fd-Lw-Cntries-msg – 6/1/08
Period food of the Low Countries - Belgium, Holland, Netherlands.
NOTE: See also the files: Low-Countries-msg, fd-Germany-msg, fd-Norse-msg, fd-Normans-msg.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:58:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav at yahoo.com>
Subject: SC - Dutch cookbook
<michael.gunter at fnc.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> That would be wonderful since I don't have anything for Portuguese
> or Dutch to work with. I was going to make some educated guesses
> from Andelusian and some of the later period Germanic or Nordic
> cookbooks. I would probably have to go to some modern recipes
> out of desperation.
> Gunthar
There is one late period Dutch cookbook "VerstandigeKok" which has been translated into English by PeterRose. It is called "The sensible cook : Dutch foodways in the Old and New World", published by Syracuse University Press, in 1989. ISBN 0815602413.
It is quite a good book. If you can't find a copy to purchase, then it is in quite a few university libraries.
Huette
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:49:03 SAST-2
From: "Jessica Tiffin" <jessica at beattie.uct.ac.za>
Subject: Re: SC - Substitutions (Dutch cookery)
Cairistiona (and anyone else who's interested in this): if you're
translating Dutch cookbooks, you may want to contact Hannah of
Hanecnolle and her husband Floris von Montfort, who have done a lot
of work in this area. (You may have already spoken to them,
Cairisitiona, they are in Polderslot and you might have met them
while you were in Belgium). They had an article on Dutch cookery in
TI a while back. The article is up on the Drachenwald Arts and
Sciences page, at
http://www.student.oulu.fi/~ferron/sca/as/articles/cookery.htm
Floris and Hannah's email addresses are also there, floris_5 at dds.nl
or argent at dds.nl.
Jehanne
Lady Jehanne de Huguenin * Seneschal, Shire of Adamastor, Cape Town
(Jessica Tiffin, University of Cape Town)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:35:48 -0800
From: david friedman <ddfr at best.com>
Subject: Re: SC - medieval dutch food
There is an early Dutch cookbook, I think either sixteenth or
seventeenth century; it's been published (in Dutch) as "Het Eerste
Nederlandsche Gedrukte Kookboek." I have a photocopy, and I vaguely
remember that one of the European SCA people, possibly Dutch, was
working with it.
- --
David Friedman
ddfr at best.com
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:29:52 +0100
From: tgl at mailer.uni-marburg.de
Subject: SC - Danish online source: Koge Bog 1616
Another online source: the Danish 'Koge Bog' 1616
http://www.notaker.com/onlitxts/kogebog.htm
Th.
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:57:00 -0500
From: Jenn Strobel <jenn.strobel at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] RE: Dutch Recipes was Scary Period Food
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
> Yes, My persona is Dutch (1550's). My husband's family from WAAAAAAY back
> is Dutch - (I think French Hugenot refugees or something) I have not found
> any Dutch recipes on the web...I haven't really been looking... but you have
> intrigued me. :)
There are some Dutch cookbooks on the web, but there aren't that many
actual redactions. You should check out Christine Muuser's page
(http://www.coquinaria.nl/english/) where she does kind of a "recipe
of the month" and archives them.
I am translating "Eenen seer schoonen ende excellenten Cocboeck" by
Carolus Battus and there has already been a feast cooked using recipes
from my translation (housed at
http://www.medievalcooking.org/cookscollegiummenu.doc). The ones that
the cook chose are just incredible, especially the chicken stuffed
with bacon, garlic, and currants (something i've served at parties and
people *love* it).
Dutch cooking is kind of my "thang", and i'd love to talk to you more
about it, so feel free to contact me off list if you'd like.
Odriana vander Brugghe
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:57:23 +0100
From: henna <hennar at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] RE: Dutch Recipes was Scary Period Food
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:57:00 -0500, Jenn Strobel <jenn.strobel at gmail.com> wrote:
> There are some Dutch cookbooks on the web, but there aren't that many
> actual redactions. You should check out Christine Muuser's page
> (http://www.coquinaria.nl/english/) where she does kind of a "recipe
> of the month" and archives them.
also, take a look at Christine Musser's translations from 3
manuscripts: http://www.coquinaria.nl/kooktekst/index.htm
let me now if you get stuck at Dutch texts, I'm a native speaker, and
can read semi-decent middeaval dutch :)
Finne
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:47:04 EST
From: Devra at aol.com
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Re:Dutch cooking
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Has anyone mentioned 'Sensible Cook' by Peter Rose (1600-ish book
from New Netherlands) and 'Matters of Taste' - great Dutch paintings
from period showing food, with recipes also by Peter Rose.
