sports-msg - 3/14/14 Medieval sports. Hurley, shinty, battledore. Book reviews. NOTE: See also the files: games-msg, Helga-Ball-msg, darts-msg, games-SCA-msg, Brf-Lok-Tennis-art, golf-msg, wintr-sports-lnks, Golf-Med-Era-art, Stool-ball-art, Curling-art. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ From: ak508 at cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Raymond Benne) Date: 15 Nov 91 00:06:28 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) In a previous article, grm+ at andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Miller) says: >I've recently started looking into period games, both atheletic and >otherwise. Unfortunately, aside from "The Compleat Gamester", which is >about 20 years out of period, and a few mentions of football, bowling, >tennis, and various card and dice games, I have been able to find very >little. > >Besides Master Samalluh's (please pardon the mangled spelling) book, >does anyone know of any good secondary or primary sources for games >descriptions? Is anyone else researching card, dice and athletic games >(outside of tourney/fencing/martial arts)? Want to share >research/ideas/sources? > >toodles, margaret macdubhsidhe Good Mi Lady; If I may reccomend. The English at Play in the Middle Ages Teresa McLean - Kensal Press (Kensal Press, Shooter Lodge, Windsor Forest, Berks) Contents follow 1) Out of Doors 2) Animal Sports 3) Hunting, Hawking and Fishing 4) Tournaments, Jousts and Tilts 5) Outdoor and House and Garden Games 6) Board, Table 7) Glee, Medieval Music, Singing and Dancing 8) Medieval Drama 9) Folk Games While I can not speak for its authenticity the author does hold a PHD in in Medieval Monsatic Economics from Trinity College, Cambridge She is also the author of Medieval English Gardens Miles Ravenslock d'Arcy Subject of the Dragon throne From: greg at bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Greg Rose) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Chinese - yes or no ?? Date: 29 Jun 1993 16:08:13 -0400 Organization: MIT LCS guest machine Fiacha writes: >I do not know of any Mongol games so I make no judgement in that area. The two principal Mongol games of which I am aware are Nishapur and Rug-by (but you need an Abbasid and a cavalry turma to play the latter). Hossein/Greg From: corun at access.digex.net (Corun MacAnndra) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Chinese - yes or no ?? Date: 29 Jun 1993 19:08:28 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA In article <20q7fd$2o0 at bronze.lcs.mit.edu> greg at bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Greg Rose) writes: >Fiacha writes: >>I do not know of any Mongol games so I make no judgement in that area. > >The two principal Mongol games of which I am aware are Nishapur and >Rug-by (but you need an Abbasid and a cavalry turma to play the latter). There is another called Aklagh Tarteesh, which translates loosely as "picking up sheep at a gallop." No, really. In service, Corun ============================================================================== Corun MacAnndra | God runs electromagnetics on Mon., Wed. and Fri. by Dark Horde by birth | the wave theory and the Devil runs it by quantum Moritu by choice | theory Tue., Thur. and Sat. -- Sir Wm. Bragg From: adelekta at kentvm.kent.edu Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Chinese - yes or no ?? Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 13:07:03 EST Organization: Kent State Univ. corun at access.digex.net (Corun MacAnndra) writes: >There is another called Aklagh Tarteesh, which translates loosely as "picking >up sheep at a gallop." No, really. This sounds remarkably similar to bozkashi, a central asian game whose name translates as "goat catch." These livestock games sound like a pretty common nomadic pastime... :) -Zimra al-Ghaziyah From: hrjones at uclink.berkeley.edu (Heather Rose Jones) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Gaelic Sport Date: 18 Jun 1996 04:07:39 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley CB36478 (cb36478 at aol.com) wrote: : Anyone know the orgins of modern gaelic sport. Hurling, gaelic football, : handball? Bibliographical source? I know there are references to a sport translated as "hurley" in the medieval tale of Cuchulain -- I'm not familiar enough with the modern sport to know how close the two seem. The chances are that somewhere in some Irish journal there will be at least one in-depth article on the subject, but I can't give you any more specific pointers than that. Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: viking games and competitions? From: priestdo at cs.vassar.edu (Greg Priest-Dorman) Date: 22 Dec 1993 12:25:18 GMT In article <1993Dec20.152318.25809 at bsu-ucs> 00mjstum at leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Matthew J. Stum) writes: Other types of sports probably not suitable to the SCA are ... stone lifting/tossing. I have some very nice memories, and no scars or bruses, from a rock throwing competition at an event a few years back - come to think of it, I believe it was an MSR event, not SCA but either way, if you have enough room for archery, you have enough room for rock throwing (less room? - use a bigger rock) It was interesting watching "styles" evolve. If I recall the winner tossed starting from a crouched position with his back to the line, throwing over his head, keeping his back to the line! Anyway, it was alot of fun to do and watch. Is there refrence to rock throwing in the north (I know that giant chucked a rock at Thor once but that's about it)? Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: nostrand at bayes.math.yorku.ca (Barbara Nostrand) Subject: Re: tennis, anyone...? Organization: York University Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 00:07:11 GMT Noble Cousins! Arbeau in Orcheosgraphy (sp) also specifically mentions tennis as a pastime played by young men. He says that there are 3 pastimes for young men: Tennis, Fencing and Dancing and only Dancing is appropriate to do around and with young ladies. Your Humble Servant Solveig Throndardottir From: Russ Gilman-Hunt Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Gaelic Sport Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 07:00:01 -0700 Organization: University of Oregon Portland Center Heather Rose Jones wrote: > I know there are references to a sport translated as "hurley" in the > medieval tale of Cuchulain -- (snip) > > Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn And if I remember correctly, they played it with a ball and a stick. Although