tent-walls-msg - 5/7/11

Useful comments on tent and pavilion walls. Attaching tent walls. Dagging, weather striping. Valances.

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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:06:44 +1100
From: "Rhys Howitt" <rhysh at webone.com.au>
Subject: [Lochac] Who has used nylon wall hooks for pavilions?
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

If you've used these hooks to join your pavilion walls to your roof, could
you please give me some hints?

* how far apart?

* how far from the edges?

* would love a picture or longer description.

Cristoval


Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:26:38 +1300 (NZDT)
From: Alasdair Muckart <silver at where.else.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] Who has used nylon wall hooks for pavilions?
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Rhys Howitt wrote:
<<< If you've used these hooks to join your pavilion walls to your roof, could
you please give me some hints? >>>

Do you have a link to the hooks?

What's the attachment at the eave of the roof? Is it the standard bit of 
sash cord running around the inside between double valances, like Panther 
use?

I used wooden toggles on the Ginormous Tent Of Doom, which looks nice on 
the inside if you've got a single valance. They weren't implemented quite 
right on my one but the theory is sound.

When I rework the tent I plan on just hanging the walls directly from the 
stopper knots of the crow's-foot ropes using ties or loops.
--
Alasdair Muckart | William de Wyke | http://wherearetheelves.net


Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:27:31 +1100
From: Alonya Mazoyer <submarinechick at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] Who has used nylon wall hooks for pavilions?
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

They did theirs slightly differently to yours.
The basis of their pavilion framing is 6 6x1 pieces of wood that form
a rectangular frame.  They have hooks at certain spaces around the
frame and then the walls have grommets that slot over the hooks.  This
causes a problem with leaky corners however.  I am not sure how Peter
and Helen corrected this though.  The entire structure takes at least
4-6 people just to put the roof up and a lot of time to hang the
walls.

You could email him and ask him if you want specifics.  I do know that
he made scale models in the planning stage.  Funnily enough, one of
these models formed the template for a wedding cake, which is where
the nick-name for the tent came from.  Previously it was dubbed 'the
birthday cake'.  I also believe there are images randomly through out
the Harcourt 2005 & 2007 gallery at www.Jousting.co.nz

Juliana


Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:29:32 +1300
From: Peter & Helen Lyon <lyonesse at paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] Who has used nylon wall hooks for pavilions?
To: lochac at lochac.sca.org

On 22/02/2011, at 19:58 , Alonya Mazoyer wrote:
<<< I also believe that Peter Lyon in Darton has much research from when he
planned his own pavilion.

Almost certainly. Peter has large amounts of research on all sorts of
interesting things. I can't for the life of me remember how their tent walls
hang though. >>>

There is internal woodwork behind the valance all around the perimeter, with
a pair of cross poles that curtains can be hung off to divide the tent into
three spaces. The walls hang off the perimeter woodwork on small painted
steel hooks. It is a pretty complicated tent to construct and put up as a
result of the precise placement of eyelets etc. We also ended up having to
hang the walls on the inside of the woodwork, as heavy rain soaked through
the canvas (even waterproofed) and poured off the woodwork - it still does,
but now it pours on to the walls instead of the floor inside the tent.


Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:42:29 +1100
From: James Brown <jaybe62 at tpg.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] Who has used nylon wall hooks for pavilions?
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

Christoval

I wouldn't use hooks to attach to walls to the roof, I'd use toggles,
mainly because they don't catch on things when you're trying to fold
up the tent, They wont corrode, and they carry the load of the walls
more symmetrically.

The toggles are sewn to the roof. The loops are sewn to the wall.

Wall hooks also "stink" of post period industrialism.

* how far apart?

If you want the result to look neat, space the attachments on four
inches. The wider you space them the more saggy it will become. This
also depends on rigidity of the wall and roof material
If you have the toggles spaced on four inches, you don't need to
always fasten every toggle, but it provides better flexibility
depending on the environmental conditions.

* how far from the edges?

For a valance, the wall attachment will snug up to inside of the
valance. For an eave (i.e where the roof has no valance but the roof
line extends beyond the wall attachment point and is typically held
taut by the guy ropes), a distance of about a hand span - about eight
inches will help prevent water coming in to the interior of the tent.

Also important factor is how much gap between the wall and the roof
actually occurs once the attachment mechanism is established.  I'd do
a mock up section with a few toggles to get a feel for the result.

Also relevant is angle of the roof to the wall. If the wall to roof is
right angleish you may wish to go for a valance as there is likely to
be a significant gap between to wall and the roof. For steeper roofs
the edge of the roof should descend below the top of the wall enough
to shed water.

* would love a picture or longer description.

* Cristoval

Try Sara's Pav Blog:-
http://saravandenhove.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/the-innilgard-baronial-pavilion-design-and-construction/

Rodrigo De Burgos

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