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Online versions of period cookbooks and manuscripts.

 

NOTE: See also the files: 16thC-cookbk-bib, books-food-msg, cookbooks-bib, cookbooks-msg, cookbooks-SCA-msg, merch-cookbks-msg, p-Italy-food-bib.

 

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NOTICE -

 

This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.

 

This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org

 

I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter.

 

The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors.

 

Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s).

 

Thank you,

    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

                                          Stefan at florilegium.org

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:22:33 -0500

From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" <harper at idt.net>

Subject: SC - Online Spanish resource

 

A gracious lady on another list just introduced me to a wonderful

website.  It's all in Spanish, but for those who read the language, it's a

treasure trove.  It's the Virtual Cervantes Library at

http://cervantesvirtual.com and it contains many fulltext books from late-

period Spain.

 

Among the titles of interest to this list:

 

"Arte Cisoria" (1423 carving/serving manual)

 

"Manual de Mugeres" (late 15th century household manual w/ recipes

for foods, perfumes, cosmetics & medicines)

 

"Obra de Agricultura" (agricultural/animal husbandry manual, c. 1513)

 

Lady Brighid ni Chiarain

Settmour Swamp, East (NJ)

 

 

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:11:08 +0100

From: Thomas Gloning <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>

Subject: SC - Book on Cordials?

 

<< Still no clue about "Maison Rustique"? >>

 

There are several books with that title up to the 19th century. One of

them is:

 

"Maison rustique, or The countrey farme: compiled in the French tongue

by Charles Steuens and Iohn Liebault doctors of physicke: and translated

into English by Richard Surflet practitioner in physicke. Also a short

collection of the hunting of the hart, wilde bore, hare, foxe, gray,

cony; of birds and faulconrie. (...) London 1616."

 

I did not see this item. It seems to be a translation of a French text.

I found it this way:

1. Start your browser

2. go to "http://copac.ac.uk"

3. click button "Search"

4. choose "title search"

5. key "maison rustique" in the title field

6. click on "search"

7. when the results appear, look for the "download"-button and click

   that button. Key in your email-address etc.

8. The results will be sent to your email-address.

 

There are other very useful online catalogues like this (e.g. the French

National Library).

 

If I am not mistaken, most spiced etc. wines mentioned in Arnald of

Villanova's book on wines (c.1310/1478) are not distilled. A recipe that

calls for distillation is used "zu:o zierde der frwen", 'to beautify

women'.

 

Thomas

 

 

Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:59:33 -0400

From: Nick Sasso <grizly at mindspring.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Re: Online Cookbooks (was Re: Period Dining....)

 

Cariadoc's Miscellany links to translated sources is:

http://www.best.com/~ddfr/Medieval/Medieval.html

 

pieces of German cookery texts from 1350-1800 appear at:

http://www.uni-giessen.de/~g909/kobu.htm

 

Das Kuchbuch der Sabrina Welserin text is translated at:

http://www.best.com/~ddfr/Medieval/Cookbooks/Sabrina_Welserin.html

 

De Re Coquinaria is in original language at :

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6946/literature/apicius.html

 

Du fait de cuisine is at:

http://www.best.com/~ddfr/Medieval/Cookbooks/Du_Fait_de_Cuisine/du_fait_de_c_contents.html

 

Le Menagier De Paris in french is at:

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/menagier/

 

Le Mnagier De Paris in English (Janet Hison)is at:

http://www.best.com/~ddfr/Medieval/Cookbooks/Menagier/Menagier_Contents.html

 

Serve it Forth, a medieval/renaissance cookery newsletter is home page

at: http://oldcolo.com/~memorman/sif_home.html

 

niccolo difrancesco

 

 

Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:17:52 +0200

From: "Cindy M. Renfrow" <cindy at thousandeggs.com>

Subject: SC - online cookbooks

 

>Can anyone provide the links to these online books?  I have been having a

>devil of a time trying to scoure through the Library of Congress, Amazon.com

>and any number of other resources.

 

Someone asked for the addresses of the online medieval cookbooks.  I have

all the ones I know about linked here:

http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html  , as well as lots more info &

links.

 

http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links3.html   has links to many book

merchants specializing in books of interest to SCA folks.

 

Cindy Renfrow/Sincgiefu

cindy at thousandeggs.com

 

 

Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:28:45 +0100

From: "Jane Williams" <jane at williams.nildram.co.uk>

Subject: SC - On-line books

 

I don't think this one got mentioned, did it? (If it did, my apologies).

The Forme of Cury, at:

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/foc/

 

Warning, though: it's not the text as such, it's scanned images of each

page of the book. Wonderful stuff, but an awful lot of data to down-load.

 

 

Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:56:10 -0500

From: "catwho at bellsouth.net" <catwho at bellsouth.net>

Subject: SC - Kervynge is UP!!

