tent-transprt-msg- 12/26/01 ਀ഊSuggestions for transporting tents and pavilions. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: SCA-transport-msg, pavilions-msg, p-tents-msg, tent-setup-msg, tent-alt-msg, tent-sources-msg, tent-ps-msg, tent-dsguises-msg, tent-interior-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: Andrew Tye ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: transporting pavillions ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀　 䴀愀礀 ㈀　　㄀ 　㤀㨀㈀㈀㨀㈀㤀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊOrganization: Oregon Public Networking ਀ഊOn Thu, 10 May 2001, Andrea Gideon wrote: ਀㸀 圀攀 樀甀猀琀 最漀琀 愀 ㄀㘀砀㄀㘀 䘀漀甀爀 匀攀愀猀漀渀猀 䴀椀琀攀爀攀搀 䌀漀爀渀攀爀 琀攀渀琀 戀甀琀 栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 昀椀最甀爀攀搀ഊ> out how to transport it yet. I'd be interested in hearing ideas from ਀㸀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀愀爀猀⸀  伀甀爀猀 椀猀 愀 匀愀琀甀爀渀⸀  䤀猀 漀甀爀 漀渀氀礀 漀瀀琀椀漀渀ഊ> to get a small trailer (priced between $400 and $600 in my area)? ਀ഊIvar here, ਀ഊWhen I first got my Tentsmiths French Bell 11 years ago, I had a Toyota ਀猀攀搀愀渀⸀ 吀栀攀 瀀漀氀攀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀 琀攀渀琀 挀漀洀瀀爀椀猀攀 琀眀漀 ㄀　✀ ㌀∀ 砀 ㌀∀猀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 㤀✀ ㈀砀㄀　Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊfour 7' 2x2s. The solution that I used, (and continue to use with a small ਀琀爀甀挀欀⤀Ⰰ 椀猀 愀 搀攀洀漀甀渀琀愀戀氀攀 爀漀漀昀 爀愀挀欀⸀  ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀⸀ 䴀漀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 洀愀砀椀洀甀洀 氀漀愀搀 漀昀 ㄀　　ഊlbs. Some have more. The one I use is comprised of four brackets and two ਀㈀砀㐀猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 挀愀爀瀀攀琀 爀攀洀渀愀渀琀猀⸀  䘀漀爀 氀愀猀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀 瀀漀氀攀猀 搀漀眀渀ഊI use two 100' lengths of 100 lb. test braided cotton rope. Hemp would be ਀猀琀爀漀渀最攀爀 戀甀琀 愀猀 洀礀 瀀漀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 瀀愀椀渀琀攀搀Ⰰ 䤀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀 猀漀昀琀攀爀 挀漀琀琀漀渀 琀漀 愀瘀漀椀搀ഊdamage to the finish. I have seen others use a variety of bungie cords. ਀ഊPutting the roof rack on and lashing everything down properly takes me ਀愀戀漀甀琀 ㈀㔀 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀⸀  䘀漀爀 洀攀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 洀甀挀栀 氀攀猀猀 漀渀攀爀漀甀猀 琀栀愀渀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀爀椀瘀攀ഊwith a trailer and it allows me to use full length of wood rather than ਀猀攀挀琀椀漀渀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀漀瀀攀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀 甀猀攀Ⰰഊ ਀䤀瘀愀爀 䠀愀欀漀渀愀爀猀漀渀ഊCrosston, West. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 琀栀甀爀洀愀渀 㰀栀椀氀氀琀栀 愀琀 渀愀瘀愀椀爀⸀渀愀瘀礀⸀洀椀氀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀椀渀最 瀀愀瘀椀氀氀椀漀渀猀ഊDate: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:30:56 -0400 ਀ഊI have a Ford Festiva and a 12' x 14' wall tent. ten 5' poles, two 8.5' ਀瀀漀氀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 琀眀漀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 爀漀漀昀 戀攀愀洀⸀ 䔀愀挀栀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 㠀✀ 氀漀渀最⸀ 䤀 戀漀甀最栀琀 愀ഊFord Festiva roof rack on Ebay for $46 delivered. It mounts permanently. ਀䤀 搀椀搀 琀栀攀 樀漀戀 洀礀猀攀氀昀 椀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㈀ 栀漀甀爀猀⸀ 䄀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀漀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 琀攀渀琀 最漀ഊon the rack, and nothing overhangs. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 琀栀攀搀甀挀欀猀 愀琀 戀攀猀琀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀匀琀攀瘀攀 唀爀戀愀挀栀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀椀渀最 瀀愀瘀椀氀氀椀漀渀猀ഊDate: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:13:58 GMT ਀ഊOn Sat, 12 May 2001 20:50:29 -0500, "Y2k_knight" ਀眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>I'm assuming the price on a small trailer is for new, have you considered ਀㸀甀猀攀搀㼀  䌀栀攀挀欀 琀栀攀 一椀挀欀攀氀 䄀搀✀猀Ⰰ 愀氀猀漀 挀栀攀挀欀 漀渀氀椀渀攀⸀  夀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 昀椀渀搀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀ഊ>nearby that has placed an ad on the 'net'. ਀ഊIf you go the trailer route, AVOID those trailers with 8 inch rims if ਀礀漀甀 搀爀椀瘀攀 愀渀礀 搀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀 愀琀 栀椀最栀眀愀礀 猀瀀攀攀搀猀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 瀀爀漀渀攀 琀漀 戀漀琀栀ഊbearing and tire failures (at 65 they are really spinning like ਀挀爀愀稀礀⤀⸀ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 ㄀㌀ 椀渀挀栀 愀猀 愀 洀椀渀椀洀甀洀 椀昀 礀漀甀 搀爀椀瘀攀 氀漀渀最 愀渀搀ഊfast or heavy. ਀ഊNEVER overload your trailer, your life is not worth the additional ਀爀椀猀欀猀⸀ 圀漀爀欀椀渀最 琀爀愀椀氀攀爀 戀爀愀欀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀 爀攀愀氀 最漀漀搀 琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀ഊwith small tow vechicles. ਀ഊDerek ਀Ⰰ        开ഊ, | \ Steve Urbach ਀Ⰰ       簀  ⤀攀爀攀欀ഊ, ____|_/ragonsclaw theducks at JbUeNsKt.com ਀Ⰰ  ⼀ ⼀ ⼀                              最攀琀 爀椀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䨀 唀 一 䬀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: wbfountain at aol.comnospam (Wm. Bryan Fountain) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊDate: 13 May 2001 22:34:58 GMT ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀椀渀最 瀀愀瘀椀氀氀椀漀渀猀ഊ ਀䤀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 昀攀猀琀椀瘀愀 ⴀ 洀礀 猀漀氀甀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 琀爀愀瘀攀氀椀渀最 猀愀氀攀猀洀愀渀猀 甀琀椀氀椀琀礀ഊtrailer 4'x 4' with two large black plastic tool boxes mounted on top - the ਀猀瀀攀愀爀猀 愀渀搀 瀀漀氀攀猀 昀椀琀 漀渀 愀 爀愀挀欀 搀椀愀最漀渀愀氀氀礀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 琀栀攀 猀椀搀攀猀 琀椀氀琀椀渀最 甀瀀眀愀爀搀猀 ⴀഊworked great. ਀ഊThe trailer even did the unthinkable - even fully loaded and going uphill, - ਀椀琀 椀渀挀爀攀愀猀攀搀 洀礀 昀甀攀氀 洀椀氀攀愀最攀 戀礀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㈀ 洀瀀栀⸀⠀搀甀攀 琀漀 眀椀渀搀 爀攀猀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀 ⼀ 搀爀愀最⤀  䤀ഊknow it isn't logical - but it happened - think of the aerodynamics of a flat ਀戀愀挀欀攀搀 瘀攀栀椀挀氀攀 挀漀洀瀀愀爀攀搀 琀漀 愀 猀氀漀瀀攀搀 爀攀愀爀⸀ഊ ਀䰀搀 䈀爀甀渀 䌀愀渀甀琀琀攀猀漀渀 ⴀ 爀攀猀椀搀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀氀愀渀搀猀 ⴀ ⠀䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀⤀ഊ ਀倀爀漀甀搀 匀攀椀最攀 䔀渀最椀渀攀攀爀 ☀ 䴀攀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 䠀漀甀猀攀 