according to Charles Squire's _Celtic_Myths_And_Legends_, the ball was about the size of a human brain and fairly hard. I can't find the exact page right now, but it was a pretty gruesome detail that happened to stick in my, uh, never mind. ;) Lord Conchobhar of Kamrun (Clan MacGuinness) W.O.A.W.! Russ_Gilman-Hunt at continue.uoregon.edu From: The Shrew Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Gaelic Sport Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:27:12 -0700 Organization: Shrewsbury Renaissance Faire There is a game that the Celts play at most of the Ren Faires I have done, with a ball and a stick...but they call it something like "shinty". I can truthfully say, after watching the survivors crawl off the field, that there are no brains involved....either with the equipment or the players.....tee hee. sorry. Do you know anything about this one? Or is it the same game with a different name? Just curious. Play Faire! the Shrew ~~~~( 8:> Shrewsbury Renaissance Faire From: s.krossa at aberdeen.ac.uk (Sharon Krossa) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Gaelic Sport Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 21:43:46 +0000 Organization: Phuture PhuDs The Shrew wrote: >There is a game that the Celts play at most of the Ren Faires I have >done, with a ball and a stick...but they call it something like "shinty". > I can truthfully say, after watching the survivors crawl off the field, >that there are no brains involved....either with the equipment or the >players.....tee hee. sorry. Do you know anything about this one? Or is >it the same game with a different name? Just curious. > >the Shrew ~~~~( 8:> >Shrewsbury Renaissance Faire The modern Irish play a game with ball & sticks called hurling, while the modern Scottish Gaels play a game with ball & sticks called, in English or Scots, shinty, and in Gaelic either camanachd (according to the TV sports report) or iomain (according to my modern Scottish Gaelic dictionaries, where, at least to the Scots, hurling/hurley is called iomain Eireannach). The stick/club used for shinty, hurley, or golf, is called (in modern Scottish Gaelic) a 'caman'. I have no idea what the game was called in period though the term shinty only shows up in the 18th century in Scots, and there isn't a historical dictionary of Scottish Gaelic available just yet. Shinty is vaguely like field hockey in nature, although the danger to life and limb is apparently higher in shinty ;-) Effric neyn Cannich vic Herrald mka Sharon Krossa, who has played the odd friendly at US Ren. Faires, but wouldn't dare even suggest the idea of her playing the game in Scotland... Sharon Krossa: skrossa at svpal.org (permanent) -or- s.krossa at aberdeen.ac.uk (until November 1996) From: Ian Gourdon mka Dan Stratton Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Period games and sports - children and adult Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 18:28:37 -0500 Organization: Glen Awe Enterprises, a Division of Yoyodine Mark Waks wrote: > >Tennis and croquet are both period, don't know if today's tennis racket > >can pass for period though. > > Tennis *is* period, although it's changed a bit. Where do you find > croquet, though? Games sorta vaguely like croquet existed in period > (indeed, billiards began as a tabletop variant of them), but croquet > as we know it was, I believe, invented around 1820ish... > > (I actually came across a book recently that gave the name of the > fellow who invented the game, but I don't remember off the top of > my head which book it was in...) > > -- Justin G'day Justin, I've played tennis with the Jamestown Fort reinactors, which is barely post period, but their research should be good. They likely could comment on technical details. The main differences are; the feather stuffed home-made tennis balls, and the raquets aren't tensioned nearly as highly as modern ones... Ian Gourdon From: damouth at euclid.eecs.umich.edu (Daniel Damouth) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Anyone have sources for battledore? Date: 4 Mar 1997 05:47:40 GMT Organization: University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA One of the most fun activities I saw at an event was medieval badminton, called battledore I believe. It's playing with wooden paddle-like things and a small dead ball of some sort. I remember the rules that were taught at that event, I think, but it would be better if someone more expert would come forth and describe the activity. In fact, if someone could document the rules to me I would very much appreciate it and might even act as facilitator for battledore in my region of the Middle Kingdom. I love it so much. I have never lost a match :) I hereby issue challenge to all battledore champions. Let me know where there is a battledore tourney and I shall make efforts to attend and face you. -Daniel of Cynnabar, who is competing in a badminton tournament this weekend :-) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: hlf at holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (H L. Falls) Subject: Re: Anyone have sources for battledore? Organization: University of Virginia Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:52:04 GMT Daniel Damouth wrote: >One of the most fun activities I saw at an event was medieval badminton, >called battledore I believe. It's playing with wooden paddle-like things >and a small dead ball of some sort. I remember the rules that were >taught at that event, I think, but it would be better if someone more >expert would come forth and describe the activity. > >In fact, if someone could document the rules to me I would very much >appreciate it and might even act as facilitator for battledore in my >region of the Middle Kingdom. I love it so much. I have never >lost a match :) Someone around here introduced a similar-sounding game which he calls "kingly bats", which (from what he said, I don't have the documentation to hand -- sorry) he adapted from a Norse game/shield practice. It's played with buckler/small shield bats (round, center (strap) grip, about a foot in diameter) and a hollow-plastic toy baseball. (Supposedly the Norse used small rocks, but we do plenty of damage to ourselves with the baseball!) I don't know if this is anything like the game you have in mind, but maybe it'll give you a starting point. I can try to get in touch with him for more information, if you like. >-Daniel of Cynnabar --Landi Haraldsson From: Andrew Tye Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Viking Longball Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:44:13 -0800 Organization: Oregon Public Networking On 5 Mar 1997, Michael Newton wrote: > I read once in a history of baseball of a game known as viking Longball, > the object of the game was to hit a ball over a line. Can anyone direct > me to some more detailed rules? > > Thorbjorn Bjornson We used to play a game called Norse Stickball here in An Tir. The rules had been reconstructed by some gentle back in the earlies and were published in one the back issues of the Elf Hill Times. Unfortunately, I do not know which one. The game was until a couple of years ago one the main events at the Egil Skallagrimsonar Memorial Tourney that our barony has been hosting for about 22 years now. It has been cancelled/banned, I believe, because of liability concerns at the Kingdom level. (A couple of the rules that I remember were: Karate blows were discouraged. All body parts removed must be returned to their owners at the end of the game.) The two teams (shirts/skins) got to divide a large kettle of Atholbrose at the end of the game. If I look/ask around I can probably find the citation and rules. Ivar Hakonarson Adiantum, An Tir. Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: mondsee at idirect.com (Dana Cushing) Subject: BOUZKHASHI = Sheep Rugby Date: 13 Mar 97 01:51:09 UTC Steve Smith wrote: > Once Upon A Time, I heard a description of a sport called "sheep rugby". > I would appreciate it very much if someone could provide me with a > description and/or set of rules for this noble sport. > > -- Etienne Here in the good city of Eoforwick we have played this wonderful game for two generations... the original sheep "Murphy" and his offspring "Also Murphy". ;) The rules for playing on foot as we see it: Establish two poles a goodly jog apart - each team claims one (colored flags help) Place sheep in middle in circle Scrum for sheep Run toward oponent's pole Oponent try to grab sheep and run it round the other way (Please note that the above is completely optional, because...) Once the sheep has done a figure-8 the idea is to place it back in the centre (to make the game shorter one can simply play the head-for-the-oponent's-pole-and-loop-around-to-ours version) The reason this is so much fun is that it's completely unpredictable until the sheep hits the goal. The fact that several people are hit, ganged up on, etc. just adds to the excitement. The game was apparently afghani sheep polo originally. Ludende bene! Austrechild (PS... There was an article written by a local (?) in TI some time ago - I highly recommend it for a more detailed version.) From: david.razler at worldnet.att.net (David M. Razler) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: BOUZKHASHI = Sheep Rugby Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 06:56:38 GMT The sport, as played in Afghanistan, is more like polo with a vengeance (in fact, spectators are frequently killed at matches) The object of the game involves your team of horsemen maintaining possession of a sand-filled goat skin and getting it over a course, while preventing the other team from doing same, by roughly any means possible to someone armed only with a horse. As I recall, size of the teams is rather large and not fixed, nor is the size of the field, one of the reason spectators get run down. One of the funniest speeches I ever heard came at the start of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, given by former columnist Jack Anderson, who asked how the Soviets "ever hoped to control a people whose national sport is goat dragging?" and proceeded to describe the National Passtime. dmr/Aleksandr David M. Razler From: Brian Dorion Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: BOUZKHASHI = Sheep Rugby Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 21:43:52 -0500 Bouzkhashi has a long tradition up here in Ealdormere. It is usually played with a stuffed sheep (there is a long lineage of great sheep that have given their all for this game!). Bouzkhashi is played on a field with three marks. In the center is the home plate and close to either end of the playing area is a team marker. There are two teams who are both armed for armoured combat. Each team starts on their marker. The sheep starts on the home plate. The sheep must be carried around both team markers and be returned to home plate. The winning team is the team that places the sheep upon the home plate. It doesn't matter who carries the sheep around the team markers, only who puts the sheep back onto the home plate. A warning: Do not get carried away with fighting. Too often team A will notice that while they have been happily murdering team B, a member of tean B will have casually picked Murphy up, carried him around the team markers and won the game. Stay focused on the victory conditions, or fight whatever makes you happy. A version is to play resurrection Bouzkhashi. That's a real endurance test. Konrad From: fridrikr at news.vivanet.com (Thomas W. Ireland) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: BOUZKHASHI = Sheep Rugby Date: 14 Mar 1997 13:44:47 GMT Michael Newton (MELCNEWTON at postoffice.worldnet.att.net) wrote: : ateno at panix.com (Eric A. Rhude) wrote: : >We in Ostgardr play a version of this modified for heavy weapons : >fighting. : >We take the head of a Roman Legionaire (usually 10-15 lbs of sand : >in a bag and duct taped) and sew it in fabric and choose three even : >sides. : >Then three goals are chosen from the local landmarks and the head is : >placed in the middle of the three. : >Each participant can only carry 1 - one handed weapon sword, mace, dagger, : >axe, excetera. : > : >Now the idea is to get the head and bring it back to your goal. : >played to what ever we want, or how rainy it is. : >For a change make the rules to bring the goal to the goal on your right/left. : : This is starting to sound more and more like the Shire March of the : Grimfells' annual event/game of Blood of Heroes, in which two teams, with : _no_ bounderies! try to get a dog's head {last time I went it was out : syrofoam. I think} into one or another plastic bucket somewhere on the : field. A very loose, and wild, game! : Lady Beatrix of Thanet Which brings to mind Baby Harp Seal game in Coppertree. Three teams, a baby harp seal (stuffed, of course), very few rules. Very strange and weird. FRIDRIKR Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: Paul Kay Subject: Re: BOUZKHASHI = Sheep Rugby Organization: N&SM Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:58:45 GMT To the original poster - The form played in Yorvick area (and Northwoods