 

I finally finished typing Kervynge and have it up on two sets of

pages.  The first set is in Old English font.  The second set is in

Bookman font.  I had to divide the book up into sections as I

actually got to a point where I ran out of room (didn't know that was

possible)  LOL!!

 

Anyway you can visit them here:

http://milkmama.tripod.com/kervynge.html

OR

http://milkmama.tripod.com/kervynge2.html

 

They all circuit so that when you start at Kervynge you can click to

Flesshe, Feestes, Fisshe, Chamber, and finally Marhsall. Marshall

has a link back to Kervynge.  

 

Please note:  I have not edited these for typos and you will find

periodic places where I have typed things such as ????? or ** These

are notations to me that I need to do some research to figure out

what the word should be.  They correspond with like markings in my

manuscript.    Like I said this isn't the greatest pring quality and

I have one word that the only letter I can make out is a B!  But I am

working on it.  As time goes by I will have the first copy with some

scroll work and indentation markers such are in the book as I think

they are lacking without them.  

 

Melbrigda

 

 

Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:51:11 +0200

From: Thomas Gloning <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>

Subject: SC - New Rumpolt chapter & 15th century Dutch cookbook online

 

There are two new & old cookery texts online

 

- -- Rumpolt's (1581) chapter on pastry, among other things with some

interesting recipes for pretzels and for biscotti (piscotten):

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/rump-gbk.htm

 

- -- A digital version of a 15th century Dutch cookbook in a quite rare

edition (ed. Serrure, Gent 1872):

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/serrure.htm

 

I regret that only a few of you will have fun with the new texts, so,

please excuse the use of bandwidth.

 

Th.

 

 

Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:20:34 +0200

From: Thomas Gloning <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>

Subject: SC - GC Library and other's libraries -- Vorselman 1560, Scappi 1570

 

<< But I hope that the Library at the Glaedenfeld Centre for Medieval &

Renaissance Studies will be at least period oriented >>

 

A propos: two important European 16th century cookbook editions/reprints

are currently available via http://www.zvab.com:

 

- -- Vorselman, Eenen nyeuwen coock boeck, 1560 (Dutch; ed. by Elly

Cockx-Indestege; Wiesbaden 1971). (search for "Vorselmann").

 

- -- Scappi, Opera, 1570 (Italian; huge volume, includes important

pictures of kitchen stuff; reprint 1981).

 

Thomas

 

 

Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:43:07 +0200

From: TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>

Subject: SC - Taillevent, Viandier (Vatican Manuscript) online

 

Among the versions of 'The viandier', the text of the Vatican manuscript

is outstanding. Scully used this version as a basis for his translation,

and Pichon/Vicaire highly estimated this manuscript too. An electronic

version following the Pichon/Vicaire edition of this manuscript is now

online at:

 

- --   http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/vi-vat.htm

 

Please, note, that there are some emendations suggested in the notes of

Pichon/Vicaire, that are not (always) reproduced in the electronic

version. If possible, use this electronic text together with its printed

version.

 

Second: it is an open question to date, whether or not Taillevent is the

"author" of (all of) these recipes. The earliest manuscript of the

'Viandier', the manuscript of Sion, antedates the lifetime of

Taillevent. See Scully's book 'The Viandier of Taillevent' for the

details and for the textual history of this family of cookery

manuscripts.

 

Have fun,

Thomas

(Please report any errors that might have escaped me!)

 

 

Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:16:50 +0200

From: TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>

Subject: SC - German soup recipes 1569

 

For those of you with some command of 16th century German, there is a

new chapter with soup recipes of Balthasar Staindl's cookbook 1569

online:

 

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/std-supp.htm

or via:

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning

then choose 'Alte Kochbcher', E-Texte, Staindl: Suppen

 

Thomas

 

 

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:58:29 +0200

From: TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>

Subject: SC - Rumpolt's Tarts

 

A new chapter of Rumpolts cookbook (1581) is online:

- -- http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/rumpturt.htm

It includes recipes (in German) for apple tarts, tarts from all sorts of

berries, tarts in the Hungarian style, chestnut tart, etc.

 

Thanks again, Gwen Cat!

 

 

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:54:38 -0700

From: david friedman <ddfr at best.com>

Subject: SC - Andalusian Cookbook now webbed

 

I have just finished webbing Charles Perry's translation of Manucrito

Anonimo, an anonymous 13th century Andalusian cookbook. It can be

found at:

 

http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Medieval/Cookbooks/Andalusian/andalusian_contents.htm

- --

David Friedman

Professor of Law

Santa Clara University

 

 

Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:49:59 -0400

From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" <harper at idt.net>

Subject: SC - Libre de Coch

 

The Virtual Certantes Library has added the _Libre de Coch_ to its

collection!  This is the original Catalan version of Nola. It's webbed at:

http://cervantesvirtual.com/servlet/SirveObras/bc/1680806759867327517

65222/

 

Lady Brighid ni Chiarain

Settmour Swamp, East (NJ)

 

 

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:26:41 -0700

From: david friedman <ddfr at best.com>

Subject: SC - Miscellany webbed

 

I have recently webbed the current (ninth) edition of the

_Miscellany_ as a collection of pdf files. It's at:

 

www.daviddfriedman.com/Medieval/miscellany_pdf/Miscellany.htm

 

They can be read in two ways:

 

1. If you have the pdfViewer plug-in for your web browser, you are

supposed to be able to click on the link and read the file. I say

"supposed to" because this seems to work sometimes for some people

and not work sometimes for some people. It works for me for only the

two shortest of the pdf files, and only sometimes for them, for some

reason I have not yet determined.

