online-ckbks-msg – 4/12/08
Online versions of period cookbooks and manuscripts.
NOTE: See also the files: 16thC-cookbk-bib, books-food-msg, cookbooks-bib, cookbooks-msg, cookbooks-SCA-msg, merch-cookbks-msg, p-Italy-food-bib.
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:22:33 -0500
From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" <harper at idt.net>
Subject: SC - Online Spanish resource
A gracious lady on another list just introduced me to a wonderful
website. It's all in Spanish, but for those who read the language, it's a
treasure trove. It's the Virtual Cervantes Library at
http://cervantesvirtual.com and it contains many fulltext books from late-
period Spain.
Among the titles of interest to this list:
"Arte Cisoria" (1423 carving/serving manual)
"Manual de Mugeres" (late 15th century household manual w/ recipes
for foods, perfumes, cosmetics & medicines)
"Obra de Agricultura" (agricultural/animal husbandry manual, c. 1513)
Lady Brighid ni Chiarain
Settmour Swamp, East (NJ)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:11:08 +0100
From: Thomas Gloning <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>
Subject: SC - Book on Cordials?
<< Still no clue about "Maison Rustique"? >>
There are several books with that title up to the 19th century. One of
them is:
"Maison rustique, or The countrey farme: compiled in the French tongue
by Charles Steuens and Iohn Liebault doctors of physicke: and translated
into English by Richard Surflet practitioner in physicke. Also a short
collection of the hunting of the hart, wilde bore, hare, foxe, gray,
cony; of birds and faulconrie. (...) London 1616."
I did not see this item. It seems to be a translation of a French text.
I found it this way:
1. Start your browser
2. go to "http://copac.ac.uk"
3. click button "Search"
4. choose "title search"
5. key "maison rustique" in the title field
6. click on "search"
7. when the results appear, look for the "download"-button and click
that button. Key in your email-address etc.
8. The results will be sent to your email-address.
There are other very useful online catalogues like this (e.g. the French
National Library).
If I am not mistaken, most spiced etc. wines mentioned in Arnald of
Villanova's book on wines (c.1310/1478) are not distilled. A recipe that
calls for distillation is used "zu:o zierde der frwen", 'to beautify
women'.
Thomas
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:59:33 -0400
From: Nick Sasso <grizly at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: SC - Re: Online Cookbooks (was Re: Period Dining....)
Cariadoc's Miscellany links to translated sources is:
http://www.best.com/~ddfr/Medieval/Medieval.html
pieces of German cookery texts from 1350-1800 appear at:
http://www.uni-giessen.de/~g909/kobu.htm
Das Kuchbuch der Sabrina Welserin text is translated at:
http://www.best.com/~ddfr/Medieval/Cookbooks/Sabrina_Welserin.html
De Re Coquinaria is in original language at :
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6946/literature/apicius.html
Du fait de cuisine is at:
http://www.best.com/~ddfr/Medieval/Cookbooks/Du_Fait_de_Cuisine/du_fait_de_c_contents.html
Le Menagier De Paris in french is at:
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/menagier/
Le Mnagier De Paris in English (Janet Hison)is at:
http://www.best.com/~ddfr/Medieval/Cookbooks/Menagier/Menagier_Contents.html
Serve it Forth, a medieval/renaissance cookery newsletter is home page
at: http://oldcolo.com/~memorman/sif_home.html
niccolo difrancesco
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:17:52 +0200
From: "Cindy M. Renfrow" <cindy at thousandeggs.com>
Subject: SC - online cookbooks
>Can anyone provide the links to these online books? I have been having a
>devil of a time trying to scoure through the Library of Congress, Amazon.com
>and any number of other resources.
Someone asked for the addresses of the online medieval cookbooks. I have
all the ones I know about linked here:
http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html , as well as lots more info &
links.
http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links3.html has links to many book
merchants specializing in books of interest to SCA folks.
Cindy Renfrow/Sincgiefu
cindy at thousandeggs.com
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:28:45 +0100
From: "Jane Williams" <jane at williams.nildram.co.uk>
Subject: SC - On-line books
I don't think this one got mentioned, did it? (If it did, my apologies).
The Forme of Cury, at:
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/foc/
Warning, though: it's not the text as such, it's scanned images of each
page of the book. Wonderful stuff, but an awful lot of data to down-load.
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:56:10 -0500
From: "catwho at bellsouth.net" <catwho at bellsouth.net>
Subject: SC - Kervynge is UP!!
I finally finished typing Kervynge and have it up on two sets of
pages. The first set is in Old English font. The second set is in
Bookman font. I had to divide the book up into sections as I
actually got to a point where I ran out of room (didn't know that was
possible) LOL!!
