tent-sources-msg – 9/22/14 Pavilion and canvas merchants. Reviews and recommendations. NOTE: See also the files: pavilions-msg, p-tents-msg, tent-making-msg, yurts-msg, tent-fabrics-msg, p-tent-const-art, tent-care-msg, tent-alt-msg, Pavilions-101-art, tent-painting-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ From: WITHERSPOON at suu.EDU (RHIANWEN) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Inexpensive Period Pavilions Date: 2 Jun 1993 22:28:17 -0400 Just an idea here... In my small town, we have a Coleman factory that opens its doors to the public every Wednesday afternoon to sell fabric "seconds" (maybe not dyed uniformly, maybe another small, unnoticeable defect) for $.50 a pound. Our broke-student Seneschal bought enough good, heavy canvas in natural tan and dark green to make a 10x15 pavilion for a mere pittance. Perhaps there are other such options available elsewhere... Rhianwen Morgaine ferch Aelhaearn From: NIELSEN at falcon.mayo.EDU Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Oh, Gosh, Lots of Stuff... Date: 3 Jun 1993 11:48:54 -0400 Greetings from Lady Therica unto the good gentles of the Rialto! Hmmm... I like the idea of paying for extra space at Pennsic for a larger pavilion --- I know I would do it! As it is, my sunshade is going to be shared with several friends, so it's being 'split up' as it were. Also, I've had some requests for Panther Primitive's address (and Tink, I've tried twice now to mail you the info, and both times it's been burped back at me --- what's your REAL address?) Anyway, for those of you interested, here it is: Panther Primitives PO Box 32 Normantown, WV 25267 For ordering: 1-800-487-2684 For information: 1-304-462-7718 FAX: 1-304-462-7755 They have some nice things and seem quite willing to work with their customers. Yep, another long missive from Therica! --'--,--< at From: salley at niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Tent size at Pennsic Summary: Canvas from Buffalo, NY Date: 6 Jun 93 21:59:01 GMT Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208 In article <19930603093510UCCXDEM at MVS.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU>, UCCXDEM at MVS.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU (UCCXDEM) writes: H.L. Marke von Mainz writes: > >There are many. Waterproof canvass can be had for $3 a yard for 60" wide, > >from National Canvas in Buffalo, NY. I know a member of my household who > >makes pavillions for sale: a 10x10 can cost about $200. I am currently > >Rowena ni Dhonnchaidh > >Shire of Glenn Linn, EK > Lady Rowena, could you post the address and phone number for the > aforementioned National Canvas. Thank You Hi, This is Dagonell who lives in Buffalo. There is no National Canvas listed in the Buffalo phone book. I have no idea what company she's talking about. My lady and I bought the canvas for our tent from: Custom Canvas Mfg. Co. Inc. 775 Seneca Street Buffalo, NY 14210 (716) 852-6372 This is NOT a showroom/store. This is a factory. No mark-ups in the price. ;-) We got just the canvas and made our tent. Lady Aelis (who is blind) had them make her tent to her exact specifications. Their canvas is water-resistant and highly flame retardant. This is not just what the brochures say but backed up by my tests on pieces of scrap. Call them. They were extremely helpful. - Dagonell SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr Habitat : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony Disclaimer : A society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers. Internet : salley at niktow.cs.canisius.edu USnail-net : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029 From: aunties at aol.com (AuntieS) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavillion Question Date: 30 Mar 1994 18:26:02 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) In article , keegan at netcom.com (Tim Bray/C. Keegan) writes: I would like to hear form anyone who has ever bought or used one of their [Tentsmiths] tents... I have two of their tents and they are excellent. They have withstood to worst that Pennsic can throw at them without leaking, ripping, falling over, etc. They aren't as pristine white as they once were, but they work just fine and show no signs of deteriorating after over 7 years. Do remember never to put them away wet (or even damp), do *not* store them in canvas bags or on concrete floors, and *never never* store the ropes with the canvas, as they will leave rope-shaped grease stains on your lovely tent (you guessed it -- I learned the hard way). They can be successfully painted with acrylic or latex paint. Get the optional mudflaps. -- Auntie (Veteran of Too Many Pennsics) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: UCCXDEM Subject: Re: Would it be okay to... Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater OK Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 17:07:00 GMT >In article David Schroeder writes: >>From: David Schroeder >>Subject: Would it be okay to... >>Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 00:02:44 -0400 > >>deletia > >Bertram, Bertram, Bertram.... > >Do you know what you are apt to start here? >Now we'll have knights at tournaments stopping in mid-swing to pitch the latest >anti-perspirant, or anti-rust treatment. >Ladies in glorious Elizabethan garb will have the names of seamstresses >cunningly stitched into the hem of their skirts. >Merchants will hire bards to singingly entice patrons to their booths >(Hmmm - not a bad idea, if the price is right. I'll have to advertise >my availability!) > > >Damien of Baden (who hates watching commercials) >Altavia/Caid > >> Bertram of Bearington . Debatable Lands . AEthelmearc . East Kingdom . SCA >> Dave Schroeder . Technical Manager, CISCORP . Pittsburgh . PA 412.731.3230 > Milord, You are too late. The shire I belong to has a company going. The name is The Mooneschadowe Pavilion Company. We have built 12 pavilions in the last year. Most of the pavilions are for the shire or shire houses. But, every pavilion made going out of shire has a label on the dag and top seam saying 'Mooneschadowe Pavilion Company.' We will be auctioning off another pavilion (constructed to specs) at our tourney this September, and we are in contract phase for another 3 pavilions. So advertising is already going on. Marke *********************************************************************** H.L. Marke von Mainz David Mann Design Master- Mooneschadowe Pavilion Co. OSU Mooneschadowe, Ansteorra Stillwater, Ok. From: caradoc at enet.net (John Groseclose) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavilions (period or periodish) Date: 26 Oct 1994 16:57:48 GMT Organization: Who? Me? Organized? In article <9410252145462678307 at aol.com>, DonaldH465 at aol.COM wrote: > Do people have any experiences with such pavilions that they could share with > me so that I might make a wise purchase (and keep my lady wife in the comfort > she so richly deserves)? Good or bad, I'm just curious what your experiences > are. I'm the proud owner of a TentMasters 15'x15' mitred corner octagon. It's been to one Estrella, and two minor wars. So far, it shows NO signs of wear (although two of the stakes are bent from the rather hard ground at the Baron's War in Atenveldt. No problem to straighten them.) I haven't seen the Panther Pavilions, but I'll say with conviction that TentMasters makes some very fine pavilions, and that I have yet to see someone who's unhappy with theirs. During the Estrella "Hurricane," I saw *many* pavilions blown over, damaged, destroyed, or removed completely from the site by the wind. I do not remember seeing any of the TentMasters pavilions on site being moved much. -- John D. Groseclose From: mjc+ at cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavilions (period or periodish) Date: 27 Oct 94 13:51:35 GMT Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, School of Computer Science Several years ago I bought a small pavillion from RKE Lodges. (If anyone has a current address, please let me know.) The workmanship was excellent, and they delivered a custom order on time or perhaps a bit early. Aside from cutting poles and ropes, I've never had to do a bit of work on it. It's held up great through 6 or 7 Pennsics. It's *never* leaked, and I've never had a tie or stake loop pull loose. Their prices several years ago were the best I'd seen. I finally outgrew it, and I was tired of spending more of my Pennsic space allocation on rope space than living space, so this year I built a yurt. I ordered the (pre-made) canvas from Service Canvas in Buffalo, NY. They missed several promised delivery dates; the canvas showed up the day before I left for Pennsic this year (though it was due weeks earlier). This meant I didn't have a chance to test-drive it before the war, which in turn meant that I didn't discover that it leaked like a sieve until I was at Pennsic. The construction is poor (they didn't even finish the seams correctly), and when I called (in the middle of Pennsic) to complain about the leaking their response was to mail me a tube of seam-sealer and tell me to live with it. They were rude and produced sub-standard work; I will never deal with them again. Were I to do it over, I would ask RKE Lodges to make my yurt even though to the best of my knowledge they've never done a yurt before. They'd probably have done a better job despite that. Ellisif Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: rmccown at world.std.com (Bob McCown) Subject: Re: Pavilions (period or periodish) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:21:44 GMT caradoc at enet.net (John Groseclose) writes: >In article <9410252145462678307 at aol.com>, DonaldH465 at aol.COM wrote: >> Do people have any experiences with such pavilions that they could share with >> me so that I might make a wise purchase (and keep my lady wife in the comfort >> she so richly deserves)? Good or bad, I'm just curious what your experiences >> are. I own a Midieval Miscelanea pavillion. Its been through 2 pennsics, including this rainy/windy one, and the internal metal frame, although looking flimsy, is remarkably sturdy when roped out. However, I wouldnt reccomend buying one. Ive had seam leak problems from day one, and the poles for around the perimeter (its an oval) arent bent correctly. Im STILL waiting for the replacement poles promised to me this pennsic, and still havent seen them...sigh... Robur of Roestoc rmccown at world.std.com An archaeologist will date any old thing. From: kathy.duffy at buckys.com (Kathy Duffy) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavilions (period or periodish) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 18:58:00 GMT Organization: *Bucky's BBS* (609)861-1131 C>> Do people have any experiences with such pavilions that they could share wi >> me so that I might make a wise purchase (and keep my lady wife in the comfo >> she so richly deserves)? Good or bad, I'm just curious what your experienc >> are. First our shire tried making a pavilion with a pattern. The sewing was laborious and the fabric due to the amount needed was not cheap (we used a nylon. But the framing was REALLY costly and we weren't happy with it. The next year, they replaced the framing more$$$. It is unfrequently used, hard to erect, etc. So when it became time for my husband and I to get a pavilion, I insisted on a Tentmaster's 15x17 oval or he could sign those divorce papers. I would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER agree to make another pavilion. We were superbly satisfied with the Tentmasters pavilion and will add a fly for a covered outside area this coming year. It's cooler, roomy and easier to erect than most mundane tents. Lady Deirdre Ui Mhaille EK, Shire of Barren Sands kathy.duffy at buckys.com From: Tim.Troupe at f56.