soft cheese into flour by hand.
4. Mix in whole toasted seeds.
5. Mix in must or wine-and-grape juice or raisin juice.
6. Cover 2 jelly roll/sheet pans with a single layer of bay leaves.
7. Divide dough into two equal balls.
8. Pat each dough ball down a bit.
9. Lay one ball over the bay leaves on one sheet, and pat out until 
it covers the baking sheet completely. Repeat with other ball.
10. Bake 350 degrees F. for 15 min or until golden.
11. Score thoroughly into 50 bars per pan while still warm.
12. Cool in pan.
13. Break out bars to serve.

NOTES:
To be perfectly honest, i didn't really have or use a recipe for 
these. I just winged it. I hauled the ingredients to the site 
kitchen, and with a some guidance from Euriol - since it has been a 
very long time since i baked cookie like things - i just faked it. So 
the recipe above is not really quite what i used or what i did. But 
since i just improvised, you can take this info and improv your own.

I left out the cumin seeds at the feast.

This could have taken some additional sweetener besides the must.

The resulting bars were somewhat crunchy on top, and soft and chewy 
on the bottom. I found them very pleasing. I guess others did too, as 
there were none left over. And I'd like to make them again!

=====

SAVILLUM : Roman cheese cake

Original:
Make a savillum thus: Mix 1/2 libra of flour and 2 1/2 librae of 
cheese, as is done for libum. Add 1/4 libra of honey and 1 egg. 
Grease an earthenware bowl with oil. When you have mixed the 
ingredients well, pour into the bowl and cover the bowl with an 
earthenware testo. See that you cook it well in the middle where it 
is highest. When it is cooked, remove the bowl, spread with honey, 
sprinkle with poppy, put it back underneath the testo for a moment, 
and then remove. Serve it thus with a plate and spoon.
[ ----- Cato the Censor, de Agricultura (84)]

My Version:

Prior to Feast
Butter
1 lb Flour
5 lb Ricotta Cheese
1/2 lb Honey
3 Eggs
(pinch of Salt might be good)

Pre-heat oven to 350 degrees F.
Butter baking dishes (a Pyrex bowl for each table would be nice... dream on...)
Mixed flour, cheese, honey, and eggs well.
Pour into baking dishes, cover with foil.
Bake until set (not dry) in the middle, about 30 minutes (test with 
toothpick or knife).

On Site
additional Honey
Black Poppy Seeds

Spread honey on top of cheese cakes and sprinkle with poppy seeds.
Put under the broiler briefly to melt honey.

NOTE:
This was rather thin and dry. I think it was cooked too long. The 
original implies that it isn't a thoroughly dry dish. Needs further 
experimentation to perfect. It was mostly all eaten anyway.
-- 
Urtatim [that's err-tah-TEEM]
the persona formerly known as Anahita


Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:11:45 -0500
From: "Mairi Ceilidh" <jjterlouw at earthlink.net>
To: "'Cooks within the SCA'" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Looking for a Roman sweet

<<< I don't have the Roman Feudal Gourmet. But i suspect the date 
suggestion is probably for Dulcia Domestica:

DULCIA DOMESTICA
palmulas uel dactylos excepto semine, nuce uel nucleis uel pipere 
trito infercies. sale foris contingis, frigis in melle cocto, et 
inferes.

Home-made Sweet
Fresh or dried dates seeds taken out, stuff with walnuts or pine nuts 
or ground pepper. Roll in salt, fry in cooked honey, and serve.
<snip>
-- 
Urtatim [that's err-tah-TEEM] >>>

I have done this recipe, and it is WONDERFUL.  Making enough of the stuffed
dates is a bit tedious when preparing a feast for 150, but well worth the
effort.

Mairi Ceilidh

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