teaching-msg - 9/9/09 ਀ഊTeaching in the SCA and in persona. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: universities-msg, Latin-msg, literacy-msg, Teaching-SCA-art, apprentices-msg, Teach-in-SCA-art. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: patmcg at home.merit.edu (Pat McGregor) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㤀 匀攀瀀 㤀㄀ ㄀㠀㨀㌀㈀㨀㈀㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: U of Michigan, ITD Research Systems ਀ഊpears at latcs1.lat.oz.au (Arnold N Pears) writes: ਀㸀䴀礀 爀攀愀氀 愀爀攀愀 漀昀 攀砀瀀攀爀琀椀猀攀 椀猀 䄀爀洀漀甀爀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀椀挀攀搀 愀 琀爀攀渀搀ഊ>in instruction and students which expects the teacher to do much of the ਀㸀最爀漀甀渀搀 眀漀爀欀⸀ഊ ਀㸀䔀最⸀ 夀漀甀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 愀渀搀 猀甀瀀瀀氀礀 琀栀攀 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀ഊ>come and get you to help with all the hard bits. ਀ഊ>This is not real learning. You have to stand on your own two feet ਀㸀愀渀搀 搀漀 礀漀甀爀 漀眀渀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀Ⰰ 搀爀愀昀琀 礀漀甀爀 漀眀渀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀⸀ഊ>Struggle with the materials to make them yield to your will. ਀ ഊMilord -- ਀ ഊWhen I undertake to teach someone who has never done any costuming, but who ਀挀愀渀 猀攀眀 猀攀愀洀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 椀琀攀洀 漀爀 琀眀漀 漀昀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最 眀攀 洀愀欀攀 椀猀 洀愀搀攀 昀爀漀洀 愀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 䤀 洀愀欀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 琀爀礀 愀渀搀 琀攀愀挀栀 琀栀攀洀 栀漀眀 䤀 最漀 愀戀漀甀琀 搀爀愀昀琀椀渀最 椀琀⸀ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 愀ഊnovice to be able to jump right in and draft patterns -- I've been sewing now for ਀漀瘀攀爀 ㈀㔀 礀攀愀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀✀猀 漀渀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 氀愀猀琀 㠀 漀爀 㤀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀洀攀 琀漀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 ഊto draft the patterns I do know how to do -- but I expect to be able to teach this ਀瀀攀爀猀漀渀 琀漀 搀爀愀昀琀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 甀猀攀 琀栀漀猀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 昀爀漀洀    ഊSCA merchants, after they get comfortable with the basic techniques, some ideas ਀愀戀漀甀琀 眀栀愀琀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最 眀愀猀 氀椀欀攀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 䤀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀 椀猀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 猀漀洀攀 ഊresearch on trim, fabric, etc, instead of point and choose out of a ਀挀漀猀琀甀洀攀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 䤀✀瘀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀 琀爀攀愀猀甀爀攀℀ഊ ਀匀椀洀椀氀愀爀氀礀 眀椀琀栀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 䤀 琀愀欀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀渀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀 椀搀攀愀 栀漀眀 琀漀 搀攀愀氀ഊwith a kitchen, and try to get them started. I have one student right now ਀眀栀漀 栀愀猀 琀甀爀渀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 愀渀 攀砀挀攀氀氀攀渀琀 挀漀漀欀Ⰰ 挀愀渀 搀攀愀氀 眀椀琀栀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀礀 ⠀愀渀搀 眀栀漀 栀愀猀Ⰰഊin fact, taught me an excellent method for figuring out mass quantities ਀漀昀 琀栀椀渀最猀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀猀 甀渀昀氀愀瀀瀀愀戀氀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀⸀ 䄀猀 猀漀漀渀 愀猀 䤀 最攀琀 椀琀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀ഊto her that we need to do research on recipes, and you can't just pick up ਀愀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 挀漀漀欀戀漀漀欀 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀礀 椀琀 戀礀 攀愀爀Ⰰ 䤀✀氀氀 昀攀攀氀 氀椀欀攀 愀 爀攀愀氀 猀甀挀挀攀猀猀⸀ 䈀甀琀 猀栀攀✀猀ഊlearned so much already, if she never actually makes that last hurtle, ਀椀琀 眀椀氀氀 猀琀椀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 眀漀爀琀栀 椀琀⸀ 匀栀攀✀猀 愀渀 攀砀挀攀氀氀攀渀琀 瀀愀爀琀渀攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀Ⰰഊand much more willing to do some of the drudge work than I am! ਀ ഊMy point is this: take people at the levels where you find them, and then ਀猀攀攀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 最漀⸀ 䤀昀 琀栀攀 最漀漀搀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 琀愀甀最栀琀 洀攀 栀愀搀 渀漀琀 戀攀攀渀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最ഊto help me with materials at the outset (and I'm a dreadfully slow learner ਀愀琀 猀漀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 愀猀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀攀爀攀 挀愀渀 愀琀琀攀猀琀⤀Ⰰ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀ഊany progress at all. ਀ ഊAnd I don't think this has much at all to do with being a peer -- more ਀琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 戀攀椀渀最 愀 最漀漀搀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀漀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 猀栀愀爀攀 栀椀猀 漀爀ഊher knowledge. ਀ ഊI remain, in service, ਀ ഊsiobhan medhbh o'roarke Pat McGregor ਀匀栀椀爀攀 䌀礀渀渀愀戀愀爀⼀䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀                              ㌀㘀㌀㠀 䜀爀攀攀渀漀漀欀 䈀氀瘀搀ഊ Ann Arbor, MI 48103 ਀䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀㨀 匀䴀伀刀 愀琀 甀洀⸀挀挀⸀甀洀椀挀栀⸀攀搀甀ഊBITNET: UserW02v at umichum ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 昀渀欀氀猀栀琀渀 愀琀 䄀䌀䘀挀氀甀猀琀攀爀⸀一夀唀⸀䔀䐀唀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀 ⠀眀愀猀 刀攀㨀 䴀漀渀最漀氀猀⤀ഊDate: 21 Jan 94 19:24:18 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 一攀眀 夀漀爀欀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀Ⰰ 一夀Ⰰ 一夀ഊ ਀愀攀㜀㘀㘀 愀琀 礀昀渀⸀礀猀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 匀愀渀搀攀爀猀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>In a previous article, fnklshtn at ACFcluster.NYU.EDU () says: ਀㸀㸀匀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 洀攀Ⰰ 椀昀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 栀愀猀 琀栀攀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀 琀漀 琀攀愀挀栀 琀栀攀 甀猀甀愀氀Ⰰ 爀甀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀椀氀氀Ⰰഊ>>boring (tm) history class, that person has the knowledge to teach in persona. ਀㸀㸀䄀氀氀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀搀 椀猀 愀 戀椀琀 漀昀 攀昀昀漀爀琀⸀ഊ>> ਀㸀㸀一愀栀甀洀ഊ> ਀㸀䤀渀 琀栀攀漀爀礀 䤀 愀最爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀⸀  䘀爀漀洀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 䤀 洀甀猀琀 猀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 搀漀攀猀ഊ>not always work that way. One Pennsic I attempted to teach a class on the ਀㸀栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 愀渀搀 猀瀀爀攀愀搀 漀昀 瀀愀瀀攀爀 愀渀搀 瀀愀瀀攀爀洀愀欀椀渀最 漀渀攀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀  吀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀ഊ>there, but I'm afraid that after my own evaluation of the course I came to ਀㸀琀栀攀 挀漀渀挀氀甀猀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 䈀伀刀䤀一䜀℀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 猀漀洀攀 琀攀愀挀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀愀搀 猀漀洀攀ഊ>good classes, but not only was that particular class boring, but I think it ਀㸀眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 洀甀挀栀 眀漀爀猀攀 椀昀 䤀 栀愀搀 琀爀椀攀搀 琀漀 搀漀 椀琀 椀渀ⴀ瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀嘀愀樀欀  ⠀猀琀椀氀氀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 瀀愀瀀攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀攀猀椀琀愀渀琀 琀漀 琀爀礀 吀䔀䄀䌀䠀䤀一䜀 椀琀 愀最愀椀渀℀⤀ഊ>ae766 at yfn.ysu.edu ਀ഊBefore my answer, a disclaimer. ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀琀椀挀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 洀礀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀礀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 挀漀洀攀 漀昀昀 愀猀 漀昀昀攀渀猀椀瘀攀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 搀漀ഊnot mean to come off sounding that way. ਀䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀 椀渀 愀渀礀 眀愀礀 洀攀愀渀 琀漀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 礀漀甀爀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 椀猀 瘀愀氀椀搀⸀ഊI think we are both searching for ways to improve the experience of all and are ਀椀渀 愀最爀攀攀洀攀渀琀 漀渀 愀氀氀 戀甀琀 搀攀琀愀椀氀猀 ⠀愀渀搀 洀愀礀戀攀 攀瘀攀渀 漀渀 琀栀愀琀⤀⸀ഊ ਀伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 ∀椀琀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 眀漀爀欀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀礀∀⸀ 一漀琀栀椀渀最 愀氀眀愀礀猀 眀漀爀欀猀⸀ഊIt is a great strength to realise that something done - or something that was ਀瀀氀愀渀渀攀搀 ⴀ 眀椀氀氀 渀漀琀 挀漀洀攀 漀昀昀 愀猀 瀀氀愀渀渀攀搀⸀ഊOnce that is realised, one should try to speak with others and attempt to ਀搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀 漀渀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 椀搀攀愀⸀ഊI have no idea what paper-making and its history are about. I think, however, ਀琀栀愀琀 椀琀 洀愀礀 戀攀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 琀攀愀挀栀椀渀最 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最⸀ 倀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 椀渀琀攀爀猀瀀攀爀猀攀ഊhistory with technique demonstration? ਀ഊDuring the summer I work a renn faire as an armourer. Most of the other ਀愀瀀爀攀渀琀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀礀 洀愀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀瀀爀漀愀挀栀 琀栀攀 搀攀洀漀 愀猀 愀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 洀攀琀愀氀甀爀最礀 愀渀搀ഊhistory (in modern terms). This makes it modern people, describing what used to ਀戀攀 ⠀琀栀椀爀搀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 猀琀漀爀礀 琀攀氀氀椀渀最⤀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 愀琀琀攀洀瀀琀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀爀愀挀琀攀爀 漀昀ഊa 16th century armourer's aprentice and talk about things in the way I would ਀栀愀瘀攀 ⠀漀爀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀⤀⸀ ഊWhen I talk about armour styles, I talk about the types of customers for the ਀搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 愀爀洀漀甀爀猀⸀ 圀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 愀猀欀 眀栀礀 䤀 戀氀漀眀 愀椀爀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀攀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀愀氀欀ഊabout chemistry and physics of heat treatment, I speak on an elementary, ਀椀最渀漀爀愀洀甀猀 氀攀瘀攀氀 愀戀漀甀琀 栀攀愀瘀礀 攀氀攀洀攀渀琀猀 ⠀攀愀爀琀栀Ⰰ 眀愀琀攀爀⤀ 愀渀搀 氀椀最栀琀 攀氀攀洀攀渀琀猀 ⠀愀椀爀Ⰰഊfire) and their interaction in producing stronger steel. When they ask how I ਀最漀琀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀椀猀 氀椀渀攀 漀昀 眀漀爀欀 愀渀搀 眀栀愀琀 搀漀 䤀 最攀琀 