 

2. You can download the file and read it with Acrobat Reader. You may

have to set the preferences of your browser to tell it to download

instead of trying to read in the browser. For Explorer 5 Macintosh

version, you do that by going to File Helpers (under "Receiving

Files"), scroll to "Portable Document Format," double click on it,

and set it to download.

 

Both pdfViewer and Acrobat Reader are free from Adobe's web page. If

by any chance you figure out why the plug-in isn't working for me

(and for some other users), please let me know.

- --

David/Cariadoc

http://www.daviddfriedman.com/

 

 

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:54:53 EDT

From: Mordonna22 at aol.com

Subject: SC - Apicius text online

 

The entire latin text of De Re Coquinaria is available at

http://users.ipa.net/~tanker/apicius.htm.

My Latin is so rudimentary that I can barely make out the very simplest and

shortest of the recipes.  

Considering the variation in quality of the various translations avalable,

perhaps some of the linguists on the list would be interested in translating

a few of the recipes for the list.

 

Mordonna The Cook (on her knees in prayerful supplication)

 

 

Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 04:04:54 +0100

From: TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>

Subject: SC - Libro di cucina/libro per cuoco (14th/15th c.)

 

The Italian 'Libro di cucina'/ 'Libro per cuoco' (14th/15th c.), also

known as 'Anonimo Veneziano', is online at:

   http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/frati.htm

The digital version is based on the Frati 1899 edition. Please report

any bugs that might have escaped me so far! -- Th.

 

 

Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:49:23 +0100

From: TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>

Subject: SC - (Non-English:) Four medieval/ 16th century sources online

 

I hesitate to post the following URLs. Not because they are 'casual

chatter, unrelated to cooking', but because the sites are foreign

language sites to most of you. Only the cookery/ dietetic/ medical

content of the texts together with a "non-English"-warning in the

subject line emboldens me:

 

1. -- A dietetic text in the tradition of the School of Salerno

(Latin Original with modern Italian translation and introductory texts)

Piero Cantalupo: Un trattatello medioevale salernitano

sull'alimentazione: il "De flore dietarum"

http://www.liberliber.it/biblioteca/c/cantalupo

(the zip-version includes not all files of the read-immediately-version;

if you're interested you'd better chose read immediately and save the

files and graphics to hard disk separately)

 

2. -- German cookery recipes from the "Koch vnd Kellermeisterei" 1566

(Early New High German; text tradition of the "Kchenmeisterei")

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/kochkell.htm

 

3. -- Epistola Theodori philosophi ad imperatorem Fridericum.

(A dietetic letter of Magister Theodorus to Frederic II.; Latin)

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/theodor.htm

 

4. -- A treatise on juniper water (aqua juniperi), before 1549

(German; a medical text)

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/wachold.htm

 

Th.

 

 

Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 00:15:21 +0100

From: TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>

Subject: SC - some new electronic resources (mostly non-English)

 

The National Library of France offers, among other works, digital imagesof old books on cookery, medicine and wine (in the original languages).

They are delivered either in TIFF or PDF format (therefore, the files

are NOT small). So far, I printed out a 1490 edition of Apicius and a

1518-20 edition of Taillevent (the incomplete one, Vicaire mentions on

p. 825 of his culinary bibliography). In addition they have several

versions of the Regimen sanitatis of Magninus, a 1500 edition of Arnald

of Villanova's Liber de vinis, an early printed edition of Platina, the

Liber canonis of Avicenna, and other works more or less distantly

related to medieval and early modern cookery and nutrition.

 

The URL is:

   http://gallica.bnf.fr

 

To download electronic microfilms of complete works:

1. click option "catalogue"

2. enter your search option (e.g. "Apicius" "regimen sanitatis"...)

3. in the list of results,

"Notice" will give you a short bibliographicinformation,

"Ouvrage" will take you to the electronic book. O.K., let's

click on "ouvrage".

4. To get the whole thing, click on "Dchargement de l'ouvrage" and

chose "La 1re page" and "Jusque la fin ..." and chose your favourite

format (TIFF, PDF).

5. After a short while you can download the file either via your browser

or via FTP.

 

To give you an idea of the file sizes. The 1518-20 Taillevent is about

2.4 MB, the 1490 Apicius is around 2.8 MB, the 400 Pages Magninus is