嘀漀渀䈀爀愀渀搀攀渀戀甀爀最ഊ ਀䴀䬀䄀 ⴀ 圀洀⸀ 䈀爀礀愀渀 䘀漀甀渀琀愀椀渀ഊAsst. Professor of Industrial Technology ਀匀愀甀欀 嘀愀氀氀攀礀 䌀漀洀洀甀渀椀琀礀 䌀漀氀氀攀最攀ഊDixon, IL ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 縀帀嘀帀縀 㰀欀攀愀攀爀椀猀 愀琀 攀爀椀猀椀愀渀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀椀渀最 瀀愀瘀椀氀氀椀漀渀猀ഊDate: Sun, 13 May 2001 18:57:34 -0400 ਀ഊAndrea Gideon wrote: ਀㸀 圀攀 樀甀猀琀 最漀琀 愀 ㄀㘀砀㄀㘀 䘀漀甀爀 匀攀愀猀漀渀猀 䴀椀琀攀爀攀搀 䌀漀爀渀攀爀 琀攀渀琀 戀甀琀 栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 昀椀最甀爀攀搀ഊ> out how to transport it yet. I'd be interested in hearing ideas from ਀㸀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀愀爀猀⸀  伀甀爀猀 椀猀 愀 匀愀琀甀爀渀⸀  䤀猀 漀甀爀 漀渀氀礀 漀瀀琀椀漀渀ഊ> to get a small trailer (priced between $400 and $600 in my area)? ਀㸀ഊ> Giovanna ਀ഊMany years ago, we went to Sears and purchased at set of roof racks for a ਀爀攀愀氀氀礀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀 瀀爀椀挀攀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 椀昀 匀愀琀甀爀渀猀 栀愀瘀攀 爀愀椀渀 最甀琀琀攀爀猀 漀爀ഊnot, but you can find places that sell roofracks for things like bikes and ਀欀愀礀愀欀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀椀氀氀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀 挀漀洀攀 椀渀 昀漀爀 氀攀猀猀 琀栀愀渀 愀 ␀㐀　　ⴀ㘀　　 愀猀欀椀渀最 瀀爀椀挀攀⸀ഊThat and one of those $30-40 softsided roof bags and you'll have the tent ਀渀漀 氀漀渀最攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀爀 愀琀 愀氀氀Ⰰ 瀀氀甀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 猀瀀愀挀攀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 挀愀爀最漀⸀ഊ ਀䘀氀愀砀礀Ⰰ 眀栀漀猀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 氀椀昀攀 栀愀猀 愀 戀椀最 欀愀礀愀欀 椀渀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 眀栀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 欀椀琀栀爀甀瀀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊSubject: Re: transporting pavillions ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䬀椀琀栀爀甀瀀 䔀渀琀攀爀瀀爀椀猀攀猀Ⰰ 䰀琀搀⸀ഊDate: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:23:12 GMT ਀ഊAndrew Tye wrote: ਀㸀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 瘀愀爀椀攀琀椀攀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀⸀ 䴀漀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 洀愀砀椀洀甀洀 氀漀愀搀 漀昀 ㄀　　ഊ>lbs. Some have more. The one I use is comprised of four brackets and two ਀㸀㈀砀㐀猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 挀愀爀瀀攀琀 爀攀洀渀愀渀琀猀⸀  䘀漀爀 氀愀猀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀 瀀漀氀攀猀 搀漀眀渀ഊ>I use two 100' lengths of 100 lb. test braided cotton rope. Hemp would be ਀㸀猀琀爀漀渀最攀爀 戀甀琀 愀猀 洀礀 瀀漀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 瀀愀椀渀琀攀搀Ⰰ 䤀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀 猀漀昀琀攀爀 挀漀琀琀漀渀 琀漀 愀瘀漀椀搀ഊ>damage to the finish. I have seen others use a variety of bungie cords. ਀ഊCotton is a very poor choice for line to lash down a top load. Much ਀戀攀琀琀攀爀 琀漀 甀猀攀 渀礀氀漀渀⸀  唀猀攀 琀栀攀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀 猀琀爀攀琀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀椀渀攀 琀漀 琀攀渀猀椀漀渀ഊit. It's also easier if you use two ro three shorter pieces in ਀瀀氀愀挀攀 漀昀 愀 猀椀渀最氀攀 氀漀渀最 氀椀渀攀⸀ഊ-- ਀        䠀愀氀 刀愀瘀渀                                䠀愀氀 䠀攀礀搀琀ഊ Mists, Mists, West Albany, CA ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀攀渀椀 㰀瀀愀焀甀攀爀攀琀琀攀 愀琀 愀搀攀氀瀀栀椀愀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀椀渀最 瀀愀瘀椀氀氀椀漀渀猀ഊDate: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:07:09 GMT ਀ഊ> Many years ago, we went to Sears and purchased at set of roof racks for a ਀㸀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀 瀀爀椀挀攀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 椀昀 匀愀琀甀爀渀猀 栀愀瘀攀 爀愀椀渀 最甀琀琀攀爀猀 漀爀ഊ> not, but you can find places that sell roofracks for things like bikes and ਀㸀 欀愀礀愀欀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀椀氀氀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀氀礀 挀漀洀攀 椀渀 昀漀爀 氀攀猀猀 琀栀愀渀 愀 ␀㐀　　ⴀ㘀　　 愀猀欀椀渀最 瀀爀椀挀攀⸀ഊ> That and one of those $30-40 softsided roof bags and you'll have the tent ਀㸀 渀漀 氀漀渀最攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀爀 愀琀 愀氀氀Ⰰ 瀀氀甀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀礀 猀瀀愀挀攀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 挀愀爀最漀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䘀氀愀砀礀Ⰰ 眀栀漀猀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 氀椀昀攀 栀愀猀 愀 戀椀最 欀愀礀愀欀 椀渀 椀琀⸀ഊ ਀䐀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀愀氀 漀瀀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀攀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 最漀琀ഊroof racks for our Buick Century for $20 at a u-pull-it junk yard. For ਀猀琀爀愀瀀瀀椀渀最Ⰰ 眀攀✀爀攀 甀猀椀渀最 爀愀琀挀栀攀琀椀渀最 猀琀爀愀瀀猀 ⠀渀礀氀漀渀Ⰰ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀⤀ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀 最漀琀ഊat a flea market for about $5 each. Even brand new, they're pretty ਀爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀攀 ⠀搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 琀栀攀洀 爀甀渀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 ␀㄀　⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀椀氀氀 氀愀猀琀ഊlonger than ropes. I don't know how well they'd do for poles, though. ਀圀攀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀椀渀最 琀栀爀攀攀 㘀✀ 氀漀渀最 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 琀愀戀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 愀 㔀✀ 眀漀漀搀攀渀ഊrack with this set-up, and it's very sturdy. ਀ഊ-- Cecilia. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀爀甀愀搀栀∀ 㰀爀甀愀搀栀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 琀爀愀渀猀瀀漀爀琀椀渀最 瀀愀瘀椀氀氀椀漀渀猀 漀渀⼀椀渀 猀洀愀氀氀 挀愀爀猀ഊDate: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:11:03 GMT ਀ഊwhy not put the tent roll on the trunk surface, as its metal on those ਀匀愀琀甀爀渀猀⸀ ∀刀漀漀昀 刀愀挀欀猀∀ 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 琀爀甀渀欀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 猀漀氀搀⸀ 䄀渀搀 猀椀渀挀攀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊfirst thing to do after arriving on site, [Troll and Potty = others] is to ਀匀攀琀 琀栀攀 琀攀渀琀⸀ 夀漀甀 眀漀渀✀琀 渀攀攀搀 洀甀挀栀 猀琀甀昀昀椀渀最猀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀礀戀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 琀爀甀渀欀⸀ 一漀眀 琀栀攀ഊweight of the highest things is the poles, and reduces wind loading. ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ琀攀渀琀ⴀ琀爀愀渀猀瀀爀琀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 㐀 漀昀 㐀ഊ ਊ