昀漀爀 椀琀 ⴀ 䤀 琀攀氀氀 琀栀攀洀 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀渀愀ഊstory (including how stingy the master is with food - a real easy one since I'm ਀焀甀椀琀攀 琀栀椀渀⤀⸀ഊThe kids tend to not zone out when I tell it that way and actually learn ਀猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 愀爀洀漀甀爀椀渀最 ⠀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 猀琀愀琀攀 漀昀 愀爀琀椀猀愀渀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀搀氀攀ഊages/ rennaisance). ਀ഊNahum ਀ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䄀一匀吀 ⴀ 匀渀椀瀀椀渀最ഊDate: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:47:41 MST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䌀⸀ 䰀⸀ 圀愀爀搀∀ 㰀最甀渀渀漀爀愀 愀琀 戀最愀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: Ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG ਀ഊMistress Xene asked: ਀㸀䄀昀琀攀爀 愀琀琀攀渀搀椀渀最 愀 眀漀渀搀攀爀昀甀氀 䬀椀渀最✀猀 䌀漀氀氀攀最攀Ⰰ 䤀 眀愀猀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 眀栀愀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀ഊ>else thought of "sniping", that is, attending someone else's class and ਀㸀戀甀琀琀椀渀最 椀渀 挀漀渀猀琀愀渀琀氀礀Ⰰ 漀爀 琀栀攀 渀漀渀ⴀ椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀漀爀 琀愀欀椀渀最 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 挀氀愀猀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀ഊ>instructor. ਀㸀ഊ> ਀㸀ഊ>How would you as an instructor handle a "sniper"? ਀ഊIt depends. If the person knows what they are talking about, then they ਀栀愀瘀攀 愀搀搀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀氀愀猀猀⸀ഊ ਀伀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 栀愀渀搀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀渀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 搀漀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀ഊare hostile or are monopolizing the whole class, and certainly if they ਀搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 䤀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 猀愀礀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 愀氀漀渀最 琀栀攀ഊlines of, "Thank you for your input. I will be glad to discuss this in ਀洀漀爀攀 搀攀琀愀椀氀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀 愀昀琀攀爀 洀礀 挀氀愀猀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 昀漀爀 渀漀眀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀ഊmaterial to cover, so please allow me to continue." ਀ഊI have never had to "shut down" a sniper twice. If they continued butting ਀椀渀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 眀愀爀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 䤀✀搀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 戀攀 愀 戀椀琀 洀漀爀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀㨀ഊ"Mi'lord/Mi'lady, while I'm certain that you have much to add on this ਀琀漀瀀椀挀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 挀氀愀猀猀 琀椀洀攀 䤀✀搀 愀瀀瀀爀攀挀椀愀琀攀 椀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀✀搀 愀氀氀漀眀 ⨀洀攀⨀ഊto present the class and just listen for now rather than adding in. You ਀爀攀愀氀氀礀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀 琀漀 琀攀愀挀栀 愀琀 琀栀攀 渀攀砀琀 䬀椀渀最✀猀 䌀漀氀氀攀最攀 琀漀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀 礀漀甀爀ഊown class." ਀ഊOne thing to point out is that there are some class situations where people ਀愀爀攀 䔀堀倀䔀䌀吀䔀䐀 琀漀 瀀椀琀挀栀 椀渀⸀  䄀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 氀愀戀攀氀氀攀搀 愀 ∀爀漀甀渀搀琀愀戀氀攀∀ 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀渀ഊexample: often we have persona roundtables that really DO need and want ਀戀愀挀欀ⴀ愀渀搀ⴀ昀漀爀琀栀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀 愀洀漀渀最 愀氀氀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀渀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀㸀䠀漀眀 眀漀甀氀搀 礀漀甀 栀愀渀搀氀攀 琀栀攀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀 椀昀 礀漀甀 眀攀爀攀 愀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀㼀ഊ ਀䤀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 椀最渀漀爀攀 椀琀⸀  䄀戀猀漀氀甀琀攀氀礀 䤀 椀最渀漀爀攀 椀琀 椀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀漀爀 椀猀 栀漀氀搀椀渀最ഊtheir own and squelching the sniper themselves. ਀ഊAs a peer, if I see that the instructor is being flustered and doesn't know ਀栀漀眀 琀漀 搀攀愀氀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 椀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀漀爀 椀猀 猀漀洀攀眀栀愀琀 渀攀眀Ⰰ 䤀 眀椀氀氀ഊspeak up and tell the heckler: "Excuse me, mi'lord/mi'lady, please allow ਀漀甀爀 最漀漀搀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀漀爀 琀漀 挀漀渀琀椀渀甀攀⸀  䠀攀⼀猀栀攀 栀愀猀 最漀渀攀 琀漀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 眀漀爀欀 琀漀ഊprepare this class for us, and I for one want to hear what he/she has to ਀猀愀礀⸀∀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 搀漀 琀栀椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 漀昀琀攀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 椀琀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 椀渀猀琀愀渀琀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀㸀䤀猀 椀琀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 椀昀 琀栀攀 猀渀椀瀀攀爀 椀猀 愀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀㼀  伀爀 愀 渀漀渀ⴀ氀愀甀爀攀氀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀攀搀ഊ>in the field? ਀ഊYes. Sometimes they are making an extremely valuable contribution, and ਀最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀礀 眀漀渀✀琀 愀搀搀 椀渀 甀渀氀攀猀猀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀攀搀 椀猀 眀爀漀渀最 漀爀ഊhas really left something out. ਀ഊOn the other hand, even the subject expert should not monopolize someone ਀攀氀猀攀✀猀 挀氀愀猀猀⸀ഊ ਀䜀甀渀渀漀爀愀 䠀愀氀氀愀欀愀爀瘀愀Ⰰ 伀䰀ഊBaroness to the Court of Ansteorra ਀ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀一匀吀 ⴀ 一攀眀 匀甀戀樀攀挀琀 ⴀ 匀渀椀瀀椀渀最ഊDate: Thu, 24 Jun 99 00:14:33 MST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀甀爀漀爀愀攀䈀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊTo: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG ਀ഊ<< After attending a wonderful King's College, I was wondering what everyone ਀ 攀氀猀攀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 漀昀 ∀猀渀椀瀀椀渀最∀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 椀猀Ⰰ 愀琀琀攀渀搀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀✀猀 挀氀愀猀猀 愀渀搀ഊ butting in constantly, or the non-instructor taking over the class from the ਀ 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀漀爀⸀ഊ ਀䠀漀眀 眀漀甀氀搀 礀漀甀 愀猀 愀渀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀漀爀 栀愀渀搀氀攀 愀 ∀猀渀椀瀀攀爀∀㼀  㸀㸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀愀甀最栀琀 愀搀甀氀琀猀 椀渀 愀 渀漀渀ⴀ挀爀攀搀椀琀 攀搀甀挀愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 猀攀琀琀椀渀最 瀀爀漀昀攀猀猀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀 昀漀爀ഊseveral years, and occasionally I get a "sniper" as you have described. ਀ഊAs a professional, I NEVER let a student take control of a class. I am the ਀漀渀攀 戀攀椀渀最 瀀愀椀搀 琀漀 琀攀愀挀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀猀 愀爀攀 瀀愀礀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 琀愀甀最栀琀 戀礀ഊme. ਀ഊEven in a volunteer setting, I'd really advise against letting somebody take ਀挀漀渀琀爀漀氀 漀昀 愀 挀氀愀猀猀⸀  䔀瘀攀渀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 洀漀爀攀 ∀攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀搀∀ 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀ഊmatter, it is the instructor's class, and their position as the instructor ਀猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䤀䴀䠀伀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 昀攀攀氀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 氀攀愀瘀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 瘀攀爀礀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀ഊeither a safety measure or a very integral part of the topic, then butt in. ਀䤀昀 椀琀 椀猀 愀 猀愀昀攀琀礀 洀攀愀猀甀爀攀 戀爀椀渀最 椀琀 甀瀀Ⰰ 椀昀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀渀 洀愀礀戀攀 愀猀欀椀渀最 愀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀ഊin the manner of "I heard that..... what do you know about this?" is ਀愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀⸀  䤀琀 琀愀欀攀猀 琀栀攀 栀攀愀琀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 琀攀愀挀栀攀爀 昀漀爀 渀漀琀 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 椀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊmakes you not come across as such a know it all. ਀ഊWe all are proud of what we know and want to show it off at times, but there ਀椀猀 愀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 愀 瀀氀愀挀攀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 琀栀椀渀欀 礀漀甀 琀爀甀氀礀 欀渀漀眀 洀漀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀 琀栀愀渀ഊthe instructor, then pay polite attention, and plan on teaching an advanced ਀挀氀愀猀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀 洀愀琀琀攀爀 愀琀 琀栀攀 渀攀砀琀 挀漀氀氀攀最攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀搀 愀 挀氀愀猀猀 眀栀攀爀攀 漀渀攀 氀愀搀礀 瀀漀瀀瀀攀搀 漀昀昀 愀渀搀 栀愀搀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 栀攀爀 ㈀ 挀攀渀琀猀 漀渀ഊeverything I said one time, and I was not gonna be rude, because it is a job, ਀戀甀琀 䤀 愀挀欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀搀 栀攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀愀渀渀攀爀 椀昀 ∀䠀洀洀洀⸀⸀⸀琀栀愀琀✀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 琀栀愀渀欀猀ഊfor sharing with us" and continues back to the subject matter. After that ਀栀愀瀀瀀攀渀攀搀 愀 昀攀眀 琀椀洀攀猀 琀漀漀 洀愀渀礀Ⰰ 䤀 猀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 爀甀渀渀椀渀最 猀栀漀爀琀 漀渀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀ഊwe'd have to hold all questions and comments 'till we were through to make ਀猀甀爀攀 眀攀 栀愀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀椀洀攀 琀漀 搀漀 愀氀氀 眀攀 渀攀攀搀攀搀 琀漀 搀漀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀猀漀 ∀爀攀挀爀甀椀琀攀搀∀ 愀 欀渀漀眀 椀琀 愀氀氀 琀漀 戀攀 洀礀 ∀愀猀猀椀猀琀愀渀琀∀ 戀攀昀漀爀攀⸀  䬀攀攀瀀ഊtheir hands busy and they are less likely to pop off at the mouth! ਀ഊAnyway, if you are an instructor, never let a student take over your class, ਀椀琀 椀猀 爀甀搀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 攀瘀攀渀 愀琀琀攀洀瀀琀 椀琀 愀渀搀 甀渀瀀爀漀昀攀猀猀椀漀渀愀氀 漀昀 礀漀甀 琀漀 愀氀氀漀眀 椀琀⸀ഊIf they think they can do better, they can teach it next time. And, in a ਀瘀漀氀甀渀琀攀攀爀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 椀昀 愀 欀渀漀眀 椀琀 愀氀氀 最漀琀 愀最最爀攀猀猀椀瘀攀 攀渀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 䤀✀搀 琀攀氀氀 琀栀攀洀ഊjust that. That if the class is beneath their knowledge level you are sorry ਀礀漀甀 琀漀漀欀 甀瀀 琀栀攀椀爀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 眀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 戀攀 漀昀昀攀渀搀攀搀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 