Anyway you can visit them here:
http://milkmama.tripod.com/kervynge.html
OR
http://milkmama.tripod.com/kervynge2.html
They all circuit so that when you start at Kervynge you can click to
Flesshe, Feestes, Fisshe, Chamber, and finally Marhsall. Marshall
has a link back to Kervynge.
Please note: I have not edited these for typos and you will find
periodic places where I have typed things such as ????? or ** These
are notations to me that I need to do some research to figure out
what the word should be. They correspond with like markings in my
manuscript. Like I said this isn't the greatest pring quality and
I have one word that the only letter I can make out is a B! But I am
working on it. As time goes by I will have the first copy with some
scroll work and indentation markers such are in the book as I think
they are lacking without them.
Melbrigda
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:51:11 +0200
From: Thomas Gloning <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>
Subject: SC - New Rumpolt chapter & 15th century Dutch cookbook online
There are two new & old cookery texts online
- -- Rumpolt's (1581) chapter on pastry, among other things with some
interesting recipes for pretzels and for biscotti (piscotten):
http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/rump-gbk.htm
- -- A digital version of a 15th century Dutch cookbook in a quite rare
edition (ed. Serrure, Gent 1872):
http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/serrure.htm
I regret that only a few of you will have fun with the new texts, so,
please excuse the use of bandwidth.
Th.
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:20:34 +0200
From: Thomas Gloning <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>
Subject: SC - GC Library and other's libraries -- Vorselman 1560, Scappi 1570
<< But I hope that the Library at the Glaedenfeld Centre for Medieval &
Renaissance Studies will be at least period oriented >>
A propos: two important European 16th century cookbook editions/reprints
are currently available via http://www.zvab.com:
- -- Vorselman, Eenen nyeuwen coock boeck, 1560 (Dutch; ed. by Elly
Cockx-Indestege; Wiesbaden 1971). (search for "Vorselmann").
- -- Scappi, Opera, 1570 (Italian; huge volume, includes important
pictures of kitchen stuff; reprint 1981).
Thomas
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:43:07 +0200
From: TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>
Subject: SC - Taillevent, Viandier (Vatican Manuscript) online
Among the versions of 'The viandier', the text of the Vatican manuscript
is outstanding. Scully used this version as a basis for his translation,
and Pichon/Vicaire highly estimated this manuscript too. An electronic
version following the Pichon/Vicaire edition of this manuscript is now
online at:
- -- http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/vi-vat.htm
Please, note, that there are some emendations suggested in the notes of
Pichon/Vicaire, that are not (always) reproduced in the electronic
version. If possible, use this electronic text together with its printed
version.
Second: it is an open question to date, whether or not Taillevent is the
"author" of (all of) these recipes. The earliest manuscript of the
'Viandier', the manuscript of Sion, antedates the lifetime of
Taillevent. See Scully's book 'The Viandier of Taillevent' for the
details and for the textual history of this family of cookery
manuscripts.
Have fun,
Thomas
(Please report any errors that might have escaped me!)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:16:50 +0200
From: TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>
Subject: SC - German soup recipes 1569
For those of you with some command of 16th century German, there is a
new chapter with soup recipes of Balthasar Staindl's cookbook 1569
online:
http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/std-supp.htm
or via:
http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning
then choose 'Alte Kochbcher', E-Texte, Staindl: Suppen
Thomas
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:58:29 +0200
From: TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>
Subject: SC - Rumpolt's Tarts
A new chapter of Rumpolts cookbook (1581) is online:
- -- http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/rumpturt.htm
It includes recipes (in German) for apple tarts, tarts from all sorts of
berries, tarts in the Hungarian style, chestnut tart, etc.
Thanks again, Gwen Cat!
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:54:38 -0700
From: david friedman <ddfr at best.com>
Subject: SC - Andalusian Cookbook now webbed
I have just finished webbing Charles Perry's translation of Manucrito
Anonimo, an anonymous 13th century Andalusian cookbook. It can be
found at:
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Medieval/Cookbooks/Andalusian/andalusian_contents.htm
- --
David Friedman
Professor of Law
Santa Clara University
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:49:59 -0400
From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" <harper at idt.net>
Subject: SC - Libre de Coch
The Virtual Certantes Library has added the _Libre de Coch_ to its
collection! This is the original Catalan version of Nola. It's webbed at:
http://cervantesvirtual.com/servlet/SirveObras/bc/1680806759867327517
65222/
Lady Brighid ni Chiarain
Settmour Swamp, East (NJ)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:26:41 -0700
From: david friedman <ddfr at best.com>
Subject: SC - Miscellany webbed
I have recently webbed the current (ninth) edition of the
_Miscellany_ as a collection of pdf files. It's at:
www.daviddfriedman.com/Medieval/miscellany_pdf/Miscellany.htm
They can be read in two ways:
1. If you have the pdfViewer plug-in for your web browser, you are
supposed to be able to click on the link and read the file. I say
"supposed to" because this seems to work sometimes for some people
and not work sometimes for some people. It works for me for only the
two shortest of the pdf files, and only sometimes for them, for some
reason I have not yet determined.