and other places) is probably the original. It is based on an idea and TI article by some Toronto local there named Finvarr de Tah (sorry for the spelling errors). You may have head of him? :*):*) I understand he was king of the East once, too. :*):*):*) For those who saw Rambo 3, that game he played in Afganistan on horse-back is what this bouzkhashi was based on, but we use the pre-1930's rules. (Guns and swords were finally banned from the games when repeating guns became easier to get in Afganistan, I have heard. They are still using whips, on each other as well as the horses. It is a serious game there!) I brought the game east and we have been playing by nearly the same rules as Finvarr wrote - all melee rules apply (including engagement rules), around both posts and back to the goal, doesn't matter who is carrying the sheep around the posts, The winning team is the one who's member puts the sheep back on the starting point/goal and makes it stick. It is amusing when someone misses the point and the sheep makes 3 circuits. :*) Most entertaining is when folks start fighting each other, forget victory conditions, and one person casually walks the sheep to the goal. :*):*) The sheep we use out here, Edgar the Dead Sheep, is about 7 month old lamb size and about half that weight (overall 2.5 X 1 X .5 feet,excluding legs and about 20+ pounds). He is fleecy fabric, except or face, filled with rags, with empty black cloth as legs, and is grabable, just a bit heavy. The construction is such that you can safely parry with Edgar, although he is a bit light to strike with. :*) We do insist on gauntlets to hand carry, although tucking under a sword arm or behind a shield is do-able. Not only is bouzkhashi fun to play, it is fun to watch. It is very popular at the annual charity Ren Fair we help at. The guests love it. I have heard Moonwolf has a version more closely resembling US Football, but I have never gotten to see or play it (darn it!). As to the article thread I am quoting, Michael Newton wrote: > ateno at panix.com (Eric A. Rhude) wrote: > >We in Ostgardr play a version of this modified for heavy weapons > >fighting. No Eric, you play a version modified by Ian to be more silly. :-O:*) It is a hoot to do, but this was more like the Moonwolf modification. I think Ian got some of the ideas from Sir Emric who used to hang with Moonwolf. It sounds like the version Emric described made odder. > This is starting to sound more and more like the Shire March of the > Grimfells' annual event/game of Blood of Heroes, in which two teams, with > _no_ bounderies! try to get a dog's head {last time I went it was out > syrofoam. I think} into one or another plastic bucket somewhere on the > field. A very loose, and wild, game! > Lady Beatrix of Thanet No that came from a really fun grade Z movie of the same name that starred Rutger Hauer. I always thought it would be a hoot. So, anyone from Indiana want to give the rules Moonwolf uses? Bart the Bewildered Carillion, East -- Paul Kay NCR Lincroft, NJ paul.kay at lincroftnj.ncr.com From: user at srmdel.demon.co.uk (Michael Lacy) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Medieval Sports Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:40:48 +0100 tdevon at mindspring.com (T. Devon Sharkey) wrote: >I'm a bit of a sports buff, and beyond tourney fighting, I'd like to >see what interest there is any good research on the games and sports >played during europe during the late middle ages and Rennaisance. snip >Does anyone have good, detailed sources on the equipment, rules, and >play of these games in their ancient form? Would anyone be interested >in playing these games at Pensic or some other large scale event? In the early nineteenth century (1801), Joseph Strutt published a classic study in this field called 'Sports and Pastimes of the People of England' which has been reprinted several times. That might be a good place to start looking for ideas. Earl Michael DeLacy From: Ray at amygdala.demon.co.uk (Ray Almond) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Medieval Sports Date: Sat, 21 Jun 97 20:48:57 GMT tdevon at mindspring.com "T. Devon Sharkey" writes: > I'm a bit of a sports buff, and beyond tourney fighting, I'd like to > see what interest there is any good research on the games and sports > played during europe during the late middle ages and Rennaisance. > Three sports which still enjoy remarkable popularity come to mind: > football (or soccer if you prefer), golf and tennis. > > Does anyone have good, detailed sources on the equipment, rules, and > play of these games in their ancient form? Would anyone be interested > in playing these games at Pensic or some other large scale event? With regard to tennis the game that is period is what would now be called Real (or Royal) Tennis in England and, I think, Court Tennis in America. It's played in a walled court with a gallery around two sides of it. There is a fairly recent book called "The Royal Game", Editors L.St.J. Butler and P.J. Wordie. I don't know if it is still in print but the details are as follows: ISBN 0 9514622 0 2 (cloth) 0 9514622 1 0 (paper). Published in 1989 by the Falkland Palace Real Tennis Club, Fordhead, Kippen, Stirling FK8 3JQ, UK. This is a series of essays about the history/development of tennis. Although it doesn't have a formal bibliography it does quote various primary sources in the text and is a very readable history. I think the earliest source quoted is about 1330. Originally it would have been played with the bare hand but rackets came in somewhere in the late 1400s. Modern Lawn Tennis dates to the 1870s and was largely codified in 1877 in time for the first Wimbledon Championships. If you can't get hold of it let me know and I'll try to extract some of the primary sources and post the references here. HTH -- Ray Almond (btw Ray = Female) From: bronwynmgn at aol.com (Bronwynmgn) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Medieval Sports Date: 24 Jun 1997 20:40:18 GMT HPGV80D at prodigy.com (Patricia Hefner) writes: >I am also interested in sources for medieval sports. Does anybody know if >the northern Europeans played games on ice? The first mention of the >word "skate" was in 1573 (in Dutch). But skates as we know them didn't >come into existence until the nineteenth century. I don't know how good >this particular source is, but I read where people would get sharp pieces >of bone and tie them to their feet. Then they'd get two large sticks to >use as poles, and they'd navigate on the ice. Can anybody substantiate >this? The book _Pleasures and Pastimes in Medieval England_, by Compton Reeves, ISBN 0-7509-0089-X, mentions all aspects of medieval leisure activities from literature and the arts to sports, gardening, going to taverns, and prostitution. It has this to say about ice skating and sports on the ice (Page 93-94): "When cold weather produced ice, ball games were moved onto the ice. Ice camping, and ice bandy-ball are mentioned, and curling, which probably resembled quoits in its earliest form, could be played. Skating on ice was not unusual, and skates made from the bones of cattle and horses have been recovered from archaeological sites, many from London and York. The bone skates were sometimes strapped onto the feet, but not always, because the skating technique used was to keep the skates flat on the ice and move y pushing against the ice with a stick or pole. William fitz Stephen, in his 'Life of Thomas Becket' (written between 1170 and 1183) described skating on the Moorfields outside London, indicating that the skaters used poles to propel themselves along, had their skates made of animal shin-bones bound to their feet, and that sometimes reckless youths deliberately raced at each other from a distance and crashed together using their poles as if tilting. Bodily injury was not at all unknown. All ages engaged in skating, and a poignant archaeological find of 1899 was at College Street, Ipswich, where a female skeleton was found with bone skates, embedded in the mud of what had been the bed of a river." Although it does not have any pictures of skating, there are reproductions of many period representations of the leisure activities discussed in other parts of the book. Bronwyn Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:49:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. Michael Shew" To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: toys, esp. childrens I have had a devil of a time documenting this, but I found mention of a game played in period, having three sticks set up at one end of a field, and tossing a third to knock them down. I built a "Kid friendly" set of golf tubes mounted with plastic funnels on the end for the Ansteorran kids in the camp at lilies this year. Got to be so much fun that the adults played quite often. Mikal ____________________________________________________________________________ Mikal the Ram; an annoying Bard of no redeeming qualities From: kellogg at rohan.sdsu.edu (C. Kevin Kellogg) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Shuttle-cock (was: This ain't volleyball, girls) Date: 27 Jun 1997 18:11:31 GMT Organization: San Diego State University C. Scipio Cinncinatvs (scipio at why.net) wrote: : I once saw a picture of a Roman mosaic where men were engaged in a game : that looked remarkably like hackey-sack. I would think that volleyball : might not be too far a reach, if we can find some documentation. And isn't : badminton (you know the shuttle-cock game!) period? A game called "shuttle-cock" using wooden paddles and a cork ball with feathers stuck in it, but without a net, is period. Made myself a set. Hard part was finding cork balls. Finally found a plumbing company with some outdated cork toilet floats gathering dust. Avenel Kellough From: Dave Earl Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Medieval Sports Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 05:33:44 +1000 > I'm a bit of a sports buff, and beyond tourney fighting, I'd like to > see what interest there is any good research on the games and sports > played during europe during the late middle ages and Rennaisance. > Three sports which still enjoy remarkable popularity come to mind: > football (or soccer if you prefer), golf and tennis. > > Does anyone have good, detailed sources on the equipment, rules, and > play of these games in their ancient form? Would anyone be interested > in playing these games at Pensic or some other large scale event? I've just been writing an article on sports and games in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries. The most thorough and comprehensive book on games and sports in the middle ages is: *Fun and Games in Old Europe* by W.Endrei and L.Zolnay, Corvina Kiado, Budapest, 1986. It shouldn't be too hard to get a hold hold of. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that because a book is older it is more accurate. Strutt's work is largely inaccurate, and as far as i can see a work of fantasy. If you are interested in golf, then: The earliest game of golf I've heard of was in 1297, commemorating the death of Florence V, Count of Holland and Zeeland. Since then there is a continuous record of references until the present. Most sources are in the form of various laws enacted against golf, which was for the most part an urban occupation. The first illustration of golf is from an illumated book of hours dated to about 1500AD, and kept in the British Museum. it is known, unsurprisingly, as the 'Golf Book'. It appears various forms of golf were popular until the seventeenth century, where, except for in Scotland and Holland, the game was adopted by children. Towards the end of trhe seventeenth century the game, in it's Scottish variant, enjoyed a renaissance, and has developed into it's modern form. The best available books on the history of golf are: Ian Henderson and David Stirk, "Golf in the Making", Crawley, 1979. J. H. van Hengel, "Early Golf", Drukkerij Tensinkl, 1982 Patricia wrote: > I am also interested in sources for medieval sports. Does anybody know if > the northern Europeans played games on ice? The first mention of the > word "skate" was in 1573 (in Dutch). But skates as we know them didn't > come into existence until the nineteenth century. I don't know how good > this particular source is, but I read where people would get sharp pieces > of bone and tie them to their feet. Then they'd get two large sticks to > use as poles, and they'd navigate on the ice. Can anybody substantiate > this? I think I may be able to help you. Firstly, the old Norse word 'isleggr' (literally 'ice leg-bone') neatly corresponds with the practice of attching a metapodial bone from a horse, cow or deer to the bottom of the shoe with a peice of leather thong. Many examples of these bone 'skates' have been found at Birka and York. They are recognisable because of their polised undersides, with uppers that have often been deliberately roughened by a seruies of lines scored across the bone. Holes have been drilled though the back of the bone, and sometimes the front to enable the attachment of a thong. Skating was apparently