氀攀昀琀 愀渀搀 戀礀 愀氀氀ഊmeans come back and teach an advanced class on the subject next time. ਀ഊIMHO, it is more a matter if respect than knowledge. I have sat through ਀攀渀漀甀最栀 ∀䐀甀栀Ⰰ 䤀 欀渀攀眀 琀栀愀琀∀ 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀 洀礀猀攀氀昀⸀ഊ ਀吀爀愀挀礀ഊ ਀ഊSubject: Re: ANST - Sniping in Classes ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㈀㐀 䨀甀渀 㤀㤀 ㈀㄀㨀　　㨀㔀㄀ 䴀匀吀ഊFrom: "Bob Dewart" ਀吀漀㨀 㰀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀伀刀䜀㸀ഊ ਀䠀愀渀搀氀椀渀最 愀 ∀猀渀椀瀀瀀攀爀∀ 搀攀瀀攀渀搀猀 漀渀 眀栀愀琀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 挀氀愀猀猀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 琀攀愀挀栀椀渀最⸀  䤀昀ഊit's an open forum, you can make the "snipper" work for you. Ask him ਀焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀愀琀 氀攀愀搀猀 椀渀琀漀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 琀愀氀欀 愀戀漀甀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 椀琀✀猀 愀 洀漀爀攀 猀琀爀甀挀琀甀爀攀搀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀 琀椀洀攀 氀椀洀椀琀 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 愀 㔀㔀ഊminute class, you'll want to slam the door on the "snipper" before he gets ਀猀琀愀爀琀攀搀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 愀 戀椀琀 昀漀爀洀愀氀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 眀漀爀欀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀  䜀漀漀搀 洀漀爀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 䠀椀ഊthere, greetings or whatever opening you feel comfortable with. A quick ਀樀漀欀攀 琀漀 戀爀攀愀欀 琀栀攀 椀挀攀 椀猀 漀瀀琀椀漀渀愀氀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 愀 戀愀搀 椀搀攀愀⸀  䤀✀洀 䰀漀爀搀 圀愀琀挀栀椀琀 愀渀搀ഊfor about the next 45 minutes I'm going to show you techniques in underwater ਀戀愀猀欀攀琀 眀攀愀瘀椀渀最⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 氀漀琀 琀漀 猀栀漀眀 礀漀甀 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 洀甀挀栀 琀椀洀攀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀愀瘀攀搀ഊ10 minutes at the end of the class for you questions and comments. Please ਀猀愀瘀攀 礀漀甀爀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 琀椀氀氀 琀栀攀渀⸀  䄀氀爀椀最栀琀 琀栀攀渀⸀⸀⸀愀渀搀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 挀氀愀猀猀 礀漀甀 最漀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀愀琀 椀昀 䰀漀爀搀 圀愀渀琀猀琀漀欀渀漀眀椀琀愀氀氀爀椀最栀琀渀漀眀 愀猀欀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 礀漀甀✀爀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀ഊcover in about ten minutes? You can say, "That's a good question. Hold ਀琀栀愀琀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀Ⰰ 眀攀✀氀氀 戀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀渀 樀甀猀琀 愀 洀漀洀攀渀琀⸀∀ 伀爀 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀Ⰰ ∀吀栀愀琀✀猀 愀渀ഊinteresting point; however, I hadn't planned on discussing that in this ਀挀氀愀猀猀⸀  䤀✀氀氀 戀攀 栀愀瀀瀀礀 琀漀 琀愀氀欀 琀漀 礀漀甀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 挀氀愀猀猀⸀∀  吀栀攀渀 愀最愀椀渀Ⰰഊdon't be affraid to let a question remind you of a point you forgot to ਀挀漀瘀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 椀琀✀猀 愀 氀漀渀最攀爀 挀氀愀猀猀Ⰰ 愀 昀攀眀 猀椀搀攀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀 洀愀礀 愀搀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最⸀  䤀昀ഊ*you* have the time, *you* might allow questions during the discussion. I ਀眀漀甀氀搀 漀渀氀礀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 搀漀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 椀昀 琀椀洀攀 椀猀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 漀爀 渀漀 昀愀挀琀漀爀 愀渀搀 ⨀礀漀甀⨀ 愀爀攀ഊwell prepared. ਀ഊFor a beginner instructor, it's important that the students feel like you ਀欀渀漀眀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀✀爀攀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀⸀  吀栀椀猀 挀愀渀 戀攀 搀漀渀攀 戀礀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊKnow your subject and practice, practice, practice your presentation. ਀ഊAnyone who wishes help in preparing or how to give a class, please feel free ਀琀漀 愀猀欀⸀ഊ ਀䜀椀氀氀椀ഊInstructor, III corps Battle Simulation Center, Fort Hood, TX ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㤀 匀攀瀀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㔀㨀㔀　㨀　㌀ ⴀ　㜀　　ഊFrom: lilinah at grin.net ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 䌀漀漀欀椀渀最 䌀氀愀猀猀攀猀ഊ ਀刀漀椀戀攀愀爀搀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 愀氀漀渀攀 眀栀攀渀 栀攀 猀愀椀搀㨀ഊ>I want to teach a few classes on medieval ਀㸀挀氀愀猀猀攀猀 戀甀琀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀漀 猀琀愀爀琀 ⠀椀⸀攀⸀ 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 昀漀漀搀猀Ⰰ 猀瀀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 洀攀琀栀漀搀猀 漀昀ഊ>cooking, etc.). Everytime I think of a topic, I don't see how to best teach ਀㸀椀琀 椀渀 愀 漀渀攀 漀爀 琀眀漀 栀漀甀爀 猀攀猀猀椀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 琀愀甀最栀琀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 ⠀椀✀洀 樀甀猀琀 氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最 洀礀猀攀氀昀 ⴀ 琀愀欀椀渀最ഊScully or Pleyn Delight to bed with me :-) but i have taught both ਀䤀渀搀漀渀攀猀椀愀渀 愀渀搀 匀漀甀琀栀攀愀猀琀 䄀猀椀愀渀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀⸀ 䤀 栀愀搀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 琀眀漀 栀漀甀爀猀ഊ(it was almost 18 years ago, and i don't remember just how long i had - ਀洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀栀爀攀攀⤀ 愀渀搀 