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Tim Troupe) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavilions (period or periodish) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 13:50:00 -0800 I purchased a pather lodge and The company has done wonders in mkkeing sure I was happy. !-800-panther . I got their 21-24 marquee with 7' slanting walls. Great tent. Ailithir loenseoir Explorer of dragon's mist. From: odlin at reed.edu (Iain Odlin) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavilions (period or periodish) Date: 4 Nov 1994 08:09:47 GMT Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team (We're Trained Professionals) In article <783853242.AA02391 at jina.rain.com>, Tim Troupe wrote: >I purchased a pather lodge and The company has done wonders in mkkeing sure >I was happy. !-800-panther . I got their 21-24 marquee with 7' slanting >walls. Great tent. Why do *I* have to be the one sounding a dissenting view all the time... *sigh* My tent too is a Panther. (12x14 Wall tent) Thus far, I've only used it at Pennsic (the recreation of the parting -- and closing -- of the Red Sea that happened earlier this year) and have a few problems with it, nearly all of which I've discussed with Panther Reps. First, it was late. So late that I only had two days to make the poles for it before I left for Pennsic. No problem; just a little inconvenience and shorter fingernails. Second, the docs that came with it aren't terribly clear to someone who is generally unclear on tents that you don't "throw into the air and watch them assemble themselves as they come down." "Is *that* what's supposed to happen?" was a common phrase during my tent's ...ahem... erection. [As it was, after a few days I dropped the tent and raised it again.] Again, no problem; just an inconvenience. There's only so much you can say on paper. I just wish they'd've included a word or two on potential pitfalls, common problems and how to deal with a hillside... Third, no one ever told me that my $60 ground cloth was supposed to go *over* a big plastic non-period rustly tarp, not replace it -- not even the aforesaid docs. [To which I respond, "If I have to have the plastic anyway, and the cloth is just covered with carpet, what the heck good is it?"] Unsurprising to many in the audience, by the time the two weeks of liquid sunshine at Pennsic was over, my ground cloth had mildewed vigorously (and, yes, rotted through in six separate places -- be thou warned). Salvageable? Ha! This was a bit annoying. Fouthly, my tent, after being up for two days, *shrank*. Is there one word about this possibility in the docs? [My sarcastic reply: Can Dolly Parton see her feet?] So, with twelve days of Pennsic left, my tent's skin is smaller than the poles inside it. I lost nearly an inch of length, and a full three inches of height. This made closing the doors very interesting... Mildly irritating. And lastly, I take down my tent at the end of Pennsic and discover -- by this time an anticlimax, actually -- that one of the tent loops had rotted through. After a mere two weeks of use, something that *has* to hit the ground rots to uselessness. This I found a wee bit upsetting. And now that it's home and sort-of loosely rolled up in my basement (it was packed dry -- I made *damn* sure of that), you might think little else of note could happen. Wrong. I just went down and unrolled it. Guess what? Mildew resistance _doesn't work_. Little blots of it (looks like a sprinkling of pepper) are all over the canvas. Now I'm pissed. Anyone have any suggestions for how to deal with this last problem? Do I have to hermetically seal the damn thing in a pressure chamber to keep it useable for more than (an estimated) three years? The personel at Panther have all been very pleasant and well-spoken, but have been generally unhelpful (besides assuring me that they've, "heard of things like this happening, but not usually to that extreme..."). At least it didn't leak... [That's next year, I'm sure.] -Iain "But it looked marvellous, I must say" Odlin ------------------------- Iain Odlin, odlin at reed.edu ------------------------- 42 Clifton Street, Portland ME 04101 Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: steve.mercer at network.com (Steve E. Mercer) Subject: Re: Pavilions (warning: contains advertisemnts) Organization: Network Systems Corporation Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:47:33 GMT A number of gentles have asked me for the address/phone number of the different companies whose period tent catalogs I requested. Here they are: Panther Primitives P.O. Box 32-mt Normantown, WV 25267 (304)-462-7718 Advertised in Tournaments Illuminated: (free) - Pavilions and Medieval tentage catalog "... You owe it to yourself to check out Panther's Medieval Tentage Catalog. It's free for the asking, so send or call for your copy today." Advertised in Panther's Medieval tentage catalog: (US$2.00) - Panther's catalog number 9 "146 pages of historical era camp items including nearly 50 pages on our famous Panther Lodges. Medieval Pavilions, French & indian War, Revolutionary War, Fur Trade Era, and the Civil War Era are all covered. A special 8 page color section shows tentage from several eras. Your $2.00 cost is refundable with your first catalog order." [Lots of good stuff in both catalogs - Justin] ====== Four Seasons Tentmasters 4221 Livesay Road Sand Creek, MI 49279 (517)-436-6245 Advertised in Tournaments Illuminated: (US$2.00) - Pavilions for use in the SCA, A Guide and Catalog "...send for our Medieval Pavilion catalog showing the variety available in true-to-period pavilions. ..." [The information in the catalog is worth the US$2.00 - Justin] ====== Tentsmiths Box 496C North Conway, NH 03860 (603)-447-2344 Advertised in Tournaments Illuminated: (US$2.00) - Tentsmiths Authentic Period Tentage Catalog "... For a catalog please send $2.00 (refundable with purchase). Satisfaction guaranteed." [Their tents appear to be well-researched, but they do not carry the exact style that I wanted. - Justin] ====== Medieval Miscellanea 6530 Spring Valley Dr. Alexandria, Virginia 22312 (703)-642-1740 Advertised in Tournaments Illuminated: (free) - Period Pavilion Flyer "... Call Coryn for details, or to receive our free pavilion flyer. Glowing references available throughout the known world. ..." [I requested their flyer months ago and still have not received it yet. - Justin] ====== If you are planning to buy a tent, I would suggest that you get information from as many different suppliers as you can, so that you can compare quality, prices, guarantees, etc. Also, talk to people who have tents and get their opinions. --- Justin Silvanus Barony of Nordskogen, Principality of Northshield, Middle Kingdom Steve Mercer steve.mercer at network.com Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: steve.mercer at network.com (Steve E. Mercer) Subject: Re: Pavilions (period or periodish) Organization: Network Systems Corporation Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 18:19:00 GMT In article 9410252145462678307 at aol.com, DonaldH465 at aol.COM writes: >Greetings to all good gentles who hear my words. > >Alas, I am afraid that my portable home has finally succumbed to one too many >wars. Hoping to improve my status, as befits my semi-noble estate, I thought >to purchase one of those pavilions that are based on period designs. I have >seen advertisements from at least two companies, Panther Lodges and >TentMasters. A couple of months ago I requested catalogs from Tentmasters, Panther, Tentsmiths, and Medieval Misc. The catalogs from Tentmasters and Panther arrived within days, Tentsmiths came about a week or two later, and I never received anything from Medieval Misc. My impressions follow: Tentmasters: Appears to be strictly SCA tents. The catalog is definitely worth the US$2.00 cost. I know several people with Tentmasters tents and they speak highly of the quality of these tents. fabric: one choice styles: mitered corner octagon, double bell wedge pavillion "french military", octagon pavillion, round pavillion, viking "long house" style pavillion, "marquees" rectangular, "marquees" oval (rounded ends) Tentsmiths: Authentic tents from SCA period and other periods. fabric: one choice styles: wall tent, awnings, tarps, diamond shelters, wedge tents, bell of arms, round end marquee (straight or slant wall), square marquee, gable end marquee tent, officer's marquee, mini pavilion, raised end faceted marquee, round pavilions, medieval double bell wedge tents, sutler wedge tent, baker tent, sibley tent, french double belled wedge, tipis, pyramid tents, viking tents, conical tent Panther: Authentic tents from SCA period and other periods. The free SCA pavilion catalog has just the SCA style tents and stuff. They also have a US$2.00 catalog loaded with all of their other tents and lots of other camping gear. Much of the larger catalog is aimed more towards rendesvous period events rather than SCA, but there's good stuff for us too. fabric: four choices, plus available red, blue, black, green, and yellow canvas styles: square marquee (rectangular), oval marquee (rounded end), round pavilion, regent pavilion (mitred corner octacon), monarch pavilion, viking tent, norman- saxon tent, french double belled wedge, wall tent, dining flys, personal pavilion, canvas shower, canvas outhouse, wedge tent, military wedges, hunters/pyramid tent, subaltern tent, british bell tent, sibley tent, civil war shelter half, civil war officer's wall tent, baker style leanto, whelan style leanto, tipis, diamond shelters It seems that panther has just about everything that the others have, and they have more sizes and more options. Prices for small tents are about the same, but large tents are significantly less expensive at Panther. Panther's catalogs contain photographs while the other's just have line drawings. In my opinion Panther appears to be a larger more professional company an I intend to purchase my pavilion from them. --- Justin Silvanus Barony of Nordskogen, Principality of Northshield, Middle Kingdom Steve Mercer steve.mercer at network.com From: folo at prairienet.org (F.L. Watkins) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavilions (warning: contains advertisemnts) Date: 8 Nov 1994 23:27:09 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana We are the satisfied