practiced right up until the the modern period; a woodbock by Olaus Magnus, dated at 1555, shows ice skaters, and there are numerous references from the sixteenth century onwards. Magnus' illustration shows the skaters using two sticks, in the manner of skiing. If you want an illustration, then perhaps try: Magnus Magnusson (with a name so absurd he could almost be in the SCA), 'Vikings!', Bodley Head press, London, 1980 This should be easily attainable. Also look at a book called 'The Viking Dig'- I don't have bibliographical details nearby, and another handy (though hard to find) book is: Helen Clarke and Bjorn Ambrosiani, 'Towns in the Viking Age', Leicester Uni Press, London, 1995 I hope I've been able to help you all, and good luck in trying to rope some people into playing with you. Dave Earl From: justin at inmet.COM (Mark Waks) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Medieval Sports Date: 27 Jun 1997 10:59:51 -0400 Dave Earl recommends: >The most thorough and comprehensive book on >games and sports in the middle ages is: > >*Fun and Games in Old Europe* by W.Endrei and L.Zolnay, Corvina Kiado, >Budapest, 1986. > >It shouldn't be too hard to get a hold hold of. I didn't find it especially easy to obtain, but Amazon Books was able to procure it for me (http://www.amazon.com). Probably anyone who deals with out-of-country special orders can do so as well, but Amazon is pretty convenient. While I haven't used the book extensively, I would concur that it's generally pretty good on sports; offhand, I can't think of anything better. On more sedate games, there are certainly better books (Murray's History of Board Games Other Than Chess, for example), but this one serves as a pretty good survey, and the illustrations can't be beat. (Although I sometimes found the translation a little lacking; I think they got confused about English terminology in a couple of spots...) For a few random bibliographies on period games, check out the Period Games Homepage: http://www.inmet.com/~justin/game-hist.html -- Justin Who desperately needs to update his own bibliography there... Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: Mark Waks Subject: Re: Activity games Organization: Intermetrics, Inc Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:03:40 GMT Karl A Haefner wrote: > Prithee, good gentles. I am in search of sources of activity-style games, > such as Barleye Breake; games that can be very "showy" so as to attract an > audience. Nine Mans Morris and Notty just don't do it. A couple of other games are listed under the Rules page of the Period Games Homepage: http://www.inmet.com/~justin/game-hist.html I am particularly fond of bowls/bocce, and horseshoes, both of which are quite period, take up some space, and look neat; I've had good luck with both. (Especially horseshoes, which makes loud clanging noises, good for getting attention.) For more group involvement, Blind Man's Bluff is hard to beat, and requires little explanation... If you have a little time, there is an excellent discussion of Active Games in Baron Sallamallah's book, "Medieval Games"; ordering information can be found at: http://www.inmet.com/~justin/justin_bib.html#salaamallah This covers a wide variety of period active games... -- Justin Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:27:47 -0400 From: Bonne Subject: Re: SC - Pancake Races Anne-Marie Rousseau wrote: > Other games include wet rag on a stick, gurning, melon eating, turnip > carving, Izzy Dizzy, Spin in the Bucket, and other assorted goofiness. What about Hunkerhausen? (bad attempt at spelling German word mine) split a 8-10 diameter fireplace log, balance each piece on the round side, about 8 ft apart. a player stands on each log, each holding the end of a rope about 16 ft long. At the signal, they each haul in as much rope as they can, until it is taught. Then, they each try to NOT be the one to fall off while attempting to get their enemies portion of the rope into their own hands. Its's addictive, with losers begging for best 2 outta 3, ok best 3 outta 5 etc. (mundane warning: players should weare shoes please so as to avoid big gigantic splinters. Or, the hausen maker should smoothe the split side) If you need it, I will ask our game guy about documentation. bonne Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 09:27:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Huette von Ahrens Subject: Re: Re: [Sca-cooks] hurley To: Cooks within the SCA --- pandoraf at verizon.net wrote: > same thing goes for the related sport of shinty > (camanachd or iomain in Scottish Gaelic) -- > but, oh boy, is it loads of fun! > as an offshoot of Seattle's Scottish Gaelic > community, there was a small group playing > shinty last summer - maybe I'll try to get it > going again with some SCA participation too... In the OED, the earlist reference to Shinty is 1771. Huette Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:03:58 -0700 From: Subject: Re: Re: [Sca-cooks] hurley To: Cook within the SCA > In the OED, the earlist reference to Shinty is > 1771. > > Huette ah, yes -- shinty being the English name for the Gaelic sport of camanachd, also calle iomain, which is ancient (I don't have notes in front of me on specifics, but there are effigies and other medieval art showing shinty sticks). OFC -- I'm envisioning shinty sticks made out of bread, and shinty balls of ... cheese, maybe. would make for an interesting variation on food fight -- table shinty! Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 10:11:22 -0700 From: Susan Fox-Davis Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] hurley To: Cooks within the SCA Aeduin and Mobi watched the Western hurlers with much interst, and might try to instigate a game down south. I'm researching it now. The differences seem to be: Hurley is Irish, Shinty is Scots Hurley is played on the ground, in the air, anywhere; Shinty is mainly on the ground [and the stick is longer - Scot brag!] Irish and Scots duke it out http://sport.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=410&id=1155452003 Hurley reference in the Tain Bo Cualgne http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T301035/text004.html Old Hurley sticks and balls http://www.birthplaceofhockey.com/volution/ev-equip-pics/pic-hurley- stk-old.html Hurley equipment, include foam children's set http://www.nurisport.fsnet.co.uk/Hurleys.htm encyclopedia article on Hurley http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Hurley National shinty org in Scotland http://shinty.com/ Selene C. Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:42:34 -0600 From: "Terry Decker" Subject: [Sca-cooks] Hurling OT was Onagers To: "Cooks within the SCA" While the game is sometimes referred to as hurley, the correct term is hurling. The hurley (caman) is the stick used in the game. The game is fairly rough and tumble but there were and are rules, often honored in the breach as in hockey and lacrosse. The modern rules (without getting into the specifics of positional play) are: 1.. A player can run a maximum of four steps with the sliotar (ball) in his/her hand. 2.. A player may take as many steps as he/she wishes while carrying the sliotar on the boss of the hurley. 3.. A player may take the sliotar into his/her hand up to two times while travelling in possesion. 4.. The sliotar may not be thrown; the correct hand-pass technique must be used. 5.. The sliotar may not be picked directly from the ground; the roll-lift or the jab-lift must be used. 6.. A player who is in possesion may not score with his/her hand. 7.. If the sliotar is in flight, a player may score by striking the ball with his/her hand. 8.. Three defenders may stand on the goal-line when a penalty is being taken. 9.. A free-puc is awarded when a defender strikes the ball over his/her own endline. 10.. Three points are equal to one goal. Bear From: "sclark55 at rogers.com" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Activities for a small shire Date: 3 Apr 2005 14:56:26 -0700 > > Maybe someone here can pipe up with an authoritative history and how > > the SCA picked it up. (I've played a non-armored touch version.) http://www.bootsnall.com/cgi-bin/gt/travelstories/me/aug01buzkashi.shtml > Here's a basic explanation on how the original game works, and it's name, > buzkashi or bozkashi. How SCA took it up and modified it, I don't know. As far as I know, SCA Bouzhkashi was devised by Duke Finvarr de Taahe and Baron Torbin of Amberhall sometime in the late 70s-early 80s. You can read an article about it written by Finvarr in TI #102, from 1992. Incidentally, if you read the article, you'll find out about Murphy, the original bouzhkashi sheep. Murphy is now retired, but is the official Canton of Eoforwic mascot. He currently resides in my basement. Nicolaa Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:29:08 +1000 From: Braddon Giles Subject: Re: [Lochac] Totally frivolous discussion topic To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list" 2009/11/23 Lenehan : <<< ... we used to play bocce... I must re-introduce the game! I'm sure we can find the cannon balls. I wonder what was really used in period? You can buy aluminium bocce sets that are light enough for indoor games, from ordinary sports supply stores here in Tasmania. Maddie >>> We play bocce on a semi regular basis in the North. It is a lovely park game, and the more stupid the surface is the more fun the game gets. We use the modern aluminium balls, and wink. If you find the bright aluminium grates on your period sensibilities then you can turn wood into balls. Use a dense hardwood, and then soak the suckers in a vegetable oil, like linseed oil. That makes them heavier and tougher. Don't use a light wood like pine unless you want the balls smashed and chipped. It is going to happen anyway, but you don't want it to happen first time out. If I had my choice I would make the balls from box root, which was the wood of choice for golf balls in period, but there isn't much of that around at a low price. Good gaming! Giles. Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:41:37 +1000 From: Braddon Giles Subject: Re: [Lochac] Bocce and bowling To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list" Sadly cricket isn't period. Croquet is nearly period. Shinty (which is field hockey with attitude) is as period as dirt. Golf is right in - Stefan, do you have any articles on golf? I have one ready to go. Polo has an ancient heritage, and many of the equestrian cultures play similar games. The mongols have a mounted game where the objective is a sheep, and the side that has *most* of the sheep at the end is the winner, now that is a game! Giles. 2009/11/24 Stefan li Rous : <<< Is cricket period? I'd love to have an article on this if someone would be interested in writing one. Of course, it might help to explain the games and the rules to those such as most Americans who have never seen the game. What about polo? Thanks, Stefan >>> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:44:28 +1100 From: "Cian Gillebhrath" Subject: Re: [Lochac] Bocce and bowling To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list" <<< Is cricket period? I'd love to have an article on this if someone would be interested in writing one. Of course, it might help to explain the game and the rules to those such as most Americans who have never seen the game. >>> Technically yes, but not with a well developed set of rules The earliest direct reference to it in text is (to quote the Oxford Dictionary): 1598 Guild Merchant Bk. (MS. in Guildford Borough Records), John Denwick of Guldeford..one of the Queenes Majesties Coroners of the County of Surrey being of the age of fyfty and nyne yeares or there aboute..saith upon his oath that hee hath known the parcell of land..for the space of Fyfty years and more, and..saith that hee being a schollar in the Free schoole of Guldeford, hee and several of his fellowes did runne and play there at Creckett and other plaies. [Cf. History of Guildford (1801) 203.] See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cricket_to_1725, if you can trust Wikipedia. So it is within the SCA period but little is known of rules within the period. More specific details are out of period. And as for beach cricket, it is an Aussie past-time like backyard cricket. It is not a serious variation. There was a TV series of matches recently starring retired cricketers, but even that was just a lark. Cian Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:44:59 -0800 From: Ian Whitchurch Subject: [Lochac] Cricket is period To: "The Shambles, the SCA Lochac mailing list" To quote John Skelton, Henry VIII of England's Poet Laureate, when he was having a bit of a whinge about Flemish weavers in his The Image of Ipocrisie "O lorde of Ipocrites Nowe shut vpp your wickettes And clape to your clickettes! A! Farewell, kings of crekettes!," http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/4883752/Strewth-Cricket-is-a-foreign-import---according-to-new-Australian-research.html Also, see this picture, dated at 1344. It's a bat, and a ball, and some clerical types doing things that I'm sure Church reformers. would disapprove of http://slumberland.org/sca/articles/stoolball.html This article is now a little dated ... http://www.sca.org.au/laurels/cricket.htm ... but it's by two old Lochacers, so you should read it. So, basically, get yourself some sort of bat, and a ball, and use the bat to stop the ball going through the gate :) Anton de Stoc At Rowany XXIIII Novembre g+s ate: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:14:15 +1100 From: Steve Roylance Subject: Re: [Lochac] Bocce and bowling To: The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list Cricket is a period game, however, what is played today looks as much like a game period cricket as the FA Cup final does to a game of period football. There is a continuous history of the game with tweaks to the rules and equipment from C13c to the present. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cricket refers to clear descriptions of games in C16. Thorfinn Braddon Giles wrote: <<< Sadly cricket isn't period. Croquet is nearly period. Shinty (which is field hockey with attitude) is as period as dirt. Golf is right in - Giles. >>> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:02:38 +1200 From: Bob Bain Subject: Re: [Lochac] foteball (in other words total digression) To: <<< A number of years ago, for a couple of months, hurley became a fad in my barony. The individual pushing it moved away, but I wonder if the baron would have tried to prohibit it from being played. Not to get people to practice archery instead, but because in those few months we lost more armored combatants to injuries than we had lost in years of armored combat! The homemade sticks didn't last very long at all. The imported sticks lasted a little bit longer but still got broken quickly. Stefan >>> Oiling your hurley with a good quality boiled linseed oil will do wonders to help prolong their lives. I had one very light irish ash stick that lasted five years or so but found on average I'd get through them at about the same rate as I would rattan swords for my SCA combat. Callum From: Anne Subject: [tri-temp] interesting sport. Date: September 17, 2010 7:32:22 PM CDT To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com, brighthills at yahoogroups.com ah, ...this sport traces it's roots back to the 1100's... first video is the best. http://www.wired.com/playbook/2010/08/mallakhamb-extreme-gymnastics/ "Enter mallakhamb, which has been called “the mother sport of ancient India.” In fixed mallakhamb, guys dressed only in an orange, Speedo-type covering will rub their hands with rosin and jump from a mat onto a roughly 9-foot-high pole, usually made out of teak which they pray is planted firmly into the ground. From there, the gymnast performs some 90 seconds of the most athletic – and cringe-worthy – maneuvers ever captured on video." Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 06:47:05 +1100 From: Zebee Johnstone To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list" Subject: [Lochac] balls Old balls even. http://erikkwakkel.tumblr.com/post/75394761708/500-year-old-game-balls-very-few-people-will-read A 1540s football and a 1520s tennis ball. Probably just about time to make them before Festival! Might be a problem to find enough shedding dogs to get dog hair to stuff the tennis ball with though... Silfren Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 16:09:53 +1300 From: "katherine kerr" To: lochac at lochac.sca.org Subject: [Lochac] dog hair balls << http://erikkwakkel.tumblr.com/post/75394761708/500-year-old-game-balls-very-few-people-will-read A 1540s football and a 1520s tennis ball. >> I've seen other examples of footballs very similar -- so hard these days to get English heads for the truly traditional Jeddart foo'ball... <<< Might be a problem to find enough shedding dogs to get dog hair to stuff the tennis ball with though? >>> Darn, just took the dog to the groomer and didn't think to ask for the hair back....(she's a non-smelling wet dog too!). I know the American football ball is supposed to be, or was, made out of pigskin, but that doesn't necessarily say that period balls were. The Museum of London caption says: A ball for 'real' or 'royal' tennis, fashioned from leather with a stuffing of compacted dog's hair. The leather has been cut into quarters and the segments are stitched together along the seams. Most of the stitching has come apart and there a several holes in the leather. Katherine Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:19:29 +1100 From: Zebee Johnstone To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list" Subject: Re: [Lochac] balls On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Stefan li Rous wrote: <<< Neither of the sites given by this article detail what the outside of these balls was made of. :-( >>> There's a caption for the football which might not have come up on your screen: "Made from Cow hide with a Pigs bladder used to inflate the ball. Half the size of a modern football." Silfren Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:41:03 +1100 From: Rebecca Lucas To: lochac at lochac.sca.org Subject: Re: [Lochac] Balls Huh, in: Colin Richmond. 2009. "1509" _Common Knowledge_ Volume 15, Number 3: 336-339 doi: 10.1215/0961754X-2009-015 The answer is "Dog leather with a core of packed hair: Museum of London A23502" This PDF gives the source for it as "Starkey" which would be Starkey, D. (Ed), Henry VIII - A European Court in England, Toucan, London 1991 http://leatherworkingreverend.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/10-chapter-6-travel-goods-and-campware.pdf Which, given modern sensibilities, may explain why the MoL doesn't mention that on their website. ~ffride Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:59:47 +1100 From: Zebee Johnstone To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list" Subject: Re: [Lochac] Balls On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Rebecca Lucas wrote: <<< Huh, in: Colin Richmond. 2009. "1509" _Common Knowledge_ Volume 15, Number 3: 336-339 doi: 10.1215/0961754X-2009-015 The answer is "Dog leather with a core of packed hair: Museum of London A23502" >>> So.. I wonder what the closest to dogskin is? I seem to recall mention in older books of 'dogskin gloves' but I can't remember if they were supposed to be very supple or very tough. Given it's being banged about I would suspect "tough for its weight" would be the key in which case I suggest kangaroo might be worth trying as a substitute. Or maybe deer? Silfren Edited by Mark S. Harris sports-msg Page 25 of 25