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ckbks-13th-C-msg - 4/10/02


Comments on the cookbooks remaining from the 13th Century.


NOTE: See also the files: fd-Normans-msg, 16thC-cookbk-bib, online-ckbks-msg, merch-cookbks-msg, fd-in-Chaucer-msg, books-food-msg, cookbooks-SCA-msg.





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    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

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From: Christina Nevin <cnevin at caci.co.uk>

To: "SCA-Cooks (E-mail)" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:44:31 -0000

Subject: [Sca-cooks] 12/13th Century feast


Mari wrote

> BTW - I've been approached to Kitchen Steward a feast & provide the menu for

> [sic] "12/13th Century feast" - haven't yet checked with organiser for

> country of origin (I suspect it hasn't been considered just the time period)

> - anyone able to suggest a good country somewhere within that time period

> and point me towards a source or two??  (I've been mostly concentrating on

> Italian 15thC+ & Middle Eastern recipes till now)




There are the two Anglo-Norman Cookbooks - the first, B.L.Add.32085, was

written early in the reign of Edward 1 (1272 - 1307), though the second, MS

Royal 12.C.xii was written around 1320-40. Both are written in Anglo-Norman

(whadda surprise!) so if that's the period you are looking for, they're

pretty much it. There isn't anything else. They are available in translation

in: "Two Anglo-Norman Culinary Collections Edited from British Library

Manuscripts Additional 32085 & Royal 12.C. xii" HIEATT, Constance & JONES,

Robin F. Speculum Issue 61/4 1986

and I have a copy I can email or snailmail you if you like. I've done a

feast from these manuscripts and really enjoyed both the cooking and the

food. Heavy on the saffron though!


If, on the other hand you want to head east there is also the 1226 AD (or

623 AH) "Kitab al-tabikh" or "Baghdad Cookery Book", which is available in

translation in three sources:

- A Baghdad Cookery Book  ARBERRY, A.J. translator, Islamic Culture 1939

- Medieval Arab Cookery: Papers  RODINSON, M. & PERRY, Charles Prospect

Books, 2001, ISBN 0907325 912

- Cariadoc's Miscellany FRIEDMAN, David

That's all I can think of between 1100 and 1299, other people may have other


Al Servizio Vostro, e del Sogno



Lady Lucrezia-Isabella di Freccia   |  mka Tina Nevin

Thamesreach Shire, The Isles, Drachenwald | London, UK

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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:30:10 -0500

From: johnna holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] 12/13th Century feast


Early 13th is covered by:


An Early Northern Cookery Book.


I reviewed it for the list in July. Here are

excerpts from my review.


The LIBELLUS is among the oldest  of culinary recipe

Collections & dates from the early thirteenth century.

It survives in 4 versions: Danish, Icelandic, & Low German.

It is thought to date back to the 12th century.

ItŐs a small collection of only 35 recipes.


Society members have known it for many years as the

Collection published AN OLD ICELANDIC MEDICAL

MISCELLANY [Ms. Royal Irish Academy 23D 43.]in

1931 by Henning Larsen.


What this 158 page book does is to bring together the four

Versions, translate them, add textual notes, commentary

Indices, etc.  Did I mention that itŐs the work of the late

Rudolf Grewe (who provided us with the LIBRE DE SENT

SOVI in 1979) and Constance B. Hieatt who is of course




Johnnae llyn Lewis


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