Devra
Devra Langsam
www.poisonpenpress.com
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:57:57 -0500
From: Jenn Strobel <jenn.strobel at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: Dutch Cooking
To: alysk at ix.netcom.com, Cooks within the SCA
<sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:46:15 -0500, Elise Fleming <alysk at ix.netcom.com>wrote:
> Odriana wrote:
>> Peter Rose also did a book that
>> is a survey of pictures done in the 16th/17th centuries (time period
>> could be off, i'm working from memory) featuring food. It's an
>> expensive, but very nice book.
>
> Do you have the title or ISBN? Is it still in print?
>
> Alys Katharine
It's called "Matters of Taste" and you can get details from Peter
Rose's website: http://www.peterrose.com/books.html.
I've had the privilege of thumbing through it and it's just an
amazingly beautiful book.
Odriana/Jenn
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:59:11 -0400
From: "Sharon Gordon" <gordonse at one.net>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] 6000 Medieval Manuscripts in the Netherlands on
the web
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
A few test searches indicate some info on
Recipes
Herb info
Medical recipes
Prices of food due to weather
Chemical recipes
Medical-pharmacy
Farming/Agriculture
Household notebook from a convent
Sharon
gordonse at one.net
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Medieval manuscripts in the Netherlands on the web
www.mmdc.nl
The Hague, September 21 - Today all medieval manuscripts in the
Netherlands are available on the website Medieval Manuscripts in
Dutch Collections (MMDC), www.mmdc.nl. The website provides a portal
to a database with short, uniform descriptions and photographs of all
medieval manuscripts in the Netherlands, about 6000 items in all. Jos
Biemans, Special Professor of Medieval Manuscript Studies launched
the website today in the Koninklijke Bibliotheek, by making the first
click on the homepage.
Medieval snapshot
Medieval manuscripts provide a fascinating snapshot of the cultural
and intellectual life of this period. Until now, information about
these manuscripts and the related knowledge and expertise was
dispersed, but MMDC brings all of this material together. MMDC has
been set up by the Koninklijke Bibliotheek, the university libraries
of Leiden, Amsterdam, Utrecht and Groningen, and the
Atheneumbibliotheek Deventer and it is partly financed by the
Netherlands Organisation for Scientific Research (NWO).
One website for all manuscripts MMDC is focused on creating
possibilities for progressive research based on medieval manuscripts,
by building a database with uniform descriptions, digital images and
links to facsimile editions and subject-specific websites. This way,
all the disseminated information about medieval manuscripts in the
Netherlands has been brought together and made available through one
database. To benefit international use, all information is published
in English.
Virtual platform
The website also contains more information on medieval books in the
Netherlands. This website will function as a virtual platform for
researchers and students in palaeography, art history, philology and
other fields. Visitors will find an overview of all Dutch
institutions with medieval books, along with information on the
history of the collections, contact information and procedures of
requesting manuscripts. The website also contains digital versions of
several key out-of-print books about medieval manuscripts and an
illustrated overview of medieval script.
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:41:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Helen Schultz <meisterin02 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Medieval questioniare
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
I took a chance and went further into that "Coquinaria" web site
http://www.coquinaria.nl/english/, and there is a very nice section
of different cook books(both Dutch and English versions) concerning
Middle Ages and a little later that they recommend (or don't
recomment)... one of these books led me to an on-line translation of
a 16th century Dutch cookbook (well, 2/3 rds of it, the 3rd volume
doesn't appear to have been translated or at least posted to the
site. Most interesting. They also have a few translated (into
English) recipes from a couple of the books. So, even though some of
us doubt the correct answers to their questionaire, they seem to have
some really useful information there!!
~~ Katarina Helene
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Meisterin Katarina Helene von Sch?nborn, OL
Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) http://narrental.home.comcast.net
Middle Kingdom
http://meisterin.katarina.home.comcast.net
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:03:25 -0700
From: Lilinah <lilinah at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Medieval questioniare
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Coquinaria has been up on the web for quite some time. I've
downloaded masses of info from it over the years. The author,
Christianne Muusers, is Dutch, and the site is in both Dutch and
English. She has an advanced degree in Dutch language and literature,
and specializes in culinary texts from the Middle Ages onwards. She
covers a wide range of cuisines, but she is focusing on Dutch food in
her studies, so there's some interesting info there. She puts on
dinner parties and the recipes are what she has prepared for them,
with lovely photos of her food.
--
Urtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM)
the persona formerly known as Anahita
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