攀愀挀栀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 氀愀猀琀攀搀 ㄀　 猀攀猀猀椀漀渀猀⸀ 䤀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀搀 愀ഊlarge kitchen, as the courses were at a city college that regularly offered ਀挀漀漀欀椀渀最 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀⸀ 䤀✀搀 渀攀瘀攀爀 琀愀甀最栀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀 栀愀搀 挀漀漀欀攀搀Ⰰ 猀漀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 洀愀搀攀 愀 戀愀猀椀挀 琀攀渀ⴀ挀氀愀猀猀 漀甀琀氀椀渀攀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 椀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 猀琀愀爀琀 眀椀琀栀 ⠀琀栀攀 氀攀猀猀ഊunusual foodstuffs and techniques) and worked up to some fairly odd and ਀挀漀洀瀀氀攀砀 琀栀椀渀最猀⸀ 吀栀攀渀 椀 挀漀甀氀搀 昀椀氀氀 椀渀 漀爀 洀漀瘀攀 琀栀椀渀最猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 愀猀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀ഊtook shape. ਀ഊFor each class, i planned a menu for a complete but comparatively simple ਀洀攀愀氀⸀ 䤀 琀愀氀欀攀搀 ⨀戀爀椀攀昀氀礀⨀ 琀漀 椀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀攀 琀栀攀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀甀渀琀爀礀 漀爀 爀攀最椀漀渀ഊfrom which the food came, the preparing and cooking methods to be used, and ਀愀渀礀 甀渀甀猀甀愀氀 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀猀⸀ 吀栀攀渀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀猀 攀愀挀栀 琀漀漀欀 愀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀 愀渀搀 洀愀搀攀ഊit. I supervised to make sure things were going along as they should and to ਀愀渀猀眀攀爀 愀渀礀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ 䤀 愀氀猀漀 栀攀氀瀀攀搀 瀀爀攀瀀愀爀攀 愀渀搀 挀漀漀欀⸀ 吀栀攀渀 眀攀 愀氀氀 愀琀攀 琀栀攀ഊmeal, discussing the process as we ate. ਀ഊI had at least one class in which we explored a single technique, such as ਀洀愀欀椀渀最 猀愀琀攀 ⠀漀昀琀攀渀 猀瀀攀氀氀攀搀 猀愀琀愀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 唀匀⤀ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 愀渀 䤀渀搀漀渀攀猀椀愀渀⼀䴀愀氀愀礀ഊdish, but often appears under this name on Thai menus, or deep-frying ਀挀爀椀猀瀀礀 猀渀愀挀欀ⴀ礀 琀栀椀渀最猀 ⠀挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀漀甀琀 椀渀 匀䔀 䄀猀椀愀⤀Ⰰ 搀漀 最攀琀 昀漀氀欀猀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀ഊfear of deep-frying. ਀ഊFor the last class in the Southeast Asian program, i didn't have a single ਀洀攀愀氀 瀀氀愀渀渀攀搀㬀 爀愀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 椀 最愀瘀攀 漀甀琀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀ഊcountries which were very similar -- that is, several recipes for meat slow ਀挀漀漀欀攀搀 椀渀 愀 猀漀礀ⴀ猀愀甀挀攀 戀愀猀攀搀 猀愀甀挀攀Ⰰ 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 昀漀爀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀爀攀猀栀 挀甀挀甀洀戀攀爀ഊ"pickles", for a green vegetable, and several unusual sweet drinks. Then we ਀搀攀挀椀搀攀搀 眀栀椀挀栀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 琀漀 搀漀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀攀 昀椀渀椀猀栀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 愀 洀攀愀氀 漀昀 洀甀氀琀椀挀甀氀琀甀爀愀氀ഊbut compatible dishes. ਀ഊSo, there are several possibilities that i can imagine for approaching ਀琀攀愀挀栀椀渀最 愀 猀栀漀爀琀 挀氀愀猀猀㨀ഊ ਀匀椀洀瀀氀攀 䌀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 䴀攀愀氀 ⴀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 栀漀甀爀猀 愀渀搀 愀挀挀攀猀猀 琀漀 愀 搀攀挀攀渀琀ഊkitchen, you could design a simple meal. I would think it best to focus on ਀漀渀攀 琀椀洀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 愀渀搀 漀渀攀 ∀挀漀甀渀琀爀礀∀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 洀愀椀渀 搀椀猀栀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊappear in a meal. You wouldn't want to get to elaborate, as you will likely ਀栀愀瘀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 猀瀀愀挀攀 挀漀渀猀琀爀愀椀渀琀猀⸀ 倀椀挀欀 ㌀ 漀爀 㐀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀欀攀 愀 渀椀挀攀 洀攀愀氀ഊand have the class share the work. Don't try to do everything yourself. ਀ഊSingle Topic, Several Recipes - If you have access to a kitchen but more ਀氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 氀椀洀椀琀 礀漀甀爀 挀氀愀猀猀 琀漀 愀 猀椀渀最氀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀 琀栀愀琀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀ഊrequire too many different kinds of equipment, such as sauces or certain ਀欀椀渀搀猀 漀昀 瘀攀最攀琀愀戀氀攀 搀椀猀栀攀猀⸀ 倀椀挀欀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀ഊand sample in the allotted time. ਀ഊHistory - If you don't have access to a kitchen at all (!!), you could ਀椀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀攀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 戀礀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 椀琀 愀渀搀ഊmodern cooking in terms of the attitude of the cooks and consumers of the ਀昀漀漀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀 猀攀琀 甀瀀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 椀渀最爀攀搀椀攀渀琀猀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 愀渀搀 栀漀眀ഊa cook would get them, seasonings, "fish day" and other fast and Lenten ਀搀椀猀栀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀攀猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 戀漀琀栀 椀渀 琀攀爀洀猀 漀昀 戀漀漀欀猀 愀渀搀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀漀 最攀琀 甀渀甀猀甀愀氀ഊingredients. In one hour you won't be able to cover all the above topics; ਀樀甀猀琀 瀀椀挀欀 漀渀攀 漀爀 琀眀漀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 挀漀瘀攀爀⸀ 䘀漀爀 戀攀最椀渀渀攀爀猀Ⰰ 椀✀搀 猀琀愀爀琀 眀椀琀栀 栀漀眀ഊattitudes and kitchens and equipment and methods differed, but that's just ਀漀昀昀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 漀昀 洀礀 栀攀愀搀 ⴀ 礀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 瀀攀爀猀瀀攀挀琀椀瘀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 琀愀甀最栀琀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 戀攀昀漀爀攀Ⰰ 椀 眀漀甀氀搀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 猀琀愀爀琀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 愀ഊ"beginner's class: think about the first stuff you learned and how you ਀眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 氀椀欀攀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀最甀渀 氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最⸀ 圀栀愀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀ഊfor starters? History and culture? Hands-on? How to make a particular kind ਀漀昀 搀椀猀栀㼀ഊ ਀䤀琀 猀漀甀渀搀猀 氀椀欀攀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 栀愀搀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 椀搀攀愀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀爀攀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀ഊchickening out. Sit down with a piece of paper (or open your favorite word ਀瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀漀爀 㨀ⴀ⤀ 愀渀搀 猀琀愀爀琀 樀漀琀琀椀渀最 渀漀琀攀猀 愀渀搀⼀漀爀 洀愀欀椀渀最 愀渀 漀甀琀氀椀渀攀⸀ 倀椀挀欀 ⨀漀渀攀⨀ഊtopic, whatever grabs you, and start inventing a focused class. Keep the ਀挀氀愀猀猀 昀漀挀甀猀攀搀 ⴀ 攀椀琀栀攀爀 漀渀 愀 琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀Ⰰ 愀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 爀攀挀椀瀀攀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀ഊtime and place, a featured ingredient, i'm sure you can think of more. Keep ਀琀栀攀 昀漀挀甀猀 愀渀搀 椀 戀攀琀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 搀爀愀昀琀 愀 戀愀猀椀挀 挀氀愀猀猀 椀渀 渀漀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 匀漀 眀栀愀琀 椀昀 椀琀ഊlooks too long! Get the "meat", the jist of the topic down - when you're ਀猀愀琀椀猀昀椀攀搀 礀漀甀✀瘀攀 最漀琀琀攀渀 搀漀眀渀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 最漀 戀愀挀欀 愀渀搀ഊedit to suit your allotted time. Don't start writing with the time in mind ਀漀爀 礀漀甀✀氀氀 昀攀攀氀 栀愀洀瀀攀爀攀搀⸀ 䜀攀琀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 猀愀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 最漀ഊback and edit. ਀ഊAnahita Gawri bint-Karim al-hakim al-Fassi ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䄀瀀爀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㄀㨀㌀㌀㨀㔀㠀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Mike C. Baker" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 吀攀愀挀栀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀ഊTo: "'Cooks within the SCA'" ਀ഊI have several suggestions related to Ld. David's experience, all of ਀眀栀椀挀栀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀 ⼀ 漀昀昀攀爀攀搀 瀀爀攀瘀椀漀甀猀氀礀⸀  一伀一䔀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 椀猀 洀攀愀渀琀ഊas a criticism; I am only attempting to describe alternative approaches. ਀ഊ1. If you know in advance when a re-occurring event is scheduled, go ਀愀栀攀愀搀 愀渀搀 愀搀搀 椀琀 琀漀 礀漀甀爀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 猀挀栀攀搀甀氀攀 愀猀 猀漀漀渀 愀猀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀ഊdate(s) available. (Events with "permanent" event dates, such as "wars" ਀漀爀 爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 搀愀琀攀猀 漀渀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 挀愀氀攀渀搀愀爀猀Ⰰ 愀爀攀 猀椀洀瀀氀攀猀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀ഊstrategy...) Decide whether or not you are willing to attend, THEN ਀眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 漀爀 渀漀琀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 琀攀愀挀栀⸀ഊ ਀㈀⸀  倀爀攀瀀愀爀攀 琀栀攀 挀氀愀猀猀 漀爀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 琀攀愀挀栀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀爀攀攀ഊ"standards" and several more in the status of "I can wing it" or that ਀漀琀栀攀爀眀椀猀攀 渀攀攀搀 瘀攀爀礀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 眀漀爀欀 ⴀⴀ 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀 琀栀愀琀 䤀ഊcan dredge back to the surface from my lifetime in Scouting. ਀ഊ3. Offer the autocrat / course coordinator the courses you most want to ਀琀攀愀挀栀 ⨀昀椀爀猀琀⨀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 瀀爀攀氀椀洀椀渀愀爀礀 搀攀琀愀椀氀猀 ⠀琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 猀瀀愀挀攀Ⰰ 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀 挀愀瀀愀挀椀琀礀Ⰰഊany fees or pre-requisites). Be willing to compromise, but only within ਀礀漀甀 漀眀渀 挀漀洀昀漀爀琀 稀漀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀㌀䄀⸀  䤀昀 琀栀攀 琀愀爀最攀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀猀 猀甀戀猀琀愀渀琀椀愀氀 琀爀愀瘀攀氀Ⰰ 愀氀猀漀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀ഊoffering to teach at non-event locations on the way to or from the event ਀愀渀搀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 ∀氀漀挀愀氀∀ 䄀☀匀 氀攀愀搀攀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 戀爀愀渀挀栀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀ഊproposal. ਀ഊ4. If you are going to attend an event and the format doesn't include ਀昀漀爀洀愀氀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 猀琀椀氀氀 漀昀昀攀爀 礀漀甀爀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀氀氀礀⸀ഊ ਀㔀⸀  䤀昀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀 栀愀猀 昀漀爀洀愀氀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀 猀挀栀攀搀甀氀攀搀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 挀氀愀猀猀ഊprepared but are not otherwise scheduled, offer the class coordinator / ਀愀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀 礀漀甀爀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀猀 愀猀 攀洀攀爀最攀渀挀礀 昀椀氀氀ⴀ椀渀 ⠀昀漀爀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀漀爀猀 眀栀漀 昀愀椀氀 琀漀ഊappear -- "life happens"). ਀ഊ6. Where possible, structure at least one class in your repertoire for ਀昀氀攀砀椀戀椀氀椀琀礀 椀渀 琀攀爀洀猀 漀昀 琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 昀愀挀椀氀椀琀礀Ⰰ 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀  䘀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 䤀ഊteach a class on the myth and history of Bards -- I've done a version in ਀氀攀猀猀 琀栀愀渀 愀渀 栀漀甀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 昀甀氀氀 猀攀猀猀椀漀渀 椀渀 琀栀爀攀攀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀ഊ"natural" two-hour length. ਀ഊ7. If the material lends itself to the concept, prepare a children's ਀瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 愀渀 愀搀甀氀琀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 ⠀漀爀 瘀椀挀攀 瘀攀爀猀愀⤀ ⴀⴀ 愀渀搀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 愀ഊ"blended" version that will engage both adults AND children. ਀ഊAdieu, Amra / ttfn - Mike / Pax ... Kihe ਀ഊMike C. Baker ਀匀䌀䄀㨀 ⠀愀氀ⴀ匀愀礀礀椀搀⤀ 䄀洀爀 椀戀渀 䴀愀樀椀搀 愀氀ⴀ䈀愀欀爀椀 愀氀ⴀ䄀洀爀愀Ⰰ 䘀⸀伀⸀䈀Ⰰ 伀匀䌀䄀ഊ"Other": Reverend Kihe Blackeagle PULC (the DreamSinger Bard) ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䄀瀀爀 ㈀　　㠀 ㄀㐀㨀㄀　㨀㔀㔀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: Stefan li Rous ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 吀攀愀挀栀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀ഊTo: SCA-Cooks maillist SCA-Cooks ਀ഊKiri commented: ਀㰀㰀㰀 䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 戀攀椀渀最 愀 最漀漀搀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀 椀猀 琀漀 愀爀爀椀瘀攀 愀琀 琀栀攀ഊclass on time. It is seriously annoying to be in the middle of a thought ਀漀渀氀礀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 椀琀 搀椀猀爀甀瀀琀攀搀 戀礀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 愀爀爀椀瘀椀渀最 氀愀琀攀⸀  吀栀攀 挀漀甀爀琀攀漀甀猀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀ഊwill arrive before the scheduled start time, locate a seat and get settled ਀⠀瀀攀渀Ⰰ 瀀愀瀀攀爀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 渀漀琀攀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀⤀ 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀漀爀 猀琀愀爀琀猀⸀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ ਀䄀爀爀椀瘀椀渀最 氀愀琀攀 椀猀渀✀琀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 琀栀攀 昀愀甀氀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀⸀ 匀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 琀栀攀ഊindividual scheduling the event forgets that you need transit time ਀戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀渀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 戀甀椀氀搀椀渀最 漀爀 椀渀 愀搀樀愀挀攀渀琀ഊtents. Perhaps it is unusual but I'm someone who often will try to ਀愀琀琀攀渀搀 琀栀爀攀攀 漀爀 昀漀甀爀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀 椀渀 愀 爀漀眀 愀渀搀 䤀✀瘀攀 栀愀搀 洀愀渀礀 琀攀愀挀栀攀爀猀ഊteach right up to (or past) the time the next class is supposed to ਀猀琀愀爀琀⸀ 吀栀攀渀 䤀 昀椀渀搀 洀礀猀攀氀昀 猀挀甀爀爀礀椀渀最 漀昀昀 琀漀 琀栀愀琀 渀攀砀琀 挀氀愀猀猀 栀漀瀀椀渀最 䤀ഊwon't be too late or disruptive. ਀ഊThis is also an advantage of having all classes in one area. ਀唀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 爀攀愀猀漀渀猀 渀漀琀 琀漀Ⰰ 猀甀挀栀 愀猀 琀栀攀 䔀愀爀氀礀ഊPeriod Encampment at Gulf Wars being on the other side of the event ਀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 挀氀愀猀猀 琀攀渀琀猀⸀ 伀爀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀 攀渀挀愀洀瀀洀攀渀琀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 渀漀琀ഊbeing near the class tents. Or the problem with having classes in ਀瀀爀椀瘀愀琀攀 攀渀挀愀洀瀀洀攀渀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 琀栀攀 琀攀愀挀栀攀爀 昀愀椀氀猀 琀漀 猀栀漀眀 甀瀀 昀漀爀 愀 挀氀愀猀猀 䤀 眀愀猀 瀀氀愀渀渀椀渀最 漀渀ഊattending, I usually look for an alternate, if I haven't already had ਀愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 漀渀攀 椀渀 洀椀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 戀攀愀琀 漀甀琀⸀ 䈀甀琀 猀椀渀挀攀 椀琀 漀昀琀攀渀ഊisn't clear that the teacher isn't going to show up for five or ten ਀洀椀渀甀琀攀猀Ⰰ 挀栀愀渀最椀渀最 琀漀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 挀氀愀猀猀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 洀攀愀渀猀 樀漀椀渀椀渀最 椀琀 氀愀琀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊif I have to cross the camp to get to that other class, impossible. ਀ഊAnother problem recently at Pennsic or maybe it was Gulf Wars, was ਀攀瘀攀渀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 漀甀琀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀瘀愀琀攀 攀渀挀愀洀瀀洀攀渀琀 眀栀攀爀攀 愀 挀氀愀猀猀 眀愀猀 戀攀椀渀最ഊheld was located. ਀ഊStefan ਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊTHLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra ਀     䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀           䄀甀猀琀椀渀Ⰰ 吀攀砀愀猀ഊ ਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊMark S. Harris teaching-msg Page 9 of 9 ਀ഊ