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Comments and information on specific period cooks.


NOTE: See also the files: p-kitchens-msg, kit-job-titls-msg, p-tableware-msg, p-menus-msg, utensils-msg, pottery-msg, Kentwell-Hall-art, cook-ovr-fire-msg.





This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.


This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org


I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter.


The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors.


Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s).


Thank you,

    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

                                          Stefan at florilegium.org



Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:37:36 -0500

From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Who Were Those Guys?


THLRenata at aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone have any biographical data on Sabina Welserin, John Murrell,

> Thomas Dawson, Sir Hugh Plat and the countless less others I'm forgetting?


See Eric Quayle's "Old Cook Books: An Illustrated History" © 1978 Eric

Quayle, Pub. E.P. Dutton, NewYork

ISBN: 0-87690-283-2 for a chapter on Hugh Plat. There may be other

useful information for you in this book.


As for Le Menagier, I was under the impression we really had little

proof one way or t'other as to who he was, let alone any biographical

details. There's been some speculation, based on some tantalizing

textual references, that he was of the emergent middle class, well-to-do

but not really noble, possibly a clerk of some kind.



Østgardr, East



Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:44:51 -0800

From: david friedman <ddfr at best.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Who Were Those Guys?


At 12:58 PM -0500 1/15/99, THLRenata at aol.com wrote:

>I'm thinking about an article for my baronial newsletter about the cooks of

>our period (or close) whose cookbooks we still use.


>I have info on Tallevent (sorry about the spelling -- I'm at work and the

>books are at home), the Goodman of Paris and Chiquart (sp), and Eleanor



>Does anyone have any biographical data on Sabina Welserin, John Murrell,

>Thomas Dawson, Sir Hugh Plat and the countless less others I'm forgetting?


Digby was moderately famous, and you should be able to find biographical

information on him fairly easily. I believe his library was the start for

the current library at either Oxford or Cambridge.






Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:49:33 -0700 (MST)

From: Mary Morman <memorman at oldcolo.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Who Were Those Guys?


There is a lot of biographical info on Digby in the new Prospect Press

edition of his "closet openeed".





Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:11:06 -0500

From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>

Subject: Re: SC - When Were Those Guys?


James Gilly / Alasdair mac Iain wrote:

> I'd appreciate it if someone could quickly give me approximate dates for

> the following:


>      Chiquart

events described occurred ~1405, written ~1425, IIRC


>      Taillevent

1379 C.E.


>      Apicius

More than one person by that name, probably late 1st, early second

century C.E.


>      Platina

1475 C.E.


>      Sabina Welserin

Insufficient caffeine. Press any key to continue. (16th century???)


>      Elinor Fettiplace

~1580 - 1605 C.E.


>      Le Managier

~1390 C.E.