users (for six years) and sales representatives (for about five years) of RK Lodges. RK offers good quality at a low price, with the only drawback being the number of styles available. Drop us a line for information; we do have a catalog of tentage appropriate for medieval reenacting. Yrs, Folo -- Damin de Folo - F.L.Watkins - folo at prairienet.org Baron Wurm Wald (MidRealm) - Commander Baldwin's (NWTA) From: PETER.GORSHKOFF at rook.wa.com (peter gorshkoff) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavilions (period or Date: Sun, 06 Nov 1994 16:51:59 GMT Organization: Knight-Line! (206) 565-0594 John Cathcart here... Ea> three different tent manufacturers, Tentmasters, Tentsmiths, and Ea> Panther. May I suggest that personal experience with a company and its Add to this list: Yesterdays Trader's here in Western Washington... Our Chapter has a rather fine Pavillion made by these folks that is about 3 years old and has been used each summer non-stop and is still holding up quite well :-) The Barony is it's third owner and plans on being it's last...We are very satisfied with it. ********************************************************************** MKA: Joel Card Barony of Blatha An Oir SCA: John Cathcart (and proud if it!) E-MAIL: sca.pierce at rook.wa.com Kingdom of An Tir *********************************************************************** From: connect at aol.com (CONNECT) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Info on period tents, please Date: 17 Mar 1995 12:22:16 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Maistre Louis-Philippe Mitouard, Caer Galen, Outlands Ben Baron, Ben_Baron at stortek.com asks about period tents. Good Sir, May I suggest you get a hold of a copy of the Tentmaster's A Guide and Catalogue of Pavilions for use in the SCA. Tentmaster's sells a variety of period tents and pavilions, but if you want to make your own, the catalogue does have some excellent tips. Tentmaster's 4221 Livesay Rd Sand Creek, MI 49279 (517) 436-6245 Yours in Service, Rosalyn MacGregor of Glen Orchy * Patricia Snyder-Rayl * (313) 973-8825 * CONNECT Magazine * (800) GET-CONNECT *Covering Commercial Online Services,* (313) 973-0411 fax * the Internet, and BBS Networks * (313) 973-9137 BBS From: DUNHAM%EUGLIB at mred.lane.EDU (PATSY DUNHAM) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Source for tent canvas Date: 8 May 1995 13:47:19 -0400 Organization: The Internet A gentle wrote in search of tent canvas, for making his own... Try a good, big art store... Last time we made a tent, we came up a little short and lo & behold, there was BIG stuff in the little art store near campus (60"), the weight was right, and the prices were amazingly comparable to the prices from the costumers' guild that we'd used to get the original mass of fabric. You don't want to sew with canvas much bigger than that anyway! Good luck, Chimene From: Garick Chamberlin Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: source of materials for period tents? Date: 14 Jun 1995 23:17:05 +0100 Organization: Myorganisation In article <676452416wnr at ogre.demon.co.uk> dervish at ogre.demon.co.uk "Pip Sullivan" writes: > I've noticed that many people make, rather than buy, tents for use at > SCA events. > > Where do you get the canvas from? > > Can you get it in different colours, or do you dye it yourselves? > > Are there sources of designs for period tents, or do you try to figure > it our as you go along? > > If I can get a source for materials and a 'pattern', I would like to > try making my own tent/pavilion/marquee (space, time, and money > allowing... :) ) Being as your here in the U.K. (this may be possible in the states too, I don't know) you could try the trick my Lady and I lucked into. The Marquee rental companies are required to stop renting marquees once the fire retardant is past date. They are still very flame retardant, they just aren't insurable. Ask around at such shops. My Lady and I got a 10' by 20' marquee top for L20 (about $34 for U.S. types). We also purchased canvas panels that the company used as parts to the *gigantic* marquees. These pieces were 10' by 24'. We cut them down to 7' by 24' and used them as walls. Total cost for all rope, wood for the poles, thread, etc, and all of the canvas was only L95 (about $155). It is a nice, large, and *very* sturdily built pavilion and it only took us a weekend to put together. Now all we have to do is decorate it. -- Viscount Sir Garick von Kopke p.s., we found out at its first event that its also quite waterproof From: VUGC52A at prodigy.com (Dana Tweedy) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Viking Tents (was SCA in NOT authentic blah blah) Date: 30 Jun 1995 05:32:22 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY I bought a Viking Tent two years ago from Tentsmiths in New Hampshire. It is 10X12 when set up. and 8' high at the ridgepole. The fabric cost about $380, and I spent about $50 on the wood for the frame. The tent is very comfortable, It stayed dry all during the monsoons at last Pennsic, when everybody else's nylon tents were flooded. It sets up easily, I can usually set It up by myself, but it goes a bit better if I can get some help. Even though modern tents are cheaper in the short run, I think a period tent more than makes up for cost in comfort and style. Karl Rasmussen of Tvede, AOA,CSC (Or, In pale, three frogs gules between two pallets engrailed Vert) From: ansteorra at eden.com (7/7/95) RE>pavilions >I would love to have the name/address/review of >the canvas merchant you mentioned, Catherine, to add to my tent-fabrics >file. Here it is for everyone, but remember, the more you order, the better price you get, so it's best if several people order together. They deal with companies, not individuals, so give them a name that sounds like a company name: Tents R Us or something, or an SCA group could order a swatch packet and then place a group order. Call and they will send you a large packet of swatches and a catalog. Once you decide what you want, call back and they will give you current prices based on the number of yards you order. One thing to watch out for: if you order say 20 yards and there's 25 on the bolt, they will send the entire bolt to you and charge you for the 5 extra yards. This is fairly common practice with wholesalers of fabric. Trident Industrial Products 8555 W. McNab RD Tamarac, FL 33321 800-327-1830 canvas, grommets, grommet setting tools, all sorts of tent and outdoor fabrics, webbing, etc. This is the firm from which Master Robyn Solarius ordered the canvas for the new(er) Bryn Gwlad pavilion and Conor and I order the canvas for our big blue and grey pavilion from them, too. Just for your information, we sewed regular, untreated canvas on my home Singer (it's called heavy duty, but you know how that goes) with no problem. If you get the waterproofed canvas, you will need a metal-parts machine, as someone else suggested (for you Stefan, I know this is no problem). Once again, start small! We had to completely rearranged the house and lived with this huge tent top in our living room for several weeks--although it actually only took one weekend for me to put the top together. A 10x10 shade top is a good starter project. If you put in a reinforced strip wide enough for grommets between the top and the dagging, you can always add sides later. >I also recommend that large pavillions be made with detachable walls. >This allows the tent to be stored in seperate bags or boxes. Yes, definitely make detachable sides. >Stefan li Rous >Barony of Bryn Gwlad >markh at risc.sps.mot.com Catherine Nan Bradford-Reid The Department of English The University of Texas 512-471-4991 n.b-reid at mail.utexas.edu From: oldsma at clark.net (Manny Olds) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,soc.history.medieval Subject: Re: Plans/blueprints for tents wanted Date: 12 Mar 1996 17:41:26 GMT Organization: Persiflage Press giacanelli at tovx01.to.infn.it wrote: : They want to participate to some Live-action role playing game or a medieval : history convention and they need to build some medieval tents or marquees. : : They know _how_ to do it and _what_ to use for that but they need drawings : of tents parts or, even better, detailed plans or blueprints. I just found a web page that has some diagrams. It is the online catalog for Panther Pavilions, a company that sells these tents--perhaps they could tell you more: http://www.indirect.com/www/chivalry/p-17.html The whole site seems to devoted to companies that sell "authentic" medieval stuff. I have also owned (and misplaced) a catalog from a US company called Tentsmiths, that makes authentic tents for many different eras and which will make custom tents to any plan you can document as authentic. I will try to dig out their contact information. Manny Olds in Berwyn Heights, Maryland USA From: "Dana J. Tweedy" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavillions Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:21:13 -0700 Chantal Pecourt wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone could tell me their opinion on the > following subject. If one compares Tent Masters, Tent Smiths and Panther > Pavilions, which one has the better quality pavillions and why? > Any insight into this matter would be greatly appreciated as we > are trying to choose a pavilion for Pennsic > > Aleyse I can't really say which of these companies is best, I have a Viking tent from Tentsmiths, and I am very pleased with it. However if you haven't already ordered your tent it is probably too late for this Pennsic. My tent took about three months from order to delivery. Karl Rasmussen of Tvede From: holsten at nature.berkeley.edu (Donna Holsten) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavillions Date: 18 Jun 1996 18:01:38 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Chantal Pecourt wrote: > I was wondering if anyone could tell me their opinion on the >following subject. If one compares Tent Masters, Tent Smiths and Panther >Pavilions, which one has the better quality pavillions and why? I don't know anything about Tent Smiths. A couple of Estrellas ago, during a Very Windy and Stormy night (go figure, at Estrella...), the only pavilions left standing were the Tent Masters. And, at a recent Very Windy Pavilion-kite-flying event in the West, a 25 foot Eucalyptus branch (which took about 8 men to move) fell onto a Panther pavilion, and the pavilion didn't even blink. Seems like both types are pretty well constructed... Joanna From: dyanthrall at aol.com (DyanThrall) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavillions Date: 20 Jun 1996 10:04:16 -0400 > I was wondering if anyone could tell me their opinion on the >following subject. If one compares Tent Masters, Tent Smiths and Panther >Pavilions, which one has the better quality pavillions and why? I have a 22 x 15 Tent masters. It is a great pavilion. It has never leaked, It has held through terrible storms, I have been able to get spare parts easily and quickly. I have been very pleased. What I really liked