fd-Lw-Cntries-msg - 6/1/08 Period food of the Low Countries - Belgium, Holland, Netherlands. NOTE: See also the files: Low-Countries-msg, fd-Germany-msg, fd-Norse-msg, fd-Normans-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:58:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Huette von Ahrens Subject: SC - Dutch cookbook wrote: > That would be wonderful since I don't have anything for Portuguese > or Dutch to work with. I was going to make some educated guesses > from Andelusian and some of the later period Germanic or Nordic > cookbooks. I would probably have to go to some modern recipes > out of desperation. > Gunthar There is one late period Dutch cookbook "VerstandigeKok" which has been translated into English by PeterRose. It is called "The sensible cook : Dutch foodways in the Old and New World", published by Syracuse University Press, in 1989. ISBN 0815602413. It is quite a good book. If you can't find a copy to purchase, then it is in quite a few university libraries. Huette Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:49:03 SAST-2 From: "Jessica Tiffin" Subject: Re: SC - Substitutions (Dutch cookery) Cairistiona (and anyone else who's interested in this): if you're translating Dutch cookbooks, you may want to contact Hannah of Hanecnolle and her husband Floris von Montfort, who have done a lot of work in this area. (You may have already spoken to them, Cairisitiona, they are in Polderslot and you might have met them while you were in Belgium). They had an article on Dutch cookery in TI a while back. The article is up on the Drachenwald Arts and Sciences page, at http://www.student.oulu.fi/~ferron/sca/as/articles/cookery.htm Floris and Hannah's email addresses are also there, floris_5 at dds.nl or argent at dds.nl. Jehanne Lady Jehanne de Huguenin * Seneschal, Shire of Adamastor, Cape Town (Jessica Tiffin, University of Cape Town) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:35:48 -0800 From: david friedman Subject: Re: SC - medieval dutch food There is an early Dutch cookbook, I think either sixteenth or seventeenth century; it's been published (in Dutch) as "Het Eerste Nederlandsche Gedrukte Kookboek." I have a photocopy, and I vaguely remember that one of the European SCA people, possibly Dutch, was working with it. - -- David Friedman ddfr at best.com http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:29:52 +0100 From: tgl at mailer.uni-marburg.de Subject: SC - Danish online source: Koge Bog 1616 Another online source: the Danish 'Koge Bog' 1616 http://www.notaker.com/onlitxts/kogebog.htm Th. Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:57:00 -0500 From: Jenn Strobel Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] RE: Dutch Recipes was Scary Period Food To: Cooks within the SCA > Yes, My persona is Dutch (1550's). My husband's family from WAAAAAAY back > is Dutch - (I think French Hugenot refugees or something) I have not found > any Dutch recipes on the web...I haven't really been looking... but you have > intrigued me. :) There are some Dutch cookbooks on the web, but there aren't that many actual redactions. You should check out Christine Muuser's page (http://www.coquinaria.nl/english/) where she does kind of a "recipe of the month" and archives them. I am translating "Eenen seer schoonen ende excellenten Cocboeck" by Carolus Battus and there has already been a feast cooked using recipes from my translation (housed at http://www.medievalcooking.org/cookscollegiummenu.doc). The ones that the cook chose are just incredible, especially the chicken stuffed with bacon, garlic, and currants (something i've served at parties and people *love* it). Dutch cooking is kind of my "thang", and i'd love to talk to you more about it, so feel free to contact me off list if you'd like. Odriana vander Brugghe Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:57:23 +0100 From: henna Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] RE: Dutch Recipes was Scary Period Food To: Cooks within the SCA On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:57:00 -0500, Jenn Strobel wrote: > There are some Dutch cookbooks on the web, but there aren't that many > actual redactions. You should check out Christine Muuser's page > (http://www.coquinaria.nl/english/) where she does kind of a "recipe > of the month" and archives them. also, take a look at Christine Musser's translations from 3 manuscripts: http://www.coquinaria.nl/kooktekst/index.htm let me now if you get stuck at Dutch texts, I'm a native speaker, and can read semi-decent middeaval dutch :) Finne Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:47:04 EST From: Devra at aol.com Subject: [Sca-cooks] Re:Dutch cooking To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org Has anyone mentioned 'Sensible Cook' by Peter Rose (1600-ish book from New Netherlands) and 'Matters of Taste' - great Dutch paintings from period showing food, with recipes also by Peter Rose. Devra Devra Langsam www.poisonpenpress.com Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:57:57 -0500 From: Jenn Strobel Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: Dutch Cooking To: alysk at ix.netcom.com, Cooks within the SCA