2. You can download the file and read it with Acrobat Reader. You may
have to set the preferences of your browser to tell it to download
instead of trying to read in the browser. For Explorer 5 Macintosh
version, you do that by going to File Helpers (under "Receiving
Files"), scroll to "Portable Document Format," double click on it,
and set it to download.
Both pdfViewer and Acrobat Reader are free from Adobe's web page. If
by any chance you figure out why the plug-in isn't working for me
(and for some other users), please let me know.
- --
David/Cariadoc
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:54:53 EDT
From: Mordonna22 at aol.com
Subject: SC - Apicius text online
The entire latin text of De Re Coquinaria is available at
http://users.ipa.net/~tanker/apicius.htm.
My Latin is so rudimentary that I can barely make out the very simplest and
shortest of the recipes.
Considering the variation in quality of the various translations avalable,
perhaps some of the linguists on the list would be interested in translating
a few of the recipes for the list.
Mordonna The Cook (on her knees in prayerful supplication)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 04:04:54 +0100
From: TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>
Subject: SC - Libro di cucina/libro per cuoco (14th/15th c.)
The Italian 'Libro di cucina'/ 'Libro per cuoco' (14th/15th c.), also
known as 'Anonimo Veneziano', is online at:
http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/frati.htm
The digital version is based on the Frati 1899 edition. Please report
any bugs that might have escaped me so far! -- Th.
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:49:23 +0100
From: TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>
Subject: SC - (Non-English:) Four medieval/ 16th century sources online
I hesitate to post the following URLs. Not because they are 'casual
chatter, unrelated to cooking', but because the sites are foreign
language sites to most of you. Only the cookery/ dietetic/ medical
content of the texts together with a "non-English"-warning in the
subject line emboldens me:
1. -- A dietetic text in the tradition of the School of Salerno
(Latin Original with modern Italian translation and introductory texts)
Piero Cantalupo: Un trattatello medioevale salernitano
sull'alimentazione: il "De flore dietarum"
http://www.liberliber.it/biblioteca/c/cantalupo
(the zip-version includes not all files of the read-immediately-version;
if you're interested you'd better chose read immediately and save the
files and graphics to hard disk separately)
2. -- German cookery recipes from the "Koch vnd Kellermeisterei" 1566
(Early New High German; text tradition of the "Kchenmeisterei")
http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/kochkell.htm
3. -- Epistola Theodori philosophi ad imperatorem Fridericum.
(A dietetic letter of Magister Theodorus to Frederic II.; Latin)
http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/theodor.htm
4. -- A treatise on juniper water (aqua juniperi), before 1549
(German; a medical text)
http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/wachold.htm
Th.
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 00:15:21 +0100
From: TG <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>
Subject: SC - some new electronic resources (mostly non-English)
The National Library of France offers, among other works, digital imagesof old books on cookery, medicine and wine (in the original languages).
They are delivered either in TIFF or PDF format (therefore, the files
are NOT small). So far, I printed out a 1490 edition of Apicius and a
1518-20 edition of Taillevent (the incomplete one, Vicaire mentions on
p. 825 of his culinary bibliography). In addition they have several
versions of the Regimen sanitatis of Magninus, a 1500 edition of Arnald
of Villanova's Liber de vinis, an early printed edition of Platina, the
Liber canonis of Avicenna, and other works more or less distantly
related to medieval and early modern cookery and nutrition.
The URL is:
To download electronic microfilms of complete works:
1. click option "catalogue"
2. enter your search option (e.g. "Apicius" "regimen sanitatis"...)
3. in the list of results,
"Notice" will give you a short bibliographicinformation,
"Ouvrage" will take you to the electronic book. O.K., let's
click on "ouvrage".
4. To get the whole thing, click on "Dchargement de l'ouvrage" and
chose "La 1re page" and "Jusque la fin ..." and chose your favourite
format (TIFF, PDF).
5. After a short while you can download the file either via your browser
or via FTP.
To give you an idea of the file sizes. The 1518-20 Taillevent is about
2.4 MB, the 1490 Apicius is around 2.8 MB, the 400 Pages Magninus is