about it was, that it came in a box with all the pieces and clear instructions. I didn't need an engineering degree to put it up, and I didn't have to supply anything at all. They are pricey though. I have a friend with a Panther and he is as giddy about his Pavillion as I am about mine, but his giddy cost about $500 less. Nothing beats canvas in a storm. Dyan From: caradoc at neta.com (John Groseclose) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavillions Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:24:26 -0700 holsten at nature.berkeley.edu (Donna Holsten) wrote: > I don't know anything about Tent Smiths. A couple of Estrellas ago, > during a Very Windy and Stormy night (go figure, at Estrella...), the > only pavilions left standing were the Tent Masters. And, at a recent > Very Windy Pavilion-kite-flying event in the West, a 25 foot Eucalyptus > branch (which took about 8 men to move) fell onto a Panther pavilion, > and the pavilion didn't even blink. Seems like both types are pretty > well constructed... I was there... that's when I decided I wanted a TentMasters pavilion. Two years later, after a windfall (someone decided to try and screw me out of workman's wages... double penalty in AZ!) I bought one. It's seen three Estrellas and a number of smaller events, and is currently in need of a washing/cleaning. Handy tip: unless you've got a truck or Suburban to haul the thing around in, get the sectioned poles. The perimeter poles for a 15' mitred corner pavilion are 9' long. The center pole is 11' (comes sectioned automatically). Weighs about 110#, without a shade fly. I loaned it to a household member for last Estrella, and he says he's GOT to get one. Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavillions From: una at bregeuf.stonemarche.org (Honour Horne-Jaruk) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 12:04:06 EDT Chantal Pecourt writes: > I was wondering if anyone could tell me their opinion on the > following subject. If one compares Tent Masters, Tent Smiths and Panther > Pavilions, which one has the better quality pavillions and why? > Any insight into this matter would be greatly appreciated as we > are trying to choose a pavilion for Pennsic > > Aleyse Respected friend: Based on my own experience _Only_ : Tentmasters has the widest range of standard designs, and thus, on anything absolutely standard, the best reponse time. Custom stuff from them is dicey- but they will keep fixing it till it's right, even if that's three years and twenty phone calls later. Tentsmiths is ace on custom orders, has fewer layers of bureaucracy, and charges less. They have fewer pre-mades and thus can't do as wide a range of rush orders. They're amazingly courteous and very devoted to quality. Panther does colors, and thus has the closest to anything even marginally historically accurate for the medieval/renaissance eras. can't comment on response time or custom quality, since I haven't bought from them yet. Medieval Miscellania, which you didn't mention but they advertise in TI, does the prettiest-from-a-distance, and lightest, tents. From closer than 40 feet distance, however, it's pretty obvious these are synthetic fabrics with coal-tar colors. The lightness is partly caused by the metal-pipe frame, so they feel even less real from the inside. As always, other people's milage may vary. My off-the-cuff opinion is to check Panther first, if you want colors. If you live in an area where mildew is endemic, don't forget that synthetics mildew too- make sure the fabric's treated for that. Good luck. Alizaunde, Demoiselle de Bregeuf (Friend) Honour Horne-Jaruk, R.S.F. From: celtic at sover.net (Stuart Joseph) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavillions Date: 2 Jul 1996 19:51:59 GMT Organization: Celtic Cultures > Based on my own experience _Only_ : >Panther does colors, and thus has the closest to anything even marginally >historically accurate for the medieval/renaissance eras. can't comment on >response time or custom quality, since I haven't bought from them yet. Greetings! We sell Panther Pavilions and really believe in their product and customer service, if we didn't, we wouldn't be selling them. We decided on Panther after talking to lots of people who have their pavilions and they all were greatly satisfied. We personally own 3 of their tents: an 18' X 20' marquee that we use for merchanting; a French double bell wedge for sleeping (it is easy to set-up and we use it for weekend events when our Tentmaster tent is too much to set-up), and a baker tent that we use for a cook tent and for civil war events. The quality on the tents is extrememly high and they come with a 30 day no questions asked money-back guarentee and a five year warranty on the tent. Our tents are made from Sunforger canvas that is pre-shrunk and mildew resistant, the cook tent also is flame retardent (for obvious reasons!:-D), in any case, Panther (and I agree) does not recommend buying a regular canvas tent since it can shrink up to 15%- it is also liable to mildew. The Panther prices are lower than Tentsmith and you have the option of making your own poles or getting the set-up package from them. Panther has a commitment to customer satisfaction that is very impressive- any problems (they were minor) that came up with our tents or our customers tents were handled expeditiously and they checked to be sure that the problem was handled. Whatever pavilion you decide to go with, remember that a period style and material is more comfortable than a nylon tent, don't cost much more, not much harder to set-up, and they look great- lending a wonderful air to whatever event you attend. In order to encourage people to get a period pavilion, we are offering a discount on Panther Pavillions. Laird Steuart Martin Mac Donald (mka Stuart Joseph) Celtic Cultures www.sover.net From: deewolff at aol.com (DeeWolff) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavillions Date: 2 Jul 1996 21:03:26 -0400 We too own a Panther tent . We have had it for one year and still sing their praises. They are the least expensive. are very easy to put up (2 people/20 minutes) and they stand behind their product 100%. We ordered it in May 1995 and had it within 3 weeks (I hear it may take longer the closer it is to Pennsic) Happy Pavillion shopping !!! Andrea MacIntire Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: rubyshoe at world.std.com (Bill Whitley) Subject: Re: Pavilion hunting: advice appreciated! Organization: Ruby Shoes Studio Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:40:57 GMT My Lady and I swear by (but not at) Tentmasters. They have a very good product, excellent production values, and good advice. They also have a model with an interior wooden frame construction, if that is one of your criteria. Talk with them by phone, their ad is in TI (and they will be at Pennsic, as usual). Ask for their catalog. They are not inexpensive, but I feel you will get what you pay for. toshi From: mjc at telerama.lm.com (Monica Cellio) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Pavilion hunting: advice appreciated! Date: 25 Jul 1996 11:42:33 -0400 Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA USA Something like 8 years ago I bought a pavillion from RKE Lodges, who were in Minnesota or perhaps Montana (sorry) at tthe time. I no longer have contact information. However, the pavillion was very well-made, was delivered on time, was already seam-sealed, and was a small-scale custom order that many places probably wouldn't bother with. I had to make my own poles, but that wasn't a big deal. If you run into these folks, definitely take a look. Ellisif http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mjc/ellisif.html Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: rubyshoe at world.std.com (Bill Whitley) Subject: Re: Pavilion hunting: advice appreciated! Organization: Ruby Shoes Studio Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:40:57 GMT My Lady and I swear by (but not at) Tentmasters. They have a very good product, excellent production values, and good advice. They also have a model with an interior wooden frame construction, if that is one of your criteria. Talk with them by phone, their ad is in TI (and they will be at Pennsic, as usual). Ask for their catalog. They are not inexpensive, but I feel you will get what you pay for. toshi From: Ingerith of Egilsey Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: More onPeriod Tents Date: 23 Aug 1996 18:21:32 -0700 Well, my lord & I have had a Tentmasters oval pavilion for 4 years now, and we are very satisfied with it. It was dry and comfortable during the Pennsic a couple years back that was so wet, and has held firm during the rarer storms on other years. Tentmasters is about 15 miles from our house, so we drove down and picked out our pavillion on site, and picked it up when it was made. Wilhelm of Brennan was recovering from a stroke at the time, but gave us good advice on setting it up, and his lady gave hints on painting it, with free canvas samples to practice on. It was a very enjoyable experience, but of course not everyone can pick one up in person. As far as set up, ours is 13x19 oval, with two 2 piece 13 foot center poles, and a 6 ft ridge pole. My lord and I can set it up in 20 minutes, with only one extra set of hands when raising the center poles and tightening the guy lines. You set up the high-wind lines as guy lines at first, then the center poles are stable and you can put in the side poles at your leisure. We use ours at Pennsic, usually at one other camping event per year, and we use the top canopy only at my parents annual lobster boil. 3 picnic tables fit under it comfortably. So much for my experience . . . next? Ingerith of Egilsey/ Julie Johnson From cat at va.pubnix.com Wed Aug 28 12:57:26 1996 Date: 23 Aug 1996 12:57:44 -0400 From: Cat Stanton To: sca at mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: More on Period Tents Our camp had four Panther pavilions during this Pennsic. All of them held up very well during the Thursday night storm. The largest one had a few stake integrity problems, but those were easily taken care of, and it housed the dozen people in the camp at the time quite comfortably. We suspected that the few problems the largest pavilion had were just due to it's sheer size (18' x 24' I think) as the slightly smaller pavilions were solid as a rock during the rain and wind gusts. The next morning, as I was waking up, we heard some folks walking by our camp discussing damage to other encampments and merchants. One spoke of how a pole in the center of a merchant's tent just snapped. The other one said, as he was right outside our tent, "These are Panther pavilions. I've never seen one of them go down in a storm yet." Nope, don't work for Panther and have no affiliation with them. I was just impressed by the quality of their pavilions (being as this was my first Pennsic and I'd never even really "camped" before...). Cat Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: orilee ireland-delfs Subject: Re: More