On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:46:15 -0500, Elise Fleming wrote: > Odriana wrote: >> Peter Rose also did a book that >> is a survey of pictures done in the 16th/17th centuries (time period >> could be off, i'm working from memory) featuring food. It's an >> expensive, but very nice book. > > Do you have the title or ISBN? Is it still in print? > > Alys Katharine It's called "Matters of Taste" and you can get details from Peter Rose's website: http://www.peterrose.com/books.html. I've had the privilege of thumbing through it and it's just an amazingly beautiful book. Odriana/Jenn Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:59:11 -0400 From: "Sharon Gordon" Subject: [Sca-cooks] 6000 Medieval Manuscripts in the Netherlands on the web To: "Cooks within the SCA" A few test searches indicate some info on Recipes Herb info Medical recipes Prices of food due to weather Chemical recipes Medical-pharmacy Farming/Agriculture Household notebook from a convent Sharon gordonse at one.net ********* Medieval manuscripts in the Netherlands on the web www.mmdc.nl The Hague, September 21 - Today all medieval manuscripts in the Netherlands are available on the website Medieval Manuscripts in Dutch Collections (MMDC), www.mmdc.nl. The website provides a portal to a database with short, uniform descriptions and photographs of all medieval manuscripts in the Netherlands, about 6000 items in all. Jos Biemans, Special Professor of Medieval Manuscript Studies launched the website today in the Koninklijke Bibliotheek, by making the first click on the homepage. Medieval snapshot Medieval manuscripts provide a fascinating snapshot of the cultural and intellectual life of this period. Until now, information about these manuscripts and the related knowledge and expertise was dispersed, but MMDC brings all of this material together. MMDC has been set up by the Koninklijke Bibliotheek, the university libraries of Leiden, Amsterdam, Utrecht and Groningen, and the Atheneumbibliotheek Deventer and it is partly financed by the Netherlands Organisation for Scientific Research (NWO). One website for all manuscripts MMDC is focused on creating possibilities for progressive research based on medieval manuscripts, by building a database with uniform descriptions, digital images and links to facsimile editions and subject-specific websites. This way, all the disseminated information about medieval manuscripts in the Netherlands has been brought together and made available through one database. To benefit international use, all information is published in English. Virtual platform The website also contains more information on medieval books in the Netherlands. This website will function as a virtual platform for researchers and students in palaeography, art history, philology and other fields. Visitors will find an overview of all Dutch institutions with medieval books, along with information on the history of the collections, contact information and procedures of requesting manuscripts. The website also contains digital versions of several key out-of-print books about medieval manuscripts and an illustrated overview of medieval script. Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Helen Schultz Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Medieval questioniare To: Cooks within the SCA I took a chance and went further into that "Coquinaria" web site http://www.coquinaria.nl/english/, and there is a very nice section of different cook books(both Dutch and English versions) concerning Middle Ages and a little later that they recommend (or don't recomment)... one of these books led me to an on-line translation of a 16th century Dutch cookbook (well, 2/3 rds of it, the 3rd volume doesn't appear to have been translated or at least posted to the site. Most interesting. They also have a few translated (into English) recipes from a couple of the books. So, even though some of us doubt the correct answers to their questionaire, they seem to have some really useful information there!! ~~ Katarina Helene ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Meisterin Katarina Helene von Sch?nborn, OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) http://narrental.home.comcast.net Middle Kingdom http://meisterin.katarina.home.comcast.net Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:03:25 -0700 From: Lilinah Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Medieval questioniare To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org Coquinaria has been up on the web for quite some time. I've downloaded masses of info from it over the years. The author, Christianne Muusers, is Dutch, and the site is in both Dutch and English. She has an advanced degree in Dutch language and literature, and specializes in culinary texts from the Middle Ages onwards. She covers a wide range of cuisines, but she is focusing on Dutch food in her studies, so there's some interesting info there. She puts on dinner parties and the recipes are what she has prepared for them, with lovely photos of her food. -- Urtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM) the persona formerly known as Anahita Edited by Mark S. Harris fd-Lw-Cntries-msg Page 6 of 6