onPeriod Tents Organization: Xerox Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:02:02 GMT We bought a Panther Primitives 16x18 marquis (rectangluar with straight walls and blue trim on the rain flap) this year - our dream realized. After camping for years in canvas/nylon tents, I was amazed at the space and the coolness of the pavilion. It takes about half an hour to put up (although I've never really timed it) with 4 people. We've never tried it with just the two of us and I don't think the two of us could get the center poles up without help. We purchased it because several friends have the same or similar pavilions from Panther and we were really impressed by them. My real likes - no zippers to break, no "lip" of tent to have to step over to get in or out, roomy - we divide ours into rooms for us and the girls (we have two daughters) and a common room, and it weathered the thunderstorm at Pennsic with no problems (our old tent had stretched enough that rain had a tendancy to puddle on the roof - which meant someone had to watch it every minute, day or night). It packs into 4 Rubbermaid trunks - 2 trunks for the walls and ropes, 1 big trunk for the roof, and one trunk for the tarps, interior walls, etc. It all fits very nicely tied to the top of the van and leaves space inside for everything else. Orianna (& Fridrikr) AEthelmearc, East From: ANGUS Organization: Gorilla Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: More onPeriod Tents Date: 2 Sep 96 03:57:46 GMT >How do I get in touch with Panther Primitives? Can someone give me their address? > >Mara/Corbie Panther Primatives P.O. BOX 32-MT Normantown, WV. 25267 (304) 462-7718 Angus.... Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: Steven Boley Subject: Re: Question about Period Equipment Organization: US&S Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:50:14 GMT Try A Gather in Time. They do great tents. My tent is very peiod looking and withstood the Monsoon of Pennsic 25 with little water getting inside. I wouldn't think Bryanna would mind me posting this for her. And since she rents tents, I'm sure she has used ones. Cal 412-258-2172 SCA Name: Bryanna Mundane: Jody Boyd -- DeinBruder Alaric Von Konigsberg From: Jane Massey Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re:Tents Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 23:48:56 -0500 I know of two sites you might to check out. Tentsmiths at htt://www.wilmont.unh.edu/~njcross/tentsmiths/tents.html or Multitak (which has links to several tent companies http://www.cm-net/exhibit/supp/72/index.html ---Lavender From: David.Calafrancesco at drakkar.mhv.net (David Calafrancesco) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Tent/Pavilion material available Date: 08 Mar 97 02:56:38 GMT q1001001 at aol.com wrote in a message to All: >My current pavilion (17 x 17 mitered square) is made of cotton canvas >because I could get it for about $4 or $5 a yard in 60 inch width. > I have recently found a source for hemp canvas > and wondered if any of you have used this and > can compare it to the alternatives. I'm told > that hemp naturally resists mildew. Is anyone > able to speak from experience regarding the > accuracy of this claim? qa> I now have access to a 45% polyester, 55% cotton that is qa> Water repellent, Mildew resistant, fire retardant( meets 3 qa> CSFM levels: NFPA-701, CPAI-84, and FMVSS-302 ) and comes in qa> the color of your choosing. It is currently about $10 per qa> yard, but at higher yardages, the price is negotiable. qa> There are many different fabrics available, and they are all qa> different prices. When I purchased the canvas for my yurt two pennsics ago, I was able to locate a 100% cotton army duck, sunforger marine boat shrunk with FMVSS-302 (possibly the others) for circa $2.50 per yard for 54" wide. I have enough left that my current project will be a smaller weekend pavilion. The source was ITEX and you can email me for a contact phone number. 100% cotton (and the yurt design) allowed me to sleep in the yurt till after 2 in the afternoon during pennsic 24. Haraldr Bassi, Frosted Hills, East haraldr at drakkar.mhv.net Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2 dave at drakkar.mhv.net |Fidonet: David Calafrancesco 1:2624/306 |Internet: David.Calafrancesco at drakkar.mhv.net Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 17:55:57 -0600 (MDT) From: John or Fraya Davis To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: tent canvas source? >Where do I go to get tent canvas, fireproofed, 60" wide, 32 yards? What am >I looking for in terms of weight etc? What's a good price? > >Henry, Innocent of Sewing machines and Their Ilk I'm working on a fabric co-op to help keep fabric costs down. Canvas is one I'm looking into. Check out our website: http://www.angelfire.com/biz/gameroom/fabric.html I'll put you on our mailing list. In service and friendship, Gillean Fhlaithmhail (gil-yawn lah-hool) MOAS/Chronicler for the Incipient Shire of Ard Ruadh (St. George, Utah) of Artemisia Subject: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 21:19:07 -0600 From: "Steve Nolan" To: "Stefan li Rous" Spinning winds pavilions. We make the best quality of tents with many choices of colors, materials, sizes, shapes and accessories to choose from. We are not a cookie cutter company are gold is to do service and color the known world with beautifully colored tents with out all of the extra cost. Are prices are as flat as that can be. Tents shouldn't cost an arm and a leg that's what battle's are for! Call me for a quote 409-899-1488, e-mail marguerite at tex-is.net, or my web site is www.spinningwinds.com Lady Marguerite des Fleur _____________________________________________ Spinning Winds Pavilions and Tents www.spinningwinds.com Marguerite at tex-is.net Subject: BG - Period Pavilions Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 23:10:56 MST From: "Jason Brashear" To: From: Carey >Pug Bainter wrote: >> >> Dottie Elliott said something that sounded like: >> >>>1) The pavilions for gate, children's activities, etc. The children's >> >>> should be larger than 10'x10'. They should all have sides. I rather >> >>> like the idea of period pavilions. >> >>So who's willing to do some research into period pavilion construction and >> >>costs? >> >snip > > Jason and Hilery are distributors for a tent (including period) >manufactures...........didn't anyone know that.... > > Key Connor Yes, my husband and I are distributors for "Tentsmiths" although it does not affect the cost to buy it through us. Jason and I purchased our tent not long before we became involved with Bryn Gwlad simply because we love to camp and we are both fascinated by things of the renaissance time period. Knowing that a period pavillion would be pricey we did allot of research on them to assure that we would not regret such a whimsical splurge. We are very pleased with our tent and highly recommend Tentsmiths to anyone looking to buy a pavillion. Tentsmiths makes several different varieties of tents imitating those from the 1200's to the 19th century. There are three, I think, that would best suit the baronies' needs; the Medieval Double Belled Wedge Tent, the Round End Marquee and the Rectangular Marquee. The Medieval Double Belled Wedge Tent is found in many medieval paintings and sketches. The door is in the center of the body offering much useable floor space while taking up no extra area for guy lines. Their triangular cross section makes them strong against fierce weather. This tent only needs 2 vertical poles and one ridge pole making it easy to transport. The largest size available is 12' in width, 23' in length and 10' in height and cost $645 with the fire resistant treatment. The smallest is 10'x16'x8". With the fire resistance it runs $430. Our favorite is the round end marquee. It is an absolutely beautiful tent. The owners of Tentsmiths studied marquees in museums before coming out with this one. Wooden toggles are used to attach the walls and canvas loops are used instead of grommets. This makes it easier to repair without loosing strength. The design of the Round End Marquee was originated to maximize space while at the same time making the transportable baggage as little as possible. Only two vertical poles and a ridge pole are needed. The steeply sloped roof allows rain to drain quickly, and the tent to withstand tremendous wind loads. Tall walls with a shallow roof pitch(as found in rectangular tents with flattened roofs) gives the tent an airplane effect. When the wind blows, lift is created, raising the tent off of it's poles and becomes very dangerous. There are many variations, such as awnings, that can be added to this design . We have a Round End Marquee ourselves, so feel free to take a look the next time we have it up. It is white with a green-edged castle dagging. The largest one available 18' by 30' with a 6' wall height for $1,875 with the fire resistant treatment. The smallest one is 10' wide and 15'long with a wall height of 5'6". With the fire resistant treatment it is $880 Rectangular Marquees can be found in historical sketches from the Roman times throughout the Medieval era and into the 19th century. Everyone pretty much knows what they look like; big and square with perimeter poles. Tentsmiths' rectangular marquees have steep roofs to protect against the weather. They offer a great amount of usable floor space for furniture and the walls can be lifted like awnings to provide shade. Allot of customizing can be done to this one to suit the needs of the barony. The biggest one is 19'8 by 27'2" with a 7 foot wall height and a 5 foot roof rise for $2,495 with the fire resistant treatment. The smallest one without being too small according to you is 11'3"x14' with a 6' wall height and a 4' roof rise for $850 (fire resistant). Tentsmiths uses 10.38 ounce Army Duck Canvas which is a very tightly woven, high thread count fabric. The canvas is preshrunk and finished with Sunforger so that it is a mildew resistant, water repellent medium. Touching the tent while it is wet will not cause the tent to leak. Tentsmiths also offers their tents in a flame resistant finish. It doesn't make it fire proof, but does provide a margin of safety. The tents have double sewn, flat-felled seams, and all of the seams, reinforcements, and edges are finished. The doors overlap 6 inches and tie inside and out. Mud flaps, historically called sod flaps or "rot cloths" are standard on all tents and are double hemmed on all sides and sewn to the inside of the bottom of the walls. This makes the tent close to the ground and weather tight. The result is an extremely sturdy, long lasting tent that can easily handle tough weather. Our tent has been through a few storms in the short time that we have owned it and has held beautifully. In addition all Tentsmiths tents are warrenteed to the original purchaser. If, when you receive the tent or set up the tent, it is not what you expected, Tentsmiths will take it back no questions asked. They will refund your payment or build you a new, more suitable tent, at your option. The Sunforger treated fabric is warranteed for three years, the seams and stitching for five. Tentsmiths has done repair work on seventeen year old tents that were cared for by their owners, for free-and always will. Well hopefully I have given you some good information to think about. Let Me and Jason know if you are interested. I will be at fighter practice with a catalog. Hilary Brashear From: DDFr at best.com (David Friedman) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Canvas Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 09:24:54 -0800 Organization: Santa Clara University Dragon wrote: >James Morrow wrote: > Is there a place on the Internet to Order inexpensive Canvas? I > want to make a Tent for Events. I ordered some canvas from Itex: 800 525 7058. The price was pretty reasonable, and it looks very good--tightly woven cotton canvas, flameproof and water resistant. They are familiar with the SCA. David/Cariadoc -- David Friedman DDFr at Best.com http://www.best.com/~ddfr/ Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:18:00 -0500 From: blues Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Canvas James Morrow wrote: > Is there a place on the Internet to Order inexpensive Canvas? I want to > make a Tent for Events. > > Achbar Jas. Townsend & Sons sells canvas, and as I recall the prices weren't too bad. http://www.jastown.com/ Gunnbjorn Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:32:32 MST From: "Trish Kvamme" Subject: ANST - pavilion flying and other summer sports To: Ansteorra at ansteorra.org I just wanted to take a moment here to brag on my newest apprentice Lady Marguerite of Spinning Winds Pavillions. After the WeatherLord storm this weekend, all of the tents she has made on site were still standing, and everything inside the ones in my camp were dry. I am proud of you girl! Larissa From: Bill Schongar Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Tentsmith Pavillions - Good, Bad, or Ugly? Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:55:26 -0400 Jack wrote: > Anyone have first hand experience with a Tentsmiths pavillion? Have a double-bell wedge from Tentsmiths, no complaints whatsoever. The seams are well-sewn, it sets up easily, and it came well before the scheduled delivery date. If we end up buying a second, smaller tent, it'll be from Tentsmiths as well. -Liam From: "tweedyd" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Tentsmith Pavillions - Good, Bad, or Ugly? Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:22:51 -0400 Jack wrote > I'm purchasing a pavillion from either Tentmasters, Panther, or Tentsmiths. > I've seen the first two manufacturers' product but don't know much about the > latter. Anyone have first hand experience with a Tentsmiths pavillion? > > Jack I have had a Viking Wedge tent from Tentsmith's for the last 7 years. I has held up very well, and It still looks nearly new. I would give Tentsmith's a hearty recommendation, and feel they do a good job for a reasonable price. Karl Rasmussen of Tvede, AOA, CSC, QOC, Master Chirurgeon. From: "Elise A. Fleming" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Tentsmith Pavillions - Good, Bad, or Ugly? Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 08:07:48 -0400 > I'm purchasing a pavillion from either Tentmasters, Panther, or Tentsmiths. > I've seen the first two manufacturers' product but don't know much about the > latter. ANyone have first hand experience with a Tentsmiths pavillion? I've owned two. They are well made, don't leak, the folk are friendly and helpful. I'm particularly fond of the quality. Where one tent edge meets another, they've provided plenty of overlap. Go for it! :-) Alys Katharine Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: whitleys at world.std.com (Bill Whitley) Subject: Re: Tentsmith Pavillions - Good, Bad, or Ugly? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:41:42 GMT > Jack wrote in message > I'm purchasing a pavillion from either Tentmasters, Panther, or Tentsmiths. > I've seen the first two manufacturers' product but don't know much abou the > latter. ANyone have first hand experience with a Tentsmiths pavillion? We own a Tentmasters oval and a Tentsmiths wedge. I'd *strongly* recommend either manufacturer. I'd buy from either one again in a heartbeat. I believe their quality and attention to detail are uniformly excellent, but I think you might get slightly more personal service from Tentsmiths... toshi From: "Michael Carroll" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Tentsmith Pavillions - Good, Bad, or Ugly? Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:56:31 GMT I own a Tentmasters oval marquee and a Panther rectangular marquee. The Tentmasters pavillion is far superior. I also have had some experience with a large order of Panther pavillions purchased by a friend of mine, and though the pavillions themselves are of a standard level of quality...the pole packages were (if not for the great expense) laughably inferior. I would HIGHLY recommend that, if you select Panther, be very careful about purchasing their setup kit. Michael From: "Anastacia" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Tents and Storms Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:32:31 -0700 Greetings From Anastacia's Garb and Pavilions. Grand Opening prices on pavilion of all sizes just in time for the camping season. (And now is the time to order 12th Night clothing, great prices for Quality work Made to Measure.) I have been making DarkClaw Pavilions (named as such for my household) for 10 yrs. and just finished number 90. I have never had one come down in the high wind or leak in a rain storm. Many have traveled to 30 Yr Celebration, Pennsic and withstood the high winds of our California Coast . They are being lived in in 7 Kingdoms and are based on period patterns. My prices include: Pavilion roof, with your choice of 6 colors for the drip ring; Walls, these attach to the roof with S hooks and have 'twill tape' ties to drop them to the half way point; Matching attachable awning, Set-up Kit ; includes all poles, ropes, rope flags, 12 in. stakes and heavy washers and a hammer in a canvas bag for storage. 750$ -- a 15 ft. Round; Eight - 6 ft. side poles, Two - 5.5 ft awning poles, one 10 ft. center pole) 950$ -- a 21 ft by 15 ft. marquee style; Ten 6 ft. side poles, Two 5.5 Ft awning poles; two 10 ft. center poles) 1050$ -- a 27 ft by 15 ft marquee style; Ten 6 ft. side poles, Two 5.5 Ft awning poles; two 10 ft. center poles) 950$ -- 15 ft. square; Twelve 6ft. side poles; three 5.5 ft awning poles. 1 11' center pole. 1150$ -- 21 by 15 rectangle; Fourteen 6ft. side poles; three 5.5 ft awning poles. Two 11 Ft. center poles. No ridge poles are needed. Center poles are split, with a metal splicing band attached to the 6 ft piece. Please allow 4 - 6 weeks for delivery of you new home. Payment plans available but I can not accept credit cards. I fully guarantee my work and know that you will spend many years enjoying your DarkClaw Pavilion. Prices do not include shipping and handling. Anastacia's Garb and Pavilions e-mail me at anastacia at mail.lanset.com or call (916)728-1066 . From: "j'lynn yeates" To: Subject: BG - materials ... addendum Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:30:50 -0500 for the individual seeking a source of nylon's (presumably for tentage) ... i knew i had this link stashed somewhere (have used them for similar material needss before ... online catalog, direct ship to door, accepts ccards, wide selection of fabrics and other tent & tarp components) http://www.wyeastfabrics.com/ check em out for your tech material needs ... reminds me, need to order some more insect netting for next season 'wolf From: "C.R.Daniels, Inc. - Contracts" To: Subject: tent canvas Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:41:39 -0400 Mr. Harris: I represent a company in Maryland called C.R. Daniels, Inc. I am also working this autumn at the Maryland Renaissance Festival. My company sells canvas in several different weights, from 7 ounce to 30 ounce in varying widths, and all of our colored canvas (available in 10 ounce, 15 ounce and 18 ounce) come with a light water, fire and mildew resistant finish. We have had several customers use our goods for tents and pavilions, and we price per customer, so that if someone buys 200 yards, they will pay less than someone who is buying 10 yards. This is ideal for those buying tents, but I also felt that if a few SCA members got together to purchase 50 yards or so to get the discount and split it for use in making clothing, bags, covers for modern items (like food coolers and trashcans), or for making bedrolls, it would be a chance to buy wholesale at a fair price with attentive service. I would be happy to speak to anyone who wants pricing, information, or samples of our goods. Please feel free to share my name and number with anyone you think may be interested. Thank you for your time! Cordially, Danielle Lyon C.R. Daniels, Inc. 1-800-933-2638 ext.2463# www.crdaniels.com fabric at crdaniels.com From: David Friedman Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: now canvas (was Re: tent/pavilion question) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:57:23 GMT ekscholar at aol.com (EKScholar) wrote: > I've decided on a design, now to look for a source for canvas. I've been told > the best to get is Sunforger and I've been able to find it, but the prices > (hamiltondrygoods.com and jastown.com) vary widely, from $4/yd to $7/yd for > the ~1 yard width stuff to $6/yd for 58" wide. > > Which width is better? You should try Itex (800 525-7058), which is likely to give you a better price than that, provided they have a roll of an appropriate length. I used the 58" width for my pavillion, since it substantially reduces the amount of sewing to be done. -- David/Cariadoc http://www.best.com/~ddfr/Medieval/Medieval.html Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:00:40 -0400 From: rmhowe To: "Tanya Guptill - Historical Tents." , "- Stephan's Florilegium" Subject: [Fwd: [MR] New tent merchant] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [MR] New tent merchant Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:30:16 -0500 From: thurman To: Merry Rose Greetings Gentles all, First, if you will, the standard disclaimer. I have no vested interest in the merchants mentioned here, and patronizing them will result in no monetary gain to myself. I have searching the net of late for a new (period) tent. One of the sites I happened to find was Tents by Nizam. Nizam has been in the tent business in Pakistan since 1869. They have now teamed up with Reliable Tents of Billings MT, to market tents on our shores. I would appreciate it if anyone could offer any personal experience with the products of either Nizam or Reliable. I have included a link to Nizam's site showing their current Medieval offerings. I am particularly interested in hearing opinions on the tents labeled "Medieval Type II", and "Pyramid Tent". They are somewhat different than what I have seen before, having to my eye a distinct middle eastern flavor. The link to Nizam is, http://www.nizamcanvas.com/med.htm , and Reliable can be found at http://www.reliabletent.com/ . I emailed Nizam for details and got a nice mail back from them, plus a personal call from Reliable. They are very interested in marketing to the SCA, and are currently looking at establishing themselves at Pennsic. Nizam told me that they are readying a container for shipment early in the summer, and will include medieval offerings if the interest is there. If anyone would like any more detail of my correspondence, just email me and I'll respond privately. Thorfinn From: Mitch Utsey [mutsey at redsword.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:27 AM To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fabric source I worked as a tent maker for a couple of years. Both companies used the same supplier: Astrup. I strongly recommend using a marine boat shrunk canvas like Sunforger. Astrup's website is : http://www.astrup.com/ They are pretty good folks to work with, and most are quite knowledgeable. For a Medieval pavilion, I'd avoid most of their Tent and Shelter Fabric, as they are not really meant for the game that we play... If you don't have a good, strong industrial sewing machine, you might see about renting one. You can REALLY trash a home unit with just a part of a pavilion... housedragonstar wrote: > I have been toying with the idea of making a new tent. Along those lines, I > think that I have found a potential source for some really cheap canvas. > > Before I get my hopes up and organize a purchase for myself and others, I > would like to know if anyone else has had dealings with this company in the > past. > > It is Magna Fabrics in New Jersey. Their web site is at > http://www.magnafabrics.com. > > Medb Liath From: Jhan Knebel Date: May 6, 2004 8:40:01 PM CDT To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org, ansteorra at ansteorra.org Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Comments and suggestions requested We have and 18 X 24 oval Marquee from Panther, and love it! It has a 9 foot ridge pole, which is a little large for most people, but it gives us more room in the center of the pavillion for entertaining. Tomas can set it up by himself (no help whatsoever) in 3 hours (that's with all the poles and stakes). Three people set it up at Crown tourney in 45 minutes in the dark. Their warranty policy is wonderful as well. We only had to pay for the shipping after someone backed over one of the 18 inch Panther stakes at Bordermarch Baronial and caused the pavillion to tear. (Pay for seam engineering, it's worth it.) A good company that is good to deal with. Rixende <-----Original Message-----> With the permission of my Seneschal, I am posting this request here. My Shire is looking at getting a new pavilion and are currently looking at a 15' X 24' or a 15' X 27' oval marquee pavilions from both Tentsmiths and Panther Pavilions. If anyone has a pavilion from either of these companies or any other company, please send me your comments or suggestions. Domhnall Dubh O'Ruairc Herald Shire of Loch Ruadh From: Keith Jefferson Date: May 6, 2004 9:23:30 PM CDT To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Comments and suggestions requested Ok I did a lot of research on the pavilion issue. I checked the thread count, the engineering and the sizes. I found that Tent masters did the best job for what my canton needed. The canton of Dragons Fire Tor bought a 15x 30. It's oval and the largest size oval they make and we love it. When you check the thread count make sure that the count is equal 40x40. This keeps stretching down. Most tent manufacturing companies use 20x40 thread count. The only draw back is the tent is white but has lovely trim they put on. They can come with out walls or poles. (They charge WAY too much for poles) The price for poles should be about $6-7 each for the perimeter poles and about 35-40 for center poles. But that's another topic and if you want more information please feels free to contact me. Oh and I forgot that ours is 7 feet tall at the perimeter . They even extended the wall for a small charge to match the taller tent. Lord Guyon Dupre Btw here is their small web site. If you want their catalog they will send you one. http://www.geocities.com/tentmasters From: gltoh Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Comments and suggestions requested Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 00:21:04 GMT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Steve K. Rourke wrote: > With the permission of my Seneschal, I am posting this request here. > > My Shire is looking at getting a new pavilion and are currently looking at a > 15' X 24' or a 15' X 27' oval marquee pavilions from both Tentsmiths and > Panther Pavilions. > > If anyone has a pavilion from either of these companies or any other > company, please send me your comments or suggestions. > > Thank you > > Domhnall Dubh O'Ruairc > Herald Shire of Loch Ruadh > Kingdom of Ansteorra I have owned a pavilion from Panther Primitives for what is going on 3 years now. It has not only been serving me well, but has withstood some fairly intense weather conditions. In harsh storms, it has remained flood free, bone dry inside, in fact. Gusty winds have failed to do more than make the pavilion's canvas walls bellows a bit. Overall, it has been a worthwhile purchase, and I can highly recommend purchasing a pavilion from Panther Prmitives. Ciaran Barony of Carillion East Kingdom From: bookshop at charter.net (medievalbooks) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Comments and suggestions requested Date: 7 May 2004 04:09:15 -0700 I have a 12 by 12 from Tentmasters and love it to death. Think this will be its 4th or 5th Pennsic and it still looks the same as it did when I first bought it. It is nice and dry inside, breathes well. The prices quoted includes the poles, ropes, stakes. While a bit more expensive than Panther, I feel it is better quality (no offense Panther folks - there are some nice Panther pavilions out there as well). If I ever upgrade, it will again be with Tentmasters. My suggestion is to get sales material from both Tentmasters and Panthers and make your decision that way. Think one also has styles of pavilion that the other one doesn't. Gwyneth ui ingean Mathghamhna The Haunted Bookshop From: "Dana Tweedy" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Tents from Tentsmiths Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:38:59 GMT I have a Tentsmith's Viking Wedge tent. I have to say I'm very pleased with the tent. I've had it for 12 years, and it's been through 13 Pennsic Wars. It's still in great shape, and looks almost new. I'd recommend Tentsmiths to anyone. Karl Rasmussen of Tvede (no, I don't work for Tentsmiths either) From: Randy Nicholson Date: September 17, 2006 1:35:16 PM CDT To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Period Tents was telling was is not period On Period Tents - I have discovered that after 12 Gulf Wars and 20+ years in the SCA in 4 kingdoms that I have spent more on nylon tents than the latest period tent I just purchased. It seemed that after every two or so Gulf Wars that I had to replace my nylon tent due to the weather tearing it up. This recent period tent that I just purchased, compared to the money I've spent over the years in nylon, is way cheaper. For about the cost of a really good family sized nylon tent I can have a canvas tent that takes me and one other person to put up in about 30 minutes. I have found that I enjoy my game much more so now, I have a lot more room, and I'm not worried about the canvas getting ripped up like the nylon ones do. Here is a link for the place where I bought my tent. His prices are so good that you have to keep checking back for in stock items. But let me tell you, this guys' customer service has been excellent, the quality is great (for the price) and the items are shipped very, very quickly. http://www.midwesttent.com/catalog/ There have been a lot of us in Rhoadd that have purchased these tents so I'm sure I'm not the only one that would give this merchant a good recommendation. Ld. Robert de Bray From: medicfem at aol.com Date: March 3, 2007 7:46:26 PM CST To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Opinions about tent Randy Nicholson wrote: << For about the same price you could buy a period tent (I know you said that you didn't want a period tent yet) from Midwest Tent. http://www.midwesttent.com/ >> Thanks for the link and info. These look like good solid tents, but how do they measure up when compared to the Panthers? Herr Wolfgang von Sachsenhausen ----------- I love mine! 15 X 15 square. Can be set up with two people. Made it to three Gulf Wars so far and numerous local events since 2004 ( maybe 10 times up). We bought it on ebay for something like $600 without poles. I did replace the grommets with brass ones. The first ones included had rusted and made little brown circles on the canvas. They are comparable to Panther with little adjustments like these. My ropes are sewn in and it has a decorative edge on the inside unlike any Panthers I have seen. See decorative edge here behind HRM Romanius: http://gallery.ikrell.com/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=34 Without walls mine is the one shown here: http://www.seawinds.org/images/Coronation%202005/slides/Coronation2004UlsteadII%20027.html With all the poles in, sides on, and all the ropes staked .. there is no dip. I absolutely love Baroness Jan's bell wedge. Big enough for most anything. Caley From: David Backlin Date: March 3, 2007 8:37:22 PM CST To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Opinions about tent I have personally dealt with Don Strinz Tipi http://www.strinztipi.com/ I found their prices to be reasonable and their service to be very good. When I bought my tent from them, they were very patient in answering all my "dumb questions". They often have used tents available as well. THL Edrei the Quiet (mka David Backlin) Merchant and Adventurer Shire of Smythkepe From: "Oakes, George" Date: September 24, 2008 2:01:32 PM CDT To: Subject: RE: [tri-temp] Period Tent Wanted !!! FSCutler sells good canvas wall tents, and so does Yakima tents. We just 
bought a custom Sunforger Canvas 10x12 wall tent w/5' walls, and a 10'
ridge with front and back doors for $450 delivered from Yaikima. 
Our tent came with ropes and toggles, we had to make the wall poles and 
ridge pole/s but that was easy, also purchased some good metal stakes
 and we had our maiden voyage with the tent at Fall Coronation. 
No problems!!!

 you can find them both on the inter web thingy....

 Gavin Kinkade
 Marcaster Hospitaller
(mka George Oakes) 
Barony of Marcaster
 Kingdom of Trimaris From: Roxanne Price Date: September 24, 2008 2:02:05 PM CDT To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Period Tent Wanted !!! This is where I got my pavilion. It was really inexpensive and has lasted me almost five yeas now. That includes time up at Pennsic and Gulf Wars. 
The company is called Midwest Tents. 
http://www.midwesttent.com/catalog/
 
Molly

 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:16:25 +0900 From: Annabella Subject: Re: [Lochac] Medieval pavilions To: "The Shambles, the SCA Lochac mailing list" <<< Are there any other Australian suppliers out there? We were going to get one from Panther Primitives but that was before the Australian dollar dived beyond affordability. >>> Check out Blue Draco from Queensland http://www.bluedraco.com.au Regards, Rosamond Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:37:14 +1100 From: "Glenda Robinson" Subject: Re: [Lochac] Medieval pavilions To: "'The Shambles, the SCA Lochac mailing list'" There's also Bojo Products http://www.frojel.com/members/bojo/index.htm and Yoretymes http://www.yoretymes.websyte.com.au/ In all my years I've never heard anything but good things about these two or Blue Draco's tents. Glenda. From: Miriam von Schwarzwald Date: June 30, 2010 2:10:42 PM CDT To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] Anyone selling a tent? I got my round pavilion from Midwest tent up in Omaha... inexpensive and durable. I really have put his stuff to the test. http://www.midwesttent.com/catalog Others use wall tents from Fall Creek. I hear those are good too. http://www.fcsutler.com/fccanvas.asp One of my friends might be selling her pavilion because it is too big for one person. It does not have detachable walls... although it has a detachable shade fly. It is a Panther Pavilion marquis 16x16 (not including shade fly area). Pretty good condition (it was up in my yard for the last month as she cleaned it.) She is out of town right now but she will probably see this next time she checks her email. Miriam On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Sarah Gutekunst wrote: <<< Greetings all, after Lilies with 1 large husband, 2 small children, and way too much stuff, the decision has been made in my household that a new larger tent is a must. I thought that I would check on the list to see if anyone was selling anything before purchasing new. We are looking for approx. 250 square feet, with removable walls being required. Other than that, we are open to shape configurations, but would probably most prefer a marquis. If anyone has anything for sale, please email me. Seraphina From: Catherine Kinsey Date: June 30, 2010 10:19:05 AM CDT To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] Anyone selling a tent? If you end up looking for new, this gentleman was at Lilies: http://www.welldressedtent.com/ He was in the Old Market and his tent stayed up through both the storms on Saturday :). Liriel oh, and no matter the tent, get good stakes ! >>> Sarah Gutekunst 6/30/2010 10:12 AM >>> Greetings all, after Lilies with 1 large husband, 2 small children, and way too much stuff, the decision has been made in my household that a new larger tent is a must. I thought that I would check on the list to see if anyone was selling anything before purchasing new. We are looking for approx. 250 square feet, with removable walls being required. Other than that, we are open to shape configurations, but would probably most prefer a marquis. If anyone has anything for sale, please email me. Seraphina From: Electric Wolf Date: June 30, 2010 11:26:58 AM CDT To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] Anyone selling a tent? I can second this one. I did not purchase my tent through him but I did buy poles and ropes from him. Despite this he bent over backward making sure I had everything I needed and was even nice enough to help me setup two tents. Him and his wife were great help, fun to talk to and willing to work around a variety of obstacles. Once I sell my old ones I will be buying from them again. On 6/30/10, Catherine Kinsey wrote: If you end up looking for new, this gentleman was at Lilies: http://www.welldressedtent.com/ He was in the Old Market and his tent stayed up through both the storms on Saturday :). Liriel oh, and no matter the tent, get good stakes ! From: Dave Calafrancesco Date: April 27, 2011 4:01:06 PM CDT To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." Subject: [Ansteorra] canvas shelter alternatives - was - Re: New 10x20 garage pavillions for $85 at Walmart Greetings Ansteorra, I've recently acquired a pair of 10x20 tarp/flys from MidWestTent.com for a very reasonable price of $81 for two colors. http://midwesttent.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=31 I used a 10'2x4 rough finish cedar and ripped it in half lengthwise on my bandsaw (or use a table saw or search through 2x2s or just use a pair of 2x4s) for the middle supports and chopped 3 12' long rough finish cedar 2x4s in half and then ripped them down and ended up with a fabulous day shade. The tarps in color are $81 plus shipping. They currently have one remaining white with a blemish for $60. http://midwesttent.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=30 I was extremely impressed with their quality and construction methods. I will not hesitate to purchase from them again in the future. Your total cost could be as low as about $100 for a canvas day shade that transports as a roll of canvas about 14" by 24" and a bundle of 8 tent poles strapped to a roof rack. The rough cedar is very lightweight and tends to be very straight grain. I've been using them exclusively for my tents since I found them when I first got to Ansteorra in 2007. With 3 ropes off the center uprights I can even set the entire thing up by myself, though it would be faster with two people. An alternative arrangement would be to use two 8' poles and 3 6' poles and stake the back wall directly to the ground. This provides a back wall windbreak as well as shade. I suppose always bringing the 8' poles would work fine and be the most flexible. I'll have them up at the Bjornsborg Althing this weekend (they will be the canvas tents used for some of the class locations one white and the other Ansteorra black and gold) if anyone wants to look at them before ordering. Haraldr Bassi, Bjornsborg From: Bree Flowers Date: April 28, 2011 8:50:59 AM CDT To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] canvas shelter alternatives - was - Re: New 10x20 garage pavillions for $85 at Walmart Sorry everyone, the white one is gone :) But there are still plenty left in colored options. And I too can vouch for the quality as I have been using one of their tents now for 4 or 5 years with no complaints. I use wall studs for my poles. Not the prettiest wood in the world, but generally pretty straight and killer-cheap. And no need to rip them to a narrower width. I also picked up some of their ropes with sliders kits. I really like how their rope feels. Probably not period (I'm pretty sure it's cotton), but easy on the hands. ~Eve On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Dave Calafrancesco wrote: <<< I've recently acquired a pair of 10x20 tarp/flys from MidWestTent.com for a very reasonable price of $81 for two colors. http://midwesttent.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=31 >>> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Marybeth Lavrakas To: Virginia Di Battista , Atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org Subject: Re: [MR] Question about Tentsmiths and Panther Primitives From: Virginia Di Battista : <<< Has anyone purchased canvas from TentSmiths and then the pole set-up from Panther? This was a suggestion that I received, but I'm worried about the measurements that Tent Smiths provide for their poles. How close are they? We're planning for a 14' x 14' center pole Marquee. Since Tentsmiths seam engineers all of their seams I would rather go with them. I know I can get a seam engineered tent from Panther, but it would actually cost more to get the entire package from them. Simona dell'Amore >>> Wait until you have the actual tent before ordering poles. Tentsmiths sent me walls that require 6 ft 3 inch poles (as I recall, in the order stage they tell you "about 6 feet...) What I did was buy the center pole from them, sleeved, and then made my own perimeter poles. I've owned tents from both vendors, btw, and I am a die hard Tentsmiths fan now. Kateryn Rous Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:09:59 -0400 From: Arthur Donadio To: , , Subject: Re: [MR] Question about Tentsmiths and Panther Primitives I put my Tentsmiths' round tent (15' at the eaves, 19' at the base) up on a friend's property for his son's birthday party last October. The tent was 9 years old at the time. I got busy and left it there until February. It was still standing and in good shape when I took it down. The stakes had a lot of rust from wintering in the ground but otherwise it was OK. I will send it back to Tenstsmiths this week just to make sure the ring is in good shape for Pennsic. Tentsmiths makes great tents. Arthur Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:49:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Marybeth Lavrakas To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org Subject: Re: [MR] Question about Tentsmiths and Panther Primitives I don't have anything quite as dramatic to explain why I love my Tentsmiths tent! But I feel the seams are better done, and I really like the way the walls clip on (though I believe Panther has updated their wall system from what I originally experienced). And to follow on the comment below, I have a friend with a round tent from Panther that is about 9 years old that had a catastrophic failure recently--canvas ripping, causing the whole thing to come down with poles breaking. Kateryn Rous From: Arthur Donadio <<< I put my Tentsmiths' round tent (15' at the eaves, 19' at the base) up on a friend's property for his son's birthday party last October. The tent was 9 years old at the time. I got busy and left it there until February. It was still standing and in good shape when I took it down. >>> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Wagner To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org Subject: Re: [MR] Question about Tentsmiths and Panther Primitives I have a Tentsmiths 13 x 19 oval marquee with 6' slanted walls that is available for sale. There isn't a set-up package at Panther that would work for you without modification. My wall poles, as mentioned by another, are 6'3" as opposed to 6' in the literature. The roof ridge set-up was exactly 12'. IMO, Panther has a good product at a good price and has earned a good reputation that is unmatched in their market. IMO, Tentsmiths has a superior product and has customers that are far more enthusiastic about the quality of their tents and service than those of panther, but are not as well known. Rodrigo Falcone Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:53:38 -0400 From: Janie Darby To: Virginia Di Battista Cc: Atlantia maillist , Stefan li Rous Subject: Re: [MR] Question about Tentsmiths and Panther Primitives Our Marquis is seam engineered and is from Panther. It's our second Panther, and we're totally satisfied. We asked for a roof vent, and they added it per our design. Briana Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:30:34 -0400 From: Joe S To: Virginia Di Battista Cc: Atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org Subject: Re: [MR] Question about Tentsmiths and Panther Primitives This may be reaching you a little late now, but I'm on my way back from Lilies war in Calontir and saw the prettiest tents I've ever seen made by one of the merchants there. His website is http://welldressedtent.com/ and it might be worth checking out if you're still in the market. -Gawin Kappler Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:14:53 -0800 (PST) From: House Drakkar Subject: Re: [Lochac] Medieval tent source help To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list" http://www.indiantents.com/ http://www.tentsofindia.com/ Ulric Johansson House Drakkar "Damnate gloriam, tradite pecuniam" MKA Jonathan Dean From: Lancer Eadaoin Date: April 14, 2012 7:44:36 AM CDT To: the-triskele-tavern at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: {TheTriskeleTavern} Looking for a new tent On Friday, April 13, 2012 3:48:10 AM UTC-4, Juan Garcia Lopez de Mauleon wrote: And this seems pretty cool too: http://armstreet.com/store/tents/medieval-tent-pavilion-with-floor-128-rnd-14hgh ========================== 
I actually own this tent in blue and white. The foot print with the guy lines only is very large about 40ft diameter. We modified it by putting 2"x2" poles at the guy points and looping the guys at the center for tie downs. This reduced the foot print from 40ft with just the guys to about 16 ft with the poles. The tent is fairly waterproof, there is occasionally a light mist inside the tent in very heavy rain. It holds up well in the wind either with the poles or just the guys and center pole. I have had the tent for almost 5 years, it is durable, lightweight and 2 of us can put it up in less than 15 minutes, even with the poles. Not bad for a period style pavilion. Eadaoin Edited by Mark S. Harris